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I am sooooo happy ...
H.A.P.P.Y - We plan to help your day go by...
So do we have to call him King Dave the First then? 
...and if reports are to be believed it's a full coalition with the Liberals - 90 years in the wilderness and now they're back in power.  | |||
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"Finally!!! Yeeeeeeeeeeee Haaaaa!! Bye Bye Brown, Hello Blue!!!
I am sooooo happy ...
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So do we have to call him King Dave the First then?
...and if reports are to be believed it's a full coalition with the Liberals - 90 years in the wilderness and now they're back in power. "WISHY, WAS IT REALLY NECCESARY TO START YET ANOTHER POLITICAL THREAD???? 
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" congrats on yer new born. " Well, he ain't walking yet but we hope he will be a quick learner and up and running by, say, tomorrow morning?? | |||
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"WISHY, WAS IT REALLY NECCESARY TO START YET ANOTHER POLITICAL THREAD????
PS. you need to fuck more "But, but, but..... IT'S BLUE!!!
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"WISHY, WAS IT REALLY NECCESARY TO START YET ANOTHER POLITICAL THREAD????
PS. you need to fuck more
But, but, but..... IT'S BLUE!!!
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"WISHY, WAS IT REALLY NECCESARY TO START YET ANOTHER POLITICAL THREAD????
PS. you need to fuck more
But, but, but..... IT'S BLUE!!!
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"is that it official then?? well lets see what happens over the next few months!! xx" Not official but Brown's been moving out of No.10. Before anything can be declared publicly they all have to liase with Buckingham Palace so the Queen can get ready to receive Brown and then Cameron shortly afterwards. It all takes time to arrange I guess but reports say a full coalition between The Conservatives and the Liberals. Nobody knows who's going to get which cabinet post but if it's a full coalition they'll be a few Liberals in government. | |||
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"is that it official then?? well lets see what happens over the next few months!! xx Not official but Brown's been moving out of No.10. Before anything can be declared publicly they all have to liase with Buckingham Palace so the Queen can get ready to receive Brown and then Cameron shortly afterwards. It all takes time to arrange I guess but reports say a full coalition between The Conservatives and the Liberals. Nobody knows who's going to get which cabinet post but if it's a full coalition they'll be a few Liberals in government." i hope she uses lube if shes doing DP  | |||
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"is that it official then?? well lets see what happens over the next few months!! xx Not official but Brown's been moving out of No.10. Before anything can be declared publicly they all have to liase with Buckingham Palace so the Queen can get ready to receive Brown and then Cameron shortly afterwards. It all takes time to arrange I guess but reports say a full coalition between The Conservatives and the Liberals. Nobody knows who's going to get which cabinet post but if it's a full coalition they'll be a few Liberals in government.i hope she uses lube if shes doing DP "no....Cameron is having sloppy seconds as he is going in shortly after Brown | |||
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"is that it official then?? well lets see what happens over the next few months!! xx Not official but Brown's been moving out of No.10. Before anything can be declared publicly they all have to liase with Buckingham Palace so the Queen can get ready to receive Brown and then Cameron shortly afterwards. It all takes time to arrange I guess but reports say a full coalition between The Conservatives and the Liberals. Nobody knows who's going to get which cabinet post but if it's a full coalition they'll be a few Liberals in government." hey wishy, i before e except after c or whether it belongs in liaise | |||
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"is that it official then?? well lets see what happens over the next few months!! xx Not official but Brown's been moving out of No.10. Before anything can be declared publicly they all have to liase with Buckingham Palace so the Queen can get ready to receive Brown and then Cameron shortly afterwards. It all takes time to arrange I guess but reports say a full coalition between The Conservatives and the Liberals. Nobody knows who's going to get which cabinet post but if it's a full coalition they'll be a few Liberals in government.i hope she uses lube if shes doing DP
no....Cameron is having sloppy seconds as he is going in shortly after Brown "well being conservative im sure hes been used to that | |||
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"god help us" yeah a bit like he has for the last 13 years Not xx | |||
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"Better than nowt I suppose xx "Damn, we have a green party and they only got one MP elected | |||
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"If it's a full coalition I'm not sure Cameron can call an election before an AB referendum. Surely Clegg would have anticipated such an eventuality and had a clause to prevent Cameron doing just that. He'd be a fool if he hasn't got a guarantee there won't be a snap election." As they stated the other night on Newsnight the majority party in any coalition can force a general election without the minority party/ies being able to veto it. They also confirmed that there is no contract that will stand in law as White Papers that go into a Queens Speech are not covered by British domestic law. We all know that there is always stuff in the Queens Speech that NEVER sees the light of day. | |||
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"thank goodness my X was not wasted last week. good luck David and team." Hear hear now let's try and get outta this fooking mess xx | |||
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"it better be a good deal... I don't see how this can work and the referendum on AV or whatever form of it better be in the first year... I can just see cameron calling a snap election... I give it 6-9 months tops.... Clegg I fear has ruined all the lib dem gains he has made in the north.... and won't end up getting any electoral reform at all.... he can kiss goodbye to scotland and wales....." I find the whole thing unsavoury! I'd rather sacrifice my first born than vote Tory, I voted Lib Dem for the first and last time. I would have preferred the awful Cameron to lead than that snake Clegg in. You know this is going to go tits up for Clegg and I for one can't wait! | |||
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a conservative government with 1 scots and 3 welsh mps.... so much for all encompassing....
Electoral reform will never see the light of day.....
1st and last time I vote lib dem.... | |||
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"It now remains for Clegg to re-woo those voters who voted LibDem and prove that the Liberal Democrats can govern. If it works out well then we truly have three-party politics to stay, and that's a good thing in my opinion." Clegg never succeeded in wooing Lib Dem voters, the party lost seats. | |||
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" We all know that there is always stuff in the Queens Speech that NEVER sees the light of day." Especially when she's been on the Gin hee hee | |||
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"Clegg never succeeded in wooing Lib Dem voters, the party lost seats." They got more votes than they've had before though didn't they? I know they didn't get the seats... but they got votes. | |||
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"Clegg never succeeded in wooing Lib Dem voters, the party lost seats. They got more votes than they've had before though didn't they? I know they didn't get the seats... but they got votes." But under the current electoral system they were fighting for seats and they did not succeed and actually lost seats. | |||
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"it better be a good deal... I don't see how this can work and the referendum on AV or whatever form of it better be in the first year... I can just see cameron calling a snap election... I give it 6-9 months tops.... Clegg I fear has ruined all the lib dem gains he has made in the north.... and won't end up getting any electoral reform at all.... he can kiss goodbye to scotland and wales..... I find the whole thing unsavoury! I'd rather sacrifice my first born than vote Tory, I voted Lib Dem for the first and last time. I would have preferred the awful Cameron to lead than that snake Clegg in. You know this is going to go tits up for Clegg and I for one can't wait! "Good luck to your first born. i wish him/her well. | |||
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"All of a sudden......Opposition looks like a pretty good place to be." aint that the truth, mervyn king hit the nail on the head.a few years of opposition but take out 2 parties in the process at the next election ..seems like a good deal for labour...like one labour bloke said come back home to labour all you pissed off lib voters...lol | |||
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" fucking charming, Clegg eventually gets some form of PR for the liberals and half of you lot who voted for Lib Dems fuck off. mind you, it appears wishy has turned yellow all of a sudden " He hasn't got anything yet, if I was Nick I wouldn't count my chickens just yet. | |||
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" fucking charming, Clegg eventually gets some form of PR for the liberals and half of you lot who voted for Lib Dems fuck off. mind you, it appears wishy has turned yellow all of a sudden " Nope, am Blue through and through, but I do admire Clegg for sticking to his principles. | |||
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" fucking charming, Clegg eventually gets some form of PR for the liberals and half of you lot who voted for Lib Dems fuck off. mind you, it appears wishy has turned yellow all of a sudden " He hasn't got PR....he has the watered down version AV promised only as a referendum at some time in the next parliament....that's sometimes within Five years, we will have to wait and see what the details are....if we are ever given them that is! | |||
