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"Happy. " That’s not the answer radical feminists like to here. | |||
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"Happy. That’s not the answer radical feminists like to here." I'm probably not their target audience.  | |||
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"I think their driving licences should be revoked with immediate effect! #womencantreverse" Prove it!  | |||
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"I think their driving licences should be revoked with immediate effect! #womencantreverse Prove it! "Check my other thread | |||
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"I think their driving licences should be revoked with immediate effect! #womencantreverse" I have had men reverse into my car, but don't make generalised sweeping statements that 'all men' cannot reverse  | |||
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"By society as a whole? Yes. There could be a tweak or 2 but I'm pretty satisfied." Are these tweaks why feminists are still so angry ? | |||
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" Are these tweaks why feminists are still so angry ? " They are angry that their half baked ideology is barely surviving on the fumes of diminishing returns and they know it. They need to invent more boogeymen. | |||
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"I think their driving licences should be revoked with immediate effect! #womencantreverse Prove it!
Check my other thread "That’s not proof, it’s a one sided male version of a story | |||
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"Or are you happy with how society treats you now ?" Check out the quote from your other thread (it wasn't you, OP): "Women can't drive.... Fact". Juuuuust a little bit sexist. | |||
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"By society as a whole? Yes. There could be a tweak or 2 but I'm pretty satisfied. Are these tweaks why feminists are still so angry ? " I think feminists just like being angry and opinionated. Give them everything they ask for then they would just find something else to be pissy about. | |||
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"Or are you happy with how society treats you now ? Check out the quote from your other thread (it wasn't you, OP): "Women can't drive.... Fact". Juuuuust a little bit sexist." Is that being oppressed ? | |||
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"Glad you're all happy with the equal pay we get... oh wait... I don't feel oppressed on a daily basis, no. But am i tired of bullshit generalisations that I must be *things*, yes. And that includes the people already making sweeping statements about feminists And I know you're always posting random shit like this. But dangle enough bait and someone will always bite." . On average women get paid less but on average they also work less!. We've even introduced a law making it illegal to discriminate based on gender. The bad old days were over donkeys ago and everybody's moved on except feminists | |||
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"Glad you're all happy with the equal pay we get... oh wait... I don't feel oppressed on a daily basis, no. But am i tired of bullshit generalisations that I must be *things*, yes. And that includes the people already making sweeping statements about feminists And I know you're always posting random shit like this. But dangle enough bait and someone will always bite." You get equal pay for the same job, that’s a legal requirement. | |||
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" Are these tweaks why feminists are still so angry ? They are angry that their half baked ideology is barely surviving on the fumes of diminishing returns and they know it. They need to invent more boogeymen. " | |||
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"Or are you happy with how society treats you now ? Check out the quote from your other thread (it wasn't you, OP): "Women can't drive.... Fact". Juuuuust a little bit sexist." Women kill less people than men, in fatal car accidents. | |||
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"Or are you happy with how society treats you now ? Check out the quote from your other thread (it wasn't you, OP): "Women can't drive.... Fact". Juuuuust a little bit sexist. Women kill less people than men, in fatal car accidents. " That’s true! | |||
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"Or are you happy with how society treats you now ? Check out the quote from your other thread (it wasn't you, OP): "Women can't drive.... Fact". Juuuuust a little bit sexist. Women kill less people than men, in fatal car accidents. " Women kill less people than men, in general. | |||
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"Depends on who I'm interacting with. " 100% agreed. | |||
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"I think their driving licences should be revoked with immediate effect! #womencantreverse Prove it!
Check my other thread "I got shot down in pieces commenting a while ago that some women find reversing a challenge. 
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"Glad you're all happy with the equal pay we get... oh wait... I don't feel oppressed on a daily basis, no. But am i tired of bullshit generalisations that I must be *things*, yes. And that includes the people already making sweeping statements about feminists And I know you're always posting random shit like this. But dangle enough bait and someone will always bite.. On average women get paid less but on average they also work less!. We've even introduced a law making it illegal to discriminate based on gender. The bad old days were over donkeys ago and everybody's moved on except feminists" What’s your definition of a feminist? | |||
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"I think their driving licences should be revoked with immediate effect! #womencantreverse Prove it!
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I got shot down in pieces commenting a while ago that some women find reversing a challenge.
I will have a look."I think you will find that you are correct! Just wear your hard hat before you say anything | |||
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"Or are you happy with how society treats you now ? Check out the quote from your other thread (it wasn't you, OP): "Women can't drive.... Fact". Juuuuust a little bit sexist." You get that from both sexes though "Women can't drive" "Men are useless around the house" etc etc things like that will never change | |||
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"Or are you happy with how society treats you now ? Check out the quote from your other thread (it wasn't you, OP): "Women can't drive.... Fact". Juuuuust a little bit sexist. You get that from both sexes though "Women can't drive" "Men are useless around the house" etc etc things like that will never change"
I really can't be arsed getting pissed off about things that will never change. | |||
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"All fine and dandy here OP. " Glad to hear it. | |||
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" Are these tweaks why feminists are still so angry ? They are angry that their half baked ideology is barely surviving on the fumes of diminishing returns and they know it. They need to invent more boogeymen. " I was sighing at the idiotic , unsubstantiated content and then got a huge smile out 'boogymen'....... Still smiling .... All them fems getting down with the boogiers. | |||
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"Glad you're all happy with the equal pay we get... oh wait... I don't feel oppressed on a daily basis, no. But am i tired of bullshit generalisations that I must be *things*, yes. And that includes the people already making sweeping statements about feminists And I know you're always posting random shit like this. But dangle enough bait and someone will always bite.. On average women get paid less but on average they also work less!. We've even introduced a law making it illegal to discriminate based on gender. The bad old days were over donkeys ago and everybody's moved on except feminists What’s your definition of a feminist?" I've asked that so many times in the past. Seldom get an answer and never an informed intelligent one. | |||
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"Glad you're all happy with the equal pay we get... oh wait... I don't feel oppressed on a daily basis, no. But am i tired of bullshit generalisations that I must be *things*, yes. And that includes the people already making sweeping statements about feminists And I know you're always posting random shit like this. But dangle enough bait and someone will always bite.. On average women get paid less but on average they also work less!. We've even introduced a law making it illegal to discriminate based on gender. The bad old days were over donkeys ago and everybody's moved on except feminists What’s your definition of a feminist? I've asked that so many times in the past. Seldom get an answer and never an informed intelligent one." Feminism is equality of outcome rather than equality of opportunity I think. | |||
