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"As cum is given freely and with consent it is definitely vegan friendly. Products derived from animals are not given freely and with consent and are used by humans without the choice of the animal. " Are you speaking for the animals without their consent? How do you know they don't desire to be eaten or give milk? | |||
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"As cum is given freely and with consent it is definitely vegan friendly. Products derived from animals are not given freely and with consent and are used by humans without the choice of the animal. Are you speaking for the animals without their consent? How do you know they don't desire to be eaten or give milk? " Generally (speaking in the human realm) consent needs to be affirmatively acquired, and the default is that consent is not given, especially when it's not judged that a person is capable of giving it. | |||
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"As cum is given freely and with consent it is definitely vegan friendly. Products derived from animals are not given freely and with consent and are used by humans without the choice of the animal. Are you speaking for the animals without their consent? How do you know they don't desire to be eaten or give milk? Generally (speaking in the human realm) consent needs to be affirmatively acquired, and the default is that consent is not given, especially when it's not judged that a person is capable of giving it. " That's not true. It depends on whether we believe the action requires consent or not. For example, many people do not consent to certain laws but they are punished for breaking them anyway without their consent. Kids are stuck with needles without their consent. We deem these non-consentual actions necessary for the benefit of humanity, same with eating animals. | |||
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"As cum is given freely and with consent it is definitely vegan friendly. Products derived from animals are not given freely and with consent and are used by humans without the choice of the animal. Are you speaking for the animals without their consent? How do you know they don't desire to be eaten or give milk? Generally (speaking in the human realm) consent needs to be affirmatively acquired, and the default is that consent is not given, especially when it's not judged that a person is capable of giving it. That's not true. It depends on whether we believe the action requires consent or not. For example, many people do not consent to certain laws but they are punished for breaking them anyway without their consent. Kids are stuck with needles without their consent. We deem these non-consentual actions necessary for the benefit of humanity, same with eating animals. " Consent is assumed in the former case and formally given to guardians in the latter. I'm an omnivore, but a bad argument is a bad argument. | |||
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"As cum is given freely and with consent it is definitely vegan friendly. Products derived from animals are not given freely and with consent and are used by humans without the choice of the animal. Are you speaking for the animals without their consent? How do you know they don't desire to be eaten or give milk? Generally (speaking in the human realm) consent needs to be affirmatively acquired, and the default is that consent is not given, especially when it's not judged that a person is capable of giving it. That's not true. It depends on whether we believe the action requires consent or not. For example, many people do not consent to certain laws but they are punished for breaking them anyway without their consent. Kids are stuck with needles without their consent. We deem these non-consentual actions necessary for the benefit of humanity, same with eating animals. Consent is assumed in the former case and formally given to guardians in the latter. I'm an omnivore, but a bad argument is a bad argument. " Can you elaborate? Why is consent 'assumed' for criminals? And why is giving consent over to parents ok? And if that is the case, why do animals need to give consent if not even children can give consent? Let's tease this out a little... because I think the bad argument began once the consent of animals was brought up. It's nonsensical. Do animals consent to be eaten by other animals? So why do we need consent? Please advise. | |||
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"As cum is given freely and with consent it is definitely vegan friendly. Products derived from animals are not given freely and with consent and are used by humans without the choice of the animal. Are you speaking for the animals without their consent? How do you know they don't desire to be eaten or give milk? Generally (speaking in the human realm) consent needs to be affirmatively acquired, and the default is that consent is not given, especially when it's not judged that a person is capable of giving it. That's not true. It depends on whether we believe the action requires consent or not. For example, many people do not consent to certain laws but they are punished for breaking them anyway without their consent. Kids are stuck with needles without their consent. We deem these non-consentual actions necessary for the benefit of humanity, same with eating animals. Consent is assumed in the former case and formally given to guardians in the latter. I'm an omnivore, but a bad argument is a bad argument. Can you elaborate? Why is consent 'assumed' for criminals? And why is giving consent over to parents ok? And if that is the case, why do animals need to give consent if not even children can give consent? Let's tease this out a little... because I think the bad argument began once the consent of animals was brought up. It's nonsensical. Do animals consent to be eaten by other animals? So why do we