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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

We had an interesting discussion about it today that the kids nowadays have lost all the respect for the teachers and how the teachers are not to beable to inforce discipline, if they do they would get reported, we compared it how it was back in the old days when they use the cane, what have gone wrong from then to now? Also have we any teachers on fab, what have you experienced?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We had an interesting discussion about it today that the kids nowadays have lost all the respect for the teachers and how the teachers are not to beable to inforce discipline, if they do they would get reported, we compared it how it was back in the old days when they use the cane, what have gone wrong from then to now? Also have we any teachers on fab, what have you experienced?"

If a parent cant discipline there own child then a teacher should not be able too either. A teacher put even a finger on my children they would have some issues coming there way. No one should be hitting a child with anything

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We had an interesting discussion about it today that the kids nowadays have lost all the respect for the teachers and how the teachers are not to beable to inforce discipline, if they do they would get reported, we compared it how it was back in the old days when they use the cane, what have gone wrong from then to now? Also have we any teachers on fab, what have you experienced?

If a parent cant discipline there own child then a teacher should not be able too either. A teacher put even a finger on my children they would have some issues coming there way. No one should be hitting a child with anything"

Who said anything about hitting children?

I think part of the issue lays in the fact that education authorities don't support excluding unruly and disruptive pupils from school, quoting the right to education card.

What about the right to education for those quieter well behaved kids struggling in some areas?

Get parents to sign contracts along with their kids in order to enter schools and exclude them when they breach it. Teach them responsibility.

Also introduce video recording in classes. Some angelic little ones will find it hard to play innocent to their parents then!

Schools are for nurturing and education,and helping to make well rounded people not for teachers to fix the failings of dysfunctional people and patch up the failings of parents.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There is no discipline, bring back national service for both sexes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We had an interesting discussion about it today that the kids nowadays have lost all the respect for the teachers and how the teachers are not to beable to inforce discipline, if they do they would get reported, we compared it how it was back in the old days when they use the cane, what have gone wrong from then to now? Also have we any teachers on fab, what have you experienced?

If a parent cant discipline there own child then a teacher should not be able too either. A teacher put even a finger on my children they would have some issues coming there way. No one should be hitting a child with anything

Who said anything about hitting children?

I think part of the issue lays in the fact that education authorities don't support excluding unruly and disruptive pupils from school, quoting the right to education card.

What about the right to education for those quieter well behaved kids struggling in some areas?

Get parents to sign contracts along with their kids in order to enter schools and exclude them when they breach it. Teach them responsibility.

Also introduce video recording in classes. Some angelic little ones will find it hard to play innocent to their parents then!

Schools are for nurturing and education,and helping to make well rounded people not for teachers to fix the failings of dysfunctional people and patch up the failings of parents."

The OP mentioned using the cane in Jo's post. The cane that was used to hit children. Glad I cleared that up for you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

*his

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By *isaB45Woman
over a year ago

Fabville

Schools and parents must work together for the benefit of the child. It's the only way.

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

I think it’s a crying shame for the kids who want to learn and the disruption that goes on unabated makes it difficult for them .

I’m not saying I think teachers should hit children , but they should be able to put the unruly kids somewhere away from the other kids so that they can continue teaching those who want to learn .

It doesn’t help when you get parents who will fight tooth and nail to defend their children , no matter how badly behaved they are . Perhaps the parents should be disciplined for not imposing any discipline in the first place ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can tell you from personal experience the biggest problem when it comes to disciplining children in school is the parents!

Children know full well all they have to do is cry to Mum and Dad and tell them that teacher was mean to them and we will have an angry parent in reception within minutes.

It's never their child's fault, it's never about how they choose the parent it's always the schools fault.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Schools and parents must work together for the benefit of the child. It's the only way."

This ^

You get ‘disrespectful’ people in all walks in life. I genuinely don’t think it has increased much - I only left school five years ago and I can name maybe three people in my year at school (it’s a big school, children from poverty backgrounds to rich posh backgrounds) who really fucked around and were really disrespectful.

You always hear ‘the children today have no respect for their teachers/adults’.

Yes, respect your elders, but working with children has shown me that you really need to respect them too. Respect goes both ways. Children can tell when someone doesn’t respect them. If an adult doesn’t respect a child, why should they respect them? Because they’re older?

Mutual respect goes a big way.

And yeah, some kids are just little shits and don’t respect adults/teachers. But you get adults like that too.

(Sorry - I went a bit off subject there).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We had an interesting discussion about it today that the kids nowadays have lost all the respect for the teachers and how the teachers are not to beable to inforce discipline, if they do they would get reported, we compared it how it was back in the old days when they use the cane, what have gone wrong from then to now? Also have we any teachers on fab, what have you experienced?

If a parent cant discipline there own child then a teacher should not be able too either. A teacher put even a finger on my children they would have some issues coming there way. No one should be hitting a child with anything

Who said anything about hitting children?

I think part of the issue lays in the fact that education authorities don't support excluding unruly and disruptive pupils from school, quoting the right to education card.

What about the right to education for those quieter well behaved kids struggling in some areas?

Get parents to sign contracts along with their kids in order to enter schools and exclude them when they breach it. Teach them responsibility.

