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"What journal was the study published in?" I've heard quite a bit of hypothesizing about multiverse theories, but I've yet to see scientific proof. So knowing the title of the article with the study and the journal of publication would be helpful for a further analysis. Although a lot of mutiverse science gets really mathematical, so it's a bit lost on me in that sense. | |||
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"How did they prove it?" a friend told me years ago that if you weigh people upon death they would lose a small yet measurable amout upon death, which (from einsteinian thinking that energy cannot be created or destroyed) must have gone somewhere assumptions can be made that there is a 'life force'. But as with most things it's just an assumption, and even then using our best science or some spiritual notions... | |||
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"How did they prove it? a friend told me years ago that if you weigh people upon death they would lose a small yet measurable amout upon death, which (from einsteinian thinking that energy cannot be created or destroyed) must have gone somewhere assumptions can be made that there is a 'life force'. But as with most things it's just an assumption, and even then using our best science or some spiritual notions..." I read that once too. Wondered if it was just the weight of air that escaped from their lungs. Also weird that the person was on some scales just as they died. | |||
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"Science may pose many theories and help produce lots of evidence but I think op that you may be mistaken about proof. But feel free to post links to reputable journals, so that ee can see what the literature reveals " he can't post links that else he'll get a forum ban for spamming. could mention the titles of the files and who wrote them though. | |||
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"How did they prove it? a friend told me years ago that if you weigh people upon death they would lose a small yet measurable amout upon death, which (from einsteinian thinking that energy cannot be created or destroyed) must have gone somewhere assumptions can be made that there is a 'life force'. But as with most things it's just an assumption, and even then using our best science or some spiritual notions... I read that once too. Wondered if it was just the weight of air that escaped from their lungs. Also weird that the person was on some scales just as they died. " See I thought that also, but air doesn't weigh as much as the study states. And this is also before the body started to deficate all waste so other than the air in the lungs. There is no other weight moved. Accourdingly to that study but it was like 1900 so it's skeptical of course | |||
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"Okay, not as morbid as the title sounds :') but just read a study that proves after death the consciousness lives on, just moves to another universe (parallel universe/multiverse). Any sciencey buffs here? Would love your thoughts. ^_^ " I dont see a direct connection to Quantum Mechanics or am I missing somthing? | |||
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"It's actually a book called Biocentrism: How Life and Consciousness are the Keys to Understanding the True Nature of the Universe Which has these findings in, you can Get it on amazon. " I'll take a look. But books aren't peer reviewed in the same way as academic journals, so I'm very sceptical. | |||
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"Okay, not as morbid as the title sounds :') but just read a study that proves after death the consciousness lives on, just moves to another universe (parallel universe/multiverse). Any sciencey buffs here? Would love your thoughts. ^_^ " Eff eff ess. It's flim-flammery, mummery and thrusting poppycock and we'll all be long-dead before it happens. | |||
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"Energy cannot be destroyed, merely transformed. Newton. " Yeah...? So is that for or against the proposition, 'cos it can read both ways... | |||
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"I think we transform into something new. So for." Ok. Well, sadly when you die you start losing your energy very fast, it dissipates into your surroundings/the universe and turns to heat... all energy turns to heat, as you say. But your energy does not contain thoughts or feelings once you die. The neurons die and the thoughts die. People came up with all this garbage back in the 70 to prove there was life after death. Once the heart stops you have about 4 minutes to get it pumping. or you will be brain dead. Once your brain dead you don’t come back. I'm afraid. | |||
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"The weight of the human soul according to that study is 27g It was the same amount in every single body. When you look at religions from countries that wouldn't have been linked in many of them there is a sort of heaven, and other planes of existence so maybe the theory of a multiverse is possible and it has mearly been forgotten as a conscious belief " Nahh | |||
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"can someone define the soul for me as well, so i know what we're weighing?" Prove to me there is a soul | |||
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"can someone define the soul for me as well, so i know what we're weighing? Prove to me there is a soul" idk what one is yet, as nobody has defined it in physical terms. got a feeling it's something we can explain neurologically. | |||
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"Who says we need to stay the same? If I become energy, can I not be wind or sunlight or waves in tbe ocean? Must I retain my consciousness? No. Energy cannot be created or destroyed. It just IS." Yeah, energy, sure. We've established that. But kinetic energy is not the same as saying there's 'life force' or a 'soul' or whatever it is that philosophers, doctors and psychiatrists have failed to find for hundreds of years. | |||
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"Aren't we just made up of atoms, that were once something else and in time become something different, eternal "Exactly! | |||
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"Aren't we just made up of atoms, that were once something else and in time become something different, eternal "We ARE all made of star dust, which is cool | |||
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"Aren't we just made up of atoms, that were once something else and in time become something different, eternal
We ARE all made of star dust, which is cool
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"Aren't we just made up of atoms, that were once something else and in time become something different, eternal
We ARE all made of star dust, which is cool
""We are made of stardust harvesting starlight" is a quote i have on my wall | |||
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"well this is more boring and pointless than i ever imagined. anyone fancy a fuck?" There is a universe where you're getting purposely fucked right now! | |||
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"well this is more boring and pointless than i ever imagined. anyone fancy a fuck? There is a universe where you're getting purposely fucked right now!" Lol | |||
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"well this is more boring and pointless than i ever imagined. anyone fancy a fuck? There is a universe where you're getting purposely fucked right now! Lol" There is no universe where I am getting fucked right now! OrJ would be there | |||
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"well this is more boring and pointless than i ever imagined. anyone fancy a fuck? There is a universe where you're getting purposely fucked right now!" and i have no knowledge of it and am not there personally to enjoy it.  | |||
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"Energy cannot be destroyed, merely transformed. Newton. " . So after you die you go on to boil my kettle! It's not exactly the pearly gates | |||
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"Energy cannot be destroyed, merely transformed. Newton. . So after you die you go on to boil my kettle! It's not exactly the pearly gates" But something lol | |||
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"I wonder if animals , birds , insects and fish believe they may come back as humans ? Gotta feel sorry for them if they do , life must be so much simpler without all the soul searching ..... I often think there must be some kind of life after death , otherwise what's the point ? Then I figure that as I don't know for sure that there will be , it's best to cram as much into this life as possible . So dream as if you'll live forever , live as if you'll die tomorrow comes to mind "The point of life IS death, so you are correct in the assertion to live it well while you can. | |||
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"I wonder if animals , birds , insects and fish believe they may come back as humans ? Gotta feel sorry for them if they do , life must be so much simpler without all the soul searching ..... I often think there must be some kind of life after death , otherwise what's the point ? Then I figure that as I don't know for sure that there will be , it's best to cram as much into this life as possible . So dream as if you'll live forever , live as if you'll die tomorrow comes to mind
The point of life IS death, so you are correct in the assertion to live it well while you can.
