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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

What's the thoughts

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

What's your thoughts I meant to say

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If I'm creating a new bank note. My first thought isn't 'will this offend the vegetarians'?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

general thoughts on this are Meh... so far the calculations are in and less than 1 cow was harmed in the making of all those fivers.. they also don't seem to understand it is used in so many other things than fivers..

there are even animal derivatives in a lot of condoms... in the form of glycerin

*cue the vegetarians swearing off sex*

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Not vegis, it's the vegans that are kicking off.lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Not vegis, it's the vegans that are kicking off.lol"

it is both

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why should the masses live to please the minorities? It kills my pig ??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I thought vegetarians didn't eat meat.

I didn't know they did eat fivers.

Who'd have guessed eh?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

They say that they don't have a choice as it's money, yet it's like everything else in their life it's about compromise, they can use cards and contactless payments or ask for coins in their change. The thing that gets me about this is there is a lot worse things going on to animals, such as brutal halal slaughtering but there's no protests outside mosques because this just isn't politically correctin lefty world

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

The interview on R4 last night was priceless. Eddie Mair asks if the woman who is objecting to this has used a new fiver and she says no as she uses contactless payment for small things. He asks about wearing leather and she says that's OK as it's a by-product of the animal after death.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"They say that they don't have a choice as it's money, yet it's like everything else in their life it's about compromise, they can use cards and contactless payments or ask for coins in their change. The thing that gets me about this is there is a lot worse things going on to animals, such as brutal halal slaughtering but there's no protests outside mosques because this just isn't politically correctin lefty world"

You had to go and spoil it, didn't you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The interview on R4 last night was priceless. Eddie Mair asks if the woman who is objecting to this has used a new fiver and she says no as she uses contactless payment for small things. He asks about wearing leather and she says that's OK as it's a by-product of the animal after death.

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You can't make up shit like this.

Priceless.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Not vegis, it's the vegans that are kicking off.lol"

They all sound the same.

Potato , potato.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They say that they don't have a choice as it's money, yet it's like everything else in their life it's about compromise, they can use cards and contactless payments or ask for coins in their change. The thing that gets me about this is there is a lot worse things going on to animals, such as brutal halal slaughtering but there's no protests outside mosques because this just isn't politically correctin lefty world"

From new fivers storm in a teacup to some nice causal racism in 10 posts...

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"They say that they don't have a choice as it's money, yet it's like everything else in their life it's about compromise, they can use cards and contactless payments or ask for coins in their change. The thing that gets me about this is there is a lot worse things going on to animals, such as brutal halal slaughtering but there's no protests outside mosques because this just isn't politically correctin lefty world

From new fivers storm in a teacup to some nice causal racism in 10 posts... "

Excuse me, why is this racism

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They say that they don't have a choice as it's money, yet it's like everything else in their life it's about compromise, they can use cards and contactless payments or ask for coins in their change. The thing that gets me about this is there is a lot worse things going on to animals, such as brutal halal slaughtering but there's no protests outside mosques because this just isn't politically correctin lefty world

From new fivers storm in a teacup to some nice causal racism in 10 posts... "

Snowflake.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If the notes can be made out of something else, then I'd have no issue with them changing it and they probably should. If they can't easily be made out of something else, or it will cost a load more, then people will just have to suck it up and avoid them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They say that they don't have a choice as it's money, yet it's like everything else in their life it's about compromise, they can use cards and contactless payments or ask for coins in their change. The thing that gets me about this is there is a lot worse things going on to animals, such as brutal halal slaughtering but there's no protests outside mosques because this just isn't politically correctin lefty world

From new fivers storm in a teacup to some nice causal racism in 10 posts...

Excuse me, why is this racism"

I said it was casual racism. A subtle difference.

It;s defined as: Casual racism is one form of racism. It refers to conduct involving negative stereotypes or prejudices about people on the basis of race, colour or ethnicity. Examples include jokes, off-handed comments, and exclusion of people from social situations on the basis of race.

Are you sayong your comment doesn;t fit that criteria?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A bacon sandwich will cheer them up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yawn!

More first world problems!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"They say that they don't have a choice as it's money, yet it's like everything else in their life it's about compromise, they can use cards and contactless payments or ask for coins in their change. The thing that gets me about this is there is a lot worse things going on to animals, such as brutal halal slaughtering but there's no protests outside mosques because this just isn't politically correctin lefty world

I didn't mention race, colour or ethnicity, which is just another word for the previous two, I mentioned a type ritual killing which is carried out on a barbaric scale in this country under the guise of religion, religion as nothing to do with race. The point was that a bit of beef in a bank note is nothing compared to this brutal behaviour and if they are so concerned for animal welfare, their time would be better served on real issues

From new fivers storm in a teacup to some nice causal racism in 10 posts...

Excuse me, why is this racism

I said it was casual racism. A subtle difference.

It;s defined as: Casual racism is one form of racism. It refers to conduct involving negative stereotypes or prejudices about people on the basis of race, colour or ethnicity. Examples include jokes, off-handed comments, and exclusion of people from social situations on the basis of race.

Are you sayong your comment doesn;t fit that criteria?"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Imagine how much meat will be in a tenner

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"They say that they don't have a choice as it's money, yet it's like everything else in their life it's about compromise, they can use cards and contactless payments or ask for coins in their change. The thing that gets me about this is there is a lot worse things going on to animals, such as brutal halal slaughtering but there's no protests outside mosques because this just isn't politically correctin lefty world

I didn't mention race, colour or ethnicity, which is just another word for the previous two, I mentioned a type ritual killing which is carried out on a barbaric scale in this country under the guise of religion, religion as nothing to do with race. The point was that a bit of beef in a bank note is nothing compared to this brutal behaviour and if they are so concerned for animal welfare, their time would be better served on real issues

From new fivers storm in a teacup to some nice causal racism in 10 posts...

Excuse me, why is this racism

I said it was casual racism. A subtle difference.

It;s defined as: Casual racism is one form of racism. It refers to conduct involving negative stereotypes or prejudices about people on the basis of race, colour or ethnicity. Examples include jokes, off-handed comments, and exclusion of people from social situations on the basis of race.

Are you sayong your comment doesn;t fit that criteria?"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's sad to see some swingers - themselves members of a fringe community whose progressive philosophy and practices are often the target of poorly-considered mockery by mainstream society - so quick to subject the beliefs of vegetarians, vegans, Hindus, etc. to the same kind of belittlement.

That the online petition has garnered over 100,000 signatures in less than 48 hours and attracted national media attention should tell you that the issue [thankfully] isn't a minority concern.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's sad to see some swingers - themselves members of a fringe community whose progressive philosophy and practices are often the target of poorly-considered mockery by mainstream society - so quick to subject the beliefs of vegetarians, vegans, Hindus, etc. to the same kind of belittlement.

That the online petition has garnered over 100,000 signatures in less than 48 hours and attracted national media attention should tell you that the issue [thankfully] isn't a minority concern. "

100,000 is definitely a minority.

I can't see how you're going to make it through life if you're going to be outraged at stuff like this.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"It's sad to see some swingers - themselves members of a fringe community whose progressive philosophy and practices are often the target of poorly-considered mockery by mainstream society - so quick to subject the beliefs of vegetarians, vegans, Hindus, etc. to the same kind of belittlement.

That the online petition has garnered over 100,000 signatures in less than 48 hours and attracted national media attention should tell you that the issue [thankfully] isn't a minority concern. "

I wasn't belittling anybody just pointing out that there is bugger issues regarding the plight of animals

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can they make the new £20's roast chicken flavour?

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"The interview on R4 last night was priceless. Eddie Mair asks if the woman who is objecting to this has used a new fiver and she says no as she uses contactless payment for small things. He asks about wearing leather and she says that's OK as it's a by-product of the animal after death.

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Well that's fine, I only eat beef that is a by-product of the leather industry

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By *harpDressed ManMan
over a year ago

Here occasionally, but mostly somewhere else

The Bank of England have just announced that it's not an animal byproduct, it's actually human.

Made from the carcasses of people executed for bestiality.

Vegans are expected to be conflicted...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Are these the ones who dont wear leather ?

So how do they get on with leather seats,or at least leather steering wheel im car

Oh sorry guess they ride old style push iron bikes...ones with saddles with springs under them...also made of leather

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By *piritsonfabCouple
over a year ago

Nottingham


"They say that they don't have a choice as it's money, yet it's like everything else in their life it's about compromise, they can use cards and contactless payments or ask for coins in their change. The thing that gets me about this is there is a lot worse things going on to animals, such as brutal halal slaughtering but there's no protests outside mosques because this just isn't politically correctin lefty world

From new fivers storm in a teacup to some nice causal racism in 10 posts... "

Your storm in a tea cup is important to those people who want to live their life as best they can without using animal products. At least it's a life system based on morals and ethics and not a sky fairy. That is surely worthy of a little respect, even if you don't do it yourself?

