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"craig u needin some oxygen down there?? its no over! as much as im not a fan of gordon, i prefer him to cam the sham but i can honestly see a hung parliament comin! xx" Its over for him lol As for a hung parliament a little dickie bird has told me that many labour ministers are expecting privatley a tory landslide me ill be happy with a majority and a mandate for any party yes i am Tory but i will except whatever the country wants full stop xx | |||
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"lol!! the closest there will be to a tory landslide is if anne widdocomb slips and falls!! its never goin to happen little dude but dont worry il be there to dry your eyes!! you better get little yellow pants to replace those red ones its goin to be a hung parliament mmmmm hung!!! xx" wanna bet xx | |||
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"craig u needin some oxygen down there?? its no over! as much as im not a fan of gordon, i prefer him to cam the sham but i can honestly see a hung parliament comin! xx Its over for him lol As for a hung parliament a little dickie bird has told me that many labour ministers are expecting privatley a tory landslide me ill be happy with a majority and a mandate for any party yes i am Tory but i will except whatever the country wants full stop xx "I don't know what little birdie that is, but I have been at a variety of meetings with cabinet ministers and other MP's and that is not what they are expecting.
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"craig u needin some oxygen down there?? its no over! as much as im not a fan of gordon, i prefer him to cam the sham but i can honestly see a hung parliament comin! xx Its over for him lol As for a hung parliament a little dickie bird has told me that many labour ministers are expecting privatley a tory landslide me ill be happy with a majority and a mandate for any party yes i am Tory but i will except whatever the country wants full stop xx
I don't know what little birdie that is, but I have been at a variety of meetings with cabinet ministers and other MP's and that is not what they are expecting.
Landslide victories are so 1997.;-)"Ok np lol xx | |||
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"yup but not money bet!! i bet you if the tories dont win you will change your pic on here to one with gordon brown on it?? xx "Will do hun np xx  | |||
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"and if torys win il change mine to me with a t shirt with a pic of david vomit inducing cameron!! x" Ya on lol xx | |||
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"its a deal then short arse!!! does cuttin a hole out of t shirt and fake tannin one boob count lol xx "Oi do our political views mean we cant shag one day? lol xx | |||
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"its a deal then short arse!!! does cuttin a hole out of t shirt and fake tannin one boob count lol xx
Oi do our political views mean we cant shag one day? lol xx "as long as you dont mind being bound and gagged and dont wear your i love cam the sham badge lolxx!!! | |||
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"its a deal then short arse!!! does cuttin a hole out of t shirt and fake tannin one boob count lol xx
Oi do our political views mean we cant shag one day? lol xx
as long as you dont mind being bound and gagged and dont wear your i love cam the sham badge lolxx!!! "Deal will ya whip me as well? xxx | |||
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"its a deal then short arse!!! does cuttin a hole out of t shirt and fake tannin one boob count lol xx
Oi do our political views mean we cant shag one day? lol xx
as long as you dont mind being bound and gagged and dont wear your i love cam the sham badge lolxx!!!
