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"Is it wrong -sexualising children - or is it just keep fit. I have to say I feel uneasy. It does seem to be putting children into a sexual context. If this were a man running them the police would have stepped in by now." Not a comfortable feeling at all The world is going made...... What next......... Geordie Shore - the junior years | |||
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Personally I'm sitting on the fence about it. | |||
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"Is it wrong -sexualising children - or is it just keep fit. I have to say I feel uneasy. It does seem to be putting children into a sexual context. If this were a man running them the police would have stepped in by now." No need for it. It is weird. No need to introduce kids to that sort of stuff. | |||
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"Pole dancing is actually a pretty normal kind of exercise/dance these days. Lots of women do it as exercise with no intention of taking their clothes off. These girls aren't going to be doing stripper type sexualized moves on it!" I have a few friends that do pole and it is definitely about exercise rather than anything overtly sexual. Still not sure it's something that kids so young should do | |||
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That sort of sexual stereotype belongs on this morning.
People that pole and not dance are serious gymnasts 
Take away the pole and replace with a hoop or silks and they're performers/ aerialists | |||
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"What happened to skipping ropes to keep kids fit and active How things change " Yeah whatever happened to running away from police officers to keep fit | |||
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"For children I feel they could be learning all sports fundamental movements through forms of gymnastics of they then feel they want to do like fitness as an adult then go for it. However whilst it is not a recognised sport and with where it has originated not for children in my eyes. " It actually is now a recognised sport | |||
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"Oh ffs ! It's not all strippers and high heels
That sort of sexual stereotype belongs on this morning.
People that pole and not dance are serious gymnasts
Take away the pole and replace with a hoop or silks and they're performers/ aerialists "Never seen hoops or silks in pole dancing clubs | |||
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"Just out of interest, how many of the people being negative about it also wouldn't want their kid doing mixed martial arts (MMA)? If you wouldn't let them do poledancing but would let them do MMA then you're still cool. If you say no to both then your just an old fuddy duddy..." MMA no. A single martial art, yes. | |||
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"Just out of interest, how many of the people being negative about it also wouldn't want their kid doing mixed martial arts (MMA)? If you wouldn't let them do poledancing but would let them do MMA then you're still cool. If you say no to both then your just an old fuddy duddy... MMA no. A single martial art, yes." Why so? | |||
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"Just out of interest, how many of the people being negative about it also wouldn't want their kid doing mixed martial arts (MMA)? If you wouldn't let them do poledancing but would let them do MMA then you're still cool. If you say no to both then your just an old fuddy duddy..." What is the link. Don't understand? | |||
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"Just out of interest, how many of the people being negative about it also wouldn't want their kid doing mixed martial arts (MMA)? If you wouldn't let them do poledancing but would let them do MMA then you're still cool. If you say no to both then your just an old fuddy duddy... MMA no. A single martial art, yes. Why so? " Because a martial is about a hell of a lot more than beating the shit out of someone. | |||
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"Oh ffs ! It's not all strippers and high heels
That sort of sexual stereotype belongs on this morning.
People that pole and not dance are serious gymnasts
Take away the pole and replace with a hoop or silks and they're performers/ aerialists "I'm with you. The kids pole fitness class around here they're all in joggers and a tshirt. It requires a lot of strength and isn't an easy thing to learn, they do it as an extension of the gymnastics. | |||
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"Just out of interest, how many of the people being negative about it also wouldn't want their kid doing mixed martial arts (MMA)? If you wouldn't let them do poledancing but would let them do MMA then you're still cool. If you say no to both then your just an old fuddy duddy... What is the link. Don't understand?" Both are relatively new, therefore unconventional, ways for girls to keep fit | |||
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"Just out of interest, how many of the people being negative about it also wouldn't want their kid doing mixed martial arts (MMA)? If you wouldn't let them do poledancing but would let them do MMA then you're still cool. If you say no to both then your just an old fuddy duddy... MMA no. A single martial art, yes. Why so? Because a martial is about a hell of a lot more than beating the shit out of someone." I'd argue that so is MMA | |||
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"Just out of interest, how many of the people being negative about it also wouldn't want their kid doing mixed martial arts (MMA)? If you wouldn't let them do poledancing but would let them do MMA then you're still cool. If you say no to both then your just an old fuddy duddy... MMA no. A single martial art, yes. Why so? Because a martial is about a hell of a lot more than beating the shit out of someone. I'd argue that so is MMA " Go on... | |||
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"Oh ffs ! It's not all strippers and high heels
That sort of sexual stereotype belongs on this morning.
People that pole and not dance are serious gymnasts
Take away the pole and replace with a hoop or silks and they're performers/ aerialists
I'm with you. The kids pole fitness class around here they're all in joggers and a tshirt. It requires a lot of strength and isn't an easy thing to learn, they do it as an extension of the gymnastics. "Tbh having seen a lot of the bruising and potential for burns etc. Being covered is the better way to go..... but a lot of the more demanding moves require the friction to maintain the grip and pose  | |||
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"Just out of interest, how many of the people being negative about it also wouldn't want their kid doing mixed martial arts (MMA)? If you wouldn't let them do poledancing but would let them do MMA then you're still cool. If you say no to both then your just an old fuddy duddy... MMA no. A single martial art, yes. Why so? Because a martial is about a hell of a lot more than beating the shit out of someone. I'd argue that so is MMA Go on..." I need to stop hijacking threads so much! MMA used to be shock value entertainment which is where it gets a bad reputation from. Look at it today and it's nothing like UFC. The main reason I introduced it is that Ronda Rousey is quite possibly the coolest athlete on the planet and it makes a change for girls to have a role model that isn't a personality-devoid tennis or golf star. | |||
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"Just out of interest, how many of the people being negative about it also wouldn't want their kid doing mixed martial arts (MMA)? If you wouldn't let them do poledancing but would let them do MMA then you're still cool. If you say no to both then your just an old fuddy duddy... MMA no. A single martial art, yes. Why so? Because a martial is about a hell of a lot more than beating the shit out of someone. I'd argue that so is MMA Go on... I need to stop hijacking threads so much! MMA used to be shock value entertainment which is where it gets a bad reputation from. Look at it today and it's nothing like UFC. The main reason I introduced it is that Ronda Rousey is quite possibly the coolest athlete on the planet and it makes a change for girls to have a role model that isn't a personality-devoid tennis or golf star." So... What does it teach, apart from beating the shit out of someone? | |||
