FabSwingers.com forum: Is UK Obesity epidemic out of control?

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

The UK has the highest obesity rate in Western Europe, our rate is increasing faster than the US. 62% of adults are overweight ( 27% clinically obese)compared to 53% 20 years ago. This obviously will put our NHS under increased strain. Is there anything that can be done to slow this rate and possibility reverse it, or are we heading for a Wall- E situation ?

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Ooh, can I have a floating chair now?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Judging by this site yes!

Joke

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Judging by this site yes!

Joke

Perfect people, eh?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The UK has the highest obesity rate in Western Europe, our rate is increasing faster than the US. 62% of adults are overweight ( 27% clinically obese)compared to 53% 20 years ago. This obviously will put our NHS under increased strain. Is there anything that can be done to slow this rate and possibility reverse it, or are we heading for a Wall- E situation ? "

Almost all of the obese adults will suffer with non-alcohol fatty liver disease. Morbidly obese adults (BMI 40+) will die 8-10 years prematurely.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’m sitting here eating cake and I don’t care how fat I am, I bet you’ll still invite me round later on OP

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Almost all of the obese adults will suffer with non-alcohol fatty liver disease. Morbidly obese adults (BMI 40+) will die 8-10 years prematurely."

That will save the Government some pension money.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I’m sitting here eating cake and I don’t care how fat I am, I bet you’ll still invite me round later on OP"

I promise not to sit on your face again though, I’m still sorry about that

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I’m sitting here eating cake and I don’t care how fat I am, I bet you’ll still invite me round later on OP"

Only if you bring cake.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is causing a crisis in the NHS I know that from friends who work there . We spend 14 billion a year treating type 2 diabetes. Quite a lot of the people suffering from this could be cured by lifestyle choices . They need support and compassion to help .

I'm not being critical as that to easy . With help they coukd reduce this what's being called epidemic.

I was seriously over weight I hit just under 18 stone . Then pooch came along . Our walks helped me loose weight . I'm back to 11 stone and jolly fit .

I would like to see more preventative measures to help people pushed forward by government

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Judging by this site yes!

Joke

Perfect people, eh?"

Is that a question or statement?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We have learnt such poor eating habits

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I’m sitting here eating cake and I don’t care how fat I am, I bet you’ll still invite me round later on OP

Only if you bring cake."

I always bring cake, you’re just not allowed any

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

OP, I know this one, unusually, is a serious thread topic but but it will turn into an attack on fat people like me.

Fat isn't just about food and exercise. We have to change our relationship with the calories we take in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Stop importing food?

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By *radleywigginsMan
over a year ago

northwest

They’re not obese. They’re just curvy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is causing a crisis in the NHS I know that from friends who work there . We spend 14 billion a year treating type 2 diabetes. Quite a lot of the people suffering from this could be cured by lifestyle choices . They need support and compassion to help .

I'm not being critical as that to easy . With help they coukd reduce this what's being called epidemic.

I was seriously over weight I hit just under 18 stone . Then pooch came along . Our walks helped me loose weight . I'm back to 11 stone and jolly fit .

I would like to see more preventative measures to help people pushed forward by government

Read NICE guidelines and Quality Standards

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By *crumdiddlyumptiousMan
over a year ago

Maybe a cull ?

Or replace the fox for obese people,

Just give them a mobility scooter to help them out,

I'm not that fucking cruel

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We have learnt such poor eating habits"

It's not so much eating habits though I agree they are shocking but kids these days compared to 30/40 years ago get next to no excercise.

When I was a kid a came home from school, grabbed a sandwich then played football for hours

Kids now do exactly what we are doing now, socialising from the couch

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not being critical as that to easy . With help they coukd reduce this what's being called epidemic.

I was seriously over weight I hit just under 18 stone . Then pooch came along . Our walks helped me loose weight . I'm back to 11 stone and jolly fit .

I would like to see more preventative measures to help people pushed forward by government

Read NICE guidelines and Quality Standards"

Will do

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By *crumdiddlyumptiousMan
over a year ago

"We have learnt such poor eating habits

It's not so much eating habits though I agree they are shocking but kids these days compared to 30/40 years ago get next to no excercise.

When I was a kid a came home from school, grabbed a sandwich then played football for hours

Kids now do exactly what we are doing now, socialising from the couch"

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"OP, I know this one, unusually, is a serious thread topic but but it will turn into an attack on fat people like me.

Fat isn't just about food and exercise. We have to change our relationship with the calories we take in."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I dont buy it one bit i take my kids to scool regularly and very rarley do i see the same amount of fat kids as when i was at school

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OP, I know this one, unusually, is a serious thread topic but but it will turn into an attack on fat people like me.

Fat isn't just about food and exercise. We have to change our relationship with the calories we take in."

I'm what some would call fat as well. Far from obese but a little overweight.

Don't let it bother you and don't take comments personally

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some of it is due to educating people. The food industry needs to take some responsibility and look at marketing. WH Smith stick loads of confectionary by the tills, so does Poundland.

And make it cheaper to eat the healthy choices. People go for convenience and cost. If a pizza is cheaper than chicken breast than they’ll often go for the one that costs less because their budget won’t stretch to the better choice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They’re not obese. They’re just curvy."

Don’t tar us all with the same brush, some of us are honest about the state of our bodies.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I dont buy it one bit i take my kids to scool regularly and very rarley do i see the same amount of fat kids as when i was at school"

When i was in primary school - juniors, there's was only one fat kid in the entire 4 years.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I dont buy it one bit i take my kids to scool regularly and very rarley do i see the same amount of fat kids as when i was at school"

Don't know what age your kids are but weight issues seem to develop as kids grow.

It is rare to see a really fat primary age kid but when they hit the teens it changes.

Not for all granted by some

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"OP, I know this one, unusually, is a serious thread topic but but it will turn into an attack on fat people like me.

Fat isn't just about food and exercise. We have to change our relationship with the calories we take in."

How do you mean change your relationship with calories ?

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"OP, I know this one, unusually, is a serious thread topic but but it will turn into an attack on fat people like me.

Fat isn't just about food and exercise. We have to change our relationship with the calories we take in.

I'm what some would call fat as well. Far from obese but a little overweight.

Don't let it bother you and don't take comments personally "

I don't take the comments personally. I call myself fat. I know why I am fat. I know what I have to do to change that. I also know why I don't, at the moment.

Other people aren't at that that stage and fat-shaming and BBW festishising don't help them, or anyone.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I’m sitting here eating cake and I don’t care how fat I am, I bet you’ll still invite me round later on OP

Only if you bring cake.

I always bring cake, you’re just not allowed any"

Are you going to sit on me and eat cake again ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OP, I know this one, unusually, is a serious thread topic but but it will turn into an attack on fat people like me.

Fat isn't just about food and exercise. We have to change our relationship with the calories we take in.

I'm what some would call fat as well. Far from obese but a little overweight.

Don't let it bother you and don't take comments personally "

I bet your BMI is higher than you think and you're more overweight than you think.

I classified as obese by my BMI and i do not look it.

It's due to the prevalence of overweight and obesity.

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By *rincessvenusCouple
over a year ago

Hull

all super mkt stick sweets and chock bars at yhe tills

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its the massive amounts of calories that is consumed now as so must food is pumped with sugars.

The excersise isnt as much of an issue, aslong as you are eating the same amount of calories as youre burning.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It doest help people to want to cut weight by treating them like outcast criminals having drs calling people fat and getting on there high horse about it telling people what to do doesnt work i would do the opposite just to rebel

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I’m sitting here eating cake and I don’t care how fat I am, I bet you’ll still invite me round later on OP

Only if you bring cake.

I always bring cake, you’re just not allowed any

Are you going to sit on me and eat cake again ? "

Don’t even try and pretend you didn’t love it last time, or was that really your phone in your pocket?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Some of it is due to educating people. The food industry needs to take some responsibility and look at marketing. WH Smith stick loads of confectionary by the tills, so does Poundland.

Why should the food industry take responsibility?

They are independent businesses trying to maximise profits.

It's the government who need to act but they won't because making food healthier means making it more expensive and that's the last thing any government wants.

Just to add the parents also need to act.

If anyone allows their kids to fester on an Xbox for years on end they cant blame Heinz for putting sugar in Ketchup

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"all super mkt stick sweets and chock bars at yhe tills "

Because we impulse buy them, it’s good for business, why wouldn’t they do it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OP, I know this one, unusually, is a serious thread topic but but it will turn into an attack on fat people like me.

Fat isn't just about food and exercise. We have to change our relationship with the calories we take in.

I'm what some would call fat as well. Far from obese but a little overweight.

Don't let it bother you and don't take comments personally

I bet your BMI is higher than you think and you're more overweight than you think.

I classified as obese by my BMI and i do not look it.

It's due to the prevalence of overweight and obesity."

Your probably right and I am a little overweight but it doesn't define ofmaffect me and it shouldn't you

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"all super mkt stick sweets and chock bars at yhe tills "

Tesco don't. Aldi don't. Lidl don't

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Some of it is due to educating people. The food industry needs to take some responsibility and look at marketing. WH Smith stick loads of confectionary by the tills, so does Poundland.

Why should the food industry take responsibility?

They are independent businesses trying to maximise profits.

It's the government who need to act but they won't because making food healthier means making it more expensive and that's the last thing any government wants.

Just to add the parents also need to act.

If anyone allows their kids to fester on an Xbox for years on end they cant blame Heinz for putting sugar in Ketchup"

So the food industry can do what they like? No comeback at all? As long as they get their profits for shareholders ? Morals obviously don’t exist in that industry.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I dont buy it one bit i take my kids to scool regularly and very rarley do i see the same amount of fat kids as when i was at school

Don't know what age your kids are but weight issues seem to develop as kids grow.

It is rare to see a really fat primary age kid but when they hit the teens it changes.

Not for all granted by some "

Both my oldest are high school age

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"OP, I know this one, unusually, is a serious thread topic but but it will turn into an attack on fat people like me.

Fat isn't just about food and exercise. We have to change our relationship with the calories we take in.

How do you mean change your relationship with calories ? "

Food for comfort, food as a reward, food to please others, food for boredom. Understanding why you clothe yourself in fat.

I am more comfortable in my skin as a fat person than I ever was as a thin person. I was a size 8/10 and was told I was fat then and that no man would be interested in me if I gained any weight. That sits deep, even with therapy. Other life events left me wanting to protect myself.

