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By *un Knights OP   Couple
over a year ago

South West

We just wondered if any Fabbers had experience of their dog having damaged its Cruikshank ligament? If so how did its recovery work out and did it get to the same mobility as prior to injury.

Ours did yesterday and is having TPLO surgery in the morning. In for a tough initial two weeks with the cone of shame and very very little movement followed by a couple of months of slow recovery.

Our rupture was due to trauma and not degenerative condition.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry, no. But wishing your dog healthy recovery

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cruciate ligament?

Overheard it has a good recovery rate. What breed do you have?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Cruciate ligament?

Overheard it has a good recovery rate. What breed do you have? "

I haven't overheard I heard... Stupid phone x

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By *eviantdeliteWoman
over a year ago

Cheltenham


"We just wondered if any Fabbers had experience of their dog having damaged its Cruikshank ligament? If so how did its recovery work out and did it get to the same mobility as prior to injury.

Ours did yesterday and is having TPLO surgery in the morning. In for a tough initial two weeks with the cone of shame and very very little movement followed by a couple of months of slow recovery.

Our rupture was due to trauma and not degenerative condition.

"

The rehabilitation is key...do exactly as vets tell you ....and try and get hydrotherapy to build up the muscles...fingers crossed it does not put too much strain on the other one whilst recovering....just out of interest what is the breed and have you neutered and at what age if you have?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hope your dog makes a full recovery. They are far resilient than we think they can be.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We just wondered if any Fabbers had experience of their dog having damaged its Cruikshank ligament? If so how did its recovery work out and did it get to the same mobility as prior to injury.

Ours did yesterday and is having TPLO surgery in the morning. In for a tough initial two weeks with the cone of shame and very very little movement followed by a couple of months of slow recovery.

Our rupture was due to trauma and not degenerative condition.

The rehabilitation is key...do exactly as vets tell you ....and try and get hydrotherapy to build up the muscles...fingers crossed it does not put too much strain on the other one whilst recovering....just out of interest what is the breed and have you neutered and at what age if you have?"

Some insurance will pay for hydrotherapy..

So do you think castration is linked to tendon and ligament problems in later life? Particularly in the large breeds ? It's not conjecture I've done my research.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Our French Bulldog damaged his cruciate ligament at about 10 months old.

He had a metal plate put in his leg to replace the ligament if I remember correctly.It cost £3800 which is mega money but our insurance covered It. The hardest thing was keeping him from being active as he is hyper. I don't remember the recovery period exactly but it was a long time.

We used a child's play pen during the day and crated him at night. He jumped over the play pen a few times but it didn't cause any issues.

5 years on and he hasn't had any issues with it, can run for hours, and plays like any other dog.

Get well soon to your dog

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By *eviantdeliteWoman
over a year ago

Cheltenham


"We just wondered if any Fabbers had experience of their dog having damaged its Cruikshank ligament? If so how did its recovery work out and did it get to the same mobility as prior to injury.

Ours did yesterday and is having TPLO surgery in the morning. In for a tough initial two weeks with the cone of shame and very very little movement followed by a couple of months of slow recovery.

Our rupture was due to trauma and not degenerative condition.

The rehabilitation is key...do exactly as vets tell you ....and try and get hydrotherapy to build up the muscles...fingers crossed it does not put too much strain on the other one whilst recovering....just out of interest what is the breed and have you neutered and at what age if you have?

Some insurance will pay for hydrotherapy..

So do you think castration is linked to tendon and ligament problems in later life? Particularly in the large breeds ? It's not conjecture I've done my research. "

Yes...juvenile neutering most definitely...

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By *un4meanduMan
over a year ago

STOTFOLD

I own a kennels, its a common op but you must do the recovery as instructed as others have said,

Will be confined or cage rest then slowly build up , hydro therapy is good but if your insured check what that will and will not cover as soon gets expensive ,

Hope all goes ok

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By *orkie321bWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham

I haven't had a dog with this injury but my cat injured his knee as a young kitten. He damaged the ligaments that hold the kneecap and it was moving out of place.

