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"I'm not an early bird I'm not a night owl I'm some kind of permanently exhausted pigeon " I can totally relate to this. Coooo | |||
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"Get up earlier?! Nay sir....good God nay!!!! "As we know time is an artificial concept.. so if we changed our habits we won’t feel that we are waking up early.. Wake up with sunrise and go to bed when it gets dark | |||
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"Would it be better if we started our day earlier and made use of the daylight available to us? " No, if anything we need to abolish the idea of fixed start times and embrace more flexibility. | |||
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"Would it be better if we started our day earlier and made use of the daylight available to us? No, if anything we need to abolish the idea of fixed start times and embrace more flexibility. " At work? | |||
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"I'm not an early bird I'm not a night owl I'm some kind of permanently exhausted pigeon I can totally relate to this. Coooo" And a coooooo to you too  | |||
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"I'm not an early bird I'm not a night owl I'm some kind of permanently exhausted pigeon I can totally relate to this. Coooo And a coooooo to you too "I hear wedding bells  | |||
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"I'm not an early bird I'm not a night owl I'm some kind of permanently exhausted pigeon I can totally relate to this. Coooo And a coooooo to you too
I hear wedding bells "Didn't you know, pigeons are terrified of commitment  | |||
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"Would it be better if we started our day earlier and made use of the daylight available to us? No, if anything we need to abolish the idea of fixed start times and embrace more flexibility. At work? " Schools should be the priority. The scientific evidence is overwhelmingly clear that making teenagers start at 9am damages their brains. | |||
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"I'm up for a 2 day week and 5 day weekend if we are changing anything "I second that motion! | |||
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"I'm not an early bird I'm not a night owl I'm some kind of permanently exhausted pigeon " As long as you aren't the one that rests on the TV aerial above ma bedroom window and generously deposits its bottom droppings on it when it's open, then I think all is good fella  | |||
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"I'm not an early bird I'm not a night owl I'm some kind of permanently exhausted pigeon As long as you aren't the one that rests on the TV aerial above ma bedroom window and generously deposits its bottom droppings on it when it's open, then I think all is good fella "Nah that's Simon Sorry about him Simon's a bit of a dick Don't be a Simon | |||
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"Nah! More light in the evenings then people could do things after work and kids could play out. " If you started your day earlier you will have daylight left in the evenings to do things after work and for kids to play out | |||
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"Nah! More light in the evenings then people could do things after work and kids could play out. If you started your day earlier you will have daylight left in the evenings to do things after work and for kids to play out "You want me to go to work earlier  | |||
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"Nah! More light in the evenings then people could do things after work and kids could play out. If you started your day earlier you will have daylight left in the evenings to do things after work and for kids to play out
You want me to go to work earlier "If we worked around the daylight, you won’t even feel it 
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"Nah! More light in the evenings then people could do things after work and kids could play out. If you started your day earlier you will have daylight left in the evenings to do things after work and for kids to play out
You want me to go to work earlier
If we worked around the daylight, you won’t even feel it
How cool is that? "My days would be very short in the winter! | |||
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"Nah! More light in the evenings then people could do things after work and kids could play out. If you started your day earlier you will have daylight left in the evenings to do things after work and for kids to play out
You want me to go to work earlier
If we worked around the daylight, you won’t even feel it
How cool is that?