Also introduce video recording in classes. Some angelic little ones will find it hard to play innocent to their parents then!

Schools are for nurturing and education,and helping to make well rounded people not for teachers to fix the failings of dysfunctional people and patch up the failings of parents.

The OP mentioned using the cane in Jo's post. The cane that was used to hit children. Glad I cleared that up for you"

Semantics.

Thankfully very few people see the cane or physical punishment as a solution.

Unruly and problematic children are a major problem in modern mainstream education, and it's sad to see so many parents refusing to see the behaviour of their child is a problem.

Without sanctions at home and in school with proportionate measures and explanation, nothing changes.

We just end up with kids growing into adults with a sense of entitlement and never accepting responsibility.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We had an interesting discussion about it today that the kids nowadays have lost all the respect for the teachers and how the teachers are not to beable to inforce discipline, if they do they would get reported, we compared it how it was back in the old days when they use the cane, what have gone wrong from then to now? Also have we any teachers on fab, what have you experienced?

If a parent cant discipline there own child then a teacher should not be able too either. A teacher put even a finger on my children they would have some issues coming there way. No one should be hitting a child with anything"

I can assure you it is far more likely that a child was it a teacher than the other way around!

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By *urls and DressesWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere near here

I have thought 4 year olds through to 64 year olds and in all honesty I never had a huge issue with behaviour in children. Methods I used worked well and I got to know the kids to establish methods that work well with them. There was never any need for any physical punishment even if it was allowed. A lot was identifying triggers for misbehaviour and removing or working on those triggers.

Adults however, I taught a group once where enough was enough. These were parents of children I also taught. A very stern word and an insight of what they were doing calmed it down but never stopped it. Funnily enough some of their kids were challenging at times.

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By *urls and DressesWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere near here


"I have thought 4 year olds through to 64 year olds and in all honesty I never had a huge issue with behaviour in children. Methods I used worked well and I got to know the kids to establish methods that work well with them. There was never any need for any physical punishment even if it was allowed. A lot was identifying triggers for misbehaviour and removing or working on those triggers.

Adults however, I taught a group once where enough was enough. These were parents of children I also taught. A very stern word and an insight of what they were doing calmed it down but never stopped it. Funnily enough some of their kids were challenging at times."

Taught not thought, not coming across as a great teacher there!

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By *om and JennieCouple
over a year ago

Chams or Socials

Students & parents at my youngest’s high school have a code of conduct in their diaries that we have to sign every year. They take no messing about from anyone either

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have thought 4 year olds through to 64 year olds and in all honesty I never had a huge issue with behaviour in children. Methods I used worked well and I got to know the kids to establish methods that work well with them. There was never any need for any physical punishment even if it was allowed. A lot was identifying triggers for misbehaviour and removing or working on those triggers.

Adults however, I taught a group once where enough was enough. These were parents of children I also taught. A very stern word and an insight of what they were doing calmed it down but never stopped it. Funnily enough some of their kids were challenging at times."

I work in an additional needs school and I’ve never had a *real* issue with behaviour or a lack of respect from the children either

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It stems from the home in the very early years. I have seen reception aged children with absolutely no respect for the adults around them, and if they don't respect their parents, they wont listen to them, so what chance do the teachers have?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We had an interesting discussion about it today that the kids nowadays have lost all the respect for the teachers and how the teachers are not to beable to inforce discipline, if they do they would get reported, we compared it how it was back in the old days when they use the cane, what have gone wrong from then to now? Also have we any teachers on fab, what have you experienced?

If a parent cant discipline there own child then a teacher should not be able too either. A teacher put even a finger on my children they would have some issues coming there way. No one should be hitting a child with anything

Who said anything about hitting children?

I think part of the issue lays in the fact that education authorities don't support excluding unruly and disruptive pupils from school, quoting the right to education card.

What about the right to education for those quieter well behaved kids struggling in some areas?

Get parents to sign contracts along with their kids in order to enter schools and exclude them when they breach it. Teach them responsibility.

Also introduce video recording in classes. Some angelic little ones will find it hard to play innocent to their parents then!

Schools are for nurturing and education,and helping to make well rounded people not for teachers to fix the failings of dysfunctional people and patch up the failings of parents."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Schools and parents must work together for the benefit of the child. It's the only way.

This ^

You get ‘disrespectful’ people in all walks in life. I genuinely don’t think it has increased much - I only left school five years ago and I can name maybe three people in my year at school (it’s a big school, children from poverty backgrounds to rich posh backgrounds) who really fucked around and were really disrespectful.

You always hear ‘the children today have no respect for their teachers/adults’.

Yes, respect your elders, but working with children has shown me that you really need to respect them too. Respect goes both ways. Children can tell when someone doesn’t respect them. If an adult doesn’t respect a child, why should they respect them? Because they’re older?

Mutual respect goes a big way.

And yeah, some kids are just little shits and don’t respect adults/teachers. But you get adults like that too.

(Sorry - I went a bit off subject there). "

I very much agree with this. Respect works both ways.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I can tell you from personal experience the biggest problem when it comes to disciplining children in school is the parents!

Children know full well all they have to do is cry to Mum and Dad and tell them that teacher was mean to them and we will have an angry parent in reception within minutes.

