FabSwingers.com forum: Why I wear a poppy

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Why do I wear a poppy?

I’ll tell you if I may,

Because I believe remembrance is... not only for one day.

I wear it for the fallen, and for those falling still

For those who come back broken in body or in will.

For the parents, spouses, siblings where bereavement takes its toll.

Whose pain will never leave them, It eats into their soul

For the wino on the corner, Of his old...life nothing’s left.

Now he wishes when in battle he had died a hero’s death.

For the lad who loved a kick-about in the park with all his mates,

But now his legs are held together with pins and metal plates

For the selfless men and women whose final journey home

Is in a Union flag-draped coffin on comrades’ shoulders borne.

For all those marching proudly In Remembrance Day parades

My poppy’s worn in gratitude for the sacrifice they made

xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

well said x

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Sentimental twaddle.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

P.S. I always contribute and buy a poppy.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I copied it by the way - don't know who actually wrote it x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

17 years in the Royal Navy amongst the many reasons I wear a poppy !

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By *andKCouple
over a year ago

Norfolk

went out today without my Poppy and felt embarassed that I didn't have it on my lapel - not much for us to give once a year is it?

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By *DSRMan
over a year ago

leicester

I won't diss anything because people died, but phhtttt!!!!!!!!!!!! War is not the answer yet we respect people for doing it! What a weird society we live in

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People died so that we can enjoy the freedoms we have, its my way of respecting them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

War is not the way forward but with out the peeps to stand and fight we would all fall under the sword xx i always buy a poppy and donate to many causes because some that come back do not come back whole xx

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

Bolton

"I won't diss anything because people died, but phhtttt!!!!!!!!!!!! War is not the answer yet we respect people for doing it! What a weird society we live in"

We respect people who fought and died for their country - the soldiers are not the people who decide to go to war generally in the first place, this is an inane statement! Z

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

agreed x

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"went out today without my Poppy and felt embarassed that I didn't have it on my lapel - not much for us to give once a year is it?"

surely it is the act of giving that matters, not the act of wearing?

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By *ikeC81Man
over a year ago

harrow

a couple of my great uncles died in ww1 it is the least i can do to recognise the suffering

The war commision is actually paying for both the graves to be looked after..

Ultimate Sacrifice

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By *lirty and dirtyCouple
over a year ago

ashford

"I won't diss anything because people died, but phhtttt!!!!!!!!!!!! War is not the answer yet we respect people for doing it! What a weird society we live in"

with due respect tho what is the answer?? my husband is a serving soldier who has been to afghan..we have friends who have died and many more who have lost limbs. are they winning a battle?...no..do they want to be there? no im guessing they dont...they joined to serve queen and country..i dont agree with them being there or with the war they are fighting BUT i have utmost respect for every one of them...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wear a poppy because I am happy to show my support for the armed forces, they do an amazing job, so that we have the freedom to chose to display the very emblem of our choice.

It is a symbol of respect for those that didn't make it.

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By *emima_puddlefuckCouple
over a year ago

hexham

"went out today without my Poppy and felt embarassed that I didn't have it on my lapel - not much for us to give once a year is it?

surely it is the act of giving that matters, not the act of wearing?"
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i buy,and my children buy them at school,but i no longer wear mine as i feel uncomfortable with the groups who have tried to hijack the wearing of the poppy such as the edl

i buy because the support for soldiers and ex soldiers is vital and needs to continue.

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By *DSRMan
over a year ago

leicester

"I won't diss anything because people died, but phhtttt!!!!!!!!!!!! War is not the answer yet we respect people for doing it! What a weird society we live in

well i don't so deal with it... but honestly, i respect them i just believe if you want togo to another country for your queen and kill people expect to be killed back

You now hate me, i except it... & so be it!

but it's the way i see things, sorry x

I mean no offence

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By *lirty and dirtyCouple
over a year ago

ashford

"I won't diss anything because people died, but phhtttt!!!!!!!!!!!! War is not the answer yet we respect people for doing it! What a weird society we live in

well i don't so deal with it... but honestly, i respect them i just believe if you want togo to another country for your queen and kill people expect to be killed back

You now hate me, i except it... & so be it!

but it's the way i see things, sorry x

I mean no offence"

firstly i dont hate anyone thats how wars start..

secondly..do we just let terrorists rule the world?

thirdly ..i dont have the answer i just thought you had.do you think i like being alone for 7 months at a time and trail my kid from one end of the world to the other..i dont but i support and respect my husbands choice.

fourth..you sleep sound in bed at night because of british forces.

im not getting into a row as we are all entitled to what we think BUT i personally think not to respect the dead who fought for you and me and our country is just plain rude and to admit it on a public forum wont do you any favours...just saying

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I won't diss anything because people died, but phhtttt!!!!!!!!!!!! War is not the answer yet we respect people for doing it! What a weird society we live in

well i don't so deal with it... but honestly, i respect them i just believe if you want togo to another country for your queen and kill people expect to be killed back

You now hate me, i except it... & so be it!

but it's the way i see things, sorry x

I mean no offence"

And with respect sir, you live in a country where you can own and voice an opinion because of the ultimate sacrifice of previous generations...

I wear my poppy with pride...

We shall remember them.

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By *DSRMan
over a year ago

leicester

"I won't diss anything because people died, but phhtttt!!!!!!!!!!!! War is not the answer yet we respect people for doing it! What a weird society we live in

well i don't so deal with it... but honestly, i respect them i just believe if you want togo to another country for your queen and kill people expect to be killed back

You now hate me, i except it... & so be it!

but it's the way i see things, sorry x

I mean no offence

firstly i dont hate anyone thats how wars start..

secondly..do we just let terrorists rule the world?

fourth..you sleep sound in bed at night because of british forces.

