FabSwingers.com forum: Show your passport to use nhs.

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I have just heard about it on the news now, that they might introduce it, so you have to show your passport to use nhs, is this another way of controlling of who will get treatment/help, what is your view?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are a lot of "health tourists" so if it stops that from happening I'm all for it. We are lucky to have the NHS in this country and its been abused for too many years.

Mrs X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Rightly so.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Best I get mine renewed and up to date if they do

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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay

It's the job of the NHS to chase up reimbursements from other EU countries for treatment, according to reports they only get in around 12%.......whereas the Spanish managed in 2015 to retrieve in excess of 80% from the NHS for treatment to Brits who live in or visit Spain....

That's the fault of the NHS....

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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay

Smoke and mirrors.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's the job of the NHS to chase up reimbursements from other EU countries for treatment, according to reports they only get in around 12%.......whereas the Spanish managed in 2015 to retrieve in excess of 80% from the NHS for treatment to Brits who live in or visit Spain....

That's the fault of the NHS...."

This is what I was thinking...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There are a lot of "health tourists" so if it stops that from happening I'm all for it. We are lucky to have the NHS in this country and its been abused for too many years.

Mrs X "

I'm completely fine with health tourism, so long as said people show their I.D and our NHS/government services use that to charge the treatment fee to their private insurance or to their equivalent of the NHS.

The French, Dutch, Danes and Spanish do it, so should we.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So if you are a low income family, don't have a passport and get ill you have to find £85 and wait 2 weeks (if you are lucky) to receive your passport before yiu can use the nhs?

Lets hope no one in that situation suffers a burst appendix, broken bone, laceration, heart attack, stroke....to mention a few

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

That's the fault of the NHS...."

Or possibly the UK are better at paying due invoices than other countries.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have just heard about it on the news now, that they might introduce it, so you have to show your passport to use nhs, is this another way of controlling of who will get treatment/help, what is your view?

I hope so.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

Well in theory yes, however, i dont want people to be dying or left seriously ill because they dont hold a uk passport, i hope it hasnt quite come to that yet

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By *tarbeckCouple
over a year ago

york

We had a consultant at our hospital who lived over the road they came from saudie , he admitted that she came over here to have her children because they didn't have to pay

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"So if you are a low income family, don't have a passport and get ill you have to find £85 and wait 2 weeks (if you are lucky) to receive your passport before yiu can use the nhs?

Lets hope no one in that situation suffers a burst appendix, broken bone, laceration, heart attack, stroke....to mention a few"

Emergency treatment will still be given.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So if you are a low income family, don't have a passport and get ill you have to find £85 and wait 2 weeks (if you are lucky) to receive your passport before yiu can use the nhs?

Lets hope no one in that situation suffers a burst appendix, broken bone, laceration, heart attack, stroke....to mention a few"

You just need proof of residency. And it's not for emergencies. I'll help you down off your high horse if you like...... come on

... easy does it..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If they're going to require a passport to access a service that we pay for, then the passport needs to be free and the application process needs to be improved.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We had a consultant at our hospital who lived over the road they came from saudie , he admitted that she came over here to have her children because they didn't have to pay "

When I worked in oil and gas someone told me similar. Americans would sometimes bring their wives over to have children as it was free here. These people were usually in very well paid jobs.

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By *tarbeckCouple
over a year ago

york

whe ever we have been to corfu even with insurance and the eone eleven our what ever you call it we have had to pay upfront x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If they're going to require a passport to access a service that we pay for, then the passport needs to be free and the application process needs to be improved."

They're not. Just proof that you live here. House hold bills etc. Easy.... mind the stirrup...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So if you are a low income family, don't have a passport and get ill you have to find £85 and wait 2 weeks (if you are lucky) to receive your passport before yiu can use the nhs?

Lets hope no one in that situation suffers a burst appendix, broken bone, laceration, heart attack, stroke....to mention a few

You just need proof of residency. And it's not for emergencies. I'll help you down off your high horse if you like...... come on

... easy does it.."

More a knackered old donkey than high horse....but thanks for helping the dismount, I've been stuck on it for ages

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

Well if the NHS had a proper system ; this would not be necessary.

Here, I have a Health card; it has my photo and my Social Security number on it;

It also has a VIP and pin; so my entitlement can be checked by simply putting it in a reader ( which are in every doctors, hospital, dentist, health centre or provider, and pharmacy.)

It also accesses my health records, so wherever I go, the doctor/ hospital can check my prescriptions, health history etc ( and next of kin)

But UK couldn't possibly make such a simple system work.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Before it could be implemented everyone would be required to have some type of officially recognised photo ID and that would involve making sure every person in the country was given a provision to such a service,,,,

That aint gonna happen...

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

VIP! = autocarrot strikes... Chip and PIN

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If they're going to require a passport to access a service that we pay for, then the passport needs to be free and the application process needs to be improved.

They're not. Just proof that you live here. House hold bills etc. Easy.... mind the stirrup..."

Oh. All those household bills that aren't in lots of peoples names? Where digital copies will almost certainly not be accepted?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it's a good idea provided that it doesn't affect on going illnesses that are all ready diagnosed and being treated. Have to say the Welsh government are fantastic. There's no way i could afford all the meds I need if I still lived in England. Xxx

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

It will be any legally accepted original paper form of residency and identity.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Well if the NHS had a proper system ; this would not be necessary.

Here, I have a Health card; it has my photo and my Social Security number on it;

It also has a VIP and pin; so my entitlement can be checked by simply putting it in a reader ( which are in every doctors, hospital, dentist, health centre or provider, and pharmacy.)

It also accesses my health records, so wherever I go, the doctor/ hospital can check my prescriptions, health history etc ( and next of kin)

But UK couldn't possibly make such a simple system work."

They should get Google to manage it. They know every damned thing about every person on the planet.

The NHS probably sell them our medical data too.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"It will be any legally accepted original paper form of residency and identity. "
or plastic driving licence, maybe.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's the fault of the NHS....

Or possibly the UK are better at paying due invoices than other countries."
sadly not the reason.

Other countries have entire departments whose sole job is for insurance cover. The NHS doesn't have this. The claims seem to float around with no one taking responsibility or without knowledge or understanding in how to claim effectively.

I worked abroad and every year the local hospitals would wine and dine us in order to get the "business". As sad as that sounds, it ultimately resulted in excellent care for the patients and an extremely wealthy health system.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It will be any legally accepted original paper form of residency and identity. "

There will be a fair amount of British residents who wouldn't then be able to access the national health service - which was specifically put in place to help people like them.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

"If they're going to require a passport to access a service that we pay for, then the passport needs to be free and the application process needs to be improved.

They're not. Just proof that you live here. House hold bills etc. Easy.... mind the stirrup...

Oh. All those household bills that aren't in lots of peoples names? Where digital copies will almost certainly not be accepted?"
or people could be given some universal id at 18

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"If they're going to require a passport to access a service that we pay for, then the passport needs to be free and the application process needs to be improved.

They're not. Just proof that you live here. House hold bills etc. Easy.... mind the stirrup...

Oh. All those household bills that aren't in lots of peoples names? Where digital copies will almost certainly not be accepted?or people could be given some universal id at 18"

Like a National Insurance card?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If they're going to require a passport to access a service that we pay for, then the passport needs to be free and the application process needs to be improved.

They're not. Just proof that you live here. House hold bills etc. Easy.... mind the stirrup...

Oh. All those household bills that aren't in lots of peoples names? Where digital copies will almost certainly not be accepted?"

Etc. is an abbreviation for et cetera and is defined as meaning and so forth. An example of the usage of etc. is in the sentence, "Please purchase some fruit such as apples, oranges, etc.," which means "Please purchase some fruit such as apples, oranges and more."

Happy to help

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If they're going to require a passport to access a service that we pay for, then the passport needs to be free and the application process needs to be improved.

They're not. Just proof that you live here. House hold bills etc. Easy.... mind the stirrup...

Oh. All those household bills that aren't in lots of peoples names? Where digital copies will almost certainly not be accepted?

