FabSwingers.com forum: Blue badges for mental disability

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I hear that there is a plan to extend the blue badge to those with 'hidden' disabilities, such as autism. Since when does a mental disability impact on a person's ability to walk? They're just going to take parking spaces away from those who really need them or are we going to see more blue badge spaces being introduced impacting the rest of us?

Surely if someone has a mental condition they shouldn't be driving in the first place, there's enough nutters on the roads already.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I hear that there is a plan to extend the blue badge to those with 'hidden' disabilities, such as autism. Since when does a mental disability impact on a person's ability to walk? They're just going to take parking spaces away from those who really need them or are we going to see more blue badge spaces being introduced impacting the rest of us?

Surely if someone has a mental condition they shouldn't be driving in the first place, there's enough nutters on the roads already."

Your lovely you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’ll wear one voluntarily

On a serious note I think it might help some people as people will be helpful towards them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Surely if someone has a mental condition they shouldn't be driving in the first place, there's enough nutters on the roads already."

So, my brother who has autism shouldn’t be allowed to drive? Why is this? He’s probably safer off driving - his coordination skills when walking are hopeless, he cannot walk in a straight line. Yet can drive perfectly fine. You could argue that if you’re in a wheelchair, you shouldn’t drive - but this is absurd.

However - my mother in law is extremely overweight. That is all. No disability, just fat. And she has a blue badge. She was trying to get one for years, and despite not speaking to them for over a year, I keep seeing their family car parked in a disabled space, with the blue badge holder. She got her wish. Ridiculous.

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By *iss SJWoman
over a year ago

Hull

Surely if someone has a mental condition they shouldn't be driving in the first place, there's enough nutters on the roads already."

Nutters? Really?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who are we to judge ..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ok , my son has one he’s classed as having a mental disability. He’s not safe to be left alone, his behaviour can be erratic and would wander or run off if not physically restrained. You try doing that to a fully grown adult and dealing with shopping etc. It’s a safety issue, and you will find that they are already issued to many autistic people. X

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Surely if someone has a mental condition they shouldn't be driving in the first place, there's enough nutters on the roads already."

Certainly hope you are just playing devil's advocate here.

If not is does show a great deal of ignorance about the condition and needs of those with mental health issues.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think you've got an overall interesting point but just need to cut out the deliberately controversy.

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By *SAchickWoman
over a year ago

Hillside desolate

Nutters isn't a very nice term to use to describe people with a mental disability. And if they've passed a driving test why shouldn't they drive? Also bear in mind blue badges can be issued to non drivers so their family can take them places, so not all of the "nutters" will be driving themselves.

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By *rolicerMan
over a year ago

Abergele

No space left in carparks soon.

The blue badge is widely missus now, add another 4 million people...

Just need a better way to ensure it is only used when the real person is actually using it, not other family members just for their convince.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nutters isn't a very nice term to use to describe people with a mental disability. And if they've passed a driving test why shouldn't they drive? Also bear in mind blue badges can be issued to non drivers so their family can take them places, so not all of the "nutters" will be driving themselves. "

I was just away to say that

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

Nutters?

Any need to end your post with that label. So wide of the mark

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just WOW!!!! The ignorance on you OP

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Reported!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's people like you, that make it impossible for people with mental health conditions to come forward and seek help!!!

"There's enough nutters on the road"

Yes, there are but I guarantee they are just "normal" people like you.

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

Surely if someone has a mental condition they shouldn't be driving in the first place, there's enough nutters on the roads already."

They are not necessarily driving . They can use it in any car they are being transported in, so don't worry....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Surely if someone has a mental condition they shouldn't be driving in the first place, there's enough nutters on the roads already."

I used to like you

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Reported!!!! "

Reported for saying 'nutters' ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reported!!!! "

Oh behave. Deary me.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Surely if someone has a mental condition they shouldn't be driving in the first place, there's enough nutters on the roads already.

Certainly hope you are just playing devil's advocate here.

If not is does show a great deal of ignorance about the condition and needs of those with mental health issues."

Very much devil's advocate. I am concerned that such a move to widen blue badge ownership will impact those that need it the most, ie those that struggle to walk any distance.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

People may struggle to get the distance for reasons other than mobility. Personally, I can't see considering invisible and/or psychological impairment on a par with physical impairment as a bad thing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ok , my son has one he’s classed as having a mental disability. He’s not safe to be left alone, his behaviour can be erratic and would wander or run off if not physically restrained. You try doing that to a fully grown adult and dealing with shopping etc. It’s a safety issue, and you will find that they are already issued to many autistic people. X "

That makes sense. I did wonder why someone with autism (etc) would get one but you've explained it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reported!!!! "

Bit OTT don't you think!

The subject might be controversial and the op may have used a word that people will undoubtedly find offensive but the forum is all about debate and he has started one about a subject that some of us might learn something from and become more aware about!

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

Surely if someone has a mental condition they shouldn't be driving in the first place, there's enough nutters on the roads already."

Your ignorance is quite astonishing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No space left in carparks soon.

The blue badge is widely missus now, add another 4 million people...

Just need a better way to ensure it is only used when the real person is actually using it, not other family members just for their convince."

I think this is what the OP refers to. If 90% of people have blue badges it will make them useless. There will be no spaces left.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Surely if someone has a mental condition they shouldn't be driving in the first place, there's enough nutters on the roads already.

Certainly hope you are just playing devil's advocate here.

If not is does show a great deal of ignorance about the condition and needs of those with mental health issues.

Very much devil's advocate. I am concerned that such a move to widen blue badge ownership will impact those that need it the most, ie those that struggle to walk any distance."

I see where you are coming from,however being able to walk a distance or not walk a distance is not governed by the quality of a persons legs alone.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Surely if someone has a mental condition they shouldn't be driving in the first place, there's enough nutters on the roads already."

The most vulgar thing I've read on here for a while.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reported!!!!

Bit OTT don't you think!

"Nutters" was aimed at the able bodied already driving on the roads was it not? Don't think OP was branding disabled people as nutters. Not intentionally anyway.

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By *essica jamiesonWoman
over a year ago

edinburgh

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Surely if someone has a mental condition they shouldn't be driving in the first place, there's enough nutters on the roads already.

Your ignorance is quite astonishing. "

Having read the responses to my op i have to agree.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've seen the expression "too many nutters on the road" used a lot, and I assume it just means "bad drivers". It was just a little tactless for the OP to use the phrase in a thread about mental illnesses. Yes, I agree - if the mental illness causes mobility problems, they should have a blue badge. If there are no associated problems, people shouldn't have a blue badge just for having a mental health problems.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Surely if someone has a mental condition they shouldn't be driving in the first place, there's enough nutters on the roads already."

I had loads to say. Then decided I've only just got back on the forums so I won't.

But really. Do you not understand mental health and the hidden disabilities at all

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By *inkerbell67Woman
over a year ago

Clacton on sea essex

Most people in there life will suffer from a mental heath problem ,even if its depression so will that mean your a nutter ,only small minded people with low intelligence would call people with metal problems nutters ,and probably never been around anybody with it ,dont for get they are human beings after all ..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

OP imagine for a moment if you can.