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"My near 8-year-olds daughter does a martial art (TKD) and loves it. I can't see how that compares with doing "cowgirls" whilst dressed in hot pants and cropped school shirts , as these 8-year-olds were "You're description of their dress conflicts with what other people on the thread are saying... | |||
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"Just out of interest, how many of the people being negative about it also wouldn't want their kid doing mixed martial arts (MMA)? If you wouldn't let them do poledancing but would let them do MMA then you're still cool. If you say no to both then your just an old fuddy duddy... MMA no. A single martial art, yes. Why so? Because a martial is about a hell of a lot more than beating the shit out of someone. I'd argue that so is MMA Go on... I need to stop hijacking threads so much! MMA used to be shock value entertainment which is where it gets a bad reputation from. Look at it today and it's nothing like UFC. The main reason I introduced it is that Ronda Rousey is quite possibly the coolest athlete on the planet and it makes a change for girls to have a role model that isn't a personality-devoid tennis or golf star. So... What does it teach, apart from beating the shit out of someone?" All the best fighters heavily utilise Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. I've never heard anyone compare BJJ to beating the shit out of someone. I presume you know that already but are being facetious. | |||
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"Just out of interest, how many of the people being negative about it also wouldn't want their kid doing mixed martial arts (MMA)? If you wouldn't let them do poledancing but would let them do MMA then you're still cool. If you say no to both then your just an old fuddy duddy... MMA no. A single martial art, yes. Why so? Because a martial is about a hell of a lot more than beating the shit out of someone. I'd argue that so is MMA Go on... I need to stop hijacking threads so much! MMA used to be shock value entertainment which is where it gets a bad reputation from. Look at it today and it's nothing like UFC. The main reason I introduced it is that Ronda Rousey is quite possibly the coolest athlete on the planet and it makes a change for girls to have a role model that isn't a personality-devoid tennis or golf star. So... What does it teach, apart from beating the shit out of someone? All the best fighters heavily utilise Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. I've never heard anyone compare BJJ to beating the shit out of someone. I presume you know that already but are being facetious. " Does MMA teach patience, respect for fellow man, discipline more patience, healthy diet, that the most important part of self defence is getting away before it even starts? I've been to my fair share of MMA bouts and I've seen no character traits I'd want a child to learn. There's a hell of a lot more respect in standard boxing even than MMA. | |||
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"My near 8-year-olds daughter does a martial art (TKD) and loves it. I can't see how that compares with doing "cowgirls" whilst dressed in hot pants and cropped school shirts , as these 8-year-olds were
You're description of their dress conflicts with what other people on the thread are saying... "The reason that this is a current concern is because of a viral video of 8-year-olds doing "pole fitness" dressed exactly as I described. The video is easily searchable. | |||
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"My near 8-year-olds daughter does a martial art (TKD) and loves it. I can't see how that compares with doing "cowgirls" whilst dressed in hot pants and cropped school shirts , as these 8-year-olds were
You're description of their dress conflicts with what other people on the thread are saying...
The reason that this is a current concern is because of a viral video of 8-year-olds doing "pole fitness" dressed exactly as I described. The video is easily searchable.
"Then to clarify: no I wouldn't dress an 8 year girl as a fudging cowgirl to dance on a pole. If she wanted to do it as fitness in a non-sexualised context (i.e dressed sensibly) then it wouldn't bother me. They have the classes at our gym, for adults, and none of them dress any different to the rest of us on the weights. | |||
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"Just out of interest, how many of the people being negative about it also wouldn't want their kid doing mixed martial arts (MMA)? If you wouldn't let them do poledancing but would let them do MMA then you're still cool. If you say no to both then your just an old fuddy duddy... MMA no. A single martial art, yes. Why so? Because a martial is about a hell of a lot more than beating the shit out of someone. I'd argue that so is MMA Go on... I need to stop hijacking threads so much! MMA used to be shock value entertainment which is where it gets a bad reputation from. Look at it today and it's nothing like UFC. The main reason I introduced it is that Ronda Rousey is quite possibly the coolest athlete on the planet and it makes a change for girls to have a role model that isn't a personality-devoid tennis or golf star. So... What does it teach, apart from beating the shit out of someone? All the best fighters heavily utilise Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. I've never heard anyone compare BJJ to beating the shit out of someone. I presume you know that already but are being facetious. Does MMA teach patience, respect for fellow man, discipline more patience, healthy diet, that the most important part of self defence is getting away before it even starts? I've been to my fair share of MMA bouts and I've seen no character traits I'd want a child to learn. There's a hell of a lot more respect in standard boxing even than MMA." We have different experiences then. It's basically impossible to be in the physical condition Ronda Rousey is in, or other top fighters, without doing those things. I can't talk for the local shows you might attend and I can believe some of them are full of people I wouldn't consider athletes, I just watch UFC... | |||
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"Just out of interest, how many of the people being negative about it also wouldn't want their kid doing mixed martial arts (MMA)? If you wouldn't let them do poledancing but would let them do MMA then you're still cool. If you say no to both then your just an old fuddy duddy... MMA no. A single martial art, yes. Why so? Because a martial is about a hell of a lot more than beating the shit out of someone. I'd argue that so is MMA Go on... I need to stop hijacking threads so much! MMA used to be shock value entertainment which is where it gets a bad reputation from. Look at it today and it's nothing like UFC. The main reason I introduced it is that Ronda Rousey is quite possibly the coolest athlete on the planet and it makes a change for girls to have a role model that isn't a personality-devoid tennis or golf star." So what is wrong with Susie Wolf or Leena Gade? | |||
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"Just out of interest, how many of the people being negative about it also wouldn't want their kid doing mixed martial arts (MMA)? If you wouldn't let them do poledancing but would let them do MMA then you're still cool. If you say no to both then your just an old fuddy duddy... MMA no. A single martial art, yes. Why so? Because a martial is about a hell of a lot more than beating the shit out of someone. I'd argue that so is MMA Go on... I need to stop hijacking threads so much! MMA used to be shock value entertainment which is where it gets a bad reputation from. Look at it today and it's nothing like UFC. The main reason I introduced it is that Ronda Rousey is quite possibly the coolest athlete on the planet and it makes a change for girls to have a role model that isn't a personality-devoid tennis or golf star.So what is wrong with Susie Wolf or Leena Gade?" Dunno I've never heard of them. Have they been in many hollywood blockbusters since their sports careers? | |||