It's never their child's fault, it's never about how they choose the parent it's always the schools fault."

Couldn't agree more " you're not my dad!" Or "my dad says this" comes to mind, parents seem to think schools and educators are the enemy.

F x

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham


"We had an interesting discussion about it today that the kids nowadays have lost all the respect for the teachers and how the teachers are not to beable to inforce discipline, if they do they would get reported, we compared it how it was back in the old days when they use the cane, what have gone wrong from then to now? Also have we any teachers on fab, what have you experienced?

If a parent cant discipline there own child "

There is the reason right there, parents thinking they can't discipline their children.

Parents can discipline their children, but some choose not to do it.

I am not talking about hitting children, as my parents and grandparents could do more with a raised voice than most teachers with a cane.

It is the parents responsibility to raise their children correctly, that includes discipline.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

Yes.

Some schools have effective behaviour policies, others don't.

It's perfectly possible to have a school with effective discipline without beating children.

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester


"We had an interesting discussion about it today that the kids nowadays have lost all the respect for the teachers and how the teachers are not to beable to inforce discipline, if they do they would get reported, we compared it how it was back in the old days when they use the cane, what have gone wrong from then to now? Also have we any teachers on fab, what have you experienced?

If a parent cant discipline there own child

There is the reason right there, parents thinking they can't discipline their children.

Parents can discipline their children, but some choose not to do it.

I am not talking about hitting children, as my parents and grandparents could do more with a raised voice than most teachers with a cane.

It is the parents responsibility to raise their children correctly, that includes discipline."

Absolutely this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I know this isn't school related however, it is relevant as we're talking parents who can't be arsed to, or have no fucking clue or desire to discipline their own kids.

Daily in my job I hear the words "quick, quick, sit down or the lady will tell you off"

That right there speaks volumes. Tell your own fucking kid off, teach your own fucking kid how to behave, it ain't my job..... I'm a goddam waitress ffs!

I have worked in education, and the red tape and wanky parents attitudes that extended to the unruly kids meant that it really wasn't for me.

I must admit though, I was a 1-1 with a few of the "naughty kids"... turned out structure, attention and being heard and feeling respected was a massive thing in the turn around in their behaviour, feeling like someone actually gave a shit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just wanna add, by merely telling kids off, they learn fuck all.

We need to talk to the children, explain to them WHY that behaviour is wrong, the consequences to others and the consequences to themselves. The more they understand about something the better.

Much in the same way as "don't touch that you'll burn yourself" they touch it anyway, they burn themselves. They then believe you and trust in your judgement, that you know best. That's why discipline needs to be carried through and not empty threats, or saying no 27 times and then caving on the 28th time they ask, that's teaching them that if they ask 28 times they'll get their own way.

I'm off on a tangent, I'll shut up now

P

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its crap to hit targets all they do is gather all the shits together put them in a room to skin up wrestle fuck about keep them out the way of the other kids while also cultivating ready made criminal gangs by putting them together

May as well just give them weapons mugging and burglary lessons to prepare them for later life

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd agree with what Queen Leviosa said up above. It's now a 'nowadays' issue. I was in school 20 years ago, and there were many disruptive and disrespectful pupils.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's all lies. Kids were still bastards even if they got the cane.

Kids are no worse now than they were back in the day. I'm assuming you didn't have the cane in your day Shag? Did they ever have it in Sweden?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'd agree with what Queen Leviosa said up above. It's now a 'nowadays' issue. I was in school 20 years ago, and there were many disruptive and disrespectful pupils. "

*not a nowadays issue

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Once upon a time...cheeky kid would get cane at school or clip round war off the good old beat Bobby,wouldn't go home crying about it or get same at home for being cheeky.....

Now....police/school brutality

Not the only,but one reason for the current state of this country....poor state that is

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By *aren1956TV/TS
over a year ago

Fakenham

It doesn't exist....

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Ahem ....... thank you to those who resisted trotting out the old cut n paste that usually comes out when behaviour comes up .......

The children now love luxury; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are tyrants, not servants of the households. They no longer rise when their elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize over their teachers.' ( Socrates )

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


"Ahem ....... thank you to those who resisted trotting out the old cut n paste that usually comes out when behaviour comes up .......

The children now love luxury; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are tyrants, not servants of the households. They no longer rise when their elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize over their teachers.' ( Socrates )"

yep. Another day, another 'the kids of today aren't as tough/clever/respectful as my generation!'

The lack of self-awareness is quite sad.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


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I’m not saying I think teachers should hit children , but they should be able to put the unruly kids somewhere away from the other kids so that they can continue teaching those who want to learn ."

That's exactly what does happen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Once upon a time...cheeky kid would get cane at school or clip round war off the good old beat Bobby,wouldn't go home crying about it or get same at home for being cheeky.....

Now....police/school brutality

Not the only,but one reason for the current state of this country....poor state that is "

So, not hitting kids caused the banking crisis, austerity, Brexit etc ?

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By *ommenhimCouple
over a year ago

wigan


"Once upon a time...cheeky kid would get cane at school or clip round war off the good old beat Bobby,wouldn't go home crying about it or get same at home for being cheeky.....

