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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

So the new proposal to axe diesels by 2040 seems a long way off.

But they have announced they are going to allow councils to charge pollution fees by 2020 on diesels!

Do you think this is fair...whilst not adding a scrapage scheme as yet?

Prices are falling on diesels like a lead balloon now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Life isn't fair, just got to live with it.

That said diesel cars are the spawn of the devil. In fact if Satan drove are car it would be a poxy diesel Skoda Octavia. Petrol is the only sensible fossil fuel choice for cars, in fact I shiver saying this but I would go straight to Electric before I ever considered a diesel.

Diesel should be the preserve of hgv's and vans.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Life isn't fair, just got to live with it.

Diesel should be the preserve of hgv's and vans. "

I agree but all governments past have been plugging them...so is it not down to them to offer reasonable compensation to people who have recently bought them?

As for electric. Are the not just moving the pollution issue to powerstations?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

By 2040 diesel and petrol cars will be long gone.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"By 2040 diesel and petrol cars will be long gone. "

Said in op.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"By 2040 diesel and petrol cars will be long gone.

Said in op."

Reality is the technology will change so much in the next 23 or even 13 years, cars will most likely be fully automated to avoid collisions. I'm going to to dare and say we'll have mass production flying cars by 2040.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And if someome recently bought a diesel car they shouldn't be upset about the change since fossil fuel cars were meant to be scrapped anyway.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"By 2040 diesel and petrol cars will be long gone.

Said in op.

I know technology is moving fast but....unless it moves in a way that cars do not require fuel....we will just be passing the pollution from one area to another.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wouldn't quite say that All governments of the past plugged diesel cars.

Personally I think most people who have purchased diesels have been more tempted by the improved fuel economy argument of diesels than anything the government have done.

Ultimately the Government didn't force you to buy a diesel, you made a choice and you have to deal with the repercussions of that choice.

A long time back I remember being on the continent as a kid with my dad and asking him what an earth all these clattery, stinky cars were (diesel cars were uncommon in Britain back in the good old days).

He just replied that they were 'diesels, no possible good can come from them'

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By *entralscotscpl7Couple
over a year ago

Falkirk

I don't think this will happen as soon as that especially on a global scale.

Yes the technology is there but the infrastructure to support it isn't.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I wouldn't quite say that All governments of the past plugged diesel cars.

Personally I think most people who have purchased diesels have been more tempted by the improved fuel economy argument of diesels than anything the government have done.

Ultimately the Government didn't force you to buy a diesel, you made a choice and you have to deal with the repercussions of that choice.

He just replied that they were 'diesels, no possible good can come from them'

Just one thing to add to that is.....the government a few years back give quite a lot of diesel cars zero tax duty on there omission levels.

So on that basis I would say the government encouraged diesel cars.

Ps I drive a petrol car

Just playing devil's advocate

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't think this will happen as soon as that especially on a global scale.

Yes the technology is there but the infrastructure to support it isn't."

Not yet, but 20 years before sales are banned is plenty of time to resolve the infrastructure argument.

I think we're going to experience a lot of change over that period which will affect the individuals transportation needs. No one really has any real idea as to what level of road transport will be by 2030 let alone 2040. With the growing trend in automation of everything, from factories, supply chain and transportation etc etc, who knows if any of us are going to be commuting into jobs in the future.

Hook me up to the Matrix baby and let me live in a computer generated utopia...

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By *al2001Man
over a year ago

kildare

I use green diesel. Greenest of all

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By *arehamMan
over a year ago

handforth

There is going to be some very nice diesel cars going very cheap soon.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"There is going to be some very nice diesel cars going very cheap soon.

They are now....and the price is dropping fast

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There is going to be some very nice diesel cars going very cheap soon.

They are now....and the price is dropping fast

If this applies to vans then I shall be very happy indeed!

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

The problem is that electric cars are still utterly shite, they simply can't do a medium length trip, there isn't the infrastructure to support them yet. I hope my diesel lasts a few more years...

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"There is going to be some very nice diesel cars going very cheap soon.

They are now....and the price is dropping fast

If this applies to vans then I shall be very happy indeed!

Good for a couple of years.....then the cost of running them will make them uneconomical

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just one thing to add to that is.....the government a few years back give quite a lot of diesel cars zero tax duty on there omission levels.

So on that basis I would say the government encouraged diesel cars.

Ps I drive a petrol car

Just playing devil's advocate

And those people who paid zero tax made hay while the sun shined saving money on VED while I continued to pay £500 a year to tax my gas guzzling car (without complaint)

Therefore I have no sympathy, governments change, policies change.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The problem is that electric cars are still utterly shite, they simply can't do a medium length trip, there isn't the infrastructure to support them yet. I hope my diesel lasts a few more years... "

Tesla seem to be doing okay in regard to the distance. Granted, the recharging stations are not anywhere near prolific enough yet though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The problem is that electric cars are still utterly shite, they simply can't do a medium length trip, there isn't the infrastructure to support them yet. I hope my diesel lasts a few more years...

Tesla seem to be doing okay in regard to the distance. Granted, the recharging stations are not anywhere near prolific enough yet though."

Actually, Tesla are far from shite

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"The problem is that electric cars are still utterly shite, they simply can't do a medium length trip, there isn't the infrastructure to support them yet. I hope my diesel lasts a few more years...

Tesla seem to be doing okay in regard to the distance. Granted, the recharging stations are not anywhere near prolific enough yet though.

Actually, Tesla are far from shite

Because a bunch of tree huggers drive them around london and California? Who needs a car in a city anyway! It's just a fact that the best electric cars can drive about half as far as an average diesel car before it needs to recharge. Totally pointless.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Just one thing to add to that is.....the government a few years back give quite a lot of diesel cars zero tax duty on there omission levels.

So on that basis I would say the government encouraged diesel cars.

Ps I drive a petrol car

Just playing devil's advocate

And those people who paid zero tax made hay while the sun shined saving money on VED while I continued to pay £500 a year to tax my gas guzzling car (without complaint)

Therefore I have no sympathy, governments change, policies change. "

I get you kinda...but the point I'm making is how can something be pushed by the government as zero omissions one day ....be the enemy the next.

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By *andsonjohnMan
over a year ago

in the eye of the storm

"So the new proposal to axe diesels by 2040 seems a long way off.

But they have announced they are going to allow councils to charge pollution fees by 2020 on diesels!

Do you think this is fair...whilst not adding a scrapage scheme as yet?

Prices are falling on diesels like a lead balloon now

No its not fair but to be expected no petrol or diesel by 2040 good luck with that for one very simple reason how the fuck are we going to generate all the electricity for all these electric cars bet no one has thought about that ether .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

time to get a cheap diesal half price

not as if it will be on the road in 2040

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wonder what car all the wankers will switch to once the 320d and A3 TDI are gone

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"So the new proposal to axe diesels by 2040 seems a long way off.

But they have announced they are going to allow councils to charge pollution fees by 2020 on diesels!

Do you think this is fair...whilst not adding a scrapage scheme as yet?

Prices are falling on diesels like a lead balloon now

I mentioned that in my second post

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So the new proposal to axe diesels by 2040 seems a long way off.

But they have announced they are going to allow councils to charge pollution fees by 2020 on diesels!

Do you think this is fair...whilst not adding a scrapage scheme as yet?

Prices are falling on diesels like a lead balloon now

I mentioned that in my second post

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do you want a prize??