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" fucking charming, Clegg eventually gets some form of PR for the liberals and half of you lot who voted for Lib Dems fuck off. mind you, it appears wishy has turned yellow all of a sudden Nope, am Blue through and through, but I do admire Clegg for sticking to his principles." Come on Wishy, you can't be Blue through and through if you were a Lib Dem pre 1997 and Labour in 1997. You mean you were a Tory voter this time around, Blue through and through is a Conservative Party member. But glad you got what you wanted this time around, it's been a very healthy discussion point and I thank you for remaining polite through it. | |||
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"Wonder who the media will brainwash people into voting next time around, suppose they’ll still be spouting vile about him for the next few weeks, it’s a real shame, have to admit I never really liked the man but the way he’s been jumped on by the media in the last week or two really does show how bad we’ve become as a nation, we take everything for granted and always miss the good and see the bad. At least Cameron will have seen what’s coming when the media jump to another messiah. " Totally agree Sky news has been so biased,the sun artical about brown still in number 10 ,murdoch was pissed off brown stopped his open door into number 10. It fucks me off all sky could worry about was the city, the city wont like it etc .....Fuck the city ,we the people are this country not the corporations ...its the city got us into this mess ,greedy bastards | |||
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"ok, i know i said i didnt care and i know i am a bit late to jump on the band wagon BUT.... Whats this AV you're all on about? Could the Queen say no to Cameron/Clegg?? if so - what happens then?" The Queen does have the power to say no to Cameron but if she did she'd soon find herself deposed as Queen. She accepts whichever PM she's told to accept. Alternative Voting is a system whereby you mark your ballot paper 1, 2, 3, 4, in order of preference for who you want to be elected. If that person receives more than 50% of the votes he/she is elected. If not, then the 2nd choice ballots are redistributed and added to the first choice ballots, and if that provides a 50%+ result, the candidate is elected. | |||
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"Wonder who the media will brainwash people into voting next time around, suppose they’ll still be spouting vile about him for the next few weeks, it’s a real shame, have to admit I never really liked the man but the way he’s been jumped on by the media in the last week or two really does show how bad we’ve become as a nation, we take everything for granted and always miss the good and see the bad. At least Cameron will have seen what’s coming when the media jump to another messiah. Totally agree Sky news has been so biased,the sun artical about brown still in number 10 ,murdoch was pissed off brown stopped his open door into number 10. It fucks me off all sky could worry about was the city, the city wont like it etc .....Fuck the city ,we the people are this country not the corporations ...its the city got us into this mess ,greedy bastards" SKY were more focused on the Tory promise of looking again at the proposal by Ofcom to reduce SKY Sports grip on the Premier League. Murdoch always has a reason for EVERYTHING he does.....ask my hubby, he works for them and SKY made no secret of the fact with their managers. | |||
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" fucking charming, Clegg eventually gets some form of PR for the liberals and half of you lot who voted for Lib Dems fuck off. mind you, it appears wishy has turned yellow all of a sudden Nope, am Blue through and through, but I do admire Clegg for sticking to his principles. Come on Wishy, you can't be Blue through and through if you were a Lib Dem pre 1997 and Labour in 1997. You mean you were a Tory voter this time around, Blue through and through is a Conservative Party member. But glad you got what you wanted this time around, it's been a very healthy discussion point and I thank you for remaining polite through it." The past is gone and the future isn't here yet. All you have is now, and right now, I'm Blue through and through. | |||
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" fucking charming, Clegg eventually gets some form of PR for the liberals and half of you lot who voted for Lib Dems fuck off. mind you, it appears wishy has turned yellow all of a sudden Nope, am Blue through and through, but I do admire Clegg for sticking to his principles. Come on Wishy, you can't be Blue through and through if you were a Lib Dem pre 1997 and Labour in 1997. You mean you were a Tory voter this time around, Blue through and through is a Conservative Party member. But glad you got what you wanted this time around, it's been a very healthy discussion point and I thank you for remaining polite through it. The past is gone and the future isn't here yet. All you have is now, and right now, I'm Blue through and through." Nah, the future's ORANGE | |||
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"I'm positive Gordy the Gaffe will make a mint on the lecture circuit followed by a warts n all book about three years as PM - I'd buy that book actually, I bet it would make a fascinating read." erm wouldn't the warts be about the first ten years, when he was chancellor? | |||
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" fucking charming, Clegg eventually gets some form of PR for the liberals and half of you lot who voted for Lib Dems fuck off. mind you, it appears wishy has turned yellow all of a sudden Nope, am Blue through and through, but I do admire Clegg for sticking to his principles. Come on Wishy, you can't be Blue through and through if you were a Lib Dem pre 1997 and Labour in 1997. You mean you were a Tory voter this time around, Blue through and through is a Conservative Party member. But glad you got what you wanted this time around, it's been a very healthy discussion point and I thank you for remaining polite through it." My menber has a blue vein running its length, does that make me a Tory? | |||
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"lets hope the conservatives dont fuckup the country this time like they did last time under thatcher and the rest of her crew " They will my darl, they will. Shaking my head, wishing I could join my mother in Europe but kids still in education here! BTW, Blue with a Touch of Yellow equals green and they know fook all about running a country either! | |||
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"But glad you got what you wanted this time around, it's been a very healthy discussion point and I thank you for remaining polite through it." It has been a very good debate and I've thoroughly enjoyed it, with all the posters from across the political divide. It didn't last for 6 threads because it was rubbish, and that says a lot. | |||
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"There ya go. Line 1 of the Agreement between Cameron & Clegg: Fixed term parliament beginning now. Cameron cannot call a snap election." first time i ever heard a new pm booed and chanting tories out tories out ...lol i dont think the problem will be with cleg and cameron or the boys with the jobs ...but the grassroot supporters of both parties are not ideologically singing from the same page ....lol ... time will tell eh..... personally i think labour have been very clever going into opposition now ...... | |||
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"ach well on the brightside gives me way loads more to moan about once cam the sham gets in and settled!! xx "Only you could say that with a smile lol | |||
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"My menber has a blue vein running its length, does that make me a Tory? " Stick a pin in it and it'll show you its true colour | |||
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"ach well on the brightside gives me way loads more to moan about once cam the sham gets in and settled!! xx
Only you could say that with a smile lol "i know!!! im safe really i dnt work in the public sector and my uni fundin is protected with the scottish government. i dont claim benefits or that, only thing they can bugger up for me is the tax credits which would be painful as they help greatly xx | |||
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"it better be a good deal... I don't see how this can work and the referendum on AV or whatever form of it better be in the first year... I can just see cameron calling a snap election... I give it 6-9 months tops.... Clegg I fear has ruined all the lib dem gains he has made in the north.... and won't end up getting any electoral reform at all.... he can kiss goodbye to scotland and wales....." he can kiss goodbye to my vote | |||
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"ach well on the brightside gives me way loads more to moan about once cam the sham gets in and settled!! xx "oh well... see you all in 4 yrs then!!!! lol fixed term now...... some of the emergency budget stuff is coming out as well..... looks like the £6bn of cuts to services is coming, but not the cutting of the NI rise, also it looks like the marriage tax break is going... no 150 pound for you lot... and the inheritance tax increase pledge is gone..... on the lib dem side it looks like they keep the income tax threshold increase to £10,000 so we can all thank vince cable for that..... | |||
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"What a day. A new Prime Minister and a new shed. Don't get much better than that. "So what car did you get Wishy? | |||
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"ach well on the brightside gives me way loads more to moan about once cam the sham gets in and settled!! xx
oh well... see you all in 4 yrs then!!!! lol fixed term now......
some of the emergency budget stuff is coming out as well..... looks like the £6bn of cuts to services is coming, but not the cutting of the NI rise, also it looks like the marriage tax break is going... no 150 pound for you lot... and the inheritance tax increase pledge is gone.....
on the lib dem side it looks like they keep the income tax threshold increase to £10,000 so we can all thank vince cable for that....."Surely the fixed term has to get through both Houses first and that can take ages. | |||
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"ach well on the brightside gives me way loads more to moan about once cam the sham gets in and settled!! xx
oh well... see you all in 4 yrs then!!!! lol fixed term now......
some of the emergency budget stuff is coming out as well..... looks like the £6bn of cuts to services is coming, but not the cutting of the NI rise, also it looks like the marriage tax break is going... no 150 pound for you lot... and the inheritance tax increase pledge is gone.....