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"Just out of interest, how many of the people being negative about it also wouldn't want their kid doing mixed martial arts (MMA)? If you wouldn't let them do poledancing but would let them do MMA then you're still cool. If you say no to both then your just an old fuddy duddy... MMA no. A single martial art, yes. Why so? Because a martial is about a hell of a lot more than beating the shit out of someone. I'd argue that so is MMA Go on... I need to stop hijacking threads so much! MMA used to be shock value entertainment which is where it gets a bad reputation from. Look at it today and it's nothing like UFC. The main reason I introduced it is that Ronda Rousey is quite possibly the coolest athlete on the planet and it makes a change for girls to have a role model that isn't a personality-devoid tennis or golf star. So... What does it teach, apart from beating the shit out of someone? All the best fighters heavily utilise Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. I've never heard anyone compare BJJ to beating the shit out of someone. I presume you know that already but are being facetious. Does MMA teach patience, respect for fellow man, discipline more patience, healthy diet, that the most important part of self defence is getting away before it even starts? I've been to my fair share of MMA bouts and I've seen no character traits I'd want a child to learn. There's a hell of a lot more respect in standard boxing even than MMA. We have different experiences then. It's basically impossible to be in the physical condition Ronda Rousey is in, or other top fighters, without doing those things. I can't talk for the local shows you might attend and I can believe some of them are full of people I wouldn't consider athletes, I just watch UFC... " This is the problem, you believe it's all about the physical. A good martial art is at the very least 50/50 mental training. Training that can be used every day of their life. MMA is all about the physical. Which is why i wouldn't want my kids doing it. | |||
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"Just out of interest, how many of the people being negative about it also wouldn't want their kid doing mixed martial arts (MMA)? If you wouldn't let them do poledancing but would let them do MMA then you're still cool. If you say no to both then your just an old fuddy duddy... MMA no. A single martial art, yes. Why so? Because a martial is about a hell of a lot more than beating the shit out of someone. I'd argue that so is MMA Go on... I need to stop hijacking threads so much! MMA used to be shock value entertainment which is where it gets a bad reputation from. Look at it today and it's nothing like UFC. The main reason I introduced it is that Ronda Rousey is quite possibly the coolest athlete on the planet and it makes a change for girls to have a role model that isn't a personality-devoid tennis or golf star.So what is wrong with Susie Wolf or Leena Gade? Dunno I've never heard of them. Have they been in many hollywood blockbusters since their sports careers? " You're talking about the girl who was in the "Hollywood blockbuster"...."Entourage"...  | |||
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"Just out of interest, how many of the people being negative about it also wouldn't want their kid doing mixed martial arts (MMA)? If you wouldn't let them do poledancing but would let them do MMA then you're still cool. If you say no to both then your just an old fuddy duddy... MMA no. A single martial art, yes. Why so? Because a martial is about a hell of a lot more than beating the shit out of someone. I'd argue that so is MMA Go on... I need to stop hijacking threads so much! MMA used to be shock value entertainment which is where it gets a bad reputation from. Look at it today and it's nothing like UFC. The main reason I introduced it is that Ronda Rousey is quite possibly the coolest athlete on the planet and it makes a change for girls to have a role model that isn't a personality-devoid tennis or golf star. So... What does it teach, apart from beating the shit out of someone? All the best fighters heavily utilise Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. I've never heard anyone compare BJJ to beating the shit out of someone. I presume you know that already but are being facetious. Does MMA teach patience, respect for fellow man, discipline more patience, healthy diet, that the most important part of self defence is getting away before it even starts? I've been to my fair share of MMA bouts and I've seen no character traits I'd want a child to learn. There's a hell of a lot more respect in standard boxing even than MMA. We have different experiences then. It's basically impossible to be in the physical condition Ronda Rousey is in, or other top fighters, without doing those things. I can't talk for the local shows you might attend and I can believe some of them are full of people I wouldn't consider athletes, I just watch UFC... This is the problem, you believe it's all about the physical. A good martial art is at the very least 50/50 mental training. Training that can be used every day of their life. MMA is all about the physical. Which is why i wouldn't want my kids doing it. " That's a fair point of view. I definately see MMA as more practical, in the sense that a lot of "martial arts" are absolutely useless for actually combat. So I'm guessing the attraction to them is the mental aspect. | |||
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"Just out of interest, how many of the people being negative about it also wouldn't want their kid doing mixed martial arts (MMA)? If you wouldn't let them do poledancing but would let them do MMA then you're still cool. If you say no to both then your just an old fuddy duddy... MMA no. A single martial art, yes. Why so? Because a martial is about a hell of a lot more than beating the shit out of someone. I'd argue that so is MMA Go on... I need to stop hijacking threads so much! MMA used to be shock value entertainment which is where it gets a bad reputation from. Look at it today and it's nothing like UFC. The main reason I introduced it is that Ronda Rousey is quite possibly the coolest athlete on the planet and it makes a change for girls to have a role model that isn't a personality-devoid tennis or golf star.So what is wrong with Susie Wolf or Leena Gade? Dunno I've never heard of them. Have they been in many hollywood blockbusters since their sports careers? You're talking about the girl who was in the "Hollywood blockbuster"...."Entourage"... "Fast and Furious 7, the sixth highest grossing film of all time - you might have heard of it? | |||
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"Just out of interest, how many of the people being negative about it also wouldn't want their kid doing mixed martial arts (MMA)? If you wouldn't let them do poledancing but would let them do MMA then you're still cool. If you say no to both then your just an old fuddy duddy... MMA no. A single martial art, yes. Why so? Because a martial is about a hell of a lot more than beating the shit out of someone. I'd argue that so is MMA Go on... I need to stop hijacking threads so much! MMA used to be shock value entertainment which is where it gets a bad reputation from. Look at it today and it's nothing like UFC. The main reason I introduced it is that Ronda Rousey is quite possibly the coolest athlete on the planet and it makes a change for girls to have a role model that isn't a personality-devoid tennis or golf star.So what is wrong with Susie Wolf or Leena Gade? Dunno I've never heard of them. Have they been in many hollywood blockbusters since their sports careers? You're talking about the girl who was in the "Hollywood blockbuster"...."Entourage"...