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"time to get a cheap diesal half price

not as if it will be on the road in 2040"

But the chances are it will be in 3 years....and Middlesbrough council is a target area for hitting on diesel pollution taxes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"time to get a cheap diesal half price

not as if it will be on the road in 2040

But the chances are it will be in 3 years....and Middlesbrough council is a target area for hitting on diesel pollution taxes

i use red so ive no concern

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So does that mean if councils are going to charge a pollution fee that they will also pay it on their own fleet vans and lorries. What about coaches and hgv.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"time to get a cheap diesal half price

not as if it will be on the road in 2040

But the chances are it will be in 3 years....and Middlesbrough council is a target area for hitting on diesel pollution taxes

i use red so ive no concern

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By *andsonjohnMan
over a year ago

in the eye of the storm

"So the new proposal to axe diesels by 2040 seems a long way off.

But they have announced they are going to allow councils to charge pollution fees by 2020 on diesels!

Do you think this is fair...whilst not adding a scrapage scheme as yet?

Prices are falling on diesels like a lead balloon now

I mentioned that in my second post

Its a bullshit idea that will change electric isn't the answer for the simple reason how are we going to generate that electricity power demand is at braking point as it is have they announced a power station building commitment no . Its one of them policies that sounds good but in practise is going to not happen you watch .

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"So does that mean if councils are going to charge a pollution fee that they will also pay it on their own fleet vans and lorries. What about coaches and hgv."

Hi I don't know everything

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By *uv a sukMan
over a year ago

yorkshire

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

farmers are exempt as we use red

so alls good there then

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So does that mean if councils are going to charge a pollution fee that they will also pay it on their own fleet vans and lorries. What about coaches and hgv.

Hi I don't know everything

well well what do you know

come on tell

we are all in suspenders

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The problem is that electric cars are still utterly shite, they simply can't do a medium length trip, there isn't the infrastructure to support them yet. I hope my diesel lasts a few more years...

Tesla seem to be doing okay in regard to the distance. Granted, the recharging stations are not anywhere near prolific enough yet though.

Actually, Tesla are far from shite

Yeah sure

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lol. Sorry it was meant to be a general question. Just seems the motorist is being punished again. But on a serious note how could they not charge coaches and HGV and then of course they cost will be passed on to businesses and commuters.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

yeah and all those electric car owners who live in blocks of flats and terraced housing with no dedicated parking spaces will be pretty much fucked when it comes to overnight charging....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"yeah and all those electric car owners who live in blocks of flats and terraced housing with no dedicated parking spaces will be pretty much fucked when it comes to overnight charging....

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yes they will connect to lamposts on the sly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So does that mean if councils are going to charge a pollution fee that they will also pay it on their own fleet vans and lorries. What about coaches and hgv."

Councils, probably not as it's not difficult to put excemptions into local legislation.

Coaches, probably not an exemption for mass public transport again would be difficult to put in place

Hgv's possibly but if so then cost would be passed down the chain. But most of these emission charging zones are targeting cities, there are concepts for edge of city transport hubs where goods are transferred to electric or similar delivery vehicles thus meaning the majority of your stinky hgv's will never have to enter cities.

Ultimately they want individuals out of diesel cars and that's what the government will more than likely target.

As I said fair or not it's something we've all got to live with.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Generating the electricity is not going to be a problem, the queue to spend an hour on the charger will be 24 hours long, so the net annual mileage per electric car will be 50 miles and people will have to choose to abandon the car or never go home.

So before we have to deal with the tens of thousands of tons of scrap batteries in 2050 transport will be horses or walk

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By *orwegian BlueMan
over a year ago

Iceland, but Aldi is closer..

The chance are that electric will not be the only way to power a car, or at least not the current plug in for 12 Hours process.

Hydrogen, solar, vegetable oils, alcohol.. They are all ways that vehicles can currently be run, just the drive to mass produce these means to make them viable has never been there while the oil production companies are making billions out of what otherwise would be a by product of the oil industry.

Military vehicles are making the move to electric, this is a good start as most technological innovation are spin offs from either the defence or space industries.

I'm looking forward to being able to purchase an X-drive vehicle in 10 years time when the price reaches an equivalent point to standard petrol vehicles now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My view is slightly jaundiced by living in Bristol, the tram public transport system when raised was to rival the London underground. 30 or so years later it's going to be a very restricted service (though still doesn't actually exist)

As for transport hubs to reduce trucks... didn't we used to have that on the railway network? Think the government closed it down to encourage trucks onto the motorways

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"The chance are that electric will not be the only way to power a car, or at least not the current plug in for 12 Hours process.

Military vehicles are making the move to electric, this is a good start as most technological innovation are spin offs from either the defence or space industries.

I'm looking forward to being able to purchase an X-drive vehicle in 10 years time when the price reaches an equivalent point to standard petrol vehicles now. "

Which military vehicles are using electric? Genuinely interested.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"So the new proposal to axe diesels by 2040 seems a long way off.

But they have announced they are going to allow councils to charge pollution fees by 2020 on diesels!

Do you think this is fair...whilst not adding a scrapage scheme as yet?

Prices are falling on diesels like a lead balloon now

I mentioned that in my second post

A populist govenrment policy that isn't fully thought through? Perish the thought.

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By *osweet69Couple
over a year ago

portsmouth

It is now official,the lunatic's are running the asylum.

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By *rank n BettyCouple
over a year ago

Not meeting

Got my eyes on a nice bmw e70 40d so hopefully prices of diesels will continue to fall

Frank

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Got my eyes on a nice bmw e70 40d so hopefully prices of diesels will continue to fall

Frank"

Just hope you'll have the money to run it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As for transport hubs to reduce trucks... didn't we used to have that on the railway network? Think the government closed it down to encourage trucks onto the motorways

Whatever your opinions on the rail network, The old British Rail network was never designed for modern day freight needs, even back in the 60's it was knackered. In a way the best thing that could have happened for the British Rail freight industry was for the Luftwaffe to have done a better job in bombing our rail infrastructure, allowing it to be completely overhauled in the post war years, but that's a contentious issue.

Anyhow from working in the logistics industry, I have seen a huge growth in the use of intermodel hubs for freight (the transfer of rail freight to road freight, vice versa, and ship and air freight too). You'll never get trucks off of the main roads, the goal is to keep them out of the cities.

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By *orwegian BlueMan
over a year ago

Iceland, but Aldi is closer..

"The chance are that electric will not be the only way to power a car, or at least not the current plug in for 12 Hours process.

Military vehicles are making the move to electric, this is a good start as most technological innovation are spin offs from either the defence or space industries.

I'm looking forward to being able to purchase an X-drive vehicle in 10 years time when the price reaches an equivalent point to standard petrol vehicles now.

Which military vehicles are using electric? Genuinely interested."

A joint collaboration between several of the big defence manufacturers and research companies have produced a hub drive system that has now been implemented into vehicles which are currently undergoing test with the aim to have the drive used on the jaguar and scout platform, in particular in time for when the ct40 cannon is also implemented into scout.

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By *umourCouple
over a year ago

Rushden

I wonder what is going to happen to the holiday industry? Towing caravans and driving motorhomes will become difficult. We travel to France and tour around, but even just getting to a site for a holiday will be a real task!

OK, I doubt this is going to affect me too much, I won't be here in 2040. Diesel will still be available, just no new vehicles being made and sold. But there will be lots of future classics destroyed in the run up to this daft policy becoming law.