Deal will ya whip me as well? xxx "only if you got your tory boys club card with you!! xx | |||
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"awww wishy you been sniffin household cleaners again??? the average labour voter would vote for a monkey before they vote tory!! and you cant dicredit the amount support has surged for lib dems so i wouldnt be countin my chickens before they hatch! you also need to remember a lot of people especially in the old industrial areas have very long memories of what happened the last time under a tory government!! x" Diff'rent strokes hon, those were very different times back then. They said communities would die but up here in Newcastle it's positively thriving. The Quayside has been totally redeveloped and Siren doesn't recognise it from the place she knew as a girl. Many of the small mining villages have become nice places out in the country now and those former miners have long since retired and are living in lovely little villages. We've driven round and seen them, and I'd love to move out of the city and go rural. | |||
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"it just gives us an insite as to how he holds loyal labour suportes in contempt . never mind the rest of the population "Hope those farms are ok or you are for it lol xx | |||
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"awww wishy you been sniffin household cleaners again??? the average labour voter would vote for a monkey before they vote tory!! and you cant dicredit the amount support has surged for lib dems so i wouldnt be countin my chickens before they hatch! you also need to remember a lot of people especially in the old industrial areas have very long memories of what happened the last time under a tory government!! x Diff'rent strokes hon, those were very different times back then. They said communities would die but up here in Newcastle it's positively thriving. The Quayside has been totally redeveloped and Siren doesn't recognise it from the place she knew as a girl. Many of the small mining villages have become nice places out in the country now and those former miners have long since retired and are living in lovely little villages. We've driven round and seen them, and I'd love to move out of the city and go rural." thats urbanisation for ya! i think most of the former miners have died due to conditions they developed from years down a mine working in the most horrid of conditions to be chucked on the scrapheap by maggie and co. they dont forget the ones that have survived believe me i know i live in an old mining area but dont have the rose tinted glasses i see the decay and the impact it has had on people. take a wander round a council housing scheme the legacy lives on xx | |||
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"it just gives us an insite as to how he holds loyal labour suportes in contempt . never mind the rest of the population "Nah it shows he's human, we'd all have something to say when someones moaning or ranting, you just have to look at the forums for that | |||
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"it just gives us an insite as to how he holds loyal labour suportes in contempt . never mind the rest of the population
Hope those farms are ok or you are for it lol xx "both of the girls farms are thriving thanks | |||
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"I have decided to vote for the Icelandic Volcano. It did more to stop illegal immigration in 5 days than Labour have done in the past 13 years. " pmsl.. you got that right!! IV 4 PM!! Yay!!! | |||
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"why should he not say what he really thinks of the women he is a human being after all and doesn't have to like everyone " Yes hes human and yes he is entitled to his opinions However he is a statesmen and other peoples jobs and positions in parliament depend on a lot of what he says If then by accident or design his negative views are aired he is then responsible for that If you depend on people to survive you keep your opinions of them to yourself if you cant do that no matter what pressure you are under then you dont deserve their vote simples xx | |||
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"why should he not say what he really thinks of the women he is a human being after all and doesn't have to like everyone Yes hes human and yes he is entitled to his opinions However he is a statesmen and other peoples jobs and positions in parliament depend on a lot of what he says If then by accident or design his negative views are aired he is then responsible for that If you depend on people to survive you keep your opinions of them to yourself if you cant do that no matter what pressure you are under then you dont deserve their vote simples xx "With all due respect the comments he made were not in public, they were in the privacy of his government car. Not exactly the same as airing your views in public....bit like when John Major got caught out describing his fellow Tories as 'bastards. | |||
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"why should he not say what he really thinks of the women he is a human being after all and doesn't have to like everyone " Because it's just not good form for the Prime Minister to be calling his lifelong Labour supporters derogatory names, regardless if they deserved it or not, it's a vote loser. | |||
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"If then by accident or design his negative views are aired he is then responsible for that" To quote King Leonidis aka Gerard Butler... "Be careful Persian, in Sparta, a man is responsible for his words." I think Gordy the Gaffe has just been kicked down the well hehe | |||
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"why should he not say what he really thinks of the women he is a human being after all and doesn't have to like everyone Yes hes human and yes he is entitled to his opinions However he is a statesmen and other peoples jobs and positions in parliament depend on a lot of what he says If then by accident or design his negative views are aired he is then responsible for that If you depend on people to survive you keep your opinions of them to yourself if you cant do that no matter what pressure you are under then you dont deserve their vote simples xx
With all due respect the comments he made were not in public, they were in the privacy of his government car.