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"So, how does it happen?" How does what happen? | |||
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"I wonder if animals , birds , insects and fish believe they may come back as humans ? Gotta feel sorry for them if they do , life must be so much simpler without all the soul searching ..... I often think there must be some kind of life after death , otherwise what's the point ? Oh no! Dont say that. There is always a point. Someone loves you. Life itself loves you. Energy persists. Then I figure that as I don't know for sure that there will be , it's best to cram as much into this life as possible . So dream as if you'll live forever , live as if you'll die tomorrow comes to mind
The point of life IS death, so you are correct in the assertion to live it well while you can.
i've already died inside so that's me sorted. " | |||
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"I wonder if animals , birds , insects and fish believe they may come back as humans ? Gotta feel sorry for them if they do , life must be so much simpler without all the soul searching ..... I often think there must be some kind of life after death , otherwise what's the point ? Oh no! Dont say that. There is always a point. Someone loves you. Life itself loves you. Energy persists. Then I figure that as I don't know for sure that there will be , it's best to cram as much into this life as possible . So dream as if you'll live forever , live as if you'll die tomorrow comes to mind
The point of life IS death, so you are correct in the assertion to live it well while you can.
i've already died inside so that's me sorted. "Sounds like a counsel of despair?  | |||
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"I wonder if animals , birds , insects and fish believe they may come back as humans ? Gotta feel sorry for them if they do , life must be so much simpler without all the soul searching ..... I often think there must be some kind of life after death , otherwise what's the point ? Oh no! Dont say that. There is always a point. Someone loves you. Life itself loves you. Energy persists. Then I figure that as I don't know for sure that there will be , it's best to cram as much into this life as possible . So dream as if you'll live forever , live as if you'll die tomorrow comes to mind
The point of life IS death, so you are correct in the assertion to live it well while you can.
i've already died inside so that's me sorted.
Sounds like a counsel of despair? "you have to die to kill off everything unreal about yourself. i think so anyway. | |||
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"i've already died inside so that's me sorted.
Sounds like a counsel of despair?
you have to die to kill off everything unreal about yourself. i think so anyway."Very Zen | |||
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"I wonder if animals , birds , insects and fish believe they may come back as humans ? Gotta feel sorry for them if they do , life must be so much simpler without all the soul searching ..... I often think there must be some kind of life after death , otherwise what's the point ? Then I figure that as I don't know for sure that there will be , it's best to cram as much into this life as possible . So dream as if you'll live forever , live as if you'll die tomorrow comes to mind "well most of them dont 'think' like we do...our sense of 'time' is what guides us...most animals are more of a react and behave accordingly to events. Thats why I hate fucking stories in papers about that 'evil' beast alligator or 'demon shark and so on... projecting our own weaknesses onto the beings mostly incapable of thought processes like ourselves, always smacks of stupidity. | |||
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"I wonder if animals , birds , insects and fish believe they may come back as humans ? Gotta feel sorry for them if they do , life must be so much simpler without all the soul searching ..... I often think there must be some kind of life after death , otherwise what's the point ? Then I figure that as I don't know for sure that there will be , it's best to cram as much into this life as possible . So dream as if you'll live forever , live as if you'll die tomorrow comes to mind
well most of them dont 'think' like we do...our sense of 'time' is what guides us...most animals are more of a react and behave accordingly to events. Thats why I hate fucking stories in papers about that 'evil' beast alligator or 'demon shark and so on...
projecting our own weaknesses onto the beings mostly incapable of thought processes like ourselves, always smacks of stupidity."Very well put | |||
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"I wonder if animals , birds , insects and fish believe they may come back as humans ? Gotta feel sorry for them if they do , life must be so much simpler without all the soul searching ..... I often think there must be some kind of life after death , otherwise what's the point ? Then I figure that as I don't know for sure that there will be , it's best to cram as much into this life as possible . So dream as if you'll live forever , live as if you'll die tomorrow comes to mind
well most of them dont 'think' like we do...our sense of 'time' is what guides us...most animals are more of a react and behave accordingly to events. Thats why I hate fucking stories in papers about that 'evil' beast alligator or 'demon shark and so on...
projecting our own weaknesses onto the beings mostly incapable of thought processes like ourselves, always smacks of stupidity."Animals are not human. Making them appear so is pointless. They live in the world in ways that we cannot comorehend. Despite that we do attempt to understand. | |||
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"To be honest,I think that thinking you know everything about science is as bad as not wanting to know anything about science. I would not discount life after death, or an idea like eternal energy... the universe could really be a big cyclic thing, rather than just a 'big bang' While I am in no way religious,there can sometimes be some rather weird reasons why we even have value on rare materials like gold,diamonds etc...when in fact, these things have been important in improving modern technology...perhaps ancient ones werent as daft as we thought..." . There no more important than silver or hydrogen or helium, where would we be without argon or uranium or oxygen, were all atoms? So what atoms don't last forever, everything decays, it's the only natural order, to decay and die. Now rebirth is another story, do we hold some memory created by a biological organism called a brain, Sadly I very much doubt it! | |||
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"Is this philosophy or physics? "both have been combined...from the very idea of the anthropic principle joe.. | |||
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"Is this philosophy or physics?
both have been combined...from the very idea of the anthropic principle joe.. "Fuckin' hippies | |||
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"I wonder if animals , birds , insects and fish believe they may come back as humans ? Gotta feel sorry for them if they do , life must be so much simpler without all the soul searching ..... I often think there must be some kind of life after death , otherwise what's the point ? Then I figure that as I don't know for sure that there will be , it's best to cram as much into this life as possible . So dream as if you'll live forever , live as if you'll die tomorrow comes to mind
well most of them dont 'think' like we do...our sense of 'time' is what guides us...most animals are more of a react and behave accordingly to events. Thats why I hate fucking stories in papers about that 'evil' beast alligator or 'demon shark and so on...
projecting our own weaknesses onto the beings mostly incapable of thought processes like ourselves, always smacks of stupidity.". Ten minutes ago you said you were open minded now you know for certain that animals (err that's humans) don't think like "we" do?. Any evidence for that hypothesis or is that just you instilling your own beliefs of what you think you'd like to be true | |||
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"To be honest,I think that thinking you know everything about science is as bad as not wanting to know anything about science. I would not discount life after death, or an idea like eternal energy... the universe could really be a big cyclic thing, rather than just a 'big bang' While I am in no way religious,there can sometimes be some rather weird reasons why we even have value on rare materials like gold,diamonds etc...when in fact, these things have been important in improving modern technology...perhaps ancient ones werent as daft as we thought.... There no more important than silver or hydrogen or helium, where would we be without argon or uranium or oxygen, were all atoms? So what atoms don't last forever, everything decays, it's the only natural order, to decay and die. Now rebirth is another story, do we hold some memory created by a biological organism called a brain, Sadly I very much doubt it!" diamonds and lasers: https://phys.org/news/2013-08-diamonds-laser-scientist-friend.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/01/03/e6s-diamond-sculptors-push-envelope-lasers-quantum-realm/ nahhh useless arent they? | |||
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"I wonder if animals , birds , insects and fish believe they may come back as humans ? Gotta feel sorry for them if they do , life must be so much simpler without all the soul searching ..... I often think there must be some kind of life after death , otherwise what's the point ? Then I figure that as I don't know for sure that there will be , it's best to cram as much into this life as possible . So dream as if you'll live forever , live as if you'll die tomorrow comes to mind
well most of them dont 'think' like we do...our sense of 'time' is what guides us...most animals are more of a react and behave accordingly to events. Thats why I hate fucking stories in papers about that 'evil' beast alligator or 'demon shark and so on...
projecting our own weaknesses onto the beings mostly incapable of thought processes like ourselves, always smacks of stupidity..