on the lib dem side it looks like they keep the income tax threshold increase to £10,000 so we can all thank vince cable for that....."aww and i was gonna propose to you so we could get that massive tax break!!! x | |||
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" Surely the fixed term has to get through both Houses first and that can take ages." I "assume" that is going to go thru in the same legistlation as the referendum on AV so that will pass as a general electoral and voting reform package.... and it will be in the 1st years schedule just in case it does go belly up....... | |||
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" aww and i was gonna propose to you so we could get that massive tax break!!! x"damn.. we could have split the 150 quid!!! lol on the plus side because of the income tax threshold going up should be 700 quid a year better off..... so how about we just do the "sin" bit.... | |||
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" aww and i was gonna propose to you so we could get that massive tax break!!! x
damn.. we could have split the 150 quid!!! lol on the plus side because of the income tax threshold going up should be 700 quid a year better off.....
so how about we just do the "sin" bit...."ok but not goin halfers on a monday book lol!!! xx | |||
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"My menber has a blue vein running its length, does that make me a Tory? Stick a pin in it and it'll show you its true colour "Ouch!!! But at least it will put a different slant on the West Lothian question : Which car park is best for dogging, LOL | |||
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"Who you gonna jump to next when Cam fucks up wishy, now that you're confessing to be blue through and through "Whoever puts more money in my pocket for my family. I don't vote the same way every time and if Cameron now wants my vote at the next election he has to earn it over the next five years. I've made no secret that I am a floating voter and I do what I feel is the right thing to do at the time. 13 years ago John Major's government was stale, corrupt and full of sleaze and it was time for them to go, so I voted for Blair. This time I felt the same way about Brown & Labour so I voted for Cameron. That's what elections are for - to get rid of someone doing a bad job and let someone else have a go. | |||
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"ach well on the brightside gives me way loads more to moan about once cam the sham gets in and settled!! xx
oh well... see you all in 4 yrs then!!!! lol fixed term now......
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on the lib dem side it looks like they keep the income tax threshold increase to £10,000 so we can all thank vince cable for that.....
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"ach well on the brightside gives me way loads more to moan about once cam the sham gets in and settled!! xx
oh well... see you all in 4 yrs then!!!! lol fixed term now......
some of the emergency budget stuff is coming out as well..... looks like the £6bn of cuts to services is coming, but not the cutting of the NI rise, also it looks like the marriage tax break is going... no 150 pound for you lot... and the inheritance tax increase pledge is gone.....
on the lib dem side it looks like they keep the income tax threshold increase to £10,000 so we can all thank vince cable for that.....
Surely the fixed term has to get through both Houses first and that can take ages.
If it's supported by all parties then it's pretty much rubber stamped through the Lords, who are, of course, affiliated to political parties themselves."Can still take ages though, even with all the will in the world. I'm also aware the Lords have political affiliation, I've been in frontline politics for 12 years and Chair of a large branch of the TGWU prior to that. | |||
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"So Cam & Sam enter No.10 for the first time. They say their hello's to the staff, have a look around - and then what? They must need some private time and I'd bet my life that when they were alone in their room upstairs, Sam turned to Cam and said something along the lines of, "I've never given a Prime Minister a blowjob before, drop em buster!" Well, you would wouldn't you, it's too good an opportunity to miss! "dont be silly her first words would be..... that bloody wallpapers goin!! x | |||
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I also can't imagine that this coalition will last very long. Firstly, they never do and secondly, Lib Dem MP's are notoriously difficult to reign in so the first sign of a difficult issue they will be all over the place, with the possibility of the 'government' losing a vote. That happens, then there almost certainly will need to be another election. Even if it takes a while, the tories will make so many cuts people wont want to vote for them again and the lib dems have already pissed off many of those who voted for them - who did so because they didn't want Cameron.
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"He has only been PM for five minutes and already he's evicted a Scottish family and put them on the dole "lol!! love it!! and no doubt be many more like that. gonna be interestin to see where the cuts coming from but in good ole tory spirit it be the most vunerable and excluded in society xx | |||
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"I was a member of the EEPTU years ago and they sold us down the river, two years we never got a pay rise (but they managed to save our safety shoes for us - a whole £25.00 worth of crap shoes). The place I worked was a closed shop or I wouldn't have bothered with it. It's from there that I have a deep mistrust of union reps, as in our workplace they caved in because they knew that a troublesome union rep was the first name on the next list of redundancies. Unions? You can keep them, thanks." one question wishy, how many of your local union meetings did you go to? | |||
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"I was a member of the EEPTU years ago and they sold us down the river, two years we never got a pay rise (but they managed to save our safety shoes for us - a whole £25.00 worth of crap shoes). The place I worked was a closed shop or I wouldn't have bothered with it. It's from there that I have a deep mistrust of union reps, as in our workplace they caved in because they knew that a troublesome union rep was the first name on the next list of redundancies. Unions? You can keep them, thanks. one question wishy, how many of your local union meetings did you go to?" As I said, it was a closed shop and union meetings were always held on the shop floor during work hours so I had to attend. You could always tell from the way the guy opened that he was about to try and sell us a bum deal. Maybe he was just a bad rep but I was 18/19 at the time and impressionanble - well, it didn't impress, and that's why I don't have much truck with them now. I do recognise thry're value to a degree though, I'm not anti-union, just anti-militant union bosses who use their members and their union dues to further their own political agendas. | |||
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"David just showed Nick his room at No. 10...its the box room "i thought it would be the cupboard under the stairs.....xx | |||
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"David just showed Nick his room at No. 10...its the box room "lol...i thought he was gonna get the coal bunker...so he's done alright for himself there then | |||
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"I understand (from the radio) that the promised rise in the Inheritance Tax threshold has been dropped....That will piss off great swathes of Tory voters." Only till next time they get in properly lol xx | |||
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"I understand (from the radio) that the promised rise in the Inheritance Tax threshold has been dropped....That will piss off great swathes of Tory voters. Only till next time they get in properly lol xx "ahahhahahahahahahahahhhaa!!!! now i know you havin a laugh!! after the fiasco thats comin you be lucky if they even exist!!! times arent looking good!! x | |||
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"I really do feel like a corner has been turned and to see those two standing there together - different parties, but singing from the same songsheet - it makes feel positive about the future. This is so new in British politics and young men & women who voted for the first time will know nothing of the way things used to be. It is indeed, a completely new generation of politics, and I'm prepared to let it have it's teething problems, it's terrible twos and a bucket load of angst in it's teenage years - but one thing is for sure, it's here to stay, and it's our baby." can we put it up for adoption??? and no doubt who will be gettin the shitty end ...... on a serious note though, it will make the history books and only time will tell xx | |||
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"I really do feel like a corner has been turned and to see those two standing there together - different parties, but singing from the same songsheet - it makes feel positive about the future. This is so new in British politics and young men & women who voted for the first time will know nothing of the way things used to be. It is indeed, a completely new generation of politics, and I'm prepared to let it have it's teething problems, it's terrible twos and a bucket load of angst in it's teenage years - but one thing is for sure, it's here to stay, and it's our baby. can we put it up for adoption??? and no doubt who will be gettin the shitty end ...... on a serious note though, it will make the history books and only time will tell xx " Very true hon, and the benchmark will be that if people like your good self are won over as time passes then we'll know it's a good thing they've done here. We all know there are cuts on the way, and Labour would have made cuts too, so I won't blame them too much for something that had to happen anyway, but after the economy is truly on the road to recovery and some of their more ambitious projects can be implemented then we'll see how well they deal with those issues then. p.s. They just had a good old laugh in the garden there and I cannot recall that ever happening in British politics. | |||
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"Seeing the photo of those two self-satisfied tossers shaking hands reminded me of Hitler and Stalin in 1939." a bit harsh . . . . neither of them went to public school | |||
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Damn, we have a green party and they only got one MP elected
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"Seeing the photo of those two self-satisfied tossers shaking hands reminded me of Hitler and Stalin in 1939." Well when they have the country back on it's feet and we're all prospering, please do feel free to hand over your share of the loot. I bet you won't though. | |||
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"Ahh a return to the good old days... When the rich got richer and the noble art of the placard writer was in full force...I predict a riot... "Perhaps bogof and I could retrain as sign writers | |||
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"Bloody hell just realized those faces remind me of CONNECT 4 !! pmsl!! "Nah connect four was red and yellow | |||
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"Is it going to kick the work shy fekkers into contributing by getting jobs though?" Huh? My relative in in his 70's, he doesn't want to work anymore. He just wants what he worked for all his life. | |||
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"Is it going to kick the work shy fekkers into contributing by getting jobs though? Huh? My relative in in his 70's, he doesn't want to work anymore. He just wants what he worked for all his life. "Its work till you drop Now!
