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"This is one of those perpetual idiotic conspiracy theories where the proponents casually ignore the scientific evidence to further their wild and insane ramblings. The Russians even admitted the Americans landed on the moon at the height of the Cold War and space race. It happened - fact !!! It just goes to show the moronic state of daytime chat shows that give this nonsense air time.... " It most certainly did happen. The Russians beat the Americans in every other part of the space race, if it was staged I don't for a second think they would have just let it slide. | |||
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not a super hard "slap".. just one hard enough to get their brains functioning properly... | |||
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"between them and "flat earthers" i want to slap some sense into them!!!
not a super hard "slap".. just one hard enough to get their brains functioning properly... "A one way trip to the moon would be a better idea... | |||
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"There is the mirror or lens - Lunar Laser Ranging experiment - that was placed on the moon by Apollo 11 to measure the distance between the Earth and Moon. Still there, you can fire a laser to bounce off it and measure the distance as the Moon is moving away from the Earth at about 4cm a year. " Let's not let facts get in the way of idiotic conspiracies huh. There were somewhere in the region of 330,000 NASA employees at the time, the Russians were observing, countless tens of thousands professional/amateur astronomers...And they all lied. It never happened!!! Fuck sake. | |||
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"This is one of those perpetual idiotic conspiracy theories where the proponents casually ignore the scientific evidence to further their wild and insane ramblings. The Russians even admitted the Americans landed on the moon at the height of the Cold War and space race. It happened - fact !!! It just goes to show the moronic state of daytime chat shows that give this nonsense air time....
It most certainly did happen. The Russians beat the Americans in every other part of the space race, if it was staged I don't for a second think they would have just let it slide."They didn't, really. The Russians were good at publicity stunts, the Americans put the time in and did the work. | |||
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"There is the mirror or lens - Lunar Laser Ranging experiment - that was placed on the moon by Apollo 11 to measure the distance between the Earth and Moon. Still there, you can fire a laser to bounce off it and measure the distance as the Moon is moving away from the Earth at about 4cm a year. Let's not let facts get in the way of idiotic conspiracies huh. There were somewhere in the region of 330,000 NASA employees at the time, the Russians were observing, countless tens of thousands professional/amateur astronomers...And they all lied. It never happened!!! Fuck sake."  Sorry | |||
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"Apollo 11 was tracked from Jodrell Bank as it descended onto the Moon. " Are you keeping track of your knickers ? | |||
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They went.
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"This is one of those perpetual idiotic conspiracy theories where the proponents casually ignore the scientific evidence to further their wild and insane ramblings. The Russians even admitted the Americans landed on the moon at the height of the Cold War and space race. It happened - fact !!! It just goes to show the moronic state of daytime chat shows that give this nonsense air time.... "Cause you say - ‘Fact !!!’ It’s case closed then, nothing to see here. | |||
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"Didnt happen in my opinion. We cant get past the radiation belt. Have never been back there. Nasa says they dont have the tech to go back there as it was destroyed. All the data has been destroyed. All apollo moon landings where all led by a nazi german scientist who surrende_ed to US in ww2 called Wernher von Braun. The fact that our phones are hund_eds of times more powerful than the computer systems they used to get to the moon. I dont care if im the odd one out or if _abio wants to slap me. I dont believe weve been to the moon. " Good to know that some people will quite blithely ignore scientific evidence and believe half baked ideas from internet keyboard warriors.... of course NASA did not go to the moon as it was already occupied by Hitler and he was waiting for his friend Elvis to arrive.... | |||
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"What does it matter if some nutter doesn't believe it -let them have their little fantasies -after all most of us have other fantasies too right?" The problem is that they apply the same thought processes to everything else. And these people get to vote, and make decisions for their children. | |||
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"Didnt happen in my opinion. We cant get past the radiation belt. Have never been back there. Nasa says they dont have the tech to go back there as it was destroyed. All the data has been destroyed. All apollo moon landings where all led by a nazi german scientist who surrende_ed to US in ww2 called Wernher von Braun. The fact that our phones are hund_eds of times more powerful than the computer systems they used to get to the moon. I dont care if im the odd one out or if _abio wants to slap me. I dont believe weve been to the moon. Good to know that some people will quite blithely ignore scientific evidence and believe half baked ideas from internet keyboard warriors.... of course NASA did not go to the moon as it was already occupied by Hitler and he was waiting for his friend Elvis to arrive.... "Why are women ALWAYS igno_ed? Marilyn Monroe sang to them as they arrived. ( She was there first ) | |||
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"Conspiracy theory's are like the line from The Life of Brian "It is Written" Because they see something "written" on the internet it just has to be true. Doesn't it? " Well. I saw it in the Daily Star. So it has to be true.  | |||
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"They didn't, really. The Russians were good at publicity stunts, the Americans put the time in and did the work." They launched the first artificial satellite, landed the first probe on the moon, put the first human into space and were the first two humans to orbit Earth. | |||
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"Really the Nazis have been living on the Dark Side for the last 60 years or so perfecting their technology, biding their time before they take over the Earth......Has anyone seen Iron Sky??? "Iron Sky is my favourite documentary film.... Good to see the truth is finally exposed..... | |||
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"Really the Nazis have been living on the Dark Side for the last 60 years or so perfecting their technology, biding their time before they take over the Earth......Has anyone seen Iron Sky???
Iron Sky is my favourite documentary film.... Good to see the truth is finally exposed.....
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"Really the Nazis have been living on the Dark Side for the last 60 years or so perfecting their technology, biding their time before they take over the Earth......Has anyone seen Iron Sky???
Iron Sky is my favourite documentary film.... Good to see the truth is finally exposed.....
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"Really the Nazis have been living on the Dark Side for the last 60 years or so perfecting their technology, biding their time before they take over the Earth......Has anyone seen Iron Sky???
Iron Sky is my favourite documentary film.... Good to see the truth is finally exposed.....
The new 2018 version looks so much better the awful first one."I loved it thought it was so tongue in cheek and hilarious... | |||
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"There is the mirror or lens - Lunar Laser Ranging experiment - that was placed on the moon by Apollo 11 to measure the distance between the Earth and Moon. Still there, you can fire a laser to bounce off it and measure the distance as the Moon is moving away from the Earth at about 4cm a year. Let's not let facts get in the way of idiotic conspiracies huh. There were somewhere in the region of 330,000 NASA employees at the time, the Russians were observing, countless tens of thousands professional/amateur astronomers...And they all lied. It never happened!!! Fuck sake. Sorry "Noooo you misunderstand lol, I was backing your evidence up not mocking you! Sorry if it came across that way | |||
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"There is the mirror or lens - Lunar Laser Ranging experiment - that was placed on the moon by Apollo 11 to measure the distance between the Earth and Moon. Still there, you can fire a laser to bounce off it and measure the distance as the Moon is moving away from the Earth at about 4cm a year. Let's not let facts get in the way of idiotic conspiracies huh. There were somewhere in the region of 330,000 NASA employees at the time, the Russians were observing, countless tens of thousands professional/amateur astronomers...And they all lied. It never happened!!! Fuck sake. Sorry
Noooo you misunderstand lol, I was backing your evidence up not mocking you! Sorry if it came across that way "No, I understood your humour | |||
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"There is no way we went to the moon, When you see them driving that moon rover were did they put it in the Saturn 5 rocket there was only enough room to put three men in the capsule ,it’s a load of bullshite. "You know it folded up quite small right? And there’s pictures of it on NASA’s website and a whole heap of other places too should you wish to look. An amazing feat of engineering that paved the way for much technology we now take for granted | |||
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"They didn't, really. The Russians were good at publicity stunts, the Americans put the time in and did the work. They launched the first artificial satellite, landed the first probe on the moon, put the first human into space and were the first two humans to orbit Earth." And in every case the Americans matched them within months, sometimes within weeks. And while the Russians were wasting time with stunta like putting a woman into space (this didn't actually represent any kind of achievement in terms of space flight, if anything sending women up is easier because they're smaller and lighter) or sending up two rockets at once to gloat about, the Americans were developing better equipment and actually working to a plan - when they sent two shops up at once, they did it to test procedures for orbital rendevous and and ships maneuvering around each other, the sort of things they'd need to be able to do on a lunar mission. | |||
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"I'm not really that arsed if we did or didn't. "Then you are in the wrong thread. | |||
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"I saw quite an interesting debunking of the "we never went" theory, which cent_ed around the fact that we had the technology to go to the moon, but we didn't have the technology to fake it. Basically, having ploughed loads of money and effort into missile/rocket technology (anongst other things) during WW2, we actually had the wherewithal to launch and land a rocket on the moon. If memory serves me correctly the argument was that what we didn't have the technology to do was to pre-record enough film to broadcast the entire moon landing, so it would have to be done live, and if it was done live then we didnt have tge technology to alter it so that it looked like it was slo-mo, in order to simulate the effects of lower gravity. Something like that anyway" And yet you still believe we do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too.-amazing
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"Didnt happen in my opinion. We cant get past the radiation belt. Have never been back there. Nasa says they dont have the tech to go back there as it was destroyed. All the data has been destroyed. All apollo moon landings where all led by a nazi german scientist who surrende_ed to US in ww2 called Wernher von Braun. The fact that our phones are hund_eds of times more powerful than the computer systems they used to get to the moon. I dont care if im the odd one out or if _abio wants to slap me. I dont believe weve been to the moon. " This is what was said on the This Morning programme .... the rocket could not go passed the radiation belt... and that technology was so poor in those days . | |||
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"Having been to Cape Canaval and witnessed a shuttle launch, tou_ed the site and seen the control room and the Saturn 5 on its side, touched a bit of moon rock and viewed a space suit cove_ed in moon dust in the Air and Space Museum in Washington... it’s very very hard to argue against it I’m my view. Add the fact that the Russians are not leading the naysayers then yeah. Man has been on the moon. "Ahh but has he?