Ten minutes ago you said you were open minded now you know for certain that animals (err that's humans) don't think like "we" do?.
Any evidence for that hypothesis or is that just you instilling your own beliefs of what you think you'd like to be true"You think I dont know that humans are animals?...did I say ALL animals? nope...not at all.Of course...we could point out that there aren't that many species that have carried out feats of amazement or destruction. | |||
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"To be honest,I think that thinking you know everything about science is as bad as not wanting to know anything about science. I would not discount life after death, or an idea like eternal energy... the universe could really be a big cyclic thing, rather than just a 'big bang' While I am in no way religious,there can sometimes be some rather weird reasons why we even have value on rare materials like gold,diamonds etc...when in fact, these things have been important in improving modern technology...perhaps ancient ones werent as daft as we thought.... There no more important than silver or hydrogen or helium, where would we be without argon or uranium or oxygen, were all atoms? So what atoms don't last forever, everything decays, it's the only natural order, to decay and die. Now rebirth is another story, do we hold some memory created by a biological organism called a brain, Sadly I very much doubt it! diamonds and lasers: https://phys.org/news/2013-08-diamonds-laser-scientist-friend.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/01/03/e6s-diamond-sculptors-push-envelope-lasers-quantum-realm/ nahhh useless arent they?" . No more important than carbon!. My personal thoughts is that modern day life has created and moulded us in a way of thought structure that makes us say diamonds amazing, carbon errr oh. Oh wait diamonds are carbon, silly me, in fact all the elements are made from hydrogen and helium anyhow, born from stars and decaying down the ladder of death, were no different than sharks or alligators, in fact the five main elements in your body are the same five elements in the universe, what is in essence in you is in me and in sharks and alligators and the universe, were all one. The only difference I perceive is humans have the ability to contemplate our momentarily existence in this oneness, to imagine were something special and separate is stupidity | |||
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" You think I dont know that humans are animals?...did I say ALL animals? nope...not at all.Of course...we could point out that there aren't that many species that have carried out feats of amazement or destruction." . That's exactly my point about modem day thought structures!. Why in your mind does a "feat of amazement" or "destruction" mean anything better?, you've clearly been conditioned by life to believe that?. In reality nobody or nothing else gives a right royal shit about your feats of amazement, your just another brick in the wall only one with a superiority complex | |||
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"To be honest,I think that thinking you know everything about science is as bad as not wanting to know anything about science. I would not discount life after death, or an idea like eternal energy... the universe could really be a big cyclic thing, rather than just a 'big bang' While I am in no way religious,there can sometimes be some rather weird reasons why we even have value on rare materials like gold,diamonds etc...when in fact, these things have been important in improving modern technology...perhaps ancient ones werent as daft as we thought.... There no more important than silver or hydrogen or helium, where would we be without argon or uranium or oxygen, were all atoms? So what atoms don't last forever, everything decays, it's the only natural order, to decay and die. Now rebirth is another story, do we hold some memory created by a biological organism called a brain, Sadly I very much doubt it! diamonds and lasers: https://phys.org/news/2013-08-diamonds-laser-scientist-friend.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/01/03/e6s-diamond-sculptors-push-envelope-lasers-quantum-realm/ nahhh useless arent they?. No more important than carbon!. My personal thoughts is that modern day life has created and moulded us in a way of thought structure that makes us say diamonds amazing, carbon errr oh. Oh wait diamonds are carbon, silly me, in fact all the elements are made from hydrogen and helium anyhow, born from stars and decaying down the ladder of death, were no different than sharks or alligators, in fact the five main elements in your body are the same five elements in the universe, what is in essence in you is in me and in sharks and alligators and the universe, were all one. The only difference I perceive is humans have the ability to contemplate our momentarily existence in this oneness, to imagine were something special and separate is stupidity" despite the elements etc.. I've already pointed out further above that I think humans will no longer be humans in the future,biotech and further on into AI will undoubtedly make us a bit 'special'.So I disagree it is stupidity that we are not special on this earth anyway for now..it might be for some of the wrong reasons..but I have hope. | |||
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"It's actually a book called Biocentrism: How Life and Consciousness are the Keys to Understanding the True Nature of the Universe Which has these findings in, you can Get it on amazon. I'll take a look. But books aren't peer reviewed in the same way as academic journals, so I'm very sceptical." Is it published by the a Church of Scientology? | |||
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" You think I dont know that humans are animals?...did I say ALL animals? nope...not at all.Of course...we could point out that there aren't that many species that have carried out feats of amazement or destruction.. That's exactly my point about modem day thought structures!. Why in your mind does a "feat of amazement" or "destruction" mean anything better?, you've clearly been conditioned by life to believe that?. In reality nobody or nothing else gives a right royal shit about your feats of amazement, your just another brick in the wall only one with a superiority complex" why are you being so aggressive?-I dont think this is the first time you have not centered on me...and you clearly have been here. superiority complex?..I adore the natural world, as a lover of all nature and photographer of nature..I'm at my happiest within it. you can think what you like, I dont really care... | |||
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"To be honest,I think that thinking you know everything about science is as bad as not wanting to know anything about science. I would not discount life after death, or an idea like eternal energy... the universe could really be a big cyclic thing, rather than just a 'big bang' While I am in no way religious,there can sometimes be some rather weird reasons why we even have value on rare materials like gold,diamonds etc...when in fact, these things have been important in improving modern technology...perhaps ancient ones werent as daft as we thought.... There no more important than silver or hydrogen or helium, where would we be without argon or uranium or oxygen, were all atoms? So what atoms don't last forever, everything decays, it's the only natural order, to decay and die. Now rebirth is another story, do we hold some memory created by a biological organism called a brain, Sadly I very much doubt it! diamonds and lasers: https://phys.org/news/2013-08-diamonds-laser-scientist-friend.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/01/03/e6s-diamond-sculptors-push-envelope-lasers-quantum-realm/ nahhh useless arent they?. No more important than carbon!. My personal thoughts is that modern day life has created and moulded us in a way of thought structure that makes us say diamonds amazing, carbon errr oh. Oh wait diamonds are carbon, silly me, in fact all the elements are made from hydrogen and helium anyhow, born from stars and decaying down the ladder of death, were no different than sharks or alligators, in fact the five main elements in your body are the same five elements in the universe, what is in essence in you is in me and in sharks and alligators and the universe, were all one. The only difference I perceive is humans have the ability to contemplate our momentarily existence in this oneness, to imagine were something special and separate is stupidity despite the elements etc.. I've already pointed out further above that I think humans will no longer be humans in the future,biotech and further on into AI will undoubtedly make us a bit 'special'.So I disagree it is stupidity that we are not special on this earth anyway for now..it might be for some of the wrong reasons..but I have hope." . Hope is a terrible thing, it brings nothing but despair, no other creature on this earth gives a shit about "our" feats of achievement. The only truism I know is to fear death but not to live your life afraid of dying. If anyone figures out how to do that feel free to message me the answer | |||
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" You think I dont know that humans are animals?...did I say ALL animals? nope...not at all.Of course...we could point out that there aren't that many species that have carried out feats of amazement or destruction.. That's exactly my point about modem day thought structures!. Why in your mind does a "feat of amazement" or "destruction" mean anything better?, you've clearly been conditioned by life to believe that?. In reality nobody or nothing else gives a right royal shit about your feats of amazement, your just another brick in the wall only one with a superiority complex why are you being so aggressive?-I dont think this is the first time you have not centered on me...and you clearly have been here. superiority complex?..I adore the natural world, as a lover of all nature and photographer of nature..I'm at my happiest within it. you can think what you like, I dont really care..." . I didn't know we were taking about you?. And why are you concerned what a stranger on a website thinks of you?. Are we really so self obsessed that everything's about us?  .
