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By *ignbouncybabe OP Woman
over a year ago

birmingham

Has anyone else got a child about to sit their sats in may ?. I'm sick and tired of the school pressurising my lad with booster classes and 2 hours of homework every night to get better results. He's not behind he's expected to get straight 5's but no thats not good enough they want 5a's, he's gone from a carefree lad to being a nervous wreck suffering migranes and unable to sleep for worrying about his results all this so the school tables look good.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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It used to annoy me when my kids were at school for the same reasons.

It is supposed to be an idea of how the child is doing at school, so the teachers treat it like an exam and cram in as much revision as they can to inflate the results.

That obviously isn't a true reflection of what the child is achieving.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Am I reading this right? Do my eyes decieve me?

A child is getting a Class 1 education and is in the bracket for straight As... and you're moaning about it???

Jesus, there's no pleasing some people. Why not give him a few hours off to go out and find some mieow mieow to swallow with his newly found hoody mates as they wrench the mirors of some poor hapless neighbour's car.

My 12y/o is a straight A too and I make damn sure she keeps to that standard as I've explained just what lies ahead of her when she leaves school. Maybe you should try the same.

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By *ignbouncybabe OP Woman
over a year ago

birmingham

My sentiments exactly, he was scared to go to school this morning in case his homework wasnt good enough and he got shouted at. I'm waiting to calm down before I phone the school....

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"My sentiments exactly, he was scared to go to school this morning in case his homework wasnt good enough and he got shouted at. I'm waiting to calm down before I phone the school...."

Yes I had the same with mine, they panicked because the teachers were putting so much pressure and importance on it.

If it is meant to be a reflection of how the kids are doing at school then making the kids do extra work isn't a true reflection.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My daughter was attacked and raped at 13 by a guy at school, then faced 4 more years of bullying and torment.

I wished the school put more pressure on them achieving results through education rather than who is the toughest back then.

She twice attemted to take her own life, and one of the girls in her circle of friends succeeded after a couple of years of the same abuse.

What has the school done since. Put locks on the doors, barbed wire on the perimeter fence, staff ptrol th interior grounds wit h2-way radios during break times.

Yes give me a the pressure of an education anytime to the pressure of knowing I'm going to survive through the day without another beating or a knife at my throat.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I apologise for being a bit harsh there but my mum told me at the weekend that many years ago one of my junior school teachers made an off th cuff remark about me being 'a prime minister in the making' if I was handled correctly.

I wasn't.

My father was forever tinkering under a car or down the pub and I've always felt that I've never lived up to my true potential. I was a child and he should have pushed me further than I thought I could go. But he didn't.

My daughter is smarter than I ever was at that age and I know what she's capable of even if she doesn;'t so I intend to make sure she gets the best education as possible so that in years to come she can look back and say, "Thanks dad."

I wish I could say the same to the waste of space that sired me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Am I reading this right? Do my eyes decieve me?

A child is getting a Class 1 education and is in the bracket for straight As... and you're moaning about it???

My 12y/o is a straight A too and I make damn sure she keeps to that standard as I've explained just what lies ahead of her when she leaves school. Maybe you should try the same.

But it dont always do them good tho to have that much pressure put on them, some children just cant handle it, my eldest child is overly inteligent she sat her GCSE's early hand had finished them by the time she was 13, and then the head wanted to get her onto her A levels, problem is she dropped out of school soon as she was 16, she'd come home crying nearly every night, the pressure the school put on her was to much and i was treated like a uncaring mother when i told them to stop it, all i got was...dont you want whats best for your child etc etc

we all do, but being on the verge of a break down at 14 isnt the best for noone, i feel because the school pushed her to much they actually lost her her education because now shes not interested in going to uni at all, where as if they had just left her to do it at her own pace i feel she would have gone much further with her education and got a damn good job out of it, it dont make you a bad parent to want your children to be children while they young they have the rest of their lifes to live under stress and pressure lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My daughter was attacked and raped at 13 by a guy at school, then faced 4 more years of bullying and torment.