My own view is we didn't go. Not for any other reason than it's a fun point of view to take and it makes better political sense. Kennedy promised we'd land on the moon within the decade and in the last year of it we did. Reality just isn't well behaved and punctual like that. Space aliens don't land just in time to coincide with an important election. When things are punctual like that it smells awfully fishy, especially when there's a vital importance it's punctual because it's a strategic part of an information war with another country.
I haven't digested any of the silly conspiracy theories about it and the pictures. And I'm not really interested in trying to defend my point of view against the overwhelming evidence for our having landed. Call it just a hunch. One of those "I wouldn't be surprised if" kind of things | |||
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"Didnt happen in my opinion. We cant get past the radiation belt. Have never been back there. Nasa says they dont have the tech to go back there as it was destroyed. All the data has been destroyed. All apollo moon landings where all led by a nazi german scientist who surrende_ed to US in ww2 called Wernher von Braun. The fact that our phones are hund_eds of times more powerful than the computer systems they used to get to the moon. I dont care if im the odd one out or if _abio wants to slap me. I dont believe weve been to the moon. This is what was said on the This Morning programme .... the rocket could not go passed the radiation belt... and that technology was so poor in those days ." https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2018/studying-the-van-allen-belts-60-years-after-america-s-first-spacecraft/ Explained beautifully by NASA itself It seems you’re confusing radiation with X rays. | |||
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"Having been to Cape Canaval and witnessed a shuttle launch, tou_ed the site and seen the control room and the Saturn 5 on its side, touched a bit of moon rock and viewed a space suit cove_ed in moon dust in the Air and Space Museum in Washington... it’s very very hard to argue against it I’m my view. Add the fact that the Russians are not leading the naysayers then yeah. Man has been on the moon.
Ahh but has he?
My own view is we didn't go. Not for any other reason than it's a fun point of view to take and it makes better political sense. Kennedy promised we'd land on the moon within the decade and in the last year of it we did. Reality just isn't well behaved and punctual like that. Space aliens don't land just in time to coincide with an important election. When things are punctual like that it smells awfully fishy, especially when there's a vital importance it's punctual because it's a strategic part of an information war with another country.
I haven't digested any of the silly conspiracy theories about it and the pictures. And I'm not really interested in trying to defend my point of view against the overwhelming evidence for our having landed. Call it just a hunch. One of those "I wouldn't be surprised if" kind of things "Already regretting posting this  Just kidding... but Elcee's above makes me look like a right wally | |||
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"Didnt happen in my opinion. We cant get past the radiation belt. Have never been back there. Nasa says they dont have the tech to go back there as it was destroyed. All the data has been destroyed. All apollo moon landings where all led by a nazi german scientist who surrende_ed to US in ww2 called Wernher von Braun. The fact that our phones are hund_eds of times more powerful than the computer systems they used to get to the moon. I dont care if im the odd one out or if _abio wants to slap me. I dont believe weve been to the moon. This is what was said on the This Morning programme .... the rocket could not go passed the radiation belt... and that technology was so poor in those days ." Sai by whom though? Was it a renowned scientist or just some crank no one's heard of? | |||
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"Watched the this morning programme with eammon and ruth ....interesting debate on there .... that says the moon landing was false ....and because of modern day research and availability to go on line ....there is no evidence to prove it ever happened" Yes it did. Next? | |||
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"Having been to Cape Canaval and witnessed a shuttle launch, tou_ed the site and seen the control room and the Saturn 5 on its side, touched a bit of moon rock and viewed a space suit cove_ed in moon dust in the Air and Space Museum in Washington... it’s very very hard to argue against it I’m my view. Add the fact that the Russians are not leading the naysayers then yeah. Man has been on the moon.
Ahh but has he?
My own view is we didn't go. Not for any other reason than it's a fun point of view to take and it makes better political sense. Kennedy promised we'd land on the moon within the decade and in the last year of it we did. Reality just isn't well behaved and punctual like that. Space aliens don't land just in time to coincide with an important election. When things are punctual like that it smells awfully fishy, especially when there's a vital importance it's punctual because it's a strategic part of an information war with another country.
I haven't digested any of the silly conspiracy theories about it and the pictures. And I'm not really interested in trying to defend my point of view against the overwhelming evidence for our having landed. Call it just a hunch. One of those "I wouldn't be surprised if" kind of things
Already regretting posting this Just kidding... but Elcee's above makes me look like a right wally "Bwahahaha...the curse of following me on stage
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"Just even debating it here gives the oxygen of publicity to the lunatics who believe such conspiracy rubbish.... Well said! " | |||
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"They were still using baked bean cans and string as telephones back then, but by some miracle we got a rocket to the moon with all the technological capability of a Casio calculator. We can’t even get to the moon now ! " We can, easily. Given that they landed a probe on a moving comet...there's just very little point going to the moon now. We know all we need to know about it and can do anything else far cheaper with probes/rovers should the need arise. | |||
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"There's loads of things the public are fooled with. And I think moon landing is of of them.. so yea. Guess I'm a tin hat man" We uesd to lock lunatics up in asylums now we just give them the internet...  | |||
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"They were still using baked bean cans and string as telephones back then, but by some miracle we got a rocket to the moon with all the technological capability of a Casio calculator. We can’t even get to the moon now ! We can, easily. Given that they landed a probe on a moving comet...there's just very little point going to the moon now. We know all we need to know about it and can do anything else far cheaper with probes/rovers should the need arise. " They went to the moon to discover there’s fuck all there, I could have told them that with a pair of binoculars and a step ladder. What did they hope to find a Tesco Express or Spandau Ballet on tour ? | |||
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"They were still using baked bean cans and string as telephones back then, but by some miracle we got a rocket to the moon with all the technological capability of a Casio calculator. We can’t even get to the moon now ! We can, easily. Given that they landed a probe on a moving comet...there's just very little point going to the moon now. We know all we need to know about it and can do anything else far cheaper with probes/rovers should the need arise. They went to the moon to discover there’s fuck all there, I could have told them that with a pair of binoculars and a step ladder. What did they hope to find a Tesco Express or Spandau Ballet on tour ? " No Tottenham's trophy room. | |||
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"They were still using baked bean cans and string as telephones back then, but by some miracle we got a rocket to the moon with all the technological capability of a Casio calculator. We can’t even get to the moon now ! We can, easily. Given that they landed a probe on a moving comet...there's just very little point going to the moon now. We know all we need to know about it and can do anything else far cheaper with probes/rovers should the need arise. They went to the moon to discover there’s fuck all there, I could have told them that with a pair of binoculars and a step ladder. What did they hope to find a Tesco Express or Spandau Ballet on tour ? " I had tickets for that gig but my mate Neil let me down at the last minute as he said the car was full as he gave the last seat to a guy called Edwin.... | |||
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""Fuck Eammon and Ruth for having the dumb-assed motherfucker on their show in the first place!" Buzz Aldrin" Exactly their downright stupid so-called journalism has given that pillock some legitimacy for that lunatic belief.... | |||
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"I have a theory on the theory conspiracy . That's it's all just a conspiracy. " I think you mean just a theory ... A conspiracy would mean that they are true | |||
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"Watched the this morning programme with eammon and ruth ....interesting debate on there .... that says the moon landing was false ....and because of modern day research and availability to go on line ....there is no evidence to prove it ever happened" Of course they didn't the moon is a figment of your imagination, as is this website and consequently this completely silly answer  | |||
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"Conspiracy nutters believe the greatest cinematographer of the time Stanley Kubrick (2001 a space oydessy) filmed it for NASA. However he was such a perfectionist he insisted on filming on location. "Stanley Kubrick was a director, not a cinematographer (Director of Photography). The Cinematographer on 2001 was Geoff Unsworth. Also Kubrick wasn't known to shoot on location, ever; eyes wide shut wasn't shot in new york etc. Most his films were made in London. Also, of course humans went to the moon. | |||
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"There is no way we went to the moon, When you see them driving that moon rover were did they put it in the Saturn 5 rocket there was only enough room to put three men in the capsule ,it’s a load of bullshite. "haha, You can watch the video of them on the moon taking the rover from the rocket & unpacking it. It only takes a google search. | |||
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"So the people who died in challenger that was fake as well?? Try explaining all this to the families of the deceased astronauts " No that really happened . The moon Runway was far to short !! I love those that justify something factual happened, by quoting something else which had nothing to do with the original something . | |||
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The other is auxiliary footage showing Apollo 11 in low earth orbit. The lights in the craft are out and a crescent shaped insert is held up to the window making the earth look smaller and further away than it was. This was not meant to be public. Any explanation for this?
