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By *am123 OP   Man
over a year ago

essex chelmsford

the way some of these idiots ride there motor bikes, and cycles, its no wonder they get knocked off

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By *ire_bladeMan
over a year ago

Manchester

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Motorcycles, ok, most of them have a sense of self preservation so on the whole not too bad, but, cyclists !!!!!! , absolute idiots,no lights,no helmets,cutting up cars at lights and that so fuckin annoying, it wasnt my fault attitude. Now the law is considering absolving them of all blame and automatically punishing the driver!!!! Wtf ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"the way some of these idiots ride there motor bikes, and cycles, its no wonder they get knocked off "

But surely doesn't being "knocked off “ imply the cyclist / motorcyclists was hit by another vehicle.....

Or am I wrong eh!

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By *ire_bladeMan
over a year ago

Manchester

I really can't wait to see all the views on this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

f**k pedestrians too...You didn't drive a black Audi and were in Wales yesterday by any chance?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"the way some of these idiots ride there motor bikes, and cycles, its no wonder they get knocked off "

Considering that on these forums you have "jokingly" said that if the opportunity arose you would knock me off my bike, does this post maybe not reflect more your attitude towards vulnerable road users and your ability and attitude as a motorist?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have equal disdain for any road users who’s selfish or inconsiderate behaviour unnecessarily endangers the safety of others..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"the way some of these idiots ride there motor bikes, and cycles, its no wonder they get knocked off "

Pricks ride bikes pricks drive cars pricks walk down the street! You are bound to come across pricks in life so chill and be grateful you didn't see a fatality.

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By *ire_bladeMan
over a year ago

Manchester


"the way some of these idiots ride there motor bikes, and cycles, its no wonder they get knocked off

Pricks ride bikes pricks drive cars pricks walk down the street! You are bound to come across pricks in life so chill and be grateful you didn't see a fatality. "

good answer like it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Motorcycles, ok, most of them have a sense of self preservation so on the whole not too bad, but, cyclists !!!!!! , absolute idiots,no lights,no helmets,cutting up cars at lights and that so fuckin annoying, it wasnt my fault attitude. Now the law is considering absolving them of all blame and automatically punishing the driver!!!! Wtf ?"

Oh dear always my fault riding to work is it ? Mmm lights check, helmet check, obey the signs check, laugh at obnoxious people in car moaning at cyclists .....check. smile, try someeexercise too it may help with the aggression !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ive got a bite!!! Gonna need a bigger boat!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"the way some of these idiots ride there motor bikes, and cycles, its no wonder they get knocked off "

in the same way some car drivers pedestrians and mobility scooter peoples drive walk and ride

you generalise grossly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"the way some of these idiots ride there motor bikes, and cycles, its no wonder they get knocked off

Pricks ride bikes pricks drive cars pricks walk down the street! You are bound to come across pricks in life so chill and be grateful you didn't see a fatality. "

better answer than mine

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By *am123 OP   Man
over a year ago

essex chelmsford


"the way some of these idiots ride there motor bikes, and cycles, its no wonder they get knocked off

Considering that on these forums you have "jokingly" said that if the opportunity arose you would knock me off my bike, does this post maybe not reflect more your attitude towards vulnerable road users and your ability and attitude as a motorist?"
I was as you said only joking, I ride an R1 motor bike, so im very aware of both sides, and very aware of other road users inc cyclists. It doesn't mean there not a pain in the arse sometimes, not meaning you, but you must have seen other cyclists and thought u idiot u give us all a bad name etc etc, just like all forms or driving inc the car drivers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"the way some of these idiots ride there motor bikes, and cycles, its no wonder they get knocked off

Considering that on these forums you have "jokingly" said that if the opportunity arose you would knock me off my bike, does this post maybe not reflect more your attitude towards vulnerable road users and your ability and attitude as a motorist? I was as you said only joking, I ride an R1 motor bike, so im very aware of both sides, and very aware of other road users inc cyclists. It doesn't mean there not a pain in the arse sometimes, not meaning you, but you must have seen other cyclists and thought u idiot u give us all a bad name etc etc, just like all forms or driving inc the car drivers "

True although cars do seem to think cyclists have different rights on the roads sometimes?

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By *igerdrew73Man
over a year ago

grantham

Where I live most cyclists seem to think they have a different set of laws.

Red lights and stop signs only apply to cars. Cars have to give way to cyclists irrespective of whether the car is on the major route. I could go on but I wont

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe....not sure of the statistics of how many people killed by cyclists though ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Maybe....not sure of the statistics of how many people killed by cyclists though ? "

Guns

Smoking

Cancer

Old Age

all kill more than cars bikes or any other form of transport

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"the way some of these idiots ride there motor bikes, and cycles, its no wonder they get knocked off

Considering that on these forums you have "jokingly" said that if the opportunity arose you would knock me off my bike, does this post maybe not reflect more your attitude towards vulnerable road users and your ability and attitude as a motorist? I was as you said only joking, I ride an R1 motor bike, so im very aware of both sides, and very aware of other road users inc cyclists. It doesn't mean there not a pain in the arse sometimes, not meaning you, but you must have seen other cyclists and thought u idiot u give us all a bad name etc etc, just like all forms or driving inc the car drivers "

I lived in London for 5 years so have seen plenty of idiotic cycling but no they don't give us all a bad name. Anyone that judges my behaviour on others is an idiot. Or should I berate ALL motorists having assumed they drive as badly as the motorist who's dangerous driving once put me in hospital?

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By *els_BellsWoman
over a year ago

with the moon n stars somewhere in gtr manc


"I have equal disdain for any road users who’s selfish or inconsiderate behaviour unnecessarily endangers the safety of others..

"

This

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Maybe....not sure of the statistics of how many people killed by cyclists though ? "

I believe but may be wrong that in recent years in London 1 pedestrian has been killed by a cyclist and although the cyclist was arrested it never went to trial as the cyclist was not in the wrong. So 1 in maybe 5 years. the figure for cyclists killed by motorists in London in that time period is over 100 which in turn is dwarfed by the number of pedestrians killed by motorists. I believe that that trend is similar nationally.

Pedestrians injured by cyclists is a huge grey area as the statistics reflect a road traffic collision and does not differentiate between bikes, motorbikrs, cars, trucks etc.

