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"I have just watched a program on TV with regards to clubs charging men more than women to enter as happens in most if not all swinging clubs. It seems it against the law under the sex discrimination act of 1975. What do you all make of this. Steve "I have never thought the pricing system is fair for entry to clubs  | |||
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Would they allow people in on a first come first serve basis
Would single women not bother going as their entrance fee would be raised
Would single men overrun the places as their entrance fee would be dropped
Would couples that don't like single men then not bother going at all
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"The summary then and still pretty much now is you don't like- don't go. Simples." If you don't like the thread - move onto the next one! Simples. *We're watching this thread with interest* | |||
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"The summary then and still pretty much now is you don't like- don't go. Simples. If you don't like the thread - move onto the next one! Simples. *We're watching this thread with interest*" I can understand why you are,for you 2 will be paying more than anyone else to get into a club,I would class you as a couple but I bet the clubs don't and I don't think thats fair | |||
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"It was discussed not so long ago, save some time and use the search button." Whats that got to do with it being on TV | |||
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"I can understand why you are,for you 2 will be paying more than anyone else to get into a club,I would class you as a couple but I bet the clubs don't " We've asked, and offered to produce evidence we're a couple such as joint mortgage statement / utility bills etc., etc., but they refuse, saying if the allow us in as a couple they'll be setting a precedent which they don't wish to encourage. | |||
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"I can understand why you are,for you 2 will be paying more than anyone else to get into a club,I would class you as a couple but I bet the clubs don't We've asked, and offered to produce evidence we're a couple such as joint mortgage statement / utility bills etc., etc., but they refuse, saying if the allow us in as a couple they'll be setting a precedent which they don't wish to encourage. " I think thats really unfair  | |||
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"I can understand why you are,for you 2 will be paying more than anyone else to get into a club,I would class you as a couple but I bet the clubs don't We've asked, and offered to produce evidence we're a couple such as joint mortgage statement / utility bills etc., etc., but they refuse, saying if the allow us in as a couple they'll be setting a precedent which they don't wish to encourage. " I totally agree with the reasons behind you watching this thread in a way you are under a different argument than the single men prices quite understandably. | |||
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"I can understand why you are,for you 2 will be paying more than anyone else to get into a club,I would class you as a couple but I bet the clubs don't We've asked, and offered to produce evidence we're a couple such as joint mortgage statement / utility bills etc., etc., but they refuse, saying if the allow us in as a couple they'll be setting a precedent which they don't wish to encourage. I totally agree with the reasons behind you watching this thread in a way you are under a different argument than the single men prices quite understandably." For us to visit a club would cost us £60.00 before we even but a drink 
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anyway once iv won the lottery and opened the swingin club to save discrimination it will be select people anyway!!! xx  | |||
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"hey bi a bit like some hotels then" We only use major chains now  having had a "Family" hotel turn us out just after checking in, "Your types not welcome here" many years ago that was before legislation came into force | |||
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"I can understand why you are,for you 2 will be paying more than anyone else to get into a club,I would class you as a couple but I bet the clubs don't We've asked, and offered to produce evidence we're a couple such as joint mortgage statement / utility bills etc., etc., but they refuse, saying if the allow us in as a couple they'll be setting a precedent which they don't wish to encourage. I totally agree with the reasons behind you watching this thread in a way you are under a different argument than the single men prices quite understandably. For us to visit a club would cost us £60.00 before we even but a drink
They see it as a fair price "While I think everyone would agree thats outrageous and personally we would not pay near that I suppose from an owners point of view while people do pay that they can keep charging it. | |||
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"ooohhh someone has got their cranky pants on..........
