FabSwingers.com forum: Celebrities asking for money

By *mp411 OP Man
over a year ago

chester

I’ve just seen a well known celebrity pleading for money.....a quick google search shows he’s sitting on a multi million fortune......so my point is if every celebrity have some of their fortune joe public would be more inclined to part with some cash

Or am I over estimating the rich and famous?

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By *mp411 OP Man
over a year ago

chester

"I’ve just seen a well known celebrity pleading for money.....a quick google search shows he’s sitting on a multi million fortune......so my point is if every celebrity have some of their fortune joe public would be more inclined to part with some cash

Or am I over estimating the rich and famous?"

Gave not have*

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Or am I over estimating the rich and famous?

Gave not have*"

Thank you for the clarification as I was a bit lost x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This always irks me too, being asked to donate money by multi millionaires.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"This always irks me too, being asked to donate money by multi millionaires. "

Why? It's not their sole responsibility to fix everything just because they're wealthy. The majority do give vast sums to charity, but they don't have to give all their money.

Do you give away all of your disposable income?

There's an element of social responsibility to charity. Everyone is as responsible as everyone else.

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By *mp411 OP Man
over a year ago

chester

I think you missed the point Evie.....

Instead of asking the public for money donate some of their own first and people would donate too....

Sir bob geldoff never gave a penny of his money to help in Africa for the first live aid

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"I think you missed the point Evie.....

Instead of asking the public for money donate some of their own first and people would donate too....

Sir bob geldoff never gave a penny of his money to help in Africa for the first live aid "

I didn't miss the point at all. I actually addressed it in my reply. But its early so I'll let you off.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This always irks me too, being asked to donate money by multi millionaires.

Why? It's not their sole responsibility to fix everything just because they're wealthy. The majority do give vast sums to charity, but they don't have to give all their money.

Do you give away all of your disposable income?

There's an element of social responsibility to charity. Everyone is as responsible as everyone else. "

Am I not allowed to be irked by people who’s hubcaps on their car that probably cost more than the place I live in asking for me to donate money.

I will continue to feel irked and nothing you say will make me change my mind.

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By *mp411 OP Man
over a year ago

chester

Thanks Evie

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The celebrity isn't asking for money for themselves,they are asking on behalf of the charity.

Most probably giving their time and endorsement free for a cause they believe in.

You nor anybody else knows how much they give personally.

Charities like a face the public knows to front their causes,and the British and Irish public are the most charitable people in the world.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

Sir bob geldoff never gave a penny of his money to help in Africa for the first live aid "

No. He just raised £8m for it through the release of 'do they know it's christmas'.

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By *lik and PaulCouple
over a year ago

Flagrante

A lot of rich and famous people donate a lot to charity but don't tend to shout about it. They also give up their time to fund raise or be patrons to further the charity's cause. I have no problem with people asking me to donate to charity and I select the ones that I choose to donate to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A lot of rich and famous people donate a lot to charity but don't tend to shout about it. They also give up their time to fund raise or be patrons to further the charity's cause. I have no problem with people asking me to donate to charity and I select the ones that I choose to donate to."

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By *mp411 OP Man
over a year ago

chester

8 million from his multi multi million fortune is a drop in the ocean he could give 2/3rds and still have more money than any of us will ever see

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Charity begins at home

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"This always irks me too, being asked to donate money by multi millionaires.

Why? It's not their sole responsibility to fix everything just because they're wealthy. The majority do give vast sums to charity, but they don't have to give all their money.

Do you give away all of your disposable income?

There's an element of social responsibility to charity. Everyone is as responsible as everyone else.

Am I not allowed to be irked by people who’s hubcaps on their car that probably cost more than the place I live in asking for me to donate money.

I will continue to feel irked and nothing you say will make me change my mind. "

Am i not allowed to challenge opinion on these forums? I shall continue to do so and nothing you say will make me stop.

I feel it very narrow minded and actually quite selfish for people to think that charity is everyone else's problem and not theirs. Yes, celebrities earn a lot of money and but nice things with it but as I say the majority give vast sums to charity. They use their status to bring important issues to them into the public forum with the hope yo raise even more money. And it works.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"8 million from his multi multi million fortune is a drop in the ocean he could give 2/3rds and still have more money than any of us will ever see "

But why should he?

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By *lik and PaulCouple
over a year ago

Flagrante

"8 million from his multi multi million fortune is a drop in the ocean he could give 2/3rds and still have more money than any of us will ever see "

It's all relative.....feel free to give up 2/3rds or your income to set an example.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hey I'm a muliti-millionaire and I probably pay less tax on my wealth than some poor sod on minimum wage. Please give generously to whatever cause I'm endorsing. And then by my latest album/book/tickets with whatever you've got left"

Fucking arseholes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well said this is why i hate things like children in need all the rich celebs begging the "poor pennieless working class"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Or am I over estimating the rich and famous?"

Children in need alone raised 50 million this year. You can't expect celebrities to donate that. They most likely do donate to the charities they are highlighting also. Don't see what the problem is x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's like getting irked at an actor acting in a new movie because they already made millions from a previous film. If you'll give money to watch that film and make that actor more wealthy, why get offended when that actor uses their name and reputation to endorse a charity and asks you to donate?

If I'm wealthy and I use my name to forward a charitable cause, that's pro-bono work and I've allowed that charity to use my name for free. Endorsements and promotion is not free. I don't get the anger towards people who have earned their wealth and actually dare to enjoy some of it.

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By *mp411 OP Man
over a year ago

chester

"8 million from his multi multi million fortune is a drop in the ocean he could give 2/3rds and still have more money than any of us will ever see

It's all relative.....feel free to give up 2/3rds or your income to set an example."