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By *am123 OP   Man
over a year ago

essex chelmsford


"the way some of these idiots ride there motor bikes, and cycles, its no wonder they get knocked off

Considering that on these forums you have "jokingly" said that if the opportunity arose you would knock me off my bike, does this post maybe not reflect more your attitude towards vulnerable road users and your ability and attitude as a motorist? I was as you said only joking, I ride an R1 motor bike, so im very aware of both sides, and very aware of other road users inc cyclists. It doesn't mean there not a pain in the arse sometimes, not meaning you, but you must have seen other cyclists and thought u idiot u give us all a bad name etc etc, just like all forms or driving inc the car drivers

I lived in London for 5 years so have seen plenty of idiotic cycling but no they don't give us all a bad name. Anyone that judges my behaviour on others is an idiot. Or should I berate ALL motorists having assumed they drive as badly as the motorist who's dangerous driving once put me in hospital?

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so in a round about way you are calling me an idiot yes? well what a surprise, but id expect nothing less tbh, but i see many a twat on push bikes riding like they own the roads, two and three abreast on country lanes etc, so i stand by the fact that the way some ride i'm not surprised they get knocked off.

And yes i do believe they give you cyclists a bad name at times.

Theres a place for you cyclists and on busy roads it is NOT!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lights yes helmet yes stop at red lights yes signal yes but twats still don't look out for cyclist both times i have been hit where totally the drivers fault and the insurance company's agreed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You'd never see me on a bike!

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By *adchickCouple
over a year ago

Cyprus

Cyclists who won't wait in line for the lights and peddle hell for leather on the wrong side of the road as cars are coming towards them.....

Every morning on my way to work i see this, along with never stopping for red lights.... Only right turning on red lights or cycling on the path in the way of mothers walking small children....

The list goes on.

I am ALWAYS aware of cyclists, mainly because those that ride round cheltenham and gloucester are complete bloody muppets.

But then... For every idiotic cyclist, there is an idiotic driver

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"the way some of these idiots ride there motor bikes, and cycles, its no wonder they get knocked off "
so its ok for the car driver to drive us off when they were in the rong

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Had a funny debate with a mate of mine who hates bikes his argument was cyclist dont pay road tax so shouldn't be on the road! I soon shut him up by replying 1. We cause no ware and tear to the roads 2. Low emission cars now pay no road tax so should they be off the road lol he soon backed down. I do believe cyclist should be insured im covered every time i renew my race licence it cost very little

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By *am123 OP   Man
over a year ago

essex chelmsford


"Cyclists who won't wait in line for the lights and peddle hell for leather on the wrong side of the road as cars are coming towards them.....

Every morning on my way to work i see this, along with never stopping for red lights.... Only right turning on red lights or cycling on the path in the way of mothers walking small children....

The list goes on.

I am ALWAYS aware of cyclists, mainly because those that ride round cheltenham and gloucester are complete bloody muppets.

But then... For every idiotic cyclist, there is an idiotic driver "
i see it every morn as well, the sad idiots dressed as lance arm strong and riding like they are equally as high under taking over taking just like all cyclists engineless and erm yep brainless

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

Do not feed the trolls.....

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By *reelove1969Couple
over a year ago

bristol

was ran ove on my bike a year ago in a hit and run. Reported it to the police who were not remotely interested and advised me to get a solicitor to help sort things out. A year later and I've not recd a penny compensation or loss of earnings even though he admitted liability

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

end of the day were humans

show respect for other road users

as i do

ok there is a few mindless idiots out there who dont

then Report them

as i have done with a driver who wanted me 2 pull over so he can sped off n hit at the back of a bus

i didn't pull over for a road rager

he will get fine as there was a speed camera in the area

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Do not feed the trolls....."

Oh go on, it is rather entertaining

I've seen terrible behaviour from both cyclists and drivers, neither gets me too fussed, I just pootle away happy that I'm not an arsehole!

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By *am123 OP   Man
over a year ago

essex chelmsford


"was ran ove on my bike a year ago in a hit and run. Reported it to the police who were not remotely interested and advised me to get a solicitor to help sort things out. A year later and I've not recd a penny compensation or loss of earnings even though he admitted liability"
even tho it was a hit and run he didn't get knicked for driving off thats bad

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By *am123 OP   Man
over a year ago

essex chelmsford


"Do not feed the trolls.....

Oh go on, it is rather entertaining

I've seen terrible behaviour from both cyclists and drivers, neither gets me too fussed, I just pootle away happy that I'm not an arsehole!"
in your opinion lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Had a funny debate with a mate of mine who hates bikes his argument was cyclist dont pay road tax so shouldn't be on the road! I soon shut him up by replying 1. We cause no ware and tear to the roads 2. Low emission cars now pay no road tax so should they be off the road lol he soon backed down. I do believe cyclist should be insured im covered every time i renew my race licence it cost very little "

Road tax doesn't exist. It's car tax, a tax on cars and other vehicles, not a tax on roads or a fee to use them

(was watching Mat Wright this morning!)

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum


"Do not feed the trolls.....

Oh go on, it is rather entertaining

I've seen terrible behaviour from both cyclists and drivers, neither gets me too fussed, I just pootle away happy that I'm not an arsehole!"

Life's too short to get wound up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Do not feed the trolls.....

Oh go on, it is rather entertaining

I've seen terrible behaviour from both cyclists and drivers, neither gets me too fussed, I just pootle away happy that I'm not an arsehole!in your opinion lol "

Exactly!!

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By *am123 OP   Man
over a year ago

essex chelmsford


"Do not feed the trolls.....

Oh go on, it is rather entertaining

I've seen terrible behaviour from both cyclists and drivers, neither gets me too fussed, I just pootle away happy that I'm not an arsehole!in your opinion lol

Exactly!! "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"the way some of these idiots ride there motor bikes, and cycles, its no wonder they get knocked off "

what about the way some people drive their cars etc.

i have seen both good and bad drivers and cyclists so you cannot class them all the same.

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By *am123 OP   Man
over a year ago

essex chelmsford


"the way some of these idiots ride there motor bikes, and cycles, its no wonder they get knocked off

what about the way some people drive their cars etc.

i have seen both good and bad drivers and cyclists so you cannot class them all the same.