The surgery is the easy part but the key to success is the aftercare that is your job. In the case of our cat it was complete cage rest for 12 weeks, followed by another 12 weeks of gradually building up exercise. This was done by putting the cat on a harness and lead and allowing him to walk several times a day, slowly building up the amount of time. He was still mostly confined to the cage.

It was very hard work but worth it for him to make a full recovery. He has full use of his leg with little sign of the injury. The only thing we have noticed is his gait is slightly different on that side. Our vet says it is just learned behaviour. He started to walk that way because it hurt him and it just stuck!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My German Shepherd is recovering from cruciate repair surgery.

It has been a long slow process. Be aware of the complications of surgery.

He had his operation in September, went well. After a few weeks we noticed that the wound wasn't healing. His body had rejected the implant.

He had to undergo a 2nd op to remove the implant. Which went well, then as he was healing he chased the cat and burst his stitches open. Took him to gave it repaired.

Yesterday he was discharged.

Now we are building his muscles up with physio and short on lead walks.

Be aware that it won't be the initial days after surgery that you'll need to worry,it's the weeks after as he begins to feel better in himself.

Cannot clarify enough the importance of keeping him quiet.

Also ditch the cone, get an inflatable collar.

Our boy looked ridiculous, like he was picking up signals from mars or something.

Also the size was so big it caused chaos for 48 kg of pure German Shepherd... the cone was as big as a satellite dish.

We kept it on immediately after surgery while he slept off the anaesthetic then replaced with the inflatable.

Much

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Our dog had surgery on her cruciate ligament earlier this year. It went well, but as a follow-up she has had to have another smaller surgery because of problems with her meniscus. She's doing better, but she has a noticeable limp. We're starting her on hydrotherapy in the new year to build up her muscle again, as it's gone to shit because of the multiple surgeries.

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By *un Knights OP   Couple
over a year ago

South West

Thank you for all of the replies. He is a Belgian shepherd.

Surgery went well and it would appear once they opened the knee up that it was indeed a traumatic injury which caused the rupture and not as a result of a long term degenerative effect. Other knee was Scanned and is in excellent condition as well. Just bad luck having an awkward landing in a rut when at full pelt.

It will be a long slow return to fitness and no doubt a frustrating time for him and us but as has been said here so important to get it right during the first 3 months.

We have already arranged for hydrotherapy when we get to that stage. Whole op including investigations at our vets and the referral vets will be just over £4000 and then there is the physio and hydro etc afterwards.

All in all we expect bill will be in the region of £5000. Glad we are insured and a reminder to all of the fact that it is well worth it.

Of course the net effect is we are now full time baby sitters for him for weeks to come so if HT’s out are going to be taking a back seat.

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By *eviantdeliteWoman
over a year ago

Cheltenham


"Thank you for all of the replies. He is a Belgian shepherd.

Surgery went well and it would appear once they opened the knee up that it was indeed a traumatic injury which caused the rupture and not as a result of a long term degenerative effect. Other knee was Scanned and is in excellent condition as well. Just bad luck having an awkward landing in a rut when at full pelt.

It will be a long slow return to fitness and no doubt a frustrating time for him and us but as has been said here so important to get it right during the first 3 months.

We have already arranged for hydrotherapy when we get to that stage. Whole op including investigations at our vets and the referral vets will be just over £4000 and then there is the physio and hydro etc afterwards.

All in all we expect bill will be in the region of £5000. Glad we are insured and a reminder to all of the fact that it is well worth it.

Of course the net effect is we are now full time baby sitters for him for weeks to come so if HT’s out are going to be taking a back seat.

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And castrated?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Thank you for all of the replies. He is a Belgian shepherd.

Surgery went well and it would appear once they opened the knee up that it was indeed a traumatic injury which caused the rupture and not as a result of a long term degenerative effect. Other knee was Scanned and is in excellent condition as well. Just bad luck having an awkward landing in a rut when at full pelt.