If I had their insane wealth I would just to prove a point

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"8 million from his multi multi million fortune is a drop in the ocean he could give 2/3rds and still have more money than any of us will ever see

It's all relative.....feel free to give up 2/3rds or your income to set an example.

If I had their insane wealth I would just to prove a point

But that's not what they were saying. For all things to be equal you should give away all of your disposable income as that what you're expecting celebrities to do.

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By *SAchickWoman
over a year ago

Hillside desolate

"That's like getting irked at an actor acting in a new movie because they already made millions from a previous film. If you'll give money to watch that film and make that actor more wealthy, why get offended when that actor uses their name and reputation to endorse a charity and asks you to donate?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

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By *egasus NobMan
over a year ago

Merton

No, it is not the acting is their job.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

Or am I over estimating the rich and famous?"

I'm not sure what you're getting at. Are you saying a celebrity is asking for themselves or are they the face of an appeal?

If the latter, what is your point? We live in a celebrity culture. The celebrities don't take a fee, generate interest in the charity enabling us all to help if we're that way inclined.

I struggle to understand why some people think millionaires should give away all their disposable income.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"This always irks me too, being asked to donate money by multi millionaires.

Why? It's not their sole responsibility to fix everything just because they're wealthy. The majority do give vast sums to charity, but they don't have to give all their money.

Do you give away all of your disposable income?

There's an element of social responsibility to charity. Everyone is as responsible as everyone else. "

Not just me then.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"The celebrity isn't asking for money for themselves,they are asking on behalf of the charity.

Most probably giving their time and endorsement free for a cause they believe in.

You nor anybody else knows how much they give personally.

Charities like a face the public knows to front their causes,and the British and Irish public are the most charitable people in the world.

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By *hickennchipsWoman
over a year ago

up above the streets and houses

I agree with the OP. It’s about time these celebrities put their money where their mouths are!

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

No, it is not the acting is their job."

Do you give away all your salary?

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"I agree with the OP. It’s about time these celebrities put their money where their mouths are!

Do you know for sure they don't?

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By *hickennchipsWoman
over a year ago

up above the streets and houses

"I agree with the OP. It’s about time these celebrities put their money where their mouths are!

Do you know for sure they don't? "

Do you know they do?

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By *mp411 OP Man
over a year ago

chester

My point being if the celebrity’s gave some of their wealth they wouldn’t need to ask the public who are struggling to make ends meet

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

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By *hickennchipsWoman
over a year ago

up above the streets and houses

"My point being if the celebrity’s gave some of their wealth they wouldn’t need to ask the public who are struggling to make ends meet "

Especially with the ridiculous amounts of money some of these celebs are paid to say kick a ball around or drive a car!

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By *egasus NobMan
over a year ago

Merton

No, it is not the acting is their job.

Do you give away all your salary? "

Go to any rich surround area in London and supermarket you will not see any charity collection person/buckets, then go to your average town centre charity collection everywhere, what does that tell you.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"My point being if the celebrity’s gave some of their wealth they wouldn’t need to ask the public who are struggling to make ends meet "

I think you're missing the point.

They are not asking for themselves. Even Bill Gates can't fund everything. It's about social responsibility. They are the face of the appeal, you don't have to donate to celebrity appeals, just give all your disposable income to your local charity.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"8 million from his multi multi million fortune is a drop in the ocean he could give 2/3rds and still have more money than any of us will ever see

It's all relative.....feel free to give up 2/3rds or your income to set an example.

If I had their insane wealth I would just to prove a point

In case you didn't know, Bill Gates has been giving away his entire $90 Billion fortune for over 18 years to good causes. He hasn't been doing it to "prove a point", he's been doing it because he wants to. He has also said that if there is anything left after he dies, his children will give away what's left until it's all gone. Just that one man and his family have given more to charities world wide than ALL the charities in the uk put together.

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By *est Wales WifeCouple
over a year ago

Near Carmarthen

Lewis Hamilton avoided paying tax on his private jet through an IOM scheme whilst pleading for money on Children in Need.

If he and others paid their due tax in the first place we wouldn't need such charities. Just saying.

The amount of money held offshore and not paying tax far exceeds any benefit fraud in the UK. Meanwhile you'll only hear about the latter in the Daily Mail etc.

Funnily enough, the current Lord Rothermere, Jonathan Harmsworth, inherited the Daily Mail ‘through a Jersey trust, and a Bermuda-registered offshore entity’, and is a non-dom, in order to avoid paying millions in taxes on his mansion,

The sooner people wake up and realise what is going on the better.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

No, it is not the acting is their job.

Do you give away all your salary?

That they give direct to charities and not in collection pots.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"My point being if the celebrity’s gave some of their wealth they wouldn’t need to ask the public who are struggling to make ends meet

Especially with the ridiculous amounts of money some of these celebs are paid to say kick a ball around or drive a car!

So I'm guessing you don't watch football or f1 or movies or TV if you don't agree with how they manage their finances.

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By *egasus NobMan
over a year ago

Merton

I guess the question is where is the money going?

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By *lik and PaulCouple
over a year ago

Flagrante

"8 million from his multi multi million fortune is a drop in the ocean he could give 2/3rds and still have more money than any of us will ever see

It's all relative.....feel free to give up 2/3rds or your income to set an example.

If I had their insane wealth I would just to prove a point

But that's not what they were saying. For all things to be equal you should give away all of your disposable income as that what you're expecting celebrities to do. "

Exactly...every little helps

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By *obyn GravesTV/TS
over a year ago

1127 walnut avenue

pisses me off..only the other day i came out of bromley by bow tube station only to be confronted by danny dyer asking for spare change..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

No, it is not the acting is their job.