Well i am intieled to my belief systems thank you very much, and you have but only touched on a slightest part of them! I do respect the indervidgual currage and i do feel sorry for familys who are apart or worried, that although being the same issue isn't as direct as the original question! you see, i don't believe the war is needed, i don't believe in all this terrism stuff, infact i think ron paul's who ran for american office a few years ago was spot on wth tis subject, and the truth is we start the wars not the terrorists! But do we want to talk semantics? I dn't respect the need for a war and i would hope people that go to fight in these wars would research all possible reasons for war before fighting in them, although they don't, they just do what they are told.. So it's easy to lose a little respect for that reason, again though... i completely respect the currage and i completely feel sorry for any family who loses a loved one in any situation at all, ever!

like you said, i don't want an argument, but I am allowed my opinion... & my opinion does go alot further into the subject than i have just stated.

now lets end this topic? or atleast argue in private?

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By *lirty and dirtyCouple
over a year ago

ashford

"I won't diss anything because people died, but phhtttt!!!!!!!!!!!! War is not the answer yet we respect people for doing it! What a weird society we live in

well i don't so deal with it... but honestly, i respect them i just believe if you want togo to another country for your queen and kill people expect to be killed back

You now hate me, i except it... & so be it!

but it's the way i see things, sorry x

I mean no offence

And with respect sir, you live in a country where you can own and voice an opinion because of the ultimate sacrifice of previous generations...

I wear my poppy with pride...

We shall remember them."

Well said...we SHALL remember them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wear my poppy for ALL those who have fallen and shed blood in wars.

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By *adja_lazloCouple
over a year ago

Solihull

"I won't diss anything because people died, but phhtttt!!!!!!!!!!!! War is not the answer yet we respect people for doing it! What a weird society we live in

well i don't so deal with it... but honestly, i respect them i just believe if you want togo to another country for your queen and kill people expect to be killed back

You now hate me, i except it... & so be it!

but it's the way i see things, sorry x

I mean no offence

firstly i dont hate anyone thats how wars start..

secondly..do we just let terrorists rule the world?

fourth..you sleep sound in bed at night because of british forces.

like you said, i don't want an argument, but I am allowed my opinion... & my opinion does go alot further into the subject than i have just stated.

now lets end this topic? or atleast argue in private?"

er no, terrorist start wars

and wearing a poppy isnt the be all and end all for respect etc and showing you support what ever, its a fundraising enterprise so the RBL and others can maintain arboritums and other memorials all over the UK for the armed forces

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

Bolton

I think that most people will agree that it would be better all round not to have wars at all, but in reality they're going to happen as human beings will inevitably be in conflict - that's how we've managed to evolve etc - however, we do need to respect the brave men and women who fight for their country - not for their own betterment. War is a grim reality, but the best innovations etc have come about because of war. Z

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

Bolton

"I won't diss anything because people died, but phhtttt!!!!!!!!!!!! War is not the answer yet we respect people for doing it! What a weird society we live in

well i don't so deal with it... but honestly, i respect them i just believe if you want togo to another country for your queen and kill people expect to be killed back

You now hate me, i except it... & so be it!

but it's the way i see things, sorry x

I mean no offence

firstly i dont hate anyone thats how wars start..

secondly..do we just let terrorists rule the world?

fourth..you sleep sound in bed at night because of british forces.

like you said, i don't want an argument, but I am allowed my opinion... & my opinion does go alot further into the subject than i have just stated.

now lets end this topic? or atleast argue in private?

er no, terrorist start wars

Terrorists start wars? lol - yeah right! And so what if the money is used for the upkeep of memorials etc - they need to be kept as a memorial! Z

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By *LBishCouple
over a year ago

near bury st edmunds

Says Nothing on some posts on here as i would get myself banned. As my O/H has served 21 years and is proud as i am of his time in the armed forces. All my family wear the poppy with Great great Pride, for wars fought past and present. x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

my gran lost 4 of her brothers in the war and my grandad told us storys and i could see the pain in his face .. and we will never know how bad things was for them ... i have my poppy for them and the others ... and i will as long as i live.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I won't diss anything because people died, but phhtttt!!!!!!!!!!!! War is not the answer yet we respect people for doing it! What a weird society we live in"

We are all allowed an opinion your right there.

Brave men fought and died in foreign fields to make sure YOU now have on

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By *DSRMan
over a year ago

leicester

i am not even geting into this subject any further, i think what i think am i am proud of who i am and I do care about people and the dead and the living... i know that and i can sleep easy at night

You are all good people for your beliefs to... i only wish people could calmly talk about this sort of subject but i am no different, so complete respect and for me this is a no go topic from now until forever on this forum.

Sorry if anyone took offence but honestly, i do respect alot more than you all seem to think i do

take care

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I remember Ali...resisting conscription..a conscientious objector and anti militarist..

One of the things people fought for was the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion..

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By *LBishCouple
over a year ago

near bury st edmunds

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The poppy is a small humble token of REMEMBRANCE that the public choose to wear with pride for those who have fallen and shed their blood ....... It's not to glory in wars lost or won, for fights over bits of earth.

Many have given their lives. For others, for their loved ones, for the generations to come, in the hope that they never have to face those same horrors.

Wars kill civilians, old people, women children and serving personnel.

I wear the poppy for all of them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its all well and good spending £1 or so once a year but there are many Ex servicemen out there who are still in the land of the living some with physical injuries some with mental scars. Wearing a little red flower doesn’t give you absolution and if you really care and not just want to be seeing to care do something more committed about it and contribute monthly to the many charities out there.

Oh ADSR you have a point war isn’t the answer and it is wired we respect people for killing another man but even in 2011 with some people its the only answer to preserve liberty.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wear my poppy with the utmost pride for my little grandad, who at the tender age of 17 was fighting for the freedom of his people until he was blown up and disfigured at the battle of the Somme, He made it home and we still have his letters. So my nan got her husband but lost ALL of her brothers. LEST WE FORGET !!!!!!!! God bless them all x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wear a poppy to honour those who put their lives on the line to make UK the safe and democratic place it is. Some of those brave people pay the highest price.