I find many people are very pious when it comes to not bad mouthing or disrespecting certain groups, but a group which actively tries to reduce harm is safely and frequently vilified and made fun of.

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By *piritsonfabCouple
over a year ago

Nottingham


"Are these the ones who dont wear leather ?

So how do they get on with leather seats,or at least leather steering wheel im car

Oh sorry guess they ride old style push iron bikes...ones with saddles with springs under them...also made of leather "

More ridiculous ignorant statements.

Vegans TRY as best they can to avoid using animal products themselves. And CHOOSE the least offensive choice when that's not possible.

Instead of mocking them, why not give their life choices - based on attempting to live without causing other creatures harm - some respect. Exactly the same as I'm sure you'd want someone who doesn't understand YOUR life choices and lifestyle some respect.

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan
over a year ago

Kent

It is a shame that humans continue to find new and interesting ways of exploiting animals and it's constantly treated as a joke even though the upstream processes involved in obtaining the substance are pretty vile and would violate anybody's principles, lofty or not, but I also accept that this is, in many ways, a non-vegan world. I think it's good that a noise is being made about it because there is a long history of companies, institutions responding to pressure. I'm not going to boycott them, though; far more effective in this case is, I think, to encourage the Bank of England to find a more humane solution.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I think that using cow extracts in new currency shouldn't be done, unless there are no reasonable alternatives, due to vegans and others who have it imposed on them, without choice.

It should have been made public before now too.

I admire vegans for their ethical principles.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think that using cow extracts in new currency shouldn't be done, unless there are no reasonable alternatives, due to vegans and others who have it imposed on them, without choice.

It should have been made public before now too.

I admire vegans for their ethical principles. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Plants have feelings too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Are these the ones who dont wear leather ?

So how do they get on with leather seats,or at least leather steering wheel im car

Oh sorry guess they ride old style push iron bikes...ones with saddles with springs under them...also made of leather

More ridiculous ignorant statements.

Vegans TRY as best they can to avoid using animal products themselves. And CHOOSE the least offensive choice when that's not possible.

Instead of mocking them, why not give their life choices - based on attempting to live without causing other creatures harm - some respect. Exactly the same as I'm sure you'd want someone who doesn't understand YOUR life choices and lifestyle some respect. "

Sod that im of t'ut butchers in morning

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By *piritsonfabCouple
over a year ago

Nottingham


"Are these the ones who dont wear leather ?

So how do they get on with leather seats,or at least leather steering wheel im car

Oh sorry guess they ride old style push iron bikes...ones with saddles with springs under them...also made of leather

More ridiculous ignorant statements.

Vegans TRY as best they can to avoid using animal products themselves. And CHOOSE the least offensive choice when that's not possible.

Instead of mocking them, why not give their life choices - based on attempting to live without causing other creatures harm - some respect. Exactly the same as I'm sure you'd want someone who doesn't understand YOUR life choices and lifestyle some respect.

Sod that im of t'ut butchers in morning "

Typical bloke.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My thoughts are that with everything else going on in the world anyone seeing this as a major issue needs to get a life

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I thought vegetarians didn't eat meat.

I didn't know they did eat fivers.

Who'd have guessed eh? "

Lol

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By *ikeriderMan
over a year ago

prestatyn


"From new fivers storm in a teacup to some nice causal racism in 10 posts...

Your storm in a tea cup is important to those people who want to live their life as best they can without using animal products. At least it's a life system based on morals and ethics and not a sky fairy. That is surely worthy of a little respect, even if you don't do it yourself?

I find many people are very pious when it comes to not bad mouthing or disrespecting certain groups, but a group which actively tries to reduce harm is safely and frequently vilified and made fun of.

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Nice response, shame you had to bad mouth religion in your reply though.

Double standards?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They say that they don't have a choice as it's money, yet it's like everything else in their life it's about compromise, they can use cards and contactless payments or ask for coins in their change. The thing that gets me about this is there is a lot worse things going on to animals, such as brutal halal slaughtering but there's no protests outside mosques because this just isn't politically correctin lefty world"

The only difference between halal and kosher is the religious text read at the time of slaughter. You haven't slated Jews.

Anyway what about the slaughter is more brutal than "our" way?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"They say that they don't have a choice as it's money, yet it's like everything else in their life it's about compromise, they can use cards and contactless payments or ask for coins in their change. The thing that gets me about this is there is a lot worse things going on to animals, such as brutal halal slaughtering but there's no protests outside mosques because this just isn't politically correctin lefty world

The only difference between halal and kosher is the religious text read at the time of slaughter. You haven't slated Jews.

Anyway what about the slaughter is more brutal than "our" way?

"

I haven't slated muslims either, I've just stated that halal slaugfher is cruel and barbaric. Has for your question on how it is more brutal than our way, there are laws in place which state that the killing should be done as quickly and humanely as possible to reduce the prolonged suffering. Please watch some of the videos which have recently come to light, some of which have been filmed by muslims and then tell me there is no difference

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They say that they don't have a choice as it's money, yet it's like everything else in their life it's about compromise, they can use cards and contactless payments or ask for coins in their change. The thing that gets me about this is there is a lot worse things going on to animals, such as brutal halal slaughtering but there's no protests outside mosques because this just isn't politically correctin lefty world

The only difference between halal and kosher is the religious text read at the time of slaughter. You haven't slated Jews.

Anyway what about the slaughter is more brutal than "our" way?

I haven't slated muslims either, I've just stated that halal slaugfher is cruel and barbaric. Has for your question on how it is more brutal than our way, there are laws in place which state that the killing should be done as quickly and humanely as possible to reduce the prolonged suffering. Please watch some of the videos which have recently come to light, some of which have been filmed by muslims and then tell me there is no difference "

What laws make 'our way' more humane and how do those laws not apply to halal killings?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They say that they don't have a choice as it's money, yet it's like everything else in their life it's about compromise, they can use cards and contactless payments or ask for coins in their change. The thing that gets me about this is there is a lot worse things going on to animals, such as brutal halal slaughtering but there's no protests outside mosques because this just isn't politically correctin lefty world

From new fivers storm in a teacup to some nice causal racism in 10 posts...

Your storm in a tea cup is important to those people who want to live their life as best they can without using animal products. At least it's a life system based on morals and ethics and not a sky fairy. That is surely worthy of a little respect, even if you don't do it yourself?

I find many people are very pious when it comes to not bad mouthing or disrespecting certain groups, but a group which actively tries to reduce harm is safely and frequently vilified and made fun of.

"

So you're against "bad mouthing or disrespecting" some groups - but anyone who is religious is following a sky fairy and has no morals or ethics? Righto then.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think that governments shouldn't force our hand on matters such as this, and that everyone should be able to choose their own ethical code.

On that grounds I'll be refusing the new notes And asking for coins instead. The shops would soon organize and demand change if that happened.

Other countries do not use animal products in the manufacturing process of their plastic notes. It's a cost saving excercise by the suppliers to our government.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What animals bi product is used?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Are these the ones who dont wear leather ?

So how do they get on with leather seats,or at least leather steering wheel im car

Oh sorry guess they ride old style push iron bikes...ones with saddles with springs under them...also made of leather

More ridiculous ignorant statements.

Vegans TRY as best they can to avoid using animal products themselves. And CHOOSE the least offensive choice when that's not possible.

Instead of mocking them, why not give their life choices - based on attempting to live without causing other creatures harm - some respect. Exactly the same as I'm sure you'd want someone who doesn't understand YOUR life choices and lifestyle some respect.

Sod that im of t'ut butchers in morning

Typical bloke. "

Oh the irony!

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"What animals bi product is used?"

Tallow

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What animals bi product is used?

Tallow"

a hard fatty substance made from rendered animal fat, used (especially formerly) in making candles and soap.

if this from a pig then youve got to say most muslims wont handle these notes

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By *odareyouMan
over a year ago

not far from iceland,,,,,, tescos is nearer though :-) (near leeds)

If they change the manufacturing process will the new fivers have a V on them like the menus in restaurants..?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They say that they don't have a choice as it's money, yet it's like everything else in their life it's about compromise, they can use cards and contactless payments or ask for coins in their change. The thing that gets me about this is there is a lot worse things going on to animals, such as brutal halal slaughtering but there's no protests outside mosques because this just isn't politically correctin lefty world

From new fivers storm in a teacup to some nice causal racism in 10 posts...

Your storm in a tea cup is important to those people who want to live their life as best they can without using animal products. At least it's a life system based on morals and ethics and not a sky fairy. That is surely worthy of a little respect, even if you don't do it yourself?

I find many people are very pious when it comes to not bad mouthing or disrespecting certain groups, but a group which actively tries to reduce harm is safely and frequently vilified and made fun of.