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"We await Lord Browne's final report into higher education funding, and will judge its proposals against the need to It does say this before that line wishy." True, it does, so that will be a test of Con -v- Lib policy and it will be interesting to see which policy is implemented. | |||
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"The coalition will end in tears and acrimony. The country did not vote for this. Two white middle class men from similar privalaged backgrounds, it makes me feel sick" Oooo bit harsh! I think you might be right but Clegg might actually make things work. Who knows! | |||
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"The coalition will end in tears and acrimony. The country did not vote for this. Two white middle class men from similar privalaged backgrounds, it makes me feel sick" The country DID vote for it. It voted in a hung parliament so what's the alternative to what these guys are trying to do? I'd rather have this for as long as it lasts than a single day of them voting against each other on every single issue. Why won't some people at least give it a chance? Why all the negativity? | |||
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"The coalition will end in tears and acrimony. The country did not vote for this. Two white middle class men from similar privalaged backgrounds, it makes me feel sick The country DID vote for it. It voted in a hung parliament so what's the alternative to what these guys are trying to do? I'd rather have this for as long as it lasts than a single day of them voting against each other on every single issue. Why won't some people at least give it a chance? Why all the negativity?" The people who voted lib dem didn't vote for tories, the people who voted tories didn't vote for lib dems......so no, they didn't vote these two parties in. They thought they were voting for one party. | |||
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"Both have sold out ,,,, its a feckin joke what some will do to get power ,,, the electorate will , i hope consign these two jokers to the place of scoundrals and blaggards ( the lords ) seriously though ,, if i voted for either red or orange and got what has been divvied up then I would be fuckin livid ,,, it is indeed a good time to be a red " Sweetie, thank you for being the guy saw this (many others may have, I had things to do and couldn't read all!). But a freaking tout, tarting his support here and there, Gordon had the balls to bow out, the rest of the party said "If this is what you've got to offer, fook right ..." So Mr Clegg turned right, and right into the hands to those more devious ... Still, in a year or so we'll all know what soulless twats they are and have to vote again... Any sense, Labour next time! | |||
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"Both have sold out ,,,, its a feckin joke what some will do to get power ,,, the electorate will , i hope consign these two jokers to the place of scoundrals and blaggards ( the lords ) seriously though ,, if i voted for either red or orange and got what has been divvied up then I would be fuckin livid ,,, it is indeed a good time to be a red " . It seems that Labour supporters have chosen to totally ignore what has taken place and focus on how hard done by Labour has been. FACT: The Libdems have stated why there was no deal with Labour. They felt that the Labour party were not taking them seriously and offered no real compromises for the Libdems to consider. It has also been stated that of the Labour negotiators that they met, there was a feeling of gloom and resignation about them and that they were already preparing for defeat. There wasn’t a deal to be made with Labour which is why they went back to the Conservatives. Gordon Brown didn’t even sit in on the negotiations, preferring to contact Clegg by telephone instead! This isn't my interpretation of what happened, this is fact. FACT: A hung parliament was on the cards from the moment the election was called and the pre-election survey polls started appearing. All three parties were neck and neck going into the final week, with Labour behind slightly, and the number crunchers in the media, who have a mountain of past data to draw on, predicted a hung parliament, and that's what we got. It isn't rocket science and anyone with half a brain can see that in a hung parliament deals have to be done or nothing gets done at all. They either argue the toss endlessly over the dispatch box and deliver nothing for the electorate, or they form some sort of alliance, either formally or informally. Ok, nobody can deny that faced with Labour remaining in power, or grabbing power for themselves it was a no brainer for Clegg to deal with Cameron, but watching those two yesterday I got a sense that they really want to make this work for the better of the country, putting aside party differences - time will tell if it does work or not. Blair was exactly the same when he won in ‘97. He spoke about his vision of what Britain could be and I believed him, he was that convincing about it. Sadly, the reality after 13 years was quite different. Labour didn't actually get much wrong in terms of serving the people but they didn't get a lot right either – increased CCTV surveillance, wasting billions on the ID Card scheme, and further billions on a NHS supercomputer system that has never been switched on. But they did have their successes too - the minimum wage will be a testament to the Blair/Brown government, and it is a worthy piece of governance to be remembered for. Their problem these past couple of years is that they became stale, tired and unfocussed – jaded would be an accurate description. Brown became a liability to the Labour Party and he is the type of man who is great when things are sailing along nicely but when his back is up against the wall he fluffs it. ~ What does the future hold? ~ The LibDems could well find themselves annihilated at the next election by angry Liberals who aren’t comfortable with this deal, and by Labour supporters who voted LD this time out, but if you look at the final figures for % of the vote, they LibDems only gained 1% from 2005, so their support base is low, but loyal. The overwhelming message from Liberal Democrat party members up and down the country is that this deal is a good deal - not because they're happy to be in power after 90 years in the wilderness, but because Liberal Democrat policies will pass into UK law and we will live our lives by them - that is why they welcome this deal and why Clegg will do his utmost to make it work. Will Cameron shaft him? He might. Of the two I'd put more trust in Clegg than Cameron. Clegg has so much more to lose if this doesn't work. His political life would be over and he'll fade into obscurity on the back of a vengeful electorate if this Coalition fails. (But I would suggest they stop all the chummy-chum stuff, it's embarrassing) | |||
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" A question for you, would you have been so enthusiastic if the talks between the Tories and Libs had broken down and it had ended up a Lib/Lab goverment?" In all honestly, probably not, but it would have been different from the government we had, and with Liberal policies mixing in with Labour ones it may have been worth seeing. I guess that's academic now as it didn't happen, but I think I would have given it at least half a chance. You know I am a floating voter and if any of the parties make my life better then they get my support. I'll be the first to moan about Cameron/Clegg if they screw it up and I'll happily join the millies waving placards outside Whitehall if they really make a balls up of it. | |||
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" You say the party members were satisfied that the merger was ok, what about the people who voted ? From what I have saw since, there is a hell of a lot of people, tories plus Libs that are not happy with what has happened. A question for you, would you have been so enthusiastic if the talks between the Tories and Libs had broken down and it had ended up a Lib/Lab goverment?" Well said totally agree rugby ,Wishy you can not sum up 13 years of a labour govt with a off the cuff assessment and its natural to point out failings after 3 terms same happened with the tories last stint just some of labours achievements are below and it looks pretty good to me 1.Longest period of sustained low inflation since the 60s 2. Low mortgage rates 3. Introduced the National Minimum Wage and raised it to £5.35 4. Record police numbers in England, Scotland and Wales 5. Cut overall crime by 35 per cent 6. Record levels of literacy and numeracy in schools 7. Best-ever primary school results 8. Funding for every pupil in England doubled by 2008 9. Employment is at its highest level ever 10. Written off up to 100 per cent of debt owed by poorest countries 11. 85,000 more nurses 12. 32,000 more doctors 13. Brought back matrons to hospital wards 14. Devolved power to the Scottish Parliament 15. Devolved power to Welsh Assembly 16. Dads now get paternity leave of 2 weeks for the first time 17. NHS Direct offering free convenient patient advice 18. Gift aid was worth £625 million to charities last year 19. Restored city-wide government to London 20. Record number of students in higher education 21. Child benefit up 25 per cent since 1997 22. Created Sure Start to help children from low income households 23. Introduced the Disability Rights Commission 24. £200 winter fuel payment to pensioners & extra £100 for over-80s 25. On course to exceed the Kyoto target to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 2010 26. Negotiated the historic Good Friday Agreement in Northern Ireland 27. Over 30,000 more teachers in England schools 28. All workers now have a right to 4 weeks’ paid holiday 29. A million pensioners lifted out of relative poverty 30. 800,000 children lifted out of relative poverty 31. Introduced child tax credit giving more money to parents 32. Scrapped Section 28 and introduced Civil Partnerships 33. Brought over 1 million social homes up to standard 34. Free school milk for five, six and seven-year-olds in Wales 35. Banned fox hunting 36. Cleanest rivers, beaches, drinking water and air since the industrial revolution 37. Free TV licences for over-75s 38. Banned fur farming and the testing of cosmetics on animals 39. Waiting times for operations halved 40. Free local bus travel for over-60s 41. New Deal - helped over a million people into work 42. Over 1.5 million child trust funds have been started 43. Free eye test for over 60s 44. Five, six and seven year olds in class sizes of 30 or less 45. Free entry to national museums and galleries 46. Overseas aid budget more than doubled 47. Cancer death rates down by 12 per cent, saving 43,000 lives 48. Cut long-term youth unemployment by 75 per cent 49. Free nursery places for three and four-year-olds in England, Scotland and Wales 50. Free fruit for all four to six-year-olds at school | |||
