FabSwingers.com forum: Unpaid overtime ... commitment or taking the piss?

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Businesses don't work for nothing, so why do they expect their workforce to work for nothing?

I was told when I started my new job, that I would not get paid for overtime, so I told them, "Fine, I'm ok with that, I don't intend to do any"

They still gave me the job, but now they are expecting me to be available or contactable out of hours.

Surely it's my choice whether I answer my phone or not.

I show my commitment by the quantity and quality of my work that I do while I am there, and not by home much time I'm sat at my desk.

Oh, well, fuck 'em, looks like I'll be out of work again soon.

I'm not being bullied into working for nothing

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I should add that I'm expected to go to work out of hours to attend to customers. The company charges "out of hrs, or emergency costs" but don't pass any of it on to us.

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By *lam rockerMan
over a year ago

Tain

is your mobile a company one? Depsite offers, I have always refused a work mobile and choose to answer my own one. Out of hours, I rarely answer an obvious work call.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Taking the piss,should get an on call allowance.

I used to get £100 a week every 3rd week.

Now I do flexible hours salary paid,much better

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

check out the fine print in your contract regarding working hours and overtime.a lot of companies have always expected people to work overtime at certain times ie stock taking and the like,things that cannot easily be done during normal hours,but ive never known one not to pay.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"is your mobile a company one? Depsite offers, I have always refused a work mobile and choose to answer my own one. Out of hours, I rarely answer an obvious work call."

It's my own phone, although they do want me to have a company phone.

It's a 30 mile round trip from my home to work and back, I don't have a company vehicle and I can't claim expenses.

lol, at least Dick Turpin had the decency to wear a mask

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By *ucsparkMan
over a year ago

dudley

I have spent a good portion of my working life being a boss of one kind or another. I would never dream of asking anyone to do call out without payment. Me personally thinks they are taking the piss

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There public liability insurance could be on a sticky wicket, your 'working' but not been paid but your not a customer, so what would happen if you had an accident at work while unpaid?

Companies will be using these 'hard time's as an excuse to fleece staff with the threat of plenty on the dole who would love your job.

I'm lucky in so much as there is plenty of work but not enough decent enginneers to do it at the moment, so its very much the staff that can choose.

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By *ittle miss cock suckerWoman
over a year ago

Blackpool

the only people that work for nothing is a wife and mother

been a cook cleaner nurse child care

need i say more lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I often work past my normal finish time and sometimes start earlier and dont get paid for it as i see that as part of my job but i wouldnt go back to work after i have left or go in on my days off for nothing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"the only people that work for nothing is a wife and mother

been a cook cleaner nurse child care

need i say more lol

Sorry but we dont work for nothing, unconditional love is worth more than any pay check

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By *adja_lazloCouple
over a year ago

Solihull

should be in your contract, contracted hours etc.

or human rights act "the right to privacy and family life"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I recently had a new contract where someone tried to slide that one by me and told them I wans't doing unpaid overtime, and any overtime requested was only going to be by mutual agreement.

They agreed.

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By *ittle miss cock suckerWoman
over a year ago

Blackpool

i agree with you on that best uppaid job ever

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Think they're taking the piss, unless they're really only just managing to stay afloat, and it's their only chance of not collapsing, and thus helping to preserve your job.

It should be a last ditch thing, and not enshrined into permanent policy or company style. The British already have some of the longest working hours, and probably some of the least amount of overtime paid, as we're all giving so much of it free of any recompense.

I don't mind if an employer wants to negotiate with me, but it needs to be just that - and certainly no less - it has to be a two way discussion, my needs and wants have to be acknowledged, as well as an employer, who is in an unfair position of power. Where there is respect, and greater equality of power instilled by management and where there is fairness, most people are more inclined to see this as decent and be willing to be open to greater flexibility. We don't like one way streets, all take and no give and sheer greed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I should add that I'm expected to go to work out of hours to attend to customers. The company charges "out of hrs, or emergency costs" but don't pass any of it on to us."

if you dont have a company car and are exected to visit business customers out of hours, then you will potentially be using your car for business use... which if you are under a "social/domestic/pleasure" restriction on your car insurance could put you in a bit of bother if you had an accident....