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"Glad you're all happy with the equal pay we get... oh wait... I don't feel oppressed on a daily basis, no. But am i tired of bullshit generalisations that I must be *things*, yes. And that includes the people already making sweeping statements about feminists And I know you're always posting random shit like this. But dangle enough bait and someone will always bite.. On average women get paid less but on average they also work less!. We've even introduced a law making it illegal to discriminate based on gender. The bad old days were over donkeys ago and everybody's moved on except feminists What’s your definition of a feminist?" . The ones still banging on about how unjust society is without actually realising they live in practically the fairest one in the world. If they really cared about women they should go to Afghanistan and lecture to men there. | |||
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"Glad you're all happy with the equal pay we get... oh wait... I don't feel oppressed on a daily basis, no. But am i tired of bullshit generalisations that I must be *things*, yes. And that includes the people already making sweeping statements about feminists And I know you're always posting random shit like this. But dangle enough bait and someone will always bite.. On average women get paid less but on average they also work less!. We've even introduced a law making it illegal to discriminate based on gender. The bad old days were over donkeys ago and everybody's moved on except feminists What’s your definition of a feminist?. The ones still banging on about how unjust society is without actually realising they live in practically the fairest one in the world. If they really cared about women they should go to Afghanistan and lecture to men there." Yeah, that’s gonna end well. | |||
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"Glad you're all happy with the equal pay we get... oh wait... I don't feel oppressed on a daily basis, no. But am i tired of bullshit generalisations that I must be *things*, yes. And that includes the people already making sweeping statements about feminists And I know you're always posting random shit like this. But dangle enough bait and someone will always bite.. On average women get paid less but on average they also work less!. We've even introduced a law making it illegal to discriminate based on gender. The bad old days were over donkeys ago and everybody's moved on except feminists What’s your definition of a feminist?. The ones still banging on about how unjust society is without actually realising they live in practically the fairest one in the world. If they really cared about women they should go to Afghanistan and lecture to men there. Yeah, that’s gonna end well." . Well there are genuine cases of terrible inequality in the second and third world, far more pressing than the trivial stuff in the first world. Surely it makes more sense to start with your pressing problems and work your way down to the outrageous problem of wether vat should apply to tampons | |||
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"Glad you're all happy with the equal pay we get... oh wait... I don't feel oppressed on a daily basis, no. But am i tired of bullshit generalisations that I must be *things*, yes. And that includes the people already making sweeping statements about feminists And I know you're always posting random shit like this. But dangle enough bait and someone will always bite.. On average women get paid less but on average they also work less!. We've even introduced a law making it illegal to discriminate based on gender. The bad old days were over donkeys ago and everybody's moved on except feminists What’s your definition of a feminist?. The ones still banging on about how unjust society is without actually realising they live in practically the fairest one in the world. If they really cared about women they should go to Afghanistan and lecture to men there. Yeah, that’s gonna end well.. Well there are genuine cases of terrible inequality in the second and third world, far more pressing than the trivial stuff in the first world. Surely it makes more sense to start with your pressing problems and work your way down to the outrageous problem of wether vat should apply to tampons" That’s very true, but I don’t see any feminists queuing up to go out there and telling them they are oppressing women. | |||
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"Glad you're all happy with the equal pay we get... oh wait... I don't feel oppressed on a daily basis, no. But am i tired of bullshit generalisations that I must be *things*, yes. And that includes the people already making sweeping statements about feminists And I know you're always posting random shit like this. But dangle enough bait and someone will always bite.. On average women get paid less but on average they also work less!. We've even introduced a law making it illegal to discriminate based on gender. The bad old days were over donkeys ago and everybody's moved on except feminists What’s your definition of a feminist?. The ones still banging on about how unjust society is without actually realising they live in practically the fairest one in the world. If they really cared about women they should go to Afghanistan and lecture to men there. Yeah, that’s gonna end well.. Well there are genuine cases of terrible inequality in the second and third world, far more pressing than the trivial stuff in the first world. Surely it makes more sense to start with your pressing problems and work your way down to the outrageous problem of wether vat should apply to tampons" But then you would never get to the issue of VAT on tampons. I think we might just be able to work towards solving more than one issue ... if we tried hard | |||
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"Or are you happy with how society treats you now ?" Very very happy. I get paid the same hourly rate as my co-workers, I get maternity pay, sick pay, I get free health care, I get to choose who I fuck, who I spend time with and who I want to marry, I get to wear what I want (outside of work but we all wear uniform) I have a lovely home. We are extremely lucky to live and raised in a western civilisation. Life is very good here. Imaging living in saudi/iran or many others, although the Saudis have been kind enough to allow women to drive (as long as they have a minder) We are very very lucky, what's there not to like xxxxx | |||
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"Or are you happy with how society treats you now ? Very very happy. I get paid the same hourly rate as my co-workers, I get maternity pay, sick pay, I get free health care, I get to choose who I fuck, who I spend time with and who I want to marry, I get to wear what I want (outside of work but we all wear uniform) I have a lovely home. We are extremely lucky to live and raised in a western civilisation. Life is very good here. Imaging living in saudi/iran or many others, although the Saudis have been kind enough to allow women to drive (as long as they have a minder) We are very very lucky, what's there not to like xxxxx " You nailed it on the head | |||
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"Or are you happy with how society treats you now ? Very very happy. I get paid the same hourly rate as my co-workers, I get maternity pay, sick pay, I get free health care, I get to choose who I fuck, who I spend time with and who I want to marry, I get to wear what I want (outside of work but we all wear uniform) I have a lovely home. We are extremely lucky to live and raised in a western civilisation. Life is very good here. Imaging living in saudi/iran or many others, although the Saudis have been kind enough to allow women to drive (as long as they have a minder) We are very very lucky, what's there not to like xxxxx " Wait for the feminists to arrive and tell you that you are wrong | |||
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"Or are you happy with how society treats you now ? Check out the quote from your other thread (it wasn't you, OP): "Women can't drive.... Fact". Juuuuust a little bit sexist. Women kill less people than men, in fatal car accidents. Women kill less people than men, in general." Is that through laziness or expecting men to do it for them? | |||