Happy to help

I understand the meaning of 'etc'. Proof of residency is basically household bills, driving license, or passport. Many, many people don't have those things.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"It will be any legally accepted original paper form of residency and identity.

There will be a fair amount of British residents who wouldn't then be able to access the national health service - which was specifically put in place to help people like them."

Tough Titty

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

"If they're going to require a passport to access a service that we pay for, then the passport needs to be free and the application process needs to be improved.

They're not. Just proof that you live here. House hold bills etc. Easy.... mind the stirrup...

Oh. All those household bills that aren't in lots of peoples names? Where digital copies will almost certainly not be accepted?or people could be given some universal id at 18

Like a National Insurance card?"
see how easy it was

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So if you are a low income family, don't have a passport and get ill you have to find £85 and wait 2 weeks (if you are lucky) to receive your passport before yiu can use the nhs?

Lets hope no one in that situation suffers a burst appendix, broken bone, laceration, heart attack, stroke....to mention a few

You just need proof of residency. And it's not for emergencies. I'll help you down off your high horse if you like...... come on

... easy does it..

More a knackered old donkey than high horse....but thanks for helping the dismount, I've been stuck on it for ages"

I hope it's a strong donkey, it'll be getting no rest on here...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If they're going to require a passport to access a service that we pay for, then the passport needs to be free and the application process needs to be improved.

They're not. Just proof that you live here. House hold bills etc. Easy.... mind the stirrup...

Oh. All those household bills that aren't in lots of peoples names? Where digital copies will almost certainly not be accepted?or people could be given some universal id at 18

Like a National Insurance card?"

Do people actually manage to hold onto those? Mine was stolen years and years ago.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If they're going to require a passport to access a service that we pay for, then the passport needs to be free and the application process needs to be improved.

They're not. Just proof that you live here. House hold bills etc. Easy.... mind the stirrup...

Oh. All those household bills that aren't in lots of peoples names? Where digital copies will almost certainly not be accepted?

Happy to help

I understand the meaning of 'etc'. "

*applauds generously.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If they're going to require a passport to access a service that we pay for, then the passport needs to be free and the application process needs to be improved.

They're not. Just proof that you live here. House hold bills etc. Easy.... mind the stirrup...

Oh. All those household bills that aren't in lots of peoples names? Where digital copies will almost certainly not be accepted?or people could be given some universal id at 18

Like a National Insurance card?

Do people actually manage to hold onto those? Mine was stolen years and years ago."

Also - National Insurance cards are no longer issued to people automatically. (At all?)

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"If they're going to require a passport to access a service that we pay for, then the passport needs to be free and the application process needs to be improved.

They're not. Just proof that you live here. House hold bills etc. Easy.... mind the stirrup...

Oh. All those household bills that aren't in lots of peoples names? Where digital copies will almost certainly not be accepted?or people could be given some universal id at 18

Like a National Insurance card?

Do people actually manage to hold onto those? Mine was stolen years and years ago."

Mine's in my card wallet with my other cards.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If they're going to require a passport to access a service that we pay for, then the passport needs to be free and the application process needs to be improved.

They're not. Just proof that you live here. House hold bills etc. Easy.... mind the stirrup...

Oh. All those household bills that aren't in lots of peoples names? Where digital copies will almost certainly not be accepted?or people could be given some universal id at 18

Like a National Insurance card?

Do people actually manage to hold onto those? Mine was stolen years and years ago.

Mine's in my card wallet with my other cards."

They're essentially a worthless and pointless item. They don't give you any information other than your NI number, and they don't prove that you are who you say you are. They certainly don't prove you're resident in the UK at the moment.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If they're going to require a passport to access a service that we pay for, then the passport needs to be free and the application process needs to be improved.

They're not. Just proof that you live here. House hold bills etc. Easy.... mind the stirrup...

Oh. All those household bills that aren't in lots of peoples names? Where digital copies will almost certainly not be accepted?or people could be given some universal id at 18

Like a National Insurance card?

Do people actually manage to hold onto those? Mine was stolen years and years ago.

Also - National Insurance cards are no longer issued to people automatically. (At all?)"

Do they have your photo on them now days?

Mine certainly hasn't

Perhaps i can borrow someones so i can see the doc?

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

"Before it could be implemented everyone would be required to have some type of officially recognised photo ID and that would involve making sure every person in the country was given a provision to such a service,,,,

That aint gonna happen...

It's simple to do; ( but not for the chaotic UK).

Everyone who drives has a photo card; everyone who has a bank has a chip and pin card.

The UK used to issue a " national health card" ( plastic credit card size) with your National Health number on it ( I still have mine somewhere) but I think they gave up on that.

Other advantage here is that every medicine and every treatment is costed; so it's incredibly easy for me to see exactly how much has been spent on me; and the government can check the nations health costs, exactly, to the penny ( well to the €)

The UK hasn't got a fucking clue how much anything costs. Or how much has been spent.

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By *tarbeckCouple
over a year ago

york

"I think it's a good idea provided that it doesn't affect on going illnesses that are all ready diagnosed and being treated. Have to say the Welsh government are fantastic. There's no way i could afford all the meds I need if I still lived in England. Xxx"
I'm lucky because of my condition I don't pay for mine , if I did I would be costing me about seventy pounds a month , I paid for them for four years until they added a new med and I told my doc I couldn't afford it , then they told me I was exempt

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

We could all just be chipped at birth. Little chip under the skin and your sorted

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If they're going to require a passport to access a service that we pay for, then the passport needs to be free and the application process needs to be improved.

They're not. Just proof that you live here. House hold bills etc. Easy.... mind the stirrup...

Oh. All those household bills that aren't in lots of peoples names? Where digital copies will almost certainly not be accepted?or people could be given some universal id at 18

Like a National Insurance card?

Do people actually manage to hold onto those? Mine was stolen years and years ago."

How do people "sign on" these days? Surely there's a residency check there? Or are we giving that away to?

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"We could all just be chipped at birth. Little chip under the skin and your sorted"

Some people have a chip on their shoulder.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If they're going to require a passport to access a service that we pay for, then the passport needs to be free and the application process needs to be improved.

They're not. Just proof that you live here. House hold bills etc. Easy.... mind the stirrup...

Oh. All those household bills that aren't in lots of peoples names? Where digital copies will almost certainly not be accepted?or people could be given some universal id at 18

Like a National Insurance card?

Do people actually manage to hold onto those? Mine was stolen years and years ago.

How do people "sign on" these days? Surely there's a residency check there? Or are we giving that away to?"

I had big problems providing relevant documentation last time I tried to sign on. I was homeless and couldn't satisfy all the demands.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"I think it's a good idea provided that it doesn't affect on going illnesses that are all ready diagnosed and being treated. Have to say the Welsh government are fantastic. There's no way i could afford all the meds I need if I still lived in England. Xxx I'm lucky because of my condition I don't pay for mine , if I did I would be costing me about seventy pounds a month , I paid for them for four years until they added a new med and I told my doc I couldn't afford it , then they told me I was exempt "

No it wouldn't.

A 3 month prescription prepayment card costs £29.10 and a 12 month one is £104.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

"We could all just be chipped at birth. Little chip under the skin and your sorted

Some people have a chip on their shoulder. "
i wouldnt want to be carrying something that heavy around with me

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"If they're going to require a passport to access a service that we pay for, then the passport needs to be free and the application process needs to be improved.

They're not. Just proof that you live here. House hold bills etc. Easy.... mind the stirrup...

Oh. All those household bills that aren't in lots of peoples names? Where digital copies will almost certainly not be accepted?or people could be given some universal id at 18

Like a National Insurance card?

Do people actually manage to hold onto those? Mine was stolen years and years ago.

How do people "sign on" these days? Surely there's a residency check there? Or are we giving that away to?"

Yes, there is a residency check. The quantity of documents they demand when you apply for any benefit is eye-watering.

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By *tarbeckCouple
over a year ago

york

"I think it's a good idea provided that it doesn't affect on going illnesses that are all ready diagnosed and being treated. Have to say the Welsh government are fantastic. There's no way i could afford all the meds I need if I still lived in England. Xxx I'm lucky because of my condition I don't pay for mine , if I did I would be costing me about seventy pounds a month , I paid for them for four years until they added a new med and I told my doc I couldn't afford it , then they told me I was exempt

No it wouldn't.

