FabSwingers.com forum: An electric car, now petrol etc is up in price

By *ophieslut OP TV/TS
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8 weeks ago

Central

Are you more open to an electric vehicle, now fuel prices are higher? Would fuel shortages push you towards liking one?

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By (user no longer on site)
8 weeks ago

No.

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By *luebell888Woman
8 weeks ago

Glasgowish

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By *uitedGent.Man
8 weeks ago

Milton Keynes

I pay £620pa road tax for having a hybrid - factor that into cost of running 🙄

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By *lanenakedMan
8 weeks ago

near you .. but not too near

Only stupid people get caught up in that eco green bullshit.

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By *icolerobbieCouple
8 weeks ago

Walsall

No, especially as pay per mile is going ahead.

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By *oundtightCouple
8 weeks ago

Manchester

Dunno why you'd go non-electric if you are buying new nowadays, vanishingly few reasons left to buy a new petrol/diesel car anymore.

Second hand market is starting to fill up too, and electric cars have much less to go wrong so they're savvy buys.

Getting caught up in culture wars is dumb, do the maths and buy the right car. For some people that's still gonna be petrol/diesel and that's fine too.

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By *icolerobbieCouple
8 weeks ago

Walsall

"Dunno why you'd go non-electric if you are buying new nowadays, vanishingly few reasons left to buy a new petrol/diesel car anymore.

Second hand market is starting to fill up too, and electric cars have much less to go wrong so they're savvy buys.

Getting caught up in culture wars is dumb, do the maths and buy the right car. For some people that's still gonna be petrol/diesel and that's fine too."

For some drivers they might be a better option. Just not me.

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By *oubleswing2019Man
8 weeks ago

Colchester

A person I know has just bought a bicycle, so there's that option for some folks, where appropriate of course.

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By *iscretewltmMan
8 weeks ago

Kent

Get a V8

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By *aughty by nature 76Man
8 weeks ago

Walsall

No to electric because they are 💩

I know I work in the motor trade….. give me a petrol car any day of the week 🚗🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

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By *og and MuseCouple
8 weeks ago

Dubai & Nottingham

No, EV work for certain applications. Uber is a good one or someone just makes lots of very short journeys in a small car.,not too bothered about what they drive but wants to keep the costs down. I think if that was me, I would just give in and get the bus instead.

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By *redwilma666Couple
8 weeks ago

Kilbirnie

"Are you more open to an electric vehicle, now fuel prices are higher? Would fuel shortages push you towards liking one? "

Not until hell freezes over

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By *abs9Man
8 weeks ago

driffield

We have a VW id3 on order … this was done mainly because we have solar panels @ home & 2 solar batteries so it was logical. I did recently move away from a diesel car for the first time in years as my car due to the cost & increases in costs.

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By *ate2theparty808Man
8 weeks ago

Erdington

If you can charge an EV at home and infrastructure is in place where you travel to regularly, I would say go for it, but for some people it’s still not feasible to own an EV.

I like them for city driving, if you just want a cheap run around for commute and shopping, the Dacia Spring is pretty impressive.

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By *nightsoftheCoffeeTableCouple
8 weeks ago

Leeds

Never, ev’s are backwards evolution. The government will never force me to buy a ev.

If I ever do get one, it’ll be when passenger planes are electric, until then I don’t believe a word of it.

The mr

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By *ldbikerider6Man
8 weeks ago

Sheffield

Still a big no. I guess they have a place but the batteries are a problem. When they go wrong they are very expensive so who is going to pay for one when the warranty runs out. I don't think anyone is able to dispose of the old batteries.

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By *rafter69Man
8 weeks ago

upminster

No not for me thank you.

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By *hrill CollinsMan
8 weeks ago

The Outer Rim

already have, doesn't cost me anything to charge it at home so a no brainer really.

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By *exy gentMan
8 weeks ago

Midlothian

Never for me, the car will depreciate by 40-50% in the 1st year, the 2nd market is non-existent, batteries do fail and go on fire, reliability is shit

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By *ellhungvweMan
8 weeks ago

Cheltenham

EVs are brilliant for short city journeys. Should be a no brainer. But lots of people in towns live in flats or on streets where there is no drive and congested on street parking. Home charging is impossible for a large percentage of the target market.

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By *ophieslut OP TV/TS
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8 weeks ago

Central

"already have, doesn't cost me anything to charge it at home so a no brainer really."

Sounds wonderful

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By *ankspankMan
8 weeks ago

around here

"Only stupid people get caught up in that eco green bullshit. "

Can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic. As you live on the same planet as the rest of us, I’d hope you’re joking.

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By (user no longer on site)
8 weeks ago

"already have, doesn't cost me anything to charge it at home so a no brainer really.

Sounds wonderful "

Sure if you've got many thousands to spend on solar panels, and you own a large house, and 20 years to repay the installation costs.

Rather excludes most people in the real world though.

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By *ankspankMan
8 weeks ago

around here

"Never for me, the car will depreciate by 40-50% in the 1st year, the 2nd market is non-existent, batteries do fail and go on fire, reliability is shit"

Yes, petrol cars never catch fire. Petrol is notoriously fire resistant.

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By *otMediterraneanWoman
8 weeks ago

NO !

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By (user no longer on site)
8 weeks ago

"Never for me, the car will depreciate by 40-50% in the 1st year, the 2nd market is non-existent, batteries do fail and go on fire, reliability is shit

Yes, petrol cars never catch fire. Petrol is notoriously fire resistant. "

They tend not to self combust.