Fast and Furious 7, the sixth highest grossing film of all time - you might have heard of it? "Sounds to high brow for me. | |||
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"Just out of interest, how many of the people being negative about it also wouldn't want their kid doing mixed martial arts (MMA)? If you wouldn't let them do poledancing but would let them do MMA then you're still cool. If you say no to both then your just an old fuddy duddy... MMA no. A single martial art, yes. Why so? Because a martial is about a hell of a lot more than beating the shit out of someone. I'd argue that so is MMA Go on... I need to stop hijacking threads so much! MMA used to be shock value entertainment which is where it gets a bad reputation from. Look at it today and it's nothing like UFC. The main reason I introduced it is that Ronda Rousey is quite possibly the coolest athlete on the planet and it makes a change for girls to have a role model that isn't a personality-devoid tennis or golf star.So what is wrong with Susie Wolf or Leena Gade? Dunno I've never heard of them. Have they been in many hollywood blockbusters since their sports careers? You're talking about the girl who was in the "Hollywood blockbuster"...."Entourage"...
Fast and Furious 7, the sixth highest grossing film of all time - you might have heard of it?
Sounds to high brow for me."Oh Ronda is very high brow  but that's why she's cool. If you want high brow then show 8 year old girls tennis and golf female athletes. If you want the cool factor, Ronda is your woman. | |||
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"Horizontal bar ...kids swinging ,doing splits ect ...gymnastics Vertical bar...kids swinging,doing splits ect ...sexualising kids Really??? I never realised the position of the bar made such a huge difference!! The kids are doing fitness routines not getting money from punters . What next ban gymnastics or ballet for kids as the tight leotards and the moves are inappropriate? " Exactly | |||
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"Horizontal bar ...kids swinging ,doing splits ect ...gymnastics Vertical bar...kids swinging,doing splits ect ...sexualising kids Really??? I never realised the position of the bar made such a huge difference!! The kids are doing fitness routines not getting money from punters . What next ban gymnastics or ballet for kids as the tight leotards and the moves are inappropriate? " I think it's different because the origins of gymnastics and ballet aren't in strip clubs. It's not about what they're actually wearing or how "revealing" the moves are, it's about where it's come from - which is all about sex. I know, goosestepping classes! Excellent for flexibility! It's not like they're wearing swastikas. | |||
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"It is exercise unlike playstations and other games on tablets etc, so i am very open on this one bit like gymnastics but able to perform on ones own " | |||
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"Horizontal bar ...kids swinging ,doing splits ect ...gymnastics Vertical bar...kids swinging,doing splits ect ...sexualising kids Really??? I never realised the position of the bar made such a huge difference!! The kids are doing fitness routines not getting money from punters . What next ban gymnastics or ballet for kids as the tight leotards and the moves are inappropriate? I think it's different because the origins of gymnastics and ballet aren't in strip clubs. It's not about what they're actually wearing or how "revealing" the moves are, it's about where it's come from - which is all about sex. I know, goosestepping classes! Excellent for flexibility! It's not like they're wearing swastikas. " Actually North Korea is well known for its goose stepping and nobody accuses them of being too right wing... just saying | |||
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"Horizontal bar ...kids swinging ,doing splits ect ...gymnastics Vertical bar...kids swinging,doing splits ect ...sexualising kids Really??? I never realised the position of the bar made such a huge difference!! The kids are doing fitness routines not getting money from punters . What next ban gymnastics or ballet for kids as the tight leotards and the moves are inappropriate? I think it's different because the origins of gymnastics and ballet aren't in strip clubs. It's not about what they're actually wearing or how "revealing" the moves are, it's about where it's come from - which is all about sex. I know, goosestepping classes! Excellent for flexibility! It's not like they're wearing swastikas. " Before we had rigid poles we had circus acts with "floppy" poles AKA ropes. Almost the same act! | |||
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"Horizontal bar ...kids swinging ,doing splits ect ...gymnastics Vertical bar...kids swinging,doing splits ect ...sexualising kids Really??? I never realised the position of the bar made such a huge difference!! The kids are doing fitness routines not getting money from punters . What next ban gymnastics or ballet for kids as the tight leotards and the moves are inappropriate? I think it's different because the origins of gymnastics and ballet aren't in strip clubs. It's not about what they're actually wearing or how "revealing" the moves are, it's about where it's come from - which is all about sex. I know, goosestepping classes! Excellent for flexibility! It's not like they're wearing swastikas. Before we had rigid poles we had circus acts with "floppy" poles AKA ropes. Almost the same act!" But were those circus acts exclusively female, naked or in thongs, performing in a strip club being watched by men who had paid to see it as sexual tittilation? | |||
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"The roots go back over 800 years India and the sport ..yes sport of Mallakhamb .It the went to China and in the 1920s acts using poles the in the big top were common place in the circus . It was only in 1968 that it was then taken on by adult dancers in strip clubs . So theres no seedy start to it was a sport at first and then the adults clubs put their spin to it . I certainly hope they don't start playing footy in the strip clubs as well have to ban that too !!! don't want kids running about ,kicking a ball while wearing shorts do we ." | |||
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"The roots go back over 800 years India and the sport ..yes sport of Mallakhamb .It the went to China and in the 1920s acts using poles the in the big top were common place in the circus . It was only in 1968 that it was then taken on by adult dancers in strip clubs . So theres no seedy start to it was a sport at first and then the adults clubs put their spin to it . I certainly hope they don't start playing footy in the strip clubs as well have to ban that too !!! don't want kids running about ,kicking a ball while wearing shorts do we ."So why aren't they being marketed as circus act classes then? I take your point about the origins going further back than adult clubs, but that's the first thing that leaps to people's minds as being automatically associated with that type of performing. If naked sex-football became a thing (sounds quite fun, actually) and everyone forgot the existence of normal football, then in 40 years time I'd probably balk at the idea of children playing that too. It's not the actual act or sport, it's the widespread connotations that makes it weird, in my view. | |||
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"Change the orientation of the pole and add a second pole, you then have a set of parallel bars found in high end gymnasium. The bars aren't pornographic or even remotely erotic, they're just a piece of metal tubing, it's the people who link them with adult sexual activity that have the problem, they're seeing something that isn't really there. This debate was on the Daily Mail online last week, and the overwhelming opinion was that if you see it as dirty, degrading or pornographic that's your inner-self coming out." Not sure there are many strip clubs with parallel bars and a pommel horse! | |||
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"Change the orientation of the pole and add a second pole, you then have a set of parallel bars found in high end gymnasium. The bars aren't pornographic or even remotely erotic, they're just a piece of metal tubing, it's the people who link them with adult sexual activity that have the problem, they're seeing something that isn't really there. This debate was on the Daily Mail online last week, and the overwhelming opinion was that if you see it as dirty, degrading or pornographic that's your inner-self coming out." The overwhelming view on the Daily Mail online was that? I'm very happy to be castigated by the commentators on the Daily Mail online. I'm not a pervert, it's just weird. | |||