Also who is the 3rd voice that can be heard between Houston and apollo prompting Armstrong to "Talk"?
On the other hand the laser pings come back, but I don't consider Russia and China apparently not making a fuss as any kind of proof.
Motivated only by a desire to know the truth, one way or another, I'd rather just know tbh.
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"Personally I have no doubt that the moon landings took place. That said, I wouldn’t dismiss the idea that the film of the first moon landing was made ‘artificially’ in order to produce a more choreographed and useable piece of cinematography." Hmmm yeah that's interesting, hadn't thought of that. Also, [as Lt.Columbo] One more thing that's buggin me Is the average temp on the moon really 107C? That's hotter than boiling water and if true obviously raises questions. Something else is a flag on the ISS or MIR had to be taken down as after 18 months there was hardly any left due to cosmic dust/tiny meteorites pelting it, but after 49 yrs the moon flag is intact though the moon also has no atmosphere? Does anyone know anything about these and can help? Something else, to anyone screaming "Fucktards" and the like, is it really a sign of severe mental illness to ask what I think are pretty legitimate questions? Mine for one are genuine and I want to know. Being irrational and abusive is more indicative of mental illness imo I.e. grow up. Thank you. | |||
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" Motivated only by a desire to know the truth, one way or another, I'd rather just know tbh. Will we ever really know?" If you'd rather just know, why not go onto Google and do a little search on stuff like the Van Allen belts and the temperature on the moon, and read the many explanations that exist? Conspiracy theorists acting like their questions haven't already been answe_ed a million times is sadly typical. | |||
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" Motivated only by a desire to know the truth, one way or another, I'd rather just know tbh. Will we ever really know? If you'd rather just know, why not go onto Google and do a little search on stuff like the Van Allen belts and the temperature on the moon, and read the many explanations that exist? Conspiracy theorists acting like their questions haven't already been answe_ed a million times is sadly typical. " Who's a conspiracy theorist? Know anything about me? Can't anyone have questions? Put words in peoples mouths definition of foolishness lol. The astronauts themselves didn't seem to have any memory of a radiation belt or suffer any ill effects so I just wanted to know why it's such a big problem now, so much so that people report seeing it with their eyes closed at 365 miles above the earth (around 635 miles away from the start of the belt). Don't understand what that has to do with conspiracy theories maybe your response is irrational and telling. Good day. | |||
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"I think we did go to the moon but maybe faked the footage? Back in them days you couldnt even get film through airport security xray scanners without the radiation destroying the film so how did we fly through the radiation of space with the film still intact? Faked the footage so they had something to show for it, but all the original footage is now missing for some reason and when you look up any footage online it just looks dodgy. There was a photo of Michael Collins on a moon walk which someone compa_ed to a photo of him doing a test run in a warehouse and its the exact same image just reversed and blacked out the background. Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldren brought back and signed moon rock to give to the prime minister of Holland and it turned out to be petrified wood, also a few interviews with the astronauts that are questionable. Even though I do believe that we did actually go to the moon I do think there is something sinister." A photo of Michael Collins doing a Moon walk? If he did then maybe he was just doing a Micheal Jackson impersonation. Michael Collins was the command module pilot on Apollo 11. He never set foot on the Moon, he stayed in orbit while Armstrong and Aldrin went down to the surface. | |||
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"I think we did go to the moon but maybe faked the footage? Back in them days you couldnt even get film through airport security xray scanners without the radiation destroying the film so how did we fly through the radiation of space with the film still intact? Faked the footage so they had something to show for it, but all the original footage is now missing for some reason and when you look up any footage online it just looks dodgy. There was a photo of Michael Collins on a moon walk which someone compa_ed to a photo of him doing a test run in a warehouse and its the exact same image just reversed and blacked out the background. Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldren brought back and signed moon rock to give to the prime minister of Holland and it turned out to be petrified wood, also a few interviews with the astronauts that are questionable. Even though I do believe that we did actually go to the moon I do think there is something sinister. A photo of Michael Collins doing a Moon walk? If he did then maybe he was just doing a Micheal Jackson impersonation. Michael Collins was the command module pilot on Apollo 11. He never set foot on the Moon, he stayed in orbit while Armstrong and Aldrin went down to the surface." Oh I would just add that the piece of "Petrified wood" was probably the small piece of the Wright brothers propeller blade which Armstrong, along with a small piece of fabric from the wing, took to the Moon as a symbol of progress. | |||
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" Motivated only by a desire to know the truth, one way or another, I'd rather just know tbh. Will we ever really know? If you'd rather just know, why not go onto Google and do a little search on stuff like the Van Allen belts and the temperature on the moon, and read the many explanations that exist? Conspiracy theorists acting like their questions haven't already been answe_ed a million times is sadly typical. Who's a conspiracy theorist? Know anything about me? Can't anyone have questions? Put words in peoples mouths definition of foolishness lol. The astronauts themselves didn't seem to have any memory of a radiation belt or suffer any ill effects so I just wanted to know why it's such a big problem now, so much so that people report seeing it with their eyes closed at 365 miles above the earth (around 635 miles away from the start of the belt). Don't understand what that has to do with conspiracy theories maybe your response is irrational and telling. Good day."The moon landings being fake is a conspiracy theory. People asking questions that they could easily find the answers to themselves with a ten minute Google session is typical conspiracy theorist behaviour. Good day to you too! | |||
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" https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2018/studying-the-van-allen-belts-60-years-after-america-s-first-spacecraft/ Explained beautifully by NASA itself It seems you’re confusing radiation with X rays. "X-rays are radiation! | |||
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"What happened with that petrified wood? Bit naughty lol. So yeah, what needs to happen is for NASA to go to the moon which can help settle the issue and lay doubts to rest. So many questions!! More I've come across: What was Neil Armstrong talking about when he said in 1994 at the 25th anniversary "the only bird that can talk is the parrot, but it didn't fly too well"? Frustratingly none of the astronauts when shown the auxiliary footage of apollo 11 holding up the crescent shape to make the earth appear further away explained what they were doing! Just getting real angry, ad hominem attacks, even threatening assassination by the CIA lol. I'll have a look on this. At least I can say if they faked the landings I think they did a pretty good job to be fair (yes I am saying "to be fair" at the end of the day) "Would you like to explain why, at the height of the cold war, the Soviets never exposed the fakery and why, of the thousands of people who must have been involved in said fakery, not one has. "confessed"? | |||
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" The moon landings being fake is a conspiracy theory. People asking questions that they could easily find the answers to themselves with a ten minute Google session is typical conspiracy theorist behaviour. Good day to you too! " Or real, which is possible. I don't think anyone is impressed with people just making up fantasies. The other extreme is to think there are no conspiracies in the world. Was just hoping someone might save me the time. The laser reflection pings are keeping me from crossing to the dark side, but I've seen enough in this life for it not to surprise me if it came out we've been told a big fib all this time. Just to note, any video or source that aims to debunk fake landings seems to come across with a heavy sense of "anyone who would think otherwise is clearly insane", really laying it on thick. I don't understand why they feel the need for this, it doesn't help IMO and makes it seem almost like they're 'protesting too much'. They'd be better off acknowledging and understanding peoples legitimate concerns then explaining, rather than feeling the need to ridicule. The earth was spherical in that apollo 11 footage BTW and it was a crescent shape used to cover it, further indicating non-flatness. Thanks for wishing a good day. | |||
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"But the conspiracy theorists use the same rhetoric. "You've got to be stupid to believe The Man" type of argument." And yes I believe it happened. | |||
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"But the conspiracy theorists use the same rhetoric. "You've got to be stupid to believe The Man" type of argument. And yes I believe it happened." Yeah that argument sucks in both sides. And I don't think anyone's stupid for believing or not believing it. Only thing I would get irked about is like the university professor who said even if Neil Armstrong and co broke down in tears and confessed everything had been falsified he would still believe the moon landings happened. That's the kind of ignorance a person can't buy, on either side. Here is a short clip, less than 1 min of Neil Armstrong of Apollo 11 and the earth out the window https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LNMe-Exd15A And then there is a 10 minute clip of the unedited version. But I'm reluctant to post it because there's narration over it and I want no narration, to be as objective as possible. | |||
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"But the conspiracy theorists use the same rhetoric. "You've got to be stupid to believe The Man" type of argument. And yes I believe it happened. Yeah that argument sucks in both sides. And I don't think anyone's stupid for believing or not believing it. Only thing I would get irked about is like the university professor who said even if Neil Armstrong and co broke down in tears and confessed everything had been falsified he would still believe the moon landings happened. That's the kind of ignorance a person can't buy, on either side. Here is a short clip, less than 1 min of Neil Armstrong of Apollo 11 and the earth out the window https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LNMe-Exd15A And then there is a 10 minute clip of the unedited version. But I'm reluctant to post it because there's narration over it and I want no narration, to be as objective as possible." There are some things that are so obvious that I am afraid that questioning them makes you look a bit daft. The moon landings is one of them. The swedes once did a TV programme about how the 1958 world cup in Sweden had never happened. It was very impressive and raised lots of issues. It was only afterwards it was revealed to be a spoof. | |||
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"...because of modern day research and availability to go on line ....there is no evidence to prove it ever happened" Speaking as an archaeologist and historian; if the benchmark for proving an event was real is that there’s ‘evidence’ on the internet, then we might as well say the whole of human history before the 1990s never happened. Mind you, now we’re living in a ‘post truth’ world, what’s the point of worrying about it? We’ll soon have a Ministry of Disinformation to decide on the ‘correct’ history to believe. | |||
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"There is a 'ranging mirror' on the Moon that 11 Universities bounce a laser off 300 times a week. You can apply to some of the universities to watch them do that. Now unless the Clangers left it out, real Astronauts must have placed it there. lol.
