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"A young girl goes missing just before her fourth birthday. The circumstances are that she was left alone while her parents go out for a meal with friends. She is never found. No one knows if she is alive or dead. If she is alive she would now be 8 years old. Question : Assuming the girl has been loved and well cared for. Should she be returned to her blood parents ? Why yes and why no ?" Of course yes. There is no 'why'. | |||
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"If the child was yours you'd know the answer * S¡Ts iN CrYp¡T * -|-" That's not really an answer is it Mr. Rolley eyes. | |||
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"I wouldn't give her back, no parents go out and leave a four year old alone and unsupervised while they are having dinner. If the child is not dead and has been cared for and well looked after then perhaps they should ask the child who she wants to stay with. At the risk of the wrath of every parent here, think about who is guilty of abuse here? Who is the one who didn't abduct the child but rescued it from what they saw as neglect? " By that reckoning they shouldn't be able to keep the children they have now? Lots of people make mistakes, theirs was a huge one with tragic results, but it is still their child. | |||
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"I wouldn't give her back, no parents go out and leave a four year old alone and unsupervised while they are having dinner. If the child is not dead and has been cared for and well looked after then perhaps they should ask the child who she wants to stay with. At the risk of the wrath of every parent here, think about who is guilty of abuse here? Who is the one who didn't abduct the child but rescued it from what they saw as neglect? By that reckoning they shouldn't be able to keep the children they have now? Lots of people make mistakes, theirs was a huge one with tragic results, but it is still their child." This wasn't about Madeleine, this was a hypothetical answer to a hypothetical question. On the subject of Maddy, I suspect she is dead and her parents were involved. | |||
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"She should be returned then put in care and the parents charged for neglect for leaving her in th first place If this was a family in council flat this would be the case but as they not it won't be done" No charges have been brought regarding the 'neglect' of the twins. When all is said and done she was abducted. Which is an offence in it self | |||
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"I wouldn't give her back, no parents go out and leave a four year old alone and unsupervised while they are having dinner. If the child is not dead and has been cared for and well looked after then perhaps they should ask the child who she wants to stay with. At the risk of the wrath of every parent here, think about who is guilty of abuse here? Who is the one who didn't abduct the child but rescued it from what they saw as neglect? By that reckoning they shouldn't be able to keep the children they have now? Lots of people make mistakes, theirs was a huge one with tragic results, but it is still their child. This wasn't about Madeleine, this was a hypothetical answer to a hypothetical question. On the subject of Maddy, I suspect she is dead and her parents were involved. " Hypothetically ....if the person had other children when the child went missing would all the children be taken from the parents? | |||
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"She should be returned then put in care and the parents charged for neglect for leaving her in th first place If this was a family in council flat this would be the case but as they not it won't be done No charges have been brought regarding the 'neglect' of the twins. When all is said and done she was abducted. Which is an offence in it self" Ano ain't it funny how no charges made if was poor family them kids would been took away too I just struggle to get past thru knowingly left there children alone while they went to hav meal and drink No parent would do that and I hate the comment we all do or done it No my parents never did and would found place to go were kids were welcome or done somethin else They neglected 3 babies for a drink and meal but no one mentions that just oh poor ppl but it's not random in abduction cases the ppl watch and monitor before acting, so they knew the children were alone, so this wasn't a one of thing cos the abductor would have had to know they had time to act | |||
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"I wouldn't give her back, no parents go out and leave a four year old alone and unsupervised while they are having dinner. If the child is not dead and has been cared for and well looked after then perhaps they should ask the child who she wants to stay with. At the risk of the wrath of every parent here, think about who is guilty of abuse here? Who is the one who didn't abduct the child but rescued it from what they saw as neglect? By that reckoning they shouldn't be able to keep the children they have now? Lots of people make mistakes, theirs was a huge one with tragic results, but it is still their child. This wasn't about Madeleine, this was a hypothetical answer to a hypothetical question. On the subject of Maddy, I suspect she is dead and her parents were involved. Hypothetically ....if the person had other children when the child went missing would all the children be taken from the parents? " Another question entirely from the OP's but, Hypothetically I'd have looked at charging them with neglect if all the children had been left alone, and let them shoulder the consequences of the law. | |||