"
i havn't hun read previous posts i said inc car drivers, i ride a motor bike so i see it from both sides theres plenty of poor drivers and riders across the board

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nothing to do with this thread really, but I was out on a ride on my push bike and as I was riding up a hill a passed a bloke in a mobility scooter as I passed him he was blinded by the sun and rode his scooter off the kerb and tipped over and threw himself into the middle of the road, bloody mobility scooter drivers,

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By *am123 OP   Man
over a year ago

essex chelmsford


"Nothing to do with this thread really, but I was out on a ride on my push bike and as I was riding up a hill a passed a bloke in a mobility scooter as I passed him he was blinded by the sun and rode his scooter off the kerb and tipped over and threw himself into the middle of the road, bloody mobility scooter drivers, "
don't get me going on them, theres a old guy round here wears a crash helmet and drives the bloody thing everywhere, all round the lanes, and roads not on the path in the road and has even been seen on the A 12 ffs he has a death wish

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By *lentyoffun40Couple
over a year ago

Lancashire

Bugs me the way they take over on motorways

Weaving in and out of middle and 3rd lanes

Pet hate

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By *am123 OP   Man
over a year ago

essex chelmsford


"Bugs me the way they take over on motorways

Weaving in and out of middle and 3rd lanes

Pet hate "
what mobility scooters or cyclists

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not all bike riders are idiots but yes 90% of bikers are feking idiots! X

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By *lentyoffun40Couple
over a year ago

Lancashire


"Bugs me the way they take over on motorways

Weaving in and out of middle and 3rd lanes

Pet hate what mobility scooters or cyclists "

Motorbikes

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By *am123 OP   Man
over a year ago

essex chelmsford


"Bugs me the way they take over on motorways

Weaving in and out of middle and 3rd lanes

Pet hate what mobility scooters or cyclists

Motorbikes"
ohhh lol

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By *stmateMan
over a year ago

Notts

I had this argument with my brother in law a few months ago. I am a biker and he seems to think all bikers are the same. So far from the truth. At the end of the day nobody drives or rides around praising good drivers/riders. But u always notice the idiot who cuts u up, chatting on phone, riding wreck less, cycling through red lights. It clearly shows that they are the minority.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I had this argument with my brother in law a few months ago. I am a biker and he seems to think all bikers are the same. So far from the truth. At the end of the day nobody drives or rides around praising good drivers/riders. But u always notice the idiot who cuts u up, chatting on phone, riding wreck less, cycling through red lights. It clearly shows that they are the minority."

Well said that man i get annoyed at my fellow cyclist for running red lights or riding on the road when there is a cycle path next to the road

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I had this argument with my brother in law a few months ago. I am a biker and he seems to think all bikers are the same. So far from the truth. At the end of the day nobody drives or rides around praising good drivers/riders. But u always notice the idiot who cuts u up, chatting on phone, riding wreck less, cycling through red lights. It clearly shows that they are the minority.

Well said that man i get annoyed at my fellow cyclist for running red lights or riding on the road when there is a cycle path next to the road"
an it usually get park cars on it n block the route

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By *am123 OP   Man
over a year ago

essex chelmsford

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"the way some of these idiots ride there motor bikes, and cycles, its no wonder they get knocked off "

WHOOAAAAA... Speak for yourself!!!

It's the boy/girl racers, the sunday drivers, the nervous and unsure drivers and the just plain idiotic drivers that need to learn how to drive properly ffs!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"the way some of these idiots ride there motor bikes, and cycles, its no wonder they get knocked off

But surely doesn't being "knocked off “ imply the cyclist / motorcyclists was hit by another vehicle.....

Or am I wrong eh! "

Yea but its how it occurs that is worrying, like for example running a red light and being hit by a car going through a green light, or riding on the wrong side of the road like the idiot I saw earlier in the week, bloody frightening and he didn't give a shit then went straight through the red light

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Not all bike riders are idiots but yes 90% of bikers are feking idiots! X"

and just how did you get that figure. Actually take note on a nice day... And see how many you won't normally notice..

the thing I hate is when car drivers decide to move to stop a biker doing what he or she is legally allowed to do.. just because they can't.

Btw I can't stand cyclists but that's a whole new topic

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Not all bike riders are idiots but yes 90% of bikers are feking idiots! X

and just how did you get that figure. Actually take note on a nice day... And see how many you won't normally notice..

the thing I hate is when car drivers decide to move to stop a biker doing what he or she is legally allowed to do.. just because they can't.

Btw I can't stand cyclists but that's a whole new topic"

Lol....was that antagonistic end to your post ! I bet you don't reply because you've knocked over and splattered by an 8 year old on a chopper. Mind you there's a 92.7 % chance of that happening to us all according to made up statistics.

I don't need your bull, my cow died.

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By *ire_bladeMan
over a year ago

Manchester


"Not all bike riders are idiots but yes 90% of bikers are feking idiots! X

and just how did you get that figure. Actually take note on a nice day... And see how many you won't normally notice..

the thing I hate is when car drivers decide to move to stop a biker doing what he or she is legally allowed to do.. just because they can't.

Btw I can't stand cyclists but that's a whole new topic

Lol....was that antagonistic end to your post ! I bet you don't reply because you've knocked over and splattered by an 8 year old on a chopper. Mind you there's a 92.7 % chance of that happening to us all according to made up statistics.

I don't need your bull, my cow died. "

look mate the sooner you admit you cyclists are the root of all evil the better we will all be

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By *nfieldishCouple
over a year ago

Enfield

S'funny..... I misguidedly thought our swinging community would be made up of chilled relaxed understanding people....

Wrong..

Haters gonna hate....as my grandmother never used to say..

G'morning..

Xx

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By *ire_bladeMan
over a year ago

Manchester


"S'funny..... I misguidedly thought our swinging community would be made up of chilled relaxed understanding people....

Wrong..

Haters gonna hate....as my grandmother never used to say..

G'morning..

Xx"

damn fool

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By *nfieldishCouple
over a year ago

Enfield


"S'funny..... I misguidedly thought our swinging community would be made up of chilled relaxed understanding people....

Wrong..

Haters gonna hate....as my grandmother never used to say..

G'morning..

Xx

damn fool "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Im a lollipop lady, so I see all sorts of dafties, including car drivers, cyclists, pedestrians. I dont drive, my oh is a cyclist, a good one because he wants to stay alive, he also drives well. But I agree, unfortunately, the cyclists are the worst for me to deal with on a daily basis. They cycle past me when Im stood in the road, with children crossing, that is actually against the law - if it was a car did that its a big fine and points. Ad is on the radio now and again. Ok, thats it - off my soapbox now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cycle on the paths. . It works for me and scares the shit out of pedestrians blethering. On their phones

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Only 1 point i need to make why people on bikes are now fitting cameras to them selfs to prove who is at fault and yes i am a driver and enjoy geting out on the cycle to

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"S'funny..... I misguidedly thought our swinging community would be made up of chilled relaxed understanding people....

Wrong..

Haters gonna hate....as my grandmother never used to say..

G'morning..

Xx"

Why would you think that?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's worth pointing out that there's a distinct difference between someone who is a cyclist, and someone who is merely riding a bicycle.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I find it amazing car drivers can come on here and claim to be perfect drivers.

