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"Talking on video games probably isn't a good measure. Back when call of duty was popular every American was calling you the n word " Only because it's online doesn't make it not racist. My point is that it has gotten far worse in the past couple of months. | |||
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"Has anyone noticed the spike in racism, particularly in North America? I would often interact with people around the globe even just through video game chat but never has it been so bad. Lately anytime I go online I see and hear plenty of racial slurs. This also isn't just a case of the occasional N word being said but proper nazi/agressive behaviour. Not sure if this thread would fit brtter in political forums." Couldn’t agree more, it’s diabolical. I’m noticing more groups forming on Facebook too. | |||
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"You can often distinguish race/nationality from accent alone. Failing that, I doubt someone would preach such hatred towards own race and regardless of the two points mentioned, you can still be racist/xenophobic against your own race/mationality. Hope you find the forum fracas you're so looking for with my green arrrow, but please don't try to derail the point only because you're trying to audition for next season of Sherlock Holmes "Sorry but in your response you're being just like what you are complaining about! Just because people disagree with you doesn't make them wrong or their point invalid or open to derision, does it? | |||
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"Sorry but in your response you're being just like what you are complaining about! " Uh, the topic raised by the OP is racism. Where is he being racist? | |||
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"I assume you read what I had to say, far from derailing any point I think I delved rather deeper than the blame Trump for everything mindset lol " I don't blame Trump for it all, but he definitely doesn't help it. Taking no action and showing lack of care only helps to support the spread of the problem. | |||
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"You can often distinguish race/nationality from accent alone. Failing that, I doubt someone would preach such hatred towards own race and regardless of the two points mentioned, you can still be racist/xenophobic against your own race/mationality. Hope you find the forum fracas you're so looking for with my green arrrow, but please don't try to derail the point only because you're trying to audition for next season of Sherlock Holmes
Sorry but in your response you're being just like what you are complaining about!
Just because people disagree with you doesn't make them wrong or their point invalid or open to derision, does it?"I never complained about her point, I think I have adequately answered her question towards me. | |||
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"I assume you read what I had to say, far from derailing any point I think I delved rather deeper than the blame Trump for everything mindset lol I don't blame Trump for it all, but he definitely doesn't help it. Taking no action and showing lack of care only helps to support the spread of the problem." I'm a bit too jaded with these sort of things to be honest, vast majority of "current" issues/problems are just flavour of the month for the media. | |||
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"I assume you read what I had to say, far from derailing any point I think I delved rather deeper than the blame Trump for everything mindset lol I don't blame Trump for it all, but he definitely doesn't help it. Taking no action and showing lack of care only helps to support the spread of the problem. I'm a bit too jaded with these sort of things to be honest, vast majority of "current" issues/problems are just flavour of the month for the media." Completely agree I want politicians to do their jobs, we have laws and courts in place to deal with racism. Expecting the President of the United States to tackle Internet racism is like expecting a consultant in brain surgery to help clean out patients toilets to be Frank. | |||
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"I assume you read what I had to say, far from derailing any point I think I delved rather deeper than the blame Trump for everything mindset lol I don't blame Trump for it all, but he definitely doesn't help it. Taking no action and showing lack of care only helps to support the spread of the problem. I'm a bit too jaded with these sort of things to be honest, vast majority of "current" issues/problems are just flavour of the month for the media. Completely agree I want politicians to do their jobs, we have laws and courts in place to deal with racism. Expecting the President of the United States to tackle Internet racism is like expecting a consultant in brain surgery to help clean out patients toilets to be Frank. " Being the President I think it's fair to expect him to address the racist and natiolist views of the people he's representing. | |||
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"I assume you read what I had to say, far from derailing any point I think I delved rather deeper than the blame Trump for everything mindset lol I don't blame Trump for it all, but he definitely doesn't help it. Taking no action and showing lack of care only helps to support the spread of the problem. I'm a bit too jaded with these sort of things to be honest, vast majority of "current" issues/problems are just flavour of the month for the media. Completely agree I want politicians to do their jobs, we have laws and courts in place to deal with racism. Expecting the President of the United States to tackle Internet racism is like expecting a consultant in brain surgery to help clean out patients toilets to be Frank. " But what about leading by example? He shared Britain First videos, if the president of the USA shares fascist propaganda what message does that send out to the world? | |||