... if they are expecting you to work out of hours they should at least cover any extra costs you have to incur to keep you (and others) safe.

stick to your guns and don't do it for free.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"the only people that work for nothing is a wife and mother

been a cook cleaner nurse child care

need i say more lol

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland

I am with you 100% on that jackate1 the second my I stop being paid is the same second I stop working.

Interestingly someone above touched on the fact that when you are officialy off the clock then the companies insurance liability ends.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If its in your contract... Do it or leave.

If it isnt, dont do it and if they harass you into leaving, screw them for "Constructive Dismissal"

By law an employee must have a minimum rest period between shifts. 11 hours sounds right, but I may be wrong.

My boss tried it on with our section and was unanimously sent to hell in a handcart...;-)

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"If its in your contract... Do it or leave.

If it isnt, dont do it and if they harass you into leaving, screw them for "Constructive Dismissal"

By law an employee must have a minimum rest period between shifts. 11 hours sounds right, but I may be wrong.

My boss tried it on with our section and was unanimously sent to hell in a handcart...;-)"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I should add that I'm expected to go to work out of hours to attend to customers. The company charges "out of hrs, or emergency costs" but don't pass any of it on to us."

Tell them you want a piece of the action or you're off. It's not right that they gain by your labour and you don't. The company also gains in reputation for providing staff whenever a client needs them. Sod that malarky.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm with everyone else, sounds like they are totally taking the piss.

Personally I work short lunches and 2 or 3 nights a week I work between 30 or 40 minutes over. Conversely I never get criticised for being late (which is very common) and have certain flexibility and goodwill which more than compensates.

Oh I have to be on call for major incidents, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year but as there have only been 2 in 15 years that is hardly signing my life away

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Businesses don't work for nothing, so why do they expect their workforce to work for nothing?

I was told when I started my new job, that I would not get paid for overtime, so I told them, "Fine, I'm ok with that, I don't intend to do any"

They still gave me the job, but now they are expecting me to be available or contactable out of hours.

Surely it's my choice whether I answer my phone or not.

I show my commitment by the quantity and quality of my work that I do while I am there, and not by home much time I'm sat at my desk.

Oh, well, fuck 'em, looks like I'll be out of work again soon.

I'm not being bullied into working for nothing "

Read your contract to see what you agreed to and signed to say you would. If you are legally obliged to work unpaid then it is more than likely a managerial position and you have to make decisions if you are going to do all they ask, some of that they ask or none. In the mean time actively look for other employment.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have never worked in a job that paid me overtime ever since I started to work full time.

I had done some silly hours in the past in the hope I would get a good appraisal.

After some life-changing events, I am wiser, and no longer do as much OT than I once did, as I would like some quality time to myself and the pets etc...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Also, check to see if you opted out of the working time directive, if you have they can pretty much call on you whenever but I'm not sure where it stands regards to unpaid work.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I recently left my job after i was told to do extra work but wouldnt be paid for any of it.

Seems that some bosses these days take the micky saying there are plenty more people to do the job instead of me, no problem take another year and a half to train someone to do my job to the same standard extra insurance premiums and payments for any certificates needed !

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By *adchickCouple
over a year ago

Cyprus

I regularly do unpaid extra hours and don't get paid for it.

But then I work for the government within a department that makes no money.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There will be nothing in a contract that says you have to work unpaid overtime, it may state you have to do compulsory overtime under a certain set of conditions but it will always be paid. I think they are trying to have there cake and eat it there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There will be nothing in a contract that says you have to work unpaid overtime, it may state you have to do compulsory overtime under a certain set of conditions but it will always be paid. I think they are trying to have there cake and eat it there."

My contract does! At times i have to do up to 21 days of 12 hour shifts which can stretch to 15 hours if pushed an zero overtime. Have to do it no choice or walk away.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well for a start its breaking the working time directive! and no they cant demand you work unpaid, if you walked because they harassed you for not doing unpaid extra you could take them to a tribunal for unfair dismissal. If it wasn't for the fact you could walk away forcing someone to work for no pay is only a little way above being a slave or indentured servant.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well for a start its breaking the working time directive! and no they cant demand you work unpaid, if you walked because they harassed you for not doing unpaid extra you could take them to a tribunal for unfair dismissal. If it wasn't for the fact you could walk away forcing someone to work for no pay is only a little way above being a slave or indentured servant."