A 3 month prescription prepayment card costs £29.10 and a 12 month one is £104."
Well I wish you had told me that before , or my doc had x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If they're going to require a passport to access a service that we pay for, then the passport needs to be free and the application process needs to be improved.

They're not. Just proof that you live here. House hold bills etc. Easy.... mind the stirrup...

Oh. All those household bills that aren't in lots of peoples names? Where digital copies will almost certainly not be accepted?or people could be given some universal id at 18

Like a National Insurance card?

Do people actually manage to hold onto those? Mine was stolen years and years ago."

I don't think I ever got one I just had my ni number drummed into by my mother! Xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If they're going to require a passport to access a service that we pay for, then the passport needs to be free and the application process needs to be improved.

They're not. Just proof that you live here. House hold bills etc. Easy.... mind the stirrup...

Oh. All those household bills that aren't in lots of peoples names? Where digital copies will almost certainly not be accepted?or people could be given some universal id at 18

Like a National Insurance card?

Do people actually manage to hold onto those? Mine was stolen years and years ago.

How do people "sign on" these days? Surely there's a residency check there? Or are we giving that away to?

I had big problems providing relevant documentation last time I tried to sign on. I was homeless and couldn't satisfy all the demands."

I thought you might have.

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

"If they're going to require a passport to access a service that we pay for, then the passport needs to be free and the application process needs to be improved.

They're not. Just proof that you live here. House hold bills etc. Easy.... mind the stirrup...

Oh. All those household bills that aren't in lots of peoples names? Where digital copies will almost certainly not be accepted?"

You should live in a technologically advanced country where stuff is actually done online;

So I can show my tax bills; utilities bills, car insurance documents, and so on, on my phone and it's accepted as an original document.

And some of the functionality of my chip and pin Health card will be available on my phone too, next year.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"We could all just be chipped at birth. Little chip under the skin and your sorted

Some people have a chip on their shoulder. i wouldnt want to be carrying something that heavy around with me"

It's not physical - it's in their heads.

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By *ubble troubleCouple
over a year ago

Manchester

I'm in favour of a system that establishes the person's eligibility for elective surgery. The fact is we don't have a clue how much money is wasted on treating people with no right to NHS treatment. Dept of Health report said "[it's] impossible to estimate with confidence"

and the fact-checking organisation FullFact say "Keeping track...is exceptionally difficult"

However any system to check eligibility has to be transparent,completely fair and it must only cost a small fraction of the money it saves. Given this country's track record on IT projects I don't think we can do this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If they're going to require a passport to access a service that we pay for, then the passport needs to be free and the application process needs to be improved.

They're not. Just proof that you live here. House hold bills etc. Easy.... mind the stirrup...

Oh. All those household bills that aren't in lots of peoples names? Where digital copies will almost certainly not be accepted?

You should live in a technologically advanced country where stuff is actually done online;

So I can show my tax bills; utilities bills, car insurance documents, and so on, on my phone and it's accepted as an original document.

And some of the functionality of my chip and pin Health card will be available on my phone too, next year."

It would probably be against someone's human rights...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sure, I don't mind bringing my passport. It's no different from showing an insurance card in the US, so I'm used to it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it's a good idea provided that it doesn't affect on going illnesses that are all ready diagnosed and being treated. Have to say the Welsh government are fantastic. There's no way i could afford all the meds I need if I still lived in England. Xxx I'm lucky because of my condition I don't pay for mine , if I did I would be costing me about seventy pounds a month , I paid for them for four years until they added a new med and I told my doc I couldn't afford it , then they told me I was exempt

No it wouldn't.

A 3 month prescription prepayment card costs £29.10 and a 12 month one is £104."

Is that how you do it now? I've not lived in England for nearly 25 years.

xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If they're going to require a passport to access a service that we pay for, then the passport needs to be free and the application process needs to be improved.

They're not. Just proof that you live here. House hold bills etc. Easy.... mind the stirrup...

Oh. All those household bills that aren't in lots of peoples names? Where digital copies will almost certainly not be accepted?or people could be given some universal id at 18

Like a National Insurance card?

Do people actually manage to hold onto those? Mine was stolen years and years ago.

How do people "sign on" these days? Surely there's a residency check there? Or are we giving that away to?

I had big problems providing relevant documentation last time I tried to sign on. I was homeless and couldn't satisfy all the demands.

I thought you might have. "

You have to provide a passport or driving license, then proof of DOB (birth or marriage certs - adoption wasn't acceptable and many people aren't married), and proof of address via paper household bill or bank statement (impossible if you don't have household bills in your name or you use paperless billing).

It's very difficult. And it stops people accessing services that were designed to help them. How does a homeless person, or a person in temporary accomodation, prove their address?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If they're going to require a passport to access a service that we pay for, then the passport needs to be free and the application process needs to be improved.

They're not. Just proof that you live here. House hold bills etc. Easy.... mind the stirrup...

Oh. All those household bills that aren't in lots of peoples names? Where digital copies will almost certainly not be accepted?

You should live in a technologically advanced country where stuff is actually done online;

So I can show my tax bills; utilities bills, car insurance documents, and so on, on my phone and it's accepted as an original document.

And some of the functionality of my chip and pin Health card will be available on my phone too, next year."

I love living in the UK. For all it's flaws, it's a beautiful place to be.

I would categorically not wish to live in France.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"I think it's a good idea provided that it doesn't affect on going illnesses that are all ready diagnosed and being treated. Have to say the Welsh government are fantastic. There's no way i could afford all the meds I need if I still lived in England. Xxx I'm lucky because of my condition I don't pay for mine , if I did I would be costing me about seventy pounds a month , I paid for them for four years until they added a new med and I told my doc I couldn't afford it , then they told me I was exempt

No it wouldn't.

A 3 month prescription prepayment card costs £29.10 and a 12 month one is £104.

Is that how you do it now? I've not lived in England for nearly 25 years.

xxx"

You can pay individually for items or you can buy a prepayment card if you get enough items that it works out cheaper.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's a sign of our times. We'll beg people to leave other countries to work in our hospitals (even when their countries desperately need them) and then applaud some right wing cunt that sprouts shit like "keep 'em out", "our country".

Eventually it'll pass and we'll look back on these twats like the small minded pricks they are.

Until then I'll keep my passport on me just in case I get run over by some foreign truck delivering foreign shit to a great British factory... like erm Branston Pickle or Walkers crisps or Jaguar... oh wait

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If they're going to require a passport to access a service that we pay for, then the passport needs to be free and the application process needs to be improved.

They're not. Just proof that you live here. House hold bills etc. Easy.... mind the stirrup...

Oh. All those household bills that aren't in lots of peoples names? Where digital copies will almost certainly not be accepted?or people could be given some universal id at 18

Like a National Insurance card?

Do people actually manage to hold onto those? Mine was stolen years and years ago.

How do people "sign on" these days? Surely there's a residency check there? Or are we giving that away to?

I had big problems providing relevant documentation last time I tried to sign on. I was homeless and couldn't satisfy all the demands.

I thought you might have.

It's very difficult. And it stops people accessing services that were designed to help them. How does a homeless person, or a person in temporary accomodation, prove their address?"

Would someone in that situation be trying to have some kind of elective surgery?

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

"If they're going to require a passport to access a service that we pay for, then the passport needs to be free and the application process needs to be improved.

They're not. Just proof that you live here. House hold bills etc. Easy.... mind the stirrup...

Oh. All those household bills that aren't in lots of peoples names? Where digital copies will almost certainly not be accepted?

You should live in a technologically advanced country where stuff is actually done online;

So I can show my tax bills; utilities bills, car insurance documents, and so on, on my phone and it's accepted as an original document.

And some of the functionality of my chip and pin Health card will be available on my phone too, next year.

I love living in the UK. For all it's flaws, it's a beautiful place to be.