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"Or are you happy with how society treats you now ? Check out the quote from your other thread (it wasn't you, OP): "Women can't drive.... Fact". Juuuuust a little bit sexist. Women kill less people than men, in fatal car accidents. Women kill less people than men, in general. Is that through laziness or expecting men to do it for them? "Ladies, if you tell me, I’ll type it for you | |||
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"Or are you happy with how society treats you now ? Very very happy. I get paid the same hourly rate as my co-workers, I get maternity pay, sick pay, I get free health care, I get to choose who I fuck, who I spend time with and who I want to marry, I get to wear what I want (outside of work but we all wear uniform) I have a lovely home. We are extremely lucky to live and raised in a western civilisation. Life is very good here. Imaging living in saudi/iran or many others, although the Saudis have been kind enough to allow women to drive (as long as they have a minder) We are very very lucky, what's there not to like xxxxx Wait for the feminists to arrive and tell you that you are wrong " Now you see ........... feminists believe in choice. So they are not going to tell anyone they are wrong for being content with what they have or experience. | |||
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"Paid less Sexually assaulted more Represented less in high levels of government and industry More likely to be a victim of domestic abuse Historical achievements less celebrated. Less represented as heroes in mainstream movies. Thank goodness for feminism. Long may it continue. " . You forgot work less  | |||
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"Oppressed my Ass..... Women have corporate America by the balls.... If you look at a woman the wrong way or fart in her direction..... HR will go out of their way to make sure she is happy.... The LGBTQ community is a close second..... We had a big meeting last week because someone used the term “ The boy with his finger in the dyke “ to explain a company’s balance sheet.... " Do you mean the women being the sexual harassment claims “have corporate America by the balls”? I think it was the exact opposite. | |||
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"Oppressed my Ass..... Women have corporate America by the balls.... If you look at a woman the wrong way or fart in her direction..... HR will go out of their way to make sure she is happy.... The LGBTQ community is a close second..... We had a big meeting last week because someone used the term “ The boy with his finger in the dyke “ to explain a company’s balance sheet.... Do you mean the women being the sexual harassment claims “have corporate America by the balls”? I think it was the exact opposite. " I can only speak about my company..... but any female that goes to HR with any complaint will be taken very seriously..... We call our HR department the PC Nazi’s. Women have all the power.... | |||
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"Oppressed my Ass..... Women have corporate America by the balls.... If you look at a woman the wrong way or fart in her direction..... HR will go out of their way to make sure she is happy.... The LGBTQ community is a close second..... We had a big meeting last week because someone used the term “ The boy with his finger in the dyke “ to explain a company’s balance sheet.... Do you mean the women being the sexual harassment claims “have corporate America by the balls”? I think it was the exact opposite. I can only speak about my company..... but any female that goes to HR with any complaint will be taken very seriously..... We call our HR department the PC Nazi’s. Women have all the power...." They should take all complaints very seriously. The fact you’re being disparaging about women’s complaints as a whole gives me a clue as to why it’s necessary. Even if your company had the balance wrong, it wouldn’t undermine all claims of sexism and discrimination throughout corporate America. | |||
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"And less likely to die in industrial accidents. More likely to be awarded children in a divorce. Retire earlier. Less likely to be murdered. Work less. Anomalies crop up from the differences between being male and being female. Not everything is a giant conspiracy like women getting into swinging clubs for free "Less likely to be employed in industry where deaths occur. Children usually remain with the main carer, who often is the woman as men don't want to stay at home looking after the kids. More likely to be murdered by a partner. Work less - see above for child care. | |||
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"Still think many men (not all) see feminism as a joke and really don’t realise what prejudices women have to put up with or accept (for an easy life) " Yup. | |||
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"Paid less Sexually assaulted more Represented less in high levels of government and industry More likely to be a victim of domestic abuse Historical achievements less celebrated. Less represented as heroes in mainstream movies. Thank goodness for feminism. Long may it continue. . You forgot work less "That's probably because women do the majority of child rearing (which is why they tend to get custody more) and housework; it's just that people don't see this as real work. Feminism advocates for getting rid of gender roles like these, so you're with them on that one. | |||
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"*waves* feminist here! I’m a feminist that believes in equality. I’m not a man hating feminist there’s only a minority that are man haters against trans women etc unfortunately they’re the ones that give us a bad name " Agree. I think the bad ones ruin it for the good ones. I think they need a new term for the good ones. The term 'feminist' just conjures up some angry militant man hating lesbian.  | |||
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"And less likely to die in industrial accidents. More likely to be awarded children in a divorce. Retire earlier. Less likely to be murdered. Work less. Anomalies crop up from the differences between being male and being female. Not everything is a giant conspiracy like women getting into swinging clubs for free
Less likely to be employed in industry where deaths occur.
Children usually remain with the main carer, who often is the woman as men don't want to stay at home looking after the kids.
More likely to be murdered by a partner.
Work less - see above for child care.". Men don't want to stay home watching TV and looking after there offspring hey!!. Bit sexist aren't you? | |||
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"*waves* feminist here! I’m a feminist that believes in equality. I’m not a man hating feminist there’s only a minority that are man haters against trans women etc unfortunately they’re the ones that give us a bad name Agree. I think the bad ones ruin it for the good ones. I think they need a new term for the good ones. The term 'feminist' just conjures up some angry militant man hating lesbian. "Are you including “lesbian” in that list of pejorative terms? As if being a lesbian is a bad thing? Surely not. | |||
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"Paid less Sexually assaulted more Represented less in high levels of government and industry More likely to be a victim of domestic abuse Historical achievements less celebrated. Less represented as heroes in mainstream movies. Thank goodness for feminism. Long may it continue. . You forgot work less
That's probably because women do the majority of child rearing (which is why they tend to get custody more) and housework; it's just that people don't see this as real work.
Feminism advocates for getting rid of gender roles like these, so you're with them on that one. ". Have you ever considered the possibility that maybe most women LIKE staying home and raising they're offspring?. | |||
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"And less likely to die in industrial accidents. More likely to be awarded children in a divorce. Retire earlier. Less likely to be murdered. Work less. Anomalies crop up from the differences between being male and being female. Not everything is a giant conspiracy like women getting into swinging clubs for free
Less likely to be employed in industry where deaths occur.
Children usually remain with the main carer, who often is the woman as men don't want to stay at home looking after the kids.
More likely to be murdered by a partner.
Work less - see above for child care..
Men don't want to stay home watching TV and looking after there offspring hey!!.
Bit sexist aren't you?"Your comment shows who is the sexist one. | |||
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That's probably because women do the majority of child rearing (which is why they tend to get custody more) and housework; it's just that people don't see this as real work.
Feminism advocates for getting rid of gender roles like these, so you're with them on that one. .