They can and if i don't i won't get paid!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They can and if i don't i won't get paid! "

If you average more than 48hours a week over 17 weeks you can refuse to do any extra and there is nothing they can do. The overtime must not take your average hourly rate below the national minimum wage and if you are paid hourly rather than salaried then you are entitled to overtime pay.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't get paid overtime due to being on salary, but I do get paid If i'm off sick and in fairness, only get aske to work over for the likes of stocktake and recently to help with moving premises.

The thing that pissed me off a couple of years ago was when they casualy told us we had to work an extra 15 minutes every night.. that got them one extra week a year from each of 8 members of staff for no extra money

oh and at the same time stopped all bonuses... now that was taking the piss

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By *fun.4.youMan
over a year ago

London

"Businesses don't work for nothing, so why do they expect their workforce to work for nothing?

I was told when I started my new job, that I would not get paid for overtime, so I told them, "Fine, I'm ok with that, I don't intend to do any"

They still gave me the job, but now they are expecting me to be available or contactable out of hours.

Surely it's my choice whether I answer my phone or not.

I show my commitment by the quantity and quality of my work that I do while I am there, and not by home much time I'm sat at my desk.

Oh, well, fuck 'em, looks like I'll be out of work again soon.

I'm not being bullied into working for nothing "

If you don't like it - then quit, start your own company, and become the boss.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

tend to agree with the majority..

its a piss take..

ask the 'top table' where they are on the unpaid, antisocial hours call out?

all in this together etc..

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By *ovedupstillCouple
over a year ago

mullinwire

If you don't like it - then quit, start your own company, and become the boss. "

have you tried starting a business?

wouldnt lead to shorter hours i guarantee that!

they reckon a million hours of free overtime is done in this country every year, says a lot about what we accept really. im paid hourly so get paid for every minute i am in work.

we have to have at least 9 hours between shifts, so maybe use that to your advantage??

contracts usualy state that acceptable OT is required, but unwritten thats usually 10% of your working week, over 38/40 hours, agai, dependant on what your contracted to. if its 40 hours, then they can expect 4 hours off you every week extra, BUT, iagree wit others. if they epect you to go in tel them you will require your expenses covered as its costing you too much to go into work, and have had to change your insurance to business etc... see what you can get out of them.

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By *ovedupstillCouple
over a year ago

mullinwire

"tend to agree with the majority..

its a piss take..

ask the 'top table' where they are on the unpaid, antisocial hours call out?

all in this together etc.."

you ted to find that the top table will be there at all hours, when the shit hits the fan.

i know our boss has been organising things for the past 2 weeks, while sat on a beach in portugal with his wife and kids...

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"tend to agree with the majority..

its a piss take..

ask the 'top table' where they are on the unpaid, antisocial hours call out?

all in this together etc..

you ted to find that the top table will be there at all hours, when the shit hits the fan.

i know our boss has been organising things for the past 2 weeks, while sat on a beach in portugal with his wife and kids..."

am aware personally that being 'a boss/manager' does require extra commitment, hours etc..

when the shit is hitting the fan its should be an all hands approach, so if the company is going under 'everyone' takes a pay cut or works extra etc..

but jacks case just looks like a piss take on the info provided..

look at the pay differentials between 'CEO/ MD's' and 'shop floor' within public and private sector

over the last cpl of decades..

its massively out of proportion taking into consideration any increases in profit or productivity..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

With management responsiblity - and enhanced pay - comes the duty to go the extra mile, above and beyond what an ordinary employee is expected to do, when the company needs people to do a little bit more. I don't have a problem with execs earning huge salaries if they do the work to get it but to ask employees to do more for no extra pay is scandalous.