Lorries and busses that do distance work cannot possibly be electric with the current technology. Even in 20 years time, moving 20 tonnes of cargo with an electric powered truck will be a real feat!

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By *aul1973HullMan
over a year ago

East Hull

Diesel engines are much cleaner and efficient than they were say 10 years ago, in 10 years time they could be much more cleaner and efficient than petrol engines.

As for phasing them out, they stopped production of 2stroke engines in motorcycles many years ago but you still see a few of them riding about.

Just to throw a spanner in the works...

If governments want to reduce pollution and congestion why don't they encourage more people to use motorcycles instead of pricing them off the road? A motorcycle takes up a lot less space on the road, use a lot less fuel, are more efficient, cause less environmental damage, AND electric motorcycles are already available. They keep making the motorcycle test harder and more expensive with the theory that they are making safer riders, BUT they are doing very little to make car drivers more aware of motorcycle users on the roads. Statistics have proven that the majority of motorcycle accidents have been caused by car drivers and not unsafe riders.

I remember reading quite some time ago about a country that insist that people must first pass their motorcycle test before obtaining a provisional car licence and they number of motorcycle accidents dropped dramatically.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So the new proposal to axe diesels by 2040 seems a long way off.

But they have announced they are going to allow councils to charge pollution fees by 2020 on diesels!

Do you think this is fair...whilst not adding a scrapage scheme as yet?

Prices are falling on diesels like a lead balloon now

I mentioned that in my second post

In 1901 nearly every horse and cart driver had similar opinions to you... After all there was half a million horse and carts and only a few hundred cars.

Of course By 1910 they were all shooting their horses because they were obsolete

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Diesel engines are much cleaner and efficient than they were say 10 years ago, in 10 years time they could be much more cleaner and efficient than petrol engines.

As for phasing them out, they stopped production of 2stroke engines in motorcycles many years ago but you still see a few of them riding about.

Just to throw a spanner in the works...

Oh, let me just fit 5 people on a motorcycle including holiday lugagge as we drive through heavy rain...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wonder if they will ban motorcycles as they run on petrol.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So who is saying that this needs to do this ?

Will it make much difference to the global foot print ?

Think not and can think of more problems about changing to all electric than say using a hybrid ??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

we all know why it's because people are getting more miles out of diesels and the government don't like it. They've probably lost a shit load of tax since electric fags came out too

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Just to through a spanner into the works.

Where are the hundreds of billions of pounds in fuel duty going to go when petrol and diesel are defunct?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Slight caveat on the motorcycle accident rate, the motorcycle accidents resulting in serious injury are frequently caused by cars. Most motorcycle accidents that don't involve other vehicles go unreported as there is no serious injury.

Nothing wrong in government setting objectives, but putting dates on things that don't actually exist as a working concept yet is foolish. As once it starts to slip the entire objective can be lost.

We have known for 40+ years that fossil fuel needs to go. But have yet to solve it on large concepts with small footprint like electricity generation, or trains. It's an even bigger problem on small concept large footprint like personal transport.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"we all know why it's because people are getting more miles out of diesels and the government don't like it. They've probably lost a shit load of tax since electric fags came out too "

They will more then likely get that back when they heavily tax electricity to replace petrol and diesel

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By *aul1973HullMan
over a year ago

East Hull

"Diesel engines are much cleaner and efficient than they were say 10 years ago, in 10 years time they could be much more cleaner and efficient than petrol engines.

As for phasing them out, they stopped production of 2stroke engines in motorcycles many years ago but you still see a few of them riding about.

Just to throw a spanner in the works...

Oh, let me just fit 5 people on a motorcycle including holiday lugagge as we drive through heavy rain..."

Was that sarcasm or stupidity??

I didn't suggest banning cars, but it could reduce the amount of 5 seater cars on the road with only 1 person in it!

You dont have to be a tree hugger to help save the environment, sometimes a little common sense will suffice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just to through a spanner into the works.

Where are the hundreds of billions of pounds in fuel duty going to go when petrol and diesel are defunct?"

To be replaced with duty on whatever is powering the next generation, whether it's electrickery, or hydrogen, or magic pixie dust. The chancellor will find a way to top the coffers up.

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By *orwegian BlueMan
over a year ago

Iceland, but Aldi is closer..

"we all know why it's because people are getting more miles out of diesels and the government don't like it. They've probably lost a shit load of tax since electric fags came out too "

And if course it has nothing to do with the hydrocarbons and micro particulates that are produced by diesel fuel which have led to the fall in health of those living in built up areas.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cool. Loads of spare diesel engines for my boat....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Diesel engines are much cleaner and efficient than they were say 10 years ago, in 10 years time they could be much more cleaner and efficient than petrol engines.

As for phasing them out, they stopped production of 2stroke engines in motorcycles many years ago but you still see a few of them riding about.

Just to throw a spanner in the works...

Oh, let me just fit 5 people on a motorcycle including holiday lugagge as we drive through heavy rain...

Was that sarcasm or stupidity??

I didn't suggest banning cars, but it could reduce the amount of 5 seater cars on the road with only 1 person in it!

You dont have to be a tree hugger to help save the environment, sometimes a little common sense will suffice."

The planet doesn't need saving, the people do. Bit that's a different matter.

Reality is motorcycles are not as practical as cars so removing some of them won't do any good.

We're trying to improve the quality not reduce the quantity.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

True but diesel cars tend to be more efficient and cleaner than they used to be plus if they have a regeneration system on them like Lexus does you would get a lot cleaner air. They want us to buy electric cars but have you seen the price of them and how long they last on one charge. Wait until the battery's fuck up they will cost an arm and a leg to repair

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By *ire_bladeMan
over a year ago

Manchester

By 2040 I really don't think I'm going to be worrying what car I'll be driving so frankly I really don't give a damn. Yep I know I'm the devil's sporn so kindly see above

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To be honest diesel drivers, don't panic!, the evidence points to us being fucked long before you have to worry about electric cars, you've probably got 10 to 15 years before the really bad shit starts and the last thing you'll be worried about is your diesel car once that comes about.

You know the shits about to hit the fan when car companies no longer want to be associated with hydrocarbons

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do believe it OP..... 20 years ago we would be all flying around in hovering type cars

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By *raceytvcdTV/TS
over a year ago

mansfield

"time to get a cheap diesal half price

not as if it will be on the road in 2040

But the chances are it will be in 3 years....and Middlesbrough council is a target area for hitting on diesel pollution taxes

i use red so ive no concern

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no but vosa might be intrested to here that

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By *ire_bladeMan
over a year ago

Manchester

If diesels are so bad then why does my petrol bike cost 3 times what my diesel car costs to tax.....

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By *aul1973HullMan
over a year ago

East Hull

"Diesel engines are much cleaner and efficient than they were say 10 years ago, in 10 years time they could be much more cleaner and efficient than petrol engines.

As for phasing them out, they stopped production of 2stroke engines in motorcycles many years ago but you still see a few of them riding about.

Just to throw a spanner in the works...

Oh, let me just fit 5 people on a motorcycle including holiday lugagge as we drive through heavy rain...

Was that sarcasm or stupidity??

I didn't suggest banning cars, but it could reduce the amount of 5 seater cars on the road with only 1 person in it!

You dont have to be a tree hugger to help save the environment, sometimes a little common sense will suffice.