You're in a busy supermarket. Your senses in overload from the noises of people chatting, announcement, bleeping tills, children, trolleys, phones, the hum of the freezers, coffee machines, music, the collection tins. So many sounds it's painful. Then there's visual overload the lights so bright they are hurting your eyes and making you feel dizzy. The smells, cleaning products, fish counter, hot food, bakery, people. The place is busy and you feel anxious, you're finding it hard to breathe and to navigate around people and trolleys and stock. The coolness of the fridges section hits you and it feels like you're now also being stabbed. Imagine all those things at the same time and you panic. You're also trying to remember what you need to buy. You may also be worrying that it's obvious to people your having a panic attack. You're head is aching, you're finding it hard to breathe. Every hair on your body is standing on end and it feels like a thousand electric shocks going through your body.

Can you imagine feeling like that?

Now tell me why if someone is forced to go through all of that should they not be offered the opportunity to at least retreat to their car a little sooner to be able to try and catch their breath?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No space left in carparks soon.

The blue badge is widely missus now, add another 4 million people...

Just need a better way to ensure it is only used when the real person is actually using it, not other family members just for their convince.

I think this is what the OP refers to. If 90% of people have blue badges it will make them useless. There will be no spaces left.

I also think a portable version would be a good idea. Some people outwardly look ok but struggle to stand for long periods. Having a portable badge - like on their jacket - might mean people would be more likely to give up their seat on a bus or train. Same as they might for a heavily pregnant woman or someone on crutches, that they can see needs a seat. "
london underground have a badge you can get that lets people aware of that. I have one for my daughter as not every one can tell she is disabled but can not balance well.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"OP imagine for a moment if you can.

Can you imagine feeling like that?

Now tell me why if someone is forced to go through all of that should they not be offered the opportunity to at least retreat to their car a little sooner to be able to try and catch their breath?

Yes, i understand. I regret the terminology used in the last paragraph of my op. It was crass and ignorant and i apologise whole heartedly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So you blinking well should!!!!!!!

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Yes, i understand. I regret the terminology used in the last paragraph of my op. It was crass and ignorant and i apologise whole heartedly. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OP imagine for a moment if you can.

Can you imagine feeling like that?

Now tell me why if someone is forced to go through all of that should they not be offered the opportunity to at least retreat to their car a little sooner to be able to try and catch their breath?

Yes, i understand. I regret the terminology used in the last paragraph of my op. It was crass and ignorant and i apologise whole heartedly. "

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"OP imagine for a moment if you can.

Can you imagine feeling like that?

Now tell me why if someone is forced to go through all of that should they not be offered the opportunity to at least retreat to their car a little sooner to be able to try and catch their breath?

Yes, i understand. I regret the terminology used in the last paragraph of my op. It was crass and ignorant and i apologise whole heartedly. "

And "hidden" implies you don't believe they exist

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Surely if someone has a mental condition they shouldn't be driving in the first place, there's enough nutters on the roads already.

They are not necessarily driving . They can use it in any car they are being transported in, so don't worry...."

This is where I start to have problems with those spaces because surely they are rightly there for people with mobility issues so as to be closer to facilities?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

9ne more thing... you should be apologising for the whole post! How dare you say what you said! Who gives you the right to tell disabled people who can and who cannot have a blue badge? You need to go and educate yourself on all disability!! It's not just about someone with a visual disability it's sooo much more than that. Honestly you have me seething right now! You should think and educate yourself first ok on the things that you know absolutely nothing about before you spout off!! ....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I quite often refer to people on the road who drive dangerously and present a hazard to others as nutters. Doesn’t mean I’m accusing them of having mental health issues.

My mother has dementia and my brother and I describe some of the things she does as ‘nutty’ .. does it mean we are demeaning or not taking her condition seriously- no it doesn’t, but the sanctimonious language police would say otherwise.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No space left in carparks soon.

The blue badge is widely missus now, add another 4 million people...

Just need a better way to ensure it is only used when the real person is actually using it, not other family members just for their convince.

I think this is what the OP refers to. If 90% of people have blue badges it will make them useless. There will be no spaces left.

london underground have a badge you can get that lets people aware of that. I have one for my daughter as not every one can tell she is disabled but can not balance well. "

That's good they have one. There was a thread on here a few weeks ago and a lady said she often feels like she needs to sit down but daren't ask. She asked people to look up and notice if people looked like they needed a seat. So I did try and be more aware when I was on the tube.

I know people are pissed off at the OP but he's raised a good topic. It does help to raise awareness or make us think differently. I think that's a good thing.

Also if he'd worded his OP differently people might have passed it by and not posted. Or not given examples of their experiences. x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I work in mental health and belive me they are NOT NUTTERS its comments like that from the person who wrote this thread shows how ignorant you are !!! Grow up and educate yourself .

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"OP imagine for a moment if you can.

Can you imagine feeling like that?

Now tell me why if someone is forced to go through all of that should they not be offered the opportunity to at least retreat to their car a little sooner to be able to try and catch their breath?

You know you can get shopping delivered now ? You mention “forced to go through all that”

The “benefit” of getting to the car quicker is just a nonsense really . Sorry

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"9ne more thing... you should be apologising for the whole post! How dare you say what you said! Who gives you the right to tell disabled people who can and who cannot have a blue badge? You need to go and educate yourself on all disability!! It's not just about someone with a visual disability it's sooo much more than that. Honestly you have me seething right now! You should think and educate yourself first ok on the things that you know absolutely nothing about before you spout off!! .... "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"9ne more thing... you should be apologising for the whole post! How dare you say what you said! Who gives you the right to tell disabled people who can and who cannot have a blue badge? You need to go and educate yourself on all disability!! It's not just about someone with a visual disability it's sooo much imore than that. Honestly you have me seething right now! You should think and educate yourself first ok on the things that you know absolutely nothing about before you spout off!! .... "
its disgusting

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

Surely if someone has a mental condition they shouldn't be driving in the first place, there's enough nutters on the roads already.

They are not necessarily driving . They can use it in any car they are being transported in, so don't worry....

This is where I start to have problems with those spaces because surely they are rightly there for people with mobility issues so as to be closer to facilities?"

Sorry, what I was saying that, it's the disabled person that has the blue badge, to use in a car they are driving or are being driven in, so they are closer to facilities. It is a very difficult process to get a blue badge, as it should be, so hopefully it goes to those that genuinely need it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OP imagine for a moment if you can.

Can you imagine feeling like that?

Now tell me why if someone is forced to go through all of that should they not be offered the opportunity to at least retreat to their car a little sooner to be able to try and catch their breath?

Yes, i understand. I regret the terminology used in the last paragraph of my op. It was crass and ignorant and i apologise whole heartedly.

And "hidden" implies you don't believe they exist "

To me it just implies people that don't use wheelchairs or crutches. Not that issues don't exist. Like the examples I gave.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OP imagine for a moment if you can.

Can you imagine feeling like that?

Now tell me why if someone is forced to go through all of that should they not be offered the opportunity to at least retreat to their car a little sooner to be able to try and catch their breath?

You know you can get shopping delivered now ? You mention “forced to go through all that”

The “benefit” of getting to the car quicker is just a nonsense really . Sorry"

Not all supermarkets deliver

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"OP imagine for a moment if you can.

Can you imagine feeling like that?