anyway once iv won the lottery and opened the swingin club to save discrimination it will be select people anyway!!! xx "well dont open it near mine!!! | |||
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"joint venture?? with shoe emporium and playwear department!! xx "oh now ya talking!! can we have a naughty corner as well?? | |||
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"yup!!! and a very naughty corner just for u!! oh the fun we could have!!! xx"i feel a business plan being drawn up!!! | |||
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"I suppose from an owners point of view while people do pay that they can keep charging it." Some blokes will pay any amount if they can get a fook
We only want to use the club as a social, we're not into any of the sexual activity that takes place, it's not our thing (no offence to anyone) | |||
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"yup!!! and a very naughty corner just for u!! oh the fun we could have!!! xxi feel a business plan being drawn up!!! "so do i...... ooohh themed rooms!! go to the nwty room.... ohhh im away to stick an extra few tickets on!!! its a signed deal now!!! xx | |||
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"i think the act of 1975 covers all clubs private or not as golf clubs and even the BNP has had to open its doors to everyone Steve " Private clubs have to be able to justify their charges in a court of law. Supply and demand is justification enough. It's abit like me trying to book a holiday for me, Jason and our boys in the school holidays. It's triple the price just because it's the holidays. Supply and demand. If clubs charged the same prices for single women as they do for single men, there would be very very few single women go, if any at all, but men would still go. Couples may not go because there would be no single women and the less couples, the more single men so the ratio of single men to couples could be more than half. That in itself would stop a fair few couples going, even if they like mixed nights. Also, some clubs do try and price single men higher to stop all and sundry going. After all, petrol, £35 entrance, drinks and possibly a room for a night without a guaranteed fuck works out expensive. Couples justify it cus there are two of them and it works out as a night out for both. I know that Chameleons can have 100+ single men waiting on their list for up to 9 months......... that is definate supply and demand. | |||
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"I suppose from an owners point of view while people do pay that they can keep charging it. Some blokes will pay any amount if they can get a fook
We only want to use the club as a social, we're not into any of the sexual activity that takes place, it's not our thing (no offence to anyone) "Pussy Posse Charity Night special..... just for Bi 1 get 1 free....... they's coming as a couple! | |||
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"I wonder if if would be any different for BOGOF if they were married "Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmm, I wonder surely they'd be in breach of whatever act if they refused us entrance as a couple, or do they have a right as a "Private" club?
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"I would have thought… though this is purely a guess… Positive Discrimination (or Positive Action as ‘they’ like to call it now) would be a more plausible justification; as it is (sort of) permitted under Law to take positive steps to raise minority numbers…. the minority in the case of swinging clubs being females… but it still might be stretching it a bit "I don't know about stretching it. If single men could get in for £10, the place would be over-run with them. We, certainly, would stop using the mixed nights and that would make us couples a minority then. As long as they can justify it, I don't think it matters. They will carry on charging single men more in most cases. | |||
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"Pussy Posse Charity Night special..... just for Bi 1 get 1 free....... they's coming as a couple! "We sure are only because of your intervention kiss, kiss, kiss
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"I would have thought… though this is purely a guess… Positive Discrimination (or Positive Action as ‘they’ like to call it now) would be a more plausible justification; as it is (sort of) permitted under Law to take positive steps to raise minority numbers…. the minority in the case of swinging clubs being females… but it still might be stretching it a bit
I don't know about stretching it. If single men could get in for £10, the place would be over-run with them. We, certainly, would stop using the mixed nights and that would make us couples a minority then.
As long as they can justify it, I don't think it matters. They will carry on charging single men more in most cases."I totally see and understand the logic and business sense of it... I was more thinking about how it could be justified if someone complained about a breach of anti-discrimination law. Just like many organisations make ‘exceptions’ to recruitment and selection standards to try to raise minority numbers. | |||
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"I would have thought… though this is purely a guess… Positive Discrimination (or Positive Action as ‘they’ like to call it now) would be a more plausible justification; as it is (sort of) permitted under Law to take positive steps to raise minority numbers…. the minority in the case of swinging clubs being females… but it still might be stretching it a bit
I don't know about stretching it. If single men could get in for £10, the place would be over-run with them. We, certainly, would stop using the mixed nights and that would make us couples a minority then.
As long as they can justify it, I don't think it matters. They will carry on charging single men more in most cases.