It will be a long slow return to fitness and no doubt a frustrating time for him and us but as has been said here so important to get it right during the first 3 months.

We have already arranged for hydrotherapy when we get to that stage. Whole op including investigations at our vets and the referral vets will be just over £4000 and then there is the physio and hydro etc afterwards.

All in all we expect bill will be in the region of £5000. Glad we are insured and a reminder to all of the fact that it is well worth it.

Of course the net effect is we are now full time baby sitters for him for weeks to come so if HT’s out are going to be taking a back seat.

"

Glad to hear the operation went well. And good luck

You may find that he will care for himself pretty much. Our boy did, always knew his limitations.

We had one 'oh shit' moment in the week after surgery, son came round and the pup was so excited to see him he jumped the stairgate.... he was fine luckily.

We did end up sleeping downstsirs with him. He's a worrier, typical Shepherd wants to be wherever we are, thought it was mean to leave him when he's at his most vulnerable.

Shit bag soon learnt that poorly leg meant sympathy which meant treats.... he'd be fine one minute, then limping to get attention the next. And always when my son came to visit

But now three months down I have a playful happy dog again lol.

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By *un Knights OP   Couple
over a year ago

South West

Yes by previous owner.

However the surgeon did say that this was a genuine traumatic rupture not as a result of any pre weakness. Less than 5% will be trauma only and mostly it’s a rupture following years of degeneration to the ligament. We happened to be in the 5% so it’s a case of shit happens. That’s is the risk with a working dog.

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By *eviantdeliteWoman
over a year ago

Cheltenham


"Yes by previous owner.

However the surgeon did say that this was a genuine traumatic rupture not as a result of any pre weakness. Less than 5% will be trauma only and mostly it’s a rupture following years of degeneration to the ligament. We happened to be in the 5% so it’s a case of shit happens. That’s is the risk with a working dog."

Juvenile castration causes CCL problems later on in life....that is a fact...but won't go into the details here as it makes no difference to the situation now....and I am not here to talk about work

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes by previous owner.

However the surgeon did say that this was a genuine traumatic rupture not as a result of any pre weakness. Less than 5% will be trauma only and mostly it’s a rupture following years of degeneration to the ligament. We happened to be in the 5% so it’s a case of shit happens. That’s is the risk with a working dog.

Juvenile castration causes CCL problems later on in life....that is a fact...but won't go into the details here as it makes no difference to the situation now....and I am not here to talk about work "

This...

I'm glad he's making a recovery though x

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By *eviantdeliteWoman
over a year ago

Cheltenham


"Yes by previous owner.

However the surgeon did say that this was a genuine traumatic rupture not as a result of any pre weakness. Less than 5% will be trauma only and mostly it’s a rupture following years of degeneration to the ligament. We happened to be in the 5% so it’s a case of shit happens. That’s is the risk with a working dog.

Juvenile castration causes CCL problems later on in life....that is a fact...but won't go into the details here as it makes no difference to the situation now....and I am not here to talk about work

This...

I'm glad he's making a recovery though x"

Of course, my apologies...last post seemed a little rude....glad he is fixed now and on the road to recovery x

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By *aren1956TV/TS
over a year ago

Fakenham

My chocolate Labrador had the op and made a full recovery.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"Yes by previous owner.

However the surgeon did say that this was a genuine traumatic rupture not as a result of any pre weakness. Less than 5% will be trauma only and mostly it’s a rupture following years of degeneration to the ligament. We happened to be in the 5% so it’s a case of shit happens. That’s is the risk with a working dog.

Juvenile castration causes CCL problems later on in life....that is a fact...but won't go into the details here as it makes no difference to the situation now....and I am not here to talk about work "

This is interesting - I've never had a dog castrated and when I tell people this, the very least I get is a disparaging look/comment.