Now....police/school brutality

Not the only,but one reason for the current state of this country....poor state that is "

Absolutely....

Adults hitting children ..... where would ‘we’ have been without corporal punishment .... bloody do-Gooders. I spent one detention while in school ... one... and during that detention I refused to do the inane task set.... because it was nonsense and I explained that. I did something productive instead (studied). Some of my teachers were amazing a credit to their profession ... some were total dim witted wankers. A teacher or police officer who chooses to lay a hand on my child had better have thought through their actions very very well and be ready to explain why there was no alternative.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have screamed at other people's kids before when they were pissing about and in danger of being hurt. I was really surprised the parents didn't tell me off.

They didn't thank me either though.

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By *tella HeelsTV/TS
over a year ago

west here ford shire

My eldest teacher 16-18 yr olds

She is and has in the past had issues with male and female students being nasty agressive one even got his cock out and waved it around saying he was going to show her a real man

Now, sorry but this type of behaviour is unacceptable, apart from the black guy waving his clock around 90% of the issues she has to face, the teacher cannot do anything about it!

If they do, it’s the teachers who are held accountable, this has become ridiculous and the problem is getting worse, this isn’t a now and then issue, it’s a daily problem for teachers, yet they have no protection from pupils who appear to have major issues

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By *ilkenWoman
over a year ago

Manchester


"We had an interesting discussion about it today that the kids nowadays have lost all the respect for the teachers and how the teachers are not to beable to inforce discipline, if they do they would get reported, we compared it how it was back in the old days when they use the cane, what have gone wrong from then to now? Also have we any teachers on fab, what have you experienced?"

Kids have lost respect for adults full stop these days its not just teachers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My youngest son (13) started being bullied about a year ago, he is on the autistic spectrum and he finds it hard to tell the difference between friends and aquatinances, it started with him bunking off some lessons which he knows is wrong and at first I think he thought these people were his friends and when he got found out they let him take the rap because he had been in trouble a few times for speaking up about various issues (for example he had a teacher that would come in and put a film on that had no relavance to the lesson and he would tell the teacher straight that he was there to learn, he is very blunt), then these kids started to turn on him when Obviously he tried telling the truth about these kids and whose idea it was to bunk (we saw the messages that was sent back and forth and it was by no means my sons idea, he just wanted to be liked).

Then the taking stuff, the breaking stuff and then in his last week there, after countless phone calls and emails to the head, my mum was in hospital and because all three of my kids work/lives at college etc we had a group WhatsApp group so I could keep all three in the loop, I didn’t know that he would read a message I sent three days prior at school (it wasn’t anything bad, I think it was amulitude of reasons) and he cried and the kids saw it and bribed him into bunking because they took a picture of him, he immediately called me on the way home and was inconsolable.

His step mum is brilliant, she used to be a teacher so took charge with it all, she’s great with big words etc and wanted to get these kids that had by now squirted toothpaste, yogurt etc all over my son, she wanted them to get in trouble for their actions but you know what the school did? Gave the kids 24 hours before they spoke to them and wow! No photo!!.

The teachers meanwhile (we didn’t hear anything from the head) when he tried going to them all brushed him off, one said he wasn’t his teacher, one said they were on the way to a meeting and the other just said go and wash it off.

My son used to have a safe space to go to at breaks and they took it away from him and then this happens.

We removed him at the end of that week, he is now in a smaller school (300 kids) and each teacher is trained about autism and he has been so much happier.

Incidentally my eldest went to a party that the headteachers son went too and he told him about what happened and we received a phone call from him apologising and saying the school let him down, we don’t know what happened after but the head was livid that he wasn’t aware of any of it, it’s that funny system where you have a head and a principle, it’s strange, he said we were a good family and always supported the school (we had).

Geeky x

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"It's all lies. Kids were still bastards even if they got the cane.

Kids are no worse now than they were back in the day. I'm assuming you didn't have the cane in your day Shag? Did they ever have it in Sweden?"
Yes they are alot worse now and you are right. I didnt have the cane as I went to the school in 90s. I reckon they did have it in sweden, how about here in england?

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By *ommenhimCouple
over a year ago

wigan


"We had an interesting discussion about it today that the kids nowadays have lost all the respect for the teachers and how the teachers are not to beable to inforce discipline, if they do they would get reported, we compared it how it was back in the old days when they use the cane, what have gone wrong from then to now? Also have we any teachers on fab, what have you experienced?

Kids have lost respect for adults full stop these days its not just teachers."

Does age demand respect? Do disrespectful idiots not grow older too? A couple of years older than you and as a child I respected those who gave me no reason to be disrespectful. As an adult I follow similar principles

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We had an interesting discussion about it today that the kids nowadays have lost all the respect for the teachers and how the teachers are not to beable to inforce discipline, if they do they would get reported, we compared it how it was back in the old days when they use the cane, what have gone wrong from then to now? Also have we any teachers on fab, what have you experienced?

Kids have lost respect for adults full stop these days its not just teachers."

No they haven’t

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By *ommenhimCouple
over a year ago

wigan


"We had an interesting discussion about it today that the kids nowadays have lost all the respect for the teachers and how the teachers are not to beable to inforce discipline, if they do they would get reported, we compared it how it was back in the old days when they use the cane, what have gone wrong from then to now? Also have we any teachers on fab, what have you experienced?