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" Completely agree I want politicians to do their jobs, we have laws and courts in place to deal with racism. Expecting the President of the United States to tackle Internet racism is like expecting a consultant in brain surgery to help clean out patients toilets to be Frank. " 'Internet racism' is the same as real world racism. Just because it happens online doesn't mean it somehow magically doesn't count. Also, it's absolutely the job of the President to help/encourage citizens get along and ensure everyone is treated fairly and equally. Your analogy is actually almost correct. Racism is like effluent, and does need cleaning up. But the President isn't a specialist surgeon. He has to be a generalist who can lead on all kinds of issues. He's more like the hospital manager or director, who absolutely does have responsibility to make sure the sewerage is working properly. | |||
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" Completely agree I want politicians to do their jobs, we have laws and courts in place to deal with racism. Expecting the President of the United States to tackle Internet racism is like expecting a consultant in brain surgery to help clean out patients toilets to be Frank. 'Internet racism' is the same as real world racism. Just because it happens online doesn't mean it somehow magically doesn't count. Also, it's absolutely the job of the President to help/encourage citizens get along and ensure everyone is treated fairly and equally. Your analogy is actually almost correct. Racism is like effluent, and does need cleaning up. But the President isn't a specialist surgeon. He has to be a generalist who can lead on all kinds of issues. He's more like the hospital manager or director, who absolutely does have responsibility to make sure the sewerage is working properly. " Your analogy is actually better than mine you're spot on he's the director who instructs the masses of people UNDER him to deal with the issues relating to their departments and not micro managing everything. A nations laws should deal with legal issues. And the US attorney General is dealing with the case of racism. | |||
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" Your analogy is actually better than mine you're spot on he's the director who instructs the masses of people UNDER him to deal with the issues relating to their departments and not micro managing everything. A nations laws should deal with legal issues. And the US attorney General is dealing with the case of racism. " Nope. Racism is not just a legal issue. It's also a social issue, an economic issue, an issue in jobs and education and healthcare, etc etc. You can't just say 'well, racism is illegal, nothing else to do here'. Racism has always been a huge part of US society. It's deep rooted and affects millions of people. For a President to not care about it, and to even seem to encourage it at times, is completely wrong. | |||
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"Trump is open about his racism and i applaud him for his honesty.Better than a closet racist in my view.People didn't vote for him because he's s racist they voted inspite of it.You can't expect a country built on racism to change anytime soon. " I fail to see how an open racist is better than a closet one. Going with the principle of the leeser of the two evils, a closet racist is less likely to spread his views and in turn influence others. Racism isn't an issue of last month or a year, it dates back to hundreds of years ago. So not expecting it to change anytime soon is a wrong type of attitude when trying to make a change. | |||
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"The use of the N word would probably become obsolete were it not for the fact that it is used so much by the same people who get offended by it. It is a duality in philosophy to be wanted to be treated the same whilst simultaneously highlighting your difference." People shouldn't be treated the same but instead fairly, that's a whole another issue though. | |||
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"Trump is open about his racism and i applaud him for his honesty.Better than a closet racist in my view.People didn't vote for him because he's s racist they voted inspite of it.You can't expect a country built on racism to change anytime soon. I fail to see how an open racist is better than a closet one. Going with the principle of the leeser of the two evils, a closet racist is less likely to spread his views and in turn influence others. Racism isn't an issue of last month or a year, it dates back to hundreds of years ago. So not expecting it to change anytime soon is a wrong type of attitude when trying to make a change." Dude racism never went away it went under ground after the civil rights movement.Until trump made it acceptable again.Racism ain't going anywhere soon. | |||
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"The use of the N word would probably become obsolete were it not for the fact that it is used so much by the same people who get offended by it. It is a duality in philosophy to be wanted to be treated the same whilst simultaneously highlighting your difference. People shouldn't be treated the same but instead fairly, that's a whole another issue though. " Well I don't treat anyone differently because of their eye colour, hair colour or skin colour. People are people and to decide what kind of people they are because of their appearance has never worked for me personally. I like to think I treat all people fairly and that means I would have to treat them equally. | |||
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" It is a duality in philosophy to be wanted to be treated the same whilst simultaneously highlighting your difference." Nope. A gay pride parade, for example, celebrates differences and also promotes equality. It's how minorities fight oppression. | |||