There is a story for every fat person. That's just a bit of mine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OP, I know this one, unusually, is a serious thread topic but but it will turn into an attack on fat people like me.

Fat isn't just about food and exercise. We have to change our relationship with the calories we take in.

I'm what some would call fat as well. Far from obese but a little overweight.

Don't let it bother you and don't take comments personally

I bet your BMI is higher than you think and you're more overweight than you think.

I classified as obese by my BMI and i do not look it."

That's part of the problem. People don't realise that they are obese because they don't think they look it. I was obese before I lost 3 1/2 stone. Most people were surprised when I said I was obese. But I feel so much happier and healthier having lost the weight.

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By *heIcebreakersCouple
over a year ago

Cramlington

"OP, I know this one, unusually, is a serious thread topic but but it will turn into an attack on fat people like me.

Fat isn't just about food and exercise. We have to change our relationship with the calories we take in.

I'm what some would call fat as well. Far from obese but a little overweight.

Don't let it bother you and don't take comments personally

I bet your BMI is higher than you think and you're more overweight than you think.

I classified as obese by my BMI and i do not look it.

It's due to the prevalence of overweight and obesity."
On the other hand, the fact that most people don't know their BMI, and don't understand it, may just be evidence that BMI is a poor measure...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OP, I know this one, unusually, is a serious thread topic but but it will turn into an attack on fat people like me.

Fat isn't just about food and exercise. We have to change our relationship with the calories we take in.

I'm what some would call fat as well. Far from obese but a little overweight.

Don't let it bother you and don't take comments personally

I bet your BMI is higher than you think and you're more overweight than you think.

I classified as obese by my BMI and i do not look it.

It's due to the prevalence of overweight and obesity.On the other hand, the fact that most people don't know their BMI, and don't understand it, may just be evidence that BMI is a poor measure..."

BMI is a poor measure, having your body fat percentage measured is a much more accurate representation

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OP, I know this one, unusually, is a serious thread topic but but it will turn into an attack on fat people like me.

Fat isn't just about food and exercise. We have to change our relationship with the calories we take in.

I'm what some would call fat as well. Far from obese but a little overweight.

Don't let it bother you and don't take comments personally

I bet your BMI is higher than you think and you're more overweight than you think.

I classified as obese by my BMI and i do not look it.

It's due to the prevalence of overweight and obesity.

Your probably right and I am a little overweight but it doesn't define ofmaffect me and it shouldn't you"

It doesn't define me as a person, but it could define my future health. Oddly enough I'm not worried about my diet as, for the most part, i eat healthily. I'm fat due to my hormones affecting my metabolism.

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By *hubnwife_36dd_ukCouple
over a year ago

chester

"I dont buy it one bit i take my kids to scool regularly and very rarley do i see the same amount of fat kids as when i was at school"

Is that one of those "we don't need no experts" comments?

Do you think they just invented the surveys and the results just to have something to say over coffee!

The unnecessary life damage is huge and we haven't begun to get a grip on the problem.

No bull. no lies, I'm overweight: too much chocolate and biscuits.

Exercise isn't the answer in itself either, it's simply a part answer as exercise does help to kill your appetite somewhat. Note you need to run (run, not dawdle) around 9 miles to burn off a Mars bar! How many people are packing that kind of time into their day?

Cutting the intake is the key step! Changing how much you eat and what you eat!

Simples: more going in than going out = weight gain.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"OP, I know this one, unusually, is a serious thread topic but but it will turn into an attack on fat people like me.

Fat isn't just about food and exercise. We have to change our relationship with the calories we take in.

How do you mean change your relationship with calories ?

Food for comfort, food as a reward, food to please others, food for boredom. Understanding why you clothe yourself in fat.

There is a story for every fat person. That's just a bit of mine.

It’s something I don’t understand, a lot of my family are obese, some morbidly obese and I just don’t get why they let thereselves get like it. I just see it as being weak willed, maybe that’s harsh, but my brothers is 9 stone heavier than me and he’s 2 inches shorter.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It doest help people to want to cut weight by treating them like outcast criminals having drs calling people fat and getting on there high horse about it telling people what to do doesnt work i would do the opposite just to rebel "

Really? I've never been treated like an outcast criminal.

Just because it's in the consciousness and is discussed doesn't mean overweight people are being attacked in any way.

BTW nobody tells anyone what to do in this country so I'm unsure what you would rebel against.

It's a good thing this gets discussed, nobody is "telling" anyone anything.

The government are trying to educate people (not tell) and despite the fact they are doing a shite job of it at least it's on the agenda.

What's your solution? Do nothing and let a % of our population die young?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I struggle trying to get my kid to gain weight. She eats 5 to 6 small meals a day but does classes every day, kickboxing 3 times a week which are two hour classes. Then swimming, dance twice a week, gymnastics and drama. Kids almost 9 and her abs have popped.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OP, I know this one, unusually, is a serious thread topic but but it will turn into an attack on fat people like me.

Fat isn't just about food and exercise. We have to change our relationship with the calories we take in.

I'm what some would call fat as well. Far from obese but a little overweight.

Don't let it bother you and don't take comments personally

I bet your BMI is higher than you think and you're more overweight than you think.

I classified as obese by my BMI and i do not look it.

It's due to the prevalence of overweight and obesity.On the other hand, the fact that most people don't know their BMI, and don't understand it, may just be evidence that BMI is a poor measure..."

BMI and waist circumference, together, are indicators of health risk.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not being critical as that to easy . With help they coukd reduce this what's being called epidemic.

I was seriously over weight I hit just under 18 stone . Then pooch came along . Our walks helped me loose weight . I'm back to 11 stone and jolly fit .

I would like to see more preventative measures to help people pushed forward by government

I agree but I'm not sure what they can do. Seems like whatever they do, people get pissed off at the government dictating to them.

If the doc points out that they are fat they get pissed off. If the doc mentions diabetes they get pissed off.

People have to want to do it for themselves.

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By *MP3Man
over a year ago

Between Scylla and Charybdis

"Judging by this site yes!

Joke

Perfect people, eh?"

Ok, so I like my Big Macs. So what?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OP, I know this one, unusually, is a serious thread topic but but it will turn into an attack on fat people like me.

Fat isn't just about food and exercise. We have to change our relationship with the calories we take in.

I'm what some would call fat as well. Far from obese but a little overweight.

Don't let it bother you and don't take comments personally

I bet your BMI is higher than you think and you're more overweight than you think.

I classified as obese by my BMI and i do not look it.

It's due to the prevalence of overweight and obesity.On the other hand, the fact that most people don't know their BMI, and don't understand it, may just be evidence that BMI is a poor measure...

BMI is a poor measure, having your body fat percentage measured is a much more accurate representation"

It's a guide. It is, however, a poor measure in those with low muscle mass and bone density, and those with high muscle mass.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bmi is completely worthless as it completely disregards body composition which should be the true measure but cannit be concluded by a few calculations from weight and height like bmi can.

I have 32.8 bmi and apparently are obese

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I dont buy it one bit i take my kids to scool regularly and very rarley do i see the same amount of fat kids as when i was at school"

Oh, in that case the country is doing just fine and the type 2 diabetes that’s going through the roof must be caused by other reasons then.

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By *luebell888Woman
over a year ago

Glasgowish

You are what you eat full stop. Eating habits in Britain are terrible and folk refuse to help themselves.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"OP, I know this one, unusually, is a serious thread topic but but it will turn into an attack on fat people like me.

Fat isn't just about food and exercise. We have to change our relationship with the calories we take in.

I'm what some would call fat as well. Far from obese but a little overweight.

Don't let it bother you and don't take comments personally

I bet your BMI is higher than you think and you're more overweight than you think.

I classified as obese by my BMI and i do not look it.

It's due to the prevalence of overweight and obesity.On the other hand, the fact that most people don't know their BMI, and don't understand it, may just be evidence that BMI is a poor measure..."

BMI is a poor measure - it was designed to measure populations, not individuals, it's fine if you sit in the middle of the bell curve (average build) but it's not great otherwise.

A far better measure would be body fat percentage (although people need to bear in mind you can only be accurate to within roughly 5%)

For illustration - I'm almost always pushing "overweight" on BMI charts....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OP, I know this one, unusually, is a serious thread topic but but it will turn into an attack on fat people like me.

Fat isn't just about food and exercise. We have to change our relationship with the calories we take in.

How do you mean change your relationship with calories ?

Food for comfort, food as a reward, food to please others, food for boredom. Understanding why you clothe yourself in fat.

There is a story for every fat person. That's just a bit of mine.

Someone once said to me, an alcoholic can live without alcohol it isn’t necessary to survive, the same with a smoker and cigarettes. Food you need, and I know you don’t need to ram excess amounts down your throat. But you can’t avoid it altogether so that can make it difficult for some to control their intake. Is that weak willed? I’m not so sure.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OP, I know this one, unusually, is a serious thread topic but but it will turn into an attack on fat people like me.

Fat isn't just about food and exercise. We have to change our relationship with the calories we take in.

How do you mean change your relationship with calories ?

Food for comfort, food as a reward, food to please others, food for boredom. Understanding why you clothe yourself in fat.

There is a story for every fat person. That's just a bit of mine.

I’ve been up and down on the scales for most of my life, and while I can attribute some of it to medical reasons (I can just hear everyone rolling their eyes now) and the drugs I was given to help (and again, thank you) there are a lot of moments when I was at the bottom end of the scale and I ruined it myself by being a greedy bitch with no self control. I struggled with bulimia and BED for a number of years and it’s hard to learn as an adult what everybody else already knows. I’m getting there, slowly but surely.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Some of it is due to educating people. The food industry needs to take some responsibility and look at marketing. WH Smith stick loads of confectionary by the tills, so does Poundland.

Why should the food industry take responsibility?

They are independent businesses trying to maximise profits.

It's the government who need to act but they won't because making food healthier means making it more expensive and that's the last thing any government wants.

Just to add the parents also need to act.

If anyone allows their kids to fester on an Xbox for years on end they cant blame Heinz for putting sugar in Ketchup

So the food industry can do what they like? No comeback at all? As long as they get their profits for shareholders ? Morals obviously don’t exist in that industry.

Yes they can do what they like, within the law.

This is the issue, if you have kids it's your job, nobody else's to give them the best possible upbringing. If someone has an obese kid then the first place to look for blame is the mirror.

You mention morals.

Morals should come from the home not KFC.

Why are you looking at the food industry to provide moral and health guidance to kids?

That's a parents job!