Have you ever considered the possibility that maybe most women LIKE staying home and raising they're offspring?."They're offspring? The offspring that took two to make? | |||
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"Paid less Sexually assaulted more Represented less in high levels of government and industry More likely to be a victim of domestic abuse Historical achievements less celebrated. Less represented as heroes in mainstream movies. Thank goodness for feminism. Long may it continue. . You forgot work less
That's probably because women do the majority of child rearing (which is why they tend to get custody more) and housework; it's just that people don't see this as real work.
Feminism advocates for getting rid of gender roles like these, so you're with them on that one. .
Have you ever considered the possibility that maybe most women LIKE staying home and raising they're offspring?."Of course. But what does that have to do with your criticism of women for not doing as much work? | |||
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"*waves* feminist here! I’m a feminist that believes in equality. I’m not a man hating feminist there’s only a minority that are man haters against trans women etc unfortunately they’re the ones that give us a bad name Agree. I think the bad ones ruin it for the good ones. I think they need a new term for the good ones. The term 'feminist' just conjures up some angry militant man hating lesbian.
Are you including “lesbian” in that list of pejorative terms? As if being a lesbian is a bad thing? Surely not. "Are you suggesting that being angry is a bad thing? | |||
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"Paid less Sexually assaulted more Represented less in high levels of government and industry More likely to be a victim of domestic abuse Historical achievements less celebrated. Less represented as heroes in mainstream movies. Thank goodness for feminism. Long may it continue. . You forgot work less
That's probably because women do the majority of child rearing (which is why they tend to get custody more) and housework; it's just that people don't see this as real work.
Feminism advocates for getting rid of gender roles like these, so you're with them on that one. .
Have you ever considered the possibility that maybe most women LIKE staying home and raising they're offspring?.
Of course. But what does that have to do with your criticism of women for not doing as much work? ". Well if you looked it wasn't a critique of women. I pointed out that differences occur because men and women are different!. It's the easiest explanation for the differences without involving conspiracy theories of bogeymen (yep bogeymen not bogeywomen) | |||
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"*waves* feminist here! I’m a feminist that believes in equality. I’m not a man hating feminist there’s only a minority that are man haters against trans women etc unfortunately they’re the ones that give us a bad name Agree. I think the bad ones ruin it for the good ones. I think they need a new term for the good ones. The term 'feminist' just conjures up some angry militant man hating lesbian.
Are you including “lesbian” in that list of pejorative terms? As if being a lesbian is a bad thing? Surely not.
Are you suggesting that being angry is a bad thing?"It’s your list. You even put a little sad face at the end, to show how sad it is that the word “feminist” contours up such images. Bit of homophobia crept in though didn’t it? | |||
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"*waves* feminist here! I’m a feminist that believes in equality. I’m not a man hating feminist there’s only a minority that are man haters against trans women etc unfortunately they’re the ones that give us a bad name Agree. I think the bad ones ruin it for the good ones. I think they need a new term for the good ones. The term 'feminist' just conjures up some angry militant man hating lesbian. "Womanist? Dictionary definition:- "believing in and respecting the abilities and talents of women; acknowledging women's contributions to society." | |||
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"Paid less Sexually assaulted more Represented less in high levels of government and industry More likely to be a victim of domestic abuse Historical achievements less celebrated. Less represented as heroes in mainstream movies. Thank goodness for feminism. Long may it continue. . You forgot work less
That's probably because women do the majority of child rearing (which is why they tend to get custody more) and housework; it's just that people don't see this as real work.
Feminism advocates for getting rid of gender roles like these, so you're with them on that one. .
Have you ever considered the possibility that maybe most women LIKE staying home and raising they're offspring?.
Of course. But what does that have to do with your criticism of women for not doing as much work? .
Well if you looked it wasn't a critique of women.
I pointed out that differences occur because men and women are different!.
It's the easiest explanation for the differences without involving conspiracy theories of bogeymen (yep bogeymen not bogeywomen)"It was on a list of ways you think men are disadvantaged, and that only follows if you think housework and child rearing isn't work. It's not a conspiracy theory to note the very obvious existence of gender roles. And those gender roles have changed a lot over the last century, so they obviously aren't entirely innate or set in stone. It doesn't seem very likely to me that we have now reached a point where, for example, there are no men who would like to be house husbands but don't do it because they are afraid of how it will make them look to other people. | |||
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"I’m a feminist. " Me too. I’m not man hating, I do get uninformed fatigue / disappointment though. I don’t *not* advocate for the full range of inequality throughout the world either (as is typically the assumption made about UK living feminists) even though I’m fortunate to be in a better situation here in the UK. Tackling *all* aspects of oppression as they crop up is important. For each person who moans that effort put in on challenging an issue in the UK versus elsewhere in the world, how’s about *you* join in and advocate too, if you’re not already? No, we don’t need a new word for feminism. We do need to challenge TERF and SWERFs in my opinion though. We need to keep educating why feminism is positive for everyone, and as Granny says is also about choice. We need to challenge those that dismiss the difficulties other face through apathy, their own contentment meaning they state there’s no issue for others and through humour. These things are undermining actual change for others by not allowing a spotlight on the fact there is still oppression to a greater and lesser degree. Apologies I’m late to the thread. I was actually working on a domestic violence project for Syrian women. | |||
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"I’m a feminist. Me too. I’m not man hating, I do get uninformed fatigue / disappointment though. I don’t *not* advocate for the full range of inequality throughout the world either (as is typically the assumption made about UK living feminists) even though I’m fortunate to be in a better situation here in the UK. Tackling *all* aspects of oppression as they crop up is important. For each person who moans that effort put in on challenging an issue in the UK versus elsewhere in the world, how’s about *you* join in and advocate too, if you’re not already? No, we don’t need a new word for feminism. We do need to challenge TERF and SWERFs in my opinion though. We need to keep educating why feminism is positive for everyone, and as Granny says is also about choice. We need to challenge those that dismiss the difficulties other face through apathy, their own contentment meaning they state there’s no issue for others and through humour. These things are undermining actual change for others by not allowing a spotlight on the fact there is still oppression to a greater and lesser degree. Apologies I’m late to the thread. I was actually working on a domestic violence project for Syrian women." Yaaaaaay!!! *standing and applauding* | |||
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"I’m a feminist. Me too. I’m not man hating, I do get uninformed fatigue / disappointment though. I don’t *not* advocate for the full range of inequality throughout the world either (as is typically the assumption made about UK living feminists) even though I’m fortunate to be in a better situation here in the UK. Tackling *all* aspects of oppression as they crop up is important. For each person who moans that effort put in on challenging an issue in the UK versus elsewhere in the world, how’s about *you* join in and advocate too, if you’re not already? No, we don’t need a new word for feminism. We do need to challenge TERF and SWERFs in my opinion though. We need to keep educating why feminism is positive for everyone, and as Granny says is also about choice. We need to challenge those that dismiss the difficulties other face through apathy, their own contentment meaning they state there’s no issue for others and through humour. These things are undermining actual change for others by not allowing a spotlight on the fact there is still oppression to a greater and lesser degree. Apologies I’m late to the thread. I was actually working on a domestic violence project for Syrian women." Good for you Syria's a dangerous place for everyone, especially the women and children. | |||
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"And less likely to die in industrial accidents. More likely to be awarded children in a divorce. Retire earlier. Less likely to be murdered. Work less. Anomalies crop up from the differences between being male and being female. Not everything is a giant conspiracy like women getting into swinging clubs for free "Where do you get your stats from ? Retirement age is the same for men and women in the uk and has been since the reforms a few years ago. Work less ? What planet is that on ? | |||
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"And less likely to die in industrial accidents. More likely to be awarded children in a divorce. Retire earlier. Less likely to be murdered. Work less. Anomalies crop up from the differences between being male and being female. Not everything is a giant conspiracy like women getting into swinging clubs for free
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Retirement age is the same for men and women in the uk and has been since the reforms a few years ago.