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"Change the orientation of the pole and add a second pole, you then have a set of parallel bars found in high end gymnasium. The bars aren't pornographic or even remotely erotic, they're just a piece of metal tubing, it's the people who link them with adult sexual activity that have the problem, they're seeing something that isn't really there. This debate was on the Daily Mail online last week, and the overwhelming opinion was that if you see it as dirty, degrading or pornographic that's your inner-self coming out." The point sadly , although in essence I agree about the gymnastic attributes of the pole it is already out there established as a genre directly searchable and almost without question associated with the sex industry There already exists equal if not superior equally enjoyable and not so sexually ambiguous excercises | |||
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"Change the orientation of the pole and add a second pole, you then have a set of parallel bars found in high end gymnasium. The bars aren't pornographic or even remotely erotic, they're just a piece of metal tubing, it's the people who link them with adult sexual activity that have the problem, they're seeing something that isn't really there. This debate was on the Daily Mail online last week, and the overwhelming opinion was that if you see it as dirty, degrading or pornographic that's your inner-self coming out." Errrrr no, you can't change the orientation, it is what it is. My daughter could quite easily master pole dancing with her gymnastic skills but her club keep to the more traditional asymmetric bars.....doesn't take a genius to work out why. | |||
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"Well firstly it's marketed clearly as pole fitness . It's people dragging that to pole dancing which is not what it is . Let's get back some prospective, if it was at all sexualising kids do you think the authorities would allow it?? Do you think the gyms ect would allow it?? Would the teachers be happy to take the class??Would parents allow their children to take the class if they thought any part of the class content or the outfits worn would be at all sexual?? I'm guessing the answer to all the above is a huge no ." And not one child has any access to the internet and has not or will ever associate the two ? Just curious are boys doing this gymnastic sport with the girls ? | |||
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"Change the orientation of the pole and add a second pole, you then have a set of parallel bars found in high end gymnasium. The bars aren't pornographic or even remotely erotic, they're just a piece of metal tubing, it's the people who link them with adult sexual activity that have the problem, they're seeing something that isn't really there. This debate was on the Daily Mail online last week, and the overwhelming opinion was that if you see it as dirty, degrading or pornographic that's your inner-self coming out. Errrrr no, you can't change the orientation, it is what it is. My daughter could quite easily master pole dancing with her gymnastic skills but her club keep to the more traditional asymmetric bars.....doesn't take a genius to work out why." One reason will be that the parallel bars exercises exercise both sides o the body equally as do the other classical gymnasstic movements. | |||
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"Well firstly it's marketed clearly as pole fitness . It's people dragging that to pole dancing which is not what it is . Let's get back some prospective, if it was at all sexualising kids do you think the authorities would allow it?? Do you think the gyms ect would allow it?? Would the teachers be happy to take the class??Would parents allow their children to take the class if they thought any part of the class content or the outfits worn would be at all sexual?? I'm guessing the answer to all the above is a huge no ." Let's remember that this is only one pole dancing club teaching 8 year olds so "the authorities" wil not have got round to it yet and it is one proprietor trying to broaden her client base.....and gyms are not running pole dancing classes for 8 year olds and let's remember that we have only max three 'parents' whom we have seen putting their children forward...they may well be friends of the owner. And we do not see young girls in India pole dancing. Im not expert but all the examples of Mallakhamb for girls I have seen have been with a rope... | |||
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"Pole dancing is actually a pretty normal kind of exercise/dance these days. Lots of women do it as exercise with no intention of taking their clothes off. These girls aren't going to be doing stripper type sexualized moves on it!" Is there a way of pole dancing in a non sexual way?! | |||
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"Pole dancing is actually a pretty normal kind of exercise/dance these days. Lots of women do it as exercise with no intention of taking their clothes off. These girls aren't going to be doing stripper type sexualized moves on it! Is there a way of pole dancing in a non sexual way?!" Yes there is. It's done in a controlled , recognised, gymnastic athletic non sexual way. Not surprised that men doing pikes and splits aren't commented on but women and girls are looked up on in an entirely different light. Strong female does gymnastic moves = perverts focus on fanny and need protecting from it. | |||
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"Just out of interest, how many of the people being negative about it also wouldn't want their kid doing mixed martial arts (MMA)? If you wouldn't let them do poledancing but would let them do MMA then you're still cool. If you say no to both then your just an old fuddy duddy... MMA no. A single martial art, yes. Why so? Because a martial is about a hell of a lot more than beating the shit out of someone. I'd argue that so is MMA Go on... I need to stop hijacking threads so much! MMA used to be shock value entertainment which is where it gets a bad reputation from. Look at it today and it's nothing like UFC. The main reason I introduced it is that Ronda Rousey is quite possibly the coolest athlete on the planet and it makes a change for girls to have a role model that isn't a personality-devoid tennis or golf star." Not sure I'd agree with Ronda being the coolest athlete. She was overconfident prior to her bout with Holly Holm and got proper spanked. Nothing wrong with arrogance, confidence or otherwise in the sport. It's a stage that needs all sorts to generate interest. However, she has taken her first defeat badly and needs to accept defeat as much as victory. Her thoughts shouldn't have been public as it doesn't put her in a good light. Back on topic (and haven't read every comment) pole dance and pole fitness are two distinct things. If you consider the ability and agility, strength and gymnastics of either with a pole, it's quite amazing! Of course, there's the stigma of the pole and clubs and sexy dancing that I can understand why people do feel uncomfortable with children doing this. I can also appreciate comments that it is an extension of gymnastics and when you look at the ability of these children at the olympics, who are over the hill once they turn 15 & 16!!! You appreciate that the parallel bars and pole work is quite something. My rule of thumb though is if it does create discomfort, then there are other forms of dance and exercise that kids can do and perhaps they should stick to these until such a time that perception of the pole has changed and the stigma is no longer there to judge. | |||
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"Is it wrong -sexualising children - or is it just keep fit. I have to say I feel uneasy. It does seem to be putting children into a sexual context. If this were a man running them the police would have stepped in by now." I agree with you 100%,there are plenty of ways of keeping fit without sexual content and kids should enjoy childhood as long as possible. | |||
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"I remember hanging upside down from a rope and doing the splits when I was a kid. A pole would have been easier" I remember climbing trees. | |||
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"Pole dancing is actually a pretty normal kind of exercise/dance these days. Lots of women do it as exercise with no intention of taking their clothes off. These girls aren't going to be doing stripper type sexualized moves on it! Is there a way of pole dancing in a non sexual way?!" Maximus, for adults this comes under the same heading as those trendy types doing 'burlesque' or stripping classes where they spookily still remain fully dressed. They want to be slutty without being slutty. There are better, more all round gymnastic exercises for children. But by all means...if adults want to do it I have no argument with it. | |||
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"For the record. If 8 year olds were being taught sexual moves i'd object. The only ones i've seen are gymnasts. Incidentally, do footballers kick their legs up ? Can I see cock in their pants ? " Granny, I suggest you google the video of Ronaldo in training. It's very funny Google Ronaldo Training Boner in youtube to see it. | |||