My days would be very short in the winter! "You gain that time in summer.. we lose 2-3 hours of daylight in the summer mornings | |||
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"Would it be better if we started our day earlier and made use of the daylight available to us?........... ............ Schools should be the priority. The scientific evidence is overwhelmingly clear that making teenagers start at 9am damages their brains. " How strange it didn't damage their brains before this current generation then. God help those of those who did school in the late 50's and started work/college back in the 1960s. Must have been the biggest coincidence/massive overdose of luck that enabled all those people to function and work in electronics/engineering/design etc. whilst also building their technical skill sets at Tech College on day release. At 17 my "day release"(and that of thousands of others) consisted of getting up at 0700 to wash, shave, have breakfast, walk a mile to catch a bus just after 8 to be in Tech by 9 for a full 12 hour day of lectures/labs from which you'd also cop a load of homework and lab reports to write up for next week in the spare time left over after you'd done the remaining 4 days at work. Yeah, starting at 9 fuddles their brains is somewhere up there along with sightings of Unicorns. Maybe if they got of the electronic procrastination machines that they're glued to until the wee small hours they'd be better equipped to face the day. | |||
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"Would it be better if we started our day earlier and made use of the daylight available to us?........... ............ Schools should be the priority. The scientific evidence is overwhelmingly clear that making teenagers start at 9am damages their brains. How strange it didn't damage their brains before this current generation then. God help those of those who did school in the late 50's and started work/college back in the 1960s. Must have been the biggest coincidence/massive overdose of luck that enabled all those people to function and work in electronics/engineering/design etc. whilst also building their technical skill sets at Tech College on day release. At 17 my "day release"(and that of thousands of others) consisted of getting up at 0700 to wash, shave, have breakfast, walk a mile to catch a bus just after 8 to be in Tech by 9 for a full 12 hour day of lectures/labs from which you'd also cop a load of homework and lab reports to write up for next week in the spare time left over after you'd done the remaining 4 days at work. Yeah, starting at 9 fuddles their brains is somewhere up there along with sightings of Unicorns. Maybe if they got of the electronic procrastination machines that they're glued to until the wee small hours they'd be better equipped to face the day. " Do you want to debate science or just chuck opinions around? | |||
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"Would it be better if we started our day earlier and made use of the daylight available to us?........... ............ Schools should be the priority. The scientific evidence is overwhelmingly clear that making teenagers start at 9am damages their brains. How strange it didn't damage their brains before this current generation then. God help those of those who did school in the late 50's and started work/college back in the 1960s. Must have been the biggest coincidence/massive overdose of luck that enabled all those people to function and work in electronics/engineering/design etc. whilst also building their technical skill sets at Tech College on day release. At 17 my "day release"(and that of thousands of others) consisted of getting up at 0700 to wash, shave, have breakfast, walk a mile to catch a bus just after 8 to be in Tech by 9 for a full 12 hour day of lectures/labs from which you'd also cop a load of homework and lab reports to write up for next week in the spare time left over after you'd done the remaining 4 days at work. Yeah, starting at 9 fuddles their brains is somewhere up there along with sightings of Unicorns. Maybe if they got of the electronic procrastination machines that they're glued to until the wee small hours they'd be better equipped to face the day. " So what’s your point?  | |||
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"Would it be better if we started our day earlier and made use of the daylight available to us?........... ............ Schools should be the priority. The scientific evidence is overwhelmingly clear that making teenagers start at 9am damages their brains. How strange it didn't damage their brains before this current generation then. God help those of those who did school in the late 50's and started work/college back in the 1960s. Must have been the biggest coincidence/massive overdose of luck that enabled all those people to function and work in electronics/engineering/design etc. whilst also building their technical skill sets at Tech College on day release. At 17 my "day release"(and that of thousands of others) consisted of getting up at 0700 to wash, shave, have breakfast, walk a mile to catch a bus just after 8 to be in Tech by 9 for a full 12 hour day of lectures/labs from which you'd also cop a load of homework and lab reports to write up for next week in the spare time left over after you'd done the remaining 4 days at work. Yeah, starting at 9 fuddles their brains is somewhere up there along with sightings of Unicorns. Maybe if they got of the electronic procrastination machines that they're glued to until the wee small hours they'd be better equipped to face the day. Do you want to debate science or just chuck opinions around? " So how about you tell us about some of this overwhelming scientific evidence since so far it's just your opinion | |||
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"Nah! More light in the evenings then people could do things after work and kids could play out. If you started your day earlier you will have daylight left in the evenings to do things after work and for kids to play out
You want me to go to work earlier
If we worked around the daylight, you won’t even feel it
How cool is that?
