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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Im not happy im on a 3 hour train ride with my 2 unda 2s i have paid the same amount as evry1 on the train yet i have to leave my childrn in ther double bugie and sit on floor next to the entrnc exit door and move evrytime sum1 gets of n on train, hows this fair, ? Nt t mentn my ass is numb, mr richard branson sort your trains get a place with buggie space on your trains

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Many years ago all buggies & prams had to be put in the guards van and you sat with the kids on your knee or bought a ticket for them, not easy when travelling with a toddler and a new baby. Don't seem to have changed much over 25 years it seems. xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i used to do the train ride from hull to lowestoft and back evey summer hoils with my kids .they hated it been so busy never get a seat .all way stuck in the door ways .dont have do it no more

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Many years ago all buggies & prams had to be put in the guards van and you sat with the kids on your knee or bought a ticket for them, not easy when travelling with a toddler and a new baby. Don't seem to have changed much over 25 years it seems. xxx"

It must have been hell in the days before buggies. Those big Silver Cross type prams didn't fold down at all

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

Peak time Fridays coming out of London, I have had to sit on many a train floor or stand next to the emergency exit until at least Luton... even with a £145 ticket.... and I don't have rugrats!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Many years ago all buggies & prams had to be put in the guards van and you sat with the kids on your knee or bought a ticket for them, not easy when travelling with a toddler and a new baby. Don't seem to have changed much over 25 years it seems. xxx

It must have been hell in the days before buggies. Those big Silver Cross type prams didn't fold down at all "

That rolling eyes smiley crept in uninvited. Sorry.

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville


"Im not happy im on a 3 hour train ride with my 2 unda 2s i have paid the same amount as evry1 on the train yet i have to leave my childrn in ther double bugie and sit on floor next to the entrnc exit door and move evrytime sum1 gets of n on train, hows this fair, ? Nt t mentn my ass is numb, mr richard branson sort your trains get a place with buggie space on your trains"
why dont ya do the old fashioned thing and fold the buggy up and have said kiddiwinks sat next to you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is the age.....

of the train

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So because you're a single parent you think you're entitled to have what the rest of us don't?!! You try getting out of London on a Friday: you count yourself lucky to get on the train even with a first class ticket!

I find parents that pack the buses and trains during rush hour with buggies selfish, especially when they bump you. How hard is it to fold the damn things down and allow "the public" to travel as best they can on public transport!

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By *he tactile technicianMan
over a year ago

the good lands, the bad lands, the any where you may want me lands

Hahahahahahehehhehahaha! you should try and leave London on a train bound foranywhere from about four thirty onwards mid week, it doesn't matter what you have paid, welcome to cattle class! moo moo moo moo moo moo

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

Learn to drive then you will always have a seat

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By *he tactile technicianMan
over a year ago

the good lands, the bad lands, the any where you may want me lands


"Learn to drive then you will

You prepared to give me some lessons evesham gal??? Well? are you??? always have a seat "

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I would happly of folded the bugie down and have them sat down but as i was told that this is not aloud due t health n safty dnt get why thou, try getn aroud 4 1day with 2 kids buses provide for bugies, and i can drive just cnt aford to lol

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By *irtyGirlWoman
over a year ago

Edinburgh

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By *irtyGirlWoman
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"Im not happy im on a 3 hour train ride with my 2 unda 2s i have paid the same amount as evry1 on the train yet i have to leave my childrn in ther double bugie and sit on floor next to the entrnc exit door and move evrytime sum1 gets of n on train, hows this fair, ? Nt t mentn my ass is numb, mr richard branson sort your trains get a place with buggie space on your trains"

I'm confused... what does that have to do with being a single parent? Surely any parent would find themselves in the same boat if they were travelling with their kids? The title is confusing.

And if you paid the same as everyone else why didn't you reserve seats for you and your kids? They had a seat, in the buggy so really are you just complaining that you didn't?