The planet doesn't need saving, the people do. Bit that's a different matter.

Reality is motorcycles are not as practical as cars so removing some of them won't do any good.

We're trying to improve the quality not reduce the quantity. "

If the human race doesn't do it's bit to save the planet it won't be able to sustain life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If diesels are so bad then why does my petrol bike cost 3 times what my diesel car costs to tax....."
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Because some fucking idiot politican 20 years ago decided to tax on C02 emissions rather than put forward a long term solution to a very real long term problem.

So here we are 20 years later with hundreds of thousands dying from air pollution (n0x) and another politican trying to force through another short term fix.... Only now we don't have as much time left to plan for.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"time to get a cheap diesal half price

not as if it will be on the road in 2040

But the chances are it will be in 3 years....and Middlesbrough council is a target area for hitting on diesel pollution taxes

i use red so ive no concern

no but vosa might be intrested to here that"

The best part is....I've seen him on other threads saying he doesn't drive...uses taxis

Take what you read as a pinch of salt

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By *heCrowAndButterflyCouple
over a year ago

Rushden

Now new diesel or petrol from 2040 well that just means they won't sell them the fuel still has to be sold long after that, you cannot expect someone to but a new car in 2039, then scrap in one year later, i know it's a long way off but the basic economics of it won't change, with this rule coming expect a huge drop in turnover of vehicle sales leading up to the date, and the associated job losses. expect electric prices to sky rocket nearer the time, with the greedy suppliers cashing in! Definitely expect income tax and probably all taxes to go up how are they going to replace the 85p per litre the government take in tax? And before anyone uses the probe of cigarettes compared to the cost on the nhs of smoking rested illnesses, there is no relation here the roads will still needed to be in place and supported with less cash to do it. Ill bet this never happens it's all pie in the sky

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By *heCrowAndButterflyCouple
over a year ago

Rushden

"Now new diesel or petrol from 2040 well that just means they won't sell them the fuel still has to be sold long after that, you cannot expect someone to but a new car in 2039, then scrap in one year later, i know it's a long way off but the basic economics of it won't change, with this rule coming expect a huge drop in turnover of vehicle sales leading up to the date, and the associated job losses. expect electric prices to sky rocket nearer the time, with the greedy suppliers cashing in! Definitely expect income tax and probably all taxes to go up how are they going to replace the 85p per litre the government take in tax? And before anyone uses the probe of cigarettes compared to the cost on the nhs of smoking rested illnesses, there is no relation here the roads will still needed to be in place and supported with less cash to do it. Ill bet this never happens it's all pie in the sky"

Sorry for the typo's predictive text at its worst

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Dynamos and batteries that hold charge....just saying

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I think you will find within the next 10 years there will not be a petrol or diesel in production. ...so the likelihood of buy one in 2039 will not be there.

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By *ire_bladeMan
over a year ago

Manchester

"If diesels are so bad then why does my petrol bike cost 3 times what my diesel car costs to tax......

Because some fucking idiot politican 20 years ago decided to tax on C02 emissions rather than put forward a long term solution to a very real long term problem.

Thanks for clearing that up

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By *r ed300Man
over a year ago

bradford

"By 2040 diesel and petrol cars will be long gone. "
so will I

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"By 2040 diesel and petrol cars will be long gone. so will I "

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By *VBethTV/TS
over a year ago

Chester

I can't get angry about it given that it's 23 years (and probably a few cars) away yet. I currently drive a diesel with a £30 yearly tax that just did a return journey to Leeds from Basingstoke on less than 3/4 of a tank and was recharged (with more diesel) in under 5 minutes.

I'm sure that will be the norm for non fossil fuel cars long before 2040 but there will need to be huge upgrades in infrastructure, charging points, fuel stations, LOTS of new power stations etc before we can even consider switching.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"time to get a cheap diesal half price

not as if it will be on the road in 2040

But the chances are it will be in 3 years....and Middlesbrough council is a target area for hitting on diesel pollution taxes

i use red so ive no concern

no but vosa might be intrested to here that

The best part is....I've seen him on other threads saying he doesn't drive...uses taxis

Take what you read as a pinch of salt

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i rarely use a taxi and if i do usually i will intend to drink.. ttry not to take the threads to heart or too seriously

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By *entralscotscpl7Couple
over a year ago

Falkirk

After just watching a interview with the environmental minister I think your right. It's just a money making exercise by the government.

Probably be forgotten about by the end of the year.

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By *iss_Samantha_LovecockTV/TS
over a year ago

bmth /poole sometimes blandford

almost makes me laugh.. banging on about the evil of diesel car emissions when theyre spraying fuck knows what out of the back planes day in and day out.. petrol fumes are so much better for us ..

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"The chance are that electric will not be the only way to power a car, or at least not the current plug in for 12 Hours process.

Military vehicles are making the move to electric, this is a good start as most technological innovation are spin offs from either the defence or space industries.

I'm looking forward to being able to purchase an X-drive vehicle in 10 years time when the price reaches an equivalent point to standard petrol vehicles now.

Which military vehicles are using electric? Genuinely interested.

Thank you that's interesting. Scout has a diesel engine but i did find some articles about qinetiq developing the system you said.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well it all comes down to wether you think you've got a right to kill people because you really have to get to work and it's raining and you bought a house miles away!!... Sure if that's your logical conclusion to the problem then obviously my logical conclusion would be you need to be thrown off a cliff, see it doesn't get us anywhere except a big pile of dead bodies.

Your emissions are sending people to early graves and just like smoking it needs to go where it can't.

Diesels will still be in place but city and town centres im afraid your just going to have to accept you can't be!

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Well it all comes down to wether you think you've got a right to kill people because you really have to get to work and it's raining and you bought a house miles away!!... Sure if that's your logical conclusion to the problem then obviously my logical conclusion would be you need to be thrown off a cliff, see it doesn't get us anywhere except a big pile of dead bodies.

Your emissions are sending people to early graves and just like smoking it needs to go where it can't.

Diesels will still be in place but city and town centres im afraid your just going to have to accept you can't be!

Calm down dear, it's just a temporary life

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Your emissions are sending people to early graves and just like smoking it needs to go where it can't.

Diesels will still be in place but city and town centres im afraid your just going to have to accept you can't be!

Calm down dear, it's just a temporary life"
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Get knotted you...I ain't coming back as no hedgehog while these fuckers are still about

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Diesel engines are much cleaner and efficient than they were say 10 years ago, in 10 years time they could be much more cleaner and efficient than petrol engines.

As for phasing them out, they stopped production of 2stroke engines in motorcycles many years ago but you still see a few of them riding about.

Just to throw a spanner in the works...

Oh, let me just fit 5 people on a motorcycle including holiday lugagge as we drive through heavy rain...

Was that sarcasm or stupidity??

I didn't suggest banning cars, but it could reduce the amount of 5 seater cars on the road with only 1 person in it!

You dont have to be a tree hugger to help save the environment, sometimes a little common sense will suffice.

The planet doesn't need saving, the people do. Bit that's a different matter.

Reality is motorcycles are not as practical as cars so removing some of them won't do any good.

We're trying to improve the quality not reduce the quantity.

If the human race doesn't do it's bit to save the planet it won't be able to sustain life."

The planet doesn't need saving.

Because if the planet will no longer be habitable it will just go through another one of its cycles and be fine.