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"I remember hanging upside down from a rope and doing the splits when I was a kid. A pole would have been easier I remember climbing trees. " We had big apple trees in our garden we used to hang upside down from. | |||
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"Nah, its just wrong, children should be allowed to be children, don't people realise that trying to grow their kids up too quickly can be damaging? Some things in life are for adults, end of, where as I see that pole fit classes are purely for fitness, there are safer and more age appropriate ways to keep your kids fit, and by safer I mean safer from pedophiles, this kind if thing must be their dream come true. How about swimming, walking, gymnastics, tennis, football, rugby, basket ball, athletics, cycling, street dance, there are so.many ways to keep kids active, fun ways too, let's face it, its the parents that introduce these kids to pole dancing, I can't imagine an 8 year old suddenly out if the blue asking to go pole dancing. I also think it enforces gender stereotypes. There's no doubt, that pole dancing is an art form, and its fitness benefits are far greater than sitting around doing nothing, but come on, its not for your kids, there is a reason the stopped making sweet cigarettes for instance. People will do what they want, and nothing I can say will change their minds, but me, ill carry on letting my kids grow at their own rate and develop their own personality rather than make them into some kind of mini me." | |||
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"I remember hanging upside down from a rope and doing the splits when I was a kid. A pole would have been easier" Nah rope is easier, the friction helps to keep you in place as well as giving burns! | |||
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"I remember hanging upside down from a rope and doing the splits when I was a kid. A pole would have been easier Nah rope is easier, the friction helps to keep you in place as well as giving burns! " You sound like my kind if lady | |||
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"Ok so i'll probably get slated here, but being a fellow pole 'fitness' addict and seeing for myself the effort, strength and fitness you achieve by doing it, then yes i would allow kids to do it. Pole dancing is not all about being sexy, have any of you seen the work that goes into these moves, the bruises and skin burns? Which don't look sexy in any way, shape or form!! Its a brilliant and fun way to exercise and keep fit, yes you might be in hot pants/shorts and a top but then again the skin needs to be bare in places to help you grip!! Pole fitness is only sexual if you look at it that way. I have a pole in the living room and have no objections when a friends 11 year old daughter comes and wants to play on it and neither does her mum. She enjoys it, we ARE not pushing her to get on it" And when she tells the boys at school which she will , absolutely all of them will think her boring and not one will be aware or associate it with dance clubs , because no 11 year old boys have the internet or know about strip clubs | |||
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"I see it on THIS MORNING last week. I would be ok if they dressed in legging and long tops .... Just the kids had shorts and crop tops ... I know people have a right to dress kids as they like but there are people out there who would get off on it and not look at it as fun and sport ." Theres also people out there who would also get off on peeps in leotards etc too, so it that any different? | |||
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"Ok so i'll probably get slated here, but being a fellow pole 'fitness' addict and seeing for myself the effort, strength and fitness you achieve by doing it, then yes i would allow kids to do it. Pole dancing is not all about being sexy, have any of you seen the work that goes into these moves, the bruises and skin burns? Which don't look sexy in any way, shape or form!! Its a brilliant and fun way to exercise and keep fit, yes you might be in hot pants/shorts and a top but then again the skin needs to be bare in places to help you grip!! Pole fitness is only sexual if you look at it that way. I have a pole in the living room and have no objections when a friends 11 year old daughter comes and wants to play on it and neither does her mum. She enjoys it, we ARE not pushing her to get on it And when she tells the boys at school which she will , absolutely all of them will think her boring and not one will be aware or associate it with dance clubs , because no 11 year old boys have the internet or know about strip clubs " Err the problem then isn't the pole fitness .The problem is why young boys are on inappropriate sites is it not lol . | |||
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"Ok so i'll probably get slated here, but being a fellow pole 'fitness' addict and seeing for myself the effort, strength and fitness you achieve by doing it, then yes i would allow kids to do it. Pole dancing is not all about being sexy, have any of you seen the work that goes into these moves, the bruises and skin burns? Which don't look sexy in any way, shape or form!! Its a brilliant and fun way to exercise and keep fit, yes you might be in hot pants/shorts and a top but then again the skin needs to be bare in places to help you grip!! Pole fitness is only sexual if you look at it that way. I have a pole in the living room and have no objections when a friends 11 year old daughter comes and wants to play on it and neither does her mum. She enjoys it, we ARE not pushing her to get on it And when she tells the boys at school which she will , absolutely all of them will think her boring and not one will be aware or associate it with dance clubs , because no 11 year old boys have the internet or know about strip clubs " So a girl shouldn't do something entirely non-sexual because boys will sexualise it? | |||
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"Ok so i'll probably get slated here, but being a fellow pole 'fitness' addict and seeing for myself the effort, strength and fitness you achieve by doing it, then yes i would allow kids to do it. Pole dancing is not all about being sexy, have any of you seen the work that goes into these moves, the bruises and skin burns? Which don't look sexy in any way, shape or form!! Its a brilliant and fun way to exercise and keep fit, yes you might be in hot pants/shorts and a top but then again the skin needs to be bare in places to help you grip!! Pole fitness is only sexual if you look at it that way. I have a pole in the living room and have no objections when a friends 11 year old daughter comes and wants to play on it and neither does her mum. She enjoys it, we ARE not pushing her to get on it And when she tells the boys at school which she will , absolutely all of them will think her boring and not one will be aware or associate it with dance clubs , because no 11 year old boys have the internet or know about strip clubs So a girl shouldn't do something entirely non-sexual because boys will sexualise it? " You can say entirely non sexual with a straight face ? Then I wish your 8 year old grand daughter well | |||
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"I see it on THIS MORNING last week. I would be ok if they dressed in legging and long tops .... Just the kids had shorts and crop tops ... I know people have a right to dress kids as they like but there are people out there who would get off on it and not look at it as fun and Theres also people out there who would also get off on peeps in leotards etc too, so it that any different?black legging and tops showing very little on the tv they had little white shorts and crop tops showing there tummys." And how is that different to the skimpy gymnastics leotards and what girls wear in a normal dance recital ? Yet ppl wouldnt think twice that that's inappropriate clothing . | |||
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"I see it on THIS MORNING last week. I would be ok if they dressed in legging and long tops .... Just the kids had shorts and crop tops ... I know people have a right to dress kids as they like but there are people out there who would get off on it and not look at it as fun and Theres also people out there who would also get off on peeps in leotards etc too, so it that any different?black legging and tops showing very little on the tv they had little white shorts and crop tops showing there tummys. And how is that different to the skimpy gymnastics leotards and what girls wear in a normal dance recital ? Yet ppl wouldnt think twice that that's inappropriate clothing . " Well they dressed to old to sexy and it was kids and pole dancing I just think it was not right .. | |||