Work less ? What planet is that on ?". It's what happens when you do simple things like averages to get women being paid less. On average women work less hours than men. There's lots and lots of statistics on pay, if you look at single women between 25 and 35 compared to single men in the same age group, women are actually earning more. Of course there's a narrative they need to push so they blanket average all women to all men and then say haha,a pay gap!. Well yes, that's because lots of women take time out for child rearing and then go part time for a good few years àfterwards. How they define "work" is what you get paid for so mowing grass and doing washing at home doesn't count unfortunately. | |||
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"I just can't understand why a lot of blokes feel so threatened by feminism.. I think you've misunderstood being annoyed by something and being threatened by it." And I think you’ve quite clearly misunderstood what the actual issue of the pay gap is. You’re doing that simplistic analogy that people do when they compare a country’s economy with a household economy. | |||
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"Glad you're all happy with the equal pay we get... oh wait... I don't feel oppressed on a daily basis, no. But am i tired of bullshit generalisations that I must be *things*, yes. And that includes the people already making sweeping statements about feminists And I know you're always posting random shit like this. But dangle enough bait and someone will always bite." Gender pay gap represents something which reflects on previous generations, a lot of statistics used are inflammatory. Women will catch up, it just needs to be phased. As it is being. Let’s remember that the pay gap is only really influenced by the upper echelons of society and therefore not a true reflection of society as a whole. Bit by bit, everything will be equal. As it should be. But when we still have previous generations adding flaws to statistics it’s difficult to get a true reflection. We’ll get there. But it can’t be done over night. | |||
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"I think their driving licences should be revoked with immediate effect! #womencantreverse" Yeah but what do you expect when men keep telling you that this is six inches?
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"I'm difgiing the way individual women are speaking on behalf of all women -far out man "I speak as a woman. I’ve never said I speak for all women. | |||
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"Feminism can be perceived as numerous different things. It can be perceived as egalitarianism, equally it can be perceived as oppression. In this context, it’s egalitarianism. Taking things out of context causes drama." I will hate myself for asking ..... but ..... How can feminism be perceived as oppression ? | |||
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"I just can't understand why a lot of blokes feel so threatened by feminism. Because like facts and truth. Facts and truth are to feminism what garlic and silver are to vampires." Vampires don’t exist. And you’re generalising to fit your own narrative. You were telling me about your newly appreciated comprehension of the gender pay gap after Courtney from Marc.Courtney had provided you with facts and truth... | |||
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"I just asked my wife this question . Her answer was that she’s very happy with the way she’s treated in every way . I asked her what she thought about feminism and she wasn’t impressed at all . Her actual words were ‘ I haven’t got time for all that nonsense , I’m getting ready to go out ! ‘ . And that’s why I love her so much
Which is lovely! And you two have a wonderful relationship. It’s perfectly grand to not want to fight for other people’s opportunity for the sake of you don’t want that, feminists don’t deny you that option. As a feminist, I find it disheartening that people can’t see that dismissing or even actively negating or attacking it, however, can really damage the ability of those that are trying to help others get the opportunity to feel as laissez faire about it as your wife though. (Not saying you’re actively doing that, but the cacophony of voices together on threads like this *do* influence others’ knowledge of many other peoples misfortune, which is a real shame.)"In all fairness, my wife would say much the same. But thats not the point. For me, I don't want my daughter growing up in a world where she has to fight harder than a boy/man to get what she wants. I don't want her being told she cant do a subject at school, job or a sport because she's a girl. I don't want her to worry that when she goes out she might get sexually assaulted. I want her to be paid fairly for the job she does. I want her husband or partner to shoulder the fair share of household duties and child rearing. I want her voice to be heard because she's bright and has something to say, not just because she's pretty. And I'm thankful there are spirited women out there fighting for her. | |||
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"I just asked my wife this question . Her answer was that she’s very happy with the way she’s treated in every way . I asked her what she thought about feminism and she wasn’t impressed at all . Her actual words were ‘ I haven’t got time for all that nonsense , I’m getting ready to go out ! ‘ . And that’s why I love her so much
Which is lovely! And you two have a wonderful relationship. It’s perfectly grand to not want to fight for other people’s opportunity for the sake of you don’t want that, feminists don’t deny you that option. As a feminist, I find it disheartening that people can’t see that dismissing or even actively negating or attacking it, however, can really damage the ability of those that are trying to help others get the opportunity to feel as laissez faire about it as your wife though. (Not saying you’re actively doing that, but the cacophony of voices together on threads like this *do* influence others’ knowledge of many other peoples misfortune, which is a real shame.)
In all fairness, my wife would say much the same. But thats not the point. For me, I don't want my daughter growing up in a world where she has to fight harder than a boy/man to get what she wants.
I don't want her being told she cant do a subject at school, job or a sport because she's a girl.
I don't want her to worry that when she goes out she might get sexually assaulted.
I want her to be paid fairly for the job she does.
I want her husband or partner to shoulder the fair share of household duties and child rearing.
I want her voice to be heard because she's bright and has something to say, not just because she's pretty.