One cycle ride will see far more illegal activity from drivers than cyclists.

How many drivers speed? Most how many talk on phones?

I cycle and drive and drivers attitude to cyclists stink.

I have never been knocked off but I have been close.

I would definatly be done for assault by now if I cycled a lot more.

A note to drivers,if you see an angry cyclist.you are probibily the cause of that anger and your driving is at fault.

Cyclist don't go around been angry.

But stupid,careless acts that leave you fearing death bring out anger in people. certainly me they do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's worth pointing out that there's a distinct difference between someone who is a cyclist, and someone who is merely riding a bicycle."

Totally agree.

The local smack head off to get hi fix on his stolen bmx is not bothered about red lights.someone who has a self preservation mode will stop at lights.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cycle naked. I think that despite there being alot of tits on bikes this may change attitudes. Briiing brinnng

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"It's worth pointing out that there's a distinct difference between someone who is a cyclist, and someone who is merely riding a bicycle.

Totally agree.

The local smack head off to get hi fix on his stolen bmx is not bothered about red lights.someone who has a self preservation mode will stop at lights. "

We'll then I've seen an awful lot of smack heads with expensive looking cycle gear

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

ET was an absolute lunatic on a bike. No-one shouted abuse at him, they all loved him.

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By *stmateMan
over a year ago

Notts

Lets not forget the lass who was on the news a few weeks ago for running a cyclist off the road and later Tweeted about it. Should have done her for attempted murder lol

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By *stmateMan
over a year ago

Notts

Oh one more point. It doesn't matter what ur mode of transport is. If u have a death wish, go ahead and kill ur self. Leave the innocent folk who want to stay alive alone!

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By *ire_bladeMan
over a year ago

Manchester


"Oh one more point. It doesn't matter what ur mode of transport is. If u have a death wish, go ahead and kill ur self. Leave the innocent folk who want to stay alive alone! "

bloody bikers

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By *adchickCouple
over a year ago

Cyprus

Worst cyclist of the day...yesterday.

Jumped a red light whilst wearing headphones AND texting.....

Seriously......

There are some drivers who are complete morons but that cyclist took the biscuit

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Lets not forget the lass who was on the news a few weeks ago for running a cyclist off the road and later Tweeted about it. Should have done her for attempted murder lol "

Why? For it to bemurder it needs to be premeditated and I'm pretty sure she didn't go out that day looking to hit a cyclist.

What she did was despicable, driving off then bragging about it on Twitter!! She should definitely be booked for something but not attempted murder.

I think we can all accept their are skinhead drivers, cyclists, motor cyclists, and pedestrians. It's not limited to one group.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Lets not forget the lass who was on the news a few weeks ago for running a cyclist off the road and later Tweeted about it. Should have done her for attempted murder lol

Why? For it to bemurder it needs to be premeditated and I'm pretty sure she didn't go out that day looking to hit a cyclist.

What she did was despicable, driving off then bragging about it on Twitter!! She should definitely be booked for something but not attempted murder.

I think we can all accept their are skinhead drivers, cyclists, motor cyclists, and pedestrians. It's not limited to one group. "

top comment.

But lets face it, without being too antagonistic, all the anti cyclist brigade on here are just a bit jealous because they're really unfit and smell in their cars.

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By *ire_bladeMan
over a year ago

Manchester


"Lets not forget the lass who was on the news a few weeks ago for running a cyclist off the road and later Tweeted about it. Should have done her for attempted murder lol

Why? For it to bemurder it needs to be premeditated and I'm pretty sure she didn't go out that day looking to hit a cyclist.

What she did was despicable, driving off then bragging about it on Twitter!! She should definitely be booked for something but not attempted murder.

I think we can all accept their are skinhead drivers, cyclists, motor cyclists, and pedestrians. It's not limited to one group. "

isn't it man slaughter if its not pre meditated

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Another biker killed in Northern Ireland, 3.30 am on a clear road with no other vehicles involved. Sometimes it's just a combination of speed and tiredness.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Lets not forget the lass who was on the news a few weeks ago for running a cyclist off the road and later Tweeted about it. Should have done her for attempted murder lol

Why? For it to bemurder it needs to be premeditated and I'm pretty sure she didn't go out that day looking to hit a cyclist.

What she did was despicable, driving off then bragging about it on Twitter!! She should definitely be booked for something but not attempted murder.

I think we can all accept their are skinhead drivers, cyclists, motor cyclists, and pedestrians. It's not limited to one group.

top comment.

But lets face it, without being too antagonistic, all the anti cyclist brigade on here are just a bit jealous because they're really unfit and smell in their cars. "

I'll face nothing of the sort! I hate it when people defend one group by slagging off another

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It gets my goat when a cyclist is riding on the road when there is a perfectly good cycle lane or the pavement is shared with cyclists.. Its there for safety!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It gets my goat when a cyclist is riding on the road when there is a perfectly good cycle lane or the pavement is shared with cyclists.. Its there for safety!"

Most cycle paths aren;t "perfectly good" though, many are far from that.

As for shared paths, they should be made illegal, they are a danger to pedestrians and cyclists.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Lets not forget the lass who was on the news a few weeks ago for running a cyclist off the road and later Tweeted about it. Should have done her for attempted murder lol

Why? For it to bemurder it needs to be premeditated and I'm pretty sure she didn't go out that day looking to hit a cyclist.

What she did was despicable, driving off then bragging about it on Twitter!! She should definitely be booked for something but not attempted murder.

I think we can all accept their are skinhead drivers, cyclists, motor cyclists, and pedestrians. It's not limited to one group.

isn't it man slaughter if its not pre meditated "

If it's a motorist then murder or manslaughter don't apply. Death by dangerous driving has a comparable tariff to manslaughter.

Incidentally there are pictures of the twittter girl tailgating other cars and speeding that she has taken while driving and subsequently uploaded. The woman's attitude towards driving is shocking.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It gets my goat when a cyclist is riding on the road when there is a perfectly good cycle lane or the pavement is shared with cyclists.. Its there for safety!

Most cycle paths aren;t "perfectly good" though, many are far from that.

As for shared paths, they should be made illegal, they are a danger to pedestrians and cyclists."

Well the cycle paths round here are perfectly good.. Better than most of the roads!

As for shared paths.. I cannot imagine for one second sharing a path with a pedestrian can be classed as more dangerous than sharing a road with cars, buses, lorries etc doing 50mph

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It gets my goat when a cyclist is riding on the road when there is a perfectly good cycle lane or the pavement is shared with cyclists.. Its there for safety!