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By *heIcebreakersCouple
over a year ago

Cramlington

"OP, I know this one, unusually, is a serious thread topic but but it will turn into an attack on fat people like me.

Fat isn't just about food and exercise. We have to change our relationship with the calories we take in.

How do you mean change your relationship with calories ?

Food for comfort, food as a reward, food to please others, food for boredom. Understanding why you clothe yourself in fat.

There is a story for every fat person. That's just a bit of mine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OP, I know this one, unusually, is a serious thread topic but but it will turn into an attack on fat people like me.

Fat isn't just about food and exercise. We have to change our relationship with the calories we take in.

How do you mean change your relationship with calories ?

Food for comfort, food as a reward, food to please others, food for boredom. Understanding why you clothe yourself in fat.

There is a story for every fat person. That's just a bit of mine.

CALLING ALL UNITS

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By *radleywigginsMan
over a year ago

northwest

The government doesn’t ‘need’ to do anything.

The people don’t ‘need’ to be educated.

They just have to realise the importance of actually taking some responsibility for their actions.

Neolithic man understood that if he ate too little he got very thin and then died and if he ate too much he got very fat and then died.

Nobody needs to overcomplicate this issue with the science. Balance your food intake with your activity and you’ll be fine. There is no such thing as fat and healthy either!

We already have targets regarding calorie intake and activity level. Nobody gives a shit. Generally speaking very few people are bothered about their health until it becomes so poor that they are ill as a result of it.

Trying to shift responsibility (and a nanny state which has allowed people to do just that) to government and health services and then blame them for the failings is appalling. The health service is repeatedly pilloried for missing targets, but the public get away Scot free with missing the targets the government sets for them.

For the people complaining that this thread is fat-bashing, it’s very unlikely to do more harm than years of overeating and under-exercising.

The fat/weight/obesity is just the physical manifestation of the disease processes which are killing millions of people prematurely. Forget knife crime, gun crime and all the rest. It’s the sedentary lifestyle that’s more likely to finish you off.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I dont buy it one bit i take my kids to scool regularly and very rarley do i see the same amount of fat kids as when i was at school

Don't know what age your kids are but weight issues seem to develop as kids grow.

It is rare to see a really fat primary age kid but when they hit the teens it changes.

Not for all granted by some

Both my oldest are high school age

Well that school and the parents in the area are an exception to the rule

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OP, I know this one, unusually, is a serious thread topic but but it will turn into an attack on fat people like me.

Fat isn't just about food and exercise. We have to change our relationship with the calories we take in.

How do you mean change your relationship with calories ?

Food for comfort, food as a reward, food to please others, food for boredom. Understanding why you clothe yourself in fat.

There is a story for every fat person. That's just a bit of mine.

Have you ever put weight on? Did it make you feel crap? Genuine question, it sounds snippy sorry.

When I gain weight I feel crap so end up eating more and gain more. Before you know it a stone has gone on and you feel even worse.

After gaining a couple more stone the thought of being on a crappy diet for 6 months is pretty depressing so why bother. Another stone goes on and exercise gets harder. You feel really shit about yourself now but you feel invisible as no-one ever says "bloody hell you got fat!"

Invisible is good. Donuts don't take the piss and they taste nice. Another stone on.... Now it would take 8 months of eating lettuce to get to a reasonable weight. Donuts win.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

I think that children should be educated and parents should take more care about what they feed there kids.

If we can do that at least the next generation will be healthier than us

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Some of it is due to educating people. The food industry needs to take some responsibility and look at marketing. WH Smith stick loads of confectionary by the tills, so does Poundland.

Why should the food industry take responsibility?

They are independent businesses trying to maximise profits.

It's the government who need to act but they won't because making food healthier means making it more expensive and that's the last thing any government wants.

Just to add the parents also need to act.

If anyone allows their kids to fester on an Xbox for years on end they cant blame Heinz for putting sugar in Ketchup

So the food industry can do what they like? No comeback at all? As long as they get their profits for shareholders ? Morals obviously don’t exist in that industry.

Yes they can do what they like, within the law.

This is the issue, if you have kids it's your job, nobody else's to give them the best possible upbringing. If someone has an obese kid then the first place to look for blame is the mirror.

You mention morals.

Morals should come from the home not KFC.

Why are you looking at the food industry to provide moral and health guidance to kids?

That's a parents job!"

I wasn’t saying about kids was I ? Did I mention them?

But to answer your last point some parents simply don’t understand it enough. Perhaps they were also brought up eating crap so it carries on. We don’t live in Utopia.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The government doesn’t ‘need’ to do anything.

The people don’t ‘need’ to be educated.

They just have to realise the importance of actually taking some responsibility for their actions.

Neolithic man understood that if he ate too little he got very thin and then died and if he ate too much he got very fat and then died.

Nobody needs to overcomplicate this issue with the science. Balance your food intake with your activity and you’ll be fine. There is no such thing as fat and healthy either!

For the people complaining that this thread is fat-bashing, it’s very unlikely to do more harm than years of overeating and under-exercising.

I broadly agree with you but people do need to be educated.

I wouldn't trust a fair % of people in Britain to find their way out of a telephone box far less trust them to educate themselves on anything

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"OP, I know this one, unusually, is a serious thread topic but but it will turn into an attack on fat people like me.

Fat isn't just about food and exercise. We have to change our relationship with the calories we take in.

How do you mean change your relationship with calories ?

Food for comfort, food as a reward, food to please others, food for boredom. Understanding why you clothe yourself in fat.

There is a story for every fat person. That's just a bit of mine.

Us? Are you talking on behalf of everyone on the thread, oh I’m not going to remind you of diddly squat, if you’re going to be deliberately obtuse.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"OP, I know this one, unusually, is a serious thread topic but but it will turn into an attack on fat people like me.

Fat isn't just about food and exercise. We have to change our relationship with the calories we take in.

How do you mean change your relationship with calories ?

Food for comfort, food as a reward, food to please others, food for boredom. Understanding why you clothe yourself in fat.

There is a story for every fat person. That's just a bit of mine.

CALLING ALL UNITS"

We’ve got a live one !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Make clinically obese people hunt for food

Problem over

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OP, I know this one, unusually, is a serious thread topic but but it will turn into an attack on fat people like me.

Fat isn't just about food and exercise. We have to change our relationship with the calories we take in.

How do you mean change your relationship with calories ?

Food for comfort, food as a reward, food to please others, food for boredom. Understanding why you clothe yourself in fat.

There is a story for every fat person. That's just a bit of mine.

I very much agree with this. Could an alcoholic have just 3 drinks a day, spaced out at meal times?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Some of it is due to educating people. The food industry needs to take some responsibility and look at marketing. WH Smith stick loads of confectionary by the tills, so does Poundland.

Why should the food industry take responsibility?

They are independent businesses trying to maximise profits.

It's the government who need to act but they won't because making food healthier means making it more expensive and that's the last thing any government wants.

Just to add the parents also need to act.

If anyone allows their kids to fester on an Xbox for years on end they cant blame Heinz for putting sugar in Ketchup

So the food industry can do what they like? No comeback at all? As long as they get their profits for shareholders ? Morals obviously don’t exist in that industry.

Yes they can do what they like, within the law.

This is the issue, if you have kids it's your job, nobody else's to give them the best possible upbringing. If someone has an obese kid then the first place to look for blame is the mirror.

You mention morals.

Morals should come from the home not KFC.

Why are you looking at the food industry to provide moral and health guidance to kids?

That's a parents job!

I wasn’t saying about kids was I ? Did I mention them?

But to answer your last point some parents simply don’t understand it enough. Perhaps they were also brought up eating crap so it carries on. We don’t live in Utopia. "

True, apologies you didn't mention kids.

My point still remains though, maybe more so if talking about adults.

How can somebody eat themselves into ill health as an adult and blame Tesco?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"all super mkt stick sweets and chock bars at yhe tills

Because we impulse buy them, it’s good for business, why wouldn’t they do it?"

Didn't think they did anymore?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The government doesn’t ‘need’ to do anything.

The people don’t ‘need’ to be educated.

They just have to realise the importance of actually taking some responsibility for their actions.

Neolithic man understood that if he ate too little he got very thin and then died and if he ate too much he got very fat and then died.

Nobody needs to overcomplicate this issue with the science. Balance your food intake with your activity and you’ll be fine. There is no such thing as fat and healthy either!

For the people complaining that this thread is fat-bashing, it’s very unlikely to do more harm than years of overeating and under-exercising.

It's actually the diseases associated with obesity that's killing us off.

An obese woman is 13 times more likely to get type 2 diabetes than a non-obese woman.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Talking about obese parents and obese kids, anyone remember my fat kid in the pool thread

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Some of the parents have failed this generation.

I took a walk along the beach today and you could spot the English kids a mile away. Sat on tablets and iPhones while their foreign counterparts were swimming and playing in the sand.

And the scramble for the buffet and ice cream in the afternoons. Plates piled high with burgers and chips etc. Yet on the French and South American tables you see a far more balanced meal.

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By *ineMan
over a year ago

In cave behind a waterfall on a hill

"OP, I know this one, unusually, is a serious thread topic but but it will turn into an attack on fat people like me.

Fat isn't just about food and exercise. We have to change our relationship with the calories we take in.

How do you mean change your relationship with calories ?

Food for comfort, food as a reward, food to please others, food for boredom. Understanding why you clothe yourself in fat.

There is a story for every fat person. That's just a bit of mine.

It's hard to get inside anyone else's head and understand why they do what they do. Weight issues are complex, I know that from personal experience. And it's impossible for others to be motivated by proxy to do or change lifestyles to meet the concerns of another, even close relatives.

It is possible however to encourage others to find whatever they need to find to change their lives, but only if they want to make that change themselves.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Make clinically obese people hunt for food

Problem over "

Why didn’t Jamie Oliver think of that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Make clinically obese people hunt for food

Problem over

Why didn’t Jamie Oliver think of that. "

He's too busy trying to talk kids off eating chicken nuggets

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By *radleywigginsMan
over a year ago

northwest

"The government doesn’t ‘need’ to do anything.

The people don’t ‘need’ to be educated.

They just have to realise the importance of actually taking some responsibility for their actions.

Neolithic man understood that if he ate too little he got very thin and then died and if he ate too much he got very fat and then died.

Nobody needs to overcomplicate this issue with the science. Balance your food intake with your activity and you’ll be fine. There is no such thing as fat and healthy either!