Do you give away all your salary?

I shop in Sainsbury's in Dulwich and Forest Hill, there's always someone rattling a can. Try getting out of Clapham Junction station in the morning, it's like walking a maze dodging the collection tins.

Come October the armed forces send their fittest and best to stand in uniform with their tins...can't understand why it's mostly women who stop and donate.

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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago

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"My point being if the celebrity’s gave some of their wealth they wouldn’t need to ask the public who are struggling to make ends meet "

But how do you know they're not? There are numerous celebrities who regularly give not only money but time and other benefits to charity, they just choose not to shout about it and in a lot of cases they probably give a bigger %age of their money than the average man on the street.

Yes there are *some* who use an event as a means to sell more books/albums/whatever but that is a bi-product of their endorsement that can't be avoided.

Charities use celebrities to endorse and promote them because the average person on the street is more likely to donate based on a celebrity asking them to than someone unknown.

You say celebrities should give their wealth to the charities almost as if you're suggesting that would avoid the need for you to have to - and my question to that is which is more wrong?

And if your response is that you'd still donate and maybe be more inclined to if celebrities did (which still assumes they don't in the first place which is incorrect) if you're expectation is that celebrities should give over 66% of their disposable income - would you give over 66% of yours?

I actually think you're picking on the wrong people here - had your question been should the likes of the Catholic Church or the Church Of England hand over a larger sum of their wealth to charitable causes then I'd have backed you completely

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Never used to bother me, then I saw Bono fronting some charity thing, begging people to donate

Then I read he paid thousands of pounds to have his hat flown out to him, fucking hypocritical cunt he is

I don't donate to charity,because not all of the money goes where it's needed.

Sorry, but these nations supported by charities such as comic relief are not getting out of poverty, despite the millions raised we are seeing the same images year in and year out. It's time people woke up to the governmental corruption,they want to keep their people oppressed, they do not want progression. That's why only so much aid is let through.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Never used to bother me, then I saw Bono fronting some charity thing, begging people to donate

Then I read he paid thousands of pounds to have his hat flown out to him, fucking hypocritical cunt he is

I don't donate to charity,because not all of the money goes where it's needed.

Why does that make him a hypocrite. Did he tell other people not to fly their hat out?

I have, this morning, read the Spin article on live aid which says how the money raised was used by the etheopian dictator to further their civil war. Perhaps we in the Western world were and are still a bit naive as to how these countries operate. At the time of live aid no one knew or understood that thats how they would use their money.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Never used to bother me, then I saw Bono fronting some charity thing, begging people to donate

Then I read he paid thousands of pounds to have his hat flown out to him, fucking hypocritical cunt he is

I don't donate to charity,because not all of the money goes where it's needed.

Why does that make him a hypocrite. Did he tell other people not to fly their hat out?

Yup, the info is there, yet some still get sucked in by it, and millions will be raised again

Re: Bono, it is my perception of it, because you can't front these charities, plead their poverty then pull stunts like that imho. Again, if we agreed all the time on various issues the world would be boring

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

Yeah, it annoys me. It also annoys me when "celebrity" chefs who spend more on food per day than some have per month tell people how to eat well on a budget, when someone tells me they can't afford to eat then sparks up a fag, when people say the homeless "brought in on themselves", when people tell me that foodbanks are only used because people can't manage their money.

Nobody would listen to me if I went on telly and asked for donations though.

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By *ormerWelshcouple2020Man
over a year ago

Stourbridge

I am very annoyed by “celebrities “ telling me how to vote.

If you need a pop singer or actor to tell you how to vote then you shouldn’t have the vote.

To lend their celebrity to highlight an injustice or social calamity is different, or , indeed, to make people aware that irrespective of their party allegiance that it’s up to them to actually vote.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well known tax avoider Gary Barlow gets my back up every time his smug face appears on Children In Need. Don't get me started on Bono and the rest of U2

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

Could it be that using celebrities to ask for donations (I don't think its begging) is actually having the opppsite effect

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No, it is not the acting is their job.

Do you give away all your salary?

That they give direct to charities and not in collection pots. "

Exactly

It tells me that you need to put collection buckets in people's faces because most of them won't seek out charities to give their money to directly, whereas the wealthy are known and cannot fly under the radar like the ordinary person. It's like some are angered that the wealthy didn't eliminate the need for them to do their own part. It's an excuse not to give.

Consider that people who can comment online and have internet, a job, good delicious food to eat, clean water, are safe and enjoy good healthcare are actually the wealthiest people on the planet and if you'd stop looking at who is wealthier than yourself you'd realise that millions are looking at you in the same way. They probably also question why you don't give all your wealth to help them too because you live in opulence and abundance yet you point a finger at other wealthy people. It's mechanisms of defence at its finest. Look at those way lower than you. Right, now do the decent thing and give away your wealth so you can live like the poor. Sound of crickets.

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By *mp411 OP Man
over a year ago

chester

No, it is not the acting is their job.

Do you give away all your salary?

That they give direct to charities and not in collection pots.

Exactly

I work and pay tax like everyone else yes I have nice luxuries not often but I still give to a select few charities RNLI and if I could afford I would give more but I wouldn’t consider asking a homeless person for a donation

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By *SAchickWoman
over a year ago

Hillside desolate

No, it is not the acting is their job.

Do you give away all your salary?

That they give direct to charities and not in collection pots.

Exactly

Who decides what level of luxury is acceptable then? Why not forego your luxuries to give more to charity?