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"She should be returned then put in care and the parents charged for neglect for leaving her in th first place If this was a family in council flat this would be the case but as they not it won't be done No charges have been brought regarding the 'neglect' of the twins. When all is said and done she was abducted. Which is an offence in it self Ano ain't it funny how no charges made if was poor family them kids would been took away too I just struggle to get past thru knowingly left there children alone while they went to hav meal and drink No parent would do that and I hate the comment we all do or done it No my parents never did and would found place to go were kids were welcome or done somethin else They neglected 3 babies for a drink and meal but no one mentions that just oh poor ppl but it's not random in abduction cases the ppl watch and monitor before acting, so they knew the children were alone, so this wasn't a one of thing cos the abductor would have had to know they had time to act " It wasn't a one off, they had done the same thing most nights. | |||
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"I wouldn't give her back, no parents go out and leave a four year old alone and unsupervised while they are having dinner. If the child is not dead and has been cared for and well looked after then perhaps they should ask the child who she wants to stay with. At the risk of the wrath of every parent here, think about who is guilty of abuse here? Who is the one who didn't abduct the child but rescued it from what they saw as neglect? By that reckoning they shouldn't be able to keep the children they have now? Lots of people make mistakes, theirs was a huge one with tragic results, but it is still their child. This wasn't about Madeleine, this was a hypothetical answer to a hypothetical question. On the subject of Maddy, I suspect she is dead and her parents were involved. Hypothetically ....if the person had other children when the child went missing would all the children be taken from the parents? Another question entirely from the OP's but, Hypothetically I'd have looked at charging them with neglect if all the children had been left alone, and let them shoulder the consequences of the law. " Wow, I didn't realise you were a stickler of sticking to the OP until now. Will leave you to it. | |||
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" Hypothetically ....if the person had other children when the child went missing would all the children be taken from the parents? " Sorry I may have misread that, are you asking why all three had not been abducted? | |||
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"I wouldn't give her back, no parents go out and leave a four year old alone and unsupervised while they are having dinner. If the child is not dead and has been cared for and well looked after then perhaps they should ask the child who she wants to stay with. At the risk of the wrath of every parent here, think about who is guilty of abuse here? Who is the one who didn't abduct the child but rescued it from what they saw as neglect? By that reckoning they shouldn't be able to keep the children they have now? Lots of people make mistakes, theirs was a huge one with tragic results, but it is still their child. This wasn't about Madeleine, this was a hypothetical answer to a hypothetical question. On the subject of Maddy, I suspect she is dead and her parents were involved. Hypothetically ....if the person had other children when the child went missing would all the children be taken from the parents? Another question entirely from the OP's but, Hypothetically I'd have looked at charging them with neglect if all the children had been left alone, and let them shoulder the consequences of the law. Wow, I didn't realise you were a stickler of sticking to the OP until now. Will leave you to it. " I'm not always a stickler for sticking to OP's but this was a hypothetical post about one child. I answered on the scenario given and as it was read. I didn't allow any thoughts of the McCann family or their dilemma enter my head, because that is a real life emotional turmoil of a subject which would be too volatile to touch on. | |||
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"I wouldn't give her back, no parents go out and leave a four year old alone and unsupervised while they are having dinner. If the child is not dead and has been cared for and well looked after then perhaps they should ask the child who she wants to stay with. At the risk of the wrath of every parent here, think about who is guilty of abuse here? Who is the one who didn't abduct the child but rescued it from what they saw as neglect? By that reckoning they shouldn't be able to keep the children they have now? Lots of people make mistakes, theirs was a huge one with tragic results, but it is still their child. This wasn't about Madeleine, this was a hypothetical answer to a hypothetical question. On the subject of Maddy, I suspect she is dead and her parents were involved. Hypothetically ....if the person had other children when the child went missing would all the children be taken from the parents? " Hypothetically - If the powers that be refused to hand their child back on the grounds of negelct then they would have to remove the other children as they too were negelcted that night..... IF hypothetically there had been other children .... phewf .... | |||
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" Hypothetically - If the powers that be refused to hand their child back on the grounds of negelct then they would have to remove the other children as they too were negelcted that night..... IF hypothetically there had been other children .... phewf .... " Yup, I agree. | |||
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"they would have to give the child back, beacause otherwise they would be condoning child snaching. and even if these people wer good to the child beacuse beacause people wud have seen sum1 else get away with it they might then b encouraged to snatch a child, and they might not be so nice." Simon, They are NOT condoning child snatching. They could in fact give the child to caring parents. | |||