need consent? Please advise. " Off the top of my head, the idea is that everyone is assumed to consent to the legal regime in the jurisdiction in which they reside. I think the idea might have its roots in The Leviathan, but I might be mistaken. It's a well established notion regardless. At law parents are held to consent on behalf of their children up to a certain age depending on the circumstances or the child's capacity (this can be revoked). For many reasons, among which asking a baby if they give informed consent to, say, surgery, is nonsense on stilts. The parallels are difficult and ffs I just had a beef burger so it's hardly my argument, but in this specific instance, the argument a vegan is most likely to make is that it is clear that the person consents to giving cum (breast milk is the other example). Consent to being killed is also not generally considered acceptable. | |||
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"As cum is given freely and with consent it is definitely vegan friendly. Products derived from animals are not given freely and with consent and are used by humans without the choice of the animal. " How do we know they aren’t given freely? Perhaps cows want to be steak? | |||
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"As cum is given freely and with consent it is definitely vegan friendly. Products derived from animals are not given freely and with consent and are used by humans without the choice of the animal. Are you speaking for the animals without their consent? How do you know they don't desire to be eaten or give milk? Generally (speaking in the human realm) consent needs to be affirmatively acquired, and the default is that consent is not given, especially when it's not judged that a person is capable of giving it. That's not true. It depends on whether we believe the action requires consent or not. For example, many people do not consent to certain laws but they are punished for breaking them anyway without their consent. Kids are stuck with needles without their consent. We deem these non-consentual actions necessary for the benefit of humanity, same with eating animals. " I'd dispute that eating animals is "for the benefit of humanity;, when livestock farming is one of the the main causes of global warming/climate change. | |||
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" I'd dispute that eating animals is "for the benefit of humanity;, when livestock farming is one of the the main causes of global warming/climate change. " Science based on alchemy... Utter nonsense | |||
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"As cum is given freely and with consent it is definitely vegan friendly. Products derived from animals are not given freely and with consent and are used by humans without the choice of the animal. How do we know they aren’t given freely? Perhaps cows want to be steak? " You’ve clearly never visited an abattoir and seen the fear in the animals waiting to be slaughtered . No animal wants to die . | |||
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"If animals roamed free there wouldn’t be the huge volumes of farmed animals that we currently see . This is the problem . Meat consumption is a massive drain on the planet and it’s resources . And that’s not bonkers science , it’s a fact ." Deer roam free here and outnumber all other animals.. Set farm animals free and they will multiply.. bonkers science | |||
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"If animals roamed free there wouldn’t be the huge volumes of farmed animals that we currently see . This is the problem . Meat consumption is a massive drain on the planet and it’s resources . And that’s not bonkers science , it’s a fact . Deer roam free here and outnumber all other animals.. Set farm animals free and they will multiply.. bonkers science" 900 million farm animals 2 million deer | |||
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"As cum is given freely and with consent it is definitely vegan friendly. Products derived from animals are not given freely and with consent and are used by humans without the choice of the animal. Are you speaking for the animals without their consent? How do you know they don't desire to be eaten or give milk? Generally (speaking in the human realm) consent needs to be affirmatively acquired, and the default is that consent is not given, especially when it's not judged that a person is capable of giving it. That's not true. It depends on whether we believe the action requires consent or not. For example, many people do not consent to certain laws but they are punished for breaking them anyway without their consent. Kids are stuck with needles without their consent. We deem these non-consentual actions necessary for the benefit of humanity, same with eating animals. I'd dispute that eating animals is "for the benefit of humanity;, when livestock farming is one of the the main causes of global warming/climate change. " Humans need to eat meat to get all the proteins needed in there diet. A vegan diet has incomplete proteins and will not give a human everything they need without pharmaceutical supplements which are nowhere near as good as getting them from food | |||
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"As cum is given freely and with consent it is definitely vegan friendly. Products derived from animals are not given freely and with consent and are used by humans without the choice of the animal. Are you speaking for the animals without their consent? How do you know they don't desire to be eaten or give milk? Generally (speaking in the human realm) consent needs to be affirmatively acquired, and the default is that consent is not given, especially when it's not judged that a person is capable of giving it. That's not true. It depends on whether we believe the action requires consent or not. For example, many people do not consent to certain laws but they are punished for breaking them anyway without their consent. Kids are stuck with needles without their consent. We deem these non-consentual actions necessary for the benefit of humanity, same with eating animals. I'd dispute that eating animals is "for the benefit of humanity;, when livestock farming is one of the the main causes of global warming/climate change. Humans need to eat meat to get all the proteins needed in there diet. A vegan diet has incomplete proteins and will not give a human everything they need without pharmaceutical supplements which are nowhere near as good as getting them from food" But they still get them, so no real need as such. | |||