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By *iking_on_a_bikeMan
8 weeks ago

marlborough

Think I’ll just buy a horse instead

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By *oelMan
8 weeks ago

Midlands, London, Brussels

"Think I’ll just buy a horse instead "

Horses for the win

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By *he naughty pairCouple
8 weeks ago

Bicester

"already have, doesn't cost me anything to charge it at home so a no brainer really.

Sounds wonderful

Sure if you've got many thousands to spend on solar panels, and you own a large house, and 20 years to repay the installation costs.

Rather excludes most people in the real world though."

Well very soon there will be a change in legislation around wiring which will allow plug in solar panel, which simply plug into your 3 pin plug to reduce your consumption. So far the only ones I've seen range between £250 and £450 a panel, they claim they can save you £100 a year so yes there is a 4.5 year pay back but you have no set up costs and can buy them over time.

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By *ieandteaseMan
8 weeks ago

Wiltshire

Is this the thread for, the Summers aren't getting hotter, the ice caps aren't melting, mosquitoes aren't being found in the UK, the water reservoirs don't get lower each summer?

Can't be to do with events on Earth, nah Jupiter is just going around Mars. It will all be fine for Christmas.

Factor 50 anyone?

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By *ime2TingleCouple
8 weeks ago

South Essex

As of the 1st April the cost to charge an EV at home went down from 7p to 5.2p, meaning per mile I am now paying 1.3p per mile in fuel cost. Yes pay per mile is coming and let’s say it’s the 3p as the government announced, it’s still only 4.3p per mile. Just to scale that up, if you do 12000 per year it’s £516 tax and fuel for the year, but for the next two years only £156. Add in no defrosting, always warm or cool when you need it, quiet, relatively quick especially of the line, and much more comfortable to drive especially in traffic. I won’t go back to an ICE for a daily drive.

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By *gly duck cdTV/TS
8 weeks ago

middlesbrough

I’m the older generation and was always for petrol / diesel, was looking to change my car last November and popped into a car dealer to check out a Volvo xc I was looking for ( the one they had was a phev ) I was only looking for diesel, but thought I’d give it a look over and take it for a test drive to see how they drove and then find a diesel one , I actually ended up buying it and works out brilliant for me as my commute to work and back is about 16miles which it does without using the engine . It has changed my prospective on electric vehicles and would definitely consider going full electric.

Only gripe is road tax as it gets stung with the luxury vehicle tax as they haven’t raised the £40k limit but you could exceed that with a lot of petrol and diesel models easily now

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By *adyLover56Man
8 weeks ago

Wisbech

NEVER

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By *ime2TingleCouple
8 weeks ago

South Essex

"EVs are brilliant for short city journeys. Should be a no brainer. But lots of people in towns live in flats or on streets where there is no drive and congested on street parking. Home charging is impossible for a large percentage of the target market."

I assume you have never done a long journey in a modern EV. I regularly drive the Black Forest in Germany, and it takes two 20 min charges to make the trip in my EV. Most of the route is through France, and doing the same trip in the EV vs Petrol the year before there was no difference in arrival time. The only difference was where we stopped for driver change overs / eat etc. The only difference is an element of planning which you don’t have to do in a petrol car, however you also don’t have to do it in a EV if you know the area your driving in.

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By *oublethefun123Couple
8 weeks ago

Glossop

I drive around 30k miles a year. An EV makes absolute sense for me cost wise if nothing else. I’ll never go back to a petrol car. Although Rachel Reeves and her pay per mile cash grab is annoying.

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By *lderflowerAppleWoman
8 weeks ago

Hampshire

No. I couldn't charge at home and the infrastructure just isn't strong enough here. I only fill up once a month at the moment, so fuel prices and potential shortages are less likely (I'm not saying won't) to impact me significantly. When I bought my current car (a self charging hybrid) 4 years ago, my plan was to keep it for as long as ten years (assuming it keeps going that long!) and I currently have no reason to alter that plan.

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By *urry BlokeMan
8 weeks ago

I drive a diesel hybrid which is great on fuel (thankfully)

I have considered an electric car but I don't think it is viable for me

My driveway is separate from the house with a public right of way between the two - so it would be public charging only for me

I also do circa 25,000 miles a year (all social & commuting) - so that's a lot of charging

EV depreciation is silly too so, for me, the only option would be to opt for PCP (which I detest)

In addition, now that the government seem intent on removing the benefits of EV ownership - vehicle road tax + an additional cost per mile scheme, I just feel that despite the cost of diesel, for me, personally, a swap to electric is just not worth the punt

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By *007ManMan
8 weeks ago

Worthing

Nope. Have a small bump they will write it off. Just one of the many reasons. With push for nutty zero and an unreliable electric supply as a result, evs are a no.

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By *igBeardyDanMan
8 weeks ago

Bilston

No chance

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By *olo180Man
8 weeks ago

Greater London

I live in a flat so can’t install a charger.

If I had a driveway and could do that then I would consider it. Until then petrol all the way

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By *im47ukMan
8 weeks ago

Warrington

I was anti EV as my work involved travelling 30,000 miles a year. Now on my second EV and travelled all around the UK as well as France and Germany. Charging at home is ultra cheap and even charging on the road doesn't have to be expensive. EVs are not perfect but neither are petrol or diesel.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
8 weeks ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

I can't wait to get one. Cheaper to run, as reliable as any other car, the recharge price less liable to fluctuate due to international events, etc,

For me there's no downside.

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By *artorialMan
8 weeks ago

weymouth

Cost to change is too high, vans owned outright to change it would be circa £45k. That's a hell of a lot of diesel and maintenance bills to recoup

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By *oundtightCouple
8 weeks ago

Manchester

"nutty zero"

Are they doing low calorie spunk now?

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By *htcMan
8 weeks ago

Nope. Plan to keep my diesel until it dies, still running like it did when brand new