I'm very confused. The last twice I've been to London the carriages I travelled in both had spaces at the end for buggies/prams/wheelchairs, as they do on buses so I'm thinking you either need to get there earlier to get a seat or reserve a seat... seems logical and in fact nothing to do with being a single parent.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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"Im not happy im on a 3 hour train ride with my 2 unda 2s i have paid the same amount as evry1 on the train yet i have to leave my childrn in ther double bugie and sit on floor next to the entrnc exit door and move evrytime sum1 gets of n on train, hows this fair, ? Nt t mentn my ass is numb, mr richard branson sort your trains get a place with buggie space on your trains"

I'm confused... what does that have to do with being a single parent? Surely any parent would find themselves in the same boat if they were travelling with their kids? The title is confusing.

And if you paid the same as everyone else why didn't you reserve seats for you and your kids? They had a seat, in the buggy so really are you just complaining that you didn't?

I'm very confused. The last twice I've been to London the carriages I travelled in both had spaces at the end for buggies/prams/wheelchairs, as they do on buses so I'm thinking you either need to get there earlier to get a seat or reserve a seat... seems logical and in fact nothing to do with being a single parent.

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Indeed!

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By *ruitWoman
over a year ago

near kings lynn

For a start everyone is entitled to travel on na train wether they have kids or not and everyone should be able to get a seat but then we all know that.

I will always give up my seat to someone elderly or disabled or to a parent with young kids. I can stand perfectly well if I have to but travelling with young kids isnt easy. If your not a parent then see it as selfish if you wish but try it and see how hard it is.

I work with young kids for a living and have travelled with them alot over the years. I do always avoid the busy commuter times as this adds to the stress of travel for everyone.

Travelling with a baby and a child is very hard and the safest place is probably in the pushchair,standing up holding kids safely isnt good.

Does annoy me when people who dont have kids find it annoying for those of us who do have kids. Your parents had you but they didnt deserve to be given a hard time(not saying anyone is)but the slightest bit of critism against parents travelling with kids gets my back up.

Pushing a puschair with bags and extras to carry isnt easy, give some parents a break I say. But always avoid comuter times tho, for everyones sanity if possible.

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester


"For a start everyone is entitled to travel on na train ...."

Not true.

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By *irtyGirlWoman
over a year ago

Edinburgh

The topic isn't about someone else giving up their seat for a parent with small kids though is it? Or did I miss that bit.

I would, without a doubt, give up my seat on any form of transport for someone less able than myself. That's about having some manners and a little compassion.

I don't consider it selfish for anyone to want a seat on a train having paid for a ticket. I suspect that's pretty much what we all expect, whether parents or not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"For a start everyone is entitled to travel on na train wether they have kids or not and everyone should be able to get a seat but then we all know that.

I will always give up my seat to someone elderly or disabled or to a parent with young kids. I can stand perfectly well if I have to but travelling with young kids isnt easy. If your not a parent then see it as selfish if you wish but try it and see how hard it is.

I work with young kids for a living and have travelled with them alot over the years. I do always avoid the busy commuter times as this adds to the stress of travel for everyone.

Travelling with a baby and a child is very hard and the safest place is probably in the pushchair,standing up holding kids safely isnt good.

Does annoy me when people who dont have kids find it annoying for those of us who do have kids. Your parents had you but they didnt deserve to be given a hard time(not saying anyone is)but the slightest bit of critism against parents travelling with kids gets my back up.

Pushing a puschair with bags and extras to carry isnt easy, give some parents a break I say. But always avoid comuter times tho, for everyones sanity if possible.

"

I'm a parent, and I have travelled with my children on public transport. However, I realise that they are MY children and don't expect other people to accommodate me just because I'm travelling with children.

It annoys me when selfish parents don't fold their buggies, and have countless bags hanging off them which hit you when they push it through pack buses.

As with most things what other people do is not my concern until it inpacts on me or I have to listen to them whining like the woman the other day who with her hoardes of kids was annoyed people who'd been queuing for ages didn't automatically let her on first.

Why the sense of entitlement?!!

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

i couple of thing here... just as well i saw this before i went to work....