I wished the school put more pressure on them achieving results through education rather than who is the toughest back then.

She twice attemted to take her own life, and one of the girls in her circle of friends succeeded after a couple of years of the same abuse.

What has the school done since. Put locks on the doors, barbed wire on the perimeter fence, staff ptrol th interior grounds wit h2-way radios during break times.

Yes give me a the pressure of an education anytime to the pressure of knowing I'm going to survive through the day without another beating or a knife at my throat.

I have no idea at all what that post has to do with the thread

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"I apologise for being a bit harsh there but my mum told me at the weekend that many years ago one of my junior school teachers made an off th cuff remark about me being 'a prime minister in the making' if I was handled correctly.

I wasn't.

I wish I could say the same to the waste of space that sired me."

I can fully understand what you mean wishy.....but I think the Sats are totally different.

I am sure most decent parents would want to help their children get a decent education, I know we did.

My two were clever kids at school, and the teachers recognised this and pushed them how teachers do, and they have turned out one having done a degree and one about to finish....but I was still annoyed that when the sats came around, they tried to inflate the figures for their school by pushing up the homework and revision classes... whats all that about, Sats are not meant to be exams they are meant to be a reflection on how a child is doing at a certain age.

to me it just looks like too much pressure to make the school statistics look healthier.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They have a 'Young & Gifted' program in schools these days whereby the top 5% of kids are identified and deliberately given extra to do. The scheme hasn't been pulled out of thin air and its been developed over several years with careful analysis of what these kids are capable of so they know just how much extra work they can load on them without risking burn out.

My daughter in her school's Y&G program and we assist the school in her after school studies by making sure she completes the work, but its' not all about sitting her down whith piles of books at the dining table for hours on end. We get the pc out, do some research online ,show her how to set things out before committing anything to paper and she absolutely loves it.

If she starts to feel a bit stressed out at any point, we let the school know and they lighten up for a week or so to give her some breathing space. Then I'll take her shopping for clothes, and as you know, any female loves that more than anything else lol.

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By *ignbouncybabe OP Woman
over a year ago

birmingham

My Uncle was a professor he lectured all over europe he crammed himself with knowledge always striving to do better. He ended up having a breakdown and lived the rest of his life like a recluse shunning family and rarely leaving the house. Sorry but thats not what I want for my child. He is encouraged to do his very best but not to the point where it makes him ill, and no he does not hang out with hoodys and break mirrors on neighbours cars he's been brought up to no right from wrong.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"..and no he does not hang out with hoodys and break mirrors on neighbours cars he's been brought up to no right from wrong."

I wasn't suggesting he was, it was an analogy to how he could be if left to his own devices like some of these street kids are. Kids are like puppies and need continual training, the moment you relax they let their standards slip coz its more fun to go out a kick a ball around than sit down and do homework. Its all about striking the right balance I suppose.

No insults were intended and I apolgise if I offended you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My Uncle was a professor he lectured all over europe he crammed himself with knowledge always striving to do better. He ended up having a breakdown and lived the rest of his life like a recluse shunning family and rarely leaving the house. Sorry but thats not what I want for my child. He is encouraged to do his very best but not to the point where it makes him ill, and no he does not hang out with hoodys and break mirrors on neighbours cars he's been brought up to no right from wrong."

At the end of the day your child is just that, its YOUR child, what you say as a parent over rights the school, we all want the best for our kids and as a whole take advice on whats best to help them, but we know our children better than anyome else and if we feel something is just to much for them its our job to step in, ok so they may not do quite as well as they could but education isnt limited to school, there's collage and uni you have a life time to get what you want, if you really want it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My daughter was attacked and raped at 13 by a guy at school, then faced 4 more years of bullying and torment.

I wished the school put more pressure on them achieving results through education rather than who is the toughest back then.