I would categorically not wish to live in France. "
thought you where leaving the uk when you finished your education

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"If they're going to require a passport to access a service that we pay for, then the passport needs to be free and the application process needs to be improved.

They're not. Just proof that you live here. House hold bills etc. Easy.... mind the stirrup...

Oh. All those household bills that aren't in lots of peoples names? Where digital copies will almost certainly not be accepted?

You should live in a technologically advanced country where stuff is actually done online;

So I can show my tax bills; utilities bills, car insurance documents, and so on, on my phone and it's accepted as an original document.

And some of the functionality of my chip and pin Health card will be available on my phone too, next year.

I love living in the UK. For all it's flaws, it's a beautiful place to be.

I would categorically not wish to live in France. thought you where leaving the uk when you finished your education "

For some people, education can take years...depending on their level of intelligence - there again, my friend has only just finished her PhD and she started school at 4 and now she's 44.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it's a good idea provided that it doesn't affect on going illnesses that are all ready diagnosed and being treated. Have to say the Welsh government are fantastic. There's no way i could afford all the meds I need if I still lived in England. Xxx I'm lucky because of my condition I don't pay for mine , if I did I would be costing me about seventy pounds a month , I paid for them for four years until they added a new med and I told my doc I couldn't afford it , then they told me I was exempt

No it wouldn't.

A 3 month prescription prepayment card costs £29.10 and a 12 month one is £104.

Is that how you do it now? I've not lived in England for nearly 25 years.

xxx

You can pay individually for items or you can buy a prepayment card if you get enough items that it works out cheaper."

Think I'll stay in Wales.

xxx

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Rightly so. "

Just no.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yep £10 a month tax for needing medicine

Oh and if your kid gets cancer make sure you pay for the car park

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it's a good idea provided that it doesn't affect on going illnesses that are all ready diagnosed and being treated. Have to say the Welsh government are fantastic. There's no way i could afford all the meds I need if I still lived in England. Xxx I'm lucky because of my condition I don't pay for mine , if I did I would be costing me about seventy pounds a month , I paid for them for four years until they added a new med and I told my doc I couldn't afford it , then they told me I was exempt

No it wouldn't.

A 3 month prescription prepayment card costs £29.10 and a 12 month one is £104.

Is that how you do it now? I've not lived in England for nearly 25 years.

xxx"

With certain conditions in England you can apply for a medical exemption certificate to get free prescriptions.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"Rightly so.

Just no.

Oh, Joe!

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Rightly so.

Just no.

Oh, Joe! "

What, ho?

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By *tarbeckCouple
over a year ago

york

"I think it's a good idea provided that it doesn't affect on going illnesses that are all ready diagnosed and being treated. Have to say the Welsh government are fantastic. There's no way i could afford all the meds I need if I still lived in England. Xxx I'm lucky because of my condition I don't pay for mine , if I did I would be costing me about seventy pounds a month , I paid for them for four years until they added a new med and I told my doc I couldn't afford it , then they told me I was exempt

No it wouldn't.

A 3 month prescription prepayment card costs £29.10 and a 12 month one is £104.

Is that how you do it now? I've not lived in England for nearly 25 years.

xxx

You can pay individually for items or you can buy a prepayment card if you get enough items that it works out cheaper.

Think I'll stay in Wales.

xxx"
You do right , I think the last thing on steves mind when I had my accident was should he be paying for my meds x

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

It's all part of the smoke and mirrors used by government. When they raise stuff like this, for a trivial issue - just ask what else is going on that you're being distracted away from.

As other threads have shown, there is insignificant unclaimed money for NHS treatment, compared to the NHS budget. The government isn't investing sufficiently into the NHS, a tactic that's repeated over the last few years. That it's being starved of cash, year on year, is the big scandal and will affect all of us, now and in the future.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Health tourism isn't a real issue in the NHS IMO but is great for headlines and scare mongering.

As some said they don't work hard enough to reclaim the money. The cost to the UK for treating brits abroad far outweighs the cost of treating EU migrants/visitors being treated in the U.K.

They reckon that health tourism counts for 10% of the expenditure on treating non EU migrants.

I also read today that the NHS spends £200m more on stationary than the cost of Health Tourism and loses £300m in when people DNA appointments annually.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's all part of the smoke and mirrors used by government. When they raise stuff like this, for a trivial issue - just ask what else is going on that you're being distracted away from.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

"There are a lot of "health tourists" so if it stops that from happening I'm all for it. We are lucky to have the NHS in this country and its been abused for too many years.

Mrs X "

No, there aren't a lot of health tourists. It happens but it's uncommon. This is just another piece of propaganda.

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By *ubble troubleCouple
over a year ago

Manchester

They reckon that health tourism counts for 10% of the expenditure on treating non EU migrants.

I also read today that the NHS spends £200m more on stationary than the cost of Health Tourism and loses £300m in when people DNA appointments annually."

That's the thing. Unlike missed appointments which can be measured precisely, we don't have a scooby about how much is lost through non-eligible patients.

However your general point that the NHS is being deliberately underfunded is correct. Aided and abetted by the NHS Confederation (the club that all the trust CEOs belong to) who long-term want to be on even bigger salaries as part of private health conglomerates.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i don't have a passport though, neither do my kids.

wonder if it's some kind of way to get us to buy passports? like they wanted everyone to carry ID cards and a passport is similar...and for those of us who don't have one maybe they'll force us to use ID cards?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think anyone is or would object to the principle of ensuring that people who are not entitled to any service don't benefit from it.

The concerns raised are that the system implemented must not exclude any who are entitled.

To some this is sitting on a high horse, to others its having a chip on their shoulder....to me if the system is to protect all those entitled to use it but you have no concern that all entitled have access then why support the need for any system....other than "I'm alright jack"....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't think anyone is or would object to the principle of ensuring that people who are not entitled to any service don't benefit from it.

The concerns raised are that the system implemented must not exclude any who are entitled.

To be honest if somebody turns up in hospital in need of help I don't give a fuck about their 'entitlement'. I hope if I'm in that situation somebody else will think likewise.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't think anyone is or would object to the principle of ensuring that people who are not entitled to any service don't benefit from it.

The concerns raised are that the system implemented must not exclude any who are entitled.

To be honest if somebody turns up in hospital in need of help I don't give a fuck about their 'entitlement'. I hope if I'm in that situation somebody else will think likewise."

I'm lead to believe that emergency care would not be included in the scheme

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't think anyone is or would object to the principle of ensuring that people who are not entitled to any service don't benefit from it.

The concerns raised are that the system implemented must not exclude any who are entitled.

To be honest if somebody turns up in hospital in need of help I don't give a fuck about their 'entitlement'. I hope if I'm in that situation somebody else will think likewise.

I'm lead to believe that emergency care would not be included in the scheme"

Have they already drawn up proposals?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't think anyone is or would object to the principle of ensuring that people who are not entitled to any service don't benefit from it.

The concerns raised are that the system implemented must not exclude any who are entitled.

To be honest if somebody turns up in hospital in need of help I don't give a fuck about their 'entitlement'. I hope if I'm in that situation somebody else will think likewise.

I'm lead to believe that emergency care would not be included in the scheme

Have they already drawn up proposals?"

Already running it in some hospitals.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't think anyone is or would object to the principle of ensuring that people who are not entitled to any service don't benefit from it.

The concerns raised are that the system implemented must not exclude any who are entitled.

To be honest if somebody turns up in hospital in need of help I don't give a fuck about their 'entitlement'. I hope if I'm in that situation somebody else will think likewise.

I'm lead to believe that emergency care would not be included in the scheme

Have they already drawn up proposals?"

I'm not sure, i expressed the same concern earlier in the thread and was informed that emergency treatment wouldn't be included.

Further into the thread a government spokesman has indicated that the scheme would be for elective surgery only

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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay

"I don't think anyone is or would object to the principle of ensuring that people who are not entitled to any service don't benefit from it.

The concerns raised are that the system implemented must not exclude any who are entitled.

To be honest if somebody turns up in hospital in need of help I don't give a fuck about their 'entitlement'. I hope if I'm in that situation somebody else will think likewise.