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By *mp411 OP Man
over a year ago

chester

No, it is not the acting is their job.

Do you give away all your salary?

That they give direct to charities and not in collection pots.

Exactly

Who decides what level of luxury is acceptable then? Why not forego your luxuries to give more to charity? "

Do you?

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By *SAchickWoman
over a year ago

Hillside desolate

No, it is not the acting is their job.

Do you give away all your salary?

That they give direct to charities and not in collection pots.

Exactly

Who decides what level of luxury is acceptable then? Why not forego your luxuries to give more to charity?

Do you?"

I've not started a thread complaining about how much people give to charity though. You think celebrities don't give enough, maybe that homeless person on the street thinks you don't give enough. Wealth is relative. So where's the line?

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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

No, it is not the acting is their job.

Do you give away all your salary?

That they give direct to charities and not in collection pots.

Exactly

Who decides what level of luxury is acceptable then? Why not forego your luxuries to give more to charity?

Do you?"

Whether NSA does or doesn't is not the point - you're the one saying celebrities should give more and effectively give up their "luxuries" - so in the same respect are you prepared to do so?

Or are you as hypocritical as you are suggesting the celebrities are?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I agree with the OP. It’s about time these celebrities put their money where their mouths are!

They probably do but do it quietly.

If they donated and then said they had donated you would get people complaining they were showing off.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

Are people actually telling me that if they could save money on tax bills they wouldn't?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"8 million from his multi multi million fortune is a drop in the ocean he could give 2/3rds and still have more money than any of us will ever see

But why should he? "

Also in 1984 he probably didn't have 8 million he was only a singer in a moderately successful band, it's not that well paid!

What he did have to give was time, and an address book.

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By *mp411 OP Man
over a year ago

chester

No, it is not the acting is their job.

Do you give away all your salary?

That they give direct to charities and not in collection pots.

Exactly

Who decides what level of luxury is acceptable then? Why not forego your luxuries to give more to charity?

Do you?

Whether NSA does or doesn't is not the point - you're the one saying celebrities should give more and effectively give up their "luxuries" - so in the same respect are you prepared to do so?

Or are you as hypocritical as you are suggesting the celebrities are?"

No what I’m saying is if the celebrity gave what they can easily afford the charities wouldn’t need to ask for donations from the general public

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

No, it is not the acting is their job.

Do you give away all your salary?

That they give direct to charities and not in collection pots.

Exactly

Who decides what level of luxury is acceptable then? Why not forego your luxuries to give more to charity?

Do you?

Whether NSA does or doesn't is not the point - you're the one saying celebrities should give more and effectively give up their "luxuries" - so in the same respect are you prepared to do so?

Or are you as hypocritical as you are suggesting the celebrities are?

No what I’m saying is if the celebrity gave what they can easily afford the charities wouldn’t need to ask for donations from the general public "

But why should social responsibility only apply to celebrities?

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By *esparate danMan
over a year ago

glasgow

I cant help thinking eddie izzard doing it in full make up is somewhat disingenuous

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

"I cant help thinking eddie izzard doing it in full make up is somewhat disingenuous"

Really!? How so?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"I cant help thinking eddie izzard doing it in full make up is somewhat disingenuous"

What? Why?

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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

Who decides what level of luxury is acceptable then? Why not forego your luxuries to give more to charity?

Do you?

Whether NSA does or doesn't is not the point - you're the one saying celebrities should give more and effectively give up their "luxuries" - so in the same respect are you prepared to do so?

Or are you as hypocritical as you are suggesting the celebrities are?

No what I’m saying is if the celebrity gave what they can easily afford the charities wouldn’t need to ask for donations from the general public "

So you ARE saying that celebrities should give so you don't have to!!

Which is even more hypocritical than I thought!!

As I said earlier, I think you're picking on the wrong target here - if you'd said organised religions (particularly the Christian based ones) should give more to charity rather than sitting on their wealth then you'd have had my full support.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

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No what I’m saying is if the celebrity gave what they can easily afford the charities wouldn’t need to ask for donations from the general public "

I think quite a few people are of the opinion that the more successful you are the more responsible you should be for society. To an extent I agree. I think we should all take proportionate responsibility. I don't think another person's greater wealth should absolve the rest of us from doing our bit though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Personally if all these celebrities had to pay paye tax like the rest of us instead of having dodgy off shore tax avoidance arrangements then maybe charities wouldn't need to appeal.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

People using their profile to further a cause is frowned on now.........

It’s not all down to cash it’s also about awareness surely.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes, and some of them charge the Charity a fee for doing so.

A number of years ago, me and a good friend were involved with a charity event (we were providing backing music at a fashion show). They had a local Radio presenter there to front it - not even someone I'd actually heard of before.

Whilst we gave our time up for free, we later learned that the 'personality' had charged a fee.

We therefore suggested to those putting the thing together that if they wished to dispense with the leeching 'personality' the following year, we would front it, meaning more of the money raised would go to the good causes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You don’t give to watch a film, you pay to watch a film. You pay because it’s a product and you get something in return.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

You don’t give to watch a film, you pay to watch a film. You pay because it’s a product and you get something in return. "

What do you get?

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over a year ago

You don’t give to watch a film, you pay to watch a film. You pay because it’s a product and you get something in return. "

Exactly my point! When you're not getting something in return, you won't spend your money! So it's not the celebrity that you're against, you're against charity! You believe that you shouldn't have to give charity because there's someone who has more money than you. But that's so unjust because if you didn't give your money freely to make that celebrity rich then why would you suggest that their money absolves you of your duty? I can see if you didn't get anything in return and you freely gave that person your money. But that person is not wealthy off of your charity. You buy products from them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"8 million from his multi multi million fortune is a drop in the ocean he could give 2/3rds and still have more money than any of us will ever see "

Queen worth 8 billion and her “subjects” can’t get a hospital bed or a place to sleep.....just sayin

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who decides what level of luxury is acceptable then? Why not forego your luxuries to give more to charity?