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"they would have to give the child back, beacause otherwise they would be condoning child snaching. and even if these people wer good to the child beacuse beacause people wud have seen sum1 else get away with it they might then b encouraged to snatch a child, and they might not be so nice. Simon, They are NOT condoning child snatching. They could in fact give the child to caring parents. " O right lol....i thought u ment is the people who had snatched the child did a gd job bringing her up they should keep her.......i c wot ur sayin, well in that case you would have to look at how they had been with the child up untill the point were they lost her, and there employment history, character ref's, one of those scotland check thing the lot ha ha .......tough question....i would say however if it was genuine mistake then even thoe its a pretty bad one....if there was no intention then you have 2 giv them benifit of the doubt | |||
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"She should be returned then put in care and the parents charged for neglect for leaving her in th first place If this was a family in council flat this would be the case but as they not it won't be done" +1 | |||
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"She should be returned then put in care and the parents charged for neglect for leaving her in th first place If this was a family in council flat this would be the case but as they not it won't be done +1" Im from a council estate, and i know alot of people who are absolute pond life and there kids will be better off without them, i also know 1 family who have a house 3 bed rooms garden and there kid gets 2 go 2 private school on a scholership paid by the council, not beacause he's clever, but beacause know school in his catchment are want him.....but the parent is still aloud 2 keep him even thos he could cook a full sunday roast by the tim he was like 9, his mom smokes infront of him and she has never had a job in her life, and just general pond life......im sure this kinda stuff happens out of council estates as well, im just saying that just beacause your from a council estate doesnt mean you kids will b took off you, they only do that if they need 2, in my experience.....im from a council estate b4 any has a go at me. | |||
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"She should be returned then put in care and the parents charged for neglect for leaving her in th first place If this was a family in council flat this would be the case but as they not it won't be done +1 Im from a council estate, and i know alot of people who are absolute pond life and there kids will be better off without them, i also know 1 family who have a house 3 bed rooms garden and there kid gets 2 go 2 private school on a scholership paid by the council, not beacause he's clever, but beacause know school in his catchment are want him.....but the parent is still aloud 2 keep him even thos he could cook a full sunday roast by the tim he was like 9, his mom smokes infront of him and she has never had a job in her life, and just general pond life......im sure this kinda stuff happens out of council estates as well, im just saying that just beacause your from a council estate doesnt mean you kids will b took off you, they only do that if they need 2, in my experience.....im from a council estate b4 any has a go at me." x | |||
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"She should be returned then put in care and the parents charged for neglect for leaving her in th first place If this was a family in council flat this would be the case but as they not it won't be done +1 Im from a council estate, and i know alot of people who are absolute pond life and there kids will be better off without them, i also know 1 family who have a house 3 bed rooms garden and there kid gets 2 go 2 private school on a scholership paid by the council, not beacause he's clever, but beacause know school in his catchment are want him.....but the parent is still aloud 2 keep him even thos he could cook a full sunday roast by the tim he was like 9, his mom smokes infront of him and she has never had a job in her life, and just general pond life......im sure this kinda stuff happens out of council estates as well, im just saying that just beacause your from a council estate doesnt mean you kids will b took off you, they only do that if they need 2, in my experience.....im from a council estate b4 any has a go at me. x " btw i wasnt critisising council estates i was stating if this had happened to a poor family then action would have been taken to remove the other children but as they are doctors the rules seem to have been changed. i have nothing against backgrounds i have friends off council estates an stuff just when ever you see incidents like this the law usually comes into action however the law did not act in the case so the normal one rule for one and one for another came into play | |||
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"She should be returned then put in care and the parents charged for neglect for leaving her in th first place If this was a family in council flat this would be the case but as they not it won't be done +1 Im from a council estate, and i know alot of people who are absolute pond life and there kids will be better off without them, i also know 1 family who have a house 3 bed rooms garden and there kid gets 2 go 2 private school on a scholership paid by the council, not beacause he's clever, but beacause know school in his catchment are want him.....but the parent is still aloud 2 keep him even thos he could cook a full sunday roast by the tim he was like 9, his mom smokes infront of him and she has never had a job in her life, and just general pond life......im sure this kinda stuff happens out of council estates as well, im just saying that just beacause your from a council estate doesnt mean you kids will b took off you, they only do that if they need 2, in my experience.....im from a council estate b4 any has a go at me. x btw i wasnt critisising council estates i was stating if this had happened to a poor family then action would have been taken to remove the other children but as they are doctors the rules seem to have been changed. i have nothing against backgrounds i have friends off council estates an stuff just when ever you see incidents like this the law usually comes into action however the law did not act in the case so the normal one rule for one and one for another came into play" oh no sorry m8 i wernt syaing u wer, ha ha just my experience of wer i live. iremember i walked in2 some dodgy boozer for after's with my m8s and few horrible chavy birds....and as we walked in...bare in mind this was 12 at night in a council estate in birmingham, one of the birds we wer with, her 11 year old daughter ran up 2 us and her mom didnt even know she was there....see allsorts dnt ya.... | |||