I'm lead to believe that emergency care would not be included in the scheme

Have they already drawn up proposals?"

No.....it's being lauded by two surgeons and supported by a few backbench Tory MP's, who probably had the surgeons bring it up in the first place so that it could be discussed in Parliament.

Governments often use 'Professionals' to get a political ball rolling....

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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay

"I don't think anyone is or would object to the principle of ensuring that people who are not entitled to any service don't benefit from it.

The concerns raised are that the system implemented must not exclude any who are entitled.

To be honest if somebody turns up in hospital in need of help I don't give a fuck about their 'entitlement'. I hope if I'm in that situation somebody else will think likewise.

I'm lead to believe that emergency care would not be included in the scheme

Have they already drawn up proposals?

Already running it in some hospitals. "

But only as a local Health Authority initiative and not an NHS wide initiative....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I fully support it you should also have to have a random drugs and alcohol test for claiming benefits.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just read up on it - apparently is already being done in Peterborough but it sounds more like it's a check to see if they can invoice other countries to recover some costs (where appropriate).

There's also a quote about wider proposals though which said "It would mean that those trying to access health services in England, including British citizens, might have to prove their identity before having operations and undergoing tests in hospitals, but it would not cover care received at GP surgeries".

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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay

"I fully support it you should also have to have a random drugs and alcohol test for claiming benefits. "

Why?, is drug taking and social drinking only undertaken by those on benefits?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No but I have never claimed a penny in benefits in my life and go to work pay my taxes etc yet I have to comply with drugs and alcohol tests so I can work and claim a wage.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What ever happened to the ids that the government were supposed to introduce a few years ago x plus I think dentists are a rip off £59 for check up and hygenist x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm always amazed to see the resistance to ID cards in this country. I simply don't understand why people are so afraid of having them.

Realistically you are going to be able to show a passport, a drivers licence, birth certificate as ID. This is how it works in much of the developed world. Try stepping in to a Scandinavian hospital without an ID card unless it is a dire emergency. If they can do it why not here?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No but I have never claimed a penny in benefits in my life and go to work pay my taxes etc yet I have to comply with drugs and alcohol tests so I can work and claim a wage. "

Good point!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No but I have never claimed a penny in benefits in my life and go to work pay my taxes etc yet I have to comply with drugs and alcohol tests so I can work and claim a wage. "

I don't have to comply with drug and alcohol tests to work

I have to take regular h&s courses, trade related refreshers and hold public liability insurance so i can work and claim a wage...so i think you should have to too!

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By *aisy100Woman
over a year ago

wakefield

People who are born in this country are given an NHS number, this could be made into a photo ID card maybe?

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By *unlinguyMan
over a year ago

South Dublin

"So if you are a low income family, don't have a passport and get ill you have to find £85 and wait 2 weeks (if you are lucky) to receive your passport before yiu can use the nhs?

Lets hope no one in that situation suffers a burst appendix, broken bone, laceration, heart attack, stroke....to mention a few

You just need proof of residency. And it's not for emergencies. I'll help you down off your high horse if you like...... come on

... easy does it.."

Ehhh... how is he on his high horse? And a passport is not a proof of residency.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No but I have never claimed a penny in benefits in my life and go to work pay my taxes etc yet I have to comply with drugs and alcohol tests so I can work and claim a wage.

I don't have to comply with drug and alcohol tests to work

I have to take regular h&s courses, trade related refreshers and hold public liability insurance so i can work and claim a wage...so i think you should have to too!"

All that just to drive a van... ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No but I have never claimed a penny in benefits in my life and go to work pay my taxes etc yet I have to comply with drugs and alcohol tests so I can work and claim a wage. "

it's a waste of money really, to test benefit claimants, as most aren't on drugs or alcoholic. also, what they gonna do to drug addicts who test positive? people who want to give up drugs are waiting forever for rehab as it is, would be a waste of time (and resources) forcing people to give up drugs on top of that.

i gave up drinking easily but had a reason to do that. it's not as simple for most everyone else addicted to stuff.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"Rightly so.

Just no.

Oh, Joe!

What, ho?"

Yo, bro

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm all for it!

If I have identification as a British citizen then what's the problem?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm all for it!

If I have identification as a British citizen then what's the problem?"

None. For you. In Britain.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No but I have never claimed a penny in benefits in my life and go to work pay my taxes etc yet I have to comply with drugs and alcohol tests so I can work and claim a wage.

I don't have to comply with drug and alcohol tests to work

I have to take regular h&s courses, trade related refreshers and hold public liability insurance so i can work and claim a wage...so i think you should have to too!

All that just to drive a van... ..."

And use a chainsaw, repair roofs, build walls, operate light plant, work safely on construction sites...to mention a few

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No but I have never claimed a penny in benefits in my life and go to work pay my taxes etc yet I have to comply with drugs and alcohol tests so I can work and claim a wage.

I don't have to comply with drug and alcohol tests to work

I have to take regular h&s courses, trade related refreshers and hold public liability insurance so i can work and claim a wage...so i think you should have to too!

All that just to drive a van... ...

And use a chainsaw, repair roofs, build walls, operate light plant, work safely on construction sites...to mention a few"

Why haven't you got your profile name as "Oddjob" ?

that would be fantastic!!

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By *ndigo40Woman
over a year ago

secret town

"There are a lot of "health tourists" so if it stops that from happening I'm all for it. We are lucky to have the NHS in this country and its been abused for too many years.

Mrs X "

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By *artytwoCouple
over a year ago

Wolverhampton

It's about time.

Always wondered why they don't ask for ID when you get your prescription. Pharmacists ask "what's the address?" which is typed on the form so if someone picks up or pinches a prescription they just need a good memory.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There are a lot of "health tourists" so if it stops that from happening I'm all for it. We are lucky to have the NHS in this country and its been abused for too many years.

Mrs X

Gonna send back the doctors and nurses too?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There are a lot of "health tourists" so if it stops that from happening I'm all for it. We are lucky to have the NHS in this country and its been abused for too many years.

Mrs X

Gonna send back the doctors and nurses too?"

Hmmm, where's that come from?

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By *ilmissplumpyWoman
over a year ago

Wolverhampton

I think it's a good idea. I work in the nhs and have worked in walk in centres where its amazing how many people you cannot find on the system who have limited or no english language knowledge.

Personally if people come to this country, they should pay for their treatment just as i do when i go abroad if i have illness.

LMP

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

Drop the drugs talk please

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Drop the drugs talk please"

Soz

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it's a good idea. I work in the nhs and have worked in walk in centres where its amazing how many people you cannot find on the system who have limited or no english language knowledge.

Personally if people come to this country, they should pay for their treatment just as i do when i go abroad if i have illness.

LMP"

We both work in the NHS and can think of few worse things than turning a sick person away or demanding proof of citizenship or financial worth.

We are not immigration officials .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Drop the drugs talk please

Soz

I'd still like to understand your previous point if you're able to do so without mentioning drugs...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it's a good idea. I work in the nhs and have worked in walk in centres where its amazing how many people you cannot find on the system who have limited or no english language knowledge.

Personally if people come to this country, they should pay for their treatment just as i do when i go abroad if i have illness.

LMP

We both work in the NHS and can think of few worse things than turning a sick person away or demanding proof of citizenship or financial worth.

We are not immigration officials ."

The check would probably be done by whoever is referring the patient for treatment surely?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Drop the drugs talk please

Soz

I'd still like to understand your previous point if you're able to do so without mentioning drugs..."

I'm sure you would, but I don't know if I can explain it that well.

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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago

Wakefield

"It will be any legally accepted original paper form of residency and identity.

There will be a fair amount of British residents who wouldn't then be able to access the national health service - which was specifically put in place to help people like them.

Tough Titty

It would also mean that GUM clinics could no longer carry out checks anonymously

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Drop the drugs talk please

Soz

I'd still like to understand your previous point if you're able to do so without mentioning drugs...