Humans won't be fine...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The planet doesn't need saving.

Because if the planet will no longer be habitable it will just go through another one of its cycles and be fine.

Humans won't be fine..."
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Shush now, people need a shiny car in their lives that can accelerate away at traffic lights or they will cwy.

Its their money, they earned it and there'll buy what they want and do what they want and no government stool pigeon will stop them!!!!... Or it will be riot time.. Well soon as they put their seat belt on, coz nobody likes a stupid early death,

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By *aul1973HullMan
over a year ago

East Hull

The planet doesn't need saving.

Because if the planet will no longer be habitable it will just go through another one of its cycles and be fine.

Humans won't be fine....

And just where are humans gonna live during the several million years it will take for earth to go through another one it's cycles?

The same planet your on?!

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By *ehind blue eyes38Man
over a year ago

Hunstanton

"By 2040 diesel and petrol cars will be long gone. "

No you won't be able to buy a new one, you will still be able to drive a petrol or diesel car.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"By 2040 diesel and petrol cars will be long gone.

No you won't be able to buy a new one, you will still be able to drive a petrol or diesel car."

I think you'll find you won't. ...it's zero carbon by 2040.

So that would say no.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The planet doesn't need saving.

Because if the planet will no longer be habitable it will just go through another one of its cycles and be fine.

Humans won't be fine....

And just where are humans gonna live during the several million years it will take for earth to go through another one it's cycles?

The same planet your on?!"

Under the ground making fossil fuel for the next species to invent the internal combustion engine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So the new proposal to axe diesels by 2040 seems a long way off.

But they have announced they are going to allow councils to charge pollution fees by 2020 on diesels!

Do you think this is fair...whilst not adding a scrapage scheme as yet?

Prices are falling on diesels like a lead balloon now

Mine went back to garage on Monday. I've reverted back to a petrol car.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"So the new proposal to axe diesels by 2040 seems a long way off.

But they have announced they are going to allow councils to charge pollution fees by 2020 on diesels!

Do you think this is fair...whilst not adding a scrapage scheme as yet?

Prices are falling on diesels like a lead balloon now

Mine went back to garage on Monday. I've reverted back to a petrol car. "

I would think that's a wise choice so long as you've not lost too much

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't think this will happen as soon as that especially on a global scale.

Yes the technology is there but the infrastructure to support it isn't."

This...

The government has got to work out how to replace all the revenue that they will loose firstly

secondly they are constantly looking at ways to get more...This will the case in whatever they try to promote and push.

To reply to a couple people about jumping over to electric because it's cleaner. ..that's clearly overlooking the huge carbon footprint n that's involved in producing electric cars and their storage systems. Going electric will be pushed for two reasons...

a) it's a false thinking they are cleaner. To charge them the cost is higher.

b) you'll be even more controlled by elctricity pricing.

c) It's a way of controlling people...limit their options.

d) the cost of electronic cars will be very high. They'll have as with all electronics a built in lifetime which is a fraction of mechanical systems. They will be completely controlled by dealership servicing too.

I could go on and on... electric isn't the best way forward.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So the new proposal to axe diesels by 2040 seems a long way off.

But they have announced they are going to allow councils to charge pollution fees by 2020 on diesels!

Do you think this is fair...whilst not adding a scrapage scheme as yet?

Prices are falling on diesels like a lead balloon now

Mine went back to garage on Monday. I've reverted back to a petrol car.

I would think that's a wise choice so long as you've not lost too much

It would take a long time to save on fuel what you'd save in the huge price drops... Secondly

very few keep a car more than 5/ 6 years.

I'd be very happy to by a D car with 130, 000 on the clock and have her for another 100,000. You can't do that with a petrol car.

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By *obbytupperMan
over a year ago

Menston near Ilkley

"So the new proposal to axe diesels by 2040 seems a long way off.

But they have announced they are going to allow councils to charge pollution fees by 2020 on diesels!

Do you think this is fair...whilst not adding a scrapage scheme as yet?

Prices are falling on diesels like a lead balloon now

Windmill's of course.pmsl

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

The government are the bad guys here, allowing thousands of deaths in the UK each year, whilst pretty much having done nothing about it. They've tried to con the legal system too and avoid responsibilities for publishing their actions plan for years.

Shifting action and probable ill will on to local authorities that they have bled dry, as well as the population tries to reflect attention from abysmal Conservative party policies and having done nothing.

Local areas will suffer as people avoid places with high tariffs, meaning you and your toen suffers decline of revenue in all likelihood.

The atrocious Theresa May and co should have been working on this health catastrophe for years - they didn't, though some very wealthy people got very rich, thank you very much. Their priorities are not you and your health.

We do need an integrated plan but mainly using a stick against the population because the Conservatives took no action to help you earlier, is a derisory effort.

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By *htcMan
over a year ago

too many issues with banning all diesel and petrol cars by 2040.

where is the power going to come from, we barely have enough power at current just for houses and businesses. where will all this power come from we would need to build dozens of power stations.

next issue it means all petrol stations will go bankrupt and close.

next issue all car parks and every space in the country would need to have every space fitted with a power socket.

battery's don't last long for a journey so what about people who travel daily hundreds of miles one way.

what about vans lorrys and other trucks that run on diesel.

battery recycling every few years, at current your charged for disposal even tho they are worth alot of money.

car tax will be nill so will be replaced by electric car tax.

better get on the phone to china and tell them to start plans for loads of power stations built in a few years time

list goes on....

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By *ohnaronMan
over a year ago

london

We need three new nuclear power stations. Even if we start now they won't be built in time. Cars or blacked out cities: you choose.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"By 2040 diesel and petrol cars will be long gone. "
id still be driving a v engine of some sort...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The planet doesn't need saving.

Because if the planet will no longer be habitable it will just go through another one of its cycles and be fine.

Humans won't be fine....

And just where are humans gonna live during the several million years it will take for earth to go through another one it's cycles?

The same planet your on?!"

No idea, not my problem. All I said is that the planet doesn't need saving because whatever happens it will be fine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"By 2040 diesel and petrol cars will be long gone. id still be driving a v engine of some sort... "

Assuming it will be legal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anyone else feel that someone has invested heavily in battery production and there is an ulterior motive for this...money

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Closer inspection of the announcement says wholly diesel or petrol powered. So a diesel electric will still be allowed after 2040.

So actually not much progress or change needed over what is expected anyway.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So the new proposal to axe diesels by 2040 seems a long way off.

But they have announced they are going to allow councils to charge pollution fees by 2020 on diesels!

Do you think this is fair...whilst not adding a scrapage scheme as yet?

Prices are falling on diesels like a lead balloon now

Mine went back to garage on Monday. I've reverted back to a petrol car.

I would think that's a wise choice so long as you've not lost too much

It would take a long time to save on fuel what you'd save in the huge price drops... Secondly

very few keep a car more than 5/ 6 years.

I'd be very happy to by a D car with 130, 000 on the clock and have her for another 100,000. You can't do that with a petrol car."
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Yes you can I had a BMW with 400,000 on the clock with one minor engine rebuild, diesels used to last longer on metal wear for one pretty simple reason, they didn't rev very high.