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"Ok so i'll probably get slated here, but being a fellow pole 'fitness' addict and seeing for myself the effort, strength and fitness you achieve by doing it, then yes i would allow kids to do it. Pole dancing is not all about being sexy, have any of you seen the work that goes into these moves, the bruises and skin burns? Which don't look sexy in any way, shape or form!! Its a brilliant and fun way to exercise and keep fit, yes you might be in hot pants/shorts and a top but then again the skin needs to be bare in places to help you grip!! Pole fitness is only sexual if you look at it that way. I have a pole in the living room and have no objections when a friends 11 year old daughter comes and wants to play on it and neither does her mum. She enjoys it, we ARE not pushing her to get on it And when she tells the boys at school which she will , absolutely all of them will think her boring and not one will be aware or associate it with dance clubs , because no 11 year old boys have the internet or know about strip clubs So a girl shouldn't do something entirely non-sexual because boys will sexualise it? You can say entirely non sexual with a straight face ? Then I wish your 8 year old grand daughter well" Yes when discussing 8 year olds and 11 year olds I don't sexualise their behaviour. And I can say that with a straight face. But that's not the point i was making. The point I was making is that you seem to be blaming females for how males perceive their behaviour. And seemingly having no concerns about 111 year old boys looking at porn and sexualising their classmates as a result/ | |||
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"I see it on THIS MORNING last week. I would be ok if they dressed in legging and long tops .... Just the kids had shorts and crop tops ... I know people have a right to dress kids as they like but there are people out there who would get off on it and not look at it as fun and Here's the thing Boys and some men will fantasise about 8 year old girls wearing anything Theres also people out there who would also get off on peeps in leotards etc too, so it that any different?black legging and tops showing very little on the tv they had little white shorts and crop tops showing there tummys. And how is that different to the skimpy gymnastics leotards and what girls wear in a normal dance recital ? Yet ppl wouldnt think twice that that's inappropriate clothing . " For me it's the sexualising of tho girls knowingly at such a tender age Some girls that age act and dress to seduce males already and I certainly don't think it should be encouraged Pole dancing is excellent exercise however many 8 year olds are not naive and want to be as seductive and slutty as they are permitted to be I see gymnast girls "strutting" and bending knowing exactly the reaction they want , however good pole may be for strength or fitness it is unavoidabley linked to seduction and will be used accordingly The crux of the matter any child will see is a pair of legs spread wide open and what's between sliding and gyrating around a pole They isn't stupid Well meaning adults may wish to de sexualise the pole, cool you do so But not sure the child experiments are fair | |||
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"I see it on THIS MORNING last week. I would be ok if they dressed in legging and long tops .... Just the kids had shorts and crop tops ... I know people have a right to dress kids as they like but there are people out there who would get off on it and not look at it as fun and Here's the thing Boys and some men will fantasise about 8 year old girls wearing anything Theres also people out there who would also get off on peeps in leotards etc too, so it that any different?black legging and tops showing very little on the tv they had little white shorts and crop tops showing there tummys. And how is that different to the skimpy gymnastics leotards and what girls wear in a normal dance recital ? Yet ppl wouldnt think twice that that's inappropriate clothing . For me it's the sexualising of tho girls knowingly at such a tender age Some girls that age act and dress to seduce males already and I certainly don't think it should be encouraged Pole dancing is excellent exercise however many 8 year olds are not naive and want to be as seductive and slutty as they are permitted to be I see gymnast girls "strutting" and bending knowing exactly the reaction they want , however good pole may be for strength or fitness it is unavoidabley linked to seduction and will be used accordingly The crux of the matter any child will see is a pair of legs spread wide open and what's between sliding and gyrating around a pole They isn't stupid Well meaning adults may wish to de sexualise the pole, cool you do so But not sure the child experiments are fair" You really believe that 8 year olds dress seducticely and act slutty? | |||
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"I see it on THIS MORNING last week. I would be ok if they dressed in legging and long tops .... Just the kids had shorts and crop tops ... I know people have a right to dress kids as they like but there are people out there who would get off on it and not look at it as fun and Here's the thing Boys and some men will fantasise about 8 year old girls wearing anything Theres also people out there who would also get off on peeps in leotards etc too, so it that any different?black legging and tops showing very little on the tv they had little white shorts and crop tops showing there tummys. And how is that different to the skimpy gymnastics leotards and what girls wear in a normal dance recital ? Yet ppl wouldnt think twice that that's inappropriate clothing . For me it's the sexualising of tho girls knowingly at such a tender age Some girls that age act and dress to seduce males already and I certainly don't think it should be encouraged Pole dancing is excellent exercise however many 8 year olds are not naive and want to be as seductive and slutty as they are permitted to be I see gymnast girls "strutting" and bending knowing exactly the reaction they want , however good pole may be for strength or fitness it is unavoidabley linked to seduction and will be used accordingly The crux of the matter any child will see is a pair of legs spread wide open and what's between sliding and gyrating around a pole They isn't stupid Well meaning adults may wish to de sexualise the pole, cool you do so But not sure the child experiments are fair You really believe that 8 year olds dress seducticely and act slutty? "Lol no belief required all major towns have clubs and venues that this age group go out in , wearing far to little and out far too late . But if you're happy in your bubble xxx | |||
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"Adults sexualise, kids don't "I was knowing I was sexual at a young age my mum was off shagging my dads friend I new more then I should . | |||
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"Adults sexualise, kids don't " the kids may not some adults watching them may | |||
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"Adults sexualise, kids don't the kids may not some adults watching them may "So no children should do ANYTHING that someone may find sexually exciting, regardless of the intent? I understand the thinking; however I would balk at preventing a child from having a normal life experience because of it. | |||
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"I see it on THIS MORNING last week. I would be ok if they dressed in legging and long tops .... Just the kids had shorts and crop tops ... I know people have a right to dress kids as they like but there are people out there who would get off on it and not look at it as fun and Here's the thing Boys and some men will fantasise about 8 year old girls wearing anything Theres also people out there who would also get off on peeps in leotards etc too, so it that any different?black legging and tops showing very little on the tv they had little white shorts and crop tops showing there tummys. And how is that different to the skimpy gymnastics leotards and what girls wear in a normal dance recital ? Yet ppl wouldnt think twice that that's inappropriate clothing . For me it's the sexualising of tho girls knowingly at such a tender age Some girls that age act and dress to seduce males already and I certainly don't think it should be encouraged Pole dancing is excellent exercise however many 8 year olds are not naive and want to be as seductive and slutty as they are permitted to be I see gymnast girls "strutting" and bending knowing exactly the reaction they want , however good pole may be for strength or fitness it is unavoidabley linked to seduction and will be used accordingly The crux of the matter any child will see is a pair of legs spread wide open and what's between sliding and gyrating around a pole They isn't stupid Well meaning adults may wish to de sexualise the pole, cool you do so But not sure the child experiments are fair You really believe that 8 year olds dress seducticely and act slutty?