I'm sure you would, but I don't know if I can explain it that well. "

Then send me a message and you can be as honest and explicit as you like

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By *ittlemisssassypantsCouple
over a year ago

South East Wales

Hmm...well, my sister lives in Italy, she's married to an Italian man and they have a child- yet she has an Italian passport, her daughter was born in Britain and therefore has a British passport but they are only ever in the UK max 12 weeks of the year (collectively) so I'm not quite sure how this would be policed in these circumstances...

Sassy

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By *artytwoCouple
over a year ago

Wolverhampton

"It will be any legally accepted original paper form of residency and identity.

There will be a fair amount of British residents who wouldn't then be able to access the national health service - which was specifically put in place to help people like them.

Tough Titty

It would also mean that GUM clinics could no longer carry out checks anonymously"

That's a very good point.

Might fuck a few of us

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it's a good idea. I work in the nhs and have worked in walk in centres where its amazing how many people you cannot find on the system who have limited or no english language knowledge.

Personally if people come to this country, they should pay for their treatment just as i do when i go abroad if i have illness.

LMP

We both work in the NHS and can think of few worse things than turning a sick person away or demanding proof of citizenship or financial worth.

We are not immigration officials ."

And the odds are a large amount of people doing the checks wouldn't be British themselves given how much the NHS relies on foreign staff!

I pay national insurance on the basis I'm happy to contribute to a service that helps people in need, when they need it.

If people want to be sure of only paying for a service that's available to those who pay directly for it they have the option if private healthcare.

This jingoistic ignorant bullshit is just propaganda for a right wing agenda.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Drop the drugs talk please

Soz

I'd still like to understand your previous point if you're able to do so without mentioning drugs...

I'm sure you would, but I don't know if I can explain it that well.

Then send me a message and you can be as honest and explicit as you like

I'm really not that fussed.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

In Germany, anybody gets emergency acute critical care, regardless of where they come from and who they are.

I you walk into a hospital say with a sprained ankle or stomach bu or whatever appears not life threatening, you will be asked to present the EHIC card which demonstrates you are covered by, in this case, the UK.

If you have not got the EHIC card you have to pay - even I had to pay a couple of years ago when I had forgotten my EHIC card. I was able to claim it back afterwards.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it's a good idea. I work in the nhs and have worked in walk in centres where its amazing how many people you cannot find on the system who have limited or no english language knowledge.

Personally if people come to this country, they should pay for their treatment just as i do when i go abroad if i have illness.

LMP

We both work in the NHS and can think of few worse things than turning a sick person away or demanding proof of citizenship or financial worth.

We are not immigration officials .

And the odds are a large amount of people doing the checks wouldn't be British themselves given how much the NHS relies on foreign staff!

I pay national insurance on the basis I'm happy to contribute to a service that helps people in need, when they need it.

If people want to be sure of only paying for a service that's available to those who pay directly for it they have the option if private healthcare.

This jingoistic ignorant bullshit is just propaganda for a right wing agenda."

But those foreign workers will be paying national insurance so are therefore entitled to health care.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Drop the drugs talk please

Soz

I'd still like to understand your previous point if you're able to do so without mentioning drugs...

I'm sure you would, but I don't know if I can explain it that well.

Then send me a message and you can be as honest and explicit as you like

I'm really not that fussed."

Me neither

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it's a good idea. I work in the nhs and have worked in walk in centres where its amazing how many people you cannot find on the system who have limited or no english language knowledge.

Personally if people come to this country, they should pay for their treatment just as i do when i go abroad if i have illness.

LMP

We both work in the NHS and can think of few worse things than turning a sick person away or demanding proof of citizenship or financial worth.

We are not immigration officials .

The check would probably be done by whoever is referring the patient for treatment surely? "

Do you mean the GP. The same rule applies.

Medical professionals treat illness and disease. I don't care where people are from. If they need treatment and present to a doctor in this country, they get treatment.

Other people are responsible for whether they are supposed to be here, not doctors.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it's a good idea. I work in the nhs and have worked in walk in centres where its amazing how many people you cannot find on the system who have limited or no english language knowledge.

Personally if people come to this country, they should pay for their treatment just as i do when i go abroad if i have illness.

LMP

We both work in the NHS and can think of few worse things than turning a sick person away or demanding proof of citizenship or financial worth.

We are not immigration officials .

And the odds are a large amount of people doing the checks wouldn't be British themselves given how much the NHS relies on foreign staff!

I pay national insurance on the basis I'm happy to contribute to a service that helps people in need, when they need it.

If people want to be sure of only paying for a service that's available to those who pay directly for it they have the option if private healthcare.

This jingoistic ignorant bullshit is just propaganda for a right wing agenda.

But those foreign workers will be paying national insurance so are therefore entitled to health care. "

Yes. But on that basis the people who are British and have never paid national insurance shouldn't get any treatment either.

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By *verysmileMan
over a year ago

Canterbury

I have read a few of the posts on here.

I don't think people understand the difference between health tourism and emergency treatment.

This measure is supposed to stop those seeking long term, expensive treatment who are not entitled to it but not to stop accident and emergency admissions.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"I have read a few of the posts on here.

I don't think people understand the difference between health tourism and emergency treatment.

This measure is supposed to stop those seeking long term, expensive treatment who are not entitled to it but not to stop accident and emergency admissions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Check out the 5 year plan for the NHS and the privatisation by stealth...those of us who work in it every day on the frontline are depressed and demoralised...don't give a shit where you're from if you're taken ill and are lying in front of us on a trolley...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it's a good idea. I work in the nhs and have worked in walk in centres where its amazing how many people you cannot find on the system who have limited or no english language knowledge.

Personally if people come to this country, they should pay for their treatment just as i do when i go abroad if i have illness.

LMP

We both work in the NHS and can think of few worse things than turning a sick person away or demanding proof of citizenship or financial worth.

We are not immigration officials .

The check would probably be done by whoever is referring the patient for treatment surely?

Do you mean the GP. The same rule applies.

Medical professionals treat illness and disease. I don't care where people are from. If they need treatment and present to a doctor in this country, they get treatment.

Other people are responsible for whether they are supposed to be here, not doctors."

How would you suggest they control it?

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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago

glasgow

"There are a lot of "health tourists" so if it stops that from happening I'm all for it. We are lucky to have the NHS in this country and its been abused for too many years.

Mrs X

Gonna send back the doctors and nurses too?"

Only if they are health tourists.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it's a good idea. I work in the nhs and have worked in walk in centres where its amazing how many people you cannot find on the system who have limited or no english language knowledge.

Personally if people come to this country, they should pay for their treatment just as i do when i go abroad if i have illness.

LMP

We both work in the NHS and can think of few worse things than turning a sick person away or demanding proof of citizenship or financial worth.

We are not immigration officials .

And the odds are a large amount of people doing the checks wouldn't be British themselves given how much the NHS relies on foreign staff!

I pay national insurance on the basis I'm happy to contribute to a service that helps people in need, when they need it.

If people want to be sure of only paying for a service that's available to those who pay directly for it they have the option if private healthcare.

This jingoistic ignorant bullshit is just propaganda for a right wing agenda.

But those foreign workers will be paying national insurance so are therefore entitled to health care.

Yes. But on that basis the people who are British and have never paid national insurance shouldn't get any treatment either."

what have you got against people on income support?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have read a few of the posts on here.

I don't think people understand the difference between health tourism and emergency treatment.

This measure is supposed to stop those seeking long term, expensive treatment who are not entitled to it but not to stop accident and emergency admissions.

Yes but to me that's an issue that should be dealt with before anybody gets to a hospital (in normal circumstances).

My issues with this is 1. The right wing jingoism its a part of and 2. The principle that the NHS should be a service that's free and without any of this sort of bullshit.

It's bad enough having to give your address when you're bleeding all over reception! (and pay for a parking ticket)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have read a few of the posts on here.

I don't think people understand the difference between health tourism and emergency treatment.

This measure is supposed to stop those seeking long term, expensive treatment who are not entitled to it but not to stop accident and emergency admissions.

Some people can only read certain parts of a thread.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it's a good idea. I work in the nhs and have worked in walk in centres where its amazing how many people you cannot find on the system who have limited or no english language knowledge.