Now tell me why if someone is forced to go through all of that should they not be offered the opportunity to at least retreat to their car a little sooner to be able to try and catch their breath?

You know you can get shopping delivered now ? You mention “forced to go through all that”

The “benefit” of getting to the car quicker is just a nonsense really . Sorry

Not all supermarkets deliver"

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By *crumdiddlyumptiousMan
over a year ago

Maybe the internet/forums isn't for you if words on a screen get you worked up so much

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By *hubnwife_36dd_ukCouple
over a year ago

chester

Surely if someone has a mental condition they shouldn't be driving in the first place, there's enough nutters on the roads already."

Ah yes, another pushy vocal group whose advocates know how to work the mechanism of power like so many other such groups now do.

You put it accurately, but perhaps a bit too harshly so no doubt the thought police will pile in on you before long.

You've got to remember that "mental problems" is the new industry/get out of trouble card, with the Royal seal of approval.

They are defining almost any difference from a very narrow norm as having some kind of "mental problem" label these days.

They seem to have forgotten that creating an entire society with mental problems probably causes many of those poor souls who really do have a serious problem to end up as just another statistic in the mass of people.

They're even sweeping our kids up in schools as part of their trawl. Catch'em young and keep 'em for life on the pills etc.

Don't forget we also need jobs for all those packs of newly qualified "experts" that come along each year from the colleges/commercial operations and even unis with their ticket from NVQ to 'ology in this new game.

The next step will be all the in-fighting as to which groups do get a badge and which don't.

Going to get interesting when there are way more blue badge holders than can be possibly accommodated in even an increased number of allocated parking spaces.

Perhaps we'll see a reversal of the car park layout: Non-blue badge holders (those few remaining wierdos who tag themselves normal) get the spaces near the store and the whole of the rest of the car park is for the majority (blue badge holders).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OP imagine for a moment if you can.

Can you imagine feeling like that?

Now tell me why if someone is forced to go through all of that should they not be offered the opportunity to at least retreat to their car a little sooner to be able to try and catch their breath?

You know you can get shopping delivered now ? You mention “forced to go through all that”

The “benefit” of getting to the car quicker is just a nonsense really . Sorry"

I'd completely disagree. I know a lot of adults on the spectrum who are forced to suffer the experience because even the quiet hours introduced by some shops are spoilt by insensitive pigs who feel they have more right than others.

As for your online shopping comment, there's often a minimum order or a fear that something isn't right when it arrives or a whole other host of reasons why they don't use it.

Lastly why shouldn't they be able to go shopping like everyone else?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reported!!!!

Bit OTT don't you think!

"Nutters" was aimed at the able bodied already driving on the roads was it not? Don't think OP was branding disabled people as nutters. Not intentionally anyway."

grasping at straws here... he wasnt aiming his reasoning towards disabled people..he was arguing that those with certain mental health issues are 'nutters'.

A pretty horrid response that could have been handled in a different manner- and one too often common in people thinking they can diagnose who needs help and who does not..and it is mainly a selfish thing, believing others to be getting special privilege which makes things unfair to themselves.

Either way, as a relative to a young disabled person who requires weight bearing help..we have drove to collect her and parked in a disabled area..some think we have just been lazy when they see us leave the car to get her... very easy to quick judge people..knowing fuck all about the situation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OP imagine for a moment if you can.

Can you imagine feeling like that?

Now tell me why if someone is forced to go through all of that should they not be offered the opportunity to at least retreat to their car a little sooner to be able to try and catch their breath?

You know you can get shopping delivered now ? You mention “forced to go through all that”

The “benefit” of getting to the car quicker is just a nonsense really . Sorry

Not all supermarkets deliver

Well they don’t lol. Where my brother lives there’s a local Lidl and that’s it for ages. Tesco won’t deliver to him as he is too far away from any Tesco, same for any other supermarket. For as many points you can argue that folk with mental disabilities don’t need blue badges, clearly more points for it have been made, hence why it is coming into affect

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

"OP imagine for a moment if you can.

Can you imagine feeling like that?

Now tell me why if someone is forced to go through all of that should they not be offered the opportunity to at least retreat to their car a little sooner to be able to try and catch their breath?

You know you can get shopping delivered now ? You mention “forced to go through all that”

The “benefit” of getting to the car quicker is just a nonsense really . Sorry"

I would think people with those issues still try to lead a normal life by going out and doing their shopping.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OP imagine for a moment if you can.

Can you imagine feeling like that?

Now tell me why if someone is forced to go through all of that should they not be offered the opportunity to at least retreat to their car a little sooner to be able to try and catch their breath?

You know you can get shopping delivered now ? You mention “forced to go through all that”

The “benefit” of getting to the car quicker is just a nonsense really . Sorry

I would think people with those issues still try to lead a normal life by going out and doing their shopping.

And that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

astonishingly..for those able bodied and non-nuttered minds...

its a fucking car park space.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

I know people are pissed off at the OP but he's raised a good topic. It does help to raise awareness or make us think differently. I think that's a good thing.

Also if he'd worded his OP differently people might have passed it by and not posted. Or not given examples of their experiences. x"

He did (even if the language was somewhat ill-considered).

Attitudes to mental health are changing slowly, helped not least by the likes of Princes Harry and William and their partners associating with campaigns.

The problem implicit in the OP is that he can't see the person's disability, so questions their entitlement to take up a space.

Disabilities are more than just physical impairments.

It looks like the Blue Badge scheme is catching up with that change in thinking.

I think that is good.

The brain is perhaps the least well understood and diagnosed organ of the human body. When it malfunctions, it isn't obvious to others.

There is still a stigma associated with it, too - the "pull yourself together" attitude of those who refuse to believe someone can be ill unless they are wearing a plaster cast on their head.

When it comes to judging someone's disabilities, I prefer to leave those judgements in the hands of professional clinicians. If that judgement entitles them to a blue badge space, absolutely fine.

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By *a Fee VerteWoman
over a year ago

Limbo

I'd consider disabled spaces to be for anyone who *genuinely* needs them. The most obvious need is for people whose disability impacts their mobility but as has already been pointed out up thread, they can also be useful from a safety perspective (where an individual has no mobility issue but lacks awareness of traffic for example, and no, they clearly wouldn't be the driver in that case but the passenger) or for people who suffer from sensory issues (and who can ninetheless be perfectly competent drivers) for whom supermarket shopping can be painfully overwhelming.

Of course, as with any perceived benefit, there will always be a selfish minority who try to take advantage but I'd rather cast a wider net to ensure people wuth disabilities whose lives are already made difficult enough through no fault of their own are helped in this small way than refuse to consider extending the scheme in case a few who don't properly qualify end up benefiting.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

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"OP imagine for a moment if you can.

Can you imagine feeling like that?

Now tell me why if someone is forced to go through all of that should they not be offered the opportunity to at least retreat to their car a little sooner to be able to try and catch their breath?

You know you can get shopping delivered now ? You mention “forced to go through all that”

The “benefit” of getting to the car quicker is just a nonsense really . Sorry

I would think people with those issues still try to lead a normal life by going out and doing their shopping.

And normal life for everyone includes the hassle of the supermarket car park

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"So you blinking well should!!!!!!!"

What's with the exclamation marks?

You'll end up using them all up and there will be none left for the rest of us.