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I think that given the amount of animal products in the new fiver equates to roughly half a caw and over 2 and a half million cows are killed in Britain each year for their meat I stand by my 'storm in a teacup' comment.

I've not vilified or ridiculed anyone be that for their ethical or religious rants (unlike you with your 'sky fairy' comments) so truth be told I'm a little bewildered why those comments were seemingly directed at me?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think that governments shouldn't force our hand on matters such as this, and that everyone should be able to choose their own ethical code.

On that grounds I'll be refusing the new notes And asking for coins instead. The shops would soon organize and demand change if that happened.

Other countries do not use animal products in the manufacturing process of their plastic notes. It's a cost saving excercise by the suppliers to our government."

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"What animals bi product is used?

Tallow

a hard fatty substance made from rendered animal fat, used (especially formerly) in making candles and soap.

if this from a pig then youve got to say most muslims wont handle these notes"

It's from cows so maybe the Hindu rather than Muslims but that's not as newsworthy I guess

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"What animals bi product is used?

Tallow

a hard fatty substance made from rendered animal fat, used (especially formerly) in making candles and soap.

if this from a pig then youve got to say most muslims wont handle these notes

It's from cows so maybe the Hindu rather than Muslims but that's not as newsworthy I guess "

Hindus.... Didn't want to get accused of thinking there is only one

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What animals bi product is used?

Tallow

a hard fatty substance made from rendered animal fat, used (especially formerly) in making candles and soap.

if this from a pig then youve got to say most muslims wont handle these notes

It's from cows so maybe the Hindu rather than Muslims but that's not as newsworthy I guess "

Beef & Mutton produced tallow.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All this over a £5 note. When the majority of people probably carry a wallet or purse with very little cash but a whole load of plastic.

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By *piritsonfabCouple
over a year ago

Nottingham


"They say that they don't have a choice as it's money, yet it's like everything else in their life it's about compromise, they can use cards and contactless payments or ask for coins in their change. The thing that gets me about this is there is a lot worse things going on to animals, such as brutal halal slaughtering but there's no protests outside mosques because this just isn't politically correctin lefty world

From new fivers storm in a teacup to some nice causal racism in 10 posts...

Your storm in a tea cup is important to those people who want to live their life as best they can without using animal products. At least it's a life system based on morals and ethics and not a sky fairy. That is surely worthy of a little respect, even if you don't do it yourself?

I find many people are very pious when it comes to not bad mouthing or disrespecting certain groups, but a group which actively tries to reduce harm is safely and frequently vilified and made fun of.

I think that given the amount of animal products in the new fiver equates to roughly half a caw and over 2 and a half million cows are killed in Britain each year for their meat I stand by my 'storm in a teacup' comment.

I've not vilified or ridiculed anyone be that for their ethical or religious rants (unlike you with your 'sky fairy' comments) so truth be told I'm a little bewildered why those comments were seemingly directed at me?"

It wasn't aimed specifically at you other than the storm in a teacup bit. I said "many people".

Which is exactly bourne out by the following comments

I have never put down anyone on these forums before, but the double standards made me itch to point out how some people don't like it when other people make comments about matters close to their own heart Or they stand up for other groups in preference. Eg, saying sky fairy or calling out a TV for their lack of tolerance. I was just showing how they don't like it, but are happy to do it to other groups.

Anyway, I have truly heard all the stupid comments and ridiculous statement there are to be heard over the years, so I'm bowing out of this thread, and I'll just ask for coins, without breaking a sweat.

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By *immerman100Man
over a year ago

Never never land

God help us then when the make the new £10 & £20 notes

I think i will set my own exchange shop very good rates 1 £5=4.50 in coins lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Depending on your views there's probably traces of a lot worse on all currency we handle from dirty hands transferring germs to traces of recreational substances.... but yet no outcry ????

Storm and tea cup does spring to mind

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If the notes can be made out of something else, then I'd have no issue with them changing it and they probably should. If they can't easily be made out of something else, or it will cost a load more, then people will just have to suck it up and avoid them. "

Yeah,bring on the £6 notes

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By *inkyChrissy99TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol

What a load of bs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Putting my feet up. Sipping a cup of tea and waiting for the meat is murder couple who appeared on the forum a few weeks ago. Should be an interesting day.

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By *LUKCouple
over a year ago

Loughborough

I'm with the vegans on this.

From this day forth I shall refrain from eating the new £5 note

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What animals bi product is used?"

I think it's the arse.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They say that they don't have a choice as it's money, yet it's like everything else in their life it's about compromise, they can use cards and contactless payments or ask for coins in their change. The thing that gets me about this is there is a lot worse things going on to animals, such as brutal halal slaughtering but there's no protests outside mosques because this just isn't politically correctin lefty world

From new fivers storm in a teacup to some nice causal racism in 10 posts...

Your storm in a tea cup is important to those people who want to live their life as best they can without using animal products. At least it's a life system based on morals and ethics and not a sky fairy. That is surely worthy of a little respect, even if you don't do it yourself?

I find many people are very pious when it comes to not bad mouthing or disrespecting certain groups, but a group which actively tries to reduce harm is safely and frequently vilified and made fun of.

I think that given the amount of animal products in the new fiver equates to roughly half a caw and over 2 and a half million cows are killed in Britain each year for their meat I stand by my 'storm in a teacup' comment.

I've not vilified or ridiculed anyone be that for their ethical or religious rants (unlike you with your 'sky fairy' comments) so truth be told I'm a little bewildered why those comments were seemingly directed at me?

It wasn't aimed specifically at you other than the storm in a teacup bit. I said "many people".

Which is exactly bourne out by the following comments

I have never put down anyone on these forums before, but the double standards made me itch to point out how some people don't like it when other people make comments about matters close to their own heart Or they stand up for other groups in preference. Eg, saying sky fairy or calling out a TV for their lack of tolerance. I was just showing how they don't like it, but are happy to do it to other groups.

Anyway, I have truly heard all the stupid comments and ridiculous statement there are to be heard over the years, so I'm bowing out of this thread, and I'll just ask for coins, without breaking a sweat.

"

Properly got on your high horse on this one...

Or maybe riding horses is against your animal rights ?

P.s. that steak pie i just had was mmmmmm to die for,after all thats what these animals are on tge planet for,food for humans

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If any vegans on here object to using the new fivers they can give them all to me I'll happily spend them!!!

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

don't lick them

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By *edylogosMan
over a year ago

wolverhampton

I have no problems with vegans or vegetarians. I do take issue with daft shit like this, who gives a fuck you're offended?

Be offended and crack on! It offends me people tell me I'm wrong because I eat meat. Is it offensive yes. Do I give a rats ass no....people love to moan about bollocks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have no problems with vegans or vegetarians. I do take issue with daft shit like this, who gives a fuck you're offended?

Be offended and crack on! It offends me people tell me I'm wrong because I eat meat. Is it offensive yes. Do I give a rats ass no....people love to moan about bollocks"

They make the fivers from cows bollocks?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They say that they don't have a choice as it's money, yet it's like everything else in their life it's about compromise, they can use cards and contactless payments or ask for coins in their change. The thing that gets me about this is there is a lot worse things going on to animals, such as brutal halal slaughtering but there's no protests outside mosques because this just isn't politically correctin lefty world

The only difference between halal and kosher is the religious text read at the time of slaughter. You haven't slated Jews.

Anyway what about the slaughter is more brutal than "our" way?

I haven't slated muslims either, I've just stated that halal slaugfher is cruel and barbaric. Has for your question on how it is more brutal than our way, there are laws in place which state that the killing should be done as quickly and humanely as possible to reduce the prolonged suffering. Please watch some of the videos which have recently come to light, some of which have been filmed by muslims and then tell me there is no difference "

Ur assumption tat it is barbaric and cruel is ur opinion in other countries these are also "laws" tat are put in place. how different is slicing an animals throat through the jugular (proven to cut all sensory nerves from the brain) while quickly snapping it's cerebral nerve any different from shooting electrical pulses through its brain to paralyse it in order for u not to see the pain it suffers internally?

Cattle are there for consumption if ure against it then stand ur ground on tat not on wether or not one way is better than the other. (Just because u saw a few documentaries which were obviously ones of animal cruelty labelled under halal practices to stabilise ur prejudice doesn't make u an expert. Until uve actually seen it in its place of origin practiced properly then u can make an informed decision!).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have no problems with vegans or vegetarians. I do take issue with daft shit like this, who gives a fuck you're offended?

Be offended and crack on! It offends me people tell me I'm wrong because I eat meat. Is it offensive yes. Do I give a rats ass no....people love to moan about bollocks

They make the fivers from cows bollocks? "

Do cows have bollocks?

I thought bullocks had bollocks.