Most cycle paths aren;t "perfectly good" though, many are far from that.

As for shared paths, they should be made illegal, they are a danger to pedestrians and cyclists.

Well the cycle paths round here are perfectly good.. Better than most of the roads!

As for shared paths.. I cannot imagine for one second sharing a path with a pedestrian can be classed as more dangerous than sharing a road with cars, buses, lorries etc doing 50mph "

What about for pedestrians? As a pedestrian do you feel that it is acceptable to have a cyclist passing close by you when that cyclist could easily be doing 20 mph?

What about dogwalkers and retractable leads, what about pedestrians engrossed in their phones or with Ipods on oblivious to their surroundings? All of these are a risk to cyclist.

Do you feel it is safe for cyclists to ride on the pavement? If the answer to that is no then why do you think that a white line down the middle of it suddenly makes it safe?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My daughter was knocked over by a child cyclist who was on the pavement same time and same age as she was (abt 9 I think), he was going fast and couldnt stop, he came off worst than she did. God knows if he is still cycling but hope hes better at it

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By *athnBobCouple
over a year ago

sandwell


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Road tax doesn't exist. It's car tax, a tax on cars and other vehicles, not a tax on roads or a fee to use them

(was watching Mat Wright this morning!)

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Bollox

You can own a car without paying the Vehicle Excise Duty. Just declare a SORN

You can run a car engine without paying the VED (as long as it is on private land) so it is not a tax on emissions.

The one thing you can not do is use the vehicle on a public road..ergo it might not be called a road tax but it IS a tax on using the road.

As to cyclists, I have not run one over yet but it not for the want of them trying

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not sure where the attitude comes from when having a small little disc on your windscreen somehow gives you higher rights to use the road over other modes of transport and other users. The sooner people are educated (cyclists, car users, motorcyclists etc) and the sooner the UK follows the rest of the continent and include cyclists in it's transport infrastructure the better.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Shamefully I find myself drawn into this after making a joke of the whole concept of one is worse than the other.

I cycle and I drive as I imagine lots of people do.

When I drive I see the odd cyclist run a light or ride without consideration.

When I ride I get cars drive too close, cut me up, shout at me for not being on the path when in fact I've come off it in order to take my turn on the opposite side of the road.

There are bad drivers and bad cyclists....it ain't rocket science !

Oh and you and I have probably been one of them on the odd occasion !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It gets my goat when a cyclist is riding on the road when there is a perfectly good cycle lane or the pavement is shared with cyclists.. Its there for safety!

Most cycle paths aren;t "perfectly good" though, many are far from that.

As for shared paths, they should be made illegal, they are a danger to pedestrians and cyclists.

Well the cycle paths round here are perfectly good.. Better than most of the roads!

As for shared paths.. I cannot imagine for one second sharing a path with a pedestrian can be classed as more dangerous than sharing a road with cars, buses, lorries etc doing 50mph

What about for pedestrians? As a pedestrian do you feel that it is acceptable to have a cyclist passing close by you when that cyclist could easily be doing 20 mph?

What about dogwalkers and retractable leads, what about pedestrians engrossed in their phones or with Ipods on oblivious to their surroundings? All of these are a risk to cyclist.

Do you feel it is safe for cyclists to ride on the pavement? If the answer to that is no then why do you think that a white line down the middle of it suddenly makes it safe?"

Why would a cyclist be doing 20mph if it isn't safe to?

All road users must travel at a safe speed for the conditions they are on!

I've riden many a time on a shared path and hardly had a problem.. If you expect a pedestrian may walk in front of you then you ride safey and prefer to take action.. Isn't that common sense for any road user?

My car can easily do 90mph, but that doesn't mean I will in a built up area! You travel safely - that goes for all road users

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Not sure where the attitude comes from when having a small little disc on your windscreen somehow gives you higher rights to use the road over other modes of transport and other users. The sooner people are educated (cyclists, car users, motorcyclists etc) and the sooner the UK follows the rest of the continent and include cyclists in it's transport infrastructure the better."

You could argue that the little disc is what pays for the road ? Playing devils advocate what does a cyclist do for cycle path maintenance and use of the road ?

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch


"the way some of these idiots ride there motor bikes, and cycles, its no wonder they get knocked off

in the same way some car drivers pedestrians and mobility scooter peoples drive walk and ride

you generalise grossly "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It gets my goat when a cyclist is riding on the road when there is a perfectly good cycle lane or the pavement is shared with cyclists.. Its there for safety!

Most cycle paths aren;t "perfectly good" though, many are far from that.

As for shared paths, they should be made illegal, they are a danger to pedestrians and cyclists.

Well the cycle paths round here are perfectly good.. Better than most of the roads!

As for shared paths.. I cannot imagine for one second sharing a path with a pedestrian can be classed as more dangerous than sharing a road with cars, buses, lorries etc doing 50mph

What about for pedestrians? As a pedestrian do you feel that it is acceptable to have a cyclist passing close by you when that cyclist could easily be doing 20 mph?

What about dogwalkers and retractable leads, what about pedestrians engrossed in their phones or with Ipods on oblivious to their surroundings? All of these are a risk to cyclist.

Do you feel it is safe for cyclists to ride on the pavement? If the answer to that is no then why do you think that a white line down the middle of it suddenly makes it safe?

Why would a cyclist be doing 20mph if it isn't safe to?

All road users must travel at a safe speed for the conditions they are on!

I've riden many a time on a shared path and hardly had a problem.. If you expect a pedestrian may walk in front of you then you ride safey and prefer to take action.. Isn't that common sense for any road user?

My car can easily do 90mph, but that doesn't mean I will in a built up area! You travel safely - that goes for all road users"

OK, I'm confused, cyclists should ride on shared cyclepaths because they are vulnerable and motor vehicles don't need to modernise their behaviour, yet as soon as cyclists potentially present a risk to more vulnerable users (pedestrians) you argue that it is the cyclist that should modernise their behaviour?

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale


"Not sure where the attitude comes from when having a small little disc on your windscreen somehow gives you higher rights to use the road over other modes of transport and other users. The sooner people are educated (cyclists, car users, motorcyclists etc) and the sooner the UK follows the rest of the continent and include cyclists in it's transport infrastructure the better.

You could argue that the little disc is what pays for the road ? Playing devils advocate what does a cyclist do for cycle path maintenance and use of the road ? "

Oh dear Gods, do we have to do this again?