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By *inkxRabbitWoman
over a year ago

Mostly in GU24

I've heard it's more prevalent in dogs who were neutered early. I'm the course of my small business two of the dogs I was walking had cruciate problems. One a cockerdoodle and the other a bichon x min poodle. So none of my dogs are neutered until they're fully matured. I've got 4.

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over a year ago


"We just wondered if any Fabbers had experience of their dog having damaged its Cruikshank ligament? If so how did its recovery work out and did it get to the same mobility as prior to injury.

Ours did yesterday and is having TPLO surgery in the morning. In for a tough initial two weeks with the cone of shame and very very little movement followed by a couple of months of slow recovery.

Our rupture was due to trauma and not degenerative condition.

"

Cruciate

We have had three dogs with this injury. The first was a labrador who caught her leg in rubbish in a river and damaged herself getting free. She had the operation (about 10 years ago). It wasn't expensive or considered the big deal it is now at that time either. The second was a westie cross and the vet spent 6 months telling me it was not his cruciate but I knew it was. By the time they decided I was right after all the injury had affected a "repair" so he constantly had a limp or hop on that leg. The third is a current lab we have. She didn't have an op as the cruciate had not ruptured and the injury remained stable and healed.

A dog we used to own however has that problem right now. He also has an autoimmune disease that has made this worse. He had his op a couple of weeks ago and is apparently recovering well.

I guess it depends on the dog and the level of injury to the ligament but it can and is often repaired very well with the operation if it's deemed necessary. I hope your hound gets well soon xxxx

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By *eviantdeliteWoman
over a year ago

Cheltenham


"I've heard it's more prevalent in dogs who were neutered early. I'm the course of my small business two of the dogs I was walking had cruciate problems. One a cockerdoodle and the other a bichon x min poodle. So none of my dogs are neutered until they're fully matured. I've got 4."

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By *eviantdeliteWoman
over a year ago

Cheltenham


"Yes by previous owner.

However the surgeon did say that this was a genuine traumatic rupture not as a result of any pre weakness. Less than 5% will be trauma only and mostly it’s a rupture following years of degeneration to the ligament. We happened to be in the 5% so it’s a case of shit happens. That’s is the risk with a working dog.

Juvenile castration causes CCL problems later on in life....that is a fact...but won't go into the details here as it makes no difference to the situation now....and I am not here to talk about work

This is interesting - I've never had a dog castrated and when I tell people this, the very least I get is a disparaging look/comment. "

Neither have I .....all dogs and bitches that have even been in my kennels have been kept entire....no accidental makings, and no physical problems caused by neutering...all natural and healthily lived to good ages despite being hard working Gundogs x

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By *eviantdeliteWoman
over a year ago

Cheltenham


"We just wondered if any Fabbers had experience of their dog having damaged its Cruikshank ligament? If so how did its recovery work out and did it get to the same mobility as prior to injury.

Ours did yesterday and is having TPLO surgery in the morning. In for a tough initial two weeks with the cone of shame and very very little movement followed by a couple of months of slow recovery.

Our rupture was due to trauma and not degenerative condition.

Cruciate

We have had three dogs with this injury. The first was a labrador who caught her leg in rubbish in a river and damaged herself getting free. She had the operation (about 10 years ago). It wasn't expensive or considered the big deal it is now at that time either. The second was a westie cross and the vet spent 6 months telling me it was not his cruciate but I knew it was. By the time they decided I was right after all the injury had affected a "repair" so he constantly had a limp or hop on that leg. The third is a current lab we have. She didn't have an op as the cruciate had not ruptured and the injury remained stable and healed.

A dog we used to own however has that problem right now. He also has an autoimmune disease that has made this worse. He had his op a couple of weeks ago and is apparently recovering well.

I guess it depends on the dog and the level of injury to the ligament but it can and is often repaired very well with the operation if it's deemed necessary. I hope your hound gets well soon xxxx"

That is a lot of “pet”dogs to be having crucial ligament problems

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By *un Knights OP   Couple
over a year ago

South West

No need to apologise, forum posts can often come across wrong without the face to face delivery and visual cues of a real conversation. We fully understand what you meant.