My days would be very short in the winter!
You gain that time in summer.. we lose 2-3 hours of daylight in the summer mornings "What time would I have to get up?
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"Would it be better if we started our day earlier and made use of the daylight available to us?........... ............ Schools should be the priority. The scientific evidence is overwhelmingly clear that making teenagers start at 9am damages their brains. How strange it didn't damage their brains before this current generation then. God help those of those who did school in the late 50's and started work/college back in the 1960s. Must have been the biggest coincidence/massive overdose of luck that enabled all those people to function and work in electronics/engineering/design etc. whilst also building their technical skill sets at Tech College on day release. At 17 my "day release"(and that of thousands of others) consisted of getting up at 0700 to wash, shave, have breakfast, walk a mile to catch a bus just after 8 to be in Tech by 9 for a full 12 hour day of lectures/labs from which you'd also cop a load of homework and lab reports to write up for next week in the spare time left over after you'd done the remaining 4 days at work. Yeah, starting at 9 fuddles their brains is somewhere up there along with sightings of Unicorns. Maybe if they got of the electronic procrastination machines that they're glued to until the wee small hours they'd be better equipped to face the day. Do you want to debate science or just chuck opinions around? So how about you tell us about some of this overwhelming scientific evidence since so far it's just your opinion" It's very straight forward, when you fall asleep is a function of your circadian rhythm and neuromodulators like adenosine. There's a reason nobody suggests babies get up at 7am and only sleep 8 hours per 24, because they need more. Likewise, it's just a fact that puberty causes a delayed circadian rhythm which means teenagers lose valuable REM sleep when they wake up too early. Franky, if you've never observed teenagers preference to staying up late and getting up late then i don't know which planet you've been living on. | |||
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"If you've never observed teenagers preference to staying up late and getting up late then i don't know which planet you've been living on. " Whoopee, I must still be a teenager then | |||
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"If you've never observed teenagers preference to staying up late and getting up late then i don't know which planet you've been living on. Whoopee, I must still be a teenager then "About 40% of adults have the preference and it's largely genetic. Blame your parents. | |||
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"If you've never observed teenagers preference to staying up late and getting up late then i don't know which planet you've been living on. Whoopee, I must still be a teenager then
About 40% of adults have the preference and it's largely genetic. Blame your parents. "Well I would, but ma Mam passed away in 1969, and ma Dad in 1984. 
I'm 56 and have always been a night owl, I don't consider it to be a preference though, it can be a pain in the arse sometimes. | |||
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"Would it be better if we started our day earlier and made use of the daylight available to us? " No need, in the West country we invented this thing called electrickery and light sticks, so we can all be places at the same time can make night day, they are still working on making day night though. | |||
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"If you've never observed teenagers preference to staying up late and getting up late then i don't know which planet you've been living on. Whoopee, I must still be a teenager then
About 40% of adults have the preference and it's largely genetic. Blame your parents.
Well I would, but ma Mam passed away in 1969, and ma Dad in 1984.