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By *SAchickWoman
over a year ago

Hillside desolate

"OP imagine for a moment if you can.

Can you imagine feeling like that?

Now tell me why if someone is forced to go through all of that should they not be offered the opportunity to at least retreat to their car a little sooner to be able to try and catch their breath?

You know you can get shopping delivered now ? You mention “forced to go through all that”

The “benefit” of getting to the car quicker is just a nonsense really . Sorry"

You know it's not just supermarkets that have disabled spaces right?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OP imagine for a moment if you can.

Can you imagine feeling like that?

Now tell me why if someone is forced to go through all of that should they not be offered the opportunity to at least retreat to their car a little sooner to be able to try and catch their breath?

You know you can get shopping delivered now ? You mention “forced to go through all that”

The “benefit” of getting to the car quicker is just a nonsense really . Sorry

Not all supermarkets deliver"

Sorry this one dosent warrant a badge .

Getting to the car 3 minutes quicker will make no difference

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Surely if someone has a mental condition they shouldn't be driving in the first place, there's enough nutters on the roads already.

They are not necessarily driving . They can use it in any car they are being transported in, so don't worry....

This is where I start to have problems with those spaces because surely they are rightly there for people with mobility issues so as to be closer to facilities?

Personal view: I have only two experiences of someone obtaining a blue badge, my now departed mother and exfather-in-law. Both had no problems getting one and in my humble opinion neither needed one.

I reiterate, my own personal experience.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

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"OP imagine for a moment if you can.

Can you imagine feeling like that?

Now tell me why if someone is forced to go through all of that should they not be offered the opportunity to at least retreat to their car a little sooner to be able to try and catch their breath?

You know you can get shopping delivered now ? You mention “forced to go through all that”

The “benefit” of getting to the car quicker is just a nonsense really . Sorry

You know it's not just supermarkets that have disabled spaces right?

The point being ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OP imagine for a moment if you can.

Can you imagine feeling like that?

Now tell me why if someone is forced to go through all of that should they not be offered the opportunity to at least retreat to their car a little sooner to be able to try and catch their breath?

You know you can get shopping delivered now ? You mention “forced to go through all that”

The “benefit” of getting to the car quicker is just a nonsense really . Sorry

Not all supermarkets deliver

Sorry this one dosent warrant a badge .

Getting to the car 3 minutes quicker will make no difference "

Have you tried??

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

Surely if someone has a mental condition they shouldn't be driving in the first place, there's enough nutters on the roads already.

They are not necessarily driving . They can use it in any car they are being transported in, so don't worry....

This is where I start to have problems with those spaces because surely they are rightly there for people with mobility issues so as to be closer to facilities?

Personal view: I have only two experiences of someone obtaining a blue badge, my now departed mother and exfather-in-law. Both had no problems getting one and in my humble opinion neither needed one.

I reiterate, my own personal experience."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OP imagine for a moment if you can.

Can you imagine feeling like that?

Now tell me why if someone is forced to go through all of that should they not be offered the opportunity to at least retreat to their car a little sooner to be able to try and catch their breath?

You know you can get shopping delivered now ? You mention “forced to go through all that”

The “benefit” of getting to the car quicker is just a nonsense really . Sorry

Not all supermarkets deliver

Sorry this one dosent warrant a badge .

Getting to the car 3 minutes quicker will make no difference "

Bit like saying the noise of my feet on the ground as I appoach the car . The noise of other cars parking and leaving

Oh no the noise of the car keys as I get them from my pocket ..the beep of the alarm .the noise as I start the engine .all the other noises in the car park

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

"OP imagine for a moment if you can.

Can you imagine feeling like that?

Now tell me why if someone is forced to go through all of that should they not be offered the opportunity to at least retreat to their car a little sooner to be able to try and catch their breath?

You know you can get shopping delivered now ? You mention “forced to go through all that”

The “benefit” of getting to the car quicker is just a nonsense really . Sorry

I would think people with those issues still try to lead a normal life by going out and doing their shopping.

And normal life for everyone includes the hassle of the supermarket car park "

It can do, yes

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

Some abuse the system.Its human nature .However if I see a young healthy person skip out a sports car with a blue badge on it gets my rag A friend i know who feels the same has keyed the offending vehicle in the past .

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

"Some abuse the system.Its human nature .However if I see a young healthy person skip out a sports car with a blue badge on it gets my rag A friend i know who feels the same has keyed the offending vehicle in the past .

I see what you're saying, but to key a car is disgraceful and unlawful!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OP imagine for a moment if you can.

Can you imagine feeling like that?

Now tell me why if someone is forced to go through all of that should they not be offered the opportunity to at least retreat to their car a little sooner to be able to try and catch their breath?

You know you can get shopping delivered now ? You mention “forced to go through all that”

The “benefit” of getting to the car quicker is just a nonsense really . Sorry

Not all supermarkets deliver

Sorry this one dosent warrant a badge .

Getting to the car 3 minutes quicker will make no difference

Bit like saying the noise of my feet on the ground as I appoach the car . The noise of other cars parking and leaving

Oh no the noise of the car keys as I get them from my pocket ..the beep of the alarm .the noise as I start the engine .all the other noises in the car park "

You're missing the point. Yes all those things can also be difficult, however being back in the safe space away from others is often a help rather than a hinderence . I really wonder about some people. However I really won't waste anymore of my time feeding trolls on the forum today. I just hope that should you ever experience any difficulties people like you don't then try and make you feel bad about it as well

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reported!!!!

Bit OTT don't you think!

"Nutters" was aimed at the able bodied already driving on the roads was it not? Don't think OP was branding disabled people as nutters. Not intentionally anyway."

That's how I interpreted it... unfortunate choice of words is all!

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By *crumdiddlyumptiousMan
over a year ago

How do you know the person doesn't have a metal issue ? Or are you just assuming them don't because they are young and appear healthy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

your friend sounds like a cunt.

judge,jury,punisher and social justice warrior.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Getting a blue badge in my experience is like getting a Blue Peter one, near on impossible.

80+ parent, sight impaired, heart / stroke condition, because they could walk aided the required distance (albeit slower than a snail ) wasn’t allowed one.

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

There is a local man who has a disabled adult daughter and he drives a beautiful car, which she loves riding in. One very rainy day,his partner took the daughter into the supermarket whilst he got his bags out, put her blue badge up and thus walked away on his own. He came back to a disgusting note on his windscreen saying if he's driving a flash car, he shouldn't need to park in a disabled space...can you see how people can get it wrong?...

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

"Getting a blue badge in my experience is like getting a Blue Peter one, near on impossible.

80+ parent, sight impaired, heart / stroke condition, because they could walk aided the required distance (albeit slower than a snail ) wasn’t allowed one.

This is my experience too, with a family member who has terminal cancer and some days her walking is very limited.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

'Hidden' is not a term i've just invented for the purpose of this thread, it is in common usage and also applies to physical disabilities.

All of the people i've ever met with mental illness have been just as able bodied as myself but i'm not here to judge. What concerns me is that with modern society's urge/need to be inclusive these badges will be handed out willy-nilly at the expense of those with real physical need.

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's life isn't it some people get it wrong some get it right..If it wasn't abused then the self righteous wouldn't get out their keys .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OP imagine for a moment if you can.

Can you imagine feeling like that?