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"As cum is given freely and with consent it is definitely vegan friendly. Products derived from animals are not given freely and with consent and are used by humans without the choice of the animal. Are you speaking for the animals without their consent? How do you know they don't desire to be eaten or give milk? Generally (speaking in the human realm) consent needs to be affirmatively acquired, and the default is that consent is not given, especially when it's not judged that a person is capable of giving it. That's not true. It depends on whether we believe the action requires consent or not. For example, many people do not consent to certain laws but they are punished for breaking them anyway without their consent. Kids are stuck with needles without their consent. We deem these non-consentual actions necessary for the benefit of humanity, same with eating animals. I'd dispute that eating animals is "for the benefit of humanity;, when livestock farming is one of the the main causes of global warming/climate change. Humans need to eat meat to get all the proteins needed in there diet. A vegan diet has incomplete proteins and will not give a human everything they need without pharmaceutical supplements which are nowhere near as good as getting them from food But they still get them, so no real need as such. " Well no your not getting them as they should be. Synthetic versions are no where near as good. Our body's and even our teeth have evolved to eat meat. Not eating meat is just going against want your body has spent millennia evolving too. So yes there is plenty of need | |||
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"A girl I work with is Vegan, and she cites cruelty as the reason. She goes as far as buying vegan friendly shoes/clothes which is great hats off to her. Not sure about this consent thing tbf, cruelty would be a much more viable reason imho. So what if an animal has died of natural causes? On the basis of consent then could it still be eaten by a vegan surely? And imagine the economical state if we had no farming! Crikey, by solving one crisis you're causing another" What do we do with all the farm animals aswell? Just let them loose? No one is going to want to look after them if theres nothing in it for them | |||
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"A girl I work with is Vegan, and she cites cruelty as the reason. She goes as far as buying vegan friendly shoes/clothes which is great hats off to her. Not sure about this consent thing tbf, cruelty would be a much more viable reason imho. So what if an animal has died of natural causes? On the basis of consent then could it still be eaten by a vegan surely? And imagine the economical state if we had no farming! Crikey, by solving one crisis you're causing another What do we do with all the farm animals aswell? Just let them loose? No one is going to want to look after them if theres nothing in it for them" Exactly this, and is it humane to free them from all they've known? Better to made use of than 'controlled' in the wild. | |||
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"As cum is given freely and with consent it is definitely vegan friendly. Products derived from animals are not given freely and with consent and are used by humans without the choice of the animal. Are you speaking for the animals without their consent? How do you know they don't desire to be eaten or give milk? Generally (speaking in the human realm) consent needs to be affirmatively acquired, and the default is that consent is not given, especially when it's not judged that a person is capable of giving it. That's not true. It depends on whether we believe the action requires consent or not. For example, many people do not consent to certain laws but they are punished for breaking them anyway without their consent. Kids are stuck with needles without their consent. We deem these non-consentual actions necessary for the benefit of humanity, same with eating animals. I'd dispute that eating animals is "for the benefit of humanity;, when livestock farming is one of the the main causes of global warming/climate change. Humans need to eat meat to get all the proteins needed in there diet. A vegan diet has incomplete proteins and will not give a human everything they need without pharmaceutical supplements which are nowhere near as good as getting them from food But they still get them, so no real need as such. Well no your not getting them as they should be. Synthetic versions are no where near as good. Our body's and even our teeth have evolved to eat meat. Not eating meat is just going against want your body has spent millennia evolving too. So yes there is plenty of need" Not at all. There are plenty of cultures that have survived pretty much as vegetarians. Meat could be classed as a luxury for a huge percentage of humans on the earth. | |||
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" Not eating meat is just going against want your body has spent millennia evolving too. So yes there is plenty of need" Dieticians disagree with you. You have to plan a vegan diet carefully, but you can get everything you need. The scientific evidence and advice is not that vegetarianism/veganism is bad for you - the opposite, if anything. | |||