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"The use of the N word would probably become obsolete were it not for the fact that it is used so much by the same people who get offended by it. It is a duality in philosophy to be wanted to be treated the same whilst simultaneously highlighting your difference. People shouldn't be treated the same but instead fairly, that's a whole another issue though. Well I don't treat anyone differently because of their eye colour, hair colour or skin colour. People are people and to decide what kind of people they are because of their appearance has never worked for me personally. I like to think I treat all people fairly and that means I would have to treat them equally." You can't treat people equally because we're not born equal. Are you going to ask a wheelchair user to take the stairs to the second floor? After all, everyone else can take the stairs so it's equal treatment right? Same issue with poverty, medicine, biology. Fair treatment doesn't always mean equal treatment and being fair is more important than being equal. | |||
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" It is a duality in philosophy to be wanted to be treated the same whilst simultaneously highlighting your difference. Nope. A gay pride parade, for example, celebrates differences and also promotes equality. It's how minorities fight oppression. " The same applies to all minorities. I know gay people who use the same words on themselves that they would be offended by if they were used on them. If a word is offensive. Its offensive. To say I can use it but you can't is having different rules for different demographics which is exactly what you are fighting against. | |||
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"Trump is open about his racism and i applaud him for his honesty.Better than a closet racist in my view.People didn't vote for him because he's s racist they voted inspite of it.You can't expect a country built on racism to change anytime soon. I fail to see how an open racist is better than a closet one. Going with the principle of the leeser of the two evils, a closet racist is less likely to spread his views and in turn influence others. Racism isn't an issue of last month or a year, it dates back to hundreds of years ago. So not expecting it to change anytime soon is a wrong type of attitude when trying to make a change. Dude racism never went away it went under ground after the civil rights movement.Until trump made it acceptable again.Racism ain't going anywhere soon." I never said it did, I'm arguing that is has become a lot more common now and the fact that it's been there for years doesn't make it acceptable. | |||
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"The use of the N word would probably become obsolete were it not for the fact that it is used so much by the same people who get offended by it. It is a duality in philosophy to be wanted to be treated the same whilst simultaneously highlighting your difference. People shouldn't be treated the same but instead fairly, that's a whole another issue though. Well I don't treat anyone differently because of their eye colour, hair colour or skin colour. People are people and to decide what kind of people they are because of their appearance has never worked for me personally. I like to think I treat all people fairly and that means I would have to treat them equally. You can't treat people equally because we're not born equal. Are you going to ask a wheelchair user to take the stairs to the second floor? After all, everyone else can take the stairs so it's equal treatment right? Same issue with poverty, medicine, biology. Fair treatment doesn't always mean equal treatment and being fair is more important than being equal." That's not what I meant by treating people equally. I don't think you can compare a person being disabled to having a different skin color. | |||
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"The use of the N word would probably become obsolete were it not for the fact that it is used so much by the same people who get offended by it. It is a duality in philosophy to be wanted to be treated the same whilst simultaneously highlighting your difference. People shouldn't be treated the same but instead fairly, that's a whole another issue though. Well I don't treat anyone differently because of their eye colour, hair colour or skin colour. People are people and to decide what kind of people they are because of their appearance has never worked for me personally. I like to think I treat all people fairly and that means I would have to treat them equally. You can't treat people equally because we're not born equal. Are you going to ask a wheelchair user to take the stairs to the second floor? After all, everyone else can take the stairs so it's equal treatment right? Same issue with poverty, medicine, biology. Fair treatment doesn't always mean equal treatment and being fair is more important than being equal. That's not what I meant by treating people equally. I don't think you can compare a person being disabled to having a different skin color." It's been proven that some medicine is more effective for certain race groups than the other. Do you still give them the less effective medicine to treat them equally? I understand your point but equality isn't the right word for it. | |||
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"Has anyone noticed the spike in racism, particularly in North America? I would often interact with people around the globe even just through video game chat but never has it been so bad. Lately anytime I go online I see and hear plenty of racial slurs. This also isn't just a case of the occasional N word being said but proper nazi/agressive behaviour. Not sure if this thread would fit brtter in political forums." But you cannot get a true world view from video games or from online. You have to actually go to the country. When you do, you will see that there is none of this behaviour in ordinary life between normal people. The people on the Subway act the same as they do on the tube in London. Go on a bus to Boston and it is no different from taking a bus to Bristol. | |||