Wearing a poppy and being silent on the 11th hour, 11th day of 11th month is a very very very small price to pay

We should treat our armed service men and women far better than we do !!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wear a poppy to honour those who put their lives on the line to make UK the safe and democratic place it is. Some of those brave people pay the highest price.

Wearing a poppy and being silent on the 11th hour, 11th day of 11th month is a very very very small price to pay

We should treat our armed service men and women far better than we do !!!"
I couldn't agree more

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The poppy is also a symbol of Peace...as well as remembrance of the fallen and support to living..

Some wear the white poppy to complement the red one..

The poppy to some also serves to symbolise the futility of war....writings by soldiers in the trenches of WW1 and their war poetry..makes that clear..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wear my poppy with pride to remember fallen comrades and friends, we should forget the sacrifice they have given and to the others that may have to give, so we can have the freedom that we have become accustomed.

God bless them all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The poppy is also a symbol of Peace...as well as remembrance of the fallen and support to living..

Some wear the white poppy to complement the red one..

The poppy to some also serves to symbolise the futility of war....writings by soldiers in the trenches of WW1 and their war poetry..makes that clear.."

The sad fact is every country has enemies. Pacifism, whilst desirabe, ignores the fact there are hostile nations out there. If we did not have the means to fight Hitler then we'd all be speaking German now.

If we have no deterent then we're sitting ducks

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By *LBishCouple
over a year ago

near bury st edmunds

"I wear a poppy to honour those who put their lives on the line to make UK the safe and democratic place it is. Some of those brave people pay the highest price.

Wearing a poppy and being silent on the 11th hour, 11th day of 11th month is a very very very small price to pay

We should treat our armed service men and women far better than we do !!!I couldn't agree more"

Count me in on that opinion too, they should get a lot better looked after once they leave the armed service than they do, no matter what the reason is they have left. This country dont do HALF it should, a lot of the homeless single men on the streets are ex service men, because the council wont even give them a roof over their head, is it their fault they have lived in a block or a Military house and not been on a coincil list. This is to name only one problem a lot have once they leave. This country in a lot of ways should hang its head in shame for how they treat ex service men.

But Yehhh wear your Poppy with pride x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The poppy is also a symbol of Peace...as well as remembrance of the fallen and support to living..

Some wear the white poppy to complement the red one..

The poppy to some also serves to symbolise the futility of war....writings by soldiers in the trenches of WW1 and their war poetry..makes that clear..

If we have no deterent then we're sitting ducks"

I understand the human condition...

The thread was becoming one dimensional...

The poppy means different things to different people..

I`ve a service family, that have seen plenty of active service..

I wear my poppy with many thoughts running thru my mind......but respect those with rational beliefs, that inform their decision not too..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The poppy is also a symbol of Peace...as well as remembrance of the fallen and support to living..

Some wear the white poppy to complement the red one..

The poppy to some also serves to symbolise the futility of war....writings by soldiers in the trenches of WW1 and their war poetry..makes that clear..

If we have no deterent then we're sitting ducks

I understand the human condition...

The thread was becoming one dimensional...

The poppy means different things to different people..

I`ve a service family, that have seen plenty of active service..

I wear my poppy with many thoughts running thru my mind......but respect those with rational beliefs, that inform their decision not too.."

Okay, I get what you were doing

Best wishes

Ray

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The poppy is also a symbol of Peace...as well as remembrance of the fallen and support to living..

Some wear the white poppy to complement the red one..

The poppy to some also serves to symbolise the futility of war....writings by soldiers in the trenches of WW1 and their war poetry..makes that clear..

If we have no deterent then we're sitting ducks

I understand the human condition...

The thread was becoming one dimensional...

The poppy means different things to different people..

I`ve a service family, that have seen plenty of active service..

I wear my poppy with many thoughts running thru my mind......but respect those with rational beliefs, that inform their decision not too..

Okay, I get what you were doing

Best wishes

Ray"

No probs chap...its all grist fer the mill...

Best wishes met halfway..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why do I wear a poppy?

I’ll tell you if I may,

Because I believe remembrance is... not only for one day.

I wear it for the fallen, and for those falling still

For those who come back broken in body or in will.

For the parents, spouses, siblings where bereavement takes its toll.

Whose pain will never leave them, It eats into their soul

For the wino on the corner, Of his old...life nothing’s left.

Now he wishes when in battle he had died a hero’s death.

For the lad who loved a kick-about in the park with all his mates,

But now his legs are held together with pins and metal plates

For the selfless men and women whose final journey home

Is in a Union flag-draped coffin on comrades’ shoulders borne.

For all those marching proudly In Remembrance Day parades

My poppy’s worn in gratitude for the sacrifice they made

yes very well said.xx

xxx"

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By *LBishCouple
over a year ago

near bury st edmunds

I always find these discussion's rather ammusing. ADSR, if thats your opinion, then thats your right, and the fact that you live in a free country means you have that right. And you know what, you don't even have to thank me for it.

Should we wear a poppy for those who died fighting for freedom, well no, not really. Most of those we are remembering, includeing those who died in WW2 were not fighting for freedom. Were those who died in kenya, malaya, Suez fighting for freedom. No, they fought to maintain the hold of the Empire. So lets not get to carried away about that. But when we join, we do keep this country safe and free, as well as bring aid and help to others in the world.

Should we feel sorry for those serving in places like Afghan. Well no, we are all volunteers and if any don't want to be there, then they should leave.

But by wearing a poppy, you can show your respect for those who have died or been injured, in the service of this country, and thats a worthy enough cause.

Male half typeing this just in case anyone is confused.

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By *LBishCouple
over a year ago

near bury st edmunds

"I always find these discussion's rather ammusing. ADSR, if thats your opinion, then thats your right, and the fact that you live in a free country means you have that right. And you know what, you don't even have to thank me for it.