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By *lowercandyWoman
over a year ago

Lancashire


"It's sad to see some swingers - themselves members of a fringe community whose progressive philosophy and practices are often the target of poorly-considered mockery by mainstream society - so quick to subject the beliefs of vegetarians, vegans, Hindus, etc. to the same kind of belittlement.

That the online petition has garnered over 100,000 signatures in less than 48 hours and attracted national media attention should tell you that the issue [thankfully] isn't a minority concern. "

I'm always a little dubious re online petitions

I've seen people jump on some bandwagons yet the petition doesn't give any information /evidence ...

Online and social media can create a stir on some topics which create a very popular petition that in reality if each individual were questioned and things discussed may not really agree

I point out that I am saying this as general release petitions based on my own experience not specific to this particular one..before anyone starts having a go.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There's an interesting point of view that all of the posturing from people, those who claim not to give a fuck about peoples feelings, is tied into toxic masculinity.

Veganism / animal rights / caring has always been seen as traditionally feminine (there are books and academic papers on this point). What better way to assert your masculinity than to trample over the feelings of those you see as less worthy than you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Quite ironic that such a fuss has been caused over a small amount of cow used in making fivers, no doubt the driving force Facebook, being powered by sheep has been completely overlooked

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By *LUKCouple
over a year ago

Loughborough

Yep, blame the men

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yep, blame the men"

15 blokes on this thread taking the piss or being outraged that people have ethics regarding animal welfare.

9 couples, which are mostly likely blokes posting.

3 women.

I mean, I'm not "blaming men" for anything. But it does indicate that perhaps this kind of moral outrage at people caring about the environment seems to have a common theme.

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By *LUKCouple
over a year ago

Loughborough

the ratios you posted seem consistent with the posting ratios in each thread.

Man outnumber women by a huge ratio on this site so 15 blokes and 3 women on this thread isn't indicative of anything unless you have confirmation bias

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"the ratios you posted seem consistent with the posting ratios in each thread.

Man outnumber women by a huge ratio on this site so 15 blokes and 3 women on this thread isn't indicative of anything unless you have confirmation bias"

The difference is - that there are more women than men in this thread who are not cracking jokes or being offended at animal rights activism.

Which is *not* consistent with the general ratios.

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By *aid backMan
over a year ago

by a lake with my rod out

vegans can go and fuck off they are the most annoying group of people I've ever seen. if they don't want to use fivers then ask not to get them in change

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By *LUKCouple
over a year ago

Loughborough


"

The difference is - that there are more women than men in this thread who are not cracking jokes or being offended at animal rights activism.

Which is *not* consistent with the general ratios."

Just had a quick skim and as far as I can see 1 male, 1 couple (who were going to count as a male seeing as you did) and 2 females have posted something supportive. So a 50/50 split

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd like to hear their views on the antimicrobial properties of copper....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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The difference is - that there are more women than men in this thread who are not cracking jokes or being offended at animal rights activism.

Which is *not* consistent with the general ratios.

Just had a quick skim and as far as I can see 1 male, 1 couple (who were going to count as a male seeing as you did) and 2 females have posted something supportive. So a 50/50 split

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Thank you for providing evidence supporting my point.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"vegans can go and fuck off they are the most annoying group of people I've ever seen. if they don't want to use fivers then ask not to get them in change"

You don't seem very _aid back there...

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By *ildt123Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield

Interesting that the monitory complaining about restricted choice think that it's ok to spend more of everyone's money so they, the minority's can have their wishes imposed on all.

Can't see why vegetarians are getting their knickers in a twist over it as they choose not to eat meat and £5 isn't food, if you wear leather it's same argument.

I can understand Vegans point of view but why should everyone pay more to meet their minority perspective?

As for the above halal/ kosher slaughter argument, to me it depends on the pre-stunning argument, it is law here that animals are pre stunned prior to being shot with a bolt gun, dome imams etc will say it's fine to pre stun before cutting the threat others forbid it. How you quickly slaughter after stunning makes little difference to be honest but personally I do not agree that slaughter with out pre stunning should ever be permitted. Raising a creature up by the back legs fully conscious before reading text and then slitting its throat is in my view unnecessarily cruel.

I eat meat and am happy to do so but I respect the rights of those who choose not to, never seen a meat eater kick off in a veggy restaurant that there's no steak available tho

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By *LUKCouple
over a year ago

Loughborough


"

Thank you for providing evidence supporting my point."

yes, a sample group of 4 people proves your point

I'm convinced now, blame men

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By *umpkinMan
over a year ago

near the sounds of the wimborne quarter jack!

As I understand it, and I stand to be corrected, the tallow isn`t actually part of the note itself but is used as a "release agent" to stop the polymer from sticking to the manufacturing machinery.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They say that they don't have a choice as it's money, yet it's like everything else in their life it's about compromise, they can use cards and contactless payments or ask for coins in their change. The thing that gets me about this is there is a lot worse things going on to animals, such as brutal halal slaughtering but there's no protests outside mosques because this just isn't politically correctin lefty world

The only difference between halal and kosher is the religious text read at the time of slaughter. You haven't slated Jews.

Anyway what about the slaughter is more brutal than "our" way?

I haven't slated muslims either, I've just stated that halal slaugfher is cruel and barbaric. Has for your question on how it is more brutal than our way, there are laws in place which state that the killing should be done as quickly and humanely as possible to reduce the prolonged suffering. Please watch some of the videos which have recently come to light, some of which have been filmed by muslims and then tell me there is no difference

What laws make 'our way' more humane and how do those laws not apply to halal killings?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hey guys, I am a Vegan and thisbis actually the first im hearing about this. Just had a quick look and the new £5 notes have tallow inside of them, it is a substance made from animal fat.

Yes the halal slaughtering is horrible. But us Vegans boycott all animal products, because we believe in co-existing with animals instead of breading them to sell them for money.

Its a bit upsetting as I had one last week and thought how cool it was.

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By *aid backMan
over a year ago

by a lake with my rod out


"vegans can go and fuck off they are the most annoying group of people I've ever seen. if they don't want to use fivers then ask not to get them in change

You don't seem very _aid back there..."

maybe but my sister is vagan and ive had to listen to her going on about all sorts of tripe (excuse the pun) about me fishing and shooting. so i might have no time for vegans

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wondering if this will make the ones already in circulation worth more ?

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By *ildt123Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield

Also I see so many vegetarians drinking beer and lager and Guinness etc lots of whom justify this as it's not in the beer it's just part of the process etc etc

Less feisty when it's just their pocket getting hit I fear

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If someone is using or eating something that is a animal or bi product of an animal then they are not a true Vegan. Many Vegans have different view on what is right or wrong, sometimes it can be that people havnt researched enough or they are posing as Vegan.

But to be a true Vegan is to live without consuming animal product and bi products of animals. I also dont consume palm oil as it causes deforestation, dehabilising animals and killing them.

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By *eforfuncplCouple
over a year ago

Morecambe

I couldn't eat a whole £5 lol but think I could manage a whole vegan xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am biased as I grew up on a westcountry farm, mixed dairy and livestock.

the key problem with vegetable growing is they don't allow wildlife. rabbits, mice, rats, (and cats) were all part of my life on a livestock farm. As a teenager I visited a eereal farm in anglia, and there was nothing alive silos full of grain and no mice.... same is true for most commercial veg growers, when wildlife is in competition with humans it tends to lose

But I support the right of people to disprove of meat and dairy production. I don't like factory farming of anything, nor will I use any dairy product from goats because they kill male kids as there is no market for the meat.

the small amount of tallow in question is a a by product of an existing kill, and nothing in the scheme of things, that cow in its lifetime allowed rats mice rabbits and all the other wildlife to exist, which may be compensation to compassionate vegans.

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By *kgeminiMan
over a year ago

Southampton

What else are they going to find meat products in?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What else are they going to find meat products in?"

What do you mean find meat products in? The components have to be released when something new come out.

Its only beacuse its new that people hadnt had the time to research what it was made of.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I trust those who will reject them will apply similar ethics to checking sources for things like energy, water, medicine....

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I am biased as I grew up on a westcountry farm, mixed dairy and livestock.

the key problem with vegetable growing is they don't allow wildlife. rabbits, mice, rats, (and cats) were all part of my life on a livestock farm. As a teenager I visited a eereal farm in anglia, and there was nothing alive silos full of grain and no mice.... same is true for most commercial veg growers, when wildlife is in competition with humans it tends to lose

But I support the right of people to disprove of meat and dairy production. I don't like factory farming of anything, nor will I use any dairy product from goats because they kill male kids as there is no market for the meat.

the small amount of tallow in question is a a by product of an existing kill, and nothing in the scheme of things, that cow in its lifetime allowed rats mice rabbits and all the other wildlife to exist, which may be compensation to compassionate vegans. "

That's a very interesting comment. I never thought about how different farms are run and how it affects wild life.