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"The use of the N word would probably become obsolete were it not for the fact that it is used so much by the same people who get offended by it. It is a duality in philosophy to be wanted to be treated the same whilst simultaneously highlighting your difference. People shouldn't be treated the same but instead fairly, that's a whole another issue though. Well I don't treat anyone differently because of their eye colour, hair colour or skin colour. People are people and to decide what kind of people they are because of their appearance has never worked for me personally. I like to think I treat all people fairly and that means I would have to treat them equally. You can't treat people equally because we're not born equal. Are you going to ask a wheelchair user to take the stairs to the second floor? After all, everyone else can take the stairs so it's equal treatment right? Same issue with poverty, medicine, biology. Fair treatment doesn't always mean equal treatment and being fair is more important than being equal. That's not what I meant by treating people equally. I don't think you can compare a person being disabled to having a different skin color. It's been proven that some medicine is more effective for certain race groups than the other. Do you still give them the less effective medicine to treat them equally? I understand your point but equality isn't the right word for it." Ok fair point. How about the word prejudice? I am talking about the preconceived notion that a person will behave a certain way simply because of their appearance. You may note that the dictionary definition of racism is very different to the way society uses it in general. | |||
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" It is a duality in philosophy to be wanted to be treated the same whilst simultaneously highlighting your difference. Nope. A gay pride parade, for example, celebrates differences and also promotes equality. It's how minorities fight oppression. The same applies to all minorities. I know gay people who use the same words on themselves that they would be offended by if they were used on them. If a word is offensive. Its offensive. To say I can use it but you can't is having different rules for different demographics which is exactly what you are fighting against." It's reclaiming it. Taking a word that the majority uses to dehumanise you and making it your own. Someone then coming along and saying that it's not fair that white people can't say the n word is missing the whole point. And frankly suggests a lack of knowledge of the history of that word. You're making the mistake of thinking that fighting for equality means you have to act like we already have it. We don't. | |||
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" It is a duality in philosophy to be wanted to be treated the same whilst simultaneously highlighting your difference. Nope. A gay pride parade, for example, celebrates differences and also promotes equality. It's how minorities fight oppression. The same applies to all minorities. I know gay people who use the same words on themselves that they would be offended by if they were used on them. If a word is offensive. Its offensive. To say I can use it but you can't is having different rules for different demographics which is exactly what you are fighting against. It's reclaiming it. Taking a word that the majority uses to dehumanise you and making it your own. Someone then coming along and saying that it's not fair that white people can't say the n word is missing the whole point. And frankly suggests a lack of knowledge of the history of that word. You're making the mistake of thinking that fighting for equality means you have to act like we already have it. We don't. " Maybe. Or. Maybe I have lived through more racism than you can ever imagine and can tell you that having two sets of rules for different people is what causes all the trouble in the first place. | |||
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"There are huge issues of racism outside of North America. Take for instance Zimbabwe where white farmers of legitimately owned land have been murdered and their land taken away from them. Where is the international outcry?" Or attractions in Thailand that have a different admission price for white skinned customers. | |||
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" It is a duality in philosophy to be wanted to be treated the same whilst simultaneously highlighting your difference. Nope. A gay pride parade, for example, celebrates differences and also promotes equality. It's how minorities fight oppression. The same applies to all minorities. I know gay people who use the same words on themselves that they would be offended by if they were used on them. If a word is offensive. Its offensive. To say I can use it but you can't is having different rules for different demographics which is exactly what you are fighting against. It's reclaiming it. Taking a word that the majority uses to dehumanise you and making it your own. Someone then coming along and saying that it's not fair that white people can't say the n word is missing the whole point. And frankly suggests a lack of knowledge of the history of that word. You're making the mistake of thinking that fighting for equality means you have to act like we already have it. We don't. Maybe. Or. Maybe I have lived through more racism than you can ever imagine and can tell you that having two sets of rules for different people is what causes all the trouble in the first place." Nope. Racism comes from people being treated differently in ways that actually matter, actual discrimination. White people not being able to say the n word does not disadvantage them in any meaningful way whatsoever. You can't just apply a simplistic rule like 'different rules are bad' to every situation regardless of context. | |||