And I'm thankful there are spirited women out there fighting for her."Absolutely. I’m certainly not demanding people *have* to bother with a cause or not. Just reminding that actually it can be the “loud” apathy that slows down progress for those that are trying to, and again whilst no one has to do anything for anyone else ever, demonising those that do incorrectly is all a bit “serious? can you *be* any more self...I’ll say “self focused””
But it’s lovely, truly (no sarcasm) that so many people don’t feel that any aspect of the inequality there has been (and still is in some regards) affects them directly. Kinda just goes to show how far we’ve come already and thanks to those people who helped address the balance historically. If only there was a name for them collectively. | |||
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We were talking about the income inequality and accumulation of wealth in rent seeking uses being a drain on the productive sector of the economy. Absolutely nothing to do with gender. "Ahh okay. I’ll check back in my messages, though. I’m really positive that’s not what you said, but thanks for clarifying now. | |||
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"I just can't understand why a lot of blokes feel so threatened by feminism. Because like facts and truth. Facts and truth are to feminism what garlic and silver are to vampires. That’s an incredibly naive and sweeping statement 2 women in the UK a week are killed by a current or former (male) partner! 1 in four women will experience sexual violence at some point in their lifetime while those figures exist I and many other feminist researchers will continue to fight for equality " Absolute bollucks. It's really patethic and intellectually dishonest when feminists invent emotive terms like "sexual violence" to try and pretend there's some crime epidemic that there isn't. 1 in 4 my ass. Why not go live in Sudan then, it's safer based on what you say? What you really mean is that 1 in 4 women will be traumatically wolf whistled at in their life. For you to conflate that with victims of disgusting crimes like R@ is as low as it gets. | |||
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"I totally get why feminists fight for the cause . I have a daughter who benefits from the work that’s been done to get to where we are now , which is a bloody sight better than it was when I was growing up . " I probably won't see my daughter reach 20. I just want her (and your daughter) to have a decent crack at life without the ball and chain of sexism holding them back. | |||
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"I just can't understand why a lot of blokes feel so threatened by feminism. Because like facts and truth. Facts and truth are to feminism what garlic and silver are to vampires. That’s an incredibly naive and sweeping statement 2 women in the UK a week are killed by a current or former (male) partner! 1 in four women will experience sexual violence at some point in their lifetime while those figures exist I and many other feminist researchers will continue to fight for equality Absolute bollucks. It's really patethic and intellectually dishonest when feminists invent emotive terms like "sexual violence" to try and pretend there's some crime epidemic that there isn't. 1 in 4 my ass. Why not go live in Sudan then, it's safer based on what you say? What you really mean is that 1 in 4 women will be traumatically wolf whistled at in their life. For you to conflate that with victims of disgusting crimes like R@ is as low as it gets. " I’m not sure ‘traumatic wolf whistling’ was included in the ONS figures, actually. Was it? | |||
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"I just can't understand why a lot of blokes feel so threatened by feminism. Because like facts and truth. Facts and truth are to feminism what garlic and silver are to vampires. That’s an incredibly naive and sweeping statement 2 women in the UK a week are killed by a current or former (male) partner! 1 in four women will experience sexual violence at some point in their lifetime while those figures exist I and many other feminist researchers will continue to fight for equality Absolute bollucks. It's really patethic and intellectually dishonest when feminists invent emotive terms like "sexual violence" to try and pretend there's some crime epidemic that there isn't. 1 in 4 my ass. Why not go live in Sudan then, it's safer based on what you say? What you really mean is that 1 in 4 women will be traumatically wolf whistled at in their life. For you to conflate that with victims of disgusting crimes like R@ is as low as it gets. I’m not sure ‘traumatic wolf whistling’ was included in the ONS figures, actually. Was it?" It's not one of the categories I've collected stats on. | |||
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"I totally get why feminists fight for the cause . I have a daughter who benefits from the work that’s been done to get to where we are now , which is a bloody sight better than it was when I was growing up . Just as long as they don't bring it up or to your door? I'm proud of the work I have done that has led to better equality. I'm proud of the influence I have had on young men that enables them to be proud of being feminists. Work has been done but it's not finished. " Good for you , and I don’t doubt that you have every right to feel proud of your achievements . But just because , as you put it , as long as they don’t bring it up or to my door , I’m at fault somehow ? Absolute nonsense and that attitude is why so many people don’t get involved in looking to change things . You have no idea what I may or may not have been involved with throughout my life . There are thousands of worthy causes to try and change so many unjust things that go on in this world . Cruelty towards fellow humans and animals , oppressive regimes , plastic ruining the eco system and no end of other destructive things going on etc...... So I have quietly got on with my life doing things here and there that satiate my conscience . Just as you have . And yes , I’m grateful to the people who have made this country a better place for women who live in it . I’m also equally as grateful that they haven’t all come to me saying it’s all very well that I’m grateful , as long as it’s not on my doorstep  | |||
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"Or are you happy with how society treats you now ?" Let's see... I am constantly objectified for having breasts and a vagina. God forbid I take offense to that, because then I am an uptight bitch. If I am wary of strange men, I am paranoid - if I end up getting r*ped it's my own fault. Basically I can't win. I mean, how dare I actually want treated in a respectful manner and valued for my mind as much as my body? | |||
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"I just can't understand why a lot of blokes feel so threatened by feminism. Because like facts and truth. Facts and truth are to feminism what garlic and silver are to vampires. That’s an incredibly naive and sweeping statement 2 women in the UK a week are killed by a current or former (male) partner! 1 in four women will experience sexual violence at some point in their lifetime while those figures exist I and many other feminist researchers will continue to fight for equality Absolute bollucks. It's really patethic and intellectually dishonest when feminists invent emotive terms like "sexual violence" to try and pretend there's some crime epidemic that there isn't. 1 in 4 my ass. Why not go live in Sudan then, it's safer based on what you say? What you really mean is that 1 in 4 women will be traumatically wolf whistled at in their life. For you to conflate that with victims of disgusting crimes like R@ is as low as it gets. I’m not sure ‘traumatic wolf whistling’ was included in the ONS figures, actually. Was it? So basically you're saying that UK prison population should be way way bigger if all the criminals were actually being locked up? How do so many avoid being convicted for their crimes? Are the courts in on it? Is it a police conspiracy? Or perhaps these 'crimes' are made up bullshit? I think what I said was: “I’m not sure ‘traumatic wolf whistling’ was included in the ONS figures, actually. Was it?” And your answer was to avoid answering what was simply a question. And then make out I was saying something else. Hope that helped." The category you mentioned includes "unwanted touching" and "indecent exposure". I stand by my position that it's pathetic and immoral to lump those in with a category that includes something as serious as r@. | |||