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"Labour paid only lip service to the prospect of a coalition with the Lib Dems, there was no real hunger within the party to form such a coalition and Opposition is a far better prospect. Unlike the new Coalition Government any Labour/Lib Dem Coalition would have been a much wider arrangement that would have resulted in unworkable concessions being given out to several other parties, including Nationalistic parties like Plaid and the SNP. The Conservatives have had to reluctantly...even extremely reluctantly if the truth be told, give in to major concessions to the Lib Dems in order to stitch together this patchy marriage. Don't be fooled by the theatrical smiles and jokes between Cameron and Clegg, the Tories are seething and Cameron has a lot to answer to with the Tory Old School. So no real effort by Labour to form a coalition, and thank god as Opposition has never looked so attractive as it does today. Ed Miliband, David Miliband, Alan Johnson, Ed Balls, Harriet Harman.....all waiting like vultures to pick over the bones of this new coalition when the cuts strike home with the British public. Vat rise anyone? Happy Days ahead I think..... " yeah the vat rise was discussed yesterday on bbc as its the quickest way of gettin money in! food the basic essential, and i know a lot of pensioners who struggle with food costs as it is, and also families. iv skipped meals to make sure my kid gets fed and im not on benefits then there are other vunerable people who are on benefits how are they goin to cope with an increase on food because benefits wont be going up and we are already in child poverty for a lot of people and pensioners. bloody disgraceful if you ask me to whack vat up which has always been a tax on the poorxx | |||
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"Labour paid only lip service to the prospect of a coalition with the Lib Dems, there was no real hunger within the party to form such a coalition and Opposition is a far better prospect. Unlike the new Coalition Government any Labour/Lib Dem Coalition would have been a much wider arrangement that would have resulted in unworkable concessions being given out to several other parties, including Nationalistic parties like Plaid and the SNP. The Conservatives have had to reluctantly...even extremely reluctantly if the truth be told, give in to major concessions to the Lib Dems in order to stitch together this patchy marriage. Don't be fooled by the theatrical smiles and jokes between Cameron and Clegg, the Tories are seething and Cameron has a lot to answer to with the Tory Old School. So no real effort by Labour to form a coalition, and thank god as Opposition has never looked so attractive as it does today. Ed Miliband, David Miliband, Alan Johnson, Ed Balls, Harriet Harman.....all waiting like vultures to pick over the bones of this new coalition when the cuts strike home with the British public. Vat rise anyone? Happy Days ahead I think..... " its already started,remember the democtatic part of the lib dem name comes from all the social democrates who joined when the parties merged.Effectively ex labour supporters centre left, disaffected by Foot. Its been pointed out already that cameron said he believed the cabinet should have a minimum of 30% women total appointed ....1
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"At the moment the experts are suggesting the secretly proposed 5% Vat on retail foodstuffs by the Tories (as leaked by the Economist Magazine last Autumn) has been put on the backburner. The Lib Dem marriage would have stopped them going for that, but there will be a Vat rise, probably up to 20% or 22.5% on 'luxury goods' by the end of the summer recess. So any small business that opened during the Vat drop to 15% will have seen their costs rise by 5%-7.5% in the space of 6 months. So much for the Tories being the party of small business.....
It doesn't sound good but the money to repay debts has to come from somewhere. Its where the cuts come that more concerns me as we can all spend a little less to compensate for vat rises. "if i spend any less il be in the runnin for ebeezneer scrooges hat!! vat is unfair taxation at the best of times remember even essentials such as ladies sanitary products are under vat i think? condoms? clothing? food? gas,electric, ? i need to check what all does come under vat xx | |||
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"The cuts will need to be savage. Losing this election is the best thing that could have happened to the Labour party...they can sit back, watch Cleggy and Dave start sorting out the monumental mess with our economy... they wait while the general populace scream and bay for blood because we're not happy at having to tighten our belts/accept that the money borrowed by the government must be repaid.... then milliband, balls or whoever can point the finger, tut a lot and say 'you should have stuck with us, we'd have repaid all the money we borrowed without slashing public borrowing/raising taxes etc etc etc'......they're assured a land slide in the not too distant future If labour had won and formed government, had the balls to reign in public spending etc as this coalition will do then tories and libs would sit back....wait....and then say same thing Whoever had one this election was destined to be pilloried and hated for at least a generation" yep i got a lot of time for merv from the big bank ...he hit the nail on the head | |||
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"The cuts will need to be savage. Losing this election is the best thing that could have happened to the Labour party...they can sit back, watch Cleggy and Dave start sorting out the monumental mess with our economy... they wait while the general populace scream and bay for blood because we're not happy at having to tighten our belts/accept that the money borrowed by the government must be repaid.... then milliband, balls or whoever can point the finger, tut a lot and say 'you should have stuck with us, we'd have repaid all the money we borrowed without slashing public borrowing/raising taxes etc etc etc'......they're assured a land slide in the not too distant future If labour had won and formed government, had the balls to reign in public spending etc as this coalition will do then tories and libs would sit back....wait....and then say same thing Whoever had one this election was destined to be pilloried and hated for at least a generation" its always the big vicious circle and i dont envy them they in for a momentous job!! realistically we all goin to feel the cuts in one way or another but the quicker we know what they are the better, then there is the emergency budget to come xx | |||
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"At the moment the experts are suggesting the secretly proposed 5% Vat on retail foodstuffs by the Tories (as leaked by the Economist Magazine last Autumn) has been put on the backburner. The Lib Dem marriage would have stopped them going for that, but there will be a Vat rise, probably up to 20% or 22.5% on 'luxury goods' by the end of the summer recess. So any small business that opened during the Vat drop to 15% will have seen their costs rise by 5%-7.5% in the space of 6 months. So much for the Tories being the party of small business.....
It doesn't sound good but the money to repay debts has to come from somewhere. Its where the cuts come that more concerns me as we can all spend a little less to compensate for vat rises.
if i spend any less il be in the runnin for ebeezneer scrooges hat!!
vat is unfair taxation at the best of times remember even essentials such as ladies sanitary products are under vat i think? condoms? clothing? food? gas,electric, ? i need to check what all does come under vat xx"Is any tax fair? For that matter is it fair to make some pay more than others? Is it fair that anyone earns more than 500K a year. one persons fair is another's unjust | |||
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"At the moment the experts are suggesting the secretly proposed 5% Vat on retail foodstuffs by the Tories (as leaked by the Economist Magazine last Autumn) has been put on the backburner. The Lib Dem marriage would have stopped them going for that, but there will be a Vat rise, probably up to 20% or 22.5% on 'luxury goods' by the end of the summer recess. So any small business that opened during the Vat drop to 15% will have seen their costs rise by 5%-7.5% in the space of 6 months. So much for the Tories being the party of small business.....
It doesn't sound good but the money to repay debts has to come from somewhere. Its where the cuts come that more concerns me as we can all spend a little less to compensate for vat rises.
if i spend any less il be in the runnin for ebeezneer scrooges hat!!