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley


"If they change the manufacturing process will the new fivers have a V on them like the menus in restaurants..?

"

But still might be used by nuts

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield


"They say that they don't have a choice as it's money, yet it's like everything else in their life it's about compromise, they can use cards and contactless payments or ask for coins in their change. The thing that gets me about this is there is a lot worse things going on to animals, such as brutal halal slaughtering but there's no protests outside mosques because this just isn't politically correctin lefty world

The only difference between halal and kosher is the religious text read at the time of slaughter. You haven't slated Jews.

Anyway what about the slaughter is more brutal than "our" way?

I haven't slated muslims either, I've just stated that halal slaugfher is cruel and barbaric. Has for your question on how it is more brutal than our way, there are laws in place which state that the killing should be done as quickly and humanely as possible to reduce the prolonged suffering. Please watch some of the videos which have recently come to light, some of which have been filmed by muslims and then tell me there is no difference

What laws make 'our way' more humane and how do those laws not apply to halal killings?

"

Uk law says an animal be stunned (unconscious) before it is killed. The exception is for religious grounds, so halal for muslims and kosher for jewish people. These animals are hung up and throats slit while fully concious.

I find this unacceptable. The welfare of the animal comes first for me, the rule should apply regardless.

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley


"They say that they don't have a choice as it's money, yet it's like everything else in their life it's about compromise, they can use cards and contactless payments or ask for coins in their change. The thing that gets me about this is there is a lot worse things going on to animals, such as brutal halal slaughtering but there's no protests outside mosques because this just isn't politically correctin lefty world

The only difference between halal and kosher is the religious text read at the time of slaughter. You haven't slated Jews.

Anyway what about the slaughter is more brutal than "our" way?

I haven't slated muslims either, I've just stated that halal slaugfher is cruel and barbaric. Has for your question on how it is more brutal than our way, there are laws in place which state that the killing should be done as quickly and humanely as possible to reduce the prolonged suffering. Please watch some of the videos which have recently come to light, some of which have been filmed by muslims and then tell me there is no difference

What laws make 'our way' more humane and how do those laws not apply to halal killings?

Uk law says an animal be stunned (unconscious) before it is killed. The exception is for religious grounds, so halal for muslims and kosher for jewish people. These animals are hung up and throats slit while fully concious.

I find this unacceptable. The welfare of the animal comes first for me, the rule should apply regardless."

Applying rules regardless may be regarded as blatant racism

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield


"

Uk law says an animal be stunned (unconscious) before it is killed. The exception is for religious grounds, so halal for muslims and kosher for jewish people. These animals are hung up and throats slit while fully concious.

I find this unacceptable. The welfare of the animal comes first for me, the rule should apply regardless.

Applying rules regardless may be regarded as blatant racism"

Well, that's difficult, because people should be allowed to practice their religion freely. But what is to be done where it infringes the law or what is morally ok?

I'm not religious, but I care about animal welfare. I struggle to see how making an animal bleed to death hung upside down is religious. So, on this one, I'm sticking to stunned killing only, sorry.

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley


"

Uk law says an animal be stunned (unconscious) before it is killed. The exception is for religious grounds, so halal for muslims and kosher for jewish people. These animals are hung up and throats slit while fully concious.

I find this unacceptable. The welfare of the animal comes first for me, the rule should apply regardless.

Applying rules regardless may be regarded as blatant racism

Well, that's difficult, because people should be allowed to practice their religion freely. But what is to be done where it infringes the law or what is morally ok?

I'm not religious, but I care about animal welfare. I struggle to see how making an animal bleed to death hung upside down is religious. So, on this one, I'm sticking to stunned killing only, sorry."

I agree that animals suffer more and that cannot be right

Just saying that religious rights are supposed to be protected and therefore not permitting a certain religious group their freedom may be considered discrimination

The only way it will work is if no religious group is permitted any concessions and everyone has to abide by the laws of the land. And whilst I am religious, I favour this approach

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield


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Well, that's difficult, because people should be allowed to practice their religion freely. But what is to be done where it infringes the law or what is morally ok?

I'm not religious, but I care about animal welfare. I struggle to see how making an animal bleed to death hung upside down is religious. So, on this one, I'm sticking to stunned killing only, sorry.

I agree that animals suffer more and that cannot be right

Just saying that religious rights are supposed to be protected and therefore not permitting a certain religious group their freedom may be considered discrimination

The only way it will work is if no religious group is permitted any concessions and everyone has to abide by the laws of the land. And whilst I am religious, I favour this approach"

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.


"I am biased as I grew up on a westcountry farm, mixed dairy and livestock.

the key problem with vegetable growing is they don't allow wildlife. rabbits, mice, rats, (and cats) were all part of my life on a livestock farm. As a teenager I visited a eereal farm in anglia, and there was nothing alive silos full of grain and no mice.... same is true for most commercial veg growers, when wildlife is in competition with humans it tends to lose

But I support the right of people to disprove of meat and dairy production. I don't like factory farming of anything, nor will I use any dairy product from goats because they kill male kids as there is no market for the meat.

the small amount of tallow in question is a a by product of an existing kill, and nothing in the scheme of things, that cow in its lifetime allowed rats mice rabbits and all the other wildlife to exist, which may be compensation to compassionate vegans. "

Sad about the goat meat. Goat is one the most commonly eaten meat's in the world, apart from the UK...

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield


"I am biased as I grew up on a westcountry farm, mixed dairy and livestock.

the key problem with vegetable growing is they don't allow wildlife. rabbits, mice, rats, (and cats) were all part of my life on a livestock farm. As a teenager I visited a eereal farm in anglia, and there was nothing alive silos full of grain and no mice.... same is true for most commercial veg growers, when wildlife is in competition with humans it tends to lose

But I support the right of people to disprove of meat and dairy production. I don't like factory farming of anything, nor will I use any dairy product from goats because they kill male kids as there is no market for the meat.

the small amount of tallow in question is a a by product of an existing kill, and nothing in the scheme of things, that cow in its lifetime allowed rats mice rabbits and all the other wildlife to exist, which may be compensation to compassionate vegans.

Sad about the goat meat. Goat is one the most commonly eaten meat's in the world, apart from the UK..."

Yes, watched that Jimmys farm thing. I'd happily eat goat, if it was well farmed.

MrB

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Meanwhile we have homeless people freezing to death on the street, pensioners freezing to death in their homes, children starving in British towns and cities and a million other things more worthy of our time.

Being vegan or a vegetablist is a choice, there's lots of people who don't have that luxury, let's worry about those rather than a few people who have a very simple alternative.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Meanwhile we have homeless people freezing to death on the street, pensioners freezing to death in their homes, children starving in British towns and cities and a million other things more worthy of our time.

Being vegan or a vegetablist is a choice, there's lots of people who don't have that luxury, let's worry about those rather than a few people who have a very simple alternative."

But yet the their are millions of animals being abuse and killed everyday of every hour with no voices locked up behind closed doors. They can't fight for themselves or speak up. So whos going to? I think I will continue being Vegan thank you very much.

Meat Is Murder

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over a year ago


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Uk law says an animal be stunned (unconscious) before it is killed. The exception is for religious grounds, so halal for muslims and kosher for jewish people. These animals are hung up and throats slit while fully concious.

I find this unacceptable. The welfare of the animal comes first for me, the rule should apply regardless.

Applying rules regardless may be regarded as blatant racism

Well, that's difficult, because people should be allowed to practice their religion freely. But what is to be done where it infringes the law or what is morally ok?

I'm not religious, but I care about animal welfare. I struggle to see how making an animal bleed to death hung upside down is religious. So, on this one, I'm sticking to stunned killing only, sorry.

I agree that animals suffer more and that cannot be right

Just saying that religious rights are supposed to be protected and therefore not permitting a certain religious group their freedom may be considered discrimination

The only way it will work is if no religious group is permitted any concessions and everyone has to abide by the laws of the land. And whilst I am religious, I favour this approach"

Or how about we don't eat dead animals corpses at all, how cool would that be?

There is no religion that states that you have to eat meat. Only that if you do it has to be prepared killed in a certain way.

Meat Is Murder

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think vegans should be among the people that respect other people's choices.

Calling someone a murderer for eating meat is not ok!

Am I allowed to call you a boring pious cunt for your choices?

Be a vegan I don't care but shut the fuck up about it and get on with your life!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Meanwhile we have homeless people freezing to death on the street, pensioners freezing to death in their homes, children starving in British towns and cities and a million other things more worthy of our time.

Being vegan or a vegetablist is a choice, there's lots of people who don't have that luxury, let's worry about those rather than a few people who have a very simple alternative.