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" It is a duality in philosophy to be wanted to be treated the same whilst simultaneously highlighting your difference. Nope. A gay pride parade, for example, celebrates differences and also promotes equality. It's how minorities fight oppression. The same applies to all minorities. I know gay people who use the same words on themselves that they would be offended by if they were used on them. If a word is offensive. Its offensive. To say I can use it but you can't is having different rules for different demographics which is exactly what you are fighting against. It's reclaiming it. Taking a word that the majority uses to dehumanise you and making it your own. Someone then coming along and saying that it's not fair that white people can't say the n word is missing the whole point. And frankly suggests a lack of knowledge of the history of that word. You're making the mistake of thinking that fighting for equality means you have to act like we already have it. We don't. " Please show me where I said its ok for white people to use the N word? Please don't put words in my mouth and then argue with them. I don't think anyone should use words that they find offensive on themselves. That whole taking a word and making it your own is the worst argument I have ever heard for justifying hypocrisy. Though not unique its just a load of nonsense in my opinion. It is a stance that divides people along racial lines. | |||
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" It is a duality in philosophy to be wanted to be treated the same whilst simultaneously highlighting your difference. Nope. A gay pride parade, for example, celebrates differences and also promotes equality. It's how minorities fight oppression. The same applies to all minorities. I know gay people who use the same words on themselves that they would be offended by if they were used on them. If a word is offensive. Its offensive. To say I can use it but you can't is having different rules for different demographics which is exactly what you are fighting against. It's reclaiming it. Taking a word that the majority uses to dehumanise you and making it your own. Someone then coming along and saying that it's not fair that white people can't say the n word is missing the whole point. And frankly suggests a lack of knowledge of the history of that word. You're making the mistake of thinking that fighting for equality means you have to act like we already have it. We don't. Maybe. Or. Maybe I have lived through more racism than you can ever imagine and can tell you that having two sets of rules for different people is what causes all the trouble in the first place. Nope. Racism comes from people being treated differently in ways that actually matter, actual discrimination. White people not being able to say the n word does not disadvantage them in any meaningful way whatsoever. You can't just apply a simplistic rule like 'different rules are bad' to every situation regardless of context. " It's creating divide between races. We live in a world where children are dying of poverty. That isn't what matters? What words we say are the real important issues right? Some people have to sit on their roof tops when the high tide comes in because the icecaps are melting but our attention and energy is directed at who got offended by who said what on twitter. So come again on issues that matter... | |||
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"There are huge issues of racism outside of North America. Take for instance Zimbabwe where white farmers of legitimately owned land have been murdered and their land taken away from them. Where is the international outcry? Or attractions in Thailand that have a different admission price for white skinned customers." This made me giggle because while traveling in China.I was eating out and i was given the English menu which was more expensive.So I grabbed a chinese menu and ordered in mandarin to their horror.  | |||
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" That whole taking a word and making it your own is the worst argument I have ever heard for justifying hypocrisy. Though not unique its just a load of nonsense in my opinion. It is a stance that divides people along racial lines. " If you can't see the power and symbolism of taking a word that has been used to literally dehumanise a group of people for centuries, and saying 'yep, this is ours now' then you really do lack imagination. People are already divided on racial lines. And you want to tell black people that they're not allowed to do what they want with a word that has been used brutally against them for the longest time? | |||