Should we feel sorry for those serving in places like Afghan. Well no, we are all volunteers and if any don't want to be there, then they should leave.

But by wearing a poppy, you can show your respect for those who have died or been injured, in the service of this country, and thats a worthy enough cause.

Male half typeing this just in case anyone is confused."

I dont feel sorry for you hunny, because i know you are doing you dream job, but i am VERY VERY PROUD of you. xxx

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By *LBishCouple
over a year ago

near bury st edmunds

O, and one more thing. I find all this support for the forces very synical. Where was it back in the 90's when we were nothing but scum. This country has a habit of treating its soldiers like heros when theres a war on, but shunning them when peace times comes.

In 1892 Kipling wrote a poem called Tommy Aitkins. And its as vaild now as it was then. When the war in Afghan is over, the support will dissapear. Frankly, i wish you would just stop jumping on our backs and useing us as a means to show how patrioric you are or an excuse to bash the goverment.

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By *ucky_LadsCouple (MM)
over a year ago

Kidderminster+ surrounding areas.

some people seem to be under the impression that because you belong to a different political party or organisation and wear a poppy that you have hi jacked it for some reason?,not so!,we all wear the poppy to remember those that gave their lives to protect this country and in doing so gave us the freedom to express our _iews.

may god bless them all.

god bless them all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People support football teams, they buy the teams shirt to support them, pay to see the games at their ground for a season and buy tickets to support the team and its players and no-one bats an eyelid.

Buy a poppy and donate a couple of quid to support your country and the people who put their lives on the line to protect us and others and look at the chaos it causes

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By *LBishCouple
over a year ago

near bury st edmunds

"O, and one more thing. I find all this support for the forces very synical. Where was it back in the 90's when we were nothing but scum. This country has a habit of treating its soldiers like heros when theres a war on, but shunning them when peace times comes.

This is so very true, think about it, when else do you give a thought about service men and women and how they are treated etc etc, when there is not a conflict going on?

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

This is so very true, think about it, when else do you give a thought about service men and women and how they are treated etc etc, when there is not a conflict going on? "

Who is this group of people you are referring to?.....some people?, most people? all people?

Because not everyone thinks the same and acts the same in life.... some people only spare a thought for our service men and women in times of conflict, so what?...at the same time many do think about these same service men and women on a constant basis.

You can't tar everyone with the same brush in life, however strong your feelings are on the subject.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

i wear a poppy with gratitude, humility and memories of comrades fallen.

and once again will feel a little choked on sun when the last post sounds.

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By *LBishCouple
over a year ago

near bury st edmunds

This is so very true, think about it, when else do you give a thought about service men and women and how they are treated etc etc, when there is not a conflict going on?

Who is this group of people you are referring to?.....some people?, most people? all people?

You can't tar everyone with the same brush in life, however strong your feelings are on the subject."

Well, clearly i am generaliseing, not a good thing i know, but i did it all the same. And its well known how this country treats its service personel. I recall hearing about it when i was young. haveing been in the army since 1990, i have seen it in both peace time (so to speake) and war time.

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By *entlemanfor PleasureMan
over a year ago

corsham

Thank you one and all for your nice comments about wearing a poppy. this little flower has so much meaning. For the fallen, deepest respect for those left behind be strong and remember those you know in fondness!!!

25yr cavalryman

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By *emima_puddlefuckCouple
over a year ago

hexham

Never a truer word said...hope you dont mind but im putting up the poem,how many know that the first remembrance day was observed by unemployed soldiers who felt they had been betrayed by the government.i am a pacifist,i give because the tommy atkins of this world will be fucked over again and again and only charities like the Royal British legion support them.

I went into a public-'ouse to get a pint o'beer,

The publican 'e up an' sez, "We serve no red-coats here."

The girls be'ind the bar they laughed an' giggled fit to die,

I outs into the street again an' to myself sez I:

O it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, go away";

But it's ``Thank you, Mister Atkins,'' when the band begins to play,

The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,

O it's ``Thank you, Mr. Atkins,'' when the band begins to play.

I went into a theatre as sober as could be,

They gave a d*unk civilian room, but 'adn't none for me;

They sent me to the gallery or round the music-'alls,

But when it comes to fightin', Lord! they'll shove me in the stalls!

For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, wait outside";

But it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide,

The troopship's on the tide, my boys, the troopship's on the tide,

O it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide.

Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep

Is cheaper than them uniforms, an' they're starvation cheap;

An' hustlin' d*unken soldiers when they're goin' large a bit

Is five times better business than paradin' in full kit.

Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy how's yer soul?"

But it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll,

The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,

O it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll.

We aren't no thin red 'eroes, nor we aren't no blackguards too,

But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;

An' if sometimes our conduck isn't all your fancy paints:

Why, single men in barricks don't grow into plaster saints;

While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, fall be'ind,"

But it's "Please to walk in front, sir," when there's trouble in the wind,

There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's trouble in the wind,

O it's "Please to walk in front, sir," when there's trouble in the wind.

You talk o' better food for us, an' schools, an' fires an' all:

We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.

Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face

The Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace.

For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!"

But it's "Saviour of 'is country," when the guns begin to shoot;

An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;

But Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool - you bet that Tommy sees!

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By *ickens CiderMan
over a year ago

taunton

I respect the wearing of a Poppy and to me it should be in its simpliest form... from the specially manufactured red paper (that is design NOT to run red dye down your clothes on a rainy)... that have been lovingly assemble by the Legion... it make the donation all the more important and thoughtful to my mind

But today every jumped up TV nobody seems to want to wear a "Blinged" up Poppy thats stupidly large and sparkles and just look so disrepectful in my eyes...