Do you?

Whether NSA does or doesn't is not the point - you're the one saying celebrities should give more and effectively give up their "luxuries" - so in the same respect are you prepared to do so?

Or are you as hypocritical as you are suggesting the celebrities are?

No what I’m saying is if the celebrity gave what they can easily afford the charities wouldn’t need to ask for donations from the general public

So you ARE saying that celebrities should give so you don't have to!!

Which is even more hypocritical than I thought!!

Yes, that's what they're saying. So the celebrities and the wealthy should turn around and say, well the government's of the world and the central bank is more wealthy than us so let them solve the world's problems. If you're not the wealthiest, just point to the one who's wealthier than you and you're automatically on higher moral ground! Honestly, it's quite a repugnant way to think because we are literally living the wealthiest lifestyles in the world. We are amongst the very small percentage of people who have all the wealth. If you travel to a poor country YOU'RE A CELEBRITY!! So why don't you give all your wealth away for those people? It's hypocrisy

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By *rincess PhoenixWoman
over a year ago

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The British public raise millions for overseas aid but the money doesn't seem to be doing any good mainly because it goes into corrupt governments pockets instead of to the people who need it which raises the question why are we still giving to these causes?!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I grudge being asked to part with my hard-earned cash by tax dodgers, but I don't actually mind when it's folk like say, Ed Sheeran. Can't stand his music but he pays his taxes & gives back, while raising awareness.

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Or am I over estimating the rich and famous?"

Assuming this was for a charity, is there a reason you are assuming celebrities don’t give money to charity?

Would you prefer it they declared publicly how much money they give to charity as I assume you do?

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"The British public raise millions for overseas aid but the money doesn't seem to be doing any good mainly because it goes into corrupt governments pockets instead of to the people who need it which raises the question why are we still giving to these causes?!"

Is that an actual fact, or a myth dredged up from when things were quite different?

Foreign aid given directly to governments decades ago may have ended up in the wrong hands.

But I think charities are much better now at spending money more directly on projects.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"I grudge being asked to part with my hard-earned cash by tax dodgers, but I don't actually mind when it's folk like say, Ed Sheeran. Can't stand his music but he pays his taxes & gives back, while raising awareness. "

I take it you've seen his tax returns?

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"I think you missed the point Evie.....

Instead of asking the public for money donate some of their own first and people would donate too....

Sir bob geldoff never gave a penny of his money to help in Africa for the first live aid "

I find that hard to believe. But even if he didn’t, presumably he put in an untold number amount of his time in organising Band Aid and Live Aid. Whatever else, he got of his arse and did something pretty incredible. But I guess it’s pretty easy to sit at a keyboard and still slag him off for not doing enough.

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

I guess the question is where is the money going?"

If only there was a way of finding that out....

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over a year ago

I guess the question is where is the money going?

If only there was a way of finding that out...."

There is, you only have to look at the Bill Gates foundation expenses to see exactly where the money is spent.

Just to add to this thread a bit, i was one of the sound engineers at the "Live aid" event one of my uncles was also a lighting engineer at the same gig. While we were putting the stage and lighting rig up, there was no food provided at all. On the morning before the gig went live on tv, the "feed the world " banner was lifted up on the top of the stage. The lighting crew took it down and lifted another banner "Never mind the fucking world what about the crew"

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over a year ago

"I think you missed the point Evie.....

Instead of asking the public for money donate some of their own first and people would donate too....

Sir bob geldoff never gave a penny of his money to help in Africa for the first live aid

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"I agree with the OP. It’s about time these celebrities put their money where their mouths are!

What would you like them to do?

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

""Hey I'm a muliti-millionaire and I probably pay less tax on my wealth than some poor sod on minimum wage. Please give generously to whatever cause I'm endorsing. And then by my latest album/book/tickets with whatever you've got left"

Fucking arseholes"

I don’t think that’s quite how it works.

What would you prefer to happen?

If you were a celebrity, and you were asked to participate as part of the show, would turn round and say no? Explaining that you were too concerned about small minded people on Internet forums accusing you of doing it purely out of self interest?

Never mind that if everyone did that, there would be no show, and they would only raise a fraction of what they do.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

I guess the question is where is the money going?

If only there was a way of finding that out....

There is, you only have to look at the Bill Gates foundation expenses to see exactly where the money is spent.

So you expected a charity gig to feed you for free on a thread bemoaning the greed of celebrities? Interesting.

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Caitlin Moran puts all of this better than anyone:

“You know how this goes. Bono, or Russell Brand, or Emma Thompson, or Charlotte Church, speak out in defence of welfare, or the working poor, and are immediately derided as “champagne socialists” by the professionally snide.

The denouncing of champagne socialists always follows a strict format – mentioning the price of the house the champagne socialist lives in, their income/net worth, whether or not they went to public school, if their children do, and accompanying it with a picture of the champagne socialist either dressed up to the nines on a red carpet (how can they attend a movie premiere when the poor cannot attend a movie premiere!) or looking angry and shouting at a demonstration. (This person is crazed with socialism! Look at them snarl! Socialism is the ultimate Bitchy Resting Face! You will need Botox now, for sure!)