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" It is a duality in philosophy to be wanted to be treated the same whilst simultaneously highlighting your difference. Nope. A gay pride parade, for example, celebrates differences and also promotes equality. It's how minorities fight oppression. The same applies to all minorities. I know gay people who use the same words on themselves that they would be offended by if they were used on them. If a word is offensive. Its offensive. To say I can use it but you can't is having different rules for different demographics which is exactly what you are fighting against. It's reclaiming it. Taking a word that the majority uses to dehumanise you and making it your own. Someone then coming along and saying that it's not fair that white people can't say the n word is missing the whole point. And frankly suggests a lack of knowledge of the history of that word. You're making the mistake of thinking that fighting for equality means you have to act like we already have it. We don't. Maybe. Or. Maybe I have lived through more racism than you can ever imagine and can tell you that having two sets of rules for different people is what causes all the trouble in the first place. Nope. Racism comes from people being treated differently in ways that actually matter, actual discrimination. White people not being able to say the n word does not disadvantage them in any meaningful way whatsoever. You can't just apply a simplistic rule like 'different rules are bad' to every situation regardless of context. It's creating divide between races. We live in a world where children are dying of poverty. That isn't what matters? What words we say are the real important issues right? Some people have to sit on their roof tops when the high tide comes in because the icecaps are melting but our attention and energy is directed at who got offended by who said what on twitter. So come again on issues that matter..." Racism affects lives. Racism is an issue. Look up that stats on racial discrimination in the justice system in the US for just one instance. Who are you to tell the victims of it that it doesn't matter? I'm sorry, but 'look at these other important issues!' is nonsense. We can focus on all kinds of issues. You just don't like hearing about racism for some reason. Black people being able to say the n word only causes 'divisions' for people like you who apparently don't understand its history. | |||
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" That whole taking a word and making it your own is the worst argument I have ever heard for justifying hypocrisy. Though not unique its just a load of nonsense in my opinion. It is a stance that divides people along racial lines. If you can't see the power and symbolism of taking a word that has been used to literally dehumanise a group of people for centuries, and saying 'yep, this is ours now' then you really do lack imagination. People are already divided on racial lines. And you want to tell black people that they're not allowed to do what they want with a word that has been used brutally against them for the longest time? " Absolutely correct white people lost the right to that word long long ago and more importantly why the fuck does any white person want to claim it back.  | |||
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"If you can't see the power and symbolism of taking a word that has been used to literally dehumanise a group of people for centuries, and saying 'yep, this is ours now' then you really do lack imagination." But you don't hear Spanish calling each other the S word, or Jews calling each other the K word. Both of them groups say "no the word is offensive, please, no one use it". Same with the Italians, Irish, Germans, basically everyone in America has words that are racist against them and they do not say themselves and do not want others to say about them. You don't see Itallians saying "whats up my wop". So when they see black people use the N word to each other, they say "well its either okay to say or not". It's a joke, the word is either okay or it is not. | |||
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"If you can't see the power and symbolism of taking a word that has been used to literally dehumanise a group of people for centuries, and saying 'yep, this is ours now' then you really do lack imagination. But you don't hear Spanish calling each other the S word, or Jews calling each other the K word. Both of them groups say "no the word is offensive, please, no one use it". Same with the Italians, Irish, Germans, basically everyone in America has words that are racist against them and they do not say themselves and do not want others to say about them. You don't see Itallians saying "whats up my wop". So when they see black people use the N word to each other, they say "well its either okay to say or not". It's a joke, the word is either okay or it is not. " Christ. There is a bit of a difference between the n word and words that are aimed at Germans or Spanish. Hint - those nationalities were not enslaved in the not so distant past? Words used against Jews are a closer comparison - but guess what, victimized groups get to decide for themselves what they do with such words. It's not up to the people who have historically done the oppressing to tell them what to do. | |||
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"I note how this topic has gone from 'racism in the US' in the OP, to 'why black people are at fault for it'. I mean, I think that says quite a lot. " The only thing that black people have been blamed for is using the n word in bucket loads and gay people were criticised for using gay slurs but you omit that. I think that speaks volumes | |||
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"Christ. There is a bit of a difference between the n word and words that are aimed at Germans or Spanish. Hint - those nationalities were not enslaved in the not so distant past? " Okay, so you don't know what you're talking about. The first slaves to arrive in America were white. The largest single shipment of slaves ever recorded were white people, not black people. Irish people were the first slaves to arrive in the Caribbean. America calls them indentured servants because they could get their freedom in their lifetime, but the UN calls them slaves and everyone agrees most never seen freedom or had their contracts honoured. Irish men were thrown overboard on slave ships because they would die in the heat and black people were more expensive because they could work harder in the heat. An Irish slave was worth less so would be beaten harder and hanged quicker. Irish women were mass force bred by black slaves, to create half cast slaves. Half cast could work both the field and in the house. Full black people could not work in the house. So many Irish women were force bred and forced to have babies that it affected global sales of slaves. As areas stopped having to buy in slaves as they were having the white women give birth to their new slaves. So don't give me that bullshit, white people have been through awful times that equal anything black people went through. | |||