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" What do we do with all the farm animals aswell? Just let them loose? No one is going to want to look after them if theres nothing in it for them" We would slaughter and eat the ones we have and don't breed any more. It's pretty simple. But of course very few people are saying that we must all stop eating meat full stop. The idea is we should all reduce the amount of meat we eat. | |||
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"As cum is given freely and with consent it is definitely vegan friendly. Products derived from animals are not given freely and with consent and are used by humans without the choice of the animal. Are you speaking for the animals without their consent? How do you know they don't desire to be eaten or give milk? Generally (speaking in the human realm) consent needs to be affirmatively acquired, and the default is that consent is not given, especially when it's not judged that a person is capable of giving it. That's not true. It depends on whether we believe the action requires consent or not. For example, many people do not consent to certain laws but they are punished for breaking them anyway without their consent. Kids are stuck with needles without their consent. We deem these non-consentual actions necessary for the benefit of humanity, same with eating animals. I'd dispute that eating animals is "for the benefit of humanity;, when livestock farming is one of the the main causes of global warming/climate change. Humans need to eat meat to get all the proteins needed in there diet. A vegan diet has incomplete proteins and will not give a human everything they need without pharmaceutical supplements which are nowhere near as good as getting them from food But they still get them, so no real need as such. Well no your not getting them as they should be. Synthetic versions are no where near as good. Our body's and even our teeth have evolved to eat meat. Not eating meat is just going against want your body has spent millennia evolving too. So yes there is plenty of need" Actually, you’re wrong. If you were to live on Quorn ready meals, maybe. A real, plant-based, wholefood diet however, gives you all the nutrients you need - I probably get more iron and protein now than I did before. The proteins themselves are harder to break down...which studies have shown to be beneficial to our health rather than detrimental. I enjoy the taste of a steak so I’ll have one occasionally...every so often I’ll eat something dairy, egg or meat based but I’ll tend to be vegan most of the time. I’m not one to shove veganism down people’s throats but I will correct if I see something wrong. | |||
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"Is cum vegan? " Goat's cum is Cow and pig cum, not so sure | |||
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" I enjoy the taste of a steak so I’ll have one occasionally...every so often I’ll eat something dairy, egg or meat based but I’ll tend to be vegan most of the time. I’m not one to shove veganism down people’s throats but I will correct if I see something wrong. " I agree with this...you can be vegan but still enjoy a steak occasionally | |||
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" I enjoy the taste of a steak so I’ll have one occasionally...every so often I’ll eat something dairy, egg or meat based but I’ll tend to be vegan most of the time. I’m not one to shove veganism down people’s throats but I will correct if I see something wrong. I agree with this...you can be vegan but still enjoy a steak occasionally" Yeah. You can be straight, but still like a bit o' cock. Who's gonna know, right? | |||
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"As cum is given freely and with consent it is definitely vegan friendly. Products derived from animals are not given freely and with consent and are used by humans without the choice of the animal. " If consent is vital for vegans does a cabbage want to be eaten ?????? | |||
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"As cum is given freely and with consent it is definitely vegan friendly. Products derived from animals are not given freely and with consent and are used by humans without the choice of the animal. Are you speaking for the animals without their consent? How do you know they don't desire to be eaten or give milk? Generally (speaking in the human realm) consent needs to be affirmatively acquired, and the default is that consent is not given, especially when it's not judged that a person is capable of giving it. That's not true. It depends on whether we believe the action requires consent or not. For example, many people do not consent to certain laws but they are punished for breaking them anyway without their consent. Kids are stuck with needles without their consent. We deem these non-consentual actions necessary for the benefit of humanity, same with eating animals. Consent is assumed in the former case and formally given to guardians in the latter. I'm an omnivore, but a bad argument is a bad argument. Can you elaborate? Why is consent 'assumed' for criminals? And why is giving consent over to parents ok? And if that is the case, why do animals need to give consent if not even children can give consent? Let's tease this out a little... because I think the bad argument began once the consent of animals was brought up. It's nonsensical. Do animals consent to be eaten by other animals? So why do we need consent? Please advise. Off the top of my head, the idea is that everyone is assumed to consent to the legal regime in the jurisdiction in which they reside. I think the idea might have its roots in The Leviathan, but I might be mistaken. It's a well established notion regardless." You've already given the idea, I'm asking for an explanation as to go yes that is the