1) prams and buggies have to be folded on the train... health and safety... they have done experiments on the train before with buggies and they have been known to topple over if there is a big jolt from side to side...

if that were to happen then people would still be complaining...

2)the wheelchair space on the train, where people like to put there prams and buggies, has to be kept free for w/chair users under the DDA (disability discrimination act)... i have heard of a lot of stories, where people have refused to remove prams and buggies for w/chair paxs before.... and fights have broken out...

3) children under five go free on the railways, the previso to that is that they on trains where it is full, they are not taking up the seat of a fare paying passenger... i think that is fair......

if the train isn't full... children get seats....

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By *ruitWoman
over a year ago

near kings lynn

Sassy your right. No-one is entitled that isnt what I am saying at all. In my work I have often had a bad for each child I have plus my own bag and it is hard to carry all that. I have also a backpack that I put as much in there to avoid carrying stuff on the handles but sometimes we have to do it as there is more that is necessary possible to stuff under the pushchair.

I dont expect to be given a seat when travelling with kids but as a parent if I see a parent struggling with travelling I will help if I can in anyway as I know how hard it is to travel with kids.

Folding buggies-yes of course. Yes it makes sence to fold them away on trains for example. But tell me how easy is it to do with the bags stuffed under the pushchair and baby in arms along with baby bag and handbag and then to have to fold the pushchair one handed all while holding a baby and maybe watching a young child too. It isnt easy and as a mum with a career in child care I will always try help and not just tut at the parent and assume they feel entitled to anything.

Some people may assume that they are tentitled for people to give up their seats for the kids she has but I will give up my seat out of thoughtfulness not because i should or feel I have to.

Entitlement no. Thoughtfulness deffinately.

Anyone want to suggest that there are seperate aeroplanes for adults that dont want to hear crying kids? lol.

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By *he tactile technicianMan
over a year ago

the good lands, the bad lands, the any where you may want me lands


"i couple of thing here... just as well i saw this before i went to work....

1) prams and buggies have to be folded on the train... health and safety... they have done experiments on the train before with buggies and they have been known to topple over if there is a big jolt from side to side...

if that were to happen then people would still be complaining...

2)the wheelchair space on the train, where people like to put there prams and buggies, has to be kept free for w/chair users under the DDA (disability discrimination act)... i have heard of a lot of stories, where people have refused to remove prams and buggies for w/chair paxs before.... and fights have broken out...

3) children under five go free on the railways, the previso to that is that they on trains where it is full, they are not taking up the seat of a fare paying passenger... i think that is fair......

if the train isn't full... children get seats....

"

The Disability Discrimination Act won't actually cover the trains completely until 2020, it is the Rail Vehicle Accessibility Regulations that came into force in 2010 that stipulated that all rail vehicles should have space for use by wheelchair users. It is necessary that those spaces be kept clear, but there is no statute in place yet that insists that it has to be. I think both disabled passengers and parents travelling with young children in buggies have to support one another with this. All we can be assured of, is that the overcrowding on trains is going to continue to increase and the traffic on our roads along with it, we all have to find ways to live together in as much harmony as possible and be tolerent of our fellow travellers...easy said than done when you have purchased a fulll fare ticket for many hundreds of pounds and you find yourself crammed up against the armpit of another rail passenger

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

excuse my ignorance here but if there is no one occupying that space (meaning no wheelchair user is on the train) then why cant it be used for a double buggy? Im sure if a wheelchair user was to board the train then the parent would indeed move...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Some people may assume that they are tentitled for people to give up their seats for the kids she has but I will give up my seat out of thoughtfulness not because i should or feel I have to.

Entitlement no. Thoughtfulness deffinately."

That I agree with. I have given up my seat to the elderly and to parents with young children, because I've wanted to. It's the sense of entitlement that prevails around some parents that annoys me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"excuse my ignorance here but if there is no one occupying that space (meaning no wheelchair user is on the train) then why cant it be used for a double buggy? Im sure if a wheelchair user was to board the train then the parent would indeed move..."