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"I note how this topic has gone from 'racism in the US' in the OP, to 'why black people are at fault for it'. I mean, I think that says quite a lot. The only thing that black people have been blamed for is using the n word in bucket loads and gay people were criticised for using gay slurs but you omit that. I think that speaks volumes "Uh, do you? What do you think it says? Gay people reclaiming that word has exactly the same principle and I equally support their right to do that or not to do that of they choose. Black people are being blamed for creating racism by using the n word, because apparently that's the most important factor in US racism to some people. Which, as I say, is telling. | |||
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" So don't give me that bullshit, white people have been through awful times that equal anything black people went through." If they want to reclaim any words that were previously used against them, they can. | |||
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" That whole taking a word and making it your own is the worst argument I have ever heard for justifying hypocrisy. Though not unique its just a load of nonsense in my opinion. It is a stance that divides people along racial lines. If you can't see the power and symbolism of taking a word that has been used to literally dehumanise a group of people for centuries, and saying 'yep, this is ours now' then you really do lack imagination. People are already divided on racial lines. And you want to tell black people that they're not allowed to do what they want with a word that has been used brutally against them for the longest time? " If you would like to attack me personally that's fine. Unfortunately forum rules do not allow people to defend themselves from personal attacks. You win. | |||
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" That whole taking a word and making it your own is the worst argument I have ever heard for justifying hypocrisy. Though not unique its just a load of nonsense in my opinion. It is a stance that divides people along racial lines. If you can't see the power and symbolism of taking a word that has been used to literally dehumanise a group of people for centuries, and saying 'yep, this is ours now' then you really do lack imagination. People are already divided on racial lines. And you want to tell black people that they're not allowed to do what they want with a word that has been used brutally against them for the longest time? If you would like to attack me personally that's fine. Unfortunately forum rules do not allow people to defend themselves from personal attacks. You win. " It's not a personal attack. I'm stating your position. You're saying that black people shouldn't use the n word. No? | |||
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" So don't give me that bullshit, white people have been through awful times that equal anything black people went through. If they want to reclaim any words that were previously used against them, they can. " They aren't reclaiming them. They are saying that some people can use it and some people can't. The decisive factor on who can an who can't is based on skin color. This is known as RACISM. You cannot use racism to fight racism. | |||
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" So don't give me that bullshit, white people have been through awful times that equal anything black people went through. If they want to reclaim any words that were previously used against them, they can. They aren't reclaiming them. They are saying that some people can use it and some people can't. The decisive factor on who can an who can't is based on skin color. This is known as RACISM. You cannot use racism to fight racism." OK, we're going in circles here so I'll leave it after this. I've explained how it's not that simple, and you ignore those explanations, and the context, and keep applying your reductive little rule. Context matters. The details matter. | |||
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" So don't give me that bullshit, white people have been through awful times that equal anything black people went through. If they want to reclaim any words that were previously used against them, they can. They aren't reclaiming them. They are saying that some people can use it and some people can't. The decisive factor on who can an who can't is based on skin color. This is known as RACISM. You cannot use racism to fight racism. OK, we're going in circles here so I'll leave it after this. I've explained how it's not that simple, and you ignore those explanations, and the context, and keep applying your reductive little rule. Context matters. The details matter. " Thanks for "explaining" things to me. | |||
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" So don't give me that bullshit, white people have been through awful times that equal anything black people went through. If they want to reclaim any words that were previously used against them, they can. They aren't reclaiming them. They are saying that some people can use it and some people can't. The decisive factor on who can an who can't is based on skin color. This is known as RACISM. You cannot use racism to fight racism. OK, we're going in circles here so I'll leave it after this. I've explained how it's not that simple, and you ignore those explanations, and the context, and keep applying your reductive little rule. Context matters. The details matter. " They ain't never gonna get it | |||