A modern petrol engine properly looked after should last no less than 200,000

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We won't be driving cars in 2040 anyway. Computers will.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

this thread should be about van diesal

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By *ohnaronMan
over a year ago

london

"Anyone else feel that someone has invested heavily in battery production and there is an ulterior motive for this...money"

Yeah. One suspects battery leasing will be the new. rip-off game.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Anyone else feel that someone has invested heavily in battery production and there is an ulterior motive for this...money

Yeah. One suspects battery leasing will be the new. rip-off game."

i hope not the dildo's on fab are in overdrive

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"this thread should be about van diesal"

Vans are only really available in diesel... at least propped sized ones.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"this thread should be about van diesal

Vans are only really available in diesel... at least propped sized ones."

Or propper sized

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

Also.. petrol and diesel will not be banned in 2040, just the sale of new ones. There will still need to be provision for them for many more years.

Cal

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By *urreyfun2008Man
over a year ago

East Grinstead

"Closer inspection of the announcement says wholly diesel or petrol powered. So a diesel electric will still be allowed after 2040.

So actually not much progress or change needed over what is expected anyway."

At last someone who has read announcement ie hybrids will still be allowed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Guess that means all new cars after the rule comes into effect will be automatics!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Could I attatch a dynamo to a wheel and the headlights?

That's a Hybrid right?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Guess that means all new cars after the rule comes into effect will be automatics! "

I can't stand automatic cars

A little bit of me dies inside when I see the new hot hatches using auto

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By *ire_bladeMan
over a year ago

Manchester

"Could I attatch a dynamo to a wheel and the headlights?

That's a Hybrid right?

It's as close as ether of us will ever want to get

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Could I attatch a dynamo to a wheel and the headlights?

That's a Hybrid right?

It's as close as ether of us will ever want to get

I'll be making sure I've got the sound of a K20 recorded to play through a loudspeaker on top of my car in 2040

I've driven automatic cars - hated it

I've driven electric cars - hated it

I've driven diesel cars - hated

There's a pattern forming here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Guess that means all new cars after the rule comes into effect will be automatics! "

Driverless Uber more like.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm exctied for the f150 hybrid personally, hopefully fully electric and autopilot version will follow soon after

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By *ire_bladeMan
over a year ago

Manchester

"Could I attatch a dynamo to a wheel and the headlights?

That's a Hybrid right?

It's as close as ether of us will ever want to get

I'll be making sure I've got the sound of a K20 recorded to play through a loudspeaker on top of my car in 2040

I've driven automatic cars - hated it

I've driven electric cars - hated it

I've driven diesel cars - hated

There's a pattern forming here

Just a small 1 maybe

To be fair I quite like modern diesels. It's a different kinda driving but if you can feel it they are bloody good. Can you tell I do some crazy miles

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Anyone else feel that someone has invested heavily in battery production and there is an ulterior motive for this...money"

The government. ..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Closer inspection of the announcement says wholly diesel or petrol powered. So a diesel electric will still be allowed after 2040.

So actually not much progress or change needed over what is expected anyway.

At last someone who has read announcement ie hybrids will still be allowed"
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They really won't honestly.

This is about air pollution not c02 reduction, basically diesels are killing people in a scale not seen by cigarettes, alcohol and drugs combined.

You won't be driving a diesel in any town or city centre within ten years

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Anyone else feel that someone has invested heavily in battery production and there is an ulterior motive for this...money

The government. ..

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Yeah like governments make no money on fossil fuels

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By *ylan11Man
over a year ago

osterley

It's so unfair especially when the government said diesel was good when it first came out and even like you said discounted it .

Partical pollution is bad as it creates a issue , it must be sever because the government is banning it . Partical pollution is massive at the moment

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Guess that means all new cars after the rule comes into effect will be automatics!

I can't stand automatic cars

A little bit of me dies inside when I see the new hot hatches using auto

If you buy a hot hatch after the date it's going to be an auto... if they're still making hot hates by then...

It might all by family style Toyota Prius type things!

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By *ire_bladeMan
over a year ago

Manchester

"Guess that means all new cars after the rule comes into effect will be automatics!

I can't stand automatic cars

A little bit of me dies inside when I see the new hot hatches using auto

If you buy a hot hatch after the date it's going to be an auto... if they're still making hot hates by then...

It might all by family style Toyota Prius type things! "

Ye but riding 20 inch rims on elastic bands

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

watch Blood Drive...its got environmentally friendly cars...just not people friendly

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By *aren1956TV/TS
over a year ago

Fakenham

One simple question, how are the government going to replace the tax take on fossil fuel cars?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"One simple question, how are the government going to replace the tax take on fossil fuel cars? "

They'll have been taxing electric vehicles for years by then.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's so unfair especially when the government said diesel was good when it first came out and even like you said discounted it .

Partical pollution is bad as it creates a issue , it must be sever because the government is banning it . Partical pollution is massive at the moment "
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They encouraged its use as a simple short term solution to c02 output, Alas like all politicans they didn't listen to experts opinions on what the outcome would be, the air pollution you see today is NOT unexpected, we've warned against this for twenty years, your seeing the tip of the iceberg, the hundreds of thousands that are "linked" will soon be confirmed.

Proving correlation to causation is always tricky

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"One simple question, how are the government going to replace the tax take on fossil fuel cars?

They'll have been taxing electric vehicles for years by then."

The bottom line is the government would go bankrupt if we all went green overnight.

It's exactly the same with smoking and alcohol, the tax revenues far out weighs the cost to the NHS with smoke/alcohol related illnesses.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"One simple question, how are the government going to replace the tax take on fossil fuel cars?

They'll have been taxing electric vehicles for years by then.

The bottom line is the government would go bankrupt if we all went green overnight.

It's exactly the same with smoking and alcohol, the tax revenues far out weighs the cost to the NHS with smoke/alcohol related illnesses."
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Yes here we are all drinking and smoking less than we used to...

You do know there's more than 1 tax available to tax you on don't you

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"One simple question, how are the government going to replace the tax take on fossil fuel cars?

They'll have been taxing electric vehicles for years by then.

The bottom line is the government would go bankrupt if we all went green overnight.

It's exactly the same with smoking and alcohol, the tax revenues far out weighs the cost to the NHS with smoke/alcohol related illnesses..

Yes here we are all drinking and smoking less than we used to...

You do know there's more than 1 tax available to tax you on don't you

Are you still on here preaching to the doomed?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"One simple question, how are the government going to replace the tax take on fossil fuel cars?

They'll have been taxing electric vehicles for years by then.

The bottom line is the government would go bankrupt if we all went green overnight.

It's exactly the same with smoking and alcohol, the tax revenues far out weighs the cost to the NHS with smoke/alcohol related illnesses..

Yes here we are all drinking and smoking less than we used to...

You do know there's more than 1 tax available to tax you on don't you

Are you still on here preaching to the doomed? "
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Aha...

I get that feeling sometimes of the engineer on the Titanic, come on people we've hit the fucking iceberg and were going down, stop playing your mucic you tits and get the fuck off.... Oh shut up, this ships unsinkable.

Whatever

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There lovable lemmings... Oh dear my grandchild has just been diagnosed with acute asthma, fire up the Audi 1.9 TDI... I'm taking them to Maccyds to cheer them up!

To be honest the sooner they all gas themselves the better off the planet will be, but still...I just can't help chopping their cheeks coz their adorable little fuckers

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"One simple question, how are the government going to replace the tax take on fossil fuel cars?

They'll have been taxing electric vehicles for years by then.

The bottom line is the government would go bankrupt if we all went green overnight.