There is no glamour in war so why is there a need to bring glamour to the humble symbol of the Poppy... its wrong

lose the sparkle please and go back to basics

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By *unessexblMan
over a year ago

Colchester

"I respect the wearing of a Poppy and to me it should be in its simpliest form... from the specially manufactured red paper (that is design NOT to run red dye down your clothes on a rainy)... that have been lovingly assemble by the Legion... it make the donation all the more important and thoughtful to my mind

But today every jumped up TV nobody seems to want to wear a "Blinged" up Poppy thats stupidly large and sparkles and just look so disrepectful in my eyes...

There is no glamour in war so why is there a need to bring glamour to the humble symbol of the Poppy... its wrong

lose the sparkle please and go back to basics

I agree totally nice sentiment. I choose to donate always but don!t always wear the poppy, same as when I donate to cancer research I don!t wear pink..it's thoughts and donations that count more than showing..

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over a year ago

I wear a poppy because I feel bad for the families. Most of these soldiers are people from poorer backgrounds who join the forces for the hope of a better life when they return...if they return...and in one piece.

What truly p**ses me off is the w**kers in power who send them out there in the first place, fighting wars that don't need to be fought.

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By *amescoupleCouple
over a year ago

north walsham

Every year i buy a poppy, it sits alongside my armed forces veteran badge.

I wear it for my family members who fought and died. For those who live on with the physical and mental scars.

I wear it for the men and women i spent 6 years serving in The Royal Green Jackets with.

I wear it for the millions who died on every side fighting for distorted political and religous _iews.

I wear it so when our boys and girls return to hate filled streets, they see the red symbol of respect and know that there are still those who look on them as heroes, defenders and brothers in arms.

I once made a casual statement to a friend in a game. But it has stuck with me ever since and become something of a mantra.

Freedom is a gift, paid for with the hearts and souls of heroes.

I will remember

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over a year ago

"I won't diss anything because people died, but phhtttt!!!!!!!!!!!! War is not the answer yet we respect people for doing it! What a weird society we live in"

Surely, as long as there are dictators lurking in the world who have this attitude of "i want to rule the world" we may find ourselves fighting for our freedom we currently enjoy and as said before, its why we do have the freedom, the sacrifice of others who not so long ago had no freedom of choice, they had to go to war.

Would be great to think one day there would be no need to.

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By *DSRMan
over a year ago

leicester

"I wear a poppy because I feel bad for the families. Most of these soldiers are people from poorer backgrounds who join the forces for the hope of a better life when they return...if they return...and in one piece.

What truly p**ses me off is the w**kers in power who send them out there in the first place, fighting wars that don't need to be fought.

thank you thats all i meant to say, terrorists where created because for the last 70 years america went to the middle east and prod them... and if you help the people that start these wars i dont see how your on the side of good.

i felt like shit last night coz of rhis thread but you know what, no... love to all men and woman x respect to all the fallen. im not a twat and im not gonna feel like one just for thinking solders should consider who they are fighting for and why they e fighting... if you pick up a gun expect trouble.. end off

say what you like to me... i feel for anyone and everyone whos sorrow, its the banks and politicians im having a go at and i will never except war is natural, its a man made situation that is always avoidable if you dont provok things

rip to all falln solders who fully deserve reapect for their currage in fighting for what they believe and for their famileys future... i do understand that concept im not taking away from their believes only stating mine

so i will post still and i am a good person

peace

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By *lirty and dirtyCouple
over a year ago

ashford

What truly p**ses me off is the w**kers in power who send them out there in the first place, fighting wars that don't need to be fought.

so i will post still and i am a good person

peace"

We agreed privately last night not to duscuss this again. You again gave you _iews knowing it upset so many. Yes if you pick up a gun expect trouble BUT can you not undestand the guys and the girls out there dont want to be there. They are doing it as the government told them too. The men and women of generations have fought for peace.As someone said earlier we could all be speaking German today. There is a message going out at the minute that says if you can read this thank a teacher if you can read it in english thank a soldier!!!

Do you watch the news?? do you see these crazy people of afghanistan? have you seen the things they do?? they send children to soldiers with wheelbarrows etc loaded with bombs to blow them up, that is child as well..these people are crazy. afghanistan aside take gadaffi did he not have to be stopped from making peoples life hell?? still lets bring everyone home (i would love it more than anyone on this earth) lets learn a new language and be ruled by nutters..let them bomb wherever they like in uk, killing hundereds. are you saying that is right??

this is why i wear the poppy..to show my respect for the fallen, thoses still fighting, those mentally and physically scared...for generations of my family i never got to meet cus they fought for mine and your freedom!!!

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

so i will post still and i am a good person

peace"

most people would agree with some of what you have said regarding peace etc but you said what you did in a crass way without giving it much thought imho.

you caused offence and now you look to be backtracking because of the reaction to your posts.

whilst war and conflict are a terrible affair, sometimes as with the 2nd world war they are unavoidable and sadly the only option with the consequenses that follow.

not a huge fan of the post war american foriegn policy strategy tbh but to say that the usa 'created terrorism', is factually wrong and a tad lacking in historical knowledge.

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By *DSRMan
over a year ago

leicester

well i decided that im not going to be guilt tripped i was feeling well bad about it all last night like i would have to leave the forum, i decided today if im going to stay explain yourself propperly and move on... as for people taking offence, why? does it really matter what my opinion is? you wait till you say something i dont agree with and watch as i dont make a big deal of things... silly!

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By *lirty and dirtyCouple
over a year ago

ashford

"well i decided that im not going to be guilt tripped i was feeling well bad about it all last night like i would have to leave the forum, i decided today if im going to stay explain yourself propperly and move on... as for people taking offence, why? does it really matter what my opinion is? you wait till you say something i dont agree with and watch as i dont make a big deal of things... silly!"

You think it is silly for me to stand up for my husband? I dont..

You will never get me saying anything on here as first and last time i did i got banned!

I read the forums every day but never take part in discussions, unless i feel sooo strongly about the subject that i feel i have too, and on this subject i will happily take a ban if i get it.