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By *ovedupstillCouple
over a year ago

mullinwire

"am aware personally that being 'a boss/manager' does require extra commitment, hours etc..

when the shit is hitting the fan its should be an all hands approach, so if the company is going under 'everyone' takes a pay cut or works extra etc..

but jacks case just looks like a piss take on the info provided..

look at the pay differentials between 'CEO/ MD's' and 'shop floor' within public and private sector

over the last cpl of decades..

its massively out of proportion taking into consideration any increases in profit or productivity..

absolutely agree with you on that point, about remuneration, but dont forget, any decision YOU make, affects how you do YOUR job. and decision an MD/CEO takes, affects the way EVERYONE can do their job, or not.

lets face it, if your business was struggling, would you coplain about the wage the big boss was getting if he saved your job? not at all, and you can almost guarantee they wouldnt be doing 40 hours or not being on call.

i usually work more than 60 hours a week (this has been a quiet one with only 53) but our company is not making money, and we all need to do our bit to ensure it gets there (and yes, i have done OT unpaid ON TOP of that 60+ hours)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When the shit hits the fan, occasionally, of course its all hands on deck...;-)

But constant problems is just very poor management...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can't imagine working for nothing while my company was still making money.

If I had to go to a meeting now overtime would start the second I closed my front door and stop when I returned.

Therefore definitely a piss take.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The bottom line is if a company cannot operate without absorbing the full cost of being in business then it shouldn't be in business. It should never be reliant upon it's workforce working for no pay or no pay rises and I view any company that operates in this way as greedy and manipulative.

However, having said that, if a company is has a good business model but is experiencing difficulty in times of hardship and makes an offer to it's employees to work additional hours for no pay but it will make good those hours - either in extra holidays or bonuses later - then I see that as acceptable, so long as it's documented that such an agreement exists.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

well i am paid for a 36 hour week but do more like between 50-60 hours.

its kind of expected for the post i hold lol.

looking forward to my gold plated pension though lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"well i am paid for a 36 hour week but do more like between 50-60 hours.

its kind of expected for the post i hold lol.

looking forward to my gold plated pension though lol"

Are you salaried or hourly paid?

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By *ikeC81Man
over a year ago

harrow

This is a topical issue for me...

I have been told I have to show commitment Nd work longer hrs.....

My contacted hrs are 9 to 5.30 Nd expected to stay to work is done without no overtime pay.

I normally come in at 8.30 and stay till 5.30. It got suggested to me that I do not show enough commitment. I kindly informed the manager in question I have been working unpaid overtime for last 6 months and not moaned once.....

At quarter end I have worked late and got in earlier to support running of the team, and that is al with no direct line manager.

Apparently I am taking the piss going on time. I turned round and said I like my work life balance and if others are working late then that is there fault my team goes when our work is done.

It doesn't help managers are deliberately giving more work todo knowing that we have to stay late to finesh. I worked out I am paid 2k a year less gross because of the overtime I do unpaid.......

Let's say I am in process of looking for new job ad telling them to stick current one up there bum

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By *ikeC81Man
over a year ago

harrow

"well i am paid for a 36 hour week but do more like between 50-60 hours.

its kind of expected for the post i hold lol.

looking forward to my gold plated pension though lol

Are you salaried or hourly paid?"

This is problem It should not be expected

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The bottom line is if a company cannot operate without absorbing the full cost of being in business then it shouldn't be in business. It should never be reliant upon it's workforce working for no pay or no pay rises and I view any company that operates in this way as greedy and manipulative.

Agree. Post 9/11 the CAA really, and I mean really struggled. Our members in aviation worked liked Trojans to keep the business afloat. Everyone knew the situation, aviation worldwide was in a bad way, so everyone pulled together.

Having a business, charging customers for call outs but not paying the operatives...unscrupulous.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I start at my starting time and finish at my finishing time and that's it. My employers give nothing, and I mean literally nothing other than the minimum that they are legally obliged to give to their employees, so that is exactly what they get in return from me - the minimum that I'm required to give.

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By *ikeC81Man
over a year ago

harrow

Just read this....for me...I know the role inside out...and to trian someone to do my job would take them a year including recruiting....

I am on a one months notice.....they have not got any contingency plans if I decide to leave....they know I am looking internally, but don't know I am looking externally yet....