Now tell me why if someone is forced to go through all of that should they not be offered the opportunity to at least retreat to their car a little sooner to be able to try and catch their breath?

You know you can get shopping delivered now ? You mention “forced to go through all that”

The “benefit” of getting to the car quicker is just a nonsense really . Sorry

Not all supermarkets deliver

Sorry this one dosent warrant a badge .

Getting to the car 3 minutes quicker will make no difference

Bit like saying the noise of my feet on the ground as I appoach the car . The noise of other cars parking and leaving

Oh no the noise of the car keys as I get them from my pocket ..the beep of the alarm .the noise as I start the engine .all the other noises in the car park

If the person described in the post has those kind of problems coping with the stimuli of a supermarket, how do they react to the stimuli of traffic? Car horns, pedestrians, flashing light, bikes weaving in and out etc. In this case, it's not just a shopping trolley they risk losing control of, it's a two tonne lump of metal capable of speeds approaching 100 mph or more.

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

I have kids with autism, in almost all instances of autism come problems with mobility of some description. To say it would take away spaces from those with a real disability is an insult to those who suffer with autism. It is a very real disability and can have a profound effect on a person.

I have a blue badge for use when my kids are in the car, they cannot get out of the car in a normal sized space, have poor gross motor skills and terrible balance. The disabled spaces allow them to get out without hurting themselves and also without damaging other people's cars.

I suggest you go and educate yourself on mental disabilities of all kinds before you make such sweeping statements in the future.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's life isn't it some people get it wrong some get it right..If it wasn't abused then the self righteous wouldn't get out their keys ."

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"I have kids with autism, in almost all instances of autism come problems with mobility of some description. To say it would take away spaces from those with a real disability is an insult to those who suffer with autism. It is a very real disability and can have a profound effect on a person.

I suggest you go and educate yourself on mental disabilities of all kinds before you make such sweeping statements in the future."

Which statements are you on about?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I suggest you go and educate yourself on mental disabilities of all kinds before you make such sweeping statements in the future.

Which statements are you on about?"

Since when does a mental disability impact on a person's ability to walk?

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

That's life isn't it some people get it wrong some get it right..If it wasn't abused then the self righteous wouldn't get out their keys ."

But can you see how your friend may have got it wrong? Supposing it had been this man's car he had keyed? That's ok is it? It's not for him to judge, or indeed cause criminal damage to someone's car, when he doesn't know the circumstances and how was he personally affected by this?

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

I suggest you go and educate yourself on mental disabilities of all kinds before you make such sweeping statements in the future.

Which statements are you on about?

Since when does a mental disability impact on a person's ability to walk? "

I'm not trying to argue with you I was just interested in the statements you referred to. Hence my question.

I'm not in a position to answer your question to me, sorry

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

I suggest you go and educate yourself on mental disabilities of all kinds before you make such sweeping statements in the future."

Well said!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I suggest you go and educate yourself on mental disabilities of all kinds before you make such sweeping statements in the future.

Which statements are you on about?

Since when does a mental disability impact on a person's ability to walk?

I'm not trying to argue with you I was just interested in the statements you referred to. Hence my question.

I'm not in a position to answer your question to me, sorry"

That's what the op said, implying that mental disabilities don't affect a person's ability to walk, pretty sweeping statement.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

I work with a guy with aspergers, he's going to be getting one so he can park his mx5 in one of the disabled bays at work. I'm not sure how its going to help him. Unless walking 25 metres less each day will make him less of an entitled prick?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I suggest you go and educate yourself on mental disabilities of all kinds before you make such sweeping statements in the future."

Surely having poor gross motor skills and terrible balance is a physical disability as a consequence of having autism. This is not what my op was aimed at. Also mental disability covers a wide range of conditions, i merely used autism as an example.

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

I suggest you go and educate yourself on mental disabilities of all kinds before you make such sweeping statements in the future.

Which statements are you on about?

Since when does a mental disability impact on a person's ability to walk?

I'm not trying to argue with you I was just interested in the statements you referred to. Hence my question.

I'm not in a position to answer your question to me, sorry

That's what the op said, implying that mental disabilities don't affect a person's ability to walk, pretty sweeping statement."

This is why I asked which statement.

I only saw one statement (last paragraph) the rest I saw as questions being asked, hence the question marks.

I could well be wrong on it but it's how I saw it

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By *ixaWoman
over a year ago

kettering

"OP imagine for a moment if you can.

Can you imagine feeling like that?

Now tell me why if someone is forced to go through all of that should they not be offered the opportunity to at least retreat to their car a little sooner to be able to try and catch their breath?

I think if there was an abundance of parking spaces then yes it would be nice to offer people that bit of extra help but when there aren’t enough spaces for the people who can’t actually make it the longer distance to the additional parking spaces they have to park in when the disabled spaces are full, I don’t think we are in the position to be able to offer it, maybe as a society if we believe so many people need assistance with having to walk the extra spaces we need to rethink the parking first, until then I think it should be done on actual need

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"'Hidden' is not a term i've just invented for the purpose of this thread, it is in common usage and also applies to physical disabilities.

Again you are judging, “all the people I’ve met with mental illness are as able bodied as myself “ so you’re medically qualified to say so just by looking at someone. Hidden disabilities are that, not physically noticeable but non the less debilitating. Who are you to say that the blue badge shouldn’t be given to them if it just makes getting out that bit easier. Lots of times many of these people are out and can’t cope with everything that’s happening around them so need to make a quick exit, getting out of a normal parking space when you’ve got an adult in full meltdown mode is not something most people would want to attempt, again it’s a safety issue. Sorry but you really have no concept of what it’s like to have to deal with this everyday of your life. X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Surely if someone has a mental condition they shouldn't be driving in the first place, there's enough nutters on the roads already."

Wow.

Ignorance at its best.

Every heard of Dyspraxia????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Getting a blue badge in my experience is like getting a Blue Peter one, near on impossible.

80+ parent, sight impaired, heart / stroke condition, because they could walk aided the required distance (albeit slower than a snail ) wasn’t allowed one.

Seems to show the lack of consistency in obtaining one, exfather-in-law literally told his Doctor he couldn't walk 100m without struggling and he got one!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I suggest you go and educate yourself on mental disabilities of all kinds before you make such sweeping statements in the future.

Which statements are you on about?

Since when does a mental disability impact on a person's ability to walk?

I'm not trying to argue with you I was just interested in the statements you referred to. Hence my question.

I'm not in a position to answer your question to me, sorry

That's what the op said, implying that mental disabilities don't affect a person's ability to walk, pretty sweeping statement.

This is why I asked which statement.

I only saw one statement (last paragraph) the rest I saw as questions being asked, hence the question marks.

I could well be wrong on it but it's how I saw it"

It was indeed intended as questions to prompt debate. The last paragraph i regret writing and have already apologised for doing so.

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

"Getting a blue badge in my experience is like getting a Blue Peter one, near on impossible.

80+ parent, sight impaired, heart / stroke condition, because they could walk aided the required distance (albeit slower than a snail ) wasn’t allowed one.

Seems to show the lack of consistency in obtaining one, exfather-in-law literally told his Doctor he couldn't walk 100m without struggling and he got one!"