Not exactly the same as airing your views in public....bit like when John Major got caught out describing his fellow Tories as 'bastards."Agreed with the major thing but in this day and age of technology then he should know better His personal veiews were aired as i said in my first post by accident he is still responsible for that | |||
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"Does beg the question though....would Sky have run the story quite so quickly if it had been David Cameron who said something like this?, or would they have had to spend hours or days running it across their bosses?" Oh for sure they would have. Their game is oneupmanship with the BBC. They wouldn't have given a toss who screwed up so long as someone did. Some of the election commentators have been saying that this is the gaffe they'd been waiting for. They suspected one of them would make one and were ready for it. | |||
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"I think Gordy the Gaffe has just been kicked down the well hehe "A bit like Chris Grayling hey? Have we seen him throughout this election? | |||
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"why should he not say what he really thinks of the women he is a human being after all and doesn't have to like everyone Because it's just not good form for the Prime Minister to be calling his lifelong Labour supporters derogatory names, regardless if they deserved it or not, it's a vote loser. " like thatcher being thrown out by her own supporters that lost them votes but I disagree He simply forgot he was stil miked up and said what he really thought as did she he is human humans make mistakes Hes not like the tories who still think all the working class should have state schools not private ones The tories believe in not mixing with the lower classes at every available opportunity | |||
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"Does beg the question though....would Sky have run the story quite so quickly if it had been David Cameron who said something like this?, or would they have had to spend hours or days running it across their bosses?" News is news lol xx | |||
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"why should he not say what he really thinks of the women he is a human being after all and doesn't have to like everyone Because it's just not good form for the Prime Minister to be calling his lifelong Labour supporters derogatory names, regardless if they deserved it or not, it's a vote loser. like thatcher being thrown out by her own supporters that lost them votes but I disagree He simply forgot he was stil miked up and said what he really thought as did she he is human humans make mistakes Hes not like the tories who still think all the working class should have state schools not private ones The tories believe in not mixing with the lower classes at every available opportunity " You are trying to deflect a Gordy Gaffe by mentioning.... Thatcher??... state schools??... lower class?? ... he screwed up, admit it. Thousands of Labour supporters up and down the country are cringing at the moment as they've just seen all hope of a Labour victory cruise past them down the Swanee. The man fucked it up. A week before polling day. He's a liability, and that's being kind to him. | |||
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"just goes to show what these polititions really think about the voters in this country" I like him all the more for recognising bigotry when he sees it. He was bloody stupid for leaving his mic on ..... Doesn't make any difference to me who is in power. It has never changed my life for better or worse who ever runs the country. | |||
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"just goes to show what these polititions really think about the voters in this country I like him all the more for recognising bigotry when he sees it. He was bloody stupid for leaving his mic on ..... Doesn't make any difference to me who is in power. It has never changed my life for better or worse who ever runs the country. " By that i mean im not wealthy enough for it to make a difference. | |||
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"Not even Prince Phillip could have pulled off such a well timed gaffe as GB did today Well done Mr Brown, Bravo ! Goodbye Labour Government .. looks for hand waving icon but it's not there .." We need a weeping icon....if the Tories creep past the post next week we have the smiley icons for the fairweather Tories on here.....give it a few months and a few Tory shocks for the nation, a bit more wealth redistribution to the well heeled in the land.....and we will need a weepy icon for them. | |||
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"why should he not say what he really thinks of the women he is a human being after all and doesn't have to like everyone Because it's just not good form for the Prime Minister to be calling his lifelong Labour supporters derogatory names, regardless if they deserved it or not, it's a vote loser. like thatcher being thrown out by her own supporters that lost them votes but I disagree He simply forgot he was stil miked up and said what he really thought as did she he is human humans make mistakes Hes not like the tories who still think all the working class should have state schools not private ones The tories believe in not mixing with the lower classes at every available opportunity You are trying to deflect a Gordy Gaffe by mentioning.... Thatcher??... state schools??... lower class?? ... he screwed up, admit it. Thousands of Labour supporters up and down the country are cringing at the moment as they've just seen all hope of a Labour victory cruise past them down the Swanee. The man fucked it up. A week before polling day. He's a liability, and that's being kind to him." I'm afraid I don't think people are as fickle as you think. We all make mistakes, even those responsible for running the country. The proof of the pudding is in how it is dealt with. Tomorrow's litter tray liner | |||