You'd think so wouldn't you...some wont, it's that sense of entitlement I mention. I've been on a bus during rush hour where the driver has asked the parent's to fold down the buggy to enable other people to get on. In addition there have been two other buggies on the bus and to have one in the aisle will block other users.

I've lost count of the time these mother's have point blank refused to fold the buggy, even when the driver has turned off his engine and said he's not moving until they do.

It's only when they've been threatened to be thrown off by other passenger's have they relented...with bad grace.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

and buggys etc can be the difference to getting off a bus/train during an emergency....... resulting in life or death.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

as most of you are aware i do have a little one, id do anything to try and be considerate that not all people are parents. Id certainly fold away a buggy. My choice to have a child at the end of the day my choice to use public transport and id never inconvenience others if it couldn't be helped.

Ive been there and cursed families with children before my bubba came along, so know how rude & selfish some parents can be.

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By *ruitWoman
over a year ago

near kings lynn


"and buggys etc can be the difference to getting off a bus/train during an emergency....... resulting in life or death."

your right so can diabled people,those with any mental illness young and old people and those that just panic in an emergency... everyone can get in the way. Suitcases get in the way too.....

Anything that stops you getting out pretty fast is an abstacle

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By *eighleedsMan
over a year ago

leeds

The OP should look atthe terms and conditition of national rail travel, whic applies to all rail travel in teh UK regardless of teh train company involved:

'Seats in some trains can be reserved before you travel and you may have to pay a fee.

Unless you have a seat reservation, the Train Companies do not guarantee to provide a seat for your journey.

You must have a valid ticket for your journey before reserving a seat.

This ticket allows you to reserve no more than one seat per person for each part of your

journey.'

which basically means having a ticket does not entitle you to a seat unless you have reserved one,

this applies to everyone, single parent or not.

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By *ruitWoman
over a year ago

near kings lynn


"The OP should look atthe terms and conditition of national rail travel, whic applies to all rail travel in teh UK regardless of teh train company involved:

'Seats in some trains can be reserved before you travel and you may have to pay a fee.

Unless you have a seat reservation, the Train Companies do not guarantee to provide a seat for your journey.

You must have a valid ticket for your journey before reserving a seat.

This ticket allows you to reserve no more than one seat per person for each part of your

journey.'

which basically means having a ticket does not entitle you to a seat unless you have reserved one,

this applies to everyone, single parent or not."

I am sure your right but he was just fed up that he had to do it and isnt looking to put in a complaint to the rail network but just to have a grumble to say he is fed up. Travelling with kids that age isnt easy alone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" .........Travelling with kids that age isnt easy alone."

I'd agree but it IS about choice.

A choice whether to have that child/ children in the first place.

A choice whether to travel with that child.

A choice whether to travel with that child by that particular mode of transport at that particular time.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"

I am sure your right but he was just fed up that he had to do it and isnt looking to put in a complaint to the rail network but just to have a grumble to say he is fed up. Travelling with kids that age isnt easy alone."

the thing is... I am the person on the other end of that phone call when we do get the complaint....

it is not easy travelling with kids, no one is saying it is.. but there are ways that is can be made easier...

we will help people with prams where we can.... we will help fold it and store it if we can.... but if they pram was to topple over with a kid in it.. who would they blame...

so in ways you are damned if you do, and damned if you don't which is why they applied the DDA act early where they can to give a uniformed definative response....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" .........Travelling with kids that age isnt easy alone.

I'd agree but it IS about choice.

A choice whether to have that child/ children in the first place.

A choice whether to travel with that child.

A choice whether to travel with that child by that particular mode of transport at that particular time. "

Shall we have children darling. That would be nice. Oh hang on wait a minute. The transport system is lousy. Imagine paying a train fair with two toddlers - lets not have children. Ok hunnie good choice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

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so in ways you are damned if you do, and damned if you don't which is why they applied the DDA act early where they can to give a uniformed definative response...."