It is definitely inconsistent and there will always be some who will lie to get any kind of benefit, I don't know how they get around this, there are not enough resources to interview or assess these applicants face to face

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

I suggest you go and educate yourself on mental disabilities of all kinds before you make such sweeping statements in the future.

Which statements are you on about?

Since when does a mental disability impact on a person's ability to walk?

I'm not trying to argue with you I was just interested in the statements you referred to. Hence my question.

I'm not in a position to answer your question to me, sorry

That's what the op said, implying that mental disabilities don't affect a person's ability to walk, pretty sweeping statement.

This is why I asked which statement.

I only saw one statement (last paragraph) the rest I saw as questions being asked, hence the question marks.

I could well be wrong on it but it's how I saw it

It was indeed intended as questions to prompt debate. The last paragraph i regret writing and have already apologised for doing so."

I know OP.

A lot are reading your post and skipping to the last to add theirs and missing out the important middle bits.

I miss read it and took offence but when you explained what you mentioned I accepted it straight away.

I've never known you to say anything with spite/offence/negativity etc and don't see why you would start with that today.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I suggest you go and educate yourself on mental disabilities of all kinds before you make such sweeping statements in the future.

Which statements are you on about?

Since when does a mental disability impact on a person's ability to walk?

I'm not trying to argue with you I was just interested in the statements you referred to. Hence my question.

I'm not in a position to answer your question to me, sorry

That's what the op said, implying that mental disabilities don't affect a person's ability to walk, pretty sweeping statement.

This is why I asked which statement.

I only saw one statement (last paragraph) the rest I saw as questions being asked, hence the question marks.

I could well be wrong on it but it's how I saw it

It was indeed intended as questions to prompt debate. The last paragraph i regret writing and have already apologised for doing so.

I know OP.

A lot are reading your post and skipping to the last to add theirs and missing out the important middle bits.

I miss read it and took offence but when you explained what you mentioned I accepted it straight away.

I've never known you to say anything with spite/offence/negativity etc and don't see why you would start with that today."

Thanks. Sometimes i think the world needs people who're prepared to stick their heads above the parapet and speak the unspeakable. I believe it's the best way to exercise change.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

It's also a good way of educating myself, in that respect this has been successful.

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

"It's also a good way of educating myself, in that respect this has been successful."

It has been a thought provoking thread, I love these debates

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By *ixaWoman
over a year ago

kettering

Apart from a carer struggling with the care of another to get them into the car, with ADHD, Autism and the like I can’t think of another mental health condition that would mean the person would find it as hard to walk as a person with a heart condition, lung conditions, legs that give way, hip dislocations, muscle wastage, Bone cancer etc and the like.... it doesn’t mean that mental health conditions aren’t disabilities, they certainly are but blue badges were only ever designed to give people that have mobility associated disabilities

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

I suggest you go and educate yourself on mental disabilities of all kinds before you make such sweeping statements in the future.

Which statements are you on about?

Since when does a mental disability impact on a person's ability to walk?

I'm not trying to argue with you I was just interested in the statements you referred to. Hence my question.

I'm not in a position to answer your question to me, sorry

That's what the op said, implying that mental disabilities don't affect a person's ability to walk, pretty sweeping statement.

This is why I asked which statement.

I only saw one statement (last paragraph) the rest I saw as questions being asked, hence the question marks.

I could well be wrong on it but it's how I saw it

It was indeed intended as questions to prompt debate. The last paragraph i regret writing and have already apologised for doing so.

I know OP.

A lot are reading your post and skipping to the last to add theirs and missing out the important middle bits.

I miss read it and took offence but when you explained what you mentioned I accepted it straight away.

I've never known you to say anything with spite/offence/negativity etc and don't see why you would start with that today.

Thanks. Sometimes i think the world needs people who're prepared to stick their heads above the parapet and speak the unspeakable. I believe it's the best way to exercise change."

It's brave of you to do it, I wouldn't of been big enough.

As mentioned by others, I have also learned about the subject of mental health. I'm almost totally nieve to it. Even though I got in then out of it myself recently

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

"Apart from a carer struggling with the care of another to get them into the car, with ADHD, Autism and the like I can’t think of another mental health condition that would mean the person would find it as hard to walk as a person with a heart condition, lung conditions, legs that give way, hip dislocations, muscle wastage, Bone cancer etc and the like.... it doesn’t mean that mental health conditions aren’t disabilities, they certainly are but blue badges were only ever designed to give people that have mobility associated disabilities "

This is the problem, all cases are individual and unique, but as I said before, there are not enough resources to assess the applicants face to face, as they do with financial benefit applicants

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over a year ago

"I work with a guy with aspergers, he's going to be getting one so he can park his mx5 in one of the disabled bays at work. I'm not sure how its going to help him. Unless walking 25 metres less each day will make him less of an entitled prick?"

Not a fan of this guy and his mx5.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Such a person would be mentally AND physically disabled. The report that prompted my op mentioned only the mental element.

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

Not a fan of this guy and his mx5.

He will have to apply and should only get it if the authorities consider he should have it. All cases are unique

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's also a good way of educating myself, in that respect this has been successful."

It’s good that people have learned things from this thread. Awareness is a great tool for everyone. X

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

"It's also a good way of educating myself, in that respect this has been successful.

It’s good that people have learned things from this thread. Awareness is a great tool for everyone. X "

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over a year ago

"It's also a good way of educating myself, in that respect this has been successful.

It’s good that people have learned things from this thread. Awareness is a great tool for everyone. X "

Knowledge is power..

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By *ixaWoman
over a year ago

kettering

Such a person would be mentally AND physically disabled. The report that prompted my op mentioned only the mental element."

Yes kind of my point with only just a mental disability I can’t see how they would find it as hard to walk as someone in any of the categories I put above, I think you are right, if we give them out to all when one of the people struggling to walk above comes along there will be no spaces left

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By *ixaWoman
over a year ago

kettering

Such a person would be mentally AND physically disabled. The report that prompted my op mentioned only the mental element."

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

Such a person would be mentally AND physically disabled. The report that prompted my op mentioned only the mental element.

It's a pity they can't do the assessments as with other benefits. My brother had to go for one of these and they reduced his benefit, although he is crippled with arthritis and has a carer, so it shows how strict they are!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I suggest you go and educate yourself on mental disabilities of all kinds before you make such sweeping statements in the future.

Which statements are you on about?

Since when does a mental disability impact on a person's ability to walk?

I'm not trying to argue with you I was just interested in the statements you referred to. Hence my question.

I'm not in a position to answer your question to me, sorry

That's what the op said, implying that mental disabilities don't affect a person's ability to walk, pretty sweeping statement.

This is why I asked which statement.

I only saw one statement (last paragraph) the rest I saw as questions being asked, hence the question marks.

I could well be wrong on it but it's how I saw it

It was indeed intended as questions to prompt debate. The last paragraph i regret writing and have already apologised for doing so.

I know OP.

A lot are reading your post and skipping to the last to add theirs and missing out the important middle bits.

I miss read it and took offence but when you explained what you mentioned I accepted it straight away.

I've never known you to say anything with spite/offence/negativity etc and don't see why you would start with that today.

Thanks. Sometimes i think the world needs people who're prepared to stick their heads above the parapet and speak the unspeakable. I believe it's the best way to exercise change."