Kids have lost respect for adults full stop these days its not just teachers.

No they haven’t "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There is no discipline, bring back national service for both sexes. "

National service now would probably farmed out to somebody like GS4 because the army surely wouldn't have the resources.

What a waste of time that would.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"It's all lies. Kids were still bastards even if they got the cane.

Kids are no worse now than they were back in the day. I'm assuming you didn't have the cane in your day Shag? Did they ever have it in Sweden?Yes they are alot worse now and you are right. I didnt have the cane as I went to the school in 90s. I reckon they did have it in sweden, how about here in england?"

Oh come on? What does a lot worse mean ? What does it ACTUALLY mean ? What are children doing now that they didn't do years ago .......... come to that - What are they doing NOW that hasn't been promoted by adults and capitalism ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The schools that my kids go to don't seem to have a problem with discipline or respect. Not all kids are unruly. Guess it depends largely where you live.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

While we are at it ........

I don't like pernicious t.v. ads like the Robinson's fruit drinks one.

Or all the t.v. shows that go ho ho ho ho at 'cheeky' kids.....

Awwwwwwwww he's cute, she's cute ....... awwwwwwww look they are kicking the little old man .....awwwwwwww cute.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We had an interesting discussion about it today that the kids nowadays have lost all the respect for the teachers and how the teachers are not to beable to inforce discipline, if they do they would get reported, we compared it how it was back in the old days when they use the cane, what have gone wrong from then to now? Also have we any teachers on fab, what have you experienced?"

Its got nothing to do with the teachers or discipline in school its the home and the parents.

Kinds are in school for a fraction of thier tim3 just enpugh to learn thier education.

Thier morals and discipline they learn at home. And frankley most patents belive thier precious darling over thier teacher and make damn sure thier kid knows it too

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over a year ago


"in the old days when they use the cane,"

I hear this so many times but it's probably most often said by people who never had the cane.

It never hurt that much, which always felt like a victory against the teacher anyway. It happened in school time and the ego boost amongst your mates was worth paying for.

Half an hour out of lessons for a bit of a slap was much better then one hour school detention, that was much worse to take.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

I only saw a boy get the cane once in junior school. He came from a very large, poor family and had stolen a Milky Way. He knew the day before and it took place in front of the whole school. He was humiliated and had physical violence inflicted on him by an adult in public. It made a lasting impression on me. When I told my mum she was furious.

I'm glad we no longer do this kind of stuff to our kids

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By *ristolcouple21Couple
over a year ago

Bristol


"I can tell you from personal experience the biggest problem when it comes to disciplining children in school is the parents!

Children know full well all they have to do is cry to Mum and Dad and tell them that teacher was mean to them and we will have an angry parent in reception within minutes.

It's never their child's fault, it's never about how they choose the parent it's always the schools fault."

And then the parents share how shit they believe the school to be all over their social media to gather likes and sympathy for the poor child

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over a year ago


"I only saw a boy get the cane once in junior school. He came from a very large, poor family and had stolen a Milky Way. He knew the day before and it took place in front of the whole school. He was humiliated and had physical violence inflicted on him by an adult in public. It made a lasting impression on me. When I told my mum she was furious.

I'm glad we no longer do this kind of stuff to our kids"

Some people would call that character building.

My mum went to confront our headmistress in Primary school because she had made one of our friends stand up in whole school assembly and shouted at him making him wet himself.

My sister came home and told my mum and she was furious too, and as his mother was disabled she went to confront her.

My mum was one of the calmest people I know.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"I only saw a boy get the cane once in junior school. He came from a very large, poor family and had stolen a Milky Way. He knew the day before and it took place in front of the whole school. He was humiliated and had physical violence inflicted on him by an adult in public. It made a lasting impression on me. When I told my mum she was furious.

I'm glad we no longer do this kind of stuff to our kids

Some people would call that character building.

My mum went to confront our headmistress in Primary school because she had made one of our friends stand up in whole school assembly and shouted at him making him wet himself.

My sister came home and told my mum and she was furious too, and as his mother was disabled she went to confront her.

My mum was one of the calmest people I know. "

Its sad isn't it. I think that sort of thing says a lot about the character of the people who think its ok.

That being said once you get to the 16+ age group its an entirely different kettle of fish

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London


"I only saw a boy get the cane once in junior school. He came from a very large, poor family and had stolen a Milky Way. He knew the day before and it took place in front of the whole school. He was humiliated and had physical violence inflicted on him by an adult in public. It made a lasting impression on me. When I told my mum she was furious.

I'm glad we no longer do this kind of stuff to our kids"

That used to happen at my school. Do that to a kid today and you'd do time.

Things do progress.

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester


"I only saw a boy get the cane once in junior school. He came from a very large, poor family and had stolen a Milky Way. He knew the day before and it took place in front of the whole school. He was humiliated and had physical violence inflicted on him by an adult in public. It made a lasting impression on me. When I told my mum she was furious.

I'm glad we no longer do this kind of stuff to our kids

That used to happen at my school. Do that to a kid today and you'd do time.

Things do progress. "

I had it done to me , more than once I hasten to add , so it clearly doesn’t even work as a deterrent !