For the people complaining that this thread is fat-bashing, it’s very unlikely to do more harm than years of overeating and under-exercising.

It's actually the diseases associated with obesity that's killing us off.

An obese woman is 13 times more likely to get type 2 diabetes than a non-obese woman."

That’s what I said. The fat is just the visible manifestation of the disease process [invisible].

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OP, I know this one, unusually, is a serious thread topic but but it will turn into an attack on fat people like me.

Fat isn't just about food and exercise. We have to change our relationship with the calories we take in.

How do you mean change your relationship with calories ?

Food for comfort, food as a reward, food to please others, food for boredom. Understanding why you clothe yourself in fat.

There is a story for every fat person. That's just a bit of mine.

CALLING ALL UNITS

We’ve got a live one !"

Back up required!!!! Cchhhh ccchhhhh over

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"OP, I know this one, unusually, is a serious thread topic but but it will turn into an attack on fat people like me.

Fat isn't just about food and exercise. We have to change our relationship with the calories we take in.

How do you mean change your relationship with calories ?

Food for comfort, food as a reward, food to please others, food for boredom. Understanding why you clothe yourself in fat.

There is a story for every fat person. That's just a bit of mine.

Lots of people think we're weak willed. Does that help me want to lose weight? No. It might spur on the odd individual to change but my guess is that most will think that they've already been convicted as a loser so they might as well have a doughnut.

There are thin people who are fat on the inside. I concentrate on not being a burden to the NHS, over and above my long term conditions. My glucose test comes in at 4.9. Blood pressure at 104/77. Cholesterol is raised at 6.1 but not that awful for an obese woman.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What happened in Wall-E?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Some of the parents have failed this generation.

I took a walk along the beach today and you could spot the English kids a mile away. Sat on tablets and iPhones while their foreign counterparts were swimming and playing in the sand.

And the scramble for the buffet and ice cream in the afternoons. Plates piled high with burgers and chips etc. Yet on the French and South American tables you see a far more balanced meal. "

Spot on. I'm far from the perfect parent but I take an interest in every area of my sons life but I see people who don't give a fuck.

It's a disgrace.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"What happened in Wall-E?"

Fat people sat in floating chairs and didn’t move, just got everything done for them, while they just ate and drank.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Talking about obese parents and obese kids, anyone remember my fat kid in the pool thread

I remember the one about the woman in the stands eating loads of junk. Was he her son? Not sure if we're referring to the same thread

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The government doesn’t ‘need’ to do anything.

The people don’t ‘need’ to be educated.

They just have to realise the importance of actually taking some responsibility for their actions.

Neolithic man understood that if he ate too little he got very thin and then died and if he ate too much he got very fat and then died.

Nobody needs to overcomplicate this issue with the science. Balance your food intake with your activity and you’ll be fine. There is no such thing as fat and healthy either!

For the people complaining that this thread is fat-bashing, it’s very unlikely to do more harm than years of overeating and under-exercising.

It's actually the diseases associated with obesity that's killing us off.

An obese woman is 13 times more likely to get type 2 diabetes than a non-obese woman.

That’s what I said. The fat is just the visible manifestation of the disease process [invisible]."

It's late

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Bmi is completely worthless as it completely disregards body composition which should be the true measure but cannit be concluded by a few calculations from weight and height like bmi can.

I have 32.8 bmi and apparently are obese"

My BMI is lower and I am obese.

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By *radleywigginsMan
over a year ago

northwest

"OP, I know this one, unusually, is a serious thread topic but but it will turn into an attack on fat people like me.

Fat isn't just about food and exercise. We have to change our relationship with the calories we take in.

How do you mean change your relationship with calories ?

Food for comfort, food as a reward, food to please others, food for boredom. Understanding why you clothe yourself in fat.

There is a story for every fat person. That's just a bit of mine.

Sadly it’s precisley this type of attitude which legitimatises it for everyone else.

Effectively declaring yourself healthy comparative to a generally unhealthy population worsens the outcomes for everybody involved. An attitude of I’m overweight but so are my friends doesn’t normalise it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What happened in Wall-E?

Fat people sat in floating chairs and didn’t move, just got everything done for them, while they just ate and drank. "

Sounds awesome!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What happened in Wall-E?

Fat people sat in floating chairs and didn’t move, just got everything done for them, while they just ate and drank. "

That’s my favourite sexual fantasy

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"OP, I know this one, unusually, is a serious thread topic but but it will turn into an attack on fat people like me.

Fat isn't just about food and exercise. We have to change our relationship with the calories we take in.

How do you mean change your relationship with calories ?

Food for comfort, food as a reward, food to please others, food for boredom. Understanding why you clothe yourself in fat.

There is a story for every fat person. That's just a bit of mine.

My brother is morbidly obese purely cause he likes eating, he’s said it himself and he doesn’t exercise, he’s a good bloke, we’re very similar in every other way.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"What happened in Wall-E?

Fat people sat in floating chairs and didn’t move, just got everything done for them, while they just ate and drank.

That’s my favourite sexual fantasy"

That and mean feeding you a Victoria Sponge.

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By *MP3Man
over a year ago

Between Scylla and Charybdis

"Bmi is completely worthless as it completely disregards body composition which should be the true measure but cannit be concluded by a few calculations from weight and height like bmi can.

I have 32.8 bmi and apparently are obese"

Exactly, mate. When I was bigger, as in more muscular,I was just over 16 stone with a 34" waist and a 46" chest. A doctor, who must have at least a 46" waist and had a huge pair of moobs, sat and told me in all seriousness that I was clincally obsese and that I must start to diet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What happened in Wall-E?

Fat people sat in floating chairs and didn’t move, just got everything done for them, while they just ate and drank.

That’s my favourite sexual fantasy

That and mean feeding you a Victoria Sponge. "

That’s a standard Tuesday night for us

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OP, I know this one, unusually, is a serious thread topic but but it will turn into an attack on fat people like me.

Fat isn't just about food and exercise. We have to change our relationship with the calories we take in.

How do you mean change your relationship with calories ?

Food for comfort, food as a reward, food to please others, food for boredom. Understanding why you clothe yourself in fat.

There is a story for every fat person. That's just a bit of mine.

Sadly it’s precisley this type of attitude which legitimatises it for everyone else.

That attitude is the norm these days though.

A poverty of ambition is becoming more and more normal.

It's almost illegal to criticise anything or anyone. Some people need to be saved from themselves and being educated and told what they are doing is damaging is the only way to do it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Talking about obese parents and obese kids, anyone remember my fat kid in the pool thread

I remember the one about the woman in the stands eating loads of junk. Was he her son? Not sure if we're referring to the same thread

That's the one, the daughter was huge and the mother was drinking a litre of lucozade and eating a peters pasty and bags of crisps at 10am

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By *ee pandaWoman
over a year ago

Ayrshire

I am and always have been a larger lady and i worked for the nhs for 16+yrs and i do get that some people who are obese can be a drain on the nhs but i can say that for me being over weight i am not unhealthy nor unfit as i can go to the gym and workout as well as doin 12/13hr day at work. Not everyone who is over weight is lazy or unhealthy.

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By *radleywigginsMan
over a year ago

northwest

"The government doesn’t ‘need’ to do anything.

The people don’t ‘need’ to be educated.

They just have to realise the importance of actually taking some responsibility for their actions.

Neolithic man understood that if he ate too little he got very thin and then died and if he ate too much he got very fat and then died.

Nobody needs to overcomplicate this issue with the science. Balance your food intake with your activity and you’ll be fine. There is no such thing as fat and healthy either!

For the people complaining that this thread is fat-bashing, it’s very unlikely to do more harm than years of overeating and under-exercising.

I broadly agree with you but people do need to be educated.

I wouldn't trust a fair % of people in Britain to find their way out of a telephone box far less trust them to educate themselves on anything"

My experience is that education about food/exercise/nutrition/physiology has very little to do with it.

The healthcare profession being a case in point. The full spectrum exists. Some of the doctors, nurses and even dietitians I’ve seen have been absolutely colossal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think people realise that obesity is mainly caused by soft drinks rather than fatty food.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Talking about obese parents and obese kids, anyone remember my fat kid in the pool thread

I remember the one about the woman in the stands eating loads of junk. Was he her son? Not sure if we're referring to the same thread

That's the one, the daughter was huge and the mother was drinking a litre of lucozade and eating a peters pasty and bags of crisps at 10am"

Ha proof that my memory serves me some of the time

If I remember correctly that thread didn't go down too well

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By *radleywigginsMan
over a year ago

northwest

"I don't think people realise that obesity is mainly caused by soft drinks rather than fatty food."

Er...?

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By *luebell888Woman
over a year ago

Glasgowish

"I am and always have been a larger lady and i worked for the nhs for 16+yrs and i do get that some people who are obese can be a drain on the nhs but i can say that for me being over weight i am not unhealthy nor unfit as i can go to the gym and workout as well as doin 12/13hr day at work. Not everyone who is over weight is lazy or unhealthy."

No but they do eat the wrong foods

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't think people realise that obesity is mainly caused by soft drinks rather than fatty food.

Er...?"

Think that just proves my point.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OP, I know this one, unusually, is a serious thread topic but but it will turn into an attack on fat people like me.

Fat isn't just about food and exercise. We have to change our relationship with the calories we take in.

How do you mean change your relationship with calories ?

Food for comfort, food as a reward, food to please others, food for boredom. Understanding why you clothe yourself in fat.

There is a story for every fat person. That's just a bit of mine.

Sadly it’s precisley this type of attitude which legitimatises it for everyone else.

That attitude is the norm these days though.

A poverty of ambition is becoming more and more normal.

It's almost illegal to criticise anything or anyone. Some people need to be saved from themselves and being educated and told what they are doing is damaging is the only way to do it."

And that's in the NICE guidelines.

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

For years I endured the jibes that people made to me because I smoked . I took no notice because I enjoyed smoking , and didn’t want to give up .

Then I had a heart attack in January which was solely due to my smoking , and after stents , mri scans , medication for life , and obviously the shock of waking up in hospital after nearly dying , I stopped smoking .

Eating too much , taking comfort in eating the kind of food that makes you fat , and not exercising enough are just as stupid as my smoking habit . But no one can tell you that , any more than they could tell me .

So , yes , the nhs will have to deal with the obesity epidemic , just as they did for me . Because I’m afraid there are so many people who don’t do anything about a problem until the problem becomes so great that there’s no other alternative to deal with it . And yes , I include myself in that statement .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Bmi is completely worthless as it completely disregards body composition which should be the true measure but cannit be concluded by a few calculations from weight and height like bmi can.