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"There is a 'ranging mirror' on the Moon that 11 Universities bounce a laser off 300 times a week. You can apply to some of the universities to watch them do that. Now unless the Clangers left it out, real Astronauts must have placed it there. lol.
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Excellent point ... If mankind didn't go to theoon will someone please explain how we found out the Clangers are living there..?"Who do you think is telling us we didn't? It's the soup companies in league with the soup dragon, it'sa massive cover up | |||
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"The world is being ruled by giant alien lizards" Nahhhhhhh, that would be ridiculous. The world i live in is ruled by 2 cats, neither of which has been to Moon (to my knowledge)................although both do look out of the kitchen window at night looking at it
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"Like the Earth, the moon is flat. Why do you think you can only see one side? Bit of a giveaway." Please tell me that was sarcasm. | |||
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"Would you like to explain why, at the height of the cold war, the Soviets never exposed the fakery and why, of the thousands of people who must have been involved in said fakery, not one has. "confessed"? " Just playing devil's advocate. I would imagine that NASA is significantly modular enough so that each compartment may be capable of being told all the other compartments are done and it ok theirs only half works or fails and they'd just assume that's a correct assessment. After that nobody in NASA need know it's a fake. They would all watch people go up into space. Then move to other systems to check their progress. These systems may only be controlled by a few people and some of these may again be modularised so that some people didn't know what they were doing or that it was fake. As such, the conspiracy itself could have been conducted with an elite squad of special psy ops people and the astronauts. They would have also needed to hide the orbiting space module before it re-ente_ed our atmosphere and landed in time to a cue. By minimalising and segmenting off the amount of people who were genuinely involved in the hoax and aiming not to con the Russians but rather to con NASA, this would have been a far more effective way of convincing the Russians. It's hard to deny something happened that a large team of clever scientists are totally convinced happened. Having it confirmed that NASA itself was totally convinced they'd landed on the moon, it followed in the mind of Americas enemies that they therefore had. Just devil's advocate. But thought I'd highlight how sometimes anti-conspiracy people's version of "what must have happened for it to have been a conspiracy" can be a bit dumb and short sighted. Sometimes that's a bit of a strawman argument | |||
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"They were still using baked bean cans and string as telephones back then, but by some miracle we got a rocket to the moon with all the technological capability of a Casio calculator. We can’t even get to the moon now ! " This is what I find strange if they managed it all them years ago why has no one ever been back since. Surely with modern tech we would be setting up a station on the moon.. | |||
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"They were still using baked bean cans and string as telephones back then, but by some miracle we got a rocket to the moon with all the technological capability of a Casio calculator. We can’t even get to the moon now ! This is what I find strange if they managed it all them years ago why has no one ever been back since. Surely with modern tech we would be setting up a station on the moon.." It's fantastically expensive and, with the race against the Soviets won, the US wasn't willing to keep spending the money. | |||
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"Like the Earth, the moon is flat. Why do you think you can only see one side? Bit of a giveaway." Lol lol... For the record I’ll just say that the timing was very convenient given Kennedy’s proclamation to put man on the moon. Who knows... still a great debate nonetheless | |||
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" Mind you, now we’re living in a ‘post truth’ world, what’s the point of worrying about it? We’ll soon have a Ministry of Disinformation to decide on the ‘correct’ history to believe." Yes there is a lot of disinformation already, that's why its good people are bringing stuff to the table and we can sort through. We might not have this luxury much longer with censorship looming. We are being lied to about plenty of things so naturally I'm on suspicious alert right now, maybe too much. My posts are basically saying why I think this could have been one of them. | |||
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"They were still using baked bean cans and string as telephones back then, but by some miracle we got a rocket to the moon with all the technological capability of a Casio calculator. We can’t even get to the moon now ! This is what I find strange if they managed it all them years ago why has no one ever been back since. Surely with modern tech we would be setting up a station on the moon.." Because there is nothing really to go back for. After Apollo 17 they had more than enough lumps of rock and from the six Apollo missions that landed they had learned that the Moon was just that. A barren dusty lump of rock, nothing more. Although some scientists would probably have had a base there high on their wish list. The cost of building, manning, and supplying it would have been (literally) astronomical. NASA's priority changed from the Moon to developing a re-usable spacecraft (Space Shuttle) to cater for the growing satellite market (both military and non military) | |||
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"They were still using baked bean cans and string as telephones back then, but by some miracle we got a rocket to the moon with all the technological capability of a Casio calculator. We can’t even get to the moon now ! " Mr Spoon managed it in the 80s with a tuna tin, Heinz naked bean tin, and a funnel, so it's not that hard. Although in fairness he was clearly the Hawkins of CITV. | |||
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"They were still using baked bean cans and string as telephones back then, but by some miracle we got a rocket to the moon with all the technological capability of a Casio calculator. We can’t even get to the moon now ! This is what I find strange if they managed it all them years ago why has no one ever been back since. Surely with modern tech we would be setting up a station on the moon.. Because there is nothing really to go back for. After Apollo 17 they had more than enough lumps of rock and from the six Apollo missions that landed they had learned that the Moon was just that. A barren dusty lump of rock, nothing more. Although some scientists would probably have had a base there high on their wish list. The cost of building, manning, and supplying it would have been (literally) astronomical. NASA's priority changed from the Moon to developing a re-usable spacecraft (Space Shuttle) to cater for the growing satellite market (both military and non military) " The moon rock that Armstrong and Aldrin gave to the Dutch prime minister turned out to just be petrified wood. (Probably all are). NASA have said most of the moon rocks they brought back have gone missing. | |||
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"They were still using baked bean cans and string as telephones back then, but by some miracle we got a rocket to the moon with all the technological capability of a Casio calculator. We can’t even get to the moon now ! This is what I find strange if they managed it all them years ago why has no one ever been back since. Surely with modern tech we would be setting up a station on the moon.. Because there is nothing really to go back for. After Apollo 17 they had more than enough lumps of rock and from the six Apollo missions that landed they had learned that the Moon was just that. A barren dusty lump of rock, nothing more. Although some scientists would probably have had a base there high on their wish list. The cost of building, manning, and supplying it would have been (literally) astronomical. NASA's priority changed from the Moon to developing a re-usable spacecraft (Space Shuttle) to cater for the growing satellite market (both military and non military) The moon rock that Armstrong and Aldrin gave to the Dutch prime minister turned out to just be petrified wood. (Probably all are). NASA have said most of the moon rocks they brought back have gone missing. " Wrong and wrong again. Firstly Armstrong and Aldrin never presented a moon rock, or anything else, to the Dutch Prime Minister. The country received two tiny fragments of rock, one from Apollo 11 and another "goodwill rock" from Apollo 17. Both of these are accounted for and genuine. The piece of wood that was left as a "moon rock" to the Rijksmuseum was almost certainly always just that, a lump of wood. It had been given to former (note former) Prime minister Willem Drees by the then US Ambassador to Holland J.W.Middendorf. Drees who was not only over 10 years out of office but was also blind and nearly deaf when he received it, and according to his Grandson, mistakenly believed that it was a genuine piece of the Moon. It should also be noted that the Apollo 11 crew were visiting Holland as part of a goodwill tour when it was presented, which to a blind almost deaf and probably confused old man would add c_edence to his mistaken belief. Also at 89 grams it was huge by comparison to the actual Moon rocks presented to the Dutch nation which had a combined weight of 0.05 grams. Bottom line is that an old man was given a fossil and due to confusion and timing he thought it was from the Moon. OK next point. Most of the Moon rocks returned to Earth have NOT gone missing. The ones that have disappea_ed are mostly the Apollo 17 "goodwill rocks" that the Nixon administration presented to the nations of the world, and quite a few of the original Apollo 11 rocks that were dished out in a similar way. The disappearance of these is nothing more sinister than corruption and greed. Most are believed to have been sold to private collectors by corrupt government officials or heads of state (Spain being a very good example) The total weight of all the rocks distributed around the world is less than half a kilo. The vast majority (if not all) of NASA's own stock (382 kilo's) is locked away and accounted for and small samples are given for research and larger rocks are loaned for exhibitions. Your two assertions are classic examples of taking one story and turning it on its head to make another. | |||