Personally if people come to this country, they should pay for their treatment just as i do when i go abroad if i have illness.

LMP

We both work in the NHS and can think of few worse things than turning a sick person away or demanding proof of citizenship or financial worth.

We are not immigration officials .

And the odds are a large amount of people doing the checks wouldn't be British themselves given how much the NHS relies on foreign staff!

I pay national insurance on the basis I'm happy to contribute to a service that helps people in need, when they need it.

If people want to be sure of only paying for a service that's available to those who pay directly for it they have the option if private healthcare.

This jingoistic ignorant bullshit is just propaganda for a right wing agenda.

But those foreign workers will be paying national insurance so are therefore entitled to health care.

Yes. But on that basis the people who are British and have never paid national insurance shouldn't get any treatment either.

what have you got against people on income support? "

Erm nothing

What have you against foreign people trying to be treated for illness?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have read a few of the posts on here.

I don't think people understand the difference between health tourism and emergency treatment.

This measure is supposed to stop those seeking long term, expensive treatment who are not entitled to it but not to stop accident and emergency admissions.

Yes but to me that's an issue that should be dealt with before anybody gets to a hospital (in normal circumstances).

My issues with this is 1. The right wing jingoism its a part of and 2. The principle that the NHS should be a service that's free and without any of this sort of bullshit.

It's bad enough having to give your address when you're bleeding all over reception! (and pay for a parking ticket)"

The NHS is not a free service.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it's a good idea. I work in the nhs and have worked in walk in centres where its amazing how many people you cannot find on the system who have limited or no english language knowledge.

Personally if people come to this country, they should pay for their treatment just as i do when i go abroad if i have illness.

LMP

We both work in the NHS and can think of few worse things than turning a sick person away or demanding proof of citizenship or financial worth.

We are not immigration officials .

And the odds are a large amount of people doing the checks wouldn't be British themselves given how much the NHS relies on foreign staff!

I pay national insurance on the basis I'm happy to contribute to a service that helps people in need, when they need it.

If people want to be sure of only paying for a service that's available to those who pay directly for it they have the option if private healthcare.

This jingoistic ignorant bullshit is just propaganda for a right wing agenda.

But those foreign workers will be paying national insurance so are therefore entitled to health care.

Yes. But on that basis the people who are British and have never paid national insurance shouldn't get any treatment either.

what have you got against people on income support?

Erm nothing

What have you against foreign people trying to be treated for illness?"

Nothing, if they are in need of emergency treatment.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have read a few of the posts on here.

I don't think people understand the difference between health tourism and emergency treatment.

This measure is supposed to stop those seeking long term, expensive treatment who are not entitled to it but not to stop accident and emergency admissions.

Yes but to me that's an issue that should be dealt with before anybody gets to a hospital (in normal circumstances).

My issues with this is 1. The right wing jingoism its a part of and 2. The principle that the NHS should be a service that's free and without any of this sort of bullshit.

It's bad enough having to give your address when you're bleeding all over reception! (and pay for a parking ticket)

The NHS is not a free service. "

FFS. Already dealt with several posts ago

The bit where I'm happy to pay for it on the basis that it's free at the point of need. Don't like it go and pay for private etc. etc.

Hm but that would be ironic given your post just now about people only reading the bits that suit them wouldn't it!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nothing, if they are in need of emergency treatment. "

Hopefully most will at least agree with that.

Though then there's the question of what is deemed emergency treatment.

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By *unlinguyMan
over a year ago

South Dublin

I think it's a good idea. I work in the nhs and have worked in walk in centres where its amazing how many people you cannot find on the system who have limited or no english language knowledge.

Personally if people come to this country, they should pay for their treatment just as i do when i go abroad if i have illness.

LMP

We both work in the NHS and can think of few worse things than turning a sick person away or demanding proof of citizenship or financial worth.

We are not immigration officials .

And the odds are a large amount of people doing the checks wouldn't be British themselves given how much the NHS relies on foreign staff!

I pay national insurance on the basis I'm happy to contribute to a service that helps people in need, when they need it.

If people want to be sure of only paying for a service that's available to those who pay directly for it they have the option if private healthcare.

This jingoistic ignorant bullshit is just propaganda for a right wing agenda.

But those foreign workers will be paying national insurance so are therefore entitled to health care.

Yes. But on that basis the people who are British and have never paid national insurance shouldn't get any treatment either.

what have you got against people on income support?

Erm nothing

What have you against foreign people trying to be treated for illness?

Nothing, if they are in need of emergency treatment. "

And what if it is not an emergency but still need medical treatment, and that person happens to be homeless with no proof of address "household bills etc" and no passport?

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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay

"No but I have never claimed a penny in benefits in my life and go to work pay my taxes etc yet I have to comply with drugs and alcohol tests so I can work and claim a wage. "

So just because you are in a job that requires compulsory drug and alcohol testing, you think that anyone who is unlucky enough to fall on hard times or has lost their job should also be forced to?

Why we are about it why not go the whole hog and fit them all with tags around their ankles?

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

"I don't think anyone is or would object to the principle of ensuring that people who are not entitled to any service don't benefit from it.

The concerns raised are that the system implemented must not exclude any who are entitled.

To be honest if somebody turns up in hospital in need of help I don't give a fuck about their 'entitlement'. I hope if I'm in that situation somebody else will think likewise."

Try living in france if you are not french the first thing they want is a credit card to cover costs or proof of insurance

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No but I have never claimed a penny in benefits in my life and go to work pay my taxes etc yet I have to comply with drugs and alcohol tests so I can work and claim a wage.

So just because you are in a job that requires compulsory drug and alcohol testing, you think that anyone who is unlucky enough to fall on hard times or has lost their job should also be forced to?

Why we are about it why not go the whole hog and fit them all with tags around their ankles?

Yes I do!! If you want free money from the state then you should at least prove that youre drug and alcohol free at the point of collecting it. Just because I have a different opinion than yourself you don't need to embellish what I've said and exaggerate my point.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Unenforceable nonsense

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't think anyone is or would object to the principle of ensuring that people who are not entitled to any service don't benefit from it.

The concerns raised are that the system implemented must not exclude any who are entitled.

To be honest if somebody turns up in hospital in need of help I don't give a fuck about their 'entitlement'. I hope if I'm in that situation somebody else will think likewise.

Try living in france if you are not french the first thing they want is a credit card to cover costs or proof of insurance"

Presumably the NHS EHIC thing will disappear after Brexit too.

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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay

"No but I have never claimed a penny in benefits in my life and go to work pay my taxes etc yet I have to comply with drugs and alcohol tests so I can work and claim a wage.

So just because you are in a job that requires compulsory drug and alcohol testing, you think that anyone who is unlucky enough to fall on hard times or has lost their job should also be forced to?

Why we are about it why not go the whole hog and fit them all with tags around their ankles?

Tax credits are classed as a benefit.....Disablility Living Allowance is classed as a benefit....

So all benefits?

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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay

The Department of Work and Pensions classes the State Pension as a benefit......are all pensioners to be drug and alcohol tested as well?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"I'm always amazed to see the resistance to ID cards in this country. I simply don't understand why people are so afraid of having them.

Renate Samson, the chief executive of Big Brother Watch, said: “...None of us online are now guaranteed the right to communicate privately and, most importantly, securely.”' Investigatory Powers Act, 19th November 2016. (from same feature) This bill give the UK intelligence agencies and police the most sweeping surveillance powers in the western world.

That the UK now has about the most intrusive state architecture, as well as acted illegally in their surveillance for many years, has probably just about justified why many politicians and the public were so against ID cards, databases and surveillance.

In any event, it's all just a distraction from what's really important. The government isn't investing into our NHS at the same levels that's it done previously: in effect, in real terms, it's made substantial cuts to NHS funding. That's where our attention should be being put, as it's killing the NHS.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's political for sure.

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

"I don't think anyone is or would object to the principle of ensuring that people who are not entitled to any service don't benefit from it.

The concerns raised are that the system implemented must not exclude any who are entitled.