case. Criminals do not consent to being punished and if they consented to laws they wouldn't break them. Also, this brings us into the terroritory of implied consent, so we do not need explicit consent. If, by virtue of merely existing within a jurisdiction consent can be implied, then the same can be implied for animals merely existing in a particular state of being. I don't think the case has been made that all people consent to authority except in the case you have given where they are not consulted. "At law parents are held to consent on behalf of their children up to a certain age depending on the circumstances or the child's capacity (this can be revoked)." Right, so if the parents do not give consent, their authority can be revoked and a higher authority can impose their will on the child and parents without their consent. This was my point earlier, it is not true that consent needs to be affirmed. In fact we impose our will depending on the activity deemed vital. Eating animals is one of those things, therefore seeking TV e animal's consent is nonsensical and absurd. "For many reasons, among which asking a baby if they give informed consent to, say, surgery, is nonsense on stilts." I agree! Same as asking an animal if it agrees to the greater good of feeding humans. If they had reasoning, I'm certain they would agree that it is a greater good. "The parallels are difficult and ffs I just had a beef burger so it's hardly my argument, but in this specific instance, the argument a vegan is most likely to make is that it is clear that the person consents to giving cum (breast milk is the other example)." Yes, this is because their consent is required in that circumstance but survival and nutrition of our species does not require an animal's consent for reasons mentioned. "Consent to being killed is also not generally considered acceptable." Exactly! So why would someone make an argument that we need an animal's consent to be eaten when even if consent to be eaten was given, it would generally not be considered acceptable? It renders the suggestion redundant. Simply ask.. Would you eat the animal if it could say yes, eat me please? If the answer is no anyway, don't bring up consent! That is all really. | |||
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"Is cum vegan? Goat's cum is Cow and pig cum, not so sure" Sheep’s cum must be lol | |||
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" Yeah. You can be straight, but still like a bit o' cock. Who's gonna know, right?" My favourite part of a roast chicken is the parsons nose.. Tells you all you need to know x | |||
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" I enjoy the taste of a steak so I’ll have one occasionally...every so often I’ll eat something dairy, egg or meat based but I’ll tend to be vegan most of the time. I’m not one to shove veganism down people’s throats but I will correct if I see something wrong. I agree with this...you can be vegan but still enjoy a steak occasionally Yeah. You can be straight, but still like a bit o' cock. Who's gonna know, right?" Eh, I don’t claim to be a vegan. I just eat a vegan diet 99% of the time. It’s for health reasons but the odd pork pie or slice of cheesecake every couple of months isn’t going to kill me.  | |||
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" I enjoy the taste of a steak so I’ll have one occasionally...every so often I’ll eat something dairy, egg or meat based but I’ll tend to be vegan most of the time. I’m not one to shove veganism down people’s throats but I will correct if I see something wrong. I agree with this...you can be vegan but still enjoy a steak occasionally Yeah. You can be straight, but still like a bit o' cock. Who's gonna know, right? Eh, I don’t claim to be a vegan. I just eat a vegan diet 99% of the time. It’s for health reasons but the odd pork pie or slice of cheesecake every couple of months isn’t going to kill me. "I call it veganish | |||
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"As cum is given freely and with consent it is definitely vegan friendly. Products derived from animals are not given freely and with consent and are used by humans without the choice of the animal. Are you speaking for the animals without their consent? How do you know they don't desire to be eaten or give milk? Generally (speaking in the human realm) consent needs to be affirmatively acquired, and the default is that consent is not given, especially when it's not judged that a person is capable of giving it. That's not true. It depends on whether we believe the action requires consent or not. For example, many people do not consent to certain laws but they are punished for breaking them anyway without their consent. Kids are stuck with needles without their consent. We deem these non-consentual actions necessary for the benefit of humanity, same with eating animals. I'd dispute that eating animals is "for the benefit of humanity;, when livestock farming is one of the the main causes of global warming/climate change. Humans need to eat meat to get all the proteins needed in there diet. A vegan diet has incomplete proteins and will not give a human everything they need without pharmaceutical supplements which are nowhere near as good as getting them from food But they still get them, so no real need as such. Well no your not getting them as they should be. Synthetic versions are no where near as good. Our body's and even our teeth have evolved to eat meat. Not eating meat is just going against want your body has spent millennia evolving too. So yes there is plenty of need Actually, you’re wrong. If you were to live on Quorn ready meals, maybe. A real, plant-based, wholefood diet however, gives you all the nutrients you need - I probably get more iron and protein now than I did before. The proteins themselves are harder to break down...which studies have shown to be beneficial to our health rather