But yet the their are millions of animals being abuse and killed everyday of every hour with no voices locked up behind closed doors. They can't fight for themselves or speak up. So whos going to? I think I will continue being Vegan thank you very much.

Meat Is Murder"

Remember, you're eating their food!

I'm happy that you're happy being a vegan, it's not my intention to try to alter your obviously strong moral convictions and I applaud you for it, I really do. I just feel there are bigger issues to tackle first before we address the bovine content of our £5 notes.

Let's face it the animal was always going to be slaughtered and this way it's by product isn't going to waste (something I hate). Changing how the notes are made will alter nothing in the grand scheme of things.

Until they're changed you can use coins or other notes.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Never thought this would create such a storm in a tea cup

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Never thought this would create such a storm in a tea cup

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Can they make the new £20's roast chicken flavour? "

it's been a long time coming but I've got to say that's the first time in ages that something on this forum has made me laugh out loud.

Hey I know it's a serious and sensitive subject and many will find that distasteful.

So I'm not belittling the debate or owt but that did tickle a funny bone! *Doffs hat*

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Never thought this would create such a storm in a tea cup "

Yeah, I bet...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

and still nobody will make a stand for the innocent plants

Foliage has feelings too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Meanwhile we have homeless people freezing to death on the street, pensioners freezing to death in their homes, children starving in British towns and cities and a million other things more worthy of our time.

Being vegan or a vegetablist is a choice, there's lots of people who don't have that luxury, let's worry about those rather than a few people who have a very simple alternative.

But yet the their are millions of animals being abuse and killed everyday of every hour with no voices locked up behind closed doors. They can't fight for themselves or speak up. So whos going to? I think I will continue being Vegan thank you very much.

Meat Is Murder

Remember, you're eating their food!

I'm happy that you're happy being a vegan, it's not my intention to try to alter your obviously strong moral convictions and I applaud you for it, I really do. I just feel there are bigger issues to tackle first before we address the bovine content of our £5 notes.

Let's face it the animal was always going to be slaughtered and this way it's by product isn't going to waste (something I hate). Changing how the notes are made will alter nothing in the grand scheme of things.

Until they're changed you can use coins or other notes."

And now their is another pointless product for the human race to consume that calls more the death of animals. We should dig up all the graves in the grave yard because all those dead bodys are going to waste lying in the grown...

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By *esiderataWoman
over a year ago

St Helier

I will buy those darned fivers off you for £3.00 - and live with it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I will buy those darned fivers off you for £3.00 - and live with it"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"and still nobody will make a stand for the innocent plants

Foliage has feelings too "

Maybe. But it don't taste as good as meat. Most of my food has a central nervous system, I thinks where the flavour comes from.

Consuming foliage has been scientifically proven to make you irritable and irrational. Please see above posts from the vegan as reference

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Meanwhile we have homeless people freezing to death on the street, pensioners freezing to death in their homes, children starving in British towns and cities and a million other things more worthy of our time.

Being vegan or a vegetablist is a choice, there's lots of people who don't have that luxury, let's worry about those rather than a few people who have a very simple alternative.

But yet the their are millions of animals being abuse and killed everyday of every hour with no voices locked up behind closed doors. They can't fight for themselves or speak up. So whos going to? I think I will continue being Vegan thank you very much.

Meat Is Murder

Remember, you're eating their food!

I'm happy that you're happy being a vegan, it's not my intention to try to alter your obviously strong moral convictions and I applaud you for it, I really do. I just feel there are bigger issues to tackle first before we address the bovine content of our £5 notes.

Let's face it the animal was always going to be slaughtered and this way it's by product isn't going to waste (something I hate). Changing how the notes are made will alter nothing in the grand scheme of things.

Until they're changed you can use coins or other notes.

And now their is another pointless product for the human race to consume that calls more the death of animals. We should dig up all the graves in the grave yard because all those dead bodys are going to waste lying in the grown..."

Just a thought. Being a bisexual vegan... do you swallow cum?

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over a year ago

Also that vegan diet creates a lot of methane. Terrible for the environment

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By *nterracial2Couple
over a year ago

Ribble Valley

I'm happy for people to post their unwanted fivers to me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Meanwhile we have homeless people freezing to death on the street, pensioners freezing to death in their homes, children starving in British towns and cities and a million other things more worthy of our time.

Being vegan or a vegetablist is a choice, there's lots of people who don't have that luxury, let's worry about those rather than a few people who have a very simple alternative.

But yet the their are millions of animals being abuse and killed everyday of every hour with no voices locked up behind closed doors. They can't fight for themselves or speak up. So whos going to? I think I will continue being Vegan thank you very much.

Meat Is Murder

Remember, you're eating their food!

I'm happy that you're happy being a vegan, it's not my intention to try to alter your obviously strong moral convictions and I applaud you for it, I really do. I just feel there are bigger issues to tackle first before we address the bovine content of our £5 notes.

Let's face it the animal was always going to be slaughtered and this way it's by product isn't going to waste (something I hate). Changing how the notes are made will alter nothing in the grand scheme of things.

Until they're changed you can use coins or other notes.

And now their is another pointless product for the human race to consume that calls more the death of animals. We should dig up all the graves in the grave yard because all those dead bodys are going to waste lying in the grown..."

Any point you were trying to make is moot because you're being ridiculous. I'll add that the likelihood of any extra animals being slaughtered just for a few fivers is highly unlikely. I read somewhere that the amount of tallow used in the entire number of skydivers equates to just one bull. Hardly worth spitting your weatgrass out over really.

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over a year ago


"Also that vegan diet creates a lot of methane. Terrible for the environment "

It also makes vegans weak and miserable....

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over a year ago

Storm in a £4.99 tea cup

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By *essThePirateWoman
over a year ago

Bristol

I am looking forward to supporting the drug dealers campaign in their refusal to accept these notes

And cleaners, builders, babysitters...etc

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley


"

Uk law says an animal be stunned (unconscious) before it is killed. The exception is for religious grounds, so halal for muslims and kosher for jewish people. These animals are hung up and throats slit while fully concious.

I find this unacceptable. The welfare of the animal comes first for me, the rule should apply regardless.

Applying rules regardless may be regarded as blatant racism

Well, that's difficult, because people should be allowed to practice their religion freely. But what is to be done where it infringes the law or what is morally ok?

I'm not religious, but I care about animal welfare. I struggle to see how making an animal bleed to death hung upside down is religious. So, on this one, I'm sticking to stunned killing only, sorry.

I agree that animals suffer more and that cannot be right

Just saying that religious rights are supposed to be protected and therefore not permitting a certain religious group their freedom may be considered discrimination

The only way it will work is if no religious group is permitted any concessions and everyone has to abide by the laws of the land. And whilst I am religious, I favour this approach

Or how about we don't eat dead animals corpses at all, how cool would that be?

There is no religion that states that you have to eat meat. Only that if you do it has to be prepared killed in a certain way.

Meat Is Murder"

If you say so

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By *onny MCMan
over a year ago

Crawley


"Imagine how much meat will be in a tenner "

Same amount as in some cheap pies.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Uk law says an animal be stunned (unconscious) before it is killed. The exception is for religious grounds, so halal for muslims and kosher for jewish people. These animals are hung up and throats slit while fully concious.

I find this unacceptable. The welfare of the animal comes first for me, the rule should apply regardless.

Applying rules regardless may be regarded as blatant racism

Well, that's difficult, because people should be allowed to practice their religion freely. But what is to be done where it infringes the law or what is morally ok?

I'm not religious, but I care about animal welfare. I struggle to see how making an animal bleed to death hung upside down is religious. So, on this one, I'm sticking to stunned killing only, sorry.

I agree that animals suffer more and that cannot be right

Just saying that religious rights are supposed to be protected and therefore not permitting a certain religious group their freedom may be considered discrimination

The only way it will work is if no religious group is permitted any concessions and everyone has to abide by the laws of the land. And whilst I am religious, I favour this approach

Or how about we don't eat dead animals corpses at all, how cool would that be?

There is no religion that states that you have to eat meat. Only that if you do it has to be prepared killed in a certain way.

Meat Is Murder

If you say so"

Mmmmmm. Meat.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Meanwhile we have homeless people freezing to death on the street, pensioners freezing to death in their homes, children starving in British towns and cities and a million other things more worthy of our time.

Being vegan or a vegetablist is a choice, there's lots of people who don't have that luxury, let's worry about those rather than a few people who have a very simple alternative.

But yet the their are millions of animals being abuse and killed everyday of every hour with no voices locked up behind closed doors. They can't fight for themselves or speak up. So whos going to? I think I will continue being Vegan thank you very much.

Meat Is Murder

Remember, you're eating their food!

I'm happy that you're happy being a vegan, it's not my intention to try to alter your obviously strong moral convictions and I applaud you for it, I really do. I just feel there are bigger issues to tackle first before we address the bovine content of our £5 notes.