Surely the problem with the DDA is that it WASN'T applied early. It started in the mid-90s and organisations had till the c 2004 to do the neccessary stuff but they got themselves into a mindset where they had 10 years to comply - so it never actually got done.

Anyway, hasn't most of the DDA been replaced by the Equality Act 2010?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" .........Travelling with kids that age isnt easy alone.

I'd agree but it IS about choice.

A choice whether to have that child/ children in the first place.

A choice whether to travel with that child.

A choice whether to travel with that child by that particular mode of transport at that particular time.

Shall we have children darling. That would be nice. Oh hang on wait a minute. The transport system is lousy. Imagine paying a train fair with two toddlers - lets not have children. Ok hunnie good choice."

People chose to have, or not to have, children for lots of different reasons. Some of those reasons will be financial - others will be about lifestyle.

Being able to afford to take them on train journeys might be a financial choice. Being burdened, or not, with kids on any kind of journey to anywhere at any time is a lifestyle choice.

Is the (public) transport system lousy? I don't find it so. I use buses most days, local trains and the Glasgow Subway several times a week and ferries or planes several times a year.

There are occasions when the system is busy, times when it's crowded but I manage to organise my travel plans to avoid those times as much as possible - again, it's about choices.

At the risk of antagonising yet more Fabsters, I'd suggest that people travelling with animals (particularly uncaged dogs) cause more trouble that people with kids. That's to say it's the animals cause the bother.

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"and buggys etc can be the difference to getting off a bus/train during an emergency....... resulting in life or death.

your right so can diabled people,those with any mental illness young and old people and those that just panic in an emergency... everyone can get in the way. Suitcases get in the way too.....

Anything that stops you getting out pretty fast is an abstacle"

Yes very true... But would rather try and get the humans out rather than struggle round buggies and cases... They should be stored away keeping aisles free.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *andy muncherMan
over a year ago

Nottingham


" .........Travelling with kids that age isnt easy alone.

I'd agree but it IS about choice.

A choice whether to have that child/ children in the first place.

A choice whether to travel with that child.

A choice whether to travel with that child by that particular mode of transport at that particular time.

Shall we have children darling. That would be nice. Oh hang on wait a minute. The transport system is lousy. Imagine paying a train fair with two toddlers - lets not have children. Ok hunnie good choice."

nods in agreement some peeps havent got a clue

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" .........Travelling with kids that age isnt easy alone.

I'd agree but it IS about choice.

A choice whether to have that child/ children in the first place.

A choice whether to travel with that child.

A choice whether to travel with that child by that particular mode of transport at that particular time.

Shall we have children darling. That would be nice. Oh hang on wait a minute. The transport system is lousy. Imagine paying a train fair with two toddlers - lets not have children. Ok hunnie good choice.

nods in agreement some peeps havent got a clue "

In agreement with whom?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" .........Travelling with kids that age isnt easy alone.

I'd agree but it IS about choice.

A choice whether to have that child/ children in the first place.

A choice whether to travel with that child.

A choice whether to travel with that child by that particular mode of transport at that particular time.

Shall we have children darling. That would be nice. Oh hang on wait a minute. The transport system is lousy. Imagine paying a train fair with two toddlers - lets not have children. Ok hunnie good choice.

People chose to have, or not to have, children for lots of different reasons. Some of those reasons will be financial - others will be about lifestyle.

Being able to afford to take them on train journeys might be a financial choice. Being burdened, or not, with kids on any kind of journey to anywhere at any time is a lifestyle choice.

Is the (public) transport system lousy? I don't find it so. I use buses most days, local trains and the Glasgow Subway several times a week and ferries or planes several times a year.

There are occasions when the system is busy, times when it's crowded but I manage to organise my travel plans to avoid those times as much as possible - again, it's about choices.

At the risk of antagonising yet more Fabsters, I'd suggest that people travelling with animals (particularly uncaged dogs) cause more trouble that people with kids. That's to say it's the animals cause the bother."

Oh come on. We know the pitfalls of life and the pros and cons of all things we choose to do. This young mum was lamenting about the fact she found it difficult with her wee ones on the trian and was letting off steam (pardon the pun).