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" So don't give me that bullshit, white people have been through awful times that equal anything black people went through. If they want to reclaim any words that were previously used against them, they can. They aren't reclaiming them. They are saying that some people can use it and some people can't. The decisive factor on who can an who can't is based on skin color. This is known as RACISM. You cannot use racism to fight racism. OK, we're going in circles here so I'll leave it after this. I've explained how it's not that simple, and you ignore those explanations, and the context, and keep applying your reductive little rule. Context matters. The details matter. They ain't never gonna get it "Sorry I am offended by you using the word "ain't". I have claimed it as my own and now forbid you from using it.  | |||
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" That whole taking a word and making it your own is the worst argument I have ever heard for justifying hypocrisy. Though not unique its just a load of nonsense in my opinion. It is a stance that divides people along racial lines. If you can't see the power and symbolism of taking a word that has been used to literally dehumanise a group of people for centuries, and saying 'yep, this is ours now' then you really do lack imagination. People are already divided on racial lines. And you want to tell black people that they're not allowed to do what they want with a word that has been used brutally against them for the longest time? If you would like to attack me personally that's fine. Unfortunately forum rules do not allow people to defend themselves from personal attacks. You win. It's not a personal attack. I'm stating your position. You're saying that black people shouldn't use the n word. No? " Well you have called me ignorant of history and that I lack imagination. That is attacking me personally. Not my argument. | |||
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"Also, a lot of that stuff about Irish 'slaves' is dubious. Not universally recognised by historians by any means. " See for example New York Times article 'Debunking a Myth: The Irish Were Not Slaves, Too'. Includes a mention of 'the false claim that Irish women were forcibly “bred” with black men.' Turns out this Irish slavery narrative is a common one used by the far right...well, at least I learned something from this thread. | |||
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" That whole taking a word and making it your own is the worst argument I have ever heard for justifying hypocrisy. Though not unique its just a load of nonsense in my opinion. It is a stance that divides people along racial lines. If you can't see the power and symbolism of taking a word that has been used to literally dehumanise a group of people for centuries, and saying 'yep, this is ours now' then you really do lack imagination. People are already divided on racial lines. And you want to tell black people that they're not allowed to do what they want with a word that has been used brutally against them for the longest time? If you would like to attack me personally that's fine. Unfortunately forum rules do not allow people to defend themselves from personal attacks. You win. It's not a personal attack. I'm stating your position. You're saying that black people shouldn't use the n word. No? Well you have called me ignorant of history and that I lack imagination. That is attacking me personally. Not my argument." Not really personal attacks in my opinion, but if you genuinely feel attacked then I certainly apologise. | |||
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" That whole taking a word and making it your own is the worst argument I have ever heard for justifying hypocrisy. Though not unique its just a load of nonsense in my opinion. It is a stance that divides people along racial lines. If you can't see the power and symbolism of taking a word that has been used to literally dehumanise a group of people for centuries, and saying 'yep, this is ours now' then you really do lack imagination. People are already divided on racial lines. And you want to tell black people that they're not allowed to do what they want with a word that has been used brutally against them for the longest time? If you would like to attack me personally that's fine. Unfortunately forum rules do not allow people to defend themselves from personal attacks. You win. It's not a personal attack. I'm stating your position. You're saying that black people shouldn't use the n word. No? Well you have called me ignorant of history and that I lack imagination. That is attacking me personally. Not my argument. Not really personal attacks in my opinion, but if you genuinely feel attacked then I certainly apologise. " No worries. If it wasn't intended no umbrage is taken. I am saying that taking a word and saying some people are allowed to use it and some people aren't is racist in itself. Either everyone is allowed to use it or nobody is. Do black people think that using the N word is making things better? It's not. It's emphasizing differences not breaking them down. I'm against racism. But I believe that racism is not exclusively the domain of the white man. | |||
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"So much clap trap I don't really know were to start, but I'll just go with the last post, when a few hundred years ago did racism start? At what point in human history were we less "racist" than now? And were in the world is less "racist" than America? Finally there are huge problems around race and immigration and in my view it's down to liberal Nazis shutting any discussion on the subject down, the result is people building up resentment silently till they get in a voting booth and the libtard Nazis can't bully them there." Leftists hate facts | |||
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