You have showed how 2 faced you are by mailing an apology and agreeing to disagree and say no more then go back on your word.

Believe what you want but you are sat there in your nice little job going back to your nice little home and enjoy your nice little life because people fought for you to do so!!!

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over a year ago

Because stuff like this shouldn't be forgotten :

Anthem For Doomed Youth (Wilfred Owen)

What passing-bells for these who die as cattle?

Only the monstrous anger of the guns.

Only the stuttering rifles' rapid rattle

Can patter out their hasty orisons.

No mockeries now for them; no prayers nor bells;

Nor any voice of mourning save the choirs,

The shrill, demented choirs of wailing shells;

And bugles calling for them from sad shires.

What candles may be held to speed them all?

Not in the hands of boys, but in their eyes

Shall shine the holy glimmers of good-byes.

The pallor of girls' brows shall be their pall;

Their flowers the tenderness of patient minds,

And each slow dusk a drawing-down of blinds.

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An Irish Airman Forsees His Death (WB Yeats)

I know that I shall meet my fate

Somewhere among the clouds above;

Those that I fight I do not hate,

Those that I guard I do not love;

My county is Kiltartan Cross,

My countrymen Kiltartan's poor,

No likely end could bring them loss

Or leave them happier than before.

Nor law, nor duty bade me fight,

Nor public men, nor cheering crowds,

A lonely impulse of delight

Drove to this tumult in the clouds;

I balanced all, brought all to mind,

The years to come seemed waste of breath,

A waste of breath the years behind

In balance with this life, this death.

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By *DSRMan
over a year ago

leicester

You think it is silly for me to stand up for my husband? I dont..

You will never get me saying anything on here as first and last time i did i got banned!

I read the forums every day but never take part in discussions, unless i feel sooo strongly about the subject that i feel i have too, and on this subject i will happily take a ban if i get it.

You have showed how 2 faced you are by mailing an apology and agreeing to disagree and say no more then go back on your word.

Believe what you want but you are sat there in your nice little job going back to your nice little home and enjoy your nice little life because people fought for you to do so!!!"

i didnt say a word about your husband, you are a very angery peraon leave me alone. goof bye

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over a year ago

ashford

You think it is silly for me to stand up for my husband? I dont..

You will never get me saying anything on here as first and last time i did i got banned!

I read the forums every day but never take part in discussions, unless i feel sooo strongly about the subject that i feel i have too, and on this subject i will happily take a ban if i get it.

You have showed how 2 faced you are by mailing an apology and agreeing to disagree and say no more then go back on your word.

Believe what you want but you are sat there in your nice little job going back to your nice little home and enjoy your nice little life because people fought for you to do so!!!

i didnt say a word about your husband, you are a very angery peraon leave me alone. goof bye"

rather be angry than stupid

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over a year ago

You think it is silly for me to stand up for my husband? I dont..

You will never get me saying anything on here as first and last time i did i got banned!

I read the forums every day but never take part in discussions, unless i feel sooo strongly about the subject that i feel i have too, and on this subject i will happily take a ban if i get it.

You have showed how 2 faced you are by mailing an apology and agreeing to disagree and say no more then go back on your word.

Believe what you want but you are sat there in your nice little job going back to your nice little home and enjoy your nice little life because people fought for you to do so!!!"

as mush as i agree that people should stand up for themselves or others

but the comment

"Believe what you want but you are sat there in your nice little job going back to your nice little home and enjoy your nice little life because people fought for you to do so"

is a tad below the belt

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By *odareyouMan
over a year ago

not far from iceland,,,,,, tescos is nearer though :-) (near leeds)

"I won't diss anything because people died, but phhtttt!!!!!!!!!!!! War is not the answer yet we respect people for doing it! What a weird society we live in"

I think you showed a total lack of respect with your phhtttt!!!!!!!!! Comment ...

The ladies and gents that donate to the rbl poppy appeal don't find this society weird, they may think people that don't support it weird,.. they appreciate what others have done for them and continue to do so,

I'm proud to wear my poppy along with the help for heroes wrist band, I respect and support the brave lads and lasses that serve in the armed forces past present and future, to the fallen and injured you have my deepest gratitude, without their sacrifices this would be a very different world, they have and continue to perform duties that many people wouldn't .

On remembrance Sunday I hope you use the minutes silence to reflect and remember why we fall silent .. ( even if for you its only for the futility of war,)

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By *lirty and dirtyCouple
over a year ago

ashford

You think it is silly for me to stand up for my husband? I dont..

You will never get me saying anything on here as first and last time i did i got banned!

I read the forums every day but never take part in discussions, unless i feel sooo strongly about the subject that i feel i have too, and on this subject i will happily take a ban if i get it.

You have showed how 2 faced you are by mailing an apology and agreeing to disagree and say no more then go back on your word.

Believe what you want but you are sat there in your nice little job going back to your nice little home and enjoy your nice little life because people fought for you to do so!!!

as mush as i agree that people should stand up for themselves or others

but the comment

"Believe what you want but you are sat there in your nice little job going back to your nice little home and enjoy your nice little life because people fought for you to do so"

is a tad below the belt"

is it not true jaq?? we are free to do as we please through freedom? anyway i have asked for the post to be pulled

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By *DSRMan
over a year ago

leicester

You think it is silly for me to stand up for my husband? I dont..

You will never get me saying anything on here as first and last time i did i got banned!

I read the forums every day but never take part in discussions, unless i feel sooo strongly about the subject that i feel i have too, and on this subject i will happily take a ban if i get it.

You have showed how 2 faced you are by mailing an apology and agreeing to disagree and say no more then go back on your word.

Believe what you want but you are sat there in your nice little job going back to your nice little home and enjoy your nice little life because people fought for you to do so!!!

i didnt say a word about your husband, you are a very angery peraon leave me alone. goof bye

rather be angry than stupid"

well i feel good today, so i dont care hun take care x

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

Ok, calm down people, everyone is entitled to their _iew, wether you agree with it or not.