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"LMAO at the lifelong labour supporter snippet, who seen her voting? Who can confirm this? Apart from the press of course, got sore sides here laughing "lol quoting Gordon he stated in the car that "she used to vote Labour". To quote her "I'd be ashamed now to say I'm Labour" I never read too much in to it, can so easily be edited and rehashed, plus just moving a comma in a newspaper report can give something a whole new meaning. | |||
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"LMAO at the lifelong labour supporter snippet, who seen her voting? Who can confirm this? Apart from the press of course, got sore sides here laughing "Now you confirm she ISN'T? She said she was and nobody has any reason to disbelieve her, an election is a secret ballot and she didn't have to disclose who she voted for. There are no grounds on which to base your flawed analysis. | |||
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"LMAO at the lifelong labour supporter snippet, who seen her voting? Who can confirm this? Apart from the press of course, got sore sides here laughing "She actually said it herself when she first met Gordon this afternoon xx ( i watched the meeting as well) | |||
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"emm what about the seikh guy in the bnp political broadcast???? the way things are for a few quid most people would say anythin!! but i think she probably has been a labour supporter at some point in her life..... remember people can change allegiance its not set in stone xx" Oooohhh ya little conspiracy theorist you lol xxxx  | |||
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"emm what about the seikh guy in the bnp political broadcast???? the way things are for a few quid most people would say anythin!! but i think she probably has been a labour supporter at some point in her life..... remember people can change allegiance its not set in stone xx Oooohhh ya little conspiracy theorist you lol xxxx "nah just cynical!!!
things are so media related now i wouldnt be surprised if the old dear had been offered a wee bung but i do think its been a genuine thing xx | |||
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"emm what about the seikh guy in the bnp political broadcast???? the way things are for a few quid most people would say anythin!! but i think she probably has been a labour supporter at some point in her life..... remember people can change allegiance its not set in stone xx Oooohhh ya little conspiracy theorist you lol xxxx
nah just cynical!!!
things are so media related now i wouldnt be surprised if the old dear had been offered a wee bung but i do think its been a genuine thing xx"Cynical over media reporting but why? They have to tell the truth lol xxxx | |||
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"emm what about the seikh guy in the bnp political broadcast???? the way things are for a few quid most people would say anythin!! but i think she probably has been a labour supporter at some point in her life..... remember people can change allegiance its not set in stone xx Oooohhh ya little conspiracy theorist you lol xxxx
nah just cynical!!!
things are so media related now i wouldnt be surprised if the old dear had been offered a wee bung but i do think its been a genuine thing xx
Cynical over media reporting but why?
They have to tell the truth lol xxxx"im worried about your oxygen levels short arse!!!! !
the media hold the power and influence they reach far..... maybe someone check her nephew not a certain r murdoch...... xx | |||
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"duh we know it was your attempt at humour and you meant it tongue in cheek..... i worry about you short arse i really do!!! xx "So do I lol xxx | |||
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"I have actually been waiting ta see if anyone would pick up on the Sue thing gad i wasnt the only one that noticed that xxx "methinks sue might be on tea duty for a while now lol! x | |||
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"Reading the last few comments, why are people questioning this lady? She has done nothing wrong and the usual protagonists are calling her a liar! This is NOT her fault, in fact she didn't know about it until she was told by the press. Don't try your dirty tricks to try and make Gordon Clown look better." im not callin her a liar im just cynical towards these things its called thinking outside the box? i know its an unusual thing and not appreciated by many but tough!! xx | |||
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"Can't believe that all these years after Maggie was in power that she is still brought up in these posts! Now that IS fame! lol This lady did not in any way show ignorance of the EU immigration laws! She merely questioned the amount of Eastern Europeans that have come into GB.. I would think a lot of people would want to know why the current government allowed this to happen! To bring up how many Brits live in Europe is puerile at best. No one is questioning the policy of other countries, it is the "open door" policy of this failed government that was being questioned! For all the protestations of the Labour supporters, it doesn't matter if it was supposed to be a private comment or not. If that is how he feels, we have a need to know that or it is not a true vote. Anyone who would still vote for Gordon Clown now..... Now all that has to happen is remember that whoever gets in, there will be a very hard time ahead. Maggie was elected and she told everyone that it would get worse before it got better, but everyone forgot why we were in that state in Maggies first Parliament." The government can do very little as regards movement of labour and/or dwelling within the EU so quite why you query why Labour allowed this to happen escapes me.... | |||