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"It's actually a book called Biocentrism: How Life and Consciousness are the Keys to Understanding the True Nature of the Universe Which has these findings in, you can Get it on amazon. I'll take a look. But books aren't peer reviewed in the same way as academic journals, so I'm very sceptical. Is it published by the a Church of Scientology?" That will be about making money for them then. | |||
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"To be honest,I think that thinking you know everything about science is as bad as not wanting to know anything about science. I would not discount life after death, or an idea like eternal energy... the universe could really be a big cyclic thing, rather than just a 'big bang' While I am in no way religious,there can sometimes be some rather weird reasons why we even have value on rare materials like gold,diamonds etc...when in fact, these things have been important in improving modern technology...perhaps ancient ones werent as daft as we thought.... There no more important than silver or hydrogen or helium, where would we be without argon or uranium or oxygen, were all atoms? So what atoms don't last forever, everything decays, it's the only natural order, to decay and die. Now rebirth is another story, do we hold some memory created by a biological organism called a brain, Sadly I very much doubt it! diamonds and lasers: https://phys.org/news/2013-08-diamonds-laser-scientist-friend.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/01/03/e6s-diamond-sculptors-push-envelope-lasers-quantum-realm/ nahhh useless arent they?. No more important than carbon!. My personal thoughts is that modern day life has created and moulded us in a way of thought structure that makes us say diamonds amazing, carbon errr oh. Oh wait diamonds are carbon, silly me, in fact all the elements are made from hydrogen and helium anyhow, born from stars and decaying down the ladder of death, were no different than sharks or alligators, in fact the five main elements in your body are the same five elements in the universe, what is in essence in you is in me and in sharks and alligators and the universe, were all one. The only difference I perceive is humans have the ability to contemplate our momentarily existence in this oneness, to imagine were something special and separate is stupidity despite the elements etc.. I've already pointed out further above that I think humans will no longer be humans in the future,biotech and further on into AI will undoubtedly make us a bit 'special'.So I disagree it is stupidity that we are not special on this earth anyway for now..it might be for some of the wrong reasons..but I have hope.. Hope is a terrible thing, it brings nothing but despair, no other creature on this earth gives a shit about "our" feats of achievement. The only truism I know is to fear death but not to live your life afraid of dying. If anyone figures out how to do that feel free to message me the answer" the one certainty in life is death so why fear it. if you accept it you live well thats my theory. we as people are consumed with conditioning you must be clothed..... use bits of paper or metal for food we are at odds with nature so the problems we have are own creations. As for an afterlife yeah or nay I will find out when I get there thats enough | |||
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"Okay, not as morbid as the title sounds :') but just read a study that proves after death the consciousness lives on, just moves to another universe (parallel universe/multiverse). Any sciencey buffs here? Would love your thoughts. ^_^ " Burt Reynolds | |||
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"How did they prove it?" I'm sure you thought about this question before you typed it?...well science still can't prove what a thought actually is ...does that mean you didn't think it ? | |||
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"How did they prove it? I'm sure you thought about this question before you typed it?...well science still can't prove what a thought actually is ...does that mean you didn't think it ?" maybe. what if someone else is controlling my thoughts? | |||
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so, who is controlling our thoughts? i've seen the matrix, do you think that's air your breathing now?
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"Okay, not as morbid as the title sounds :') but just read a study that proves after death the consciousness lives on, just moves to another universe (parallel universe/multiverse). Any sciencey buffs here? Would love your thoughts. ^_^ " I'd love to be proven wrong but I think it's balderdash ...... | |||
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"Okay, not as morbid as the title sounds :') but just read a study that proves after death the consciousness lives on, just moves to another universe (parallel universe/multiverse). Any sciencey buffs here? Would love your thoughts. ^_^ I'd love to be proven wrong but I think it's balderdash ...... "I agree, it's pretty simple to me...there's no such thing as magic. It would be great if our consciousness could carry on after death but I just don't see it | |||
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"We have alternate science facts, OK?!""Wot you mean like fake facts? | |||
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"What perplexes me is this notion that this all exists because or for us, because we're intelligent, because we're human?. It strikes me as the height of superiority, why not for this lovely early butterfly that I'm currently watching, why is not all created for it and we're merely the observers. It seems to always come back to this main argument that we're intelligent but then we abandon reason, logic and intelligence to just make shit up when discussing our own demise?" | |||
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"Okay, not as morbid as the title sounds :') but just read a study that proves after death the consciousness lives on, just moves to another universe (parallel universe/multiverse). Any sciencey buffs here? Would love your thoughts. ^_^ " Do men get meets in other universe's | |||
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"Okay, not as morbid as the title sounds :') but just read a study that proves after death the consciousness lives on, just moves to another universe (parallel universe/multiverse). Any sciencey buffs here? Would love your thoughts. ^_^ Do men get meets in other universe's " No. | |||
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"What perplexes me is this notion that this all exists because or for us, because we're intelligent, because we're human?. It strikes me as the height of superiority, why not for this lovely early butterfly that I'm currently watching, why is not all created for it and we're merely the observers. It seems to always come back to this main argument that we're intelligent but then we abandon reason, logic and intelligence to just make shit up when discussing our own demise?" Can anyone define Intelligence? Cos I forone have never met anyone who can | |||
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"Can anyone define Intelligence? Cos I forone have never met anyone who can " Yes, viz.; The ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills, surely? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence (cut n' paste being a prime example ) | |||
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"Can anyone define Intelligence? Cos I forone have never met anyone who can Yes, viz.; The ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills, surely? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence (cut n' paste being a prime example )"The ability to think logically/to reason is more the root meaning to me. | |||
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"As Prof. Richard Dawkins said: "Science; it works, bitches!"" Except when it doesn't you obnoxious, arrogant man.....(Dawkins, not you ) | |||
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"As Prof. Richard Dawkins said: "Science; it works, bitches!" Except when it doesn't you obnoxious, arrogant man.....(Dawkins, not you )"He is a very rude man. Was listening to R4 one mooring and there was the Right Reverend Bishop of Somewhere giving a worthy if dull explanation of why we should let the love of Jesus into our hearts. He was followed by Dawkins, who curtly put him down with; "Well, I don;t see why we should listen to the bishop just because he has an imaginary friend!" | |||
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"As Prof. Richard Dawkins said: "Science; it works, bitches!" Except when it doesn't you obnoxious, arrogant man.....(Dawkins, not you )
He is a very rude man.