But as another poster said , it was more of a badge of honour in my book . No harm was done and it did build character in me .

I’m not going to say that the perpetrators of this kind of punishment were animals , or even that they were wrong , because that’s how it was back then .

I do however think it’s better now that we don’t adopt this kind of punishment , but perhaps it’s too easy for kids who want to abuse the system with no deterrent at all in place .

Here’s an example which makes me wonder . I was chatting with my eldest son yesterday and he was saying that the parents of one of his daughters friends are tearing their hair out because their son has been expelled from school . This means one of them has to miss work to be at home with him as he’s only 12 . They say it’ll be ok when he’s 13 as they feel that they can leave him on his own then ! And apparently there will be a place for him at a special school for badly behaved kids soon anyway . But their primary grievance is the fact that they will have to miss work because of their kids behaviour , and they are upset at the school for landing them in this quandary . Not blaming their badly behaved son , but blaming the school ! You couldn’t make it up could you ?

The school does what they can , eventually give up , and get blamed by the parents for their kids bad behaviour . That’s where I struggle .

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over a year ago

I'll stir it up a bit and suggest parents have lost the skills of discipline for fear of being prosecuted, a direct result of the influence of over protective groups, this being the primary cause of the lack of respect that the young generation has now towards others. A spank is wrong seen as beating, often by someone without experience of parenting or by someone who was beaten (not disciplined) when younger. Just a thought.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I only saw a boy get the cane once in junior school. He came from a very large, poor family and had stolen a Milky Way. He knew the day before and it took place in front of the whole school. He was humiliated and had physical violence inflicted on him by an adult in public. It made a lasting impression on me. When I told my mum she was furious.

I'm glad we no longer do this kind of stuff to our kids

That used to happen at my school. Do that to a kid today and you'd do time.

Things do progress.

I had it done to me , more than once I hasten to add , so it clearly doesn’t even work as a deterrent !

But as another poster said , it was more of a badge of honour in my book . No harm was done and it did build character in me .

I’m not going to say that the perpetrators of this kind of punishment were animals , or even that they were wrong , because that’s how it was back then .

I do however think it’s better now that we don’t adopt this kind of punishment , but perhaps it’s too easy for kids who want to abuse the system with no deterrent at all in place .

Here’s an example which makes me wonder . I was chatting with my eldest son yesterday and he was saying that the parents of one of his daughters friends are tearing their hair out because their son has been expelled from school . This means one of them has to miss work to be at home with him as he’s only 12 . They say it’ll be ok when he’s 13 as they feel that they can leave him on his own then ! And apparently there will be a place for him at a special school for badly behaved kids soon anyway . But their primary grievance is the fact that they will have to miss work because of their kids behaviour , and they are upset at the school for landing them in this quandary . Not blaming their badly behaved son , but blaming the school ! You couldn’t make it up could you ?

The school does what they can , eventually give up , and get blamed by the parents for their kids bad behaviour . That’s where I struggle ."

What do you class as character?

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"I only saw a boy get the cane once in junior school. He came from a very large, poor family and had stolen a Milky Way. He knew the day before and it took place in front of the whole school. He was humiliated and had physical violence inflicted on him by an adult in public. It made a lasting impression on me. When I told my mum she was furious.

I'm glad we no longer do this kind of stuff to our kids

That used to happen at my school. Do that to a kid today and you'd do time.

Things do progress.

I had it done to me , more than once I hasten to add , so it clearly doesn’t even work as a deterrent !

But as another poster said , it was more of a badge of honour in my book . No harm was done and it did build character in me .

I’m not going to say that the perpetrators of this kind of punishment were animals , or even that they were wrong , because that’s how it was back then .

I do however think it’s better now that we don’t adopt this kind of punishment , but perhaps it’s too easy for kids who want to abuse the system with no deterrent at all in place .

Here’s an example which makes me wonder . I was chatting with my eldest son yesterday and he was saying that the parents of one of his daughters friends are tearing their hair out because their son has been expelled from school . This means one of them has to miss work to be at home with him as he’s only 12 . They say it’ll be ok when he’s 13 as they feel that they can leave him on his own then ! And apparently there will be a place for him at a special school for badly behaved kids soon anyway . But their primary grievance is the fact that they will have to miss work because of their kids behaviour , and they are upset at the school for landing them in this quandary . Not blaming their badly behaved son , but blaming the school ! You couldn’t make it up could you ?

The school does what they can , eventually give up , and get blamed by the parents for their kids bad behaviour . That’s where I struggle ."

They weren't animals they genuinely thought it was ok for an adult to publicly hit and humliate a child in front of his peers. If it served any useful purpose it was to cause such revulsion in me that I swore never to be party to that sort of behaviour.

The teacher who did it was beaten up in later life and the person who did it was prosecuted. Where's the difference?

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"I'll stir it up a bit and suggest parents have lost the skills of discipline for fear of being prosecuted, a direct result of the influence of over protective groups, this being the primary cause of the lack of respect that the young generation has now towards others. A spank is wrong seen as beating, often by someone without experience of parenting or by someone who was beaten (not disciplined) when younger. Just a thought."