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"The government can do very little as regards movement of labour and/or dwelling within the EU so quite why you query why Labour allowed this to happen escapes me...." It's simple really if you think about it! Labour under Gordon Clown had the right to defer the influx of Eastern Block migrants for two years, they chose to let them in straight away, unlike other European countries! Throughout our membership, we had a veto on most things we didn't want and we could have vetoed the inclusion of or placed restrictions on the new countries that joined the EU. That veto was not used! At the last election, it was in the Labour manifesto to have a referendum on the "constitution" of Europe. That never happened and we now have no rights to veto decisions that should be British decisions! This problem has only sprung up in the last 5/6 years... Lets see, who was in power then???? Which party could have stopped it happening or at least put up a good fight! We should follow Americas lead and introduce a strict visa system for anyone who wants to enter the UK, even for holidays! Immigration has been good for the UK, but we are broke, overcrowded and losing our identity, so enough is enough! | |||
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"Jeeze all the guy did was mumble a comment... like none of the other party leader (or us for that matter) don't do the same ffs. It's only the media making such a big fecking issue out of it (oh and those who allow the media to dictate how they should feel)." If his mic had been off none of would be any the wiser, but it wasn't off and we heard everything he said. He didn't go back to Rochdale under some sense of remorse for the woman he insulted, he did it to save face to the other 35m people he's asking to keep him in his job. His only regret was that he got caught. The man is an arrogant buffoon and that's a dangerous combination to have in a leader. Bring on the Clegg-Cameron Cousins! | |||
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"The government can do very little as regards movement of labour and/or dwelling within the EU so quite why you query why Labour allowed this to happen escapes me.... It's simple really if you think about it! Labour under Gordon Clown had the right to defer the influx of Eastern Block migrants for two years, they chose to let them in straight away, unlike other European countries! Throughout our membership, we had a veto on most things we didn't want and we could have vetoed the inclusion of or placed restrictions on the new countries that joined the EU. That veto was not used! At the last election, it was in the Labour manifesto to have a referendum on the "constitution" of Europe. That never happened and we now have no rights to veto decisions that should be British decisions! This problem has only sprung up in the last 5/6 years... Lets see, who was in power then???? Which party could have stopped it happening or at least put up a good fight! We should follow Americas lead and introduce a strict visa system for anyone who wants to enter the UK, even for holidays! Immigration has been good for the UK, but we are broke, overcrowded and losing our identity, so enough is enough!" In order to impose a visa system on European citizens we would need to leave the EU, and that's another subject completely. The only two countries that took up the Two Year Opt Out for Poland, Slovakia and Lithuania were Spain and Portugal, both of which dropped this Opt Out before the first year had passed. The main reason that Blair (it wasn't Brown) never took up the Opt Out was because of pressure from the CBI, the simple fact is that British Industry didn't want to miss out on the opportunities that opening factories in Poland and Slovakia offered. As soon as SEAT cars wanted to open a new engine plane in Slovakia the parent company Volkswagon encouraged the German government to apply pressure on Spain to drop their Opt Out veto. Spain resisted for a few months until Volkswagon threatened to remove all SEAT car production from mainland Spain. It is never as simple as it seems, Britain never chose to step back from the Two year Opt Out on a whim, they did so after discussions with the CBI and other parties. Immigration from countries outside the EU is of course a concern for us all, but even that needs to be allowed to a certain extent because we still need certain skills that other nationalities can offer. | |||
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"The only thing Gordon Brown did wrong was to trust Sky News, a company who`s founder is actively supporting the Conservatives who in turn want the supremecy of the BBC reduced, control his michrophone!" The only thing he did wrong was being hypocritical, arrogant and he was stupid enough to leave the mic on his jacket - it wasn't exactly sneaked on there was it? Z | |||
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"He expressed an opinion with which one may or may agree - why is it that he is being hunted for that? Is it because as a politician he is not entitled to express his frustration especially after weeks and weeks of tiring electoral campaigning? I am not expressing an opinion here - I am asking a question. "Every one is allowed to express an opinion - however - he is in a position from which he needs to be more 'careful' if you will, than us - he was extremely disparaging about a loyal Labour supporter and quite wrongly in my opinion as she certainly didn't come across as a bigot to me! and of course he is being 'hunted' - it's an election and the other parties would not let a slip like that go un noticed - he certainly would have put the boot in if one of the other leaders had said that! Z | |||
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"He expressed an opinion with which one may or may agree - why is it that he is being hunted for that? Is it because as a politician he is not entitled to express his frustration especially after weeks and weeks of tiring electoral campaigning? I am not expressing an opinion here - I am asking a question.