She twice attemted to take her own life, and one of the girls in her circle of friends succeeded after a couple of years of the same abuse.

What has the school done since. Put locks on the doors, barbed wire on the perimeter fence, staff ptrol th interior grounds wit h2-way radios during break times.

Yes give me a the pressure of an education anytime to the pressure of knowing I'm going to survive through the day without another beating or a knife at my throat.

OMG that is so awful and as a mum I really really feel for you. Nobody and in particular no child should ever undergo this kind of trauma.

Education is important in an ever more competitive world, however, and this may sound a strange comment to make on a swing site...

I believe we (society and each one of us) need to address the problem of family break-down. Not necessarily the traditional family unit, it can come in many shapes or forms. I am talking about the safe, secure environment where each child should feel loved , wanted and not worry about having their basic needs met for food, warmth, shelter, affection and... education is also part of that.

In an improved environment all our children will grown, learn and become the responsible adults we want them to be.. thus creating a better society...

I am a realist... and what I said above does not stop me from striving for those aims?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i dont think a swingers site is the appropriate place to talk about kids!!

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"i dont think a swingers site is the appropriate place to talk about kids!!"

Not if it contained paedophilia no....but this isn't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i know the scottish education system different to the english one but i know the stress i was under when i was a teeneager sittin exams!!

best way my mum found was a 2 hrs after school then out with friends to youthclub or whatever then another 2 hrs before bed this was all wk then a few hours studyin on a sun nite!

i know my nephew sittin his exams shortly and he is a nervous wreck we had tears tantrums the lot as he feels overwhelmed but he started doin the few hrs every nite as well as his social life and it seems to have eased the pressure a wee bit on him.

sometimes we dont see the stress kids are under with exams and how they can be pushed to breaking point by people pushin at them then they rebel.

good luck to all of them and please explain its no the end of the world if somethin goes wrong xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i dont think a swingers site is the appropriate place to talk about kids!!"

most of us have them and are open about it as it is a fact of life that we have lives outside of swinging.

there is never anythin untoward said about kids.xx

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

Bolton

"i dont think a swingers site is the appropriate place to talk about kids!!"

lol - it's a forum - should we not also talk about - shoes - cooking - telly programmes - music - job worries - being happy to be alive - etc - etc -

I think that it's up to parents to make sure their children are dealing with the stresses of school - I have always told my son to do his best and just a little bit extra - he's a bright lad and should do well but with support and understanding

the gifted and talented idea is terrible - the head master at my son's school doesn't agree with it - it just takes the top %age perhaps 5% performing pupils and singles them out for preferential treatment - but in a school full off blockheads there would still be a %age of gifted and talented students! Oh and the worst performing pupils also get special treats - so the normal, keep steady and working hard pupils are left in the middle! Dead fair! Z

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By *adchickCouple
over a year ago

Cyprus

I feel for the Op.

My son is doing is GCSE's, with and expect 15 A*'s.

The pressure is turning him into a nervous wreck and the gifted and talented programme (all my kids were in it) puts on more pressure as he's already done his maths, french and english and he's now doing them at AS as well as the rest at GCSE.

He does a straight 2 hours a night, 5 hours a day at the weekends and an extra hour after school.

But like I tell him, in 8 weeks it will all be over and he can party and chill with his mates.......... until A levels start in September.

With A's and then Uni, it's a wonder our kids don't become blithering wrecks before their 20's!

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By *ishful.thinkingWoman
over a year ago

east london

Ok I’ve several things I like to add to this and none are meant to be see as the last word rather just my slant on the subject

I was one of those kids who was not expected to do anything nor make anything of themselves after leaving school, at career guidance I was directed towards jobs rather than careers. I was always told I could do better or wasn't trying hard enough, why because I had difficulty expressing my ideas in writing, the result I switched off and disengaged. It wasn’t until I found something I loved (Anthropology) that I was prepared to fight for that we discovered I was dyslexic. But the biggest problem I had was not reading or writing but myself belief. Labelling people especially children has to be one of the most damaging things that can be done. Whether we realise it or not many subconsciously take on board the negative feedback so much so that it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. The damage that was done to me through school is still with me, I will avoid all types of report writing but will stand up in front of hundreds of conference goers and present papers with confidence and real joy. Every day I have to fight my inclination to run from aspects of my job I find intimidating.