than detrimental. I enjoy the taste of a steak so I’ll have one occasionally...every so often I’ll eat something dairy, egg or meat based but I’ll tend to be vegan most of the time. I’m not one to shove veganism down people’s throats but I will correct if I see something wrong. " Apparently (and I got this second hand, so don't quote me), the iron in veg etc is the wrong type of iron. You can't even get the supposedly recommended amount, eating steak! I'm getting this from a friend that has cancer, so has to be really strict with her diet. The only way to get the right amount of heavy iron, is to either eat liver (which she hates) or take supplements! Also, the body can't absorbe iron, without also eating vitamin C. Most if us omnivores aren't getting the right proteins or vitamins, but still tick along nicely without giving the slightest f¥€&! Mention veganism though and everyone's a health freak!   | |||
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"I refer to the kinsey vegan-carnivore scale of diets 0 = Exclusively vegan 1 = Predominantly vegan, only incidentally carnivorous 2 = Predominantly vegan, but more than incidentally carnivorous 3 = Equally vegan and carnivorous 4 = Predominantly carnivorous, but more than incidentally vegan 5 = Predominantly , only incidentally vegan 6 = Exclusively carnivorous X = No dietary leanings, probably must be force-fed. Where do you lie on the scale? " Does being carnivorous involve eating yoghurt | |||
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"I refer to the kinsey vegan-carnivore scale of diets 0 = Exclusively vegan 1 = Predominantly vegan, only incidentally carnivorous 2 = Predominantly vegan, but more than incidentally carnivorous 3 = Equally vegan and carnivorous 4 = Predominantly carnivorous, but more than incidentally vegan 5 = Predominantly carnivorous, only incidentally vegan 6 = Exclusively carnivorous X = No dietary leanings, probably must be force-fed. Where do you lie on the scale? Does being carnivorous involve eating yoghurt" Yes, the scale doesn't include vegetarian so all animal product consumption is classified as carnivorous. | |||
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" I'd dispute that eating animals is "for the benefit of humanity;, when livestock farming is one of the the main causes of global warming/climate change. Science based on alchemy... Utter nonsense" I think you will find that the massive increase in plane journeys is a much more significant factor in global climate change. Remember that next time you're at Heathrow... | |||
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"As cum is given freely and with consent it is definitely vegan friendly. Products derived from animals are not given freely and with consent and are used by humans without the choice of the animal. Are you speaking for the animals without their consent? How do you know they don't desire to be eaten or give milk? Generally (speaking in the human realm) consent needs to be affirmatively acquired, and the default is that consent is not given, especially when it's not judged that a person is capable of giving it. That's not true. It depends on whether we believe the action requires consent or not. For example, many people do not consent to certain laws but they are punished for breaking them anyway without their consent. Kids are stuck with needles without their consent. We deem these non-consentual actions necessary for the benefit of humanity, same with eating animals. I'd dispute that eating animals is "for the benefit of humanity;, when livestock farming is one of the the main causes of global warming/climate change. Humans need to eat meat to get all the proteins needed in there diet. A vegan diet has incomplete proteins and will not give a human everything they need without pharmaceutical supplements which are nowhere near as good as getting them from food But they still get them, so no real need as such. Well no your not getting them as they should be. Synthetic versions are no where near as good. Our body's and even our teeth have evolved to eat meat. Not eating meat is just going against want your body has spent millennia evolving too. So yes there is plenty of need Actually, you’re wrong. If you were to live on Quorn ready meals, maybe. A real, plant-based, wholefood diet however, gives you all the nutrients you need - I probably get more iron and protein now than I did before. The proteins themselves are harder to break down...which studies have shown to be beneficial to our health rather than detrimental. I enjoy the taste of a steak so I’ll have one occasionally...every so often I’ll eat something dairy, egg or meat based but I’ll tend to be vegan most of the time. I’m not one to shove veganism down people’s throats but I will correct if I see something wrong. Apparently (and I got this second hand, so don't quote me), the iron in veg etc is the wrong type of iron. You can't even get the supposedly recommended amount, eating steak! I'm getting this from a friend that has cancer, so has to be really strict with her diet. The only way to get the right amount of heavy iron, is to either eat liver (which she hates) or take supplements! Also, the body can't absorbe iron, without also eating vitamin C. Most if us omnivores aren't getting the right proteins or vitamins, but still tick along nicely without giving the slightest f¥€&! Mention veganism though and everyone's a health freak! "I’m so sorry to hear about your friend. Yeah, the iron can only be absorbed with vitamin C (kale massaged in lemon juice, om nom nom ) Just like the vitamin D can only be absorbed if you eat mushrooms with it. The iron is still useful, though, just not as easily absorbed as the iron in steak (hence why you don’t need to sprinkle lime juice on your t-bone). If your body is already fighting cancer, then it won’t be as efficient at absorbing the iron anyway...no point in making it any harder.