Was listening to R4 one mooring and there was the Right Reverend Bishop of Somewhere giving a worthy if dull explanation of why we should let the love of Jesus into our hearts.
He was followed by Dawkins, who curtly put him down with;
"Well, I don;t see why we should listen to the bishop just because he has an imaginary friend!"
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"As Prof. Richard Dawkins said: "Science; it works, bitches!" Except when it doesn't you obnoxious, arrogant man.....(Dawkins, not you )
He is a very rude man.
Was listening to R4 one mooring and there was the Right Reverend Bishop of Somewhere giving a worthy if dull explanation of why we should let the love of Jesus into our hearts.
He was followed by Dawkins, who curtly put him down with;
"Well, I don;t see why we should listen to the bishop just because he has an imaginary friend!"
He pisses me off because he deliberately erects fallacious straw dogs, and if a scientist is dishonest, he is worthless. "I have no reason to think a soul exists I think we could illustrate far more data illustrating nothing that could be defined as a soul leaves or enters the body or brain Science when understood does work It claims to know nothing it is merely a method employed to ensure data that can be used logically is as robust as practically possible at the time , done correctly it will acknowledge what it does not or cannot know and it's assumptions. Just because the daily mail can't report science and just because some dishonest people call themselves scientists does not affect what science actually is I am unaware of a Dawkins strawman argument , perhaps share one ? I am aware of many strawman style arguments against the scientific method and those of us who understand it and respect what it can achieve xx The 21 grams con is old and nonsense The brain dies all that survives of the person are memes | |||
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"say there was a soul, and the point in living was to obtain one via physical experiences within the universe. what would be the point in losing that body eventually? really do feel this stuff i made up to stop people being scared of dying. when you won't even be aware of it. " In fact turning that on its head slightly , if a number of stories regarding the actives and capabilities of so called ghosts were to be believed why would any one want to be inhibited by an earthly body ? | |||
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"say there was a soul, and the point in living was to obtain one via physical experiences within the universe. what would be the point in losing that body eventually? really do feel this stuff i made up to stop people being scared of dying. when you won't even be aware of it. In fact turning that on its head slightly , if a number of stories regarding the actives and capabilities of so called ghosts were to be believed why would any one want to be inhibited by an earthly body ? " too physically experience things, including chemicals. but yeah would be better to be a ghost, floating around and being creepy. | |||
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"As Prof. Richard Dawkins said: "Science; it works, bitches!" Except when it doesn't you obnoxious, arrogant man.....(Dawkins, not you )
He is a very rude man.
Was listening to R4 one mooring and there was the Right Reverend Bishop of Somewhere giving a worthy if dull explanation of why we should let the love of Jesus into our hearts.
He was followed by Dawkins, who curtly put him down with;
"Well, I don;t see why we should listen to the bishop just because he has an imaginary friend!"
He pisses me off because he deliberately erects fallacious straw dogs, and if a scientist is dishonest, he is worthless. ".If a scientist??? He's one of the world's most eminent evolutionary biologists!. | |||
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"I can feel,nay sense, some alternative facts coming soon #areyoutheresidney "Good thing we're not dealing with the Trump administration - he's just included an Education Secretary who thinks creationism should be allowed to be taught in class. | |||
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"I can feel,nay sense, some alternative facts coming soon #areyoutheresidney
Good thing we're not dealing with the Trump administration - he's just included an Education Secretary who thinks creationism should be allowed to be taught in class. "You... you mean to say that there is another explanation than an omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent entity that made everyone and everything?!!  | |||
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"I can feel,nay sense, some alternative facts coming soon #areyoutheresidney
Good thing we're not dealing with the Trump administration - he's just included an Education Secretary who thinks creationism should be allowed to be taught in class.
You... you mean to say that there is another explanation than an omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent entity that made everyone and everything?!! "Here you go... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation_Evidence_Museum | |||
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"As Prof. Richard Dawkins said: "Science; it works, bitches!" Except when it doesn't you obnoxious, arrogant man.....(Dawkins, not you )
He is a very rude man.
Was listening to R4 one mooring and there was the Right Reverend Bishop of Somewhere giving a worthy if dull explanation of why we should let the love of Jesus into our hearts.
He was followed by Dawkins, who curtly put him down with;
"Well, I don;t see why we should listen to the bishop just because he has an imaginary friend!"
He pisses me off because he deliberately erects fallacious straw dogs, and if a scientist is dishonest, he is worthless. .If a scientist???
He's one of the world's most eminent evolutionary biologists!.
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"I can feel,nay sense, some alternative facts coming soon #areyoutheresidney
Good thing we're not dealing with the Trump administration - he's just included an Education Secretary who thinks creationism should be allowed to be taught in class. ". Delusional behaviour, from a human, well I never | |||
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"I can feel,nay sense, some alternative facts coming soon #areyoutheresidney
Good thing we're not dealing with the Trump administration - he's just included an Education Secretary who thinks creationism should be allowed to be taught in class.
You... you mean to say that there is another explanation than an omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent entity that made everyone and everything?!!
Here you go...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation_Evidence_Museum"The things you know Joe | |||
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"As Prof. Richard Dawkins said: "Science; it works, bitches!" Except when it doesn't you obnoxious, arrogant man.....(Dawkins, not you )
He is a very rude man.
Was listening to R4 one mooring and there was the Right Reverend Bishop of Somewhere giving a worthy if dull explanation of why we should let the love of Jesus into our hearts.
He was followed by Dawkins, who curtly put him down with;
"Well, I don;t see why we should listen to the bishop just because he has an imaginary friend!"
He pisses me off because he deliberately erects fallacious straw dogs, and if a scientist is dishonest, he is worthless. .If a scientist???
He's one of the world's most eminent evolutionary biologists!.
Don't give a damn - he has too strong a bias in his personal opinion for my liking.". He doesn't have to be likable to be right, facts don't care about your feelings, I know, life's a bitch! | |||
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"I can feel,nay sense, some alternative facts coming soon #areyoutheresidney
Good thing we're not dealing with the Trump administration - he's just included an Education Secretary who thinks creationism should be allowed to be taught in class.
You... you mean to say that there is another explanation than an omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent entity that made everyone and everything?!!