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"They were still using baked bean cans and string as telephones back then, but by some miracle we got a rocket to the moon with all the technological capability of a Casio calculator. We can’t even get to the moon now ! This is what I find strange if they managed it all them years ago why has no one ever been back since. Surely with modern tech we would be setting up a station on the moon.. Because there is nothing really to go back for. After Apollo 17 they had more than enough lumps of rock and from the six Apollo missions that landed they had learned that the Moon was just that. A barren dusty lump of rock, nothing more. Although some scientists would probably have had a base there high on their wish list. The cost of building, manning, and supplying it would have been (literally) astronomical. NASA's priority changed from the Moon to developing a re-usable spacecraft (Space Shuttle) to cater for the growing satellite market (both military and non military) The moon rock that Armstrong and Aldrin gave to the Dutch prime minister turned out to just be petrified wood. (Probably all are). NASA have said most of the moon rocks they brought back have gone missing. Wrong and wrong again. Firstly Armstrong and Aldrin never presented a moon rock, or anything else, to the Dutch Prime Minister. The country received two tiny fragments of rock, one from Apollo 11 and another "goodwill rock" from Apollo 17. Both of these are accounted for and genuine. The piece of wood that was left as a "moon rock" to the Rijksmuseum was almost certainly always just that, a lump of wood. It had been given to former (note former) Prime minister Willem Drees by the then US Ambassador to Holland J.W.Middendorf. Drees who was not only over 10 years out of office but was also blind and nearly deaf when he received it, and according to his Grandson, mistakenly believed that it was a genuine piece of the Moon. It should also be noted that the Apollo 11 crew were visiting Holland as part of a goodwill tour when it was presented, which to a blind almost deaf and probably confused old man would add c_edence to his mistaken belief. Also at 89 grams it was huge by comparison to the actual Moon rocks presented to the Dutch nation which had a combined weight of 0.05 grams. Bottom line is that an old man was given a fossil and due to confusion and timing he thought it was from the Moon. OK next point. Most of the Moon rocks returned to Earth have NOT gone missing. The ones that have disappea_ed are mostly the Apollo 17 "goodwill rocks" that the Nixon administration presented to the nations of the world, and quite a few of the original Apollo 11 rocks that were dished out in a similar way. The disappearance of these is nothing more sinister than corruption and greed. Most are believed to have been sold to private collectors by corrupt government officials or heads of state (Spain being a very good example) The total weight of all the rocks distributed around the world is less than half a kilo. The vast majority (if not all) of NASA's own stock (382 kilo's) is locked away and accounted for and small samples are given for research and larger rocks are loaned for exhibitions. Your two assertions are classic examples of taking one story and turning it on its head to make another. No such thing as moon rocks anyway. We havnt been there...so therefore everything you wrote means nothing. Doesn't matter what buzz or niel gave the Dutch pm, or anything about moon rocks going awol. Never been to the moon, never will." Yes you are probably right. It is just too difficult to lift off from a flat earth. | |||
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"Of course we went to the moon ...can't you see someone left the light on! "Awww that's so cute | |||
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"They were still using baked bean cans and string as telephones back then, but by some miracle we got a rocket to the moon with all the technological capability of a Casio calculator. We can’t even get to the moon now ! This is what I find strange if they managed it all them years ago why has no one ever been back since. Surely with modern tech we would be setting up a station on the moon.. Because there is nothing really to go back for. After Apollo 17 they had more than enough lumps of rock and from the six Apollo missions that landed they had learned that the Moon was just that. A barren dusty lump of rock, nothing more. Although some scientists would probably have had a base there high on their wish list. The cost of building, manning, and supplying it would have been (literally) astronomical. NASA's priority changed from the Moon to developing a re-usable spacecraft (Space Shuttle) to cater for the growing satellite market (both military and non military) The moon rock that Armstrong and Aldrin gave to the Dutch prime minister turned out to just be petrified wood. (Probably all are). NASA have said most of the moon rocks they brought back have gone missing. Wrong and wrong again. Firstly Armstrong and Aldrin never presented a moon rock, or anything else, to the Dutch Prime Minister. The country received two tiny fragments of rock, one from Apollo 11 and another "goodwill rock" from Apollo 17. Both of these are accounted for and genuine. The piece of wood that was left as a "moon rock" to the Rijksmuseum was almost certainly always just that, a lump of wood. It had been given to former (note former) Prime minister Willem Drees by the then US Ambassador to Holland J.W.Middendorf. Drees who was not only over 10 years out of office but was also blind and nearly deaf when he received it, and according to his Grandson, mistakenly believed that it was a genuine piece of the Moon. It should also be noted that the Apollo 11 crew were visiting Holland as part of a goodwill tour when it was presented, which to a blind almost deaf and probably confused old man would add c_edence to his mistaken belief. Also at 89 grams it was huge by comparison to the actual Moon rocks presented to the Dutch nation which had a combined weight of 0.05 grams. Bottom line is that an old man was given a fossil and due to confusion and timing he thought it was from the Moon. OK next point. Most of the Moon rocks returned to Earth have NOT gone missing. The ones that have disappea_ed are mostly the Apollo 17 "goodwill rocks" that the Nixon administration presented to the nations of the world, and quite a few of the original Apollo 11 rocks that were dished out in a similar way. The disappearance of these is nothing more sinister than corruption and greed. Most are believed to have been sold to private collectors by corrupt government officials or heads of state (Spain being a very good example) The total weight of all the rocks distributed around the world is less than half a kilo. The vast majority (if not all) of NASA's own stock (382 kilo's) is locked away and accounted for and small samples are given for research and larger rocks are loaned for exhibitions. Your two assertions are classic examples of taking one story and turning it on its head to make another. No such thing as moon rocks anyway. We havnt been there...so therefore everything you wrote means nothing. Doesn't matter what buzz or niel gave the Dutch pm, or anything about moon rocks going awol. Never been to the moon, never will. Yes you are probably right. It is just too difficult to lift off from a flat earth. "And then you have the gravity rays that our giant alien lizard overlords are holding us down with... | |||