I have 32.8 bmi and apparently are obese

That doctor needs to use his eyes mate haha id have found it hard to bite my tongue, never had an experience as bad and blatant as that but did have a doctor say I needed to watch my weight by a doctor I seen for 3 small surgical hernias and a lecture on eating right by a 20 stone + nurse who to her credit did laugh and say she wasn’t one to talk

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By *ust PeachyWoman
over a year ago

Prestonish

"Bmi is completely worthless as it completely disregards body composition which should be the true measure but cannit be concluded by a few calculations from weight and height like bmi can.

I have 32.8 bmi and apparently are obese

Bring that obese body over to Preston! I want to help you exercise it!

Short answer - yes I believe we are in crisis. The average person is a lot fatter than they were a generation or two ago and it’s getting worse - not better!

I believe the solution is simple - to have more compulsory p.e lessons throughout school, college and university - and to have weekly food tech (cookery to us old un’s!) from primary to 18 yrs! If kids can cook well and cheaply (unlike the majority of their fast food generation parents) then they’ll have a healthy disregard for expensive, awful tasting fast/processed food!

It’ll never happen though unfortunately as it’s far too sensible and not remotely gimmicky- so no one will make money from it! X

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By *heCrowAndButterflyCouple
over a year ago

Rushden

"OP, I know this one, unusually, is a serious thread topic but but it will turn into an attack on fat people like me.

Fat isn't just about food and exercise. We have to change our relationship with the calories we take in.

I'm what some would call fat as well. Far from obese but a little overweight.

Don't let it bother you and don't take comments personally

I bet your BMI is higher than you think and you're more overweight than you think.

I classified as obese by my BMI and i do not look it.

It's due to the prevalence of overweight and obesity.On the other hand, the fact that most people don't know their BMI, and don't understand it, may just be evidence that BMI is a poor measure...

BMI is a poor measure, having your body fat percentage measured is a much more accurate representation"

This! It's well known BMI is a load of rubbish, a 5'8 body builder weighing 14st and 5-10% body fat would technically be classed as obese, maybe even morbidly obese. don't get me wrong im obese on any scale, I don't like it but I struggle to do anything about it currently, I can lose it but I just cannot keep it off. Part of it is my job, it's sedentary and long hours, any way back to topic, there are plenty of other better ways of measuring people's body state, but BMI is the simplest and quite frankly its an easy stick to beat people with, and not don't the media do that every chance they get. And the irony of it is that its the morbidy obese the desk jockeying journos that write all the garbage! (disclaimer. I know not all journalists are over weight)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't actually no anyone who has a weight problem where was the poll taken not USA?

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"OP, I know this one, unusually, is a serious thread topic but but it will turn into an attack on fat people like me.

Fat isn't just about food and exercise. We have to change our relationship with the calories we take in.

How do you mean change your relationship with calories ?

Food for comfort, food as a reward, food to please others, food for boredom. Understanding why you clothe yourself in fat.

There is a story for every fat person. That's just a bit of mine.

Sadly it’s precisley this type of attitude which legitimatises it for everyone else.

I'm not legitimising anything. I'm saying that I make the choices I feel able to make in my obesity to not become diabetic.

You have stated your position and while I understand it the underlying disdain makes me want to remain fat. Stating that I know my levels and how to keep them at acceptable levels is treated as a bad thing. So, great, I'll fuck my head and mental health by losing weight to appease the likes of you and such comments.

My original point stands - it's not just about food and exercise.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Almost all of the obese adults will suffer with non-alcohol fatty liver disease. Morbidly obese adults (BMI 40+) will die 8-10 years prematurely."

Stuff and nonsense... average lifespan is pushing 20 years longer than it was 50 years ago. So what number is the 8 to 10 years subtracted from?

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By *s ParisWoman
over a year ago

My Dungeon Room

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The government doesn’t ‘need’ to do anything.

The people don’t ‘need’ to be educated.

They just have to realise the importance of actually taking some responsibility for their actions.

Neolithic man understood that if he ate too little he got very thin and then died and if he ate too much he got very fat and then died.

Nobody needs to overcomplicate this issue with the science. Balance your food intake with your activity and you’ll be fine. There is no such thing as fat and healthy either!

For the people complaining that this thread is fat-bashing, it’s very unlikely to do more harm than years of overeating and under-exercising.

I broadly agree with you but people do need to be educated.

I wouldn't trust a fair % of people in Britain to find their way out of a telephone box far less trust them to educate themselves on anything

My experience is that education about food/exercise/nutrition/physiology has very little to do with it.

The healthcare profession being a case in point. The full spectrum exists. Some of the doctors, nurses and even dietitians I’ve seen have been absolutely colossal."

I don't know your experience but education always helps.

I'm not saying education would change it overnight but without the government stepping in its left in the hands of parents.

Kids have to learn it from somewhere personally I trust schools more than parents to deliver that or any message.

Look at the replies here, people are blaming everyone but themselves.

I genuinely am worried at the mentality being promoted in this country.

Nothing seems to be unacceptable these days and taking away kids understanding of consequences which they are taking into adulthood with them.

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By *radleywigginsMan
over a year ago

northwest

"Almost all of the obese adults will suffer with non-alcohol fatty liver disease. Morbidly obese adults (BMI 40+) will die 8-10 years prematurely.

Stuff and nonsense... average lifespan is pushing 20 years longer than it was 50 years ago. So what number is the 8 to 10 years subtracted from? "

Fucking hell!!

Intensive care units? Antibiotics? Chemotherapy?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OP, I know this one, unusually, is a serious thread topic but but it will turn into an attack on fat people like me.

Fat isn't just about food and exercise. We have to change our relationship with the calories we take in.

I'm what some would call fat as well. Far from obese but a little overweight.

Don't let it bother you and don't take comments personally

I bet your BMI is higher than you think and you're more overweight than you think.

I classified as obese by my BMI and i do not look it.

It's due to the prevalence of overweight and obesity.On the other hand, the fact that most people don't know their BMI, and don't understand it, may just be evidence that BMI is a poor measure...

BMI is a poor measure, having your body fat percentage measured is a much more accurate representation

It's also well known that bmi has limitations...nhs website

"Limitations of the BMI

Your BMI can tell you if you're carrying too much weight, but it cannot tell if you're carrying too much fat.

The BMI cannot tell the difference between excess fat, muscle, or bone.

The adult BMI does not take into account age, gender or muscle mass.

This means:

very muscular adults and athletes may be classed "overweight" or "obese" even though their body fat is low

adults who lose muscle as they get older may fall in the "healthy weight" range even though they may be carrying excess fat"

Surely people are able to tell if they are muscular or fat and whether they need to be concerned by their bmi???

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"What happened in Wall-E?

Fat people sat in floating chairs and didn’t move, just got everything done for them, while they just ate and drank.

That’s my favourite sexual fantasy

That and mean feeding you a Victoria Sponge.

That’s a standard Tuesday night for us "

See you next Tuesday.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Almost all of the obese adults will suffer with non-alcohol fatty liver disease. Morbidly obese adults (BMI 40+) will die 8-10 years prematurely.

Stuff and nonsense... average lifespan is pushing 20 years longer than it was 50 years ago. So what number is the 8 to 10 years subtracted from? "

Tell NICE it's stuff and nonsense then. They get evidence from rigorous research.

In the meantime, the 8-10 years would be compared to someone who wasn't obese.

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

"Almost all of the obese adults will suffer with non-alcohol fatty liver disease. Morbidly obese adults (BMI 40+) will die 8-10 years prematurely.

Stuff and nonsense... average lifespan is pushing 20 years longer than it was 50 years ago. So what number is the 8 to 10 years subtracted from?

Fucking hell!!

Intensive care units? Antibiotics? Chemotherapy? "

Stents , heart medications , specialist maternity units , immunization , mri scanners , etc etc......

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"The government doesn’t ‘need’ to do anything.

The people don’t ‘need’ to be educated.

They just have to realise the importance of actually taking some responsibility for their actions.

Neolithic man understood that if he ate too little he got very thin and then died and if he ate too much he got very fat and then died.

Nobody needs to overcomplicate this issue with the science. Balance your food intake with your activity and you’ll be fine. There is no such thing as fat and healthy either!

For the people complaining that this thread is fat-bashing, it’s very unlikely to do more harm than years of overeating and under-exercising.

I broadly agree with you but people do need to be educated.

I wouldn't trust a fair % of people in Britain to find their way out of a telephone box far less trust them to educate themselves on anything

My experience is that education about food/exercise/nutrition/physiology has very little to do with it.

The healthcare profession being a case in point. The full spectrum exists. Some of the doctors, nurses and even dietitians I’ve seen have been absolutely colossal.

I don't know your experience but education always helps.

I'm not saying education would change it overnight but without the government stepping in its left in the hands of parents.

Kids have to learn it from somewhere personally I trust schools more than parents to deliver that or any message.

Look at the replies here, people are blaming everyone but themselves.

I genuinely am worried at the mentality being promoted in this country.

Nothing seems to be unacceptable these days and taking away kids understanding of consequences which they are taking into adulthood with them."

Your reading of the comments is different to mine. I see people taking their own blame.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OP, I know this one, unusually, is a serious thread topic but but it will turn into an attack on fat people like me.

Fat isn't just about food and exercise. We have to change our relationship with the calories we take in.

I'm what some would call fat as well. Far from obese but a little overweight.

Don't let it bother you and don't take comments personally

I bet your BMI is higher than you think and you're more overweight than you think.

I classified as obese by my BMI and i do not look it.

It's due to the prevalence of overweight and obesity.On the other hand, the fact that most people don't know their BMI, and don't understand it, may just be evidence that BMI is a poor measure...

BMI is a poor measure, having your body fat percentage measured is a much more accurate representation

It's also well known that bmi has limitations...nhs website

"Limitations of the BMI

Your BMI can tell you if you're carrying too much weight, but it cannot tell if you're carrying too much fat.

The BMI cannot tell the difference between excess fat, muscle, or bone.

The adult BMI does not take into account age, gender or muscle mass.

This means:

very muscular adults and athletes may be classed "overweight" or "obese" even though their body fat is low

adults who lose muscle as they get older may fall in the "healthy weight" range even though they may be carrying excess fat"

Surely people are able to tell if they are muscular or fat and whether they need to be concerned by their bmi???