Here you go...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation_Evidence_Museum
The things you know Joe"That shit is crazy - they have displays with early humans wandering the earth with dinosaurs (that all got wiped out in the Flood). Couldn't make this shit up... oh, wait a mo'... | |||
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"As Prof. Richard Dawkins said: "Science; it works, bitches!" Except when it doesn't you obnoxious, arrogant man.....(Dawkins, not you )
He is a very rude man.
Was listening to R4 one mooring and there was the Right Reverend Bishop of Somewhere giving a worthy if dull explanation of why we should let the love of Jesus into our hearts.
He was followed by Dawkins, who curtly put him down with;
"Well, I don;t see why we should listen to the bishop just because he has an imaginary friend!"
He pisses me off because he deliberately erects fallacious straw dogs, and if a scientist is dishonest, he is worthless.
I have no reason to think a soul exists
I think we could illustrate far more data illustrating nothing that could be defined as a soul leaves or enters the body or brain
Science when understood does work
It claims to know nothing it is merely a method employed to ensure data that can be used logically is as robust as practically possible at the time , done correctly it will acknowledge what it does not or cannot know and it's assumptions. Just because the daily mail can't report science and just because some dishonest people call themselves scientists does not affect what science actually is
I am unaware of a Dawkins strawman argument , perhaps share one ?
?"Someone called Michael Ruse apparently said "The God Delusion makes me ashamed to be an atheist.....Richard Dawkins in The God Delusion would fail any introductory philosophy or religion course. Proudly he criticizes that whereof he knows nothing." There would be many, many false arguments he makes like 'All Christians believe the world is only 4,000 years old' or 'Religion teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world.' or 'Everyone has the same religion as their parents'....it's just all venomous, pompous bullshit and that is NOT science, I have no respect for such a man!  | |||
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"I can feel,nay sense, some alternative facts coming soon #areyoutheresidney
Good thing we're not dealing with the Trump administration - he's just included an Education Secretary who thinks creationism should be allowed to be taught in class.
You... you mean to say that there is another explanation than an omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent entity that made everyone and everything?!!
Here you go...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation_Evidence_Museum
The things you know Joe
That shit is crazy - they have displays with early humans wandering the earth with dinosaurs (that all got wiped out in the Flood).
Couldn't make this shit up... oh, wait a mo'...
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"As Prof. Richard Dawkins said: "Science; it works, bitches!" Except when it doesn't you obnoxious, arrogant man.....(Dawkins, not you )
He is a very rude man.
Was listening to R4 one mooring and there was the Right Reverend Bishop of Somewhere giving a worthy if dull explanation of why we should let the love of Jesus into our hearts.
He was followed by Dawkins, who curtly put him down with;
"Well, I don;t see why we should listen to the bishop just because he has an imaginary friend!"
He pisses me off because he deliberately erects fallacious straw dogs, and if a scientist is dishonest, he is worthless. .If a scientist???
He's one of the world's most eminent evolutionary biologists!.
Don't give a damn - he has too strong a bias in his personal opinion for my liking..
He doesn't have to be likable to be right, facts don't care about your feelings, I know, life's a bitch!"I have no comment on his work, but his opinionated personal bigotry makes him a man of low value in my eyes. | |||
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Prove. It.
"I have no need to, lol! When the student is ready the teacher will appear....
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"As Prof. Richard Dawkins said: "Science; it works, bitches!" Except when it doesn't you obnoxious, arrogant man.....(Dawkins, not you )
He is a very rude man.
Was listening to R4 one mooring and there was the Right Reverend Bishop of Somewhere giving a worthy if dull explanation of why we should let the love of Jesus into our hearts.
He was followed by Dawkins, who curtly put him down with;
"Well, I don;t see why we should listen to the bishop just because he has an imaginary friend!"
He pisses me off because he deliberately erects fallacious straw dogs, and if a scientist is dishonest, he is worthless.
I have no reason to think a soul exists
I think we could illustrate far more data illustrating nothing that could be defined as a soul leaves or enters the body or brain
Science when understood does work
It claims to know nothing it is merely a method employed to ensure data that can be used logically is as robust as practically possible at the time , done correctly it will acknowledge what it does not or cannot know and it's assumptions. Just because the daily mail can't report science and just because some dishonest people call themselves scientists does not affect what science actually is
I am unaware of a Dawkins strawman argument , perhaps share one ?
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Someone called Michael Ruse apparently said "The God Delusion makes me ashamed to be an atheist.....Richard Dawkins in The God Delusion would fail any introductory philosophy or religion course. Proudly he criticizes that whereof he knows nothing."
There would be many, many false arguments he makes like 'All Christians believe the world is only 4,000 years old' or 'Religion teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world.' or 'Everyone has the same religion as their parents'....it's just all venomous, pompous bullshit and that is NOT science, I have no respect for such a man!
"A person calling themselves atheist criticising Dawkins does not a straw man him make
However you show yourself to be a straw woman
He does NOT say all Christians are flat earthers but he does lament that some Christians want to teach this
He does not say ALL people follow the religion of their parents yet he does make an astute observation regarding the strength of the correlation across the world
He does suggest that religion blunts the need or desire to probe our origins , with this I'd say he is correct
In this case we refer to a religion meaning it's followers belive a creator exists, other religions exist but as this is the GOD delusion and the only thing God believers seem to agree about their delusion is they believe it created everything (if not it is not a God concept only a powerful alien )
Thus by default the believer already knows what the origins of everything is thus is not inspired to look beyond x that's fair logic not a straw man
And yes I talk to horses every morning
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"Oh and the spirit is not physical, so why would it be subject to a physical death? "
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"As Prof. Richard Dawkins said: "Science; it works, bitches!" Except when it doesn't you obnoxious, arrogant man.....(Dawkins, not you )
He is a very rude man.
Was listening to R4 one mooring and there was the Right Reverend Bishop of Somewhere giving a worthy if dull explanation of why we should let the love of Jesus into our hearts.
He was followed by Dawkins, who curtly put him down with;
"Well, I don;t see why we should listen to the bishop just because he has an imaginary friend!"
He pisses me off because he deliberately erects fallacious straw dogs, and if a scientist is dishonest, he is worthless.
I have no reason to think a soul exists
I think we could illustrate far more data illustrating nothing that could be defined as a soul leaves or enters the body or brain
Science when understood does work
It claims to know nothing it is merely a method employed to ensure data that can be used logically is as robust as practically possible at the time , done correctly it will acknowledge what it does not or cannot know and it's assumptions. Just because the daily mail can't report science and just because some dishonest people call themselves scientists does not affect what science actually is
I am unaware of a Dawkins strawman argument , perhaps share one ?
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Someone called Michael Ruse apparently said "The God Delusion makes me ashamed to be an atheist.....Richard Dawkins in The God Delusion would fail any introductory philosophy or religion course. Proudly he criticizes that whereof he knows nothing."
There would be many, many false arguments he makes like 'All Christians believe the world is only 4,000 years old' or 'Religion teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world.' or 'Everyone has the same religion as their parents'....it's just all venomous, pompous bullshit and that is NOT science, I have no respect for such a man!