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"They were still using baked bean cans and string as telephones back then, but by some miracle we got a rocket to the moon with all the technological capability of a Casio calculator. We can’t even get to the moon now ! This is what I find strange if they managed it all them years ago why has no one ever been back since. Surely with modern tech we would be setting up a station on the moon.. Because there is nothing really to go back for. After Apollo 17 they had more than enough lumps of rock and from the six Apollo missions that landed they had learned that the Moon was just that. A barren dusty lump of rock, nothing more. Although some scientists would probably have had a base there high on their wish list. The cost of building, manning, and supplying it would have been (literally) astronomical. NASA's priority changed from the Moon to developing a re-usable spacecraft (Space Shuttle) to cater for the growing satellite market (both military and non military) The moon rock that Armstrong and Aldrin gave to the Dutch prime minister turned out to just be petrified wood. (Probably all are). NASA have said most of the moon rocks they brought back have gone missing. Wrong and wrong again. Firstly Armstrong and Aldrin never presented a moon rock, or anything else, to the Dutch Prime Minister. The country received two tiny fragments of rock, one from Apollo 11 and another "goodwill rock" from Apollo 17. Both of these are accounted for and genuine. The piece of wood that was left as a "moon rock" to the Rijksmuseum was almost certainly always just that, a lump of wood. It had been given to former (note former) Prime minister Willem Drees by the then US Ambassador to Holland J.W.Middendorf. Drees who was not only over 10 years out of office but was also blind and nearly deaf when he received it, and according to his Grandson, mistakenly believed that it was a genuine piece of the Moon. It should also be noted that the Apollo 11 crew were visiting Holland as part of a goodwill tour when it was presented, which to a blind almost deaf and probably confused old man would add c_edence to his mistaken belief. Also at 89 grams it was huge by comparison to the actual Moon rocks presented to the Dutch nation which had a combined weight of 0.05 grams. Bottom line is that an old man was given a fossil and due to confusion and timing he thought it was from the Moon. OK next point. Most of the Moon rocks returned to Earth have NOT gone missing. The ones that have disappea_ed are mostly the Apollo 17 "goodwill rocks" that the Nixon administration presented to the nations of the world, and quite a few of the original Apollo 11 rocks that were dished out in a similar way. The disappearance of these is nothing more sinister than corruption and greed. Most are believed to have been sold to private collectors by corrupt government officials or heads of state (Spain being a very good example) The total weight of all the rocks distributed around the world is less than half a kilo. The vast majority (if not all) of NASA's own stock (382 kilo's) is locked away and accounted for and small samples are given for research and larger rocks are loaned for exhibitions. Your two assertions are classic examples of taking one story and turning it on its head to make another. No such thing as moon rocks anyway. We havnt been there...so therefore everything you wrote means nothing. Doesn't matter what buzz or niel gave the Dutch pm, or anything about moon rocks going awol. Never been to the moon, never will. Yes you are probably right. It is just too difficult to lift off from a flat earth. "Lifting off from a flat earth is fine. Just try getting past the van halen radiotion belts otherwise known as the firmanent.  | |||
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"There's loads of things the public are fooled with. And I think moon landing is of of them.. so yea. Guess I'm a tin hat man We uesd to lock lunatics up in asylums now we just give them the internet... Is that a joke ?? Lunatics ....as in Lunar .....I saw what you did then ...... As in looked in a mirror ... now you will get 7 years bad luck " | |||
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"Watched the this morning programme with eammon and ruth ....interesting debate on there .... that says the moon landing was false ....and because of modern day research and availability to go on line ....there is no evidence to prove it ever happened" I think the moon is infact made out of green cheese after all and it was just a conspiracy to debunk this theory. | |||
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"Would you like to explain why, at the height of the cold war, the Soviets never exposed the fakery and why, of the thousands of people who must have been involved in said fakery, not one has. "confessed"? Just playing devil's advocate. I would imagine that NASA is significantly modular enough so that each compartment may be capable of being told all the other compartments are done and it ok theirs only half works or fails and they'd just assume that's a correct assessment. After that nobody in NASA need know it's a fake. They would all watch people go up into space. Then move to other systems to check their progress. These systems may only be controlled by a few people and some of these may again be modularised so that some people didn't know what they were doing or that it was fake. As such, the conspiracy itself could have been conducted with an elite squad of special psy ops people and the astronauts. They would have also needed to hide the orbiting space module before it re-ente_ed our atmosphere and landed in time to a cue. By minimalising and segmenting off the amount of people who were genuinely involved in the hoax and aiming not to con the Russians but rather to con NASA, this would have been a far more effective way of convincing the Russians. It's hard to deny something happened that a large team of clever scientists are totally convinced happened. Having it confirmed that NASA itself was totally convinced they'd landed on the moon, it followed in the mind of Americas enemies that they therefore had. Just devil's advocate. But thought I'd highlight how sometimes anti-conspiracy people's version of "what must have happened for it to have been a conspiracy" can be a bit dumb and short sighted. Sometimes that's a bit of a strawman argument "There's a Mitchell and Webb sketch where the point is made that given the huge complexity and expense involved in making a convincing fake trip to the moon, you may as well just make a real trip.. It's astonishing is it not that all these people on the Internet can spot the evidence that shows the trip was fake, yet in the 22 years of the Ussrs existence after the moon landing not one of their highly intelligent scientists thought there was enough evidence to suggest the landing was fake. Think of what a massive propaganda victory that would have been for them. Frankly moon landing denial is up there with Holocaust denial and flat earth theorists. It's a strong indication that you're not the brightest tool in the box... | |||
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"Watched the this morning programme with eammon and ruth ....interesting debate on there .... that says the moon landing was false ....and because of modern day research and availability to go on line ....there is no evidence to prove it ever happened" Neil Armstrong and buzz aldrins footsteps are on the moon it was televised and let's face it seeing is believing | |||
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"They were still using baked bean cans and string as telephones back then, but by some miracle we got a rocket to the moon with all the technological capability of a Casio calculator. We can’t even get to the moon now ! This is what I find strange if they managed it all them years ago why has no one ever been back since. Surely with modern tech we would be setting up a station on the moon.. Because there is nothing really to go back for. After Apollo 17 they had more than enough lumps of rock and from the six Apollo missions that landed they had learned that the Moon was just that. A barren dusty lump of rock, nothing more. Although some scientists would probably have had a base there high on their wish list. The cost of building, manning, and supplying it would have been (literally) astronomical. NASA's priority changed from the Moon to developing a re-usable spacecraft (Space Shuttle) to cater for the growing satellite market (both military and non military) The moon rock that Armstrong and Aldrin gave to the Dutch prime minister turned out to just be petrified wood. (Probably all are). NASA have said most of the moon rocks they brought back have gone missing. Wrong and wrong again. Firstly Armstrong and Aldrin never presented a moon rock, or anything else, to the Dutch Prime Minister. The country received two tiny fragments of rock, one from Apollo 11 and another "goodwill rock" from Apollo 17. Both of these are accounted for and genuine. The piece of wood that was left as a "moon rock" to the Rijksmuseum was almost certainly always just that, a lump of wood. It had been given to former (note former) Prime minister Willem Drees by the then US Ambassador to Holland J.W.Middendorf. Drees who was not only over 10 years out of office but was also blind and nearly deaf when he received it, and according to his Grandson, mistakenly believed that it was a genuine piece of the Moon. It should also be noted that the Apollo 11 crew were visiting Holland as part of a goodwill tour when it was presented, which to a blind almost deaf and probably confused old man would add c_edence to his mistaken belief. Also at 89 grams it was huge by comparison to the actual Moon rocks presented to the Dutch nation which had a combined weight of 0.05 grams. Bottom line is that an old man was given a fossil and due to confusion and timing he thought it was from the Moon. OK next point. Most of the Moon rocks returned to Earth have NOT gone missing. The ones that have disappea_ed are mostly the Apollo 17 "goodwill rocks" that the Nixon administration presented to the nations of the world, and quite a few of the original Apollo 11 rocks that were dished out in a similar way. The disappearance of these is nothing more sinister than corruption and greed. Most are believed to have been sold to private collectors by corrupt government officials or heads of state (Spain being a very good example) The total weight of all the rocks distributed around the world is less than half a kilo. The vast majority (if not all) of NASA's own stock (382 kilo's) is locked away and accounted for and small samples are given for research and larger rocks are loaned for exhibitions. Your two assertions are classic examples of taking one story and turning it on its head to make another. No such thing as moon rocks anyway. We havnt been there...so therefore everything you wrote means nothing. Doesn't matter what buzz or niel gave the Dutch pm, or anything about moon rocks going awol. Never been to the moon, never will. Yes you are probably right. It is just too difficult to lift off from a flat earth.
Lifting off from a flat earth is fine.
Just try getting past the van halen radiotion belts otherwise known as the firmanent.