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"As cum is given freely and with consent it is definitely vegan friendly. Products derived from animals are not given freely and with consent and are used by humans without the choice of the animal. Are you speaking for the animals without their consent? How do you know they don't desire to be eaten or give milk? Generally (speaking in the human realm) consent needs to be affirmatively acquired, and the default is that consent is not given, especially when it's not judged that a person is capable of giving it. That's not true. It depends on whether we believe the action requires consent or not. For example, many people do not consent to certain laws but they are punished for breaking them anyway without their consent. Kids are stuck with needles without their consent. We deem these non-consentual actions necessary for the benefit of humanity, same with eating animals. I'd dispute that eating animals is "for the benefit of humanity;, when livestock farming is one of the the main causes of global warming/climate change. Humans need to eat meat to get all the proteins needed in there diet. A vegan diet has incomplete proteins and will not give a human everything they need without pharmaceutical supplements which are nowhere near as good as getting them from food But they still get them, so no real need as such. Well no your not getting them as they should be. Synthetic versions are no where near as good. Our body's and even our teeth have evolved to eat meat. Not eating meat is just going against want your body has spent millennia evolving too. So yes there is plenty of need Actually, you’re wrong. If you were to live on Quorn ready meals, maybe. A real, plant-based, wholefood diet however, gives you all the nutrients you need - I probably get more iron and protein now than I did before. The proteins themselves are harder to break down...which studies have shown to be beneficial to our health rather than detrimental. I enjoy the taste of a steak so I’ll have one occasionally...every so often I’ll eat something dairy, egg or meat based but I’ll tend to be vegan most of the time. I’m not one to shove veganism down people’s throats but I will correct if I see something wrong. Apparently (and I got this second hand, so don't quote me), the iron in veg etc is the wrong type of iron. You can't even get the supposedly recommended amount, eating steak! I'm getting this from a friend that has cancer, so has to be really strict with her diet. The only way to get the right amount of heavy iron, is to either eat liver (which she hates) or take supplements! Also, the body can't absorbe iron, without also eating vitamin C. Most if us omnivores aren't getting the right proteins or vitamins, but still tick along nicely without giving the slightest f¥€&! Mention veganism though and everyone's a health freak!
I’m so sorry to hear about your friend.
Yeah, the iron can only be absorbed with vitamin C (kale massaged in lemon juice, om nom nom ) Just like the vitamin D can only be absorbed if you eat mushrooms with it. The iron is still useful, though, just not as easily absorbed as the iron in steak (hence why you don’t need to sprinkle lime juice on your t-bone). If your body is already fighting cancer, then it won’t be as efficient at absorbing the iron anyway...no point in making it any harder.
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"Is cum vegan? " Cum from a vegan sure, from a meat eater nah | |||
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" Not eating meat is just going against want your body has spent millennia evolving too. So yes there is plenty of need Dieticians disagree with you. You have to plan a vegan diet carefully, but you can get everything you need. The scientific evidence and advice is not that vegetarianism/veganism is bad for you - the opposite, if anything." Actually dieticians tell you to have a diet that consists of both and not just one. So there saying the opposite of you. Unless your reading pro vegan propaganda then yeah they will tell you that crap all day. As I said our bodys have evolved to eat meat. Why do you think we have the front teeth of a meet eater and the back teeth if a herbivore | |||
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