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" A person calling themselves atheist criticising Dawkins does not a straw man him make
However you show yourself to be a straw woman
He does NOT say all Christians are flat earthers but he does lament that some Christians want to teach this
He does not say ALL people follow the religion of their parents yet he does make an astute observation regarding the strength of the correlation across the world
He does suggest that religion blunts the need or desire to probe our origins , with this I'd say he is correct
In this case we refer to a religion meaning it's followers belive a creator exists, other religions exist but as this is the GOD delusion and the only thing God believers seem to agree about their delusion is they believe it created everything (if not it is not a God concept only a powerful alien )
Thus by default the believer already knows what the origins of everything is thus is not inspired to look beyond x that's fair logic not a straw man
And yes I talk to horses every morning
"But do you connect with their spirits? Two of the Dawkins generalisations were direct quotes, the third I heard him say myself. Regardless - he makes many erroneous claims about what other people believe in order to belittle them, but in doing so merely belittles himself. You are incorrect in your assumptions, like Dawkins - you need to check the facts!! Believers do not cease to question, on the contrary, many of those I know excitedly study modern science to find out more about HOW the universe was created and functions - when science and spirituality work together with truly open minds they can fill in the blanks for each other. But of course if you prefer Dawkins ignorance and dogma then fill your boots | |||
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"As Prof. Richard Dawkins said: "Science; it works, bitches!" Except when it doesn't you obnoxious, arrogant man.....(Dawkins, not you )
He is a very rude man.
Was listening to R4 one mooring and there was the Right Reverend Bishop of Somewhere giving a worthy if dull explanation of why we should let the love of Jesus into our hearts.
He was followed by Dawkins, who curtly put him down with;
"Well, I don;t see why we should listen to the bishop just because he has an imaginary friend!"
He pisses me off because he deliberately erects fallacious straw dogs, and if a scientist is dishonest, he is worthless.
I have no reason to think a soul exists
I think we could illustrate far more data illustrating nothing that could be defined as a soul leaves or enters the body or brain
Science when understood does work
It claims to know nothing it is merely a method employed to ensure data that can be used logically is as robust as practically possible at the time , done correctly it will acknowledge what it does not or cannot know and it's assumptions. Just because the daily mail can't report science and just because some dishonest people call themselves scientists does not affect what science actually is
I am unaware of a Dawkins strawman argument , perhaps share one ?
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Someone called Michael Ruse apparently said "The God Delusion makes me ashamed to be an atheist.....Richard Dawkins in The God Delusion would fail any introductory philosophy or religion course. Proudly he criticizes that whereof he knows nothing."
There would be many, many false arguments he makes like 'All Christians believe the world is only 4,000 years old' or 'Religion teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world.' or 'Everyone has the same religion as their parents'....it's just all venomous, pompous bullshit and that is NOT science, I have no respect for such a man!
You haven't read it, have you? "I have heard him speak, that was more than enough to see how dogmatic and ignorant he is on the subject of spirituality. I see no conflict between science and the spiritual. My background was scientific and atheistic, I was just open minded enough to ignore the dogma and go find some evidence. | |||
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"As Prof. Richard Dawkins said: "Science; it works, bitches!" Except when it doesn't you obnoxious, arrogant man.....(Dawkins, not you )
He is a very rude man.
Was listening to R4 one mooring and there was the Right Reverend Bishop of Somewhere giving a worthy if dull explanation of why we should let the love of Jesus into our hearts.
He was followed by Dawkins, who curtly put him down with;
"Well, I don;t see why we should listen to the bishop just because he has an imaginary friend!"
He pisses me off because he deliberately erects fallacious straw dogs, and if a scientist is dishonest, he is worthless.
I have no reason to think a soul exists
I think we could illustrate far more data illustrating nothing that could be defined as a soul leaves or enters the body or brain
Science when understood does work
It claims to know nothing it is merely a method employed to ensure data that can be used logically is as robust as practically possible at the time , done correctly it will acknowledge what it does not or cannot know and it's assumptions. Just because the daily mail can't report science and just because some dishonest people call themselves scientists does not affect what science actually is
I am unaware of a Dawkins strawman argument , perhaps share one ?
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Someone called Michael Ruse apparently said "The God Delusion makes me ashamed to be an atheist.....Richard Dawkins in The God Delusion would fail any introductory philosophy or religion course. Proudly he criticizes that whereof he knows nothing."
There would be many, many false arguments he makes like 'All Christians believe the world is only 4,000 years old' or 'Religion teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world.' or 'Everyone has the same religion as their parents'....it's just all venomous, pompous bullshit and that is NOT science, I have no respect for such a man!
You haven't read it, have you?
I have heard him speak, that was more than enough to see how dogmatic and ignorant he is on the subject of spirituality. I see no conflict between science and the spiritual. My background was scientific and atheistic, I was just open minded enough to ignore the dogma and go find some evidence. "Dawkins is anti-dogma, that's kind of the point. If you are going to comment on a book, perhaps try reading it first. | |||
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"As Prof. Richard Dawkins said: "Science; it works, bitches!" Except when it doesn't you obnoxious, arrogant man.....(Dawkins, not you )
He is a very rude man.
Was listening to R4 one mooring and there was the Right Reverend Bishop of Somewhere giving a worthy if dull explanation of why we should let the love of Jesus into our hearts.
He was followed by Dawkins, who curtly put him down with;
"Well, I don;t see why we should listen to the bishop just because he has an imaginary friend!"
He pisses me off because he deliberately erects fallacious straw dogs, and if a scientist is dishonest, he is worthless.
I have no reason to think a soul exists
I think we could illustrate far more data illustrating nothing that could be defined as a soul leaves or enters the body or brain
Science when understood does work
It claims to know nothing it is merely a method employed to ensure data that can be used logically is as robust as practically possible at the time , done correctly it will acknowledge what it does not or cannot know and it's assumptions. Just because the daily mail can't report science and just because some dishonest people call themselves scientists does not affect what science actually is
I am unaware of a Dawkins strawman argument , perhaps share one ?
?
Someone called Michael Ruse apparently said "The God Delusion makes me ashamed to be an atheist.....Richard Dawkins in The God Delusion would fail any introductory philosophy or religion course. Proudly he criticizes that whereof he knows nothing."
There would be many, many false arguments he makes like 'All Christians believe the world is only 4,000 years old' or 'Religion teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world.' or 'Everyone has the same religion as their parents'....it's just all venomous, pompous bullshit and that is NOT science, I have no respect for such a man!
You haven't read it, have you?
I have heard him speak, that was more than enough to see how dogmatic and ignorant he is on the subject of spirituality. I see no conflict between science and the spiritual. My background was scientific and atheistic, I was just open minded enough to ignore the dogma and go find some evidence.
Dawkins is anti-dogma, that's kind of the point.
If you are going to comment on a book, perhaps try reading it first. "I'm not commenting on a book - I'm commenting on the ignorance and bias I have heard and seen from the author of it. | |||
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"How did they prove it?" The multiverse theory is a well established theory - but its unprovable. | |||
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"As Prof. Richard Dawkins said: "Science; it works, bitches!" Except when it doesn't you obnoxious, arrogant man.....(Dawkins, not you )
He is a very rude man.