If you find yourself getting wound up over a post maybe step away from the keyboard for a while.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

is it not true jaq?? we are free to do as we please through freedom? anyway i have asked for the post to be pulled"

I know what the armed services do and I fully agree they do a damm good job that's why I support the poppy appeal and help for heroes with my business as well as at work.

i just think that comment about the "nice little job and house" was bang out of order

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By *oddyWoman
over a year ago

between havant and chichester

ive got the poppy wrist band this year can wear all yr round

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ive got the poppy wrist band this year can wear all yr round"

i brought a emambled badge so i dont loose the poppy x

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By *he BananamanMan
over a year ago

WORCESTERSHIRE

"ive got the poppy wrist band this year can wear all yr round"

i not seen one of those yet but will keep my eyes open for one to go with my help for heroes and the other troops wristbands.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This country used to fight FOR each other, now it fights WITH each other.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"ive got the poppy wrist band this year can wear all yr round

i not seen one of those yet but will keep my eyes open for one to go with my help for heroes and the other troops wristbands."

You can get them on the poppy shop site x

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over a year ago

"ive got the poppy wrist band this year can wear all yr round

i not seen one of those yet but will keep my eyes open for one to go with my help for heroes and the other troops wristbands.

You can get them on the poppy shop site x"

You can also get them from The British Legion site.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Sorry

This was supposed to be a nice feel good thread

Fed up of people spoiling things

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

Bolton

"Sorry

This was supposed to be a nice feel good thread

Fed up of people spoiling things

You've got nothing to apologise for, it was started with good intentions. the vast majority of posters realise what the poppy represents and respect those that it looks to help and remember. Z

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Sorry

This was supposed to be a nice feel good thread

Fed up of people spoiling things

absolutely no need to apologise

well done for putting the poem up

thanks

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

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For me, it is really simple to answer...

for the men and women who in 1 tour of duty will show more bravery and courage than I will in my entire life.

Sadly some don't come home..

and for the ones who come home with a mind destroyed by the sights they saw.

for each one, my utmost respect x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This country used to fight FOR each other, now it fights WITH each other.

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well said.

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By *umourCouple
over a year ago

Rushden

But today every jumped up TV nobody seems to want to wear a "Blinged" up Poppy thats stupidly large and sparkles and just look so disrepectful in my eyes...

There is no glamour in war so why is there a need to bring glamour to the humble symbol of the Poppy... its wrong

lose the sparkle please and go back to basics

The enamelled and the sparkly Poppies are made for the Royal British Legion and are available in the “Poppy Shop”. It is a shame they have run out or I would have bought one for Mrs R! I particularly like the enamelled ones with the year on them. Think I may start a collection… Shall try to get a wrist band this year (already have a poppy and a car window sticker) I like the idea of wearing it everywhere I go and not having to take it off for anything!

Perhaps if you find the “bling” ones disrespectful, you had better mail the Royal British Legion and tell them!

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By *emima_puddlefuckCouple
over a year ago

hexham

"I respect the wearing of a Poppy and to me it should be in its simpliest form... from the specially manufactured red paper (that is design NOT to run red dye down your on a rainy)... that have been lovingly assemble by the Legion... it make the donation all the more important and thoughtful to my mind

But today every jumped up TV nobody seems to want to wear a "Blinged" up Poppy thats stupidly large and sparkles and just look so disrepectful in my eyes...

There is no glamour in war so why is there a need to bring glamour to the humble symbol of the Poppy... its wrong

lose the sparkle please and go back to basics

Perhaps if you find the “bling” ones disrespectful, you had better mail the Royal British Legion and tell them!

And some of us lentil eating greenies like the idea of a poppy that isnt thrown away...

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By *adchickCouple
over a year ago

Cyprus

I wear mine to remember those who have fought in all the wars.

This year I wear mine with pride and the prayer that all my front line boys will come home safe in March.

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By *umourCouple
over a year ago

Rushden

Perhaps if you find the “bling” ones disrespectful, you had better mail the Royal British Legion and tell them!

And some of us lentil eating greenies like the idea of a poppy that isnt thrown away...

Ha ha ha.. There is always that, makes good sense to me, but we must make sure the donation is still made every year! I know a guy who used to get out his car poppy every year and is quite proud at how much money he had saved himself!

I did point out that he hasn't saved any money because it is voluntary, but he then said that he looked like he was “paying in”. In my shame, I stole it from his car two years ago and he hasn’t bought another one yet!

Bloody hell, don’t it feel good the get something off ya chest!

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By * times sexyCouple
over a year ago

Staffs

we recently drove to Ypres and went to the Menin Gate (if you dont know what it is google it) The last post is sounded every night at 8.00pm for those millions that died in muddy fields never to come home,

We arent "pro war" or "pro politicians"

But its an incrediby moving place that changed our _iews , we will always buy a poppy just to remember those that never came home

incidentally does everyone know why its a poppy thats worn ? no its not because it signifies blood or was the first flower to regrow after the battle stopped ,its from poem written by a soldier at the front and sent home to loved ones . is anyones interested ill put it on here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

never forgoten countryman and friends brothers in arms . God bless you all

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"we recently drove to Ypres and went to the Menin Gate (if you dont know what it is google it) The last post is sounded every night at 8.00pm for those millions that died in muddy fields never to come home,

We arent "pro war" or "pro politicians"

But its an incrediby moving place that changed our _iews , we will always buy a poppy just to remember those that never came home

we have also been to Ypres a cpl of times, visited Tyne Cot and several other cemetries.

Langemark the german cemetry is also deserving of a visit.

they are all immaculate in their upkeep and very moving.

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over a year ago

"we have also been to Ypres a cpl of times, visited Tyne Cot and several other cemetries.