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Such a person would be mentally AND physically disabled. The report that prompted my op mentioned only the mental element.

Along the entire length of our high street there are only two designated blue badge spaces, i'd rather these were kept for those that really need them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A man was killed in a car park by someone who punched him because he was enraged at him being in a disabled space with a blue badge when there was no visible sign of a disability...his wife came out of the supermarket to find him dying on the ground...it was her badge because she had mobility issues...

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

Such a person would be mentally AND physically disabled. The report that prompted my op mentioned only the mental element.

Along the entire length of our high street there are only two designated blue badge spaces, i'd rather these were kept for those that really need them."

Same in my local town, not many is it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People with mental disabilities are nutters?

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

I remember that...disgraceful isn't it...people taking the law into their own hands...

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"People with mental disabilities are nutters?"

Please, i've apologised for that one already.

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

"People with mental disabilities are nutters?"

OP has apologised further up the thread

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Such a person would be mentally AND physically disabled. The report that prompted my op mentioned only the mental element.

Along the entire length of our high street there are only two designated blue badge spaces, i'd rather these were kept for those that really need them."

They are, and that will include all disabilities and not just the ones you approve of.

When I go to my local Morrisons the disabled spaces are rarely being used. Probably because disabled people don't synchronise their shopping trips.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People with mental disabilities are nutters?

OP has apologised further up the thread

First impressions and he said what he thought; apology or not.

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

"People with mental disabilities are nutters?

OP has apologised further up the thread

First impressions and he said what he thought; apology or not."

Maybe read the whole thread...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Clearly you've never experienced a hidden disability

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People with mental disabilities are nutters?

OP has apologised further up the thread

First impressions and he said what he thought; apology or not.

Maybe read the whole thread..."

I don't want to read anything more from him thanks.

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

"People with mental disabilities are nutters?

OP has apologised further up the thread

First impressions and he said what he thought; apology or not.

Maybe read the whole thread...

I don't want to read anything more from him thanks. "

You're welcome

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By *hubaysiWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

"OP imagine for a moment if you can.

Can you imagine feeling like that?

Now tell me why if someone is forced to go through all of that should they not be offered the opportunity to at least retreat to their car a little sooner to be able to try and catch their breath?

Thanks for this detailed description but really if someone is experiencing this is it safe for them to just get in a car and drive straight away? There are many challenges out on the roads.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OP imagine for a moment if you can.

Can you imagine feeling like that?

Now tell me why if someone is forced to go through all of that should they not be offered the opportunity to at least retreat to their car a little sooner to be able to try and catch their breath?

Thanks for this detailed description but really if someone is experiencing this is it safe for them to just get in a car and drive straight away? There are many challenges out on the roads. "

Many of these people aren’t the ones doing the driving. Blue badges are for the person with the disability and it’s not always the driver. X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Having children with both ASD and ADHD, I know how unsafe they can be getting in and out of cars ..

That said, I park in parent and child anyway so there's no difference

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People with mental disabilities are nutters?"

Only a nutter would think this .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd rather be the one having to park further than the people who are disabled in any way (and disabled by society to rub salt in the wound). I don't begrudge anyone anything. I'm not losing by people being treated just And fairly. In fact a society should be judged on how it treats it's weakest. If people are going to abuse the system then perhaps we should work on our sense of civic pride and responsibilities as servants of a democracy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Surely if someone has a mental condition they shouldn't be driving in the first place, there's enough nutters on the roads already."

There is so much wrong with this post, I've not read all the replies, just the apology elsewhere.

The whole attitud is repugnant, not just the use of the word nutter.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Surely if someone has a mental condition they shouldn't be driving in the first place, there's enough nutters on the roads already.

I'm quite sad people have the view the op does

Many people with hidden disabilities have as much right as any other to use these spaces. A person with asd or adhd for example might not look disabled but try living with it or someone with it!!!!

We have two sons who have a hidden disability (No we don't have a blue badge but could really benefit from one) one of which is a rare bowel disease..the looks we get for accessing disabled toilets is bad enough and we get made to feel so embarrassed as well as angry when people judge without knowing anything about it.

As the poster above says, many only have them for being over weight and old (I'm in no way judging) but how dare people assume another doesn't deserve that right just because they look "healthy or normal"

Jane x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OP imagine for a moment if you can.

Can you imagine feeling like that?

Now tell me why if someone is forced to go through all of that should they not be offered the opportunity to at least retreat to their car a little sooner to be able to try and catch their breath?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Surely if someone has a mental condition they shouldn't be driving in the first place, there's enough nutters on the roads already.

I'm quite sad people have the view the op does

Many people with hidden disabilities have as much right as any other to use these spaces. A person with asd or adhd for example might not look disabled but try living with it or someone with it!!!!

Jane x"

Usn't judging people as "only having them for being over weight or old" exactly the sort of judgement you are moaning about being on the receiving end of?

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By *andyladMan
over a year ago

Hereorthere

I'm guessing some blocklists were made with this post

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

"I'm guessing some blocklists were made with this post

Why, just because people disagree with each other?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think the disabled badge symbol needs changing .Ive seen a sticker in the back of a vehicle saying not all disabled people use wheelchairs.

I also think prison sentences for those who abuse it would prevent the abuse.

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

blue badges should be issued for those who have problems walking or need the space to use wheelchairs

autistics should be allowed to park all in the same direction or with matching colours

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

"blue badges should be issued for those who have problems walking or need the space to use wheelchairs

autistics should be allowed to park all in the same direction or with matching colours

What does that mean?

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By *andyladMan
over a year ago

Hereorthere

"I'm guessing some blocklists were made with this post

Why, just because people disagree with each other?"

Yes very much so. But on a more serious note. Autism comes in many guises not just the educational needs. Such as awareness of danger is affected seriously in some cases as well as some medical issues. Adhd and hypermobility causing issues with walking as well as lowered awareness of danger and lowered concentration levels. Some requiring the blue badge as unable to walk long distances for the likes of hospital appointments, where in most hospitals require quite the walk to get to appointment. Especially in children where in some cases buggies are required to transport them any sort of distance

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think the disabled badge symbol needs changing .Ive seen a sticker in the back of a vehicle saying not all disabled people use wheelchairs.

I also think prison sentences for those who abuse it would prevent the abuse.

well there is a £1k fine for not disclosing to the dvla a health issue that may affect your driving..I'll assume theres something in place for those who abuse the system.

Either way,

If someone has a badge..they have a badge. It is not MY business why they are entitled to the badge..

if it was to really annoy me that much, or indeed caused an issue..I could probably report the registration to some institutional body.

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

"I'm guessing some blocklists were made with this post

Why, just because people disagree with each other?

I agree with you, as I said earlier, it's a pity these can't be issued after an assessment, then the right people would hopefully get them and those that don't, won't...everyone's level of disability is different

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"blue badges should be issued for those who have problems walking or need the space to use wheelchairs

autistics should be allowed to park all in the same direction or with matching colours

What does that mean?"

He's taking the piss ..Those on the spectrum sometimes like to order things colour coordinated or line them up the same way.

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

"blue badges should be issued for those who have problems walking or need the space to use wheelchairs

autistics should be allowed to park all in the same direction or with matching colours

What does that mean?

He's taking the piss ..Those on the spectrum sometimes like to order things colour coordinated or line them up the same way."