Every one is allowed to express an opinion - however - he is in a position from which he needs to be more 'careful' if you will, than us - he was extremely disparaging about a loyal Labour supporter and quite wrongly in my opinion as she certainly didn't come across as a bigot to me! and of course he is being 'hunted' - it's an election and the other parties would not let a slip like that go un noticed - he certainly would have put the boot in if one of the other leaders had said that! Z"Ok can see where you are coming from - it is not so much what he said but more WHO said it and how publicly and in the context of the imminent election that is bugging people then. | |||
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"He expressed an opinion with which one may or may agree - why is it that he is being hunted for that? Is it because as a politician he is not entitled to express his frustration especially after weeks and weeks of tiring electoral campaigning? I am not expressing an opinion here - I am asking a question.
Every one is allowed to express an opinion - however - he is in a position from which he needs to be more 'careful' if you will, than us - he was extremely disparaging about a loyal Labour supporter and quite wrongly in my opinion as she certainly didn't come across as a bigot to me! and of course he is being 'hunted' - it's an election and the other parties would not let a slip like that go un noticed - he certainly would have put the boot in if one of the other leaders had said that! Z
Ok can see where you are coming from - it is not so much what he said but more WHO said it and how publicly and in the context of the imminent election that is bugging people then. "Well, WHAT he said was important but in the context of who he is, who he had just been talking to and of course as you say, with the small matter of the election - why on earth should he label someone a 'bigot' for simply raising issues that the majority of the voters are interested in? Z | |||
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"Can't believe that all these years after Maggie was in power that she is still brought up in these posts! Now that IS fame! lol" We'd say INFAMY as rather than fame!
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"If this woman has an ounce of dignity about her she will donate that money to something more useful like the Help for Heroes charity the minute she gets her cheque from The Mail. I think she is more likely to use it to buy a small flat in Salou....even though she has so many problems with other Europeans coming to this country. The woman has very little decency about her.... " AGREED so maybe he was right to instinctively feel something negative about her But she never asked for the insult But who in all honesty would turn down the cash for the interview | |||
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" why arent these papers payin military personnell who lose limbs etc for their stories a real decent story not just one that some tube says stuff that probably every politician has said at some point but had brains to make sure mic was off!! " Because, the longer the war goes on and the more personnel are injured, the less news worthy it becomes. Yet another soldier injured isn't bringing in the idiots who read the tabloids...... Gordon committing a faux pas ... is! Sorry, thats the way it is. I work for the Military and it makes me sick to the stomach that our boys go without when egotistical, shameless trollops like this woman are racking it in just because they've 'had their pride hurt' I just want a government that will give our military what THEY need.! | |||
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"way it is. I work for the Military and it makes me sick to the stomach that our boys go without when egotistical, shameless trollops like this woman are racking it in just because they've 'had their pride hurt' " How is this woman a trollop? She never asked Gordy the Gaffe to insult her, she didn't deserve it either. All he did was to ask him about things that we've all wanted answers to yet now someone's giving her some money she's villified as some money grabbing scumbag. Yet again, when it comes to money it seems that jealousy rears its ugly head once more and that the only way for some people to feel good about anything is for HER to give the money away. Why the fuck should she. | |||
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" I just want a government that will give our military what THEY need.!" I'm sorry to say that is not the way it works. Soldiers get the minimum kit, while money is poured into high value, high prestige capital programs. this is the way it has always been and it will continue that way until budget and procurement is taken away from civil servants and given to the armed forces (and that just will not happen). As a result troops will continue to be issued with sub standard, obsolete and semi obsolete equipment until Whitehall itself is threatened. After all the troops get paid and if they want better boots and Armour they can buy it out of their own money! It was like this in my day, it is like this now, it will not change! | |||