I said as much in a couple of sentences

but thanks for validating it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Almost all of the obese adults will suffer with non-alcohol fatty liver disease. Morbidly obese adults (BMI 40+) will die 8-10 years prematurely.

Stuff and nonsense... average lifespan is pushing 20 years longer than it was 50 years ago. So what number is the 8 to 10 years subtracted from?

Fucking hell!!

Intensive care units? Antibiotics? Chemotherapy? "

Along side safer work environments, healthier diet, cleaner air...

If life spans keep increasing and healthier people keep multiplying fab will need a 3 digit field for upper age limit.

So again what number do you start with before subtracting the 8 to 10 years.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OP, I know this one, unusually, is a serious thread topic but but it will turn into an attack on fat people like me.

Fat isn't just about food and exercise. We have to change our relationship with the calories we take in.

I'm what some would call fat as well. Far from obese but a little overweight.

Don't let it bother you and don't take comments personally

I bet your BMI is higher than you think and you're more overweight than you think.

I classified as obese by my BMI and i do not look it.

It's due to the prevalence of overweight and obesity.On the other hand, the fact that most people don't know their BMI, and don't understand it, may just be evidence that BMI is a poor measure...

BMI is a poor measure, having your body fat percentage measured is a much more accurate representation

It's also well known that bmi has limitations...nhs website

"Limitations of the BMI

Your BMI can tell you if you're carrying too much weight, but it cannot tell if you're carrying too much fat.

The BMI cannot tell the difference between excess fat, muscle, or bone.

The adult BMI does not take into account age, gender or muscle mass.

This means:

very muscular adults and athletes may be classed "overweight" or "obese" even though their body fat is low

adults who lose muscle as they get older may fall in the "healthy weight" range even though they may be carrying excess fat"

Surely people are able to tell if they are muscular or fat and whether they need to be concerned by their bmi???

I said as much in a couple of sentences

but thanks for validating it

I'll try to use less words and be original in my next post.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes, it is a culture thing with fast food and not counting calories.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OP, I know this one, unusually, is a serious thread topic but but it will turn into an attack on fat people like me.

Fat isn't just about food and exercise. We have to change our relationship with the calories we take in.

I'm what some would call fat as well. Far from obese but a little overweight.

Don't let it bother you and don't take comments personally

I bet your BMI is higher than you think and you're more overweight than you think.

I classified as obese by my BMI and i do not look it.

It's due to the prevalence of overweight and obesity.On the other hand, the fact that most people don't know their BMI, and don't understand it, may just be evidence that BMI is a poor measure...

BMI is a poor measure, having your body fat percentage measured is a much more accurate representation

It's also well known that bmi has limitations...nhs website

"Limitations of the BMI

Your BMI can tell you if you're carrying too much weight, but it cannot tell if you're carrying too much fat.

The BMI cannot tell the difference between excess fat, muscle, or bone.

The adult BMI does not take into account age, gender or muscle mass.

This means:

very muscular adults and athletes may be classed "overweight" or "obese" even though their body fat is low

adults who lose muscle as they get older may fall in the "healthy weight" range even though they may be carrying excess fat"

Surely people are able to tell if they are muscular or fat and whether they need to be concerned by their bmi???

I said as much in a couple of sentences

but thanks for validating it

I'll try to use less words and be original in my next post. "

Noooo

. Quoting NHS Choice is a good thing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The government doesn’t ‘need’ to do anything.

The people don’t ‘need’ to be educated.

They just have to realise the importance of actually taking some responsibility for their actions.

Neolithic man understood that if he ate too little he got very thin and then died and if he ate too much he got very fat and then died.

Nobody needs to overcomplicate this issue with the science. Balance your food intake with your activity and you’ll be fine. There is no such thing as fat and healthy either!

For the people complaining that this thread is fat-bashing, it’s very unlikely to do more harm than years of overeating and under-exercising.

I broadly agree with you but people do need to be educated.

I wouldn't trust a fair % of people in Britain to find their way out of a telephone box far less trust them to educate themselves on anything

My experience is that education about food/exercise/nutrition/physiology has very little to do with it.

The healthcare profession being a case in point. The full spectrum exists. Some of the doctors, nurses and even dietitians I’ve seen have been absolutely colossal.

I don't know your experience but education always helps.

I'm not saying education would change it overnight but without the government stepping in its left in the hands of parents.

Kids have to learn it from somewhere personally I trust schools more than parents to deliver that or any message.

Look at the replies here, people are blaming everyone but themselves.

I genuinely am worried at the mentality being promoted in this country.

Nothing seems to be unacceptable these days and taking away kids understanding of consequences which they are taking into adulthood with them.

Your reading of the comments is different to mine. I see people taking their own blame."

At the beginning the food industry was to blame for some.

That's like blaming Audi for crashing your car!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Almost all of the obese adults will suffer with non-alcohol fatty liver disease. Morbidly obese adults (BMI 40+) will die 8-10 years prematurely.

Stuff and nonsense... average lifespan is pushing 20 years longer than it was 50 years ago. So what number is the 8 to 10 years subtracted from?

Fucking hell!!

Intensive care units? Antibiotics? Chemotherapy?

Along side safer work environments, healthier diet, cleaner air...

If life spans keep increasing and healthier people keep multiplying fab will need a 3 digit field for upper age limit.

So again what number do you start with before subtracting the 8 to 10 years."

Ffs

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By *s ParisWoman
over a year ago

My Dungeon Room

I'm obese not afraid to say it not ashamed to show it. In my case unfortunately I married a feeder Many years ago that was abusive it was eat or get beaten went on for years and then I got rid of him, started dropping my weight for me. It's not been easy my thyroid doesn't work at all and I have food allergies, I'm not a strain on the health service I pay for my own health care when needed. And I am working hard to lose my weight. Just because someone is obese don't judge them on why they are that way perhaps they have a difficult life with depression you just don't know. I'm sure they'd appreciate it if people treated them as a human being with feelings. It seems ok for a slim skinny fit person to go about life and nothing is said about them and why? It's because if you don't fit a certain picture in peoples mindsets you don't fit in society or belong. People come In all shapes and sizes but please don't put down those that are obese just because you don't like how they look as often they are just as equally uncomfortable to be around you as well being a slim fit or skinny person. I find myself personally, when it comes to meets I'll go for a heavier guy every time as they are nicer and less judgemental

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes, it is a culture thing with fast food and not counting calories."

You don't need to count calories.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a fattie myself, yes it’s out of control and something needs to be done.

As an individual I’m doing something about my bad ways, now eating healthy and losing weight and more people should follow. You look around your local town and the majority of people are overweight.

I’m not sure what can be done other than educate people and encourage them to eat healthy and lose weight, but if someone doesn’t want to they aren’t going to are they?

Some will say fast food, food delivery, cheap junk food & expensive healthy food is to blame but I think that’s bullshit and you can only blame yourself for your choices. I wouldn’t blame anyone but myself, and unless someone has a medical condition, or mental health, then their obesity is their own doing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What happened in Wall-E?

Fat people sat in floating chairs and didn’t move, just got everything done for them, while they just ate and drank.

That’s my favourite sexual fantasy

That and mean feeding you a Victoria Sponge.

That’s a standard Tuesday night for us

See you next Tuesday. "

C.U. Next Tuesday

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By *heCrowAndButterflyCouple
over a year ago

Rushden

"OP, I know this one, unusually, is a serious thread topic but but it will turn into an attack on fat people like me.

Fat isn't just about food and exercise. We have to change our relationship with the calories we take in.

I'm what some would call fat as well. Far from obese but a little overweight.

Don't let it bother you and don't take comments personally

I bet your BMI is higher than you think and you're more overweight than you think.

I classified as obese by my BMI and i do not look it.

It's due to the prevalence of overweight and obesity.On the other hand, the fact that most people don't know their BMI, and don't understand it, may just be evidence that BMI is a poor measure...

BMI is a poor measure, having your body fat percentage measured is a much more accurate representation

It's also well known that bmi has limitations...nhs website

"Limitations of the BMI

Your BMI can tell you if you're carrying too much weight, but it cannot tell if you're carrying too much fat.

The BMI cannot tell the difference between excess fat, muscle, or bone.

The adult BMI does not take into account age, gender or muscle mass.

This means:

very muscular adults and athletes may be classed "overweight" or "obese" even though their body fat is low

adults who lose muscle as they get older may fall in the "healthy weight" range even though they may be carrying excess fat"

Surely people are able to tell if they are muscular or fat and whether they need to be concerned by their bmi???

Erm didn't you read what I said I said I know I'm obese, not happy about it but little I can do about it at the present time, was in no way trying to say I'm obese cause I have muscles or don't, just trying to state that it's crazy that every few months in the papers etc it crops up again "overweight Britain" and the use BMI every single time when a you write rightly say it does not take into account bone density, muscle mass or even people who have sadly lost limbs.

As I said in not using bmi is rubbish as an excuse for my situation, as every measure known to man, im obese. Was saying its a flawed measure that allows the media to sensationalise it, is there a problem in the UK definitely yes, no arguement there.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"What happened in Wall-E?

Fat people sat in floating chairs and didn’t move, just got everything done for them, while they just ate and drank.

That’s my favourite sexual fantasy

That and mean feeding you a Victoria Sponge.

That’s a standard Tuesday night for us

See you next Tuesday.

C.U. Next Tuesday"

Kind regards X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes, it is a culture thing with fast food and not counting calories.

You don't need to count calories. "
It depends, men 2500 and women 2000kcal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a fattie myself, yes it’s out of control and something needs to be done.

I’m not sure what can be done other than educate people and encourage them to eat healthy and lose weight, but if someone doesn’t want to they aren’t going to are they?

Obesity is more prevalent amongst those in deprived areas, and lower educational levels, so knowledge comes into it, and (as another poster pointed out) finances - the healthier food is often more expensive than processed foods.

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By *radleywigginsMan
over a year ago

northwest

"I'm obese not afraid to say it not ashamed to show it. In my case unfortunately I married a feeder Many years ago that was abusive it was eat or get beaten went on for years and then I got rid of him, started dropping my weight for me. It's not been easy my thyroid doesn't work at all and I have food allergies, I'm not a strain on the health service I pay for my own health care when needed. And I am working hard to lose my weight. Just because someone is obese don't judge them on why they are that way perhaps they have a difficult life with depression you just don't know. I'm sure they'd appreciate it if people treated them as a human being with feelings. It seems ok for a slim skinny fit person to go about life and nothing is said about them and why? It's because if you don't fit a certain picture in peoples mindsets you don't fit in society or belong. People come In all shapes and sizes but please don't put down those that are obese just because you don't like how they look as often they are just as equally uncomfortable to be around you as well being a slim fit or skinny person. I find myself personally, when it comes to meets I'll go for a heavier guy every time as they are nicer and less judgemental"

Sorry to hear about your trouble.