"Some" parents don't instil good behaviour in their children, it was ever thus but not all of us raised a brood of feral children

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It stems from the home in the very early years. I have seen reception aged children with absolutely no respect for the adults around them, and if they don't respect their parents, they wont listen to them, so what chance do the teachers have?"

You hit the nail on the head. It starts at home. If there is poor or no parenting then that issue propagates into school. The issue with most poorly behaved children starts at home somewhere and very young and propogatez from there getting bigger as they grow older and the child looses respect for the parent. Schools end up doing the parenting in some cases. Not a school issue it's a home and sociatal issue.

"takes a whole village to raise a child".

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

We were at an airport in France once waiting for our luggage while some kid ran riot, picking up people's luggage, climbing on the conveyor belt etc. Our son turned to us and said "I'm glad you didn't let me behave like that". We both felt we'd done something right at least.

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester


"I only saw a boy get the cane once in junior school. He came from a very large, poor family and had stolen a Milky Way. He knew the day before and it took place in front of the whole school. He was humiliated and had physical violence inflicted on him by an adult in public. It made a lasting impression on me. When I told my mum she was furious.

I'm glad we no longer do this kind of stuff to our kids

That used to happen at my school. Do that to a kid today and you'd do time.

Things do progress.

I had it done to me , more than once I hasten to add , so it clearly doesn’t even work as a deterrent !

But as another poster said , it was more of a badge of honour in my book . No harm was done and it did build character in me .

I’m not going to say that the perpetrators of this kind of punishment were animals , or even that they were wrong , because that’s how it was back then .

I do however think it’s better now that we don’t adopt this kind of punishment , but perhaps it’s too easy for kids who want to abuse the system with no deterrent at all in place .

Here’s an example which makes me wonder . I was chatting with my eldest son yesterday and he was saying that the parents of one of his daughters friends are tearing their hair out because their son has been expelled from school . This means one of them has to miss work to be at home with him as he’s only 12 . They say it’ll be ok when he’s 13 as they feel that they can leave him on his own then ! And apparently there will be a place for him at a special school for badly behaved kids soon anyway . But their primary grievance is the fact that they will have to miss work because of their kids behaviour , and they are upset at the school for landing them in this quandary . Not blaming their badly behaved son , but blaming the school ! You couldn’t make it up could you ?

The school does what they can , eventually give up , and get blamed by the parents for their kids bad behaviour . That’s where I struggle .

They weren't animals they genuinely thought it was ok for an adult to publicly hit and humliate a child in front of his peers. If it served any useful purpose it was to cause such revulsion in me that I swore never to be party to that sort of behaviour.

The teacher who did it was beaten up in later life and the person who did it was prosecuted. Where's the difference?"

I don’t know what the teacher did to get beaten up , if he stole from the person who did it there no difference at all I guess .

There will have been plenty of kids who saw the kid that stole the chocolate bar get the cane and say to themselves that they would never steal like he did if that’s the punishment . That was the general idea behind this type of discipline back then . But as I have said , I don’t agree with it any more than you do .

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester


"I only saw a boy get the cane once in junior school. He came from a very large, poor family and had stolen a Milky Way. He knew the day before and it took place in front of the whole school. He was humiliated and had physical violence inflicted on him by an adult in public. It made a lasting impression on me. When I told my mum she was furious.

I'm glad we no longer do this kind of stuff to our kids

That used to happen at my school. Do that to a kid today and you'd do time.

Things do progress.

I had it done to me , more than once I hasten to add , so it clearly doesn’t even work as a deterrent !

But as another poster said , it was more of a badge of honour in my book . No harm was done and it did build character in me .

I’m not going to say that the perpetrators of this kind of punishment were animals , or even that they were wrong , because that’s how it was back then .

I do however think it’s better now that we don’t adopt this kind of punishment , but perhaps it’s too easy for kids who want to abuse the system with no deterrent at all in place .

Here’s an example which makes me wonder . I was chatting with my eldest son yesterday and he was saying that the parents of one of his daughters friends are tearing their hair out because their son has been expelled from school . This means one of them has to miss work to be at home with him as he’s only 12 . They say it’ll be ok when he’s 13 as they feel that they can leave him on his own then ! And apparently there will be a place for him at a special school for badly behaved kids soon anyway . But their primary grievance is the fact that they will have to miss work because of their kids behaviour , and they are upset at the school for landing them in this quandary . Not blaming their badly behaved son , but blaming the school ! You couldn’t make it up could you ?

The school does what they can , eventually give up , and get blamed by the parents for their kids bad behaviour . That’s where I struggle .

What do you class as character?"

Resilience , inner strength , belief in myself , the ability to take a good hiding and still hold my head up high . The pats on the back afterwards from my peers ( at least the older kids who I thought were my peers anyway ) , and the girls asking to see the marks on my hand . It made me feel important , but then I used to go to football matches at Stamford Bridge as it was the nearest ground when I was a teenager , and often got involved in violence on the terraces . So the badge of honour thing was something to be proud of .

It’s strange that after I left school I hated violence in any form , and had my first child at 17 . I was way too busy working to have time for fighting . And I certainly don’t believe that hitting children does any good at all . I’m glad we’ve moved on from that way of thinking .