vat is unfair taxation at the best of times remember even essentials such as ladies sanitary products are under vat i think? condoms? clothing? food? gas,electric, ? i need to check what all does come under vat xx
Is any tax fair? For that matter is it fair to make some pay more than others? Is it fair that anyone earns more than 500K a year. one persons fair is another's unjust "there has obviously got to be some form of taxation you want services they need to paid somehow? if someone earns over 500k a year good on them, they obviously worked hard to earn it or are a footballer or whatever you get paid what you worth apparently, personally i dont think i will ever have to worry about that size of a wage bill and the taxation that comes with it! no word on the freeze on council tax either so be interestin to see how that one goes! cut in income tax and ni, somethin tells me what the sham giveth the sham goin to be lookin to take back 5 fold xx | |||
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"It is very simple to see where Vat hits the poor more than it does the better off, it is therefore an unfair tax on the ordinary family. Not only can the poor less afford new TV's, new Fridges etc., but they are less likely than many more well off people to be able to claim that Vat back. " and there starts another problem, these things go , cant access affordable credit so its off to brighthouse and other rip off joints where you payin back up to 5 times the original cost for somethin that will break down before its paid off likely xx | |||
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"It is very simple to see where Vat hits the poor more than it does the better off, it is therefore an unfair tax on the ordinary family. Not only can the poor less afford new TV's, new Fridges etc., but they are less likely than many more well off people to be able to claim that Vat back. " But VAT does at least tax the black economy where income tax doesn't! Maybe VAT should have a 17% and a super VAT at 25% for super luxury goods which you cannot claim VAT back on under any circumstances. | |||
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"It is very simple to see where Vat hits the poor more than it does the better off, it is therefore an unfair tax on the ordinary family. Not only can the poor less afford new TV's, new Fridges etc., but they are less likely than many more well off people to be able to claim that Vat back. " So what should the rich do? Make themselves poor just to appease some sense of fairness? Give it all away so they can hold their heads high in Chav St.? I've seen people call Cameron & Clegg upper-class twits or some such like. Who should run our country if not our best educated? Some glue-sniffing, spotty little oik from DrugTown who never got an education? If the govt get rid of VAT then income tax will rise. VAT was introduced to hide a rise in taxes in the first place. Labour has hit us with more stealth taxes than any government previously, because they knew that if they were up front and said income tax has to rise, they wouldn't have been in power for 13 years. | |||
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" You say the party members were satisfied that the merger was ok, what about the people who voted ? From what I have saw since, there is a hell of a lot of people, tories plus Libs that are not happy with what has happened. A question for you, would you have been so enthusiastic if the talks between the Tories and Libs had broken down and it had ended up a Lib/Lab goverment? Well said totally agree rugby ,Wishy you can not sum up 13 years of a labour govt with a off the cuff assessment and its natural to point out failings after 3 terms same happened with the tories last stint just some of labours achievements are below and it looks pretty good to me 1.Longest period of sustained low inflation since the 60s 2. Low mortgage rates 3. Introduced the National Minimum Wage and raised it to £5.35 4. Record police numbers in England, Scotland and Wales 5. Cut overall crime by 35 per cent 6. Record levels of literacy and numeracy in schools 7. Best-ever primary school results 8. Funding for every pupil in England doubled by 2008 9. Employment is at its highest level ever 10. Written off up to 100 per cent of debt owed by poorest countries 11. 85,000 more nurses 12. 32,000 more doctors 13. Brought back matrons to hospital wards 14. Devolved power to the Scottish Parliament 15. Devolved power to Welsh Assembly 16. Dads now get paternity leave of 2 weeks for the first time 17. NHS Direct offering free convenient patient advice 18. Gift aid was worth £625 million to charities last year 19. Restored city-wide government to London 20. Record number of students in higher education 21. Child benefit up 25 per cent since 1997 22. Created Sure Start to help children from low income households 23. Introduced the Disability Rights Commission 24. £200 winter fuel payment to pensioners & extra £100 for over-80s 25. On course to exceed the Kyoto target to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 2010 26. Negotiated the historic Good Friday Agreement in Northern Ireland 27. Over 30,000 more teachers in England schools 28. All workers now have a right to 4 weeks’ paid holiday 29. A million pensioners lifted out of relative poverty 30. 800,000 children lifted out of relative poverty 31. Introduced child tax credit giving more money to parents 32. Scrapped Section 28 and introduced Civil Partnerships 33. Brought over 1 million social homes up to standard 34. Free school milk for five, six and seven-year-olds in Wales 35. Banned fox hunting 36. Cleanest rivers, beaches, drinking water and air since the industrial revolution 37. Free TV licences for over-75s 38. Banned fur farming and the testing of cosmetics on animals 39. Waiting times for operations halved 40. Free local bus travel for over-60s 41. New Deal - helped over a million people into work 42. Over 1.5 million child trust funds have been started 43. Free eye test for over 60s 44. Five, six and seven year olds in class sizes of 30 or less 45. Free entry to national museums and galleries 46. Overseas aid budget more than doubled 47. Cancer death rates down by 12 per cent, saving 43,000 lives 48. Cut long-term youth unemployment by 75 per cent 49. Free nursery places for three and four-year-olds in England, Scotland and Wales 50. Free fruit for all four to six-year-olds at school " Well said ,,,,, now i know why they got my vote | |||
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"Wishy....give us a few examples of Labour stealth taxes brought in between 1997 and 2010? Remember, must have been brought in by Labour....." mortgage interest tax relief at sorce reduced from 15 to 10% road fuel tax escaltor increased vehicle excise duty increased massively for some vehicles windfall taxes on utility companies and more recently bankers landfill tax incresed abolition of tax relief on married couples allownances the last pre budget report Darling said that pensions would rise by 2.5% he did not mention that this only applied to the basic state pension NOT to serps, state second pension, graduated pensions, deferred basic pension payments etc....so in real terms he was hitting pensioners in the pocket by up to as much as £200 per year Just a few taxes under labour that i could think of off top of my head....but am sure there are more.....just as I am sure there will be more under this administration....or any administration in the future | |||
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"It is very simple to see where Vat hits the poor more than it does the better off, it is therefore an unfair tax on the ordinary family. Not only can the poor less afford new TV's, new Fridges etc., but they are less likely than many more well off people to be able to claim that Vat back. But VAT does at least tax the black economy where income tax doesn't! Maybe VAT should have a 17% and a super VAT at 25% for super luxury goods which you cannot claim VAT back on under any circumstances. define a luxury good? the tories never go for that as the richest quarters pay less tax as it is as they can afford clever accountants to hide it better x" The Tories (under their intial implimentation of Vat) defined fridges, gas and electric fires, central heating boilers and radiators, windows, blankets, footwear as luxury goods. | |||
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"I cannot see this govt introducing a flat rate of income tax at 25% but if they want to raise the tax allowance to £15,000 and then put a vat rate of 25% on everything then I'm all for it. It puts money in my pocket and as I've said all along - that's a vote winner for me.
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"I cannot see this govt introducing a flat rate of income tax at 25% but if they want to raise the tax allowance to £15,000 and then put a vat rate of 25% on everything then I'm all for it. It puts money in my pocket and as I've said all along - that's a vote winner for me.
(and the rich will pay a fuck load more when they eat out at the Ritz @ £20 for a fookin sandwich!)
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"In 13 years under Labour Vat NEVER rose, in fact it was for a period lowered by 2.5% Under the Tories Vat was brought in, in 1994 the Tories even implemented an 8% Vat rate on domestic heating. Now the Tories are back in Vat is going up again.... Income Tax is a proportional Tax....Vat is a Regressive Tax, with a bias (positive) towards the better off in the country." yep totally agree ,you can bet your bottom dollar it is mostly the poor who will pay for this global recession,caused by crooked banks wrapping up non existent assets and flogging em to each other. What do i expect the rich to do ? , pay their fair share,stop the offshore tax loopholes for a start..stop the bankroller of the tories from being tax free as a non dom and sitting in the house of lords ...or how about a windfall tax on BP and others as well banking fat cats ...take over the boardrooms ,charge em 90% tax back date it if necessary tax there pensions to fuck. Do what they like but hands off the poor i say ...!!!! | |||
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"holy moses wishy......now that is a shed load of them "Go take a look at the link I provided. There's hundreds more! | |||
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"I cannot see this govt introducing a flat rate of income tax at 25% but if they want to raise the tax allowance to £15,000 and then put a vat rate of 25% on everything then I'm all for it. It puts money in my pocket and as I've said all along - that's a vote winner for me.