Tbh last year my father nearly died so I want the correct work life blanche...which means I will work quarter end and month end but at no other time....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it is disgusting that greedy employers do this. I once worked for a couple that owned a tearooms, I took home £200 a week exactly, then when I received a tax rebate, they reduced my wage so that I still only took home £200. Then when I took legal action to recover my normal wage PLUS my tax rebate, they made me redundant...I don't know how they sleep at night to be honest !!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it is disgusting that greedy employers do this. I once worked for a couple that owned a tearooms, I took home £200 a week exactly, then when I received a tax rebate, they reduced my wage so that I still only took home £200. Then when I took legal action to recover my normal wage PLUS my tax rebate, they made me redundant...I don't know how they sleep at night to be honest !!!!

just for the record...I did get my full wage PLUS my tax rebate just before I took it to a solicitor,,funny that !, as they claimed they had no idea they were breaking the law..x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Businesses don't work for nothing, so why do they expect their workforce to work for nothing?

I was told when I started my new job, that I would not get paid for overtime, so I told them, "Fine, I'm ok with that, I don't intend to do any"

They still gave me the job, but now they are expecting me to be available or contactable out of hours.

Surely it's my choice whether I answer my phone or not.

I show my commitment by the quantity and quality of my work that I do while I am there, and not by home much time I'm sat at my desk.

Oh, well, fuck 'em, looks like I'll be out of work again soon.

I'm not being bullied into working for nothing "

good for you, stick to your guns mate. xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"the only people that work for nothing is a wife and mother

been a cook cleaner nurse child care

need i say more lol

But this notion needs putting right. A homecarer (man or woman) supports a partner working and therefore should share the partner's benefits.

It drives me mad when I overhear a partner (usually a man) saying "I bought my wife a car." when they could just as easily say "We bought a new car!"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some people take risks to establish businesses and risk life savings and more to make it work. There are few businesses around at the moment that are not feeling the pinch and charging extra for the call out may be a lifeline in the current climate.

I work for myself and one I employed people, but not anymore. The lesson I learned was that no employee gave a shit about the risks I had took to set up that business, create employment and create production for UK plc. I quickly realised that employing people with the right attitude was far more beneficial than employing people with the best aptitude. I didn't go bust but I down sized and now work from home. I will never try to expand and employ people again - too many attitudes like you see on this thread. Believe me guys - there is no god given right to work - you have to fight for it and you have to want it. Why do you think virtually all industrial production in this country either became very hi tech or moved East? Generally speaking, the workforce, like the country is fat with complacency and the looming worldwide economic crisis (the BIG ONE) will make the last five years feel like a garden party and work will be a very scarce commodity.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think you'll find that most people on here are not asking for more than what they're entitled to. They just want to be paid for what they do and if the company benefits from their endeavour then so should they.

I work for Wishy PLC. Wishy PLC provides for my family, puts food in their mouths, clothes on their backs and a roof over their heads. My obligation is to ensure that I - as an employee of Wishy PLC - is paid the going rate for any work I do because if I don't I'll be taking food out of my own children's mouths.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i work for a company when a certain amount of overtime is expected as stated in the contact.

if we go over a certain amount over overtime we will get paid for it but it still takes the piss

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i work for a company when a certain amount of overtime is expected as stated in the contact.

if we go over a certain amount over overtime we will get paid for it but it still takes the piss"

Was that in your contract when you signed it? To be clear, you knew when you started the job that that was the case? It's different if it was introduced after you started in which case it was a breach of your contract and you should have refused to sign a new contract. You'd have had a constructive dismissal case to pursue but you would have still had a choice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Some people take risks to establish businesses and risk life savings and more to make it work. There are few businesses around at the moment that are not feeling the pinch and charging extra for the call out may be a lifeline in the current climate.