I'm 56 and have always been a night owl, I don't consider it to be a preference though, it can be a pain in the arse sometimes. "I'm a night owl too, hence why i researched the science behind it. Now I'm just bitter at a world that wants to start at 9am for anti-scientific reasons. | |||
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"I'm not an early bird I'm not a night owl I'm some kind of permanently exhausted pigeon As long as you aren't the one that rests on the TV aerial above ma bedroom window and generously deposits its bottom droppings on it when it's open, then I think all is good fella
Nah that's Simon
Sorry about him
Simon's a bit of a dick
Don't be a Simon" | |||
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"I work 7-2:30pm, it's great in the spring/summer but horrendous on a winter morning. Still, finishing while it's still light out is nice. " My day starts at 4pm as far as I'm concerned. People that expect me to start earlier should prepare for rudeness. | |||
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"I work 7-2:30pm, it's great in the spring/summer but horrendous on a winter morning. Still, finishing while it's still light out is nice. My day starts at 4pm as far as I'm concerned. People that expect me to start earlier should prepare for rudeness. " Do you work nights? Or just get left alone until 4pm | |||
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"I work 7-2:30pm, it's great in the spring/summer but horrendous on a winter morning. Still, finishing while it's still light out is nice. My day starts at 4pm as far as I'm concerned. People that expect me to start earlier should prepare for rudeness. " I drink enough tea to sink a battleship before my day starts, whatever time that may be | |||
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"I work 7-2:30pm, it's great in the spring/summer but horrendous on a winter morning. Still, finishing while it's still light out is nice. My day starts at 4pm as far as I'm concerned. People that expect me to start earlier should prepare for rudeness. Do you work nights? Or just get left alone until 4pm" Usually finish somewhere between midnight and 2am, sometimes hit the gym afterwards. I'm not a night worker in the sense of working through the whole thing, but just a night owl, my brain doesn't really function in the morning. | |||
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"I work 7-2:30pm, it's great in the spring/summer but horrendous on a winter morning. Still, finishing while it's still light out is nice. My day starts at 4pm as far as I'm concerned. People that expect me to start earlier should prepare for rudeness. I drink enough tea to sink a battleship before my day starts, whatever time that may be "That's how I deal with fucking 9am starts. Red Bull on the way in and a top up at lunch time. Then glare at the person who organised the meeting so they know they've done something wrong. | |||
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"I work 7-2:30pm, it's great in the spring/summer but horrendous on a winter morning. Still, finishing while it's still light out is nice. My day starts at 4pm as far as I'm concerned. People that expect me to start earlier should prepare for rudeness. " Up until a few months ago, I started at 6am. I exaggerate my niceness to wind people up who phone that early. One woman asked to speak to someone else because I was too happy at 6am. That genuinely made me happy | |||
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"I work 7-2:30pm, it's great in the spring/summer but horrendous on a winter morning. Still, finishing while it's still light out is nice. My day starts at 4pm as far as I'm concerned. People that expect me to start earlier should prepare for rudeness. Up until a few months ago, I started at 6am. I exaggerate my niceness to wind people up who phone that early. One woman asked to speak to someone else because I was too happy at 6am. That genuinely made me happy "Only babies and dogs should be awake at 6am | |||
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"I work 7-2:30pm, it's great in the spring/summer but horrendous on a winter morning. Still, finishing while it's still light out is nice. My day starts at 4pm as far as I'm concerned. People that expect me to start earlier should prepare for rudeness. I drink enough tea to sink a battleship before my day starts, whatever time that may be
That's how I deal with fucking 9am starts. Red Bull on the way in and a top up at lunch time. Then glare at the person who organised the meeting so they know they've done something wrong. "I've never done office work and all that meeting type of stuff, it would bore me stupid and I would end up getting the sack for punching someone.
Building work and going to different sites and meeting different people is more what I'm about, as long as you can do the job that you were employed to do, then everybody leaves you alone, and you can have your breaks when you want to  | |||
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"Franky, if you've never observed teenagers preference to staying up late and getting up late then i don't know which planet you've been living on. " So teenagers preference for when they get out of bed now counts as scientific proof that making them start at 9am damages their brains. Isn't science wonderful? | |||
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"Nah! More light in the evenings then people could do things after work and kids could play out. If you started your day earlier you will have daylight left in the evenings to do things after work and for kids to play out
You want me to go to work earlier
If we worked around the daylight, you won’t even feel it
How cool is that?
My days would be very short in the winter!
You gain that time in summer.. we lose 2-3 hours of daylight in the summer mornings
What time would I have to get up?
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"Would it be better if we started our day earlier and made use of the daylight available to us? " For me, ideally it would, because sometimes the sun rises at four in the morning, and I just think it is rude of it to do that, when I want to go out and do some nice sunrise photography | |||
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