(and the rich will pay a fuck load more when they eat out at the Ritz @ £20 for a fookin sandwich!)
so when you takin me there for lunch then??? xx
Before the bloody VAT rises!! Get ya coat! "whay!! iv pulled lol!! i seen that tiscalli thing when i googled stealth taxes, but used wikipedia for quickness! stealth taxes was a phrase used by the tories and micheal portillo claimed that childrens tax credits were a stealth tax on marriage! xx | |||
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"Hello Con-Dems" lol!!! i never thought of it like that!! x | |||
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"Hello Con-Dems lol!!! i never thought of it like that!! x" i think cleggy is now Daves bitch ,but doesnt know it yet .. | |||
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"i know im gonna get cruxified for this but when we talkin cuts im using this as an example of what i think is local authority waste and its not aimed at anyone and im not being disrespectful to anyones situation but i used to do a school run for local authority in taxi, they paid me £100 a day to transport a disabled child to and from school every mon to fri with exception of school holidays. childs mum didnt work because of his condition which was very demanding she could never have held a job due to the demands but they did have a motobility car for him why couldnt she take him to school?? as i said im not havin a go at anyone as i dont think i would be able to cope in that situation but seems a lot of money for somethin that could be done by the parents as they both drove xx" i see your point but its an anomaly isnt it,may be the transition from home to loco parentis needed to be formalised for insurance purposes. but its a bit like people on a million plus a year still being entitled to child allowance,the allowance is there to be claimed and used. | |||
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"i know im gonna get cruxified for this but when we talkin cuts im using this as an example of what i think is local authority waste and its not aimed at anyone and im not being disrespectful to anyones situation but i used to do a school run for local authority in taxi, they paid me £100 a day to transport a disabled child to and from school every mon to fri with exception of school holidays. childs mum didnt work because of his condition which was very demanding she could never have held a job due to the demands but they did have a motobility car for him why couldnt she take him to school?? as i said im not havin a go at anyone as i dont think i would be able to cope in that situation but seems a lot of money for somethin that could be done by the parents as they both drove xx i see your point but its an anomaly isnt it,may be the transition from home to loco parentis needed to be formalised for insurance purposes. but its a bit like people on a million plus a year still being entitled to child allowance,the allowance is there to be claimed and used. " insurance is nothin to do with it, you dont need special car insurance if you have an additional support needs child, only if its being used for business purposes ie if you work with them in paid employment and using your own car xx | |||
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"so MPS are to take a wage cut of 5% Its a noble gesture and good PR if nothing else. I think its a good move after the expenses scandal " At end of March this year public sector net debt stood at £890 billion which is the equivalent of 62% of GDP......their pay salary cut is not even a drop in the ocean of clawing some of this money back | |||
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"i know im gonna get cruxified for this but when we talkin cuts im using this as an example of what i think is local authority waste and its not aimed at anyone and im not being disrespectful to anyones situation but i used to do a school run for local authority in taxi, they paid me £100 a day to transport a disabled child to and from school every mon to fri with exception of school holidays. childs mum didnt work because of his condition which was very demanding she could never have held a job due to the demands but they did have a motobility car for him why couldnt she take him to school?? as i said im not havin a go at anyone as i dont think i would be able to cope in that situation but seems a lot of money for somethin that could be done by the parents as they both drove xx i see your point but its an anomaly isnt it,may be the transition from home to loco parentis needed to be formalised for insurance purposes. but its a bit like people on a million plus a year still being entitled to child allowance,the allowance is there to be claimed and used. insurance is nothin to do with it, you dont need special car insurance if you have an additional support needs child, only if its being used for business purposes ie if you work with them in paid employment and using your own car xx" yeah i do take your point but if the child was severely disabled it may have been part of their time out assessment as carers. All carers are now entitled to an assessment of their needs and a social worker purely for them (they save the country billions per year) ,also maybe the handover at school gates is less messy ,ie at what point do parents relinquish control and the school become loco parentis,who knows really...eh but there is a lot of wastage ,lets stop all the council factfinding trips overseas for councillors for a start. | |||
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"iv worked in care for more years than i really want to think about and familiar with the assesment process and respite etc, but dont see the point of havin a mobility car sittin at the door not gettin used for the purpose its intended for and just seems a waste of very scarce resources. every parent has had the performance at the school gates at some point whether its mainstream children or additional needs! totally agree on the junket trips etc with local authorities and the tea and biscuits bills etc xx" yeah the biscuit bills are horendous lol ....thing is mps,councillors etc forget they are just ordinary people and that level of self importance makes em believe they are special and entitled to be treated as such.If as they say .."they just want to serve..." ok let them ,give them the same expenses a normal employee in a average company would get. I mean the pension a newly elected mp gets after 6 months service is crazy even if voted out after 6 months. its time they all got a grip ,maybe a peoples parliament where people serve like jurors do for a fixed term of a year (job protected etc etc) and let the civil service do the general running of the place as they do now eh ., at least it would be more representative.. | |||
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"Don't get me wrong but there is shameful waste in all departments of this countries Government and Civil Service, not to mention the Social Services budget.... I live in a nice area, the family at the top of our road have a house that is circa £700k in value. The father works for the Met Office as a senior manager and is probably on £100k a year. They have a child who unfortunately has severe learning difficulties and is mildly Autistic... Every day they have a taxi to take this child to his special needs school, I always assumed that the cost was met by them as they are relatively wealthy and enjoy a privilaged lifestyle. Their other child goes to a very nice private school and mum drops him off every day in her Porsche Cayenne. I found out last week that the tab for taking the child to the special needs school is met by the state, she admitted to us that the cost is £350 for 5 days. Yet she drives past the special needs school to deliver her other child to the private school. So NO....everything is not right and things do need changing. " So does it matter if she drives a Porsche or would you look on her differently if it was a 5y/o Renault Clio. Is she to hide her lifestyle and only drive her nice car when it's dark so nobody sees it because someone doesn't like the fact that she, or her husband, are successful? The system says her child has special needs and those needs have to be met by the state. The child doesn't earn a living and cannot support itself, what if it's parents suddenly died? Would it be ok to give the child what it needs then? You cannot differentiate between the services people are entitled to based upon how successful they are. Either we live in a democracy or we don't. You can't have it both ways. People on high salaries pay more in tax that most people earn in total so what's the problem? They're paying fgs! It all smacks of jealousy to me. | |||
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"iv worked in care for more years than i really want to think about and familiar with the assesment process and respite etc, but dont see the point of havin a mobility car sittin at the door not gettin used for the purpose its intended for and just seems a waste of very scarce resources. every parent has had the performance at the school gates at some point whether its mainstream children or additional needs! totally agree on the junket trips etc with local authorities and the tea and biscuits bills etc xx yeah the biscuit bills are horendous lol ....thing is mps,councillors etc forget they are just ordinary people and that level of self importance makes em believe they are special and entitled to be treated as such.If as they say .."they just want to serve..." ok let them ,give them the same expenses a normal employee in a average company would get. I mean the pension a newly elected mp gets after 6 months service is crazy even if voted out after 6 months. its time they all got a grip ,maybe a peoples parliament where people serve like jurors do for a fixed term of a year (job protected etc etc) and let the civil service do the general running of the place as they do now eh ., at least it would be more representative.. "Sheesh! Why not go the whole hog and make it law that every single person above 18 has to have a day at running things! What ludicrous rubbish.
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"no its not jealousy If she can afford to send the other child to a private school then she can afford to pay for the disabled one after all the children are hers and her resposibilty up until the point she dies she takes financial responsibilty for the first, why not the other? " Because the state says she doesn't have to because one of her children has disabilities... or should only poor kids get that? | |||
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"yes if she can afford to care for her own then she has a moral obligation to do so its not my resposibilty or yours besides its also wrong to assume that because she is wealthy she pays more tax she probaly has a good accountant and pays less than me or you so its safe to assume that MAYBE she takes out far more than she pays into the system and as she can afford to payt then in my eyes she is worse that someone with nothing on benefits" Oh that old chestnut eh? The reliable dodgy accountant who hides it all. What bollox. So everyone rich is taking more than they're giving huh? Jealousy. That's all it is. You want what someone else has. Maybe is safe for me to assume that eh? | |||
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"yes if she can afford to care for her own then she has a moral obligation to do so its not my resposibilty or yours besides its also wrong to assume that because she is wealthy she pays more tax she probaly has a good accountant and pays less than me or you so its safe to assume that MAYBE she takes out far more than she pays into the system and as she can afford to payt then in my eyes she is worse that someone with nothing on benefits Oh that old chestnut eh? The reliable dodgy accountant who hides it all. What bollox. So everyone rich is taking more than they're giving huh? Jealousy. That's all it is. You want what someone else has. Maybe is safe for me to assume that eh? "I think thats a bit harsh.....we all know that people get around paying tax and how they do it. Jealousy is a word bandied about too easy when you don't have an answer for what you know probably happens. | |||
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"yes if she can afford to care for her own then she has a moral obligation to do so its not my resposibilty or yours besides its also wrong to assume that because she is wealthy she pays more tax she probaly has a good accountant and pays less than me or you so its safe to assume that MAYBE she takes out far more than she pays into the system and as she can afford to payt then in my eyes she is worse that someone with nothing on benefits Oh that old chestnut eh? The reliable dodgy accountant who hides it all. What bollox. So everyone rich is taking more than they're giving huh? Jealousy. That's all it is. You want what someone else has. Maybe is safe for me to assume that eh? "I am not jealous of someone with a disabled child no I not in fact far from it I am bloody relieved a lot of people do use the system to get more cash for themselves not the child as usual I speak knowing people that do and I have a lot of well of friends and I am not jealous of any of them either so your wrong on both counts ask someone that has met me instead of thinking that you know me | |||
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"the point being missed is.....if the child is disabled then then they normally get Mobility allowance. I know someone who has a car on Mobility for her child, but does exactly what Mznwty says....lets a taxi pick her child up to take her to school while she waves her off. If the car is given to her to aid the mobility of her child, why is the taxi still taking her to school?" Anyone know the answer to this one? | |||
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"I always thought it was means tested to get work done on your house for anyone disabled?" they got work done on both their home here and their holiday home in wales all state funded I assure you but they were both pentioners albeit rich by then so maybe that helped | |||
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"iv worked in care for more years than i really want to think about and familiar with the assesment process and respite etc, but dont see the point of havin a mobility car sittin at the door not gettin used for the purpose its intended for and just seems a waste of very scarce resources. every parent has had the performance at the school gates at some point whether its mainstream children or additional needs! totally agree on the junket trips etc with local authorities and the tea and biscuits bills etc xx yeah the biscuit bills are horendous lol ....thing is mps,councillors etc forget they are just ordinary people and that level of self importance makes em believe they are special and entitled to be treated as such.If as they say .."they just want to serve..." ok let them ,give them the same expenses a normal employee in a average company would get. I mean the pension a newly elected mp gets after 6 months service is crazy even if voted out after 6 months. its time they all got a grip ,maybe a peoples parliament where people serve like jurors do for a fixed term of a year (job protected etc etc) and let the civil service do the general running of the place as they do now eh ., at least it would be more representative..