Obese people are not being ‘put down’, but hopefully this forum thread is addressing some of the issues which cause it. Regardless of the cause the facts remain the same, and whilst you clearly were forced into that situation most are not.

Again, I sympathise with the awful situation you were in and I’m delighted you’re out of it now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OP, I know this one, unusually, is a serious thread topic but but it will turn into an attack on fat people like me.

Fat isn't just about food and exercise. We have to change our relationship with the calories we take in.

I'm what some would call fat as well. Far from obese but a little overweight.

Don't let it bother you and don't take comments personally

I bet your BMI is higher than you think and you're more overweight than you think.

I classified as obese by my BMI and i do not look it.

It's due to the prevalence of overweight and obesity.On the other hand, the fact that most people don't know their BMI, and don't understand it, may just be evidence that BMI is a poor measure...

BMI is a poor measure, having your body fat percentage measured is a much more accurate representation

It's also well known that bmi has limitations...nhs website

"Limitations of the BMI

Your BMI can tell you if you're carrying too much weight, but it cannot tell if you're carrying too much fat.

The BMI cannot tell the difference between excess fat, muscle, or bone.

The adult BMI does not take into account age, gender or muscle mass.

This means:

very muscular adults and athletes may be classed "overweight" or "obese" even though their body fat is low

adults who lose muscle as they get older may fall in the "healthy weight" range even though they may be carrying excess fat"

Surely people are able to tell if they are muscular or fat and whether they need to be concerned by their bmi???

What would you suggest they use as a measure and an indicator? I understand bmi and waist measurement to be the simplest of indicators?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’m only 24 but as a kid I’d play outside for hours and hours and now kids stay inside no matter the weather, too many screens, tablets, PlayStations. There’s your problem right there.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

As a fattie myself, yes it’s out of control and something needs to be done.

I’m not sure what can be done other than educate people and encourage them to eat healthy and lose weight, but if someone doesn’t want to they aren’t going to are they?

Also, look at what's donated to food banks. Lots f people don't have the means to cook. They might have a microwave but who really cooks with one?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a fattie myself, yes it’s out of control and something needs to be done.

I’m not sure what can be done other than educate people and encourage them to eat healthy and lose weight, but if someone doesn’t want to they aren’t going to are they?

Vegetables are not more expensive than processed food. It's perfectly possible to eat healthily on a budget. I know. I do it. That's where education comes in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes, it is a culture thing with fast food and not counting calories.

You don't need to count calories. It depends, men 2500 and women 2000kcal."

You don't need to count calories to lose weight. The first step is to ditch food and drink that has little to no nutritional value. That's not to say you cannot have a treat/cheat.

Actually a better first step would be to up i take of water. Sometimes we eat cos we're thirsty.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

It's out of control to the extent that many would prefer to be lighter but don't manage to achieve it and the trajectory is for worse statistics in future.

It's a really complex issue.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a fattie myself, yes it’s out of control and something needs to be done.

I’m not sure what can be done other than educate people and encourage them to eat healthy and lose weight, but if someone doesn’t want to they aren’t going to are they?

Vegetables are not more expensive than processed food. It's perfectly possible to eat healthily on a budget. I know. I do it. That's where education comes in."

Access to food factors in... EG local shops are usually more expensive than out of town retailers. A cheap pizza versus meat, what price wins out?

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over a year ago

As a fattie myself, yes it’s out of control and something needs to be done.

I’m not sure what can be done other than educate people and encourage them to eat healthy and lose weight, but if someone doesn’t want to they aren’t going to are they?

Vegetables are not more expensive than processed food. It's perfectly possible to eat healthily on a budget. I know. I do it. That's where education comes in."

I agree.

And supermarkets sell wonky veg for cheaper so you can definitely get cheap healthy food.

There is no need for fancy stuff, the basics did our grandparents well so they can do us well too.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

As a fattie myself, yes it’s out of control and something needs to be done.

I’m not sure what can be done other than educate people and encourage them to eat healthy and lose weight, but if someone doesn’t want to they aren’t going to are they?

Well that’s a loads of bollocks, fruit and veg are the cheapest foods you can get, I shop on a budget and it’s the most cost effective way for me. As for education, everyone in the country knows what is good and bad for you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A massive choice of food available 24/7 - doesn’t really help the obesity issue.

Anything you desire can be purchased pretty much around the clock, you don’t even have to move off your arse, click the app and get it delivered to the door.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a fattie myself, yes it’s out of control and something needs to be done.

I’m not sure what can be done other than educate people and encourage them to eat healthy and lose weight, but if someone doesn’t want to they aren’t going to are they?

Vegetables are not more expensive than processed food. It's perfectly possible to eat healthily on a budget. I know. I do it. That's where education comes in."

I think the fact processed foods last longer come into play.

I'm disagree fresh fruit and veg cost similar to the processed stuff. The veg maybe but when you add the chicken or whatever is more expensive

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Have you ever put weight on? Did it make you feel crap? Genuine question, it sounds snippy sorry.

When I gain weight I feel crap so end up eating more and gain more. Before you know it a stone has gone on and you feel even worse.

Invisible is good. Donuts don't take the piss and they taste nice. Another stone on.... Now it would take 8 months of eating lettuce to get to a reasonable weight. Donuts win. "

I can completely understand the vicious circle you described. I was about 50lb overweight about 9 years ago.

I was caught in that loop but one day just thought, this is only going one way unless I change something, so I did. It was hard but I lost the weight over six months. I didn't count calories, I didn't exercise, I just didn't eat as much and completely cut out junk.

I was never overweight as a child. I ate my fair share of crap but I was always active.

As an adult I started comfort eating. It's fucking insidious and a really hard habit to break.

Over the last six months I've put more than a stone back on. Comfort eating again and I feel rubbish but I'm working on breaking the habit again.

Personally I feel the only way to lose weight is if a deep desire to want to comes from within. Anything less than that is doomed to failure.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"A massive choice of food available 24/7 - doesn’t really help the obesity issue.

Anything you desire can be purchased pretty much around the clock, you don’t even have to move off your arse, click the app and get it delivered to the door.

Again it comes down to people taking responsibility for there own actions, it’s easy to blame other factors.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a fattie myself, yes it’s out of control and something needs to be done.

I’m not sure what can be done other than educate people and encourage them to eat healthy and lose weight, but if someone doesn’t want to they aren’t going to are they?

Fruit and veg do not provide your macronutrients (apart from carbs).

No, not everybody knows/understands nutrition.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a fattie myself, yes it’s out of control and something needs to be done.

I’m not sure what can be done other than educate people and encourage them to eat healthy and lose weight, but if someone doesn’t want to they aren’t going to are they?

It's not bollocks at all.

Look at life expectancy levels in poorer areas. Socioeconomic levels play a part in almost every part of our lives and only somebody from a wealthy area would say that's bollocks.

Shockingly ill informed post

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A massive choice of food available 24/7 - doesn’t really help the obesity issue.

Anything you desire can be purchased pretty much around the clock, you don’t even have to move off your arse, click the app and get it delivered to the door.

Again it comes down to people taking responsibility for there own actions, it’s easy to blame other factors."

Other factors ARE relevant.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We have absolutely no understanding of food in general. One tubby friend of mine was giving up cola and I saw him drinking some other soda and I said I thought you were giving that shit up and he said no I'm giving up cola and I told him it's the same shit and he couldn't get his head around it. Why does anyone drink over a litre of soda daily? Our dinners are microwaved. I dunno how many people have told me they "don't like water" how the fuck can you not like water? I'd say 90% of people don't know what a calorie actually is. I'd say every other person couldn't tell me a carb based food over a fat based food. I was eating nuts in work and one guy said "getting all the protein in?" and I said no I'm getting fat in and he said there's no fat in nuts man. Nutrition and health needs to be a compulsory school subject.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

The nation was healthiest during the war and after.

Let's bring back rationing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A massive choice of food available 24/7 - doesn’t really help the obesity issue.

Anything you desire can be purchased pretty much around the clock, you don’t even have to move off your arse, click the app and get it delivered to the door.

Again it comes down to people taking responsibility for there own actions, it’s easy to blame other factors."

Errrr..... if some people took responsibility for their own actions we wouldn’t be having this discussion, would we?

Other factors have certainly played a part in the rise of obesity, I noted just one example.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The nation was healthiest during the war and after.

Let's bring back rationing.

this was going to be my next comment - you beat me to it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We have absolutely no understanding of food in general. One tubby friend of mine was giving up cola and I saw him drinking some other soda and I said I thought you were giving that shit up and he said no I'm giving up cola and I told him it's the same shit and he couldn't get his head around it. Why does anyone drink over a litre of soda daily? Our dinners are microwaved. I dunno how many people have told me they "don't like water" how the fuck can you not like water? I'd say 90% of people don't know what a calorie actually is. I'd say every other person couldn't tell me a carb based food over a fat based food. I was eating nuts in work and one guy said "getting all the protein in?" and I said no I'm getting fat in and he said there's no fat in nuts man. Nutrition and health needs to be a compulsory school subject. "

I giggled at the "no fat in nuts"... Sorry

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"A massive choice of food available 24/7 - doesn’t really help the obesity issue.

Anything you desire can be purchased pretty much around the clock, you don’t even have to move off your arse, click the app and get it delivered to the door.

Again it comes down to people taking responsibility for there own actions, it’s easy to blame other factors.

Other factors ARE relevant."

Relevant if you’ve got no will power.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The nation was healthiest during the war and after.

Let's bring back rationing.

The time of real food

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Haha great bit about the fat bloke cutting out cola, had similar with a very obese workmate when I asked if he was coming for a bacon sandwich and he said “no I’ve guy bread out of my diet” then aggressively followed it up with “and it’s working” then proceeded to eat a massive tub of pasta with sausages

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A massive choice of food available 24/7 - doesn’t really help the obesity issue.

Anything you desire can be purchased pretty much around the clock, you don’t even have to move off your arse, click the app and get it delivered to the door.

Again it comes down to people taking responsibility for there own actions, it’s easy to blame other factors."

I agree with that but people don't know what they don't know...