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over a year ago


"I'll stir it up a bit and suggest parents have lost the skills of discipline for fear of being prosecuted, a direct result of the influence of over protective groups, this being the primary cause of the lack of respect that the young generation has now towards others. A spank is wrong seen as beating, often by someone without experience of parenting or by someone who was beaten (not disciplined) when younger. Just a thought.

"Some" parents don't instil good behaviour in their children, it was ever thus but not all of us raised a brood of feral children"

Agree totally, I think in my head I was focused more on the effect upon parents when I used the all inclusive rather than implying all parents had lost it.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"I'll stir it up a bit and suggest parents have lost the skills of discipline for fear of being prosecuted, a direct result of the influence of over protective groups, this being the primary cause of the lack of respect that the young generation has now towards others. A spank is wrong seen as beating, often by someone without experience of parenting or by someone who was beaten (not disciplined) when younger. Just a thought.

"Some" parents don't instil good behaviour in their children, it was ever thus but not all of us raised a brood of feral children

Agree totally, I think in my head I was focused more on the effect upon parents when I used the all inclusive rather than implying all parents had lost it. "

My opinion is that discipline can be maintained without fear of prosecution.

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over a year ago


"I'll stir it up a bit and suggest parents have lost the skills of discipline for fear of being prosecuted, a direct result of the influence of over protective groups, this being the primary cause of the lack of respect that the young generation has now towards others. A spank is wrong seen as beating, often by someone without experience of parenting or by someone who was beaten (not disciplined) when younger. Just a thought.

"Some" parents don't instil good behaviour in their children, it was ever thus but not all of us raised a brood of feral children

Agree totally, I think in my head I was focused more on the effect upon parents when I used the all inclusive rather than implying all parents had lost it.

My opinion is that discipline can be maintained without fear of prosecution."

I can, it's also harder to prosecute emotional and mental abusive discipline which happens probably far more than physical abuse in today's culture because it can be seen as easily too.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"I'll stir it up a bit and suggest parents have lost the skills of discipline for fear of being prosecuted, a direct result of the influence of over protective groups, this being the primary cause of the lack of respect that the young generation has now towards others. A spank is wrong seen as beating, often by someone without experience of parenting or by someone who was beaten (not disciplined) when younger. Just a thought.

"Some" parents don't instil good behaviour in their children, it was ever thus but not all of us raised a brood of feral children

Agree totally, I think in my head I was focused more on the effect upon parents when I used the all inclusive rather than implying all parents had lost it.

My opinion is that discipline can be maintained without fear of prosecution.

I can, it's also harder to prosecute emotional and mental abusive discipline which happens probably far more than physical abuse in today's culture because it can be seen as easily too."

I don't agree, I think kids were emotionally and mentally abused under the guise of discipline just as often as they are nowadays. Some parents are bullies.

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over a year ago


"There is no discipline, bring back national service for both sexes. "

Way too late. Humans learn discipline and respect whilst they are still very young, or not at all. Give the military a thug and they will eventually give you back a well-trained thug.

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over a year ago


"I can tell you from personal experience the biggest problem when it comes to disciplining children in school is the parents!

Children know full well all they have to do is cry to Mum and Dad and tell them that teacher was mean to them and we will have an angry parent in reception within minutes.

It's never their child's fault, it's never about how they choose the parent it's always the schools fault."
That is right

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By *eeroybrownMan
over a year ago

aldershot


"There is no discipline, bring back national service for both sexes.

Way too late. Humans learn discipline and respect whilst they are still very young, or not at all. Give the military a thug and they will eventually give you back a well-trained thug."

Ant Middleton admits he was a thug. Wouldn't fancy messing with him now either!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'll stir it up a bit and suggest parents have lost the skills of discipline for fear of being prosecuted, a direct result of the influence of over protective groups, this being the primary cause of the lack of respect that the young generation has now towards others. A spank is wrong seen as beating, often by someone without experience of parenting or by someone who was beaten (not disciplined) when younger. Just a thought.

"Some" parents don't instil good behaviour in their children, it was ever thus but not all of us raised a brood of feral children

Agree totally, I think in my head I was focused more on the effect upon parents when I used the all inclusive rather than implying all parents had lost it.

My opinion is that discipline can be maintained without fear of prosecution.

I can, it's also harder to prosecute emotional and mental abusive discipline which happens probably far more than physical abuse in today's culture because it can be seen as easily too.

I don't agree, I think kids were emotionally and mentally abused under the guise of discipline just as often as they are nowadays. Some parents are bullies."

Today there is less physical abuse as it's easily identified and prosecuted for. Mental and emotional us harder to prove and prosecute, as a result it's happening more than the physical...that's my point. I don't disagree it happened before, the bullying parents just change their tactics to vent their inability to control.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There is no discipline, bring back national service for both sexes.

Way too late. Humans learn discipline and respect whilst they are still very young, or not at all. Give the military a thug and they will eventually give you back a well-trained thug."

We as parents are the biggest influence upon our kids, positively or negatively. They learn from us, respect or lack of, how to discipline or lack of, morals or lack of, work ethic or lack of, values or lack of. We can either be the primary teachers of our kids or we can hand that over to peers, schools, media or any other waiting on the wings.

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