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"I just can't understand why a lot of blokes feel so threatened by feminism. Because like facts and truth. Facts and truth are to feminism what garlic and silver are to vampires. That’s an incredibly naive and sweeping statement 2 women in the UK a week are killed by a current or former (male) partner! 1 in four women will experience sexual violence at some point in their lifetime while those figures exist I and many other feminist researchers will continue to fight for equality Absolute bollucks. It's really patethic and intellectually dishonest when feminists invent emotive terms like "sexual violence" to try and pretend there's some crime epidemic that there isn't. 1 in 4 my ass. Why not go live in Sudan then, it's safer based on what you say? What you really mean is that 1 in 4 women will be traumatically wolf whistled at in their life. For you to conflate that with victims of disgusting crimes like R@ is as low as it gets. I’m not sure ‘traumatic wolf whistling’ was included in the ONS figures, actually. Was it? So basically you're saying that UK prison population should be way way bigger if all the criminals were actually being locked up? How do so many avoid being convicted for their crimes? Are the courts in on it? Is it a police conspiracy? Or perhaps these 'crimes' are made up bullshit? I think what I said was: “I’m not sure ‘traumatic wolf whistling’ was included in the ONS figures, actually. Was it?” And your answer was to avoid answering what was simply a question. And then make out I was saying something else. Hope that helped. The category you mentioned includes "unwanted touching" and "indecent exposure". I stand by my position that it's pathetic and immoral to lump those in with a category that includes something as serious as r@. " The category *you* mentioned, and labelled is not the same as unwanted touching or indecent exposure. My question was is unwanted catcalling (my term for what I believe you were referring to as traumatic wolf whistling, as I think it’s less piss-taking, but each to their own) even included in the stats? I’ve not looked, but I don’t think it is - I might be wrong. But you can’t just state it’s the same as unwanted touching and indecent exposure. It isn’t. I made no comment on the degrees or otherwise of importance/impact moral or otherwise of the range of things that *are* included in the stats - I’m first trying to establish the “truth” of what’s in the stats. Not sure what your issue is with that, apart from that I’m a feminist and like truth and stats and that doesn’t fit your narrative further up. | |||
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I speak as a woman. I’ve never said I speak for all women.
Yes but the question was addressed to women -just me being pedantically painfull is all
It was. Which means individual women can speak and collectively the OP receives answer. It’s perfectly acceptable English in the title."Not questionong the English of it at all -just thought that the question could be interpreted in 2 ways -For Myself I would probably have phrased it thus: "As women" or made the distinction later as in "As indivuals how do you" etc -anyway this is digressing as it seems my little attempt at irony/ humour was bound for Hethrow not the Forum  | |||
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"*waves* feminist here! I’m a feminist that believes in equality. I’m not a man hating feminist there’s only a minority that are man haters against trans women etc unfortunately they’re the ones that give us a bad name Agree. I think the bad ones ruin it for the good ones. I think they need a new term for the good ones. The term 'feminist' just conjures up some angry militant man hating lesbian.
Are you including “lesbian” in that list of pejorative terms? As if being a lesbian is a bad thing? Surely not.
Are you suggesting that being angry is a bad thing?
It’s your list. You even put a little sad face at the end, to show how sad it is that the word “feminist” contours up such images. Bit of homophobia crept in though didn’t it? "If you say so. | |||
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"Or are you happy with how society treats you now ? Let's see... I am constantly objectified for having breasts and a vagina. God forbid I take offense to that, because then I am an uptight bitch. If I am wary of strange men, I am paranoid - if I end up getting r*ped it's my own fault. Basically I can't win. I mean, how dare I actually want treated in a respectful manner and valued for my mind as much as my body? You do realize good looking people of both sexes will get unwanted attention..... So my male drinking buddy in my office gets hit on everytime we go to a bar for happy hour..... Is he being objectified by women and men for being handsome? In a bar where people are drinking? I'd say that's slightly different from not being able to walk down the street in a t-shirt in the middle of summer without some moron feeling the need to comment that I have breasts. Or some sicko trying to follow me home late at night because I'm "so beautiful" and he wants to "take me on a date". " You’re rich ........ and what you speak about was happening in the 80’s and 90’s... Women today always have ear phones on when out in public and usually on their phones... I’m calling you out because people tune the world out so much... there is a campaign to not text and walk.... So please explain how these men are getting these womens attention? To objectify these poor women..... | |||
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"I am baffled by this thread. Women do not have absolute equality of opportunity, pay, and personal safety in this country and the only reason that things have improved to the extent that they have is a result of the relentless push for progression over decades. Without those women pushing they would still be little less than chattels. There will always be individuals who do not feel that they are restricted socially and that is wonderful for them. Sadly they do not reflect the experiences of all people. Hearing men shouting about how equality for women is not a valid concern is really quite nauseating. Similar to white people preaching that racism isn’t an issue. And saying that women should be happy with what they have because it is even worse in other countries is frankly illogical drivel. Of all fora, I thought that Fab might be a little more enlightened on gender issues. So depressing..." Well said. My only caveat is there have been also some great people (not solely women) who have pushed forward opportunities for all. There are bloody great feminist men too.  | |||
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"I am baffled by this thread. Women do not have absolute equality of opportunity, pay, and personal safety in this country and the only reason that things have improved to the extent that they have is a result of the relentless push for progression over decades. Without those women pushing they would still be little less than chattels. There will always be individuals who do not feel that they are restricted socially and that is wonderful for them. Sadly they do not reflect the experiences of all people. Hearing men shouting about how equality for women is not a valid concern is really quite nauseating. Similar to white people preaching that racism isn’t an issue. And saying that women should be happy with what they have because it is even worse in other countries is frankly illogical drivel. Of all fora, I thought that Fab might be a little more enlightened on gender issues. So depressing..." What world do you live in? Go to any construction site.... you will see a woman holding a sign and men doing the heavy work. Both are getting $50 per hour.... Please take a picture of a woman with a jackhammer and send it to me.... | |||
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"I am baffled by this thread. Women do not have absolute equality of opportunity, pay, and personal safety in this country and the only reason that things have improved to the extent that they have is a result of the relentless push for progression over decades. Without those women pushing they would still be little less than chattels. There will always be individuals who do not feel that they are restricted socially and that is wonderful for them. Sadly they do not reflect the experiences of all people. Hearing men shouting about how equality for women is not a valid concern is really quite nauseating. Similar to white people preaching that racism isn’t an issue. And saying that women should be happy with what they have because it is even worse in other countries is frankly illogical drivel. Of all fora, I thought that Fab might be a little more enlightened on gender issues. So depressing... What world do you live in? Go to any construction site.... you will see a woman holding a sign and men doing the heavy work. Both are getting $50 per hour.... Please take a picture of a woman with a jackhammer and send it to me...." I’m so relieved. Pictures of women with jackhammers is proof that the world is unequivocally fair. If only I’d known it was that easy. | |||