We would not have had him done had he been ours from a pup but as a rescue dog he was what he was when we rehomed him with us.

We also would not have been feeding him the cheapest possible crap kibble he had been on all his life. We got him back on raw and he was much better for it very quickly. Of course the raw or not question can start all sort of other discussions, lol.

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over a year ago


"We just wondered if any Fabbers had experience of their dog having damaged its Cruikshank ligament? If so how did its recovery work out and did it get to the same mobility as prior to injury.

Ours did yesterday and is having TPLO surgery in the morning. In for a tough initial two weeks with the cone of shame and very very little movement followed by a couple of months of slow recovery.

Our rupture was due to trauma and not degenerative condition.

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Both my dogs did, what dog you got? Its common in small dogs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" No need to apologise, forum posts can often come across wrong without the face to face delivery and visual cues of a real conversation. We fully understand what you meant.

We would not have had him done had he been ours from a pup but as a rescue dog he was what he was when we rehomed him with us.

We also would not have been feeding him the cheapest possible crap kibble he had been on all his life. We got him back on raw and he was much better for it very quickly. Of course the raw or not question can start all sort of other discussions, lol.

"

I think if it's going to happen it will regardless of the precautionary measures.

Our pup has been raw fed since he was 8 weeks old, holistic treatments, careful research in relation diet, natural glucosimine for his joints from trachea. Using holistic training methods,regular exercise.

We aren't sure how he ruptured his CL, he is a big dog at 48 kg, and he is all fur and muscle. The Vet seems to think his body grew too quickly and it was a factor.

Our last GSD was the same as above, raw fed, never saw a tin of dog food in his life. Holistic again, and natural joint supplements because we are paranoid about hip dysplasia and related issues...

Joints in perfect health when he died of a brain tumour 7 years ago. Nothing could of prevented that,or the secondary epilepsy it caused

Both my boys weren't neutered. Luckily I have an excellent Vet who agrees with my "if it aint broke, don't fix it" approach and advocates raw feeding, who also doesn't try to enforce whatever food the practice are commissioned to sell. It's Eukanuba at our place... shocking stuff... Good vets like this are hard to find.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Another advocate for raw feeding, or at least no grain, cereal fillers etc.

Raw is great but there are also some excellent kibbles available now as well I'm also an advocate for not neutering..

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over a year ago


"Another advocate for raw feeding, or at least no grain, cereal fillers etc.

Raw is great but there are also some excellent kibbles available now as well I'm also an advocate for not neutering..

"

Definitely hon. We do use kibble occasionally too, either Eden. Or Millie's Wolfheart x

It is a complaint I hear often in the house when the dog is eating his lamb. "What's for tea?" -"pasta" - "oh"

:D

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Another advocate for raw feeding, or at least no grain, cereal fillers etc.

Raw is great but there are also some excellent kibbles available now as well I'm also an advocate for not neutering..

Definitely hon. We do use kibble occasionally too, either Eden. Or Millie's Wolfheart x

It is a complaint I hear often in the house when the dog is eating his lamb. "What's for tea?" -"pasta" - "oh"

:D

"

I'm lucky that I work in a butchers, so can have a good variety for mine...

Although I like green tripe for them as well... I buy that free flow.

Sorry OP for hijacking your thread. X

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By *un Knights OP   Couple
over a year ago

South West

No worries, hijack away.

Too many vets we find instantly start sucking their teeth when you mention feeding raw. Ours is also fine with it luckily but many will try to scare owners back to kibble.

He is home now all red and swollen and knocking into everything with his collar. We will see who goes stir crazy first the dog or us.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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He is home now all red and swollen and knocking into everything with his collar. We will see who goes stir crazy first the dog or us. "

Oh bless him. Here's hoping he sleeps lots.

Glad surgery went well. Worse than kids these dogs lol xx

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