"Is this serious? about the van allen belts? flat earthers have been trying this one for ages lol.. It's all been explained before that the amount of radiation would not affect astronauts to any degree by the amount of exposure they would have travelling through it...ffs...they even knew about going through it at a certain point to _educe the chances of prolonged exposure. Again, moon deniers,flat earthers..always appear to pick what parts of the science facts they like, while denying the entirety of the evidence. | |||
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"They were still using baked bean cans and string as telephones back then, but by some miracle we got a rocket to the moon with all the technological capability of a Casio calculator. We can’t even get to the moon now ! This is what I find strange if they managed it all them years ago why has no one ever been back since. Surely with modern tech we would be setting up a station on the moon.. Because there is nothing really to go back for. After Apollo 17 they had more than enough lumps of rock and from the six Apollo missions that landed they had learned that the Moon was just that. A barren dusty lump of rock, nothing more. Although some scientists would probably have had a base there high on their wish list. The cost of building, manning, and supplying it would have been (literally) astronomical. NASA's priority changed from the Moon to developing a re-usable spacecraft (Space Shuttle) to cater for the growing satellite market (both military and non military) The moon rock that Armstrong and Aldrin gave to the Dutch prime minister turned out to just be petrified wood. (Probably all are). NASA have said most of the moon rocks they brought back have gone missing. Wrong and wrong again. Firstly Armstrong and Aldrin never presented a moon rock, or anything else, to the Dutch Prime Minister. The country received two tiny fragments of rock, one from Apollo 11 and another "goodwill rock" from Apollo 17. Both of these are accounted for and genuine. The piece of wood that was left as a "moon rock" to the Rijksmuseum was almost certainly always just that, a lump of wood. It had been given to former (note former) Prime minister Willem Drees by the then US Ambassador to Holland J.W.Middendorf. Drees who was not only over 10 years out of office but was also blind and nearly deaf when he received it, and according to his Grandson, mistakenly believed that it was a genuine piece of the Moon. It should also be noted that the Apollo 11 crew were visiting Holland as part of a goodwill tour when it was presented, which to a blind almost deaf and probably confused old man would add c_edence to his mistaken belief. Also at 89 grams it was huge by comparison to the actual Moon rocks presented to the Dutch nation which had a combined weight of 0.05 grams. Bottom line is that an old man was given a fossil and due to confusion and timing he thought it was from the Moon. OK next point. Most of the Moon rocks returned to Earth have NOT gone missing. The ones that have disappea_ed are mostly the Apollo 17 "goodwill rocks" that the Nixon administration presented to the nations of the world, and quite a few of the original Apollo 11 rocks that were dished out in a similar way. The disappearance of these is nothing more sinister than corruption and greed. Most are believed to have been sold to private collectors by corrupt government officials or heads of state (Spain being a very good example) The total weight of all the rocks distributed around the world is less than half a kilo. The vast majority (if not all) of NASA's own stock (382 kilo's) is locked away and accounted for and small samples are given for research and larger rocks are loaned for exhibitions. Your two assertions are classic examples of taking one story and turning it on its head to make another. No such thing as moon rocks anyway. We havnt been there...so therefore everything you wrote means nothing. Doesn't matter what buzz or niel gave the Dutch pm, or anything about moon rocks going awol. Never been to the moon, never will. Yes you are probably right. It is just too difficult to lift off from a flat earth.
Lifting off from a flat earth is fine.
Just try getting past the van halen radiotion belts otherwise known as the firmanent.
Says the expert on the Van Allen belts who can't even get the name right. "I rather like the idea of the Van Halen belt. Is it full of heavy metal artistes? | |||
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"They were still using baked bean cans and string as telephones back then, but by some miracle we got a rocket to the moon with all the technological capability of a Casio calculator. We can’t even get to the moon now ! This is what I find strange if they managed it all them years ago why has no one ever been back since. Surely with modern tech we would be setting up a station on the moon.. Because there is nothing really to go back for. After Apollo 17 they had more than enough lumps of rock and from the six Apollo missions that landed they had learned that the Moon was just that. A barren dusty lump of rock, nothing more. Although some scientists would probably have had a base there high on their wish list. The cost of building, manning, and supplying it would have been (literally) astronomical. NASA's priority changed from the Moon to developing a re-usable spacecraft (Space Shuttle) to cater for the growing satellite market (both military and non military) The moon rock that Armstrong and Aldrin gave to the Dutch prime minister turned out to just be petrified wood. (Probably all are). NASA have said most of the moon rocks they brought back have gone missing. Wrong and wrong again. Firstly Armstrong and Aldrin never presented a moon rock, or anything else, to the Dutch Prime Minister. The country received two tiny fragments of rock, one from Apollo 11 and another "goodwill rock" from Apollo 17. Both of these are accounted for and genuine. The piece of wood that was left as a "moon rock" to the Rijksmuseum was almost certainly always just that, a lump of wood. It had been given to former (note former) Prime minister Willem Drees by the then US Ambassador to Holland J.W.Middendorf. Drees who was not only over 10 years out of office but was also blind and nearly deaf when he received it, and according to his Grandson, mistakenly believed that it was a genuine piece of the Moon. It should also be noted that the Apollo 11 crew were visiting Holland as part of a goodwill tour when it was presented, which to a blind almost deaf and probably confused old man would add c_edence to his mistaken belief. Also at 89 grams it was huge by comparison to the actual Moon rocks presented to the Dutch nation which had a combined weight of 0.05 grams. Bottom line is that an old man was given a fossil and due to confusion and timing he thought it was from the Moon. OK next point. Most of the Moon rocks returned to Earth have NOT gone missing. The ones that have disappea_ed are mostly the Apollo 17 "goodwill rocks" that the Nixon administration presented to the nations of the world, and quite a few of the original Apollo 11 rocks that were dished out in a similar way. The disappearance of these is nothing more sinister than corruption and greed. Most are believed to have been sold to private collectors by corrupt government officials or heads of state (Spain being a very good example) The total weight of all the rocks distributed around the world is less than half a kilo. The vast majority (if not all) of NASA's own stock (382 kilo's) is locked away and accounted for and small samples are given for research and larger rocks are loaned for exhibitions. Your two assertions are classic examples of taking one story and turning it on its head to make another. No such thing as moon rocks anyway. We havnt been there...so therefore everything you wrote means nothing. Doesn't matter what buzz or niel gave the Dutch pm, or anything about moon rocks going awol. Never been to the moon, never will. Yes you are probably right. It is just too difficult to lift off from a flat earth.
Lifting off from a flat earth is fine.
Just try getting past the van halen radiotion belts otherwise known as the firmanent.
Says the expert on the Van Allen belts who can't even get the name right.
I rather like the idea of the Van Halen belt. Is it full of heavy metal artistes? "I suppose if it was the Van Halen belts then you would just be able to "Jump" through them | |||
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"It says more about the people who believe what they are told religiously than it does about about people who question everything. We were told saddam had wmd’s. People lie for their own agenda. Especially govts and their agencies. " Do your research. During the Iran-Iraq war both sides used chemical weapons. After the 1st Gulf War Saddam used chemical weaponds on th Kurds. These two examples prove Saddam had chemical weapons and the means with which to deploy them. | |||
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"It says more about the people who believe what they are told religiously than it does about about people who question everything. We were told saddam had wmd’s. People lie for their own agenda. Especially govts and their agencies. Do your research. During the Iran-Iraq war both sides used chemical weapons. After the 1st Gulf War Saddam used chemical weaponds on th Kurds. These two examples prove Saddam had chemical weapons and the means with which to deploy them." So NOT nuclear then like blair n bush were spouting about? | |||
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" Frankly moon landing denial is up there with Holocaust denial and flat earth theorists. It's a strong indication that you're not the brightest tool in the box... " It really should be flat earth and conspiracy fantasists, as a theory requires a tested, well substantiated and a unifying explanation for a set of verified and proven factors. Which none of the deniers have and will ever have. The only real hoax is the denial fantasy. | |||
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"heres a great example of a flattard response, obviously based around the 'nasa lies':- "Richard Hopkins where is your proof that the ball earth distances are correct. Oh. You believe nasasholes.. Bwaahhaahhhaahhaa. Gobble gobble gobble... The Ballshit distancez are from fe map. Yoy explain why ALL archaeological uncovering reveal/depict the FE with a dome.. NEVER a spinning ball. Lose again.. You believe a fairy take invented by a Catholic priest with no telescope. What evidence did he show to prove the moon and planets are solid balls... A.. NONE. He guessed it, And there is still no proof because they arn't planets. Guliable fool.. Venus is transparent. Explain that... So is the moon. Explain that... Yoy cannot because there is no evidence to prove it. At least the FE has real proof /evidence... Not based on cartoon photos.. Bwaahhaahhhaahhaa.. There are better CGIs of father Christmas.. I suppose you think he is real because the Cgi's prove it, right.. Haw haw haw... You are a sad joke..?" "Are you now telling me that Father Christmas isn't real? You've just ruined my life.