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"Yes, using a jackhammer is the only form of work. " Yes ...... holding the sign for $50 per hour is Work compared to using the jackhammer.... | |||
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"I am baffled by this thread. Women do not have absolute equality of opportunity, pay, and personal safety in this country and the only reason that things have improved to the extent that they have is a result of the relentless push for progression over decades. Without those women pushing they would still be little less than chattels. There will always be individuals who do not feel that they are restricted socially and that is wonderful for them. Sadly they do not reflect the experiences of all people. Hearing men shouting about how equality for women is not a valid concern is really quite nauseating. Similar to white people preaching that racism isn’t an issue. And saying that women should be happy with what they have because it is even worse in other countries is frankly illogical drivel. Of all fora, I thought that Fab might be a little more enlightened on gender issues. So depressing... What world do you live in? Go to any construction site.... you will see a woman holding a sign and men doing the heavy work. Both are getting $50 per hour.... Please take a picture of a woman with a jackhammer and send it to me...." I’ve worked on military projects and engineering projects and I’ve seen women work as physically hard as their male counterparts. But that isn’t the only measure of work either. I’ve also seen female colleagues work twice as hard as some of their male counterparts while also using their brains to manage projects and putting up with the patronising moronic comments from these prehistoric throwbacks. | |||
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"I am baffled by this thread. Women do not have absolute equality of opportunity, pay, and personal safety in this country and the only reason that things have improved to the extent that they have is a result of the relentless push for progression over decades. Without those women pushing they would still be little less than chattels. There will always be individuals who do not feel that they are restricted socially and that is wonderful for them. Sadly they do not reflect the experiences of all people. Hearing men shouting about how equality for women is not a valid concern is really quite nauseating. Similar to white people preaching that racism isn’t an issue. And saying that women should be happy with what they have because it is even worse in other countries is frankly illogical drivel. Of all fora, I thought that Fab might be a little more enlightened on gender issues. So depressing... What world do you live in? Go to any construction site.... you will see a woman holding a sign and men doing the heavy work. Both are getting $50 per hour.... Please take a picture of a woman with a jackhammer and send it to me.... I’m so relieved. Pictures of women with jackhammers is proof that the world is unequivocally fair. If only I’d known it was that easy. " I’m sorry but the world will never be fair or equal.... I will except that being a man has some ingrained advantages and some disadvantages..... I just would like feminists to except being a woman will have some ingrained advantages and disadvantages..... If we all could do that , the world will be a better place.... | |||
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"My major problem with feminist was when they pushed to have women on the front lines in forward combat roles , during military campaigns.... I have seen women fight bravely during war... Sri Lanka had the Tamil Tigers, Kurdish women fight bravely, and Isreal has had women in combat roles since inception..... but these were small military’s than didn’t have enough men... But I never found one good reason to have females in forward battle positions, other than to prove women can fight.... Now when we have pictures and videos of dead women on the news. I hope the Feminist will feel proud...." But those women have the *choice* to be on the front line. That's the point of what the feminists were fighting for. If those women get injured or killed, they were there by choice- the same as the men. Are dead women soldiers somehow 'worth more' than dead men soldiers? | |||
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"I am baffled by this thread. Women do not have absolute equality of opportunity, pay, and personal safety in this country and the only reason that things have improved to the extent that they have is a result of the relentless push for progression over decades. Without those women pushing they would still be little less than chattels. There will always be individuals who do not feel that they are restricted socially and that is wonderful for them. Sadly they do not reflect the experiences of all people. Hearing men shouting about how equality for women is not a valid concern is really quite nauseating. Similar to white people preaching that racism isn’t an issue. And saying that women should be happy with what they have because it is even worse in other countries is frankly illogical drivel. Of all fora, I thought that Fab might be a little more enlightened on gender issues. So depressing... What world do you live in? Go to any construction site.... you will see a woman holding a sign and men doing the heavy work. Both are getting $50 per hour.... Please take a picture of a woman with a jackhammer and send it to me.... I’m so relieved. Pictures of women with jackhammers is proof that the world is unequivocally fair. If only I’d known it was that easy. I’m sorry but the world will never be fair or equal.... I will except that being a man has some ingrained advantages and some disadvantages..... I just would like feminists to except being a woman will have some ingrained advantages and disadvantages..... If we all could do that , the world will be a better place...." I do take exception, that’s the point. | |||
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"Just out of curiosity, not trying to start an argument or be ignorant. But is there any jobs women, by law, aren't allowed to have?" Which country? | |||
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"Just out of curiosity, not trying to start an argument or be ignorant. But is there any jobs women, by law, aren't allowed to have? Which country? " This country And again, I stress, I'm purely asking out of curiosity | |||
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"I just can't understand why a lot of blokes feel so threatened by feminism.. I think you've misunderstood being annoyed by something and being threatened by it. And I think you’ve quite clearly misunderstood what the actual issue of the pay gap is. You’re doing that simplistic analogy that people do when they compare a country’s economy with a household economy. " . No not really, it's not even closely similar. The fact remains that women between 25 and 35 who are SINGLE earn more money than there male counterparts, obviously something crazy went on when they got to 35 because they decided to take jobs earning less money?. There's no ism at work, females at younger ages tend to knuckle down more than there male counterparts put in alot of effort and get rewarded, unfortunately there hormones go bonkers when they hit 30 sending them into downward spiral of searching internet dating sites for a half reasonable mate which they never find because all the reasonable ones have long gone, hook up with any old Tom Harry and dick, knock out some kids which they then parade round friends and relatives for the next five years in a vain attempt to justify the halfwit mate she's "settled" for while trolling mums net because "it's the only way she gets to feel better about life as an older mum feminist". This is what actually causes women's productivity to decline then giving a "pay gap" issue for over educated intellectual guardian readers to get "huffy" about. Mistaken? I think not | |||
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