Let's face it the animal was always going to be slaughtered and this way it's by product isn't going to waste (something I hate). Changing how the notes are made will alter nothing in the grand scheme of things.

Until they're changed you can use coins or other notes.

And now their is another pointless product for the human race to consume that calls more the death of animals. We should dig up all the graves in the grave yard because all those dead bodys are going to waste lying in the grown...

Just a thought. Being a bisexual vegan... do you swallow cum?"

No i dont, but i didnt before i was Vegan

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Also that vegan diet creates a lot of methane. Terrible for the environment

It also makes vegans weak and miserable...."

I attend a gym 3 days a week and Im currently the strongest I have ever been

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Meanwhile we have homeless people freezing to death on the street, pensioners freezing to death in their homes, children starving in British towns and cities and a million other things more worthy of our time.

Being vegan or a vegetablist is a choice, there's lots of people who don't have that luxury, let's worry about those rather than a few people who have a very simple alternative.

But yet the their are millions of animals being abuse and killed everyday of every hour with no voices locked up behind closed doors. They can't fight for themselves or speak up. So whos going to? I think I will continue being Vegan thank you very much.

Meat Is Murder

Remember, you're eating their food!

I'm happy that you're happy being a vegan, it's not my intention to try to alter your obviously strong moral convictions and I applaud you for it, I really do. I just feel there are bigger issues to tackle first before we address the bovine content of our £5 notes.

Let's face it the animal was always going to be slaughtered and this way it's by product isn't going to waste (something I hate). Changing how the notes are made will alter nothing in the grand scheme of things.

Until they're changed you can use coins or other notes.

And now their is another pointless product for the human race to consume that calls more the death of animals. We should dig up all the graves in the grave yard because all those dead bodys are going to waste lying in the grown...

Any point you were trying to make is moot because you're being ridiculous. I'll add that the likelihood of any extra animals being slaughtered just for a few fivers is highly unlikely. I read somewhere that the amount of tallow used in the entire number of skydivers equates to just one bull. Hardly worth spitting your weatgrass out over really."

If another animal is harmed or killed because of the increasing demand the human race demands, then yes it is a issue that upsets me

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By *ildt123Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield


"

Uk law says an animal be stunned (unconscious) before it is killed. The exception is for religious grounds, so halal for muslims and kosher for jewish people. These animals are hung up and throats slit while fully concious.

I find this unacceptable. The welfare of the animal comes first for me, the rule should apply regardless.

Applying rules regardless may be regarded as blatant racism"

By that standard forbidding the stoning to death of adulterers is a racist act? Most religions suggest people in country's that are not of their religion abide by the law of the land, our law insists on stunning that should apply to all not exempt any religion.

Vegetarian/vegan Is becoming a religion why do so many feel the need to aggressively ram it down the throat of the rest of us? Fair play to you I applaud your stance but please stop it with the preachy shite

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes "preachy shite" is boring!

Regardless of what it's about!

Why is it that Vegans and God Botherers feel the need to ram their cause down your throat!?

SHUT UP

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield


"What else are they going to find meat products in?

What do you mean find meat products in? The components have to be released when something new come out.

Its only beacuse its new that people hadnt had the time to research what it was made of."

The components don't have to be released when a new product comes out. Food has to show ingredients. The note isn't food. It's main materials have to be known, for recycling and health and safety. Trace amounts of a non-dangerous substance doesn't need to be published. It's impossible.

Also, Tallow isn't actually part of the fiver.

It is used as a lubricant to allow the note to be ejected from the manufacturing machine, so there is a minuscule trace on the surface.

If you are going to take issue with the fiver then avoid this stuff too:

.

Carrier bags contain animal fat to stop the plastic sticking during manufacture, which is the same reason as the new £5 note.

.

Rubber in many bike tyres also contains stearic acid derived from animal fat.

.

Many latex products - including some condoms - contain glycerin, another substance derived from animal fat.

.

Glycerin is also a common ingredient in many toothpastes and, though it can be made from plants it is cheaper to derive from animals, so if you don’t like using bone marrow to clean your teeth.

.

I respect your right to be a vegan. But it is very, very hard to take it to the ultimate limit. Expecting the whole of society to adjust to these ultra-stringent requirements is too much, in my opinion.

MrB

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By *100Man
over a year ago

Essex

If anyone has a problem with the new five pound notes please toward them to me and I will dispose of them accordingly.

And for the rest of you grow up and will see you all down the Nags Head drinks are on me xxx

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich


"They say that they don't have a choice as it's money, yet it's like everything else in their life it's about compromise, they can use cards and contactless payments or ask for coins in their change. The thing that gets me about this is there is a lot worse things going on to animals, such as brutal halal slaughtering but there's no protests outside mosques because this just isn't politically correctin lefty world

From new fivers storm in a teacup to some nice causal racism in 10 posts...

Excuse me, why is this racism

I said it was casual racism. A subtle difference.

It;s defined as: Casual racism is one form of racism. It refers to conduct involving negative stereotypes or prejudices about people on the basis of race, colour or ethnicity. Examples include jokes, off-handed comments, and exclusion of people from social situations on the basis of race.

Are you sayong your comment doesn;t fit that criteria?"

I'd say it didn't, it was about religion not "race, colour or ethnicity"

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley


"What else are they going to find meat products in?

What do you mean find meat products in? The components have to be released when something new come out.

Its only beacuse its new that people hadnt had the time to research what it was made of.

The components don't have to be released when a new product comes out. Food has to show ingredients. The note isn't food. It's main materials have to be known, for recycling and health and safety. Trace amounts of a non-dangerous substance doesn't need to be published. It's impossible.

Also, Tallow isn't actually part of the fiver.

It is used as a lubricant to allow the note to be ejected from the manufacturing machine, so there is a minuscule trace on the surface.

If you are going to take issue with the fiver then avoid this stuff too:

.

Carrier bags contain animal fat to stop the plastic sticking during manufacture, which is the same reason as the new £5 note.

.

Rubber in many bike tyres also contains stearic acid derived from animal fat.

.

Many latex products - including some condoms - contain glycerin, another substance derived from animal fat.

.

Glycerin is also a common ingredient in many toothpastes and, though it can be made from plants it is cheaper to derive from animals, so if you don’t like using bone marrow to clean your teeth.

.

I respect your right to be a vegan. But it is very, very hard to take it to the ultimate limit. Expecting the whole of society to adjust to these ultra-stringent requirements is too much, in my opinion.

MrB

"

And vegans could return the favour by respecting others. Less stressful world then all around

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm vegan, and I avoid ALL animal products as much as possible - it's not about food, it's about ethics.

The way we live at the moment, some animal products cannot be avoided - we'll all need healthcare at some point, and at the moment all medication is tested on animals by law whether we like it or not. Hardly any money is spent exploring alternatives.

We also need homes, food and transport, and as such we do indirect harm just by living on this planet. Avoidable harm is different and therefore this is symbolic of how little we've achieved, that people still have the same throwaway attitude towards animals as they always did. It's not just about cruelty, it's about commodification.

So really the new five pound note isn't a big deal compared with some issues, but we don't get to pick what currency we use in day to day life.

There are a lot bigger issues, but this is still significant.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Also that vegan diet creates a lot of methane. Terrible for the environment

It also makes vegans weak and miserable....

I attend a gym 3 days a week and Im currently the strongest I have ever been"

Congratulations, soon you'll be strong enough to lift five £1 coins and stop moaning over a little tallow in a fiver!

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By *aren1956TV/TS
over a year ago

Fakenham


"The interview on R4 last night was priceless. Eddie Mair asks if the woman who is objecting to this has used a new fiver and she says no as she uses contactless payment for small things. He asks about wearing leather and she says that's OK as it's a by-product of the animal after death.

"

The usual PC sanctimonious rubbish peddled by a very small minority. Sad lentil munching lefty no doubt.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Also that vegan diet creates a lot of methane. Terrible for the environment "
I'm not sure where you get that idea from - the greenhouse gases from Livestock production count for more pollution than all of industry and transport put together.

Cows have to eat something, and they also have to shit.

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By *ezjez369Man
over a year ago

london

How much animal product is used in producing one credit/debit card I wonder?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"How much animal product is used in producing one credit/debit card I wonder?"

Loads....

I hope!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Also that vegan diet creates a lot of methane. Terrible for the environment I'm not sure where you get that idea from - the greenhouse gases from Livestock production count for more pollution than all of industry and transport put together.

Cows have to eat something, and they also have to shit."

That awkward moment when somebody begins a serious argument against an obvious joke

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"How much animal product is used in producing one credit/debit card I wonder?"

Some of those cards a total bollox... not sure if they are cows or pigs bollox though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What else are they going to find meat products in?"