Was listening to R4 one mooring and there was the Right Reverend Bishop of Somewhere giving a worthy if dull explanation of why we should let the love of Jesus into our hearts.
He was followed by Dawkins, who curtly put him down with;
"Well, I don;t see why we should listen to the bishop just because he has an imaginary friend!"
He pisses me off because he deliberately erects fallacious straw dogs, and if a scientist is dishonest, he is worthless.
I have no reason to think a soul exists
I think we could illustrate far more data illustrating nothing that could be defined as a soul leaves or enters the body or brain
Science when understood does work
It claims to know nothing it is merely a method employed to ensure data that can be used logically is as robust as practically possible at the time , done correctly it will acknowledge what it does not or cannot know and it's assumptions. Just because the daily mail can't report science and just because some dishonest people call themselves scientists does not affect what science actually is
I am unaware of a Dawkins strawman argument , perhaps share one ?
?
Someone called Michael Ruse apparently said "The God Delusion makes me ashamed to be an atheist.....Richard Dawkins in The God Delusion would fail any introductory philosophy or religion course. Proudly he criticizes that whereof he knows nothing."
There would be many, many false arguments he makes like 'All Christians believe the world is only 4,000 years old' or 'Religion teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world.' or 'Everyone has the same religion as their parents'....it's just all venomous, pompous bullshit and that is NOT science, I have no respect for such a man!
You haven't read it, have you?
I have heard him speak, that was more than enough to see how dogmatic and ignorant he is on the subject of spirituality. I see no conflict between science and the spiritual. My background was scientific and atheistic, I was just open minded enough to ignore the dogma and go find some evidence.
Dawkins is anti-dogma, that's kind of the point.
If you are going to comment on a book, perhaps try reading it first.
I'm not commenting on a book - I'm commenting on the ignorance and bias I have heard and seen from the author of it. "By admitting your own in not actually having read anything by Dawkins? Interesting tactic. | |||
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"As Prof. Richard Dawkins said: "Science; it works, bitches!" Except when it doesn't you obnoxious, arrogant man.....(Dawkins, not you )
He is a very rude man.
Was listening to R4 one mooring and there was the Right Reverend Bishop of Somewhere giving a worthy if dull explanation of why we should let the love of Jesus into our hearts.
He was followed by Dawkins, who curtly put him down with;
"Well, I don;t see why we should listen to the bishop just because he has an imaginary friend!"
He pisses me off because he deliberately erects fallacious straw dogs, and if a scientist is dishonest, he is worthless.
I have no reason to think a soul exists
I think we could illustrate far more data illustrating nothing that could be defined as a soul leaves or enters the body or brain
Science when understood does work
It claims to know nothing it is merely a method employed to ensure data that can be used logically is as robust as practically possible at the time , done correctly it will acknowledge what it does not or cannot know and it's assumptions. Just because the daily mail can't report science and just because some dishonest people call themselves scientists does not affect what science actually is
I am unaware of a Dawkins strawman argument , perhaps share one ?
?
Someone called Michael Ruse apparently said "The God Delusion makes me ashamed to be an atheist.....Richard Dawkins in The God Delusion would fail any introductory philosophy or religion course. Proudly he criticizes that whereof he knows nothing."
There would be many, many false arguments he makes like 'All Christians believe the world is only 4,000 years old' or 'Religion teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world.' or 'Everyone has the same religion as their parents'....it's just all venomous, pompous bullshit and that is NOT science, I have no respect for such a man!
You haven't read it, have you?
I have heard him speak, that was more than enough to see how dogmatic and ignorant he is on the subject of spirituality. I see no conflict between science and the spiritual. My background was scientific and atheistic, I was just open minded enough to ignore the dogma and go find some evidence.
Dawkins is anti-dogma, that's kind of the point.
If you are going to comment on a book, perhaps try reading it first.
I'm not commenting on a book - I'm commenting on the ignorance and bias I have heard and seen from the author of it.
By admitting your own in not actually having read anything by Dawkins? Interesting tactic. "I don't have to have knowledge of a book I have no interest in discussing lol! What I have seen of the man in recorded interviews is enough to demonstrate conclusively he creates straw dogs - if he does it in full knowledge of the truth that makes him even more of a deceiver, so I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt in suggesting he is merely ignorant. | |||
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"Multiverse is a theory. By accepting it you can say anything happens in the other ones, because there is an infinite number of them, so all possibilities can and do happen. You can't argue against it and it can't be proven either." . It's a hypothesis not a theory, there completely different things | |||
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"I can feel,nay sense, some alternative facts coming soon #areyoutheresidney ". See I told you some alternative facts were coming. I'm a deviner of truth from the lord all mighty. No the reality is I can rest assured that so me di ck will just spout any old nonsense as truths or just say, no I'm not saying it's true I'm just saying it's possible!, yeah it's possible I'll get three shags off here tonight, just not likely | |||
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"To be honest,I think that thinking you know everything about science is as bad as not wanting to know anything about science. I would not discount life after death, or an idea like eternal energy... the universe could really be a big cyclic thing, rather than just a 'big bang' While I am in no way religious,there can sometimes be some rather weird reasons why we even have value on rare materials like gold,diamonds etc...when in fact, these things have been important in improving modern technology...perhaps ancient ones werent as daft as we thought.... There no more important than silver or hydrogen or helium, where would we be without argon or uranium or oxygen, were all atoms? So what atoms don't last forever, everything decays, it's the only natural order, to decay and die. Now rebirth is another story, do we hold some memory created by a biological organism called a brain, Sadly I very much doubt it! diamonds and lasers: https://phys.org/news/2013-08-diamonds-laser-scientist-friend.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/01/03/e6s-diamond-sculptors-push-envelope-lasers-quantum-realm/ nahhh useless arent they?. No more important than carbon!. My personal thoughts is that modern day life has created and moulded us in a way of thought structure that makes us say diamonds amazing, carbon errr oh. Oh wait diamonds are carbon, silly me, in fact all the elements are made from hydrogen and helium anyhow, born from stars and decaying down the ladder of death, were no different than sharks or alligators, in fact the five main elements in your body are the same five elements in the universe, what is in essence in you is in me and in sharks and alligators and the universe, were all one. The only difference I perceive is humans have the ability to contemplate our momentarily existence in this oneness, to imagine were something special and separate is stupidity despite the elements etc.. I've already pointed out further above that I think humans will no longer be humans in the future,biotech and further on into AI will undoubtedly make us a bit 'special'.So I disagree it is stupidity that we are not special on this earth anyway for now..it might be for some of the wrong reasons..but I have hope.. Hope is a terrible thing, it brings nothing but despair, no other creature on this earth gives a shit about "our" feats of achievement. The only truism I know is to fear death but not to live your life afraid of dying. If anyone figures out how to do that feel free to message me the answer" Be the change you want to see in the world......either that or be a dog.....they don't care about all that shit,and they can lick their own balls!  | |||
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