Lol no belief required all major towns have clubs and venues that this age group go out in , wearing far to little and out far too late . But if you're happy in your bubble xxx"I'm with Bike Monkey on this one. Not sure I agree or really understand some of your comments such as bending and knowing and getting exactly the reaction they want. My understanding is that anyone that is doing gymnasts or any sports for the record are doing it for the love of the sport and not for other people's reactions and judgement. If people view things in a sexual way, then this is down to that person and not the person doing the sport. I remember at school coming late to a football match, coming on as sub and having to use the guys shirt. This resulted in a load of girls whistling and hooting and screaming. I certainly wasn't doing this for a reaction or their enjoyment. We were in Cupids the other week. Messing about on a pole and Lizzie was teaching a Polish girl how to do some moves on the pole. As a teaching session, she was impressive for her first time and by no means did the mentality shift to sex (yep even in a sex club). After the girl did the splits. Again quite impressive. And do you know what, when we took her to a room for a threesome, I completely forgot about her doing the splits (and I know some people do look at this sexually). So I think it really is down to the person and their mentality. I do agree that sometimes young girls and even boys for this matter can be over dressed and made to be mini-mes. But that isn't to blame the child and even though some people will frown and judge the parents that do this. I'm very sure that the parents that do dress their children in a "questionable way" to some. And encourage them to do sport that can also be "debatable", are not doing it with any sexual thoughts or desires to fuel another persons sexual mentality. | |||
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"Horizontal bar ...kids swinging ,doing splits ect ...gymnastics Vertical bar...kids swinging,doing splits ect ...sexualising kids Really??? I never realised the position of the bar made such a huge difference!! The kids are doing fitness routines not getting money from punters . What next ban gymnastics or ballet for kids as the tight leotards and the moves are inappropriate? " | |||
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"Don't agree with that at all. Also say if u were slightly overweight are u telling me this sort of exercise is going to make u lose weight of course it won't load of nonsense" Actually yes it will help lose weight. It takes a lot of body strength to pole dance... | |||
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" At the risk of sounding like some kind of fuddy duddy, what's wrong with swimming, or rounders, or football, or rugby, or ballet, or the myriad of normal activities which keep children fit and healthy just as much as this - if it's all just about fitness as everyone claims. " Can you define normal? A lot of "normal people are horrified by the thought of FAB so I dont think you are a fuddy duddy! | |||
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"Now, I think 8 is a bit way too young to be doing such activities but on a serious. The reason so many are against it is because, you're brainwashed into the standards of society to believe a pole placed in the middle makes a activity, somehow, sexual. You think of poledancing and you automatically think hooker heels and strippers. This is not the case. Pole dancing is a type of yoga (Look it up). It strengthens muscles and improves balancing techniques and spinal strength just as it would if they did gymnastics. Not everything in this world is "sexual". Re-wire how you think and you'll see that. It's like when girls take up pole dancing lessons just in general, they're instantly deemed a "slut" or "whore". It's fitness. It's a shame in this world, too much stuff is often just seen as a sexual thing when its not." My point is it matters not how forward thinking you may be Or the teacher or the parents Week 5 Sally Anne is loving her pole dance fitness class and like any bright as a button modern girl she will use Google to look up her new favourite sport It's going to be complex for her developing brain to work out all the angles and her stand point She does not need this extra complication And yes I do pole and yes I can flag , I teach my friends children on climb frames , climb walls , trees , lamp posts, fences, railings and a mobile trx set up If you want your child at 9 years of age to regard with their eyes what most adults would associate with poledancing then indeed introduce them to the activity I actually don't think in general , 9 year olds regarding porn (cos that's what Google will give them ) is going to end up to badly for most But I'd not openly project them into that area Just no need | |||
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"Now, I think 8 is a bit way too young to be doing such activities but on a serious. The reason so many are against it is because, you're brainwashed into the standards of society to believe a pole placed in the middle makes a activity, somehow, sexual. You think of poledancing and you automatically think hooker heels and strippers. This is not the case. Pole dancing is a type of yoga (Look it up). It strengthens muscles and improves balancing techniques and spinal strength just as it would if they did gymnastics. Not everything in this world is "sexual". Re-wire how you think and you'll see that. It's like when girls take up pole dancing lessons just in general, they're instantly deemed a "slut" or "whore". It's fitness. It's a shame in this world, too much stuff is often just seen as a sexual thing when its not." But that's just why it's weird to me - if I've got to "rewire" my brain to see it differently to not find it a bit disturbing then it's difficult to extract the activity from its context and that's why I don't think it's suitable for children. If everyone has to rewire their thinking it's because actually the activity IS associated with sex and sexuality in most people's consciousness. Until that changes, it's not suitable for children. | |||
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Personally I think that if they do they don't know what they are doing.
They will have seen all this in modern music videos."Yes they know exactly what they are doing , | |||
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