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"She should be returned then put in care and the parents charged for neglect for leaving her in th first place If this was a family in council flat this would be the case but as they not it won't be done +1 Im from a council estate, and i know alot of people who are absolute pond life and there kids will be better off without them, i also know 1 family who have a house 3 bed rooms garden and there kid gets 2 go 2 private school on a scholership paid by the council, not beacause he's clever, but beacause know school in his catchment are want him.....but the parent is still aloud 2 keep him even thos he could cook a full sunday roast by the tim he was like 9, his mom smokes infront of him and she has never had a job in her life, and just general pond life......im sure this kinda stuff happens out of council estates as well, im just saying that just beacause your from a council estate doesnt mean you kids will b took off you, they only do that if they need 2, in my experience.....im from a council estate b4 any has a go at me. x btw i wasnt critisising council estates i was stating if this had happened to a poor family then action would have been taken to remove the other children but as they are doctors the rules seem to have been changed. i have nothing against backgrounds i have friends off council estates an stuff just when ever you see incidents like this the law usually comes into action however the law did not act in the case so the normal one rule for one and one for another came into play" In my experience some of the worst cases of children taken into care are those from households of affluence where child abuse and neglect thrives - places where alarm bells fail to ring due, quite wrongly, to the 'oh that couldnt possibly be happening here' attitude. Taking a child into care is the last resort but I think you'll find council house raised children are probably raised in difficult circumstances but far from neglacted. I doubt that the family of this child would be considered a risk DESPITE their stupidity. No evidence of real historical neglect. But I understand what you're saying. | |||
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"Taking a child into care is the last resort but I think you'll find council house raised children are probably raised in difficult circumstances but far from neglacted. I doubt that the family of this child would be considered a risk DESPITE their stupidity. No evidence of real historical neglect. But I understand what you're saying." Thats wrong of me to have use the word are raised in difficult circumstances I of course mean some are. I and most of my peers were raised on council estates cos that was the type of housing available to the working class in my childhood | |||
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"Taking a child into care is the last resort but I think you'll find council house raised children are probably raised in difficult circumstances but far from neglacted. I doubt that the family of this child would be considered a risk DESPITE their stupidity. No evidence of real historical neglect. But I understand what you're saying. Thats wrong of me to have use the word are raised in difficult circumstances I of course mean some are. I and most of my peers were raised on council estates cos that was the type of housing available to the working class in my childhood " ye i agree the overwhelming majority of people on my estate are decent people, and there kids are sound, and every1 goes 2 work , then goes the local and stuff, quite good, but there is a substantial minority of people on council estate's who are scum, and give the estate's bad name's...thats the nature of a council estate you carnt choose who lives there....an like sum1 said earlier it is more of shock for sumthing bad 2 happen 2 a kid in a affluent area like solihull then it would inner city birmingham.....again i point out im from a council estate im not attacking im just stating my experience and i did say minority r bad majority are good. | |||
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"Yes the child should be returned to its natural parents. The reason i say this is because if the child was to stay on with the abducters, it could open the flood gates of abuduction. There would be an increase of this happening, and a vary of reason would be given for why they abducted the child. It would be a minefield. For example the child is playing in the front garden, the parent is in the back garden hanging out washing, putting rubbish out, they get talking to the neighbour, the child is abuducted. The child was maybe left for 20 minutes, but because the parent couldnt visably the child is this neglect. (not a good example, but all i can think of right now)" Its an excellent example and has happened countless numbers of times sadly | |||
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"Most definitely she should be returned. Her parents have suffered enough for a momentary lack of judgement " That momentary lack of judgement lasted 10 nights. NOT one. Give her back after strict parenting classes and supervision from Social Services. | |||
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"Most definitely she should be returned. Her parents have suffered enough for a momentary lack of judgement That momentary lack of judgement lasted 10 nights. NOT one. Give her back after strict parenting classes and supervision from Social Services." That momentary lack of judgement lasted an awful lot longer than 10 nights and indeed will no doubt last a long time to come. | |||
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