Repeat after me :- "there is no such thing as road tax, highways are maintained through local taxation and cyclists have a legal right to use the public highways"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Not sure where the attitude comes from when having a small little disc on your windscreen somehow gives you higher rights to use the road over other modes of transport and other users. The sooner people are educated (cyclists, car users, motorcyclists etc) and the sooner the UK follows the rest of the continent and include cyclists in it's transport infrastructure the better.

You could argue that the little disc is what pays for the road ? Playing devils advocate what does a cyclist do for cycle path maintenance and use of the road ? "

Pay for it via council tax and other general taxation? That little disc doesn't pay for the upkeep of the road, misconception right there

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Not sure where the attitude comes from when having a small little disc on your windscreen somehow gives you higher rights to use the road over other modes of transport and other users. The sooner people are educated (cyclists, car users, motorcyclists etc) and the sooner the UK follows the rest of the continent and include cyclists in it's transport infrastructure the better.

You could argue that the little disc is what pays for the road ? Playing devils advocate what does a cyclist do for cycle path maintenance and use of the road ?

Oh dear Gods, do we have to do this again?

Repeat after me :- "there is no such thing as road tax, highways are maintained through local taxation and cyclists have a legal right to use the public highways"

"

Wrong. There are trunk road agencies that maintain certain roads and local authorities that maintain the others.

Correct its not road tax its called a vehicle excise license which was originally created to fund roads. As usual the vast percentage was creamed off for other things.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Not sure where the attitude comes from when having a small little disc on your windscreen somehow gives you higher rights to use the road over other modes of transport and other users. The sooner people are educated (cyclists, car users, motorcyclists etc) and the sooner the UK follows the rest of the continent and include cyclists in it's transport infrastructure the better.

You could argue that the little disc is what pays for the road ? Playing devils advocate what does a cyclist do for cycle path maintenance and use of the road ? "

What about cars that pay no road tax because of how green thay are?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Not sure where the attitude comes from when having a small little disc on your windscreen somehow gives you higher rights to use the road over other modes of transport and other users. The sooner people are educated (cyclists, car users, motorcyclists etc) and the sooner the UK follows the rest of the continent and include cyclists in it's transport infrastructure the better.

You could argue that the little disc is what pays for the road ? Playing devils advocate what does a cyclist do for cycle path maintenance and use of the road ?

What about cars that pay no road tax because of how green thay are? "

True. I'm not sure if some of them only get the first year or two free or reduced though ? Anyone know?

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

Actually you are somewhat incorrect. Road Tax originally existed to pay for road building and maintenance but that was scrapped in 1937 by Winston Churchill who said that if the motorist thought he was paying for the road then he would soon come to believe he owned it. No one on here has ever paid 'road tax'.

Since 1937 highways have been funded through general taxation and as such all working adults have contributed to the public highways. Cyclists are allowed on all roads except motorways.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've rode motor-bikes for years and the way car drivers behave is unbelieveable.

See so many texting on phone, chatting on it, paying no attention to whats round them.

Lost count of the amount of times I've saved myself from potential crash by anticipating some stupid mistake a driver is about to make.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Actually you are somewhat incorrect. Road Tax originally existed to pay for road building and maintenance but that was scrapped in 1937 by Winston Churchill who said that if the motorist thought he was paying for the road then he would soon come to believe he owned it. No one on here has ever paid 'road tax'.

Since 1937 highways have been funded through general taxation and as such all working adults have contributed to the public highways. Cyclists are allowed on all roads except motorways."

I am wrong and publicly admit it.

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By *ssexdelights69Couple
over a year ago

Basildon


"I've rode motor-bikes for years and the way car drivers behave is unbelieveable.

See so many texting on phone, chatting on it, paying no attention to whats round them.

Lost count of the amount of times I've saved myself from potential crash by anticipating some stupid mistake a driver is about to make."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It gets my goat when a cyclist is riding on the road when there is a perfectly good cycle lane or the pavement is shared with cyclists.. Its there for safety!

Most cycle paths aren;t "perfectly good" though, many are far from that.

As for shared paths, they should be made illegal, they are a danger to pedestrians and cyclists.

Well the cycle paths round here are perfectly good.. Better than most of the roads!

As for shared paths.. I cannot imagine for one second sharing a path with a pedestrian can be classed as more dangerous than sharing a road with cars, buses, lorries etc doing 50mph

What about for pedestrians? As a pedestrian do you feel that it is acceptable to have a cyclist passing close by you when that cyclist could easily be doing 20 mph?

What about dogwalkers and retractable leads, what about pedestrians engrossed in their phones or with Ipods on oblivious to their surroundings? All of these are a risk to cyclist.

Do you feel it is safe for cyclists to ride on the pavement? If the answer to that is no then why do you think that a white line down the middle of it suddenly makes it safe?

Why would a cyclist be doing 20mph if it isn't safe to?

All road users must travel at a safe speed for the conditions they are on!

I've riden many a time on a shared path and hardly had a problem.. If you expect a pedestrian may walk in front of you then you ride safey and prefer to take action.. Isn't that common sense for any road user?

My car can easily do 90mph, but that doesn't mean I will in a built up area! You travel safely - that goes for all road users

OK, I'm confused, cyclists should ride on shared cyclepaths because they are vulnerable and motor vehicles don't need to modernise their behaviour, yet as soon as cyclists potentially present a risk to more vulnerable users (pedestrians) you argue that it is the cyclist that should modernise their behaviour?

"

I'm not saying some cars should change their behaviour..

I'm saying its safer to cycle on a shared path that a road when there is one to use.. These shared paths are hardly teeming full of pedestrians.

If a cyclist does collide with a pedestrian what's the damage if the cyclist is doing a safe speed round the pedestrian? If a cyclist wobbles and goes into a bus that's overtaking at a safe speed then look at the damage difference..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Infact I believe I said all road users need to travel at what is safe for the conditions they are travelling in..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It gets my goat when a cyclist is riding on the road when there is a perfectly good cycle lane or the pavement is shared with cyclists.. Its there for safety!

Most cycle paths aren;t "perfectly good" though, many are far from that.

As for shared paths, they should be made illegal, they are a danger to pedestrians and cyclists.

Well the cycle paths round here are perfectly good.. Better than most of the roads!

As for shared paths.. I cannot imagine for one second sharing a path with a pedestrian can be classed as more dangerous than sharing a road with cars, buses, lorries etc doing 50mph

What about for pedestrians? As a pedestrian do you feel that it is acceptable to have a cyclist passing close by you when that cyclist could easily be doing 20 mph?

What about dogwalkers and retractable leads, what about pedestrians engrossed in their phones or with Ipods on oblivious to their surroundings? All of these are a risk to cyclist.