I totally see and understand the logic and business sense of it... I was more thinking about how it could be justified if someone complained about a breach of anti-discrimination law. Just like many organisations make ‘exceptions’ to recruitment and selection standards to try to raise minority numbers."Is that not the point though Polo... Until someone actually complains and tries to do something about it, it is going to be par for the course. It's going to take a very strong and brave man to stand up and admit to the world, his work colleagues, friends and family and a judge that he uses a swinging club. May be someone ought to try it..... see what happens. | |||
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"May be someone ought to try it....." Stop staring at us!!! | |||
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"I would have thought… though this is purely a guess… Positive Discrimination (or Positive Action as ‘they’ like to call it now) would be a more plausible justification; as it is (sort of) permitted under Law to take positive steps to raise minority numbers…. the minority in the case of swinging clubs being females… but it still might be stretching it a bit
I don't know about stretching it. If single men could get in for £10, the place would be over-run with them. We, certainly, would stop using the mixed nights and that would make us couples a minority then.
As long as they can justify it, I don't think it matters. They will carry on charging single men more in most cases."I am sure the price of blokes entrance and the number let in on any given night is ruled by 2 factors. 1 being how many can we let in to get the most money and 2 how many will the other in the club tolerate. Steve | |||
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"I would have thought… though this is purely a guess… Positive Discrimination (or Positive Action as ‘they’ like to call it now) would be a more plausible justification; as it is (sort of) permitted under Law to take positive steps to raise minority numbers…. the minority in the case of swinging clubs being females… but it still might be stretching it a bit
I don't know about stretching it. If single men could get in for £10, the place would be over-run with them. We, certainly, would stop using the mixed nights and that would make us couples a minority then.
As long as they can justify it, I don't think it matters. They will carry on charging single men more in most cases.
I am sure the price of blokes entrance and the number let in on any given night is ruled by 2 factors.
1 being how many can we let in to get the most money and 2 how many will the other in the club tolerate.
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"I would have thought… though this is purely a guess… Positive Discrimination (or Positive Action as ‘they’ like to call it now) would be a more plausible justification; as it is (sort of) permitted under Law to take positive steps to raise minority numbers…. the minority in the case of swinging clubs being females… but it still might be stretching it a bit
I don't know about stretching it. If single men could get in for £10, the place would be over-run with them. We, certainly, would stop using the mixed nights and that would make us couples a minority then.
As long as they can justify it, I don't think it matters. They will carry on charging single men more in most cases.
I totally see and understand the logic and business sense of it... I was more thinking about how it could be justified if someone complained about a breach of anti-discrimination law. Just like many organisations make ‘exceptions’ to recruitment and selection standards to try to raise minority numbers.
Is that not the point though Polo... Until someone actually complains and tries to do something about it, it is going to be par for the course.
It's going to take a very strong and brave man to stand up and admit to the world, his work colleagues, friends and family and a judge that he uses a swinging club.
May be someone ought to try it..... see what happens."I'm not sure, I 'think' it's only if the individual wants to claim that they need be part of proceedings. I know that in cases like Data Protection it is sometimes the commissioners who make the case against a company/organisation.... all they need is a complaint to trigger the investigation. | |||
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"Dont think the same rules apply to "private" clubs ? do it ??? "dont think it does, you cant charge single females the same price as single men simply because single women wouldnt pay them prices, i know i wouldnt pay £30+ a night to go to a club, and most people who use clubs are after single fems, men and couples, so clubs need the women in to keep their customers happy | |||
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"The clubs could easily adhere to equal pricing policy yet still restrict single men from attending by introducing a system whereby single guys have to apply for tickets for a specific night and then the tickets are issued on a non-transferable, first come basis. It would be irrelevant for greedy girl nights as single men are in demand on those evenings." have to laugh at that the last time i went to my local club on a greedy girl night , there were two girls and twenty men
the problem was the two girls only wanted to play with each other.
and got very annoyed if any guy came near them .