Thank you...I thought maybe that's what it meant....a pisstake then

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"blue badges should be issued for those who have problems walking or need the space to use wheelchairs

autistics should be allowed to park all in the same direction or with matching colours

What does that mean?

He's taking the piss ..Those on the spectrum sometimes like to order things colour coordinated or line them up the same way.

Thank you...I thought maybe that's what it meant....a pisstake then

A very brave attempt to inject a little light heartedness in to the discussion ?

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

"blue badges should be issued for those who have problems walking or need the space to use wheelchairs

autistics should be allowed to park all in the same direction or with matching colours

What does that mean?

He's taking the piss ..Those on the spectrum sometimes like to order things colour coordinated or line them up the same way.

Thank you...I thought maybe that's what it meant....a pisstake then

A very brave attempt to inject a little light heartedness in to the discussion ?

Oh I see

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sigh.

As someone with mental health issues and dyspraxia, there's so much I could say about this post but I won't.

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

"Sigh.

As someone with mental health issues and dyspraxia, there's so much I could say about this post but I won't. "

Know what you mean....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My youngest daughter has no obvious sign of disability but is classed as having a severe disability. Some days she will simply refuse to walk. I would usually have her special buggy but occassionally it will mean carrying a 7 year old around. I don't mind that but I do need room to get her in and out of the car.

She doesn't warrant a blue badge so in those occassions I make do with parent and child parking. Resulting in many arguments with ignorant pr*cks who use those spaces without children.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OP imagine for a moment if you can.

Can you imagine feeling like that?

Now tell me why if someone is forced to go through all of that should they not be offered the opportunity to at least retreat to their car a little sooner to be able to try and catch their breath?

Are you suggesting people who suffer panic attacks should receive blue badges?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I was in a Tesco Express, all ten of the parking spaces were taken, the only one free being designated disabled. Even though i knew i would only be five minutes i still waited until one of the other spaces became available.

I don't park in disabled spaces, ever, i'd rather they were kept free for those who really need them. I don't believe being mentally disabled but physically able should warrant a blue badge.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My youngest daughter has no obvious sign of disability but is classed as having a severe disability. Some days she will simply refuse to walk. I would usually have her special buggy but occassionally it will mean carrying a 7 year old around. I don't mind that but I do need room to get her in and out of the car.

She doesn't warrant a blue badge so in those occassions I make do with parent and child parking. Resulting in many arguments with ignorant pr*cks who use those spaces without children."

Sorry I don’t mean to sound ignorant more generally intrigued. If your daughter is classed as severely disabled as you say then surely it would warrant a blue badge ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OP imagine for a moment if you can.

Can you imagine feeling like that?

Now tell me why if someone is forced to go through all of that should they not be offered the opportunity to at least retreat to their car a little sooner to be able to try and catch their breath?

Are you suggesting people who suffer panic attacks should receive blue badges?"

The poster is not talking about a panic attack but a full on autistic meltdown. Believe me they are very different things and unless you’ve been on the receiving end of one you have no idea of the scale of them. X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I was in a Tesco Express, all ten of the parking spaces were taken, the only one free being designated disabled. Even though i knew i would only be five minutes i still waited until one of the other spaces became available.

I don't park in disabled spaces, ever, i'd rather they were kept free for those who really need them. I don't believe being mentally disabled but physically able should warrant a blue badge."

Maybe there needs to be a complete overall of who is entitled to a blue badge, originally it was meant for those with severe mobility issues.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"OP imagine for a moment if you can.

Can you imagine feeling like that?

Now tell me why if someone is forced to go through all of that should they not be offered the opportunity to at least retreat to their car a little sooner to be able to try and catch their breath?

Are you suggesting people who suffer panic attacks should receive blue badges?

I was actually referring to mental disability/illness in general, my use of autism was just an example quoted from the original report. I appreciate this does not excuse my use of the word nutter.

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

I don't park in disabled spaces, ever, i'd rather they were kept free for those who really need them. I don't believe being mentally disabled but physically able should warrant a blue badge.

Maybe there needs to be a complete overall of who is entitled to a blue badge, originally it was meant for those with severe mobility issues."

I think you're right, applicants should be assessed in the same way as any other benefit application

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" I don't believe being mentally disabled but physically able should warrant a blue badge."

Which is why it’s not your decision, given your lack of knowledge on the subject.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

She doesn't warrant a blue badge so in those occassions I make do with parent and child parking. Resulting in many arguments with ignorant pr*cks who use those spaces without children.

Sorry I don’t mean to sound ignorant more generally intrigued. If your daughter is classed as severely disabled as you say then surely it would warrant a blue badge ?"

Because, current legislation takes into consideration whether you can use your arms and legs, and have difficulty in walking.

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By *hoenixAdAstraWoman
over a year ago

Hiding in the shadows

So much I could write on this thread, in response to several posts.

But I'd probably get a forum ban.

So i'll just say some people obviously have no idea what dealing with an autistic child is truly like.

I'd guess you're probably the ones that tutt & mutter at stressed mothers 'spoilt brats needing discipline' and 'no child of mine would act like that in public'

Think yourselves lucky they don't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

She doesn't warrant a blue badge so in those occassions I make do with parent and child parking. Resulting in many arguments with ignorant pr*cks who use those spaces without children.

Sorry I don’t mean to sound ignorant more generally intrigued. If your daughter is classed as severely disabled as you say then surely it would warrant a blue badge ?"

Her disability isn't physical so she doesn't warrant a badge. She has too many things to list but occassionally she will refuse to walk as she can suffer knee pain due to developmental issue. If she had a blue badge it would be rarely used so I wouldn't apply anyway as we get by. But other children more severely affected would warrant one.

I understand what the OP is sayimg though, as many people abuse the system.

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So much I could write on this thread, in response to several posts.

But I'd probably get a forum ban.

So i'll just say some people obviously have no idea what dealing with an autistic child is truly like.

I'd guess you're probably the ones that tutt & mutter at stressed mothers 'spoilt brats needing discipline' and 'no child of mine would act like that in public'

Think yourselves lucky they don't.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

" I don't believe being mentally disabled but physically able should warrant a blue badge.

Which is why it’s not your decision, given your lack of knowledge on the subject. "

It would appear that can only be a good thing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" I don't believe being mentally disabled but physically able should warrant a blue badge.

Which is why it’s not your decision, given your lack of knowledge on the subject.

It would appear that can only be a good thing."

True story.

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

I'd just like to say it's been an interesting and informative thread and highlights what problems people have to deal with, with these health issues

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I worked with a lady with learning difficulties who had a blue badge.

She has no physical disabilities but she also has no safety awareness so car parks or crossing roads was risky.

She was impatient and her mood and behaviour could be affected by having to walk or wait. This could result in "tantrums" which would affect her dignity, social standing and cause distress to those who witnessed it.

Yes addressing a physical need is important but people have so many more needs than just that.

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By *ojos party boyMan
over a year ago

Merseyside

Surely if someone has a mental condition they shouldn't be driving in the first place, there's enough nutters on the roads already.

This made me think of when i worked in the bookies and was told my by manager she got a new Qashqai or some similar jeep thingy, every few months from the mobility that was meant for her overweight dad, even though he owned a lovely BMW.

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