It's exactly the same with smoking and alcohol, the tax revenues far out weighs the cost to the NHS with smoke/alcohol related illnesses..

Yes here we are all drinking and smoking less than we used to...

You do know there's more than 1 tax available to tax you on don't you

Are you still on here preaching to the doomed? .

Aha...

Whatever

We would like another brandy.

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By *ire_bladeMan
over a year ago

Manchester

"One simple question, how are the government going to replace the tax take on fossil fuel cars?

They'll have been taxing electric vehicles for years by then.

The bottom line is the government would go bankrupt if we all went green overnight.

It's exactly the same with smoking and alcohol, the tax revenues far out weighs the cost to the NHS with smoke/alcohol related illnesses..

Yes here we are all drinking and smoking less than we used to...

You do know there's more than 1 tax available to tax you on don't you

Are you still on here preaching to the doomed? .

Aha...

Whatever

We would like another brandy. "

Make mine a triple

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"One simple question, how are the government going to replace the tax take on fossil fuel cars?

They'll have been taxing electric vehicles for years by then.

The bottom line is the government would go bankrupt if we all went green overnight.

It's exactly the same with smoking and alcohol, the tax revenues far out weighs the cost to the NHS with smoke/alcohol related illnesses..

Yes here we are all drinking and smoking less than we used to...

You do know there's more than 1 tax available to tax you on don't you

Are you still on here preaching to the doomed? "

Well, obviously I'm still on here but not sure about the preaching though, always thought that preaching required listeners and quite rightly no one does that to me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"One simple question, how are the government going to replace the tax take on fossil fuel cars?

They'll have been taxing electric vehicles for years by then.

The bottom line is the government would go bankrupt if we all went green overnight.

It's exactly the same with smoking and alcohol, the tax revenues far out weighs the cost to the NHS with smoke/alcohol related illnesses..

Yes here we are all drinking and smoking less than we used to...

You do know there's more than 1 tax available to tax you on don't you

Are you still on here preaching to the doomed? .

Aha...

Whatever

We would like another brandy. "
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Brandy makes you randy!

I prefer gin myself

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The bottom line is the government would go bankrupt if we all went green overnight. "

The government can't go bankrupt, the country could, but I bet the government would still collect salary plus expenses when the last nurse policeman and "insert pupils servant job here" have been laid off due to lack of funds.

But as per usual when one tax falls another will rise and stuff will go on.

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By *ids_NaughtyCouple
over a year ago

West Midlands

Think people missing a few points here.

There multiple drivers here at play.

Fossil fuels running out, and also a lot of political risks on who will have what’s left of it and the power that give them, so as a country we don’t want to find we lose control.

Tax isn’t the concern, but moving to a new world as soon as possible means the effect of tax revenues is fixed before it becomes a problem.

It’s not just about being green, diesel is more environmentally friendly technically, but it’s not particularly good for immediate local environment or people’s health. Diesel will go far quicker than petrol, getting rid of use of petrol is co2 and the environment.

Someone mentioned aircraft, actually aircraft are less damaging from a co2 point of view, there other factors that are the issue, and actually ships are far more daminging than aircraft. Airlines and aircraft manufactures are far more advanced when it comes to minimising fuel use,

Other countries(Norway have already banned diesel cars in the city..so actually the uk government are playing catch up.

I agree hitting the average motorist is wrong, when alternatives are not in place, when actually removing the large number of trucks etc on the road, which are far more damaging on a whole number of fronts ( damage roads, diesel, create congestion so ultimately cause other motorists to use more fuel, produce more co2, and harmful emissions) are what should be targeted, smart motorways like in Germany that at times ban hgv from coming out of the inside lane would me more effective, than stupid variable speed limits, increased motorway speeds also would reduce congestion, and lorries cause more deaths and accidents on roads than, drink drivers, and speeding combined. HGV IS Easier to address also, as it can be moved to rail, air etc and to distribution hubs(again many other countries have this infrastructure) it’s harder to move individuals onto public transport than it would be to move freight onto other means.

2040 is actually a long way away, lower orbit space travel, is likely to be in place(even if only for the better off) the need to travel for many occupations will have reduced, due to technology and changes in industry( ask coal miners 20 years before the last pit closed if they thought they would still be in a job.

In 20 years time, tech like graphine will be mainstream, the massive investment by car makers will see battery tech, the ability to use h20 as a fuel etc all could be in place. Remote charging etc, 20 years ago, mobile phones were in there infancy, wifi didn’t really exist and certainly not at home. The internet in fact had only been around for a few years. Your iPhone is more powerful than the computer that put man on the moon.

The only thing that will prevent anything, will be humans and their attitude(fear)of change.

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By *ohn8210tCouple
over a year ago

Warwick

We've read most of the thread. This new 'High speed 2 ' train set that's proposed ,ploughs its way through the British countryside with complete abandon to 'The Environment'.

Apparently within 1 mile of us there is to be a 4 acre site with 4 massive Diesel engines running 24/7 powering generators to provide electricity for a small percentage of the track .

Will these be banned before they are built we wonder. Lorries ( running on diesel) will be needed every day to fill the diesel tanks to run said engines.

Will all the construction equipment running for 17 years ( at best) to build said railway be converted to run on alternative energy ?

Away from HS2,what about construction/ demolition industry machines in cities ? Will all these machines be found alternative power plants? Will all the diesel trains be axed or converted too ? Agriculture uses massive amounts of diesel fuel in this country ( and worldwide. ) Canal boat holidays? All the boats / barges we know of run on Diesel engines.

What is the governments position on all these one wonders?

We know one thing , there is a fuel we could all use in what seems like an inexhaustible supply ... hot air from from politicians !

Yes we all welcome a cleaner air/environment and things must keep evolving. It's just our stance on things!

Looking forward to comments, please be constructive.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

Did you know... Mr Diesel actually designed his engine running on peanut oil. Just think of all the allergy sufferers we would have now if that had continued.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The technology is advancing but until they make batteries better long range travel will be a thing of the past unless you want to spend half the journey time charging your car..unless they made the batteries interchangeable so instead of filling up with fossil fuel at service you changed your flat battery for a charged one. Or is the government after banning people from long distance travel now. The whole public transport need's to be addressed but better still I am sure manufacturers will make a better exhaust fitted with a filter capable of removing the harmful emissions.

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By *ddit...Man
over a year ago

Land of the giants... ;-)

My opinion... diesel cars have been pushed onto the population by government's for years like drug pushers who don't know what the drugs are made from... for health reasons... for enviromental reasons and fuel economy. Suddenly they panic because they are about to get some serious fines for pollution and start to realise that they should check that what the manufacturer's are saying about the diesel is true... and they find it isn't.. not good to the environment.. unhealthy.. lower mpg than advertised due to tricks in testing. The goverment is guilty of ignorance... the manufacturer's are guilty of fraud and cover up.. the people are guilty of nothing. We get punished because the government hasn't got the balls to punish the manufacturer's. ...

Sorry for the rant..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So the new proposal to axe diesels by 2040 seems a long way off.

But they have announced they are going to allow councils to charge pollution fees by 2020 on diesels!

Do you think this is fair...whilst not adding a scrapage scheme as yet?

Prices are falling on diesels like a lead balloon now

Scheming money grabbing bastards is all I can say.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Life isn't fair, just got to live with it.

Diesel should be the preserve of hgv's and vans. "

Why ? On what do you base your beliefs ?