Cows? \__/

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is it more ethical to eat a carnivore or a herbivore?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I thought vegetarians didn't eat meat.

I didn't know they did eat fivers.

Who'd have guessed eh? "

No wonder they were always short of the old ones. Now we know

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Also that vegan diet creates a lot of methane. Terrible for the environment

It also makes vegans weak and miserable....

I attend a gym 3 days a week and Im currently the strongest I have ever been

Congratulations, soon you'll be strong enough to lift five £1 coins and stop moaning over a little tallow in a fiver!"

You have just won a share of. the Internet.

Mind you, there's been quite a few contenders here.....

Stiff competition.

Pious cunt poster gets the other half.

That's £2.50 and a bacon sandwich each.

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By *illyjohnyCouple
over a year ago

brighton

Isn't the cow shit that is spread all over the fields to fertilise the ground that veg and wheat grow in a bye product from cows which in turn if people didn't eat cows there would be no shit to spread .

I know not all fertilisers are made include cow shit but how can you be sure what your carrots grew in ?

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan
over a year ago

Kent


"Isn't the cow shit that is spread all over the fields"

It ain't cow shit it's waste from the sewage plant, though the farmer calls it 'biomass'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I respect your right to be a vegan. But it is very, very hard to take it to the ultimate limit. "

The Vegan Society, who invented the word "vegan" in the 1940s define the word as thus:

"Veganism is a way of living which seeks to exclude, as far as is possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose."

"Possible and practicable" (not practical) means doable - and because we don't live in a vegan world we have to decide individually where we have to stop.

I'm pretty strict; I use vegan toothpastes, vegan condoms and try to find vegan tyres as much as I can -- but we can get bogged down by the small stuff.

The majority of animal abuse on this planet happens in the food industry, then in the clothing industry - even animal experiments, as vile as they are, don't compare to these.

We live in a non-vegan world where most people don't care about animals; fighting every small issue will drive us all crazy and take away our focus from the bigger ones.

Ultimately however, any attempt to against veganism is an argument in favour of animal exploitation - and why people would want to do that is beyond me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I care about animals. I like to eat some of them too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have a huge interest in animal welfare. I'd like to think the meat I put on the table is ethically farmed and slaughtered and in an ideal world I would hunt all my own.

My comments on this thread have been mainly to wind up the pompous buggers who love forcing their lifestyle choice down everyone else's throat. It's fun because not one of them has a sense of humour and think that using sexism, racism and false accusations of murder is a reasonable way of justifying their views.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you're that bothered, change it for coins.

Every time someone's says "tallow" I just think of Fight Club.

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley


"I have a huge interest in animal welfare. I'd like to think the meat I put on the table is ethically farmed and slaughtered and in an ideal world I would hunt all my own.

My comments on this thread have been mainly to wind up the pompous buggers who love forcing their lifestyle choice down everyone else's throat. It's fun because not one of them has a sense of humour and think that using sexism, racism and false accusations of murder is a reasonable way of justifying their views."

I exchanged my fiver for a lovely steak

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over a year ago


"I have a huge interest in animal welfare. I'd like to think the meat I put on the table is ethically farmed and slaughtered and in an ideal world I would hunt all my own.

My comments on this thread have been mainly to wind up the pompous buggers who love forcing their lifestyle choice down everyone else's throat. It's fun because not one of them has a sense of humour and think that using sexism, racism and false accusations of murder is a reasonable way of justifying their views.

I exchanged my fiver for a lovely steak "

*titters....

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol


"It's sad to see some swingers - themselves members of a fringe community whose progressive philosophy and practices are often the target of poorly-considered mockery by mainstream society - so quick to subject the beliefs of vegetarians, vegans, Hindus, etc. to the same kind of belittlement.

That the online petition has garnered over 100,000 signatures in less than 48 hours and attracted national media attention should tell you that the issue [thankfully] isn't a minority concern. "

There are sixty million people in the Uk. 100000 is a tiny tiny minority.

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over a year ago


"Also that vegan diet creates a lot of methane. Terrible for the environment

It also makes vegans weak and miserable....

I attend a gym 3 days a week and Im currently the strongest I have ever been

Congratulations, soon you'll be strong enough to lift five £1 coins and stop moaning over a little tallow in a fiver!"

I would tell you to kiss my ass, but I'm scared you would take a bite out of it you carnivorous fuck...

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By *nequeenslutWoman
over a year ago

rugeley


"general thoughts on this are Meh... so far the calculations are in and less than 1 cow was harmed in the making of all those fivers.. they also don't seem to understand it is used in so many other things than fivers..

there are even animal derivatives in a lot of condoms... in the form of glycerin

*cue the vegetarians swearing off sex*"

pork fat

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over a year ago


"Also that vegan diet creates a lot of methane. Terrible for the environment

It also makes vegans weak and miserable....

I attend a gym 3 days a week and Im currently the strongest I have ever been

Congratulations, soon you'll be strong enough to lift five £1 coins and stop moaning over a little tallow in a fiver!

I would tell you to kiss my ass, but I'm scared you would take a bite out of it you carnivorous fuck..."

There's a difference between a carnivore and a cannibal. I'm guessing being weak and malnourished has made it hard for you to lift a book to enable yourself to learn the difference.

Maybe once you've mastered five £1 coins you can work up to a dictionary or thesaurus or just invest in a sense of humour.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"Are these the ones who dont wear leather ?

So how do they get on with leather seats,or at least leather steering wheel im car

Oh sorry guess they ride old style push iron bikes...ones with saddles with springs under them...also made of leather

More ridiculous ignorant statements.

Vegans TRY as best they can to avoid using animal products themselves. And CHOOSE the least offensive choice when that's not possible.

Instead of mocking them, why not give their life choices - based on attempting to live without causing other creatures harm - some respect. Exactly the same as I'm sure you'd want someone who doesn't understand YOUR life choices and lifestyle some respect. "

Yep they have choices. So when they give someone a tenner for something that costs a fiver they can choose to say "keep the change"

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley


"Are these the ones who dont wear leather ?

So how do they get on with leather seats,or at least leather steering wheel im car

Oh sorry guess they ride old style push iron bikes...ones with saddles with springs under them...also made of leather

More ridiculous ignorant statements.

Vegans TRY as best they can to avoid using animal products themselves. And CHOOSE the least offensive choice when that's not possible.

Instead of mocking them, why not give their life choices - based on attempting to live without causing other creatures harm - some respect. Exactly the same as I'm sure you'd want someone who doesn't understand YOUR life choices and lifestyle some respect.

Yep they have choices. So when they give someone a tenner for something that costs a fiver they can choose to say "keep the change" "

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By *onytbone74Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford Essex

If veggies and vegans (in fact if anyone doesn't want them??) I'm happy to take them off their hands

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.

Vegans just remember,

my food shit's on your food...

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By *ockerMrBloggs6969Man
over a year ago

nr you but not too near

Send all yr fivers to me!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Reported on Ceefax this morning a veggie cafe (who not animal rights vegans,they just dont eat meat) are REFUSING to take payment with these type of notes...its ILLEGAL to refuse to take payment of any money in this country with £ sterling on it.

Hope the cafe owner looses even more trade now,after all whats in a 'full english vegitarian breakfast'...branflakes ?

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By *ongtalljonMan
over a year ago

North Wales

Well, the problem with the new fivers is that they contain traces of tallow which is similar to lard and is an animal fat.

Fivers aren't the only place we find traces of tallow either. Apart from the obvious ones such as candles and soap, tallow is used as a lubricant for rolling sheet steel.

So I do hope that the winging vegans will also be refusing to buy cars, desktop computers, laptops and anything else that can be made from sheet steel. Oh, that also rules them out of buying vegan food from the supermarket if the supermarket shelves are made of sheet steel.

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

I'm a meat eater and think this fiver thing is a storm in a teacup.

But, just because some vegans have complained about this, doesn't mean we have to attack all veggies and vegans.

We can't complain about keeping things in proportion then go off on one attacking everybody!

Have fun xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Reported on Ceefax this morning a veggie cafe (who not animal rights vegans,they just dont eat meat) are REFUSING to take payment with these type of notes...its ILLEGAL to refuse to take payment of any money in this country with £ sterling on it.

Hope the cafe owner looses even more trade now,after all whats in a 'full english vegitarian breakfast'...branflakes ?"

A little bit like the cakeshop not wanting to decrate a cake because of the LBGT theme though and look which way that went.

I'm sure someone will bring a case to court about it the world has gone mad

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm a meat eater and think this fiver thing is a storm in a teacup.

But, just because some vegans have complained about this, doesn't mean we have to attack all veggies and vegans.

We can't complain about keeping things in proportion then go off on one attacking everybody!

Have fun xx

"

This is true and people should live and let live, but on the whole it always seems to be the vegans having a go at meat eaters then the other way around

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