To be honest if somebody turns up in hospital in need of help I don't give a fuck about their 'entitlement'. I hope if I'm in that situation somebody else will think likewise.

Try living in france if you are not french the first thing they want is a credit card to cover costs or proof of insurance

Presumably the NHS EHIC thing will disappear after Brexit too."

presume that will be subject to the negotiations

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Unenforceable nonsense "

The ridiculous thing is the attempt to differentiate emergency care with long-term care as if every illness is like a broken leg. At what point does the emergency stop and who makes that decision? Do we haul a patient from their trolley as soon as their heart attack is under control and send 'em packing? Stick a plaster on a broken leg and ship 'em to the airport in an ambulance?

It's just such a non-story, but perfect yo whip up the natives.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Unenforceable nonsense "

Absolutely! But come on, it's like a puppet show in here!

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By *unlinguyMan
over a year ago

South Dublin

"The Department of Work and Pensions classes the State Pension as a benefit......are all pensioners to be drug and alcohol tested as well?"

Cant wait to see the reply to this one

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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay

"I don't think anyone is or would object to the principle of ensuring that people who are not entitled to any service don't benefit from it.

The concerns raised are that the system implemented must not exclude any who are entitled.

To be honest if somebody turns up in hospital in need of help I don't give a fuck about their 'entitlement'. I hope if I'm in that situation somebody else will think likewise.

Try living in france if you are not french the first thing they want is a credit card to cover costs or proof of insurance

Presumably the NHS EHIC thing will disappear after Brexit too."

We currently have hundreds of thousands of pensioners living in Spain, Portugal and France....those poor buggers can't even get a simple answer from the UK government as to whether there will be ongoing reciprocal health care cover or an alternative guarantee.....

They deserve better

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Unenforceable nonsense

Absolutely! But come on, it's like a puppet show in here! "

If you removed your fist from up your arse it would be a little less so

On a separate but vaguely linked note the programme on TV about them switching on hearing implants is awesome.

I'd prefer to see us continuing along the 'NHS is the greatest service in the world' line than the 'keep 'em out' shite.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Where does our free care for foreign nationals end? Should we be opening up hospitals and walk-in clinics in Erbil and Accra so that we're not treating only the wealthy ones who could afford the flight?

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"No but I have never claimed a penny in benefits in my life and go to work pay my taxes etc yet I have to comply with drugs and alcohol tests so I can work and claim a wage. "

Thats your own stupid fault. Alhohol isn't illegal and I see no reason why my out of work activities are of any concern to my employer unless I am unable to perform my duties.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Where does our free care for foreign nationals end? Should we be opening up hospitals and walk-in clinics in Erbil and Accra so that we're not treating only the wealthy ones who could afford the flight? "

Putting aside that that's got sod all relevance to the topic... as a point if principle I'm happier with the idea that as a nation we invest in medical developments and that we seek to help people everywhere we can.

We've been doing that for a very long time and very well.

The issue at hand in this country is to tackle the causes of people becoming so small minded. This kind of proposal is just a symptom.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The Department of Work and Pensions classes the State Pension as a benefit......are all pensioners to be drug and alcohol tested as well?

Cant wait to see the reply to this one

I'm sure in order to qualify for a state pension there's a minimum contribution that had to have been made?

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"Unenforceable nonsense

Absolutely! But come on, it's like a puppet show in here!

If you removed your fist from up your arse it would be a little less so

On a separate but vaguely linked note the programme on TV about them switching on hearing implants is awesome.

I'd prefer to see us continuing along the 'NHS is the greatest service in the world' line than the 'keep 'em out' shite."

Any fule kno' that it's one of these "Look! Over here! Get angry about this!" things that distract people whilst the whole lot is auctioned off right under their noses.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I thought everyone got a state pension (just reduced if you contributed less)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Unenforceable nonsense

Absolutely! But come on, it's like a puppet show in here!

If you removed your fist from up your arse it would be a little less so

On a separate but vaguely linked note the programme on TV about them switching on hearing implants is awesome.

I'd prefer to see us continuing along the 'NHS is the greatest service in the world' line than the 'keep 'em out' shite.

Any fule kno' that it's one of these "Look! Over here! Get angry about this!" things that distract people whilst the whole lot is auctioned off right under their noses. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We've been doing that for a very long time and very well.

I'm not sure that's come from the NHS's meagre bucket of cash.

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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay

"The Department of Work and Pensions classes the State Pension as a benefit......are all pensioners to be drug and alcohol tested as well?

Cant wait to see the reply to this one

I'm sure in order to qualify for a state pension there's a minimum contribution that had to have been made? "

We have a minimum income guarantee for all that are over the retirement age.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I thought everyone got a state pension (just reduced if you contributed less)"

Seems we need a pensions expert.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I haven't read the thread (it might make me cross), just the title.

What will the NHS do with the 100% British street or otherwise homeless with no passport or utility bill?

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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay

Tony Blairs government brought in a safety net for pensioners in the forum of the Minimum Income Guarantee.....it doesn't reach the dizzy heights of the state pension but it ensures pensioners are not in poverty

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can only be a good thing . We have had to pay abroad , why should people not entitled to treatment paid for through our taxes get it free here ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I haven't read the thread (it might make me cross), just the title.

What will the NHS do with the 100% British street or otherwise homeless with no passport or utility bill?

That's been covered. They're going to be sent to the colonies. Lucky fuckers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Tony Blairs government brought in a safety net for pensioners in the forum of the Minimum Income Guarantee.....it doesn't reach the dizzy heights of the state pension but it ensures pensioners are not in poverty"

To get the full basic State Pension you need a total of 30 qualifying years of National Insurance contributions or credits.

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By *aren1956TV/TS
over a year ago

Fakenham

Try turning up for medical treatment in France or Germany and try to freeload, you'll soon get sent on your way. We are so slack in this country.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"I thought everyone got a state pension (just reduced if you contributed less)

Seems we need a pensions expert."

It's not straightforward as if you're in the EEA then different rules apply, so that contributions made in another EEA country could count towards what you get.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To get the full basic State Pension you need a total of 30 qualifying years of National Insurance contributions or credits."

Therefore, I'm content that those who contributed can do what the fuck they like.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As has already been stated many times (and seemingly missed/ignored), free at the point of delivery doesn't mean free.

It's the NHS' job to reclaim the cost of treatment from other EU and non EU states. The process for doing that are poor and not followed through to completion.

Those who work in the NHS will know that we don't even have robust processes for reclaiming money if you fall ill or require treatment in another part of the country

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"I haven't read the thread (it might make me cross), just the title.

What will the NHS do with the 100% British street or otherwise homeless with no passport or utility bill?

That's been covered. They're going to be sent to the colonies. Lucky fuckers."

Will their EHICs work in the colonies if they're bloody foreigners? We can't have those freeloaders freeloading in our colonies, can we? Do we still have colonies?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nothing will happen anyway. The whole story was created so people didn't ask questions about the UFO in Rochester.

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

"I don't think anyone is or would object to the principle of ensuring that people who are not entitled to any service don't benefit from it.

The concerns raised are that the system implemented must not exclude any who are entitled.

To be honest if somebody turns up in hospital in need of help I don't give a fuck about their 'entitlement'. I hope if I'm in that situation somebody else will think likewise.

Try living in france if you are not french the first thing they want is a credit card to cover costs or proof of insurance"

Not true for emergencies

And if you live in France legitimately, then you will be signed up to one of the schemes, with a social security number, either via a reciprocal agreement with your " home" government, or via your work registration, or via social security contributions individually if you are self employed or " inactif "

If you choose to live "off grid," then it's up to you to sort it out.

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over a year ago

"I don't think anyone is or would object to the principle of ensuring that people who are not entitled to any service don't benefit from it.

The concerns raised are that the system implemented must not exclude any who are entitled.

To be honest if somebody turns up in hospital in need of help I don't give a fuck about their 'entitlement'. I hope if I'm in that situation somebody else will think likewise.

Try living in france if you are not french the first thing they want is a credit card to cover costs or proof of insurance"

Not true for emergencies

If you choose to live "off grid," then it's up to you to sort it out."

Seems fair.

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