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" I just want a government that will give our military what THEY need.! I'm sorry to say that is not the way it works. Soldiers get the minimum kit, while money is poured into high value, high prestige capital programs. this is the way it has always been and it will continue that way until budget and procurement is taken away from civil servants and given to the armed forces (and that just will not happen). As a result troops will continue to be issued with sub standard, obsolete and semi obsolete equipment until Whitehall itself is threatened. After all the troops get paid and if they want better boots and Armour they can buy it out of their own money! It was like this in my day, it is like this now, it will not change! " You are talking out of your arse pal. My brother is over in Afghanistan at this moment in time and in lengthy conversations I've had with him whenever I mention equipment shortages he just says, "Don't believe all the bullshit you read. We've got what we need and we don't need what the Americans have got (Mobile McDonalds etc etc)". He's there now, on the ground, doing his job. I guess that qualifies as an 'expert' opinion, doesn't it? | |||
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" so soldiers are all well equipped and this is just a story the media have made up?xx" In a word. Yes. And that's from someone out there fighting. Not me. | |||
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"You are talking out of your arse pal. My brother is over in Afghanistan at this moment in time and in lengthy conversations I've had with him whenever I mention equipment shortages he just says, "Don't believe all the bullshit you read. We've got what we need and we don't need what the Americans have got (Mobile McDonalds etc etc)". He's there now, on the ground, doing his job. I guess that qualifies as an 'expert' opinion, doesn't it?" I did not mention "mobile Mc" or any of that sort of crap! However as for not needing US equipment that is rubbish! The yanks call us "the borrowers" because of the amount of equipment we scrounge off them, if you don't believe me, do some research and look up the amount of stuff we have officially "loaned" including the 7000+(last time I heard) .50 cal heavy machine-guns! As for your brother, he is in a war-zone, he is subject to DCI's, UKLF Standing Orders, Theater Standing Orders, Regimental Standing Orders, Squadron/Company/Div Standing Orders, Daily Orders and The Official Secrets Act. All his communications will be monitored, I am sure that among all that will be multiple orders not to reveal any equipment shortfalls or inadequacies and funnily enough our troops are extremely disciplined and obey orders. That is why those outside the forces hardly hear any complaints. When I was in we did not complain and when asked by those outside about life we never told the truth, firstly to protect our family and friends and secondly because we obeyed orders! Of course I will defer to your extensive military service (through others), and accept that the reason the armed forces are unable to retain troops and that so many ex forces personal and coroners blame losses on lack of and faulty/ sub standard equipment is because they do not have your insight. | |||
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" You are talking out of your arse pal. My brother is over in Afghanistan at this moment in time and in lengthy conversations I've had with him whenever I mention equipment shortages he just says, "Don't believe all the bullshit you read. We've got what we need and we don't need what the Americans have got (Mobile McDonalds etc etc)". He's there now, on the ground, doing his job. I guess that qualifies as an 'expert' opinion, doesn't it?" Our good friend came back from Afghanistan on Monday, having been there for almost Seven months with the Rifles. He gets very annoyed when people rattle on about kit shortages, according to him the only real shortage in kit is helicopters. In fact there are certain bits of British kit that the Americans and Canadians pay top money for over there, according to our friend there were problems with boots and webbing on his previous tour but these have been rectified. This time he took an extra dozen khaki t-shirts and some thermals for cold nights but the kit shortage stories are often exaggerated. | |||