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"heres a great example of a flattard response, obviously based around the 'nasa lies':- "Richard Hopkins where is your proof that the ball earth distances are correct. Oh. You believe nasasholes.. Bwaahhaahhhaahhaa. Gobble gobble gobble... The Ballshit distancez are from fe map. Yoy explain why ALL archaeological uncovering reveal/depict the FE with a dome.. NEVER a spinning ball. Lose again.. You believe a fairy take invented by a Catholic priest with no telescope. What evidence did he show to prove the moon and planets are solid balls... A.. NONE. He guessed it, And there is still no proof because they arn't planets. Guliable fool.. Venus is transparent. Explain that... So is the moon. Explain that... Yoy cannot because there is no evidence to prove it. At least the FE has real proof /evidence... Not based on cartoon photos.. Bwaahhaahhhaahhaa.. There are better CGIs of father Christmas.. I suppose you think he is real because the Cgi's prove it, right.. Haw haw haw... You are a sad joke..?"
Are you now telling me that Father Christmas isn't real?
You've just ruined my life.
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" Frankly moon landing denial is up there with Holocaust denial and flat earth theorists. It's a strong indication that you're not the brightest tool in the box... It really should be flat earth and conspiracy fantasists, as a theory requires a tested, well substantiated and a unifying explanation for a set of verified and proven factors. Which none of the deniers have and will ever have. The only real hoax is the denial fantasy. "Absolutely.
However, when you think about it, It's quite, nay very, insulting to the guys who actually did the Apollo flights and their p_edecessors in the Mercury and Gemini programmes.
These guys sat on top of what was basically a giant firework and blasted off into the unknown. They then left the orbit of the Earth and set off to the Moon using little more than a slingshot technique, then landed on a lump of inhospitable rock while in a vacuum with only their suits as protection. None could be sure they would ever see their families again (and 3 very nearly didn't)
It is also very insulting to the memory of the 3 that died in the Apollo 1 fire and the subsequent Space Shuttle tragedies.
All for what? Five minutes of fame as an internet expert on fuck all.
Armstrong, Aldrin, Collins, Conrad, Bean, Gordon, Lovell, Swiggert, Haise, Sheppard, Roosa, Mitchell, Scott, Irwin, Worden, Young, Duke, Mattingly, Cernan, Evans, and Schmitt are worth a million keyboard warriors who have basically achieved fuck all in comparison. Those guys really did have "The Right Stuff" | |||
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"Would you like to explain why, at the height of the cold war, the Soviets never exposed the fakery and why, of the thousands of people who must have been involved in said fakery, not one has. "confessed"? Just playing devil's advocate. I would imagine that NASA is significantly modular enough so that each compartment may be capable of being told all the other compartments are done and it ok theirs only half works or fails and they'd just assume that's a correct assessment. After that nobody in NASA need know it's a fake. They would all watch people go up into space. Then move to other systems to check their progress. These systems may only be controlled by a few people and some of these may again be modularised so that some people didn't know what they were doing or that it was fake. As such, the conspiracy itself could have been conducted with an elite squad of special psy ops people and the astronauts. They would have also needed to hide the orbiting space module before it re-ente_ed our atmosphere and landed in time to a cue. By minimalising and segmenting off the amount of people who were genuinely involved in the hoax and aiming not to con the Russians but rather to con NASA, this would have been a far more effective way of convincing the Russians. It's hard to deny something happened that a large team of clever scientists are totally convinced happened. Having it confirmed that NASA itself was totally convinced they'd landed on the moon, it followed in the mind of Americas enemies that they therefore had. Just devil's advocate. But thought I'd highlight how sometimes anti-conspiracy people's version of "what must have happened for it to have been a conspiracy" can be a bit dumb and short sighted. Sometimes that's a bit of a strawman argument
There's a Mitchell and Webb sketch where the point is made that given the huge complexity and expense involved in making a convincing fake trip to the moon, you may as well just make a real trip..
It's astonishing is it not that all these people on the Internet can spot the evidence that shows the trip was fake, yet in the 22 years of the Ussrs existence after the moon landing not one of their highly intelligent scientists thought there was enough evidence to suggest the landing was fake. Think of what a massive propaganda victory that would have been for them.
Frankly moon landing denial is up there with Holocaust denial and flat earth theorists. It's a strong indication that you're not the brightest tool in the box... "Sometimes I just agree with F_ed Hoyle "it is better to be interesting and wrong than boring and right"
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"Would you like to explain why, at the height of the cold war, the Soviets never exposed the fakery and why, of the thousands of people who must have been involved in said fakery, not one has. "confessed"? Just playing devil's advocate. I would imagine that NASA is significantly modular enough so that each compartment may be capable of being told all the other compartments are done and it ok theirs only half works or fails and they'd just assume that's a correct assessment. After that nobody in NASA need know it's a fake. They would all watch people go up into space. Then move to other systems to check their progress. These systems may only be controlled by a few people and some of these may again be modularised so that some people didn't know what they were doing or that it was fake. As such, the conspiracy itself could have been conducted with an elite squad of special psy ops people and the astronauts. They would have also needed to hide the orbiting space module before it re-ente_ed our atmosphere and landed in time to a cue. By minimalising and segmenting off the amount of people who were genuinely involved in the hoax and aiming not to con the Russians but rather to con NASA, this would have been a far more effective way of convincing the Russians. It's hard to deny something happened that a large team of clever scientists are totally convinced happened. Having it confirmed that NASA itself was totally convinced they'd landed on the moon, it followed in the mind of Americas enemies that they therefore had. Just devil's advocate. But thought I'd highlight how sometimes anti-conspiracy people's version of "what must have happened for it to have been a conspiracy" can be a bit dumb and short sighted. Sometimes that's a bit of a strawman argument
There's a Mitchell and Webb sketch where the point is made that given the huge complexity and expense involved in making a convincing fake trip to the moon, you may as well just make a real trip..
It's astonishing is it not that all these people on the Internet can spot the evidence that shows the trip was fake, yet in the 22 years of the Ussrs existence after the moon landing not one of their highly intelligent scientists thought there was enough evidence to suggest the landing was fake. Think of what a massive propaganda victory that would have been for them.
Frankly moon landing denial is up there with Holocaust denial and flat earth theorists. It's a strong indication that you're not the brightest tool in the box...
Sometimes I just agree with F_ed Hoyle "it is better to be interesting and wrong than boring and right"
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"I don’t have sports or entertainment heroes. But to me the 12 Apollo Astronauts who walked on the moon plus the 12 who flew to the moon without landing and all the other astronauts who trained but never flew are the real heroes of this world. I also include all the Soviet cosmonauts... I had the privilege of meeting Shuttle commander Ken Cameron a few years ago and that far better than any sports personality I have met and I have met quite a number over the years... We went to and landed on the moon on July 21st 1969. I really don’t expect the denial fantatsis to believe as you can’t teach stupid. To the rational here I recommend the film - In the shadow of the moon. “Tranquility base here. The Eagle has landed” Thread closed..... "Good post | |||
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"Sometimes I just agree with F_ed Hoyle "it is better to be interesting and wrong than boring and right"
...and it can be soooo boring being right Zzzz
I think a huge part of the current problems in the world are due to people spouting bollocks because it makes them look interesting. "I think a huge part of the current problems in the world are due to people spouting bollocks because they think they're right. | |||
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"Didnt happen in my opinion. We cant get past the radiation belt. Have never been back there. Nasa says they dont have the tech to go back there as it was destroyed. All the data has been destroyed. All apollo moon landings where all led by a nazi german scientist who surrende_ed to US in ww2 called Wernher von Braun. The fact that our phones are hund_eds of times more powerful than the computer systems they used to get to the moon. I dont care if im the odd one out or if _abio wants to slap me. I dont believe weve been to the moon. " Never been back there? There have been six manned landings on the moon. So that’s half your argument out of the window. | |||
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. It can’t be a remote control camera because the time delay to earth and back would take too long for this live footage. | |||
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"One thing that still bothers me. Apollo 17, the last one. There’s footage of the landing craft taking off to rejoin the capsule orbiting the moon. If it was a fixed camera then the craft would disappear up off the screen. But instead the camera follows the craft upwards!! It’s almost as if there’s someone holding the camera . It can’t be a remote control camera because the time delay to earth and back would take too long for this live footage. "The time of engine ignition, time of liftoff and rate of climb were all known within reasonable margins beforehand. Easy to pre-program the camera to keep the LEM upper stage in shot during liftoff. I've seen the footage; if someone had been holding the camera I would have expected better results. | |||
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"It says more about the people who believe what they are told religiously than it does about about people who question everything. We were told saddam had wmd’s. People lie for their own agenda. Especially govts and their agencies. Do your research. During the Iran-Iraq war both sides used chemical weapons. After the 1st Gulf War Saddam used chemical weaponds on th Kurds. These two examples prove Saddam had chemical weapons and the means with which to deploy them. So NOT nuclear then like blair n bush were spouting about?" WMD's encompass Nuclear, Biological, Chemical and Radiological weapons, and the fear was that Saddam had chemical weapons capable of reaching a number of other countries. | |||
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