The demented logic seems to be as follows: that you cannot stand up for the poor unless you are poor yourself. That if you have managed to accrue any wealth and security, unless you have subsequently given away every penny of it to charities for the poor, you are a hypocrite to speak about the poor. Only the poor can speak about, and for, the poor. So, if you are a real socialist, you must yourself stay poor for ever.

Of course, there are several, very obvious, logical flaws in this argument. The first is a fundamental misunderstanding of socialism.

There are many misunderstandings about what a socialist is: primarily that it’s someone who wears a donkey jacket and lives by a brazier, possibly in 1979, and listens only to Billy Bragg. Well, I know loads of socialists like this, and they’re ace. They get shit done. But that’s not socialism. That’s people. People who like old coats and Billy Bragg.

Socialism is just a single, simple sentence: the belief that the necessities for the functioning of a society should be provided without profit. So that’s health, education, welfare, transport, the emergency services, the prison service and the justice system, paid for by taxation, and available to everyone, regardless of wealth. No paying Serco millions for running overcrowded jails. No G4S – the guys who fucked up the Olympics – still being paid by the government, despite being investigated by the serious fraud office for massively overcharging.

There’s nothing in socialism that prevents Charlotte Church from living in a nice house, walking a red carpet and, after paying her taxes, earning millions a year. If she were a champagne anarchic communist, who believed that all property is theft, and that money should be abolished, then she would be a hypocrite.

Champagne socialists, on the other hand, are people who could personally pay for an open return standard ticket to Manchester that costs £329 since privatisation, but recognise that other people can’t, and are suggesting that, maybe, society would function better if rail travel were cheaper, so everyone could use it.

What people who denounce champagne socialists are doing is, essentially, trying to shame people who have empathy. Now, that’s a bad day down the opinion mines in anyone’s book.“

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I take it you've seen his tax returns? "

Yeah had a nice read of them with a cuppa. No, but was pretty well documented that he paid more tax in 2017 than Amazon did.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No, it is not the acting is their job.

Do you give away all your salary?

That they give direct to charities and not in collection pots.

Exactly

Who decides what level of luxury is acceptable then? Why not forego your luxuries to give more to charity?

Do you?

Absolutely agree.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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Sir bob geldoff never gave a penny of his money to help in Africa for the first live aid

No. He just raised £8m for it through the release of 'do they know it's christmas'. "

He didn't, the people who bought the single raised the money

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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Come October the armed forces send their fittest and best to stand in uniform with their tins...can't understand why it's mostly women who stop and donate.

Any chance you need a visitor in October

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"Well known tax avoider Gary Barlow gets my back up every time his smug face appears on Children In Need. Don't get me started on Bono and the rest of U2"

Gary Barlow did a charity thing ( could have been children in need ) with Cheryl Cole and a few others climbing a mountain. Obviously it was advertised so we could all dip our hands on our pockets. At the end of it he hired a private jet to take them all home. Now OK he might have already donated money, but he could have donated more if they had gone by bus ( OK bus maybe a bit too far, but a normal run of the mill plane would have done)

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

I guess the question is where is the money going?

If only there was a way of finding that out....

There is, you only have to look at the Bill Gates foundation expenses to see exactly where the money is spent.

Couldn't you have bought your own egg butty?

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Well known tax avoider Gary Barlow gets my back up every time his smug face appears on Children In Need. Don't get me started on Bono and the rest of U2

That’s a ridiculous way to look at it.

Do you ever donate money to charity?

Do you ever spend money on anything, ever, that isn’t an essential?

Maybe if you hadn’t bought those new shoes you didn’t need, for example, you could have donated more to charity?

Why is it one rule for celebrities, and one rule for everyone else.

As above, the Caitlin Moran article I posted above says it better than I can.

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over a year ago

"Well known tax avoider Gary Barlow gets my back up every time his smug face appears on Children In Need. Don't get me started on Bono and the rest of U2

That’s a ridiculous way to look at it.

Do you ever donate money to charity?

Do you ever spend money on anything, ever, that isn’t an essential?

Maybe if you hadn’t bought those new shoes you didn’t need, for example, you could have donated more to charity?

Why is it one rule for celebrities, and one rule for everyone else.

As above, the Caitlin Moran article I posted above says it better than I can.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"Well known tax avoider Gary Barlow gets my back up every time his smug face appears on Children In Need. Don't get me started on Bono and the rest of U2

That’s a ridiculous way to look at it.

Do you ever donate money to charity?

Do you ever spend money on anything, ever, that isn’t an essential?

Maybe if you hadn’t bought those new shoes you didn’t need, for example, you could have donated more to charity?

Why is it one rule for celebrities, and one rule for everyone else.

As above, the Caitlin Moran article I posted above says it better than I can.

It isn't. It is just different to how you obviously think.

Maybe

I didn't say it was

Never read the article

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

There's an element of social responsibility to charity. Everyone is as responsible as everyone else. "

I don't agree..we pay taxes and government gives money to charity.. that is where it ends for me..

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

No. He just raised £8m for it through the release of 'do they know it's christmas'. "

And they are still starving..

Money well spent ..not..

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

No. He just raised £8m for it through the release of 'do they know it's christmas'.

And they are still starving..

Money well spent ..not.."

Well, that’s not quite what happened at all. But don’t let facts get in the way.

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Well known tax avoider Gary Barlow gets my back up every time his smug face appears on Children In Need. Don't get me started on Bono and the rest of U2

That’s a ridiculous way to look at it.

Do you ever donate money to charity?

Do you ever spend money on anything, ever, that isn’t an essential?

Maybe if you hadn’t bought those new shoes you didn’t need, for example, you could have donated more to charity?

Why is it one rule for celebrities, and one rule for everyone else.