There are people in Glasgow and I assume every major city in the country were families for 2/3/4 generations haven't worked, haven't been bothered about schooling their kids and simply exist.

They don't live they exist, day to day with no aims ambitions or goals.

These people will not feed their kids with a balanced diet. Why prepare vegmwhen you can microwave something for 30 seconds?

Education, life expectancy, opportunities and quality of life are almost always linked to the postcode you grew up in.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

As a fattie myself, yes it’s out of control and something needs to be done.

I’m not sure what can be done other than educate people and encourage them to eat healthy and lose weight, but if someone doesn’t want to they aren’t going to are they?

It's not bollocks at all.

Look at life expectancy levels in poorer areas. Socioeconomic levels play a part in almost every part of our lives and only somebody from a wealthy area would say that's bollocks.

Shockingly ill informed post "

I was talking about processed foods being cheaper than fruit and veg, which is bollocks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A massive choice of food available 24/7 - doesn’t really help the obesity issue.

Anything you desire can be purchased pretty much around the clock, you don’t even have to move off your arse, click the app and get it delivered to the door.

Again it comes down to people taking responsibility for there own actions, it’s easy to blame other factors.

Other factors ARE relevant.

Relevant if you’ve got no will power."

Poorly educated

Socioeconomically deprived

No access to cheaper food retailers

Shift work

Hormonal imbalances

Mental health issues

... Just a few factors outside of choice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a fattie myself, yes it’s out of control and something needs to be done.

I’m not sure what can be done other than educate people and encourage them to eat healthy and lose weight, but if someone doesn’t want to they aren’t going to are they?

It's not bollocks at all.

Look at life expectancy levels in poorer areas. Socioeconomic levels play a part in almost every part of our lives and only somebody from a wealthy area would say that's bollocks.

Shockingly ill informed post

I was talking about processed foods being cheaper than fruit and veg, which is bollocks. "

No it's not.

Have,you ever shopped for a family?

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

As a fattie myself, yes it’s out of control and something needs to be done.

I’m not sure what can be done other than educate people and encourage them to eat healthy and lose weight, but if someone doesn’t want to they aren’t going to are they?

Fruit and veg do not provide your macronutrients (apart from carbs).

No, not everybody knows/understands nutrition.

No they don’t , but avocados and nuts provide good fats . Beans and pulses provide protein . And as you say , most fruit and veg contains carbohydrates .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a fattie myself, yes it’s out of control and something needs to be done.

I’m not sure what can be done other than educate people and encourage them to eat healthy and lose weight, but if someone doesn’t want to they aren’t going to are they?

It's not bollocks at all.

Look at life expectancy levels in poorer areas. Socioeconomic levels play a part in almost every part of our lives and only somebody from a wealthy area would say that's bollocks.

Shockingly ill informed post

I was talking about processed foods being cheaper than fruit and veg, which is bollocks. "

Now you're putting words in my mouth .

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"A massive choice of food available 24/7 - doesn’t really help the obesity issue.

Anything you desire can be purchased pretty much around the clock, you don’t even have to move off your arse, click the app and get it delivered to the door.

Again it comes down to people taking responsibility for there own actions, it’s easy to blame other factors.

Other factors ARE relevant.

Relevant if you’ve got no will power."

So we're back to willpower. I realise my posts are just that of a weak-willed fatty but I have set out some of the other factors for me, which I suspect will apply to some others.

Unless I'm out I never eat, or drink anything other than water, after 9pm. I just don't do midnight snacks and never crave food or sugary drinks once I have stopped eating for the day. I never drink alcohol alone and only have fruit juice or fizzy pop as a treat when I'm out occasionally. My usual treat would be fizzy water instead of tap water. It's not just a matter of will.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

As a fattie myself, yes it’s out of control and something needs to be done.

I’m not sure what can be done other than educate people and encourage them to eat healthy and lose weight, but if someone doesn’t want to they aren’t going to are they?

It's not bollocks at all.

Look at life expectancy levels in poorer areas. Socioeconomic levels play a part in almost every part of our lives and only somebody from a wealthy area would say that's bollocks.

Shockingly ill informed post

I was talking about processed foods being cheaper than fruit and veg, which is bollocks.

No it's not.

Have,you ever shopped for a family?"

Where do you shop where fruit and veg is more expensive than ready meals, you need to plan your meals better for the week !!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a fattie myself, yes it’s out of control and something needs to be done.

I’m not sure what can be done other than educate people and encourage them to eat healthy and lose weight, but if someone doesn’t want to they aren’t going to are they?

Fruit and veg do not provide your macronutrients (apart from carbs).

No, not everybody knows/understands nutrition.

No they don’t , but avocados and nuts provide good fats . Beans and pulses provide protein . And as you say , most fruit and veg contains carbohydrates ."

And then you're hoping the costs.

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By *bwitchedWoman
over a year ago

Batley, West Yorkshire

"It’s something I don’t understand, a lot of my family are obese, some morbidly obese and I just don’t get why they let thereselves get like it. I just see it as being weak willed, maybe that’s harsh, but my brothers is 9 stone heavier than me and he’s 2 inches shorter."

I'm so glad you don't understand it. It's good that you have that sense of self worth so strong that you take pride in your appearance. And I mean that genuinely. I wish I had that.

For me, as well as learning my mum's toxic relationship with food from an early age, I was also ingrained with a sense that I was never good enough, pretty enough, clever enough etc etc to be worth anything. Some irony to that considering I was a very high achiever academically in school and musically. I think it was my parents' attempt at keeping me humble despite my talents, but unfortunately it went too far.

So if i'm never going to be good enough whatever i do, why should i care what I look like? Whether I'm fit? Whether I'm healthy? For years I didn't care because I didn't feel like i was worth it.

Then when I did start to care the task of losing weight was daunting. I had (have!) So much weight to lose it will take years. For a long time i couldn't face it because I didn't want to start and fail and so went into denial - my husband loves me as I am regardless, my friends and family are the same so its all good, right?

November 2016 something in my head clicked and I started with slimming world. I lost 8 stone in 12 months and had 6 stone to go to my target weight.

Then I got promoted at work and the change in routine, increased stress levels etc mean I have put 4 stone back on since November last year because I haven't been making the time to exercise, prepare healthy food and go and get weighed every week.

Back on the food wagon since the beginning of july And I've lost 9.5lbs in my first 2 weeks back on plan with the love and support of my amazing hubby, but it's hard. All i do is work, walk and prepare food, that's all there is to life. I work so hard and so many hours that i have to make a determined point of leaving work at a reasonable time regardless of my workload to ensure that i get in 10000 steps a day and that we have a healthy dinner and that breakfast and lunch for the following day is ready.

And therein lies the problem I think for so many people.

Have you ever read a women's mag? If you're thin you're anorexic, if you're "normal" I.e size 8-12 you're fat and pity help you if you're any bigger. Pictures of celebrities are airbrushed even when there was nothing wrong with the original picture. That's why so many women have hang ups about mummy tummies and c-section scars and stretch marks and carrying their baby weight for more than a week after they've just given birth to triplets ffs. We're bombarded by so mamy conflicting messages every day that It gets to the point where you think if nothing you do is ever going to be good enough then you might as well just not bother so pass the cake!

Then we all work so many hours actually having the time to prep food from scratch and exercise is hard to find.

Also the money becomes a factor. Turkey twizzlers and a bag of chips are a hell of a lot cheaper than chicken breasts and potatoes. If you're a family on a budget I can see it being hard in the current climate to be able to afford the fresh meat and veg that are the basics of a healthy diet.

We went to Aldi today and spent £40 just on fruit, salad and veg, there was very little else in the basket and that will only just last the week. The last trip to the butcher to get meat was nearly £60, admittedly that has lasted us nearly 3 weeks and the quality is vastly better than anything we could get in a supermarket but if you're feeding a family of 4 it's not a cheap way to eat.

There need to be changes in the food industry - fresh meat and veg need to be the cheaper options and junk food the more expensive. And you should be able to access the fruit and veg without having to walk through aisle after aisle packed with sweets, biscuits, crisps etc

There needs to be a change in the media so that body shaming becomes unacceptable, it's not doing anyone any favours and only adds to the problems we have with eating disorders and obesity.

There also needs to be a change in the medical profession. People with anorexia or bulimia are recognised as having an eating disorder and rightfully get lots of support to overcome that. People who are fat are just viewed as greedy and lazy in most people's eyes. And i'm sure in some cases that will be true. But not in all. Sometimes there is an underlying medical issue - maybe a physical one, maybe a mental one. And if there is an underlying issue then that person needs support instead of just being told "You need to lose weight". Plenty of us know we need to lose weight and we understand the concept of "eat less, move more", it ain't rocket science after all, but getting our heads around the psychological challenges that lurk behind obesity can be a lot more difficult. I'm fortunate that with my husband, slimming world group and even Fab friends who offer to meet up just for walks on an evening I have a great support network that i am incredibly grateful for, but it's still a fight every single day to stay on plan and sliding back would be so easy.

Any way I have rambled on enough considering i don't usually stick my head up over the parapet lol

Night all x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's the same with salads. A girl I know cuts what looks like half a block of cheese into hers and covers it in salad cream. Like if she had an education in nutrition she'd lose weight easier. If I told her to eat less cheese and salad cream she'd probably be still over eating something else without knowing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a fattie myself, yes it’s out of control and something needs to be done.

I’m not sure what can be done other than educate people and encourage them to eat healthy and lose weight, but if someone doesn’t want to they aren’t going to are they?

Fruit and veg do not provide your macronutrients (apart from carbs).

No, not everybody knows/understands nutrition.

No they don’t , but avocados and nuts provide good fats . Beans and pulses provide protein . And as you say , most fruit and veg contains carbohydrates .

And then you're hoping the costs."

Upping.

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By *radleywigginsMan
over a year ago

northwest

Almost every post here is about food. The types, the quantities, the costs and the relative nutritional values.

We actually have targets for exercise too. Forget your 10000 steps nonsense. Everybody is supposed to be doing 30 mins of exercise 5 times a week.

If you do that and apply a modicum of restraint with food it’s very difficult to be obese.

Rather than education on nutrition and food, I believe that people need role models which encourage them to actually enjoy a varied outdoor healthy lifestyle and see exercise as advantageous and fun instead of punitive.

Personal trainers and gyms in the main are unnecessary. There’s a massive world out there, incorporate that exercise into your daily routine and learn how to not to resent it, but enjoy it.

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