My tongue in cheek reply was the heavy handedness of your post about having children in the first place if youre gonna encounter problems. Nobody has children and thinks its going to be a bed of roses but if you cant say omg they're driving me crazy or a situation is driving you crazy like the train experience and the only answer is 'well you chose to have them in the first place' well thats just silly in my _iew.

Im sure the incident is forgotten and OP is having a lovely time with the children she chose to have and in future will know what to expect when travelling and will take some of the practical advice given, on board. She can't shove them back from where they came from. She loves them and chose to have them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" ............

Im sure the incident is forgotten and OP is having a lovely time with the children she chose to have and in future will know what to expect when travelling and will take some of the practical advice given, on board. She can't shove them back from where they came from. She loves them and chose to have them."

The OP claims to be male.

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By *andy muncherMan
over a year ago

Nottingham


" .........Travelling with kids that age isnt easy alone.

I'd agree but it IS about choice.

A choice whether to have that child/ children in the first place.

A choice whether to travel with that child.

A choice whether to travel with that child by that particular mode of transport at that particular time.

Shall we have children darling. That would be nice. Oh hang on wait a minute. The transport system is lousy. Imagine paying a train fair with two toddlers - lets not have children. Ok hunnie good choice.

nods in agreement some peeps havent got a clue

In agreement with whom?"

as a grandparent who has been there more than once think about it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" ............

Im sure the incident is forgotten and OP is having a lovely time with the children she chose to have and in future will know what to expect when travelling and will take some of the practical advice given, on board. She can't shove them back from where they came from. She loves them and chose to have them.

The OP claims to be male."

So what - it just goes to prove I absorb the subject matter and not the writer. He cant shove his children back from where they came either. Just change the shes for he's in my responses if youre that pernickerty.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" ............

Im sure the incident is forgotten and OP is having a lovely time with the children she chose to have and in future will know what to expect when travelling and will take some of the practical advice given, on board. She can't shove them back from where they came from. She loves them and chose to have them.

The OP claims to be male.

So what - it just goes to prove I absorb the subject matter and not the writer. He cant shove his children back from where they came either. Just change the shes for he's in my responses if youre that pernickerty."

and the extra r in pernickety if you want to dismiss my geordie accent from my spelling.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville


"Im not happy im on a 3 hour train ride with my 2 unda 2s i have paid the same amount as evry1 on the train yet i have to leave my childrn in ther double bugie and sit on floor next to the entrnc exit door and move evrytime sum1 gets of n on train, hows this fair, ? Nt t mentn my ass is numb, mr richard branson sort your trains get a place with buggie space on your trains"
is branson a fabswinger then?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" .........Travelling with kids that age isnt easy alone.

I'd agree but it IS about choice.

A choice whether to have that child/ children in the first place.

A choice whether to travel with that child.

A choice whether to travel with that child by that particular mode of transport at that particular time.

Shall we have children darling. That would be nice. Oh hang on wait a minute. The transport system is lousy. Imagine paying a train fair with two toddlers - lets not have children. Ok hunnie good choice.

nods in agreement some peeps havent got a clue

In agreement with whom?

as a grandparent who has been there more than once think about it "

You've quoted two potentially opposing _iew and said you 'nod in agreement'. All i ask is that you explain which _iew you agree with.

IF additional thinking is required it may need to be done a wee bit closer to your home than to mine.

Being a grandparent isn't about being old or wise. I'm old enough to be a great-grandparent I don't consider myself old and I know nobody considers me to be particulary wise.

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over a year ago

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By *adchickCouple
over a year ago

Cyprus


"

At the risk of antagonising yet more Fabsters, I'd suggest that people travelling with animals (particularly uncaged dogs) cause more trouble that people with kids. That's to say it's the animals cause the bother."

Ooohhhh, I don't know about that.