As above, the Caitlin Moran article I posted above says it better than I can.

It isn't. It is just different to how you obviously think.

Maybe

I didn't say it was

Never read the article

It is ridiculous to think that unless people donate all their disposable income to charity they are somehow bad people.

And your maybes speak volumes.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"Well known tax avoider Gary Barlow gets my back up every time his smug face appears on Children In Need. Don't get me started on Bono and the rest of U2

That’s a ridiculous way to look at it.

Do you ever donate money to charity?

Do you ever spend money on anything, ever, that isn’t an essential?

Maybe if you hadn’t bought those new shoes you didn’t need, for example, you could have donated more to charity?

Why is it one rule for celebrities, and one rule for everyone else.

As above, the Caitlin Moran article I posted above says it better than I can.

It isn't. It is just different to how you obviously think.

Maybe

I didn't say it was

Never read the article

It is ridiculous to think that unless people donate all their disposable income to charity they are somehow bad people.

I didn't say that at all.Maybe re read my post

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

No. He just raised £8m for it through the release of 'do they know it's christmas'.

And they are still starving..

Money well spent ..not.."

Is that Bob's fault?

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Well known tax avoider Gary Barlow gets my back up every time his smug face appears on Children In Need. Don't get me started on Bono and the rest of U2

That’s a ridiculous way to look at it.

Do you ever donate money to charity?

Do you ever spend money on anything, ever, that isn’t an essential?

Maybe if you hadn’t bought those new shoes you didn’t need, for example, you could have donated more to charity?

Why is it one rule for celebrities, and one rule for everyone else.

As above, the Caitlin Moran article I posted above says it better than I can.

It isn't. It is just different to how you obviously think.

Maybe

I didn't say it was

Never read the article

It is ridiculous to think that unless people donate all their disposable income to charity they are somehow bad people.

I didn't say that at all.Maybe re read my post

OK, maybe not ‘a bad person’. But you definitely seemed to be being critical of him for spending money on something other than charity donations.

Presumably all of us do that. So I’d be interested in why you are critical of Barlow for doing something I think is very likely that you, I, or pretty much anyone else also does?

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over a year ago

"Caitlin Moran puts all of this better than anyone:

Of course, there are several, very obvious, logical flaws in this argument. The first is a fundamental misunderstanding of socialism.

What people who denounce champagne socialists are doing is, essentially, trying to shame people who have empathy. Now, that’s a bad day down the opinion mines in anyone’s book.“"

Caitlin for the win.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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Presumably all of us do that. So I’d be interested in why you are critical of Barlow for doing something I think is very likely that you, I, or pretty much anyone else also does?

I didn't. He can spend his money how he likes and when he likes just like you and me can do the same

What doesn't stand with me is asking people who may not be able to afford it to donate to a cause that you climbed a mountain for because you thought it deserved it while paying for a private jet to take all the celebs home because they had a bad time on the mountain. The people who need the money donating were probably having a much worse time and I personally can't understand how they manage to separate the two

If it was me doing something for charity it would stick in my throat as it would feel like I wasn't really thinking of the people who I was highlighting as being in need.

The only way I can describe it is they are on auto doing what is expected of them but not really thinking of the issue if you know what I mean? Most who do CIN seem to have an album coming out very soon, am I being too cynical?

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

No. He just raised £8m for it through the release of 'do they know it's christmas'.

And they are still starving..

Money well spent ..not..

Is that Bob's fault?"

No but he was bloomin optimistic to think it would make any difference to anybody apart from the middlemen and warlords...

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

There is a footballer.. I can't remember his name.. but when he is wheeled out to promote charity he freaked apparently and said, not my feckin money ..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think you missed the point Evie.....

Instead of asking the public for money donate some of their own first and people would donate too....

Sir bob geldoff never gave a penny of his money to help in Africa for the first live aid "

Bob geldoff needs to fuck off and die what a cunt twat he is

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

No. He just raised £8m for it through the release of 'do they know it's christmas'.

And they are still starving..

Money well spent ..not..

Well, that’s not quite what happened at all. But don’t let facts get in the way.

That's exactly what happened.

We still see that poverty with children with swollen bellies and flies in their eyes.. Geldof made little difference if any .. Fact

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

No. He just raised £8m for it through the release of 'do they know it's christmas'.

And they are still starving..

Money well spent ..not..

Well, that’s not quite what happened at all. But don’t let facts get in the way.

That's exactly what happened.

We still see that poverty with children with swollen bellies and flies in their eyes.. Geldof made little difference if any .. Fact"
.

You do realise that the whole point wasn’t actually solve the problem of third world poverty? It was why they called it BandAid, and not the Universal End to Povery and Starvation.

Presumably you think things like soup kitchens and hostels are a waste of time too, because they don’t actually eliminate homelessness?

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

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I would love to know how much sir Bob gives of his own money ..next to buck all is my guess

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city

I don't mind them asking for money, they are just trying to highlight something and probably do donate themselves.

I do mind when they put someone like Ewan McGregor on an advert asking for money for children after he defended a child rapi st

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Presumably all of us do that. So I’d be interested in why you are critical of Barlow for doing something I think is very likely that you, I, or pretty much anyone else also does?

I didn't. He can spend his money how he likes and when he likes just like you and me can do the same

If it was me doing something for charity it would stick in my throat as it would feel like I wasn't really thinking of the people who I was highlighting as being in need.

Of course you’re being too cynical. How on earth does how they travelled to or from Kilimanjaro have anything to do with what they think of the cause?

I don’t get this notion that celebs are somehow incapable of giving a shit about things just because they are celebs.