they got in for free, guys had to pay £18
just to stand around all night hoping another female turned up. I`m deffinatly not going back | |||
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"i think the act of 1975 covers all clubs private or not as golf clubs and even the BNP has had to open its doors to everyone Steve Private clubs have to be able to justify their charges in a court of law. Supply and demand is justification enough. It's abit like me trying to book a holiday for me, Jason and our boys in the school holidays. It's triple the price just because it's the holidays. Supply and demand. If clubs charged the same prices for single women as they do for single men, there would be very very few single women go, if any at all, but men would still go. Couples may not go because there would be no single women and the less couples, the more single men so the ratio of single men to couples could be more than half. That in itself would stop a fair few couples going, even if they like mixed nights. Also, some clubs do try and price single men higher to stop all and sundry going. After all, petrol, £35 entrance, drinks and possibly a room for a night without a guaranteed fuck works out expensive. Couples justify it cus there are two of them and it works out as a night out for both. I know that Chameleons can have 100+ single men waiting on their list for up to 9 months......... that is definate supply and demand. " Your right, the holiday does cost more in summer and school holidays etc..which is supply and demand. But the charging different amounts because of gender, should if not already, be against the law. Problem is who is going to take the club to court, to test the pricing policy? Mind you as we are looking for specific types of people we don't go to clubs, perfer to find playmates online.... | |||
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"It was discussed not so long ago, save some time and use the search button." .. we're new to the forum, and don't know what we've missed, if you see what I mean. I'm a moderator on a couple of unrelated (holiday) forums and we encourage everyone to post new (to them) topics freely, as new members and free-flowing threads are the life blood of a forum. If everyone searched for every topic before posting, there'd be much less traffic and much less interest in the site. And I've seen this kill sites off where moderation was over heavy and culturally they jumped on people for repeating 'old' threads. If a subject you think you know everything about crops up, then move on to the next one. Personally I'll generally have a browse, in case (as usually seems to happen) someone has a new slant on the issue. JMHO M | |||
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"It was discussed not so long ago, save some time and use the search button. .. we're new to the forum, and don't know what we've missed, if you see what I mean. I'm a moderator on a couple of unrelated (holiday) forums and we encourage everyone to post new (to them) topics freely, as new members and free-flowing threads are the life blood of a forum. If everyone searched for every topic before posting, there'd be much less traffic and much less interest in the site. And I've seen this kill sites off where moderation was over heavy and culturally they jumped on people for repeating 'old' threads. If a subject you think you know everything about crops up, then move on to the next one. Personally I'll generally have a browse, in case (as usually seems to happen) someone has a new slant on the issue. JMHO M "should this have been posted in its own thread? | |||
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"i think the act of 1975 covers all clubs private or not as golf clubs and even the BNP has had to open its doors to everyone Steve Private clubs have to be able to justify their charges in a court of law. Supply and demand is justification enough. It's abit like me trying to book a holiday for me, Jason and our boys in the school holidays. It's triple the price just because it's the holidays. Supply and demand. If clubs charged the same prices for single women as they do for single men, there would be very very few single women go, if any at all, but men would still go. Couples may not go because there would be no single women and the less couples, the more single men so the ratio of single men to couples could be more than half. That in itself would stop a fair few couples going, even if they like mixed nights. Also, some clubs do try and price single men higher to stop all and sundry going. After all, petrol, £35 entrance, drinks and possibly a room for a night without a guaranteed fuck works out expensive. Couples justify it cus there are two of them and it works out as a night out for both. I know that Chameleons can have 100+ single men waiting on their list for up to 9 months......... that is definate supply and demand. Your right, the holiday does cost more in summer and school holidays etc..which is supply and demand. But the charging different amounts because of gender, should if not already, be against the law. Problem is who is going to take the club to court, to test the pricing policy? Mind you as we are looking for specific types of people we don't go to clubs, perfer to find playmates online...." I had a similar problem on another site when i questioned its membership pricing for single males,single fems and couples.I only found out the difference as we had 2 single profile and our couple profile.I got banned off site.I was reinstated when advised them of the said act.But as for clubs if it was challenged they would probably change wording to single person suppliment.One club I do go to is couples only and a single male turned up.it was a quiet night and normally it is couples only. the guy was desperate to get in they said ok £100 admin fee and this idiot was willing to pay it. so again it a case of supply and demand. | |||
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