Now I've a bright bubbly daughter who is about to do SAT'S, she's expected to get 5a in English and a 5c/b in Maths, she does 30 min homework a week and is part of the G&T scheme. We seriously spoke to the school about withdrawing her from these as both of us are against making young kids jump through hoops for the sake of it. We both returned to education late (mid 20s and early 30s) and we both work in HE settings so understand the importance of doing well, however the SATs mean nothing - they are an indicator of a schools ability to implement governmental strategies not of true ability of the child involved. Many of the children in her school are recent migrants with English as a second language - the tests do not measure how far that child has come. Its actually the same with many IQ tests they are cultural specific so do not reflect actual ability.

Ironically I now work with 3rd level students and we are finding that the vast majority are not initially equipped with the skill set needed to successfully complete degrees. It’s not just the Uni I work at that’s worried about this, its now being acknowledged a sector wide problem. Schools are coaching students to pass exams and not equipping them to think through the issues at hand, learning by rote will not help them at level 3. We are having to invest heavily in skills and imbed these into the curriculum. So in essence we are having to teach students how to think for themselves and not be afraid to have and express their own opinions.

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By *umpkinMan
over a year ago

near the sounds of the wimborne quarter jack!

I`m of the age where what you did at school was what you did. No pushing by teachers or parents but encouragement given when it was going to do good. I did my best and ended up with a few CSEs, was put foward for an O level in technical drawing which I failed.

It was always my ambition to be a car mechanic. When I started the job, it OK at first, the appreticship went well thanks to bloody good lecturers but I got quickly bored with things. I then found my current job which I`ve been doing since 1977 and while I`ll never be loaded with money, I`m happy.

Besides, someone has got to clean up the sh*t all of the brainy buggers leave behind!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If the little sods think they're stressed at school, pity help them when they leave ......

I've never heard the likes of it, schoolkids and stress, unheard of when I was young, we just got on with it & got a bollocking if we didn't, but stressed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Same ole same ole. Now effects are felt personally people complain?

Where is everyone when policies are drawn up and implemented.

Genuine Question coming up to which i'd like some reasoned answers please.

Q. Why do you blame SCHOOLS for the pressures on YOUR child that are the result of GOVERMENTAL decision and PARENTAL consent through abrogation of responsibility.

Q Is anyone aware that schools do not like this kind of curriculum and feel the pressure equally if not more ?

Q G and T and Boosters are not something dreamt up by schools they are an impostition by higher authorities.

Q Does anyone here seek to work WITH a school through good times OR just attack a school when things get tough ?

Q Why is the school seen as the enemy ?

Q Is anyone on a steering group to change the way children are taught in our schools ?

Q. If you truly disagree with homework why don't you write a letter to your child's teacher politely stating that your child will not be doing work at home?

Q. Same as above for booster classes.

Q. Has anyone actually written to their M.P or indeed the P.M to express your disatisfaction with the education system in this country OR asked why there is so much governmental interference in education ? Have you asked them to lay off schools and leave teaching to teachers ?

Q Has anyone applied to be a school governor ?

Where would you stick your conker if they weren't against health and safety ?

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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Wow, feels like we are all back in school now....all get in the detention corner

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By *ishful.thinkingWoman
over a year ago

east london

The idea of corporal punishment now takes on a whole new meaning

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Wow, feels like we are all back in school now....all get in the detention corner

Right that's it! Bend over I know where my conker's goin!

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By *ugby 123Couple
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"Wow, feels like we are all back in school now....all get in the detention corner

Right that's it! Bend over I know where my conker's goin!

*gulps*

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