Do you feel it is safe for cyclists to ride on the pavement? If the answer to that is no then why do you think that a white line down the middle of it suddenly makes it safe?

Why would a cyclist be doing 20mph if it isn't safe to?

All road users must travel at a safe speed for the conditions they are on!

I've riden many a time on a shared path and hardly had a problem.. If you expect a pedestrian may walk in front of you then you ride safey and prefer to take action.. Isn't that common sense for any road user?

My car can easily do 90mph, but that doesn't mean I will in a built up area! You travel safely - that goes for all road users

OK, I'm confused, cyclists should ride on shared cyclepaths because they are vulnerable and motor vehicles don't need to modernise their behaviour, yet as soon as cyclists potentially present a risk to more vulnerable users (pedestrians) you argue that it is the cyclist that should modernise their behaviour?

I'm not saying some cars should change their behaviour..

I'm saying its safer to cycle on a shared path that a road when there is one to use.. These shared paths are hardly teeming full of pedestrians.

If a cyclist does collide with a pedestrian what's the damage if the cyclist is doing a safe speed round the pedestrian? If a cyclist wobbles and goes into a bus that's overtaking at a safe speed then look at the damage difference.."

Why is it in every example you give the cyclist is at fault?

How about, and this is a radical idea I know, pavements remain the domain of pedestrians, cyclists stay on the road and motorists show vulnerable road users the respect they deserve.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry but I don't see why a road is safer than a cycle path..

How about cyclists use paths and shared paths when possible and everyone shows respect to other road users..

Unless as people say you are one of these cyclists who think you are above the rules of the road and law unto yourself?

Everyone should take responsibility for their own safety more and not expect everyone around them too.. Is that not a fair idea too?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The attitude of some on here absolutely stinks and from reading comments I suspect the last time you ever read a highway code (If you EVER have?!) was a very long time ago as you seem to have forgotten a lot of it.

I think it was pointed out in here. In general you will always notice the people doing the illegal things on the road rather than those being legal, that's just how the brain seems to work. Fact is there are going to always be people who do break rules / regs and hopefully one day they will be caught / fined for said offences. You cannot however stereotype and put out blanket statements.

I think these days people are far too highly strung and they also do not leave themselves enough time to get from A to B thus anything that causes them to have to slow will be cursed at etc.

As for the comment about the cyclist wobbling and going under a bus. Overtaking is an at risk maneuver. The bus driver is the one causing any risk not the cyclist. It is the same as overtaking a car. There is a chance the vehicle being overtaken could swerve to miss a pothole or animal in the road. In general pedestrians are FAR less aware of cyclists on shared walk / cycle ways that cars are of cyclists on the road. Though with the amount of people I see on their phones or doing other things whilst driving in their cars these days I think the odds are actually starting to even up a bit!

How we get peoples attitudes to change I do not know though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"How about cyclists use paths and shared paths when possible and everyone shows respect to other road users..

"

Isn't this statement a little contradictory? You are quite right if a cyclist is on the road you should show them respect, even if there is a cycle path. It is up to the cyclist where he/she chooses to cycle. There is no law stating cycle paths HAVE to be used as there is no law stating cyclists cannot cycle on the road. So irrespective of whether there are cycle paths if everyone respected each other on the road in the first place we wouldn't even be having this debate!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"How about cyclists use paths and shared paths when possible and everyone shows respect to other road users..

Isn't this statement a little contradictory? You are quite right if a cyclist is on the road you should show them respect, even if there is a cycle path. It is up to the cyclist where he/she chooses to cycle. There is no law stating cycle paths HAVE to be used as there is no law stating cyclists cannot cycle on the road. So irrespective of whether there are cycle paths if everyone respected each other on the road in the first place we wouldn't even be having this debate!"

My point was that if they were on the cycle path they wouldn't be in danger of ending up under a bus..which also goes to the point of taking responsibility for your own safety at that is a clear example of how you can do that..

And surely the everyone respecting each other on the road would then include cyclists doing the same and staying out harms way when they can by using cycle paths when available

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Also your comment on pedestrians be less aware of cyclists is the same as cyclists being less aware with vehicles.. Seems cyclists don't like it when pedestrians do to them what they do to motorists

As I have said, I use a bike sometimes and if I am quite capable of riding safely on paths then I can't see why its so hard for others

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My point was that if they were on the cycle path they wouldn't be in danger of ending up under a bus..which also goes to the point of taking responsibility for your own safety at that is a clear example of how you can do that..

And surely the everyone respecting each other on the road would then include cyclists doing the same and staying out harms way when they can by using cycle paths when available "

The only reason the cyclist would end up under the bus is due to the bus drivers misjudgement. Short of the cyclist being completely blind and for no reason turning and crossing the buses path (Darwin sorts these ones out though!). The only reason I can think of otherwise is the bus driver not allowing enough time / having enough room to complete the maneuver safely. As said overtaking is an at risk maneuver in the eyes of the law and the person doing the overtaking is the one causing the risk!

I agree it has to be a mutual respect but you are sterotyping a little if you think that all cyclists are complete arses. Using a cyclepath however is not a way that a cyclist shows a driver respect?! The road is there for all who wish to use it!

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By *ofakindCouple
over a year ago

Running with Monkeys


"I had this argument with my brother in law a few months ago. I am a biker and he seems to think all bikers are the same. So far from the truth. At the end of the day nobody drives or rides around praising good drivers/riders. But u always notice the idiot who cuts u up, chatting on phone, riding wreck less, cycling through red lights. It clearly shows that they are the minority.

Well said that man i get annoyed at my fellow cyclist for running red lights or riding on the road when there is a cycle path next to the road"

Cyclists in the road rather than the cycle lane bug me too, already criticised on my driving here before, but also the same woman driving the car that cuts me up most mornings pisses me off too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I ride a bike and drive a car, though not usually at the same time. I do think cyclists should be visibly identifiable, though - such as a bar code on the helmet (which should be compulsory) or on a hi-vis vest which I think should also be compulsory. I wear both on my bike.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I ride a bike and drive a car, though not usually at the same time. I do think cyclists should be visibly identifiable, though - such as a bar code on the helmet (which should be compulsory) or on a hi-vis vest which I think should also be compulsory. I wear both on my bike."

I agree with being indentifiable but I imagine it would be extremely hard to create a working system as the age range of users who ride bikes is massive. We'd also need a few more police about to ensure it was being enforced. The helmet thing, well Darwin again will take care of those who choose not to wear one. It is like motorcyclists who scream around at 100mph+ in shorts and t-shirts!