The difference is that when the company booms and makes a profit you feel the benefit that is why you work so hard in setting up your own company and make sacrifices. The people you employ, to them its a job. They come in they do there job get there wages and go home to there partner, kids and friends. That you could not motivate them to do a little extra or set up a remuneration scheme or share scheme that would give them extra pay and benefits if the company made a larger profit is down to your failure to motivate them. You cant blame them for looking out for themselves it is what you were doing. No there is no god given right to work but you have no god given right to profit of the backs of others.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

I don't get paid overtime.. I can take it off for example I am owed 12 hours of over time for the last week.. I will just take it off when I fancy a day off.. I don't stress about it

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Well said excession - I've worked for charities, small businesses, huge global enterprises and been self-employed. Employees are always taking on some risk, whoever they're with, it's not just capital investment bodies or personal investors taking risks, employees do: they potentially risk their livelihoods, even after retirement age, as well as risking subsequent employment potential, if they work for a dud outfit, or someone within it who's got a vendetta against them, and so doesn't give them suitable references etc.

Sadly, the excessive greed - growing with phenomenal velocity - of the very wealthy speaks volumes about their respect for the majority; many of this suspect bunch employ people, and have seen their obscene wealth sky rocket upwards, even during the recession. This meanwhile, as the majority of the population are becoming relatively poorer. It could be argued that employees generally deserve far more than they get, whilst such obscenely huge sums of money are made off of their backs, their hard graft, their enormous levels of commitment to the many who view them as little better than slaves to be abused for every penny that can be squeezed from their hard labours.

Where employees are respected, allowed to share in profits, to an appropriate extent, then this provides a strong foundation for ethical business practice. John Lewis has been a shining example, where its employees are partners, and it's sad that so few businesses are operated in this way.

The poster who started this thread, didn't reveal the specific employer, but if they are trading very profitably, and as they are charging customers very handsomely for call outs etc, it would seem very reasonable to pay for overtime, rather than imposing a draconian and selfish expectation that employees should give as much as their employer expects. People in the UK already have some of the longest working hours in Europe, and family life suffers, where deprived of time together etc, as well as appropriate remuneration.

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By *rbigmisshornyCouple
over a year ago

Livingston

company would be liable to a claim if it is shown they used pressure to get the employee to work when the were not happy. (duress) PRIVATE ACTION AGAINST THE COMPANY WOULD VERY LIKELY BE UPHELD.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

For the record, I am happy to work overtime if I am required to do so, but I'm not going to do it for nothing.

Our company don't to freebies, so I'm not going to either

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Get a copy of your contract and also check out the ACAS website for legal info about your situation.

Have a look at your works website and see the terms and conditions of their policy on there.

We did this with one of Mrs Artful's workplaces and tied them in knots with their own terms and conditions/policies.

Good luck.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They can and if i don't i won't get paid!

Not Ideal but i get paid well for the time i work so its double edged sword. Work like a dog for 3 weeks but get paid equivalent most get in 4 months so no win and have to do it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Businesses don't work for nothing, so why do they expect their workforce to work for nothing?

I was told when I started my new job, that I would not get paid for overtime, so I told them, "Fine, I'm ok with that, I don't intend to do any"

They still gave me the job, but now they are expecting me to be available or contactable out of hours.

Surely it's my choice whether I answer my phone or not.

I show my commitment by the quantity and quality of my work that I do while I am there, and not by home much time I'm sat at my desk.

Oh, well, fuck 'em, looks like I'll be out of work again soon.

I'm not being bullied into working for nothing "

fk that dude.I work to live not live to work....in the current climate some bosses think they can take the piss....wouldnae be me I just tell em t get fucked cos I don't have a gold plated straw for ass sooking

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By *adgeeMan
over a year ago

Sw Scotland

Our company don't to freebies, so I'm not going to either

There you have it! I totally agree, i grudge doing overtime for flat rate (single time) nevermind for nowt out the goodness of yer heart!

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By *he Happy ManMan
over a year ago

Merseyside

"Businesses don't work for nothing, so why do they expect their workforce to work for nothing?

I was told when I started my new job, that I would not get paid for overtime, so I told them, "Fine, I'm ok with that, I don't intend to do any"

They still gave me the job, but now they are expecting me to be available or contactable out of hours.

Surely it's my choice whether I answer my phone or not.

I show my commitment by the quantity and quality of my work that I do while I am there, and not by home much time I'm sat at my desk.

Oh, well, fuck 'em, looks like I'll be out of work again soon.

I'm not being bullied into working for nothing "

I agree. I work to be paid money. I never have and never will work for free. You want me to do overtime then pay me.

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