Have you ever been on a train, in a pre-booked 'quiet' seat...... and there's 2 or 3 'little darlings' bouncing over seats and tables and mum's giving them a loving smile or saying...."Tommy, don't darling" and doing frick all about the chaos they are causing and the racket they are making.

I complained to the inspector on a train once and he told the mother to keep them under control or move to the back of the train, you should have heard her go off on one..... little 'Jimmy' could do no wrong.

Sorry, as far as I am concerned, unless you pay a full seat price for children, they should sit in their buggies and they shouldn't be allowed in the 'quiet zone'.

And before you berate me...... I've had 3 kids and travelled by train with them.

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over a year ago


"

At the risk of antagonising yet more Fabsters, I'd suggest that people travelling with animals (particularly uncaged dogs) cause more trouble that people with kids. That's to say it's the animals cause the bother.

Ooohhhh, I don't know about that.

Have you ever been on a train, in a pre-booked 'quiet' seat...... and there's 2 or 3 'little darlings' bouncing over seats and tables and mum's giving them a loving smile or saying...."Tommy, don't darling" and doing frick all about the chaos they are causing and the racket they are making.

I complained to the inspector on a train once and he told the mother to keep them under control or move to the back of the train, you should have heard her go off on one..... little 'Jimmy' could do no wrong.

Sorry, as far as I am concerned, unless you pay a full seat price for children, they should sit in their buggies and they shouldn't be allowed in the 'quiet zone'.

And before you berate me...... I've had 3 kids and travelled by train with them."

Off topic: but the part of mother's smiling at their "little darling's" reminded me of an incident last Friday.

It was the funeral of my 93 year old uncle. I went with my sister and her three year old son. I was surprised to see him in the car as (a) I didn't think it was appropriate; and (b) I knew he would play up.

He was an angel until the coffin came in, when he piped up, "what's in the box mummy?" She just looked at him and smiled while other family members looked and rolled their eyes.

My sister sang at the funeral and left my nephew with me. While my sister was singing he was clapping and saying "well done mummy, good girl!" All my shushing was ignored, I got the evils and my sister beamed!

What nearly caused the family to ask her to take him out, but she took him out herself, was when the vicar asked us to bow our heads in silent prayer in the silence my nephew started to sing: "wind your bobbins up!"

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By *ruitWoman
over a year ago

near kings lynn

O that is good, kids always say the wrong thing when you dont want them too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

At the risk of antagonising yet more Fabsters, I'd suggest that people travelling with animals (particularly uncaged dogs) cause more trouble that people with kids. That's to say it's the animals cause the bother.

Ooohhhh, I don't know about that.

Have you ever been on a train, in a pre-booked 'quiet' seat...... and there's 2 or 3 'little darlings' bouncing over seats and tables and mum's giving them a loving smile or saying...."Tommy, don't darling" and doing frick all about the chaos they are causing and the racket they are making.

I complained to the inspector on a train once and he told the mother to keep them under control or move to the back of the train, you should have heard her go off on one..... little 'Jimmy' could do no wrong.

Sorry, as far as I am concerned, unless you pay a full seat price for children, they should sit in their buggies and they shouldn't be allowed in the 'quiet zone'.

And before you berate me...... I've had 3 kids and travelled by train with them.

Off topic: but the part of mother's smiling at their "little darling's" reminded me of an incident last Friday.

It was the funeral of my 93 year old uncle. I went with my sister and her three year old son. I was surprised to see him in the car as (a) I didn't think it was appropriate; and (b) I knew he would play up.

He was an angel until the coffin came in, when he piped up, "what's in the box mummy?" She just looked at him and smiled while other family members looked and rolled their eyes.

My sister sang at the funeral and left my nephew with me. While my sister was singing he was clapping and saying "well done mummy, good girl!" All my shushing was ignored, I got the evils and my sister beamed!

What nearly caused the family to ask her to take him out, but she took him out herself, was when the vicar asked us to bow our heads in silent prayer in the silence my nephew started to sing: "wind your bobbins up!" "

Bet your uncle would have had a laugh - we were all three once. Great he got another ninety to add to it.

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