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"You are talking out of your arse pal. My brother is over in Afghanistan at this moment in time and in lengthy conversations I've had with him whenever I mention equipment shortages he just says, "Don't believe all the bullshit you read. We've got what we need and we don't need what the Americans have got (Mobile McDonalds etc etc)". He's there now, on the ground, doing his job. I guess that qualifies as an 'expert' opinion, doesn't it? I did not mention "mobile Mc" or any of that sort of crap! However as for not needing US equipment that is rubbish! The yanks call us "the borrowers" because of the amount of equipment we scrounge off them, if you don't believe me, do some research and look up the amount of stuff we have officially "loaned" including the 7000+(last time I heard) .50 cal heavy machine-guns! As for your brother, he is in a war-zone, he is subject to DCI's, UKLF Standing Orders, Theater Standing Orders, Regimental Standing Orders, Squadron/Company/Div Standing Orders, Daily Orders and The Official Secrets Act. All his communications will be monitored, I am sure that among all that will be multiple orders not to reveal any equipment shortfalls or inadequacies and funnily enough our troops are extremely disciplined and obey orders. That is why those outside the forces hardly hear any complaints. When I was in we did not complain and when asked by those outside about life we never told the truth, firstly to protect our family and friends and secondly because we obeyed orders! Of course I will defer to your extensive military service (through others), and accept that the reason the armed forces are unable to retain troops and that so many ex forces personal and coroners blame losses on lack of and faulty/ sub standard equipment is because they do not have your insight." Sorry but you are wrong about communications being monitored from Helmand, my hubby spoke to our friend on a couple of occasions during his tour because he has no family to contact. | |||
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" I did not mention "mobile Mc" or any of that sort of crap! However as for not needing US equipment that is rubbish! The yanks call us "the borrowers" because of the amount of equipment we scrounge off them, if you don't believe me, do some research and look up the amount of stuff we have officially "loaned" including the 7000+(last time I heard) .50 cal heavy machine-guns! As for your brother, he is in a war-zone, he is subject to DCI's, UKLF Standing Orders, Theater Standing Orders, Regimental Standing Orders, Squadron/Company/Div Standing Orders, Daily Orders and The Official Secrets Act. All his communications will be monitored, I am sure that among all that will be multiple orders not to reveal any equipment shortfalls or inadequacies and funnily enough our troops are extremely disciplined and obey orders. That is why those outside the forces hardly hear any complaints. When I was in we did not complain and when asked by those outside about life we never told the truth, firstly to protect our family and friends and secondly because we obeyed orders! Of course I will defer to your extensive military service (through others), and accept that the reason the armed forces are unable to retain troops and that so many ex forces personal and coroners blame losses on lack of and faulty/ sub standard equipment is because they do not have your insight." I refer you to the posts above from Jane. You like to think you know everything but most of what you post is info you've copied from elsewhere and you are nothing but an armchair warrior. | |||
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"But then again, if Gordon had called me a bigot, I'd have voted BNP just to piss him off........ not gone running to the papers to line my own pockets!" I'd have taken the £80k. Definately. That's my two kids through Uni with no debts at the end of it. | |||
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" All his communications will be monitored, I am sure that among all that will be multiple orders not to reveal any equipment shortfalls or inadequacies and funnily enough our troops are extremely disciplined and obey orders. That is why those outside the forces hardly hear any complaints. When I was in we did not complain and when asked by those outside about life we never told the truth, firstly to protect our family and friends and secondly because we obeyed orders! " Personal communications are NOT monitored, even from the war zone. I work with the front line military, those on their way to and on their way back from war. Not one has ever complained about shortages other than that of helicopters and even that is a divided opinion. The military has changed since you were apprently in it mate. Don't confuse what you went through with Ireland, Bosnia, Falklands (possibley) etc, with what is happening today in Afghanistan etc. Totally different wars, totally different reasons, totally different terrain.....different equipment needed. Unless you have been out to Afghanistan or work within the departments that work with and supply the front line, you have no idea what they need and what the exact position is. | |||
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"It appears Mrs Duffy is herself an immigrant, spending half the year in her apartment in Spain. Pot, kettle and black comes to mind. "She can spend the whole year there now thanks to the Daily Slime | |||
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