Langemark the german cemetry is also deserving of a visit.

they are all immaculate in their upkeep and very moving.

I've been to Arington Cemetry in Washington - that was very moving.

It is still a working cemetary and we witnessed a full military burial procession whilst we were there - the stars and stripes over the coffin carried on a horse drawn gun carriage.

Interestingly, there are 3 tombs of unknown soldiers in the cemetary, but 1 is empty as through DNA testing, they managed to 'name' the airman that was in the Vietnam War tomb.

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By * times sexyCouple
over a year ago

Staffs

yes i agree, theres something about the place, when you look up at the walls and see things like Australian battalions nos 45 thru to 65 clearly as one was wiped out they sent another, 46000 soldiers from india who travelled half the globe to just to die you cant help but feel for those men that died in a cold wet muddy field called "Hell"

We met a new zealander who had travelled all this way to find his lost great grandfther in a mss of white tombstones. He told us a third of the male population of that country died there ,, yes a third. I asked him WHY ?? he simply said because they beleived they were fighting for freedom and against tyranny ,,,,,,,,, I asked if he stil thought it was right, without hesitation he said ,, yes,,

I felt very very humble. The least we can do is buy a poppy and give them 2 mins silence of our lives they died to preserve

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"yes i agree, theres something about the place, when you look up at the walls and see things like Australian battalions nos 45 thru to 65 clearly as one was wiped out they sent another, 46000 soldiers from india who travelled half the globe to just to die you cant help but feel for those men that died in a cold wet muddy field called "Hell"

I felt very very humble. The least we can do is buy a poppy and give them 2 mins silence of our lives they died to preserve

absolutely agree, the 'new' cemetry in Poperinge has a large amount of 'shot at dawn' graves.

There is one there for a young lad from the West Indies, who when he was shot was 17. Should not even have been there, let alone probably suffering from 'shell shock'.

Sad

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over a year ago

I'll wear a poppy on the 11th and on Rememberence Day but I don't agree with people who start wearing them in October.

And also I don't agree with the mass wearing of them such as on the BBC where you may as well be dead rather than be seen on air without one on.

I'd feel a hypocrite demonstrating how much I 'care' for our armed forces when if I really 'cared' I would sign up and fight alongside the brave men and women who do.

So, I am proud to wear my poppy on the days I have said and will continue to respect my country in learning about its history but count me out of wearing a poppy just because it is the 'done thing'.

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By * times sexyCouple
over a year ago

Staffs

ive posted the reason its a poppy in a different thread as this seems to have lost the plot. bout time its closed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"17 years in the Royal Navy amongst the many reasons I wear a poppy !"
Husband Died in Iraq will always wear mine

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A trip over to northern France should be compulsory for schools. Visiting Thiepval the sheer size of the monument with all the names is awe inspiring.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Allied casualties in WW1

Killed...Approx 5 million

Wounded...Approx 12 million

Allies were..

Russia

France

British Empire

Italy

United States

Japan

Romania

Serbia

Belgium

Greece

Portugal

Montenegro

Allied casualties in WW2..

Killed...18.5 million

Wounded...32 million ??

Allies were..

USSR

China

British..France..Polish coalition

British commonwealth

United States

Netherlands

Oslo group

Portugal

Yugoslavia

Brazil

Mexico

Atlantic charter

Pan American Union

WW1..

The British dead..900,000

The British wounded..1.5 million

WW2..

The British dead..400.000

The British wounded..900.00 ??

British soldiers killed in Iraq..179 ??

British soldiers killed in Afgan..340

Untold number of seriously wounded soldiers in Iraq..but especially Afgan...amputees and the like...

Was discussing the poppy appeal with a mate..and we both wondered what the figures were...tho I hasten to say...don`t....they are approx... qoute me...tho I went to National Archive`s and MOD...where possible...if there`s some better info I wouldn`t be surprised..

Some figures not mentioned and theres loads...

Poland lost over 5.5 million soldiers in WW2...if I remember...

Thank god fer the charitable donations..

Anyhows ..thought I`d share..

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By *ucky_LadsCouple (MM)
over a year ago

Kidderminster+ surrounding areas.

i read that the english football association wanted to wear a poppy badge sewn onto the shirts jfor the game on saturday but the international body FIFA would not allow it,they even had to ask for permission to have a minutes silence before the hame to remeber the fallen in conflicts throughout the world.

how wrong is that?.

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over a year ago

For the fact that we are on fab? Wear a poppy

For the fact you can say it how you want? Wear a poppy

For the fact that you don't fear the govt coming to abscond you in the middle of the night? Wear a poppy

It's not about warmongering it's about men and women who have sacrificed (lives,limbs and minds) to keep the world a more democratic place

I'm not brave or selfless enough to do their job so I salute them with a paltry poppy!! We should all thank our armed forces more than we do

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over a year ago

"For the fact that we are on fab? Wear a poppy

For the fact you can say it how you want? Wear a poppy

For the fact that you don't fear the govt coming to abscond you in the middle of the night? Wear a poppy

It's not about warmongering it's about men and women who have sacrificed (lives,limbs and minds) to keep the world a more democratic place

I'm not brave or selfless enough to do their job so I salute them with a paltry poppy!! We should all thank our armed forces more than we do"

Well said that man!

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"ive got the poppy wrist band this year can wear all yr round

i not seen one of those yet but will keep my eyes open for one to go with my help for heroes and the other troops wristbands.

You can get them on the poppy shop site x

You can also get them from The British Legion site."

The poppy shop is on the RBL site

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wear a poppy as most of the male side of my family have been in the army as well as my 2 best friends i wear it to show my gratitude towards them not for any religious beliefs

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over a year ago

having spent 12 years in the Forces, i feel pride when i wear my poppy,i remember all those involved in conflict not only in this country but world wide.

WEAR YOUR POPPY WITH PRIDE

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