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By *utie91Woman
over a year ago

Hitchin

"So the new proposal to axe diesels by 2040 seems a long way off.

But they have announced they are going to allow councils to charge pollution fees by 2020 on diesels!

Do you think this is fair...whilst not adding a scrapage scheme as yet?

Prices are falling on diesels like a lead balloon now

I'm also guessing that nobody has thought about the ambulance and police services either... we run our vehicles 24/7 some times without giving them a rest for days... how are we ment to charge them up.... oh I'm sorry that your relative is dying but my battery is flat on my ambulance and we will be another 2 hours whilst it is charging

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

We may all be driving fantastic cars, on a pooled basis. Careful what you leave in them.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Sorry I can't answer everyone on this thread.

But it has been very interesting reading through the comments so far

I myself have my views on this as in...I think gove will be long gone when this comes into action as will most of the politicians around today.

So whatever our views on this I feel they have definitely pasted the buck on this one.

As for the right and wrongs of it all...I think time will see on that one

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The true carbon footprint of a vehicles has actually little todo with eemissions. It's real damaging issue is in the manufacture.

Someone changing their car every 3 or 4 yrs will be contributing more to damaging the environment than someone driving around in the same diesel car for 200, 000 miles over 20 yrs. His spare parts will also cause less of a footprint than for newer cars.

The government and social medias has cleverly got people to look at the wrong things...

It was so clear how it was being portrayed on the news too.... smoother exhaust. Never showed the industrial waste the goes into producing all our 'throw away products' that have planned life failure parts in them that means it's cheaper to buy a new one instead of fixing it. This goes for cars now too with all the unnecessary electronics in them.

Its easier to see a glass of dirty water and think it'll be more harmful than a clearer glass with unseen diseases in it. Knowing water, I'd be careful of either.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's all horse shit. How much pollution is created by the thousands of aircraft taking off and landing over most city's? Are they introducing electic powered aircraft ?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"It's all horse shit. How much pollution is created by the thousands of aircraft taking off and landing over most city's? Are they introducing electic powered aircraft ?"

No solar will be next...there's already some out there but they are in the early stages still.

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By *ohn8210tCouple
over a year ago

Warwick

No not electric powered aircraft , but maybe elastic band powered - hee hee!

All the passengers get out and wind up propellers, jump in quick and let her fly !!!

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By *arehamMan
over a year ago

handforth

Think of all the hundreds of thousands of people that will be put out of work the government won't want them on the dole.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Think of all the hundreds of thousands of people that will be put out of work the government won't want them on the dole.

They will all be employed. Peddling like mad on fixed bikes with dynamos to power all the car chargers

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By *entleman_spyMan
over a year ago

nearby

The whole thing is a nice sound bite that will amount to nothing. In 20 years it will be a whole different government generation, who will be able to blame the lack of technological advancement for it not happening. I mean the iPhone is ten years old this year and in the grand scheme it's not moved on a whole load from that first one. And the battery still does not last more than a day. In fact the prius was put to market 20 years ago and that tech has not moved on that much in that time even with tesla on the scene.

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By *htcMan
over a year ago

When it comes to selling my car I'm seriously thinking about selling to a company who ship to Africa. Or other country who wants it. No point in selling in UK after 2020 as no one will went them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The whole thing is a nice sound bite that will amount to nothing. In 20 years it will be a whole different government generation, who will be able to blame the lack of technological advancement for it not happening. I mean the iPhone is ten years old this year and in the grand scheme it's not moved on a whole load from that first one. And the battery still does not last more than a day. In fact the prius was put to market 20 years ago and that tech has not moved on that much in that time even with tesla on the scene. "

Try using a first generation iphone today and you might eat those words.

From what I'm told battery technology is a problem though in that the technologies aren't progressing that quickly. But 20 years is a huge amount of time for this stuff and car manufacturers are more concerned by the changing patterns of car ownership than the technologies driving them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just keep driving it, if it survives to 2040 you will be quids in

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

"By 2040 diesel and petrol cars will be long gone. "

Everyone will be cycling

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"By 2040 diesel and petrol cars will be long gone.

Everyone will be cycling"

Electric?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The true carbon footprint of a vehicles has actually little todo with eemissions. It's real damaging issue is in the manufacture.

The government and social medias has cleverly got people to look at the wrong things...

Its easier to see a glass of dirty water and think it'll be more harmful than a clearer glass with unseen diseases in it. Knowing water, I'd be careful of either.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Im thinking how delightfully cheap a v6 alfa may become in a few years... silver lining and all that

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Im thinking how delightfully cheap a v6 alfa may become in a few years... silver lining and all that

It will be worth bugger all either way

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By *irkby coupleCouple
over a year ago

Kirkby

"Life isn't fair, just got to live with it.

Diesel should be the preserve of hgv's and vans.

I agree but all governments past have been plugging them...so is it not down to them to offer reasonable compensation to people who have recently bought them?

As for electric. Are the not just moving the pollution issue to powerstations?"

Why compensate anyone who bought a diesel on advice from the gov.

If you bought a car because the hoc advised you to then your an idiot!

My understanding is there is talk about a scrapage scheme for older diesels, but in my opinion older diesels give out more pollution, but it's less harmful to us.

Think of it this way, in the olden days when you seen big clouds of black smoke, you walked around it, the particles was so big you could see them and you had to some how ingest them.

Now exhaust particles are so small you no longer see clouds of smoke, the particles are so small you can't see them and your body now absorbs them.

As said above, diesel should only be for certain vehicles.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

Weird isn't it. Now that we import all of our diesel, rather than refine it ourselves, it's really really bad for you...

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By *uteness69Woman
over a year ago

Walthamstow

So many lazy people driving when they could easily get the train, polluting our air with their selfish desires.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"So the new proposal to axe diesels by 2040 seems a long way off.

But they have announced they are going to allow councils to charge pollution fees by 2020 on diesels!

Do you think this is fair...whilst not adding a scrapage scheme as yet?

Prices are falling on diesels like a lead balloon now

I mentioned that in my second post

Tesla's in the US can be recharged, free of charge, at their solar powered stations. Or if you dont want to wait, you can have your empty battery swapped out for a fresh, fully charged one automatically by robots. It takes less than half the time as it takes to full up a petrol/diesel car at a pump, as costs the same. So yes, someone has thought of where the electricity will come from.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

" Weird isn't it. Now that we import all of our diesel, rather than refine it ourselves, it's really really bad for you..."

Just had a look and yeah interesting

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Firstly diesel car prices are not dropping - check the proper used car pricing guides like CAP and Glasses. Even if it was then you have to look at the running costs and its still cheaper go run a diesel car especially if your car is large.

Secondly electric is not the solution unless they find a new type of battery. Lithium reserves are estimated to be 355 years at the current usage. However if global trend of encouraging electric cars then this could reduce to under 17 years!

Yes manufacturers like Telsa, Volvo and Toyota are moving hard on hybrids but you look at Mazda who are doing nothing. Why? Because of the batteries. Their focus is on the cleaner engine.

The design of an electric engine hasn't changed in years. What we need to see is a radical change in batteries or a viable alternative power.

Yes the government can make these demands but let's face it, if no viable solution presents itself by 2040 then this rule will change again.

Batteries have improved but they are still too expensive, don't have enough charge and take too long to charge.

You also have to factor in the tax the government gets from petrol and diesel.

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