I don't think a lot of cyclists realise how invisible they are. I think because they are travelling relatively slow and can see far enough ahead they think everyone else will be able to see them. I have scotchbrite reflective strips stitched all over my bag and use two rear flashers and an amazingly bright front light, comparable to a motorbikes lights.

I do wish the police had more resources to tackle issues such as cyclists with no lights at night as riding like that is verging on suicidal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am a cyclist & motorcyclist.

I have been on the receiving end of hassle when on both bikes, I remember riding at 35mph up hill in a 30 zone and an idiot car driver still trying to overtake me so he could brake check me. Why because I went round the outside of him when he tried to stop me getting past him. This sort of mentality is not welcome by any road user.

Recently coming to the end of the A23 in Brighton I was on the motorcycle, I was filtering through stationary traffic when I got to the roundabout a car nearly knocked me off the bike. He drove on the kerb in an attempt to stop me getting past him, at first I thought I might have spooked him and didnt realise I was there, but he tried to force me first into on coming traffic as I overtook him. This type of driving again is not welcomed by anyone.

Here is an idea next time you think of treating a cyclist or motorcyclist in an unwelcome manner imagine theyxare one of your relatives, would do the same?

After all every cyclist is someones father, mother, son or daughter ok some will drive like idiots but do they deserve to be nearly knocked off and possibly hurt just brcause they are in the road.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I ride a bike and drive a car, though not usually at the same time. I do think cyclists should be visibly identifiable, though - such as a bar code on the helmet (which should be compulsory) or on a hi-vis vest which I think should also be compulsory. I wear both on my bike."

I wore both the day I got knocked off my bicycle on the way to work, the driver said he didn't see me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry to post so many after one another but topics like this annoy the hell out of me.

The subject of using a cycle path for is not a good idea, most are littered with broken glass or are just a painted line on the pavement. It only takes a padestrian to stumble ot the cyclist to wobble and they have hit someone, that is why I use the roads.

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By *athnBobCouple
over a year ago

sandwell


"Actually you are somewhat incorrect. Road Tax originally existed to pay for road building and maintenance but that was scrapped in 1937 by Winston Churchill who said that if the motorist thought he was paying for the road then he would soon come to believe he owned it. No one on here has ever paid 'road tax'.

"

I will quote myself from earlier


"You can own a car without paying the Vehicle Excise Duty. Just declare a SORN

You can run a car engine without paying the VED (as long as it is on private land) so it is not a tax on emissions.

The one thing you can not do is use the vehicle on a public road..ergo it might not be called a road tax but it IS a tax on USING the road."
The rest is just semantics

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Motorcycles, ok, most of them have a sense of self preservation so on the whole not too bad, but, cyclists !!!!!! , absolute idiots,no lights,no helmets,cutting up cars at lights and that so fuckin annoying, it wasnt my fault attitude. Now the law is considering absolving them of all blame and automatically punishing the driver!!!! Wtf ?

Oh dear always my fault riding to work is it ? Mmm lights check, helmet check, obey the signs

check, laugh at obnoxious people in car moaning at cyclists .....check. smile, try someeexercise too it may help with the aggression ! "

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale


"Actually you are somewhat incorrect. Road Tax originally existed to pay for road building and maintenance but that was scrapped in 1937 by Winston Churchill who said that if the motorist thought he was paying for the road then he would soon come to believe he owned it. No one on here has ever paid 'road tax'.

I will quote myself from earlier

You can own a car without paying the Vehicle Excise Duty. Just declare a SORN

You can run a car engine without paying the VED (as long as it is on private land) so it is not a tax on emissions.

The one thing you can not do is use the vehicle on a public road..ergo it might not be called a road tax but it IS a tax on USING the road. The rest is just semantics "

...and wrong again.

Band A vehicles pay no VED, neither do military vehicles or vehicles over a certain age. In fact there are more than a few ways to drive legally without paying VED so it is not a tax on using the roads. Simply run a band A vehicle and you pay no VED. As long as people like yourselves insist that you pay for the roads through your VED then will the insistence on ownership of said roads continue.

The simple and incontrovertible fact is that roads are funded through the general taxation pot and paid for by all everyone through their taxable contributions (income tax, VAT etc) whether they drive or not.

No one has a higher claim to using the road - except strangely enough, equestrians, pedestrians and cyclists. All of whom have a legal RIGHT to use the public highway, all motorists are merely licensed to do so. Doesn't matter whether you think that fair or not, it is the way the law stands.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Brilliant post.

You can tell some of the peoplevon here's attitude to cyclists fucking stinks.

Just an obsticle to get around.

The talk of them blocking the road,two abrest

Well if I wanted on my bike I could ride 1 foot left of the centre line legally.that would slow the impatient twats down,but I don't do it.

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich

I think it all depends on where you live and drive. In London you will probably see more illegal actions by drivers, cyclists and pedestrians than anywhere else but that is only because it is busier.

It's also fair to say that as a cyclist you will notice bad behavior by drivers and pedestrians, as a driver you will notice cyclists and pedestrians etc.

To see really stupid cyclists try Cambridge in the summer. That is scary.

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By *am123 OP   Man
over a year ago

essex chelmsford


"I think it all depends on where you live and drive. In London you will probably see more illegal actions by drivers, cyclists and pedestrians than anywhere else but that is only because it is busier.

It's also fair to say that as a cyclist you will notice bad behavior by drivers and pedestrians, as a driver you will notice cyclists and pedestrians etc.

To see really stupid cyclists try Cambridge in the summer. That is scary."

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

Ive seen it reported that GMP stopped over 400 cyclists on Oxford Rd Manchester this month in a crackdown on red light jumping etc.

As a regular cyclist - everyday commuter/road rider/mountain biker - i am very happy to hear about this, it does sometimes seem that the student 'hipster' crowd on their fixies think they are somehow immune to the road rules.

I obey the rules for my own safety, i just wish other road users would occasionally think about my safety as well, unlike the idiot who overtook me on a road ride yesterday as i passed a line of parked vehicles. Then, upon realising there was oncoming traffic simply drifted left and attempted to push me into the parked cars. He got a thump on the roof for his inattention then lifted his hand to apologise. If he had been driving safely none of that would have been necessary. Oh, and the complete wanker who, trying desperately to pass me and seeing i was about to enter a traffic calming area with a pedestrian island decided, rather than wait 5 seconds that he would drive the WRONG side of the pedestrian island into the face of oncoming traffic because he simply must get past.

THAT is the reality of cycling on UK roads I'm afraid, and as seen on this very thread cyclists are seen as scum to be brushed aside.

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