You know how a lot of people from all over the country run the London Marathon for charity each year? Do you think they are just as guilty of not really caring if they get the train home, or even fly home?

Who was in Children in Need this year? Even if they do, so what? Doesn’t it make sense to have current artists in, rather than has been a from years ago?

As I asked earlier, if you were in that position and asked to appear, would you say no? Or might you want to do your bit to support the event?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"I would love to know how much sir Bob gives of his own money ..next to buck all is my guess"

Why is that your guess and why is it any of your business?

Are you going to disclose your charitable donations as a percentage of your salary?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

No. He just raised £8m for it through the release of 'do they know it's christmas'.

And they are still starving..

Money well spent ..not..

Well, that’s not quite what happened at all. But don’t let facts get in the way.

That's exactly what happened.

We still see that poverty with children with swollen bellies and flies in their eyes.. Geldof made little difference if any .. Fact"

Again...not Bob's fault

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"I think you missed the point Evie.....

Instead of asking the public for money donate some of their own first and people would donate too....

Sir bob geldoff never gave a penny of his money to help in Africa for the first live aid

Bob geldoff needs to fuck off and die what a cunt twat he is"

What truly awful thing to say. Vile.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"There is a footballer.. I can't remember his name.. but when he is wheeled out to promote charity he freaked apparently and said, not my feckin money .."

Cool story

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

No. He just raised £8m for it through the release of 'do they know it's christmas'.

And they are still starving..

Money well spent ..not..

Well, that’s not quite what happened at all. But don’t let facts get in the way.

That's exactly what happened.

We still see that poverty with children with swollen bellies and flies in their eyes.. Geldof made little difference if any .. Fact.

You do realise that the whole point wasn’t actually solve the problem of third world poverty? It was why they called it BandAid, and not the Universal End to Povery and Starvation.

Presumably you think things like soup kitchens and hostels are a waste of time too, because they don’t actually eliminate homelessness?"

It was all about Ethiopia

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

"I think you missed the point Evie.....

Instead of asking the public for money donate some of their own first and people would donate too....

Sir bob geldoff never gave a penny of his money to help in Africa for the first live aid

Bob geldoff needs to fuck off and die what a cunt twat he is

What truly awful thing to say. Vile. "

I think saying he needs to fuck off , and that he’s a cunt twat is perfectly reasonable . To say he needs to die is a little bit over the top .

I’ve met him a few times , and that’s what I base this on .

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

The point is..

Band Aid made no difference except prolong the starving

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over a year ago

"I would love to know how much sir Bob gives of his own money ..next to buck all is my guess"

But he gives his valuable time for free. You know, the time he could be spending making millions working on the next Boomtown Rats hit single

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"The point is..

Band Aid made no difference except prolong the starving "

I don’t think that’s really true. BandAid wasn’t responsible for prolonging anything, and it actually made quite a big difference in the short term. It also probably heightened awareness and contributed to longer term changes in how charities operate in Africa.

And I think things did improve in Ethiopia in subsequent years with less drought. That there were subsequent droughts where things were bad again can hardly be pinned in BandAid.

You didn’t say if you thought soup kitchens are a waste of time if the don’t eradicate homelessness. It wasn’t a rhetorical question...

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

You didn’t say if you thought soup kitchens are a waste of time if the don’t eradicate homelessness. It wasn’t a rhetorical question..."

I think soup kitchens are fantastic..

Food banks. Build them and they will come

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

You didn’t say if you thought soup kitchens are a waste of time if the don’t eradicate homelessness. It wasn’t a rhetorical question...

I think soup kitchens are fantastic..

Food banks. Build them and they will come "

OK.

So soup kitchens are fantastic even though they don’t eradicate homelessness....

But BandAid was a waste of time because it didn’t eradicate third world poverty.

That’s nothing if not a double standard.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

You didn’t say if you thought soup kitchens are a waste of time if the don’t eradicate homelessness. It wasn’t a rhetorical question...

I think soup kitchens are fantastic..

Food banks. Build them and they will come

OK.

So soup kitchens are fantastic even though they don’t eradicate homelessness....

But BandAid was a waste of time because it didn’t eradicate third world poverty.

That’s nothing if not a double standard."

Band Aid was not for world poverty. It was for Ethiopia

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"I think you missed the point Evie.....

Instead of asking the public for money donate some of their own first and people would donate too....

Sir bob geldoff never gave a penny of his money to help in Africa for the first live aid

Bob geldoff needs to fuck off and die what a cunt twat he is

What truly awful thing to say. Vile.

I think saying he needs to fuck off , and that he’s a cunt twat is perfectly reasonable . To say he needs to die is a little bit over the top .

I’ve met him a few times , and that’s what I base this on ."

Don't get me wrong, I thing Sir Bob is a bit of a bell end but to say he should die is just fucking awful (I know you dudnt say it)

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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Presumably all of us do that. So I’d be interested in why you are critical of Barlow for doing something I think is very likely that you, I, or pretty much anyone else also does?

I didn't. He can spend his money how he likes and when he likes just like you and me can do the same

If it was me doing something for charity it would stick in my throat as it would feel like I wasn't really thinking of the people who I was highlighting as being in need.

Of course you’re being too cynical. How on earth does how they travelled to or from Kilimanjaro have anything to do with what they think of the cause?

I don’t get this notion that celebs are somehow incapable of giving a shit about things just because they are celebs.

Who was in Children in Need this year? Even if they do, so what? Doesn’t it make sense to have current artists in, rather than has been a from years ago?

As I asked earlier, if you were in that position and asked to appear, would you say no? Or might you want to do your bit to support the event?"

I can't explain it anymore than I have. I am happy being a cynic