Sheesh! Why not go the whole hog and make it law that every single person above 18 has to have a day at running things! What ludicrous rubbish.
Better still, why don't you stand for parliament and see how much money you need to do the job. Travelling to London from your constituency, staying overnight because of a late night sitting of the house, visiting different places so you can get a real hands on feel of the job that you do and what still needs to be done. They can't do it from behind a desk, they have to get out there a meet people, and that costs money! Why don't you try it before you moan about what they get for doing a difficult job, and often a thankless one. "i agree a run it for a day concept is ridiculous ,but its not what i said ....your an old hand on here ....you know better than that wishy... .
re the late night sittings they were voted out in 2000 ....
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"MPS LAST night voted to abandon the 150-year-old tradition of late- night sittings in the House of Commons.
They backed an historic package of reforms to end the current 2.30pm start and instead begin business in the Commons at 11.30am on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays. They also agreed to shorter summer breaks and more modern practices such as ensuring questions to ministers were more topical. "
They get over 3 months off per year ,their constituency offices paid for.
If they can pair off they dont even have to turn up and vote .lol
Take a look at how empty the place is during normal debates ,tell me if its so hard, how come loads of them sit on boards and have directorships..?
and how come so many professional people QC's etc strive to get in there?
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"the point being missed is.....if the child is disabled then then they normally get Mobility allowance. I know someone who has a car on Mobility for her child, but does exactly what Mznwty says....lets a taxi pick her child up to take her to school while she waves her off. If the car is given to her to aid the mobility of her child, why is the taxi still taking her to school? Anyone know the answer to this one?" Found this on Mumsnet: http://www.mumsnet.com/special-needs/benefits/help-with-schooling-costs | |||
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"iv worked in care for more years than i really want to think about and familiar with the assesment process and respite etc, but dont see the point of havin a mobility car sittin at the door not gettin used for the purpose its intended for and just seems a waste of very scarce resources. every parent has had the performance at the school gates at some point whether its mainstream children or additional needs! totally agree on the junket trips etc with local authorities and the tea and biscuits bills etc xx yeah the biscuit bills are horendous lol ....thing is mps,councillors etc forget they are just ordinary people and that level of self importance makes em believe they are special and entitled to be treated as such.If as they say .."they just want to serve..." ok let them ,give them the same expenses a normal employee in a average company would get. I mean the pension a newly elected mp gets after 6 months service is crazy even if voted out after 6 months. its time they all got a grip ,maybe a peoples parliament where people serve like jurors do for a fixed term of a year (job protected etc etc) and let the civil service do the general running of the place as they do now eh ., at least it would be more representative..
Sheesh! Why not go the whole hog and make it law that every single person above 18 has to have a day at running things! What ludicrous rubbish.
Better still, why don't you stand for parliament and see how much money you need to do the job. Travelling to London from your constituency, staying overnight because of a late night sitting of the house, visiting different places so you can get a real hands on feel of the job that you do and what still needs to be done. They can't do it from behind a desk, they have to get out there a meet people, and that costs money! Why don't you try it before you moan about what they get for doing a difficult job, and often a thankless one.
i agree a run it for a day concept is ridiculous ,but its not what i said ....your an old hand on here ....you know better than that wishy....
re the late night sittings they were voted out in 2000 ....
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"MPS LAST night voted to abandon the 150-year-old tradition of late- night sittings in the House of Commons.
They backed an historic package of reforms to end the current 2.30pm start and instead begin business in the Commons at 11.30am on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays. They also agreed to shorter summer breaks and more modern practices such as ensuring questions to ministers were more topical. "
They get over 3 months off per year ,their constituency offices paid for.
If they can pair off they dont even have to turn up and vote .lol
Take a look at how empty the place is during normal debates ,tell me if its so hard, how come loads of them sit on boards and have directorships..?
and how come so many professional people QC's etc strive to get in there?
"Ok, thanks for the clarification. I didn't know late night sittings had ended in 2000. Still, if an MP is required for a 9am sitting and he has to travel some distance to be there then it's reasonable to expect him/her to travel the night before and be put up in a hotel. Siren does this all the time when she has to work away. It means she is fresh and ready to work at the time she is required to do so and she isn't susceptible to delays due to train not running on time etc. | |||
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"iv worked in care for more years than i really want to think about and familiar with the assesment process and respite etc, but dont see the point of havin a mobility car sittin at the door not gettin used for the purpose its intended for and just seems a waste of very scarce resources. every parent has had the performance at the school gates at some point whether its mainstream children or additional needs! totally agree on the junket trips etc with local authorities and the tea and biscuits bills etc xx yeah the biscuit bills are horendous lol ....thing is mps,councillors etc forget they are just ordinary people and that level of self importance makes em believe they are special and entitled to be treated as such.If as they say .."they just want to serve..." ok let them ,give them the same expenses a normal employee in a average company would get. I mean the pension a newly elected mp gets after 6 months service is crazy even if voted out after 6 months. its time they all got a grip ,maybe a peoples parliament where people serve like jurors do for a fixed term of a year (job protected etc etc) and let the civil service do the general running of the place as they do now eh ., at least it would be more representative..
Sheesh! Why not go the whole hog and make it law that every single person above 18 has to have a day at running things! What ludicrous rubbish.
Better still, why don't you stand for parliament and see how much money you need to do the job. Travelling to London from your constituency, staying overnight because of a late night sitting of the house, visiting different places so you can get a real hands on feel of the job that you do and what still needs to be done. They can't do it from behind a desk, they have to get out there a meet people, and that costs money! Why don't you try it before you moan about what they get for doing a difficult job, and often a thankless one.
i agree a run it for a day concept is ridiculous ,but its not what i said ....your an old hand on here ....you know better than that wishy....
re the late night sittings they were voted out in 2000 ....
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"MPS LAST night voted to abandon the 150-year-old tradition of late- night sittings in the House of Commons.
They backed an historic package of reforms to end the current 2.30pm start and instead begin business in the Commons at 11.30am on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays. They also agreed to shorter summer breaks and more modern practices such as ensuring questions to ministers were more topical. "
They get over 3 months off per year ,their constituency offices paid for.
If they can pair off they dont even have to turn up and vote .lol
Take a look at how empty the place is during normal debates ,tell me if its so hard, how come loads of them sit on boards and have directorships..?
and how come so many professional people QC's etc strive to get in there?
Ok, thanks for the clarification. I didn't know late night sittings had ended in 2000. Still, if an MP is required for a 9am sitting and he has to travel some distance to be there then it's reasonable to expect him/her to travel the night before and be put up in a hotel.
Siren does this all the time when she has to work away. It means she is fresh and ready to work at the time she is required to do so and she isn't susceptible to delays due to train not running on time etc."Lots of people have to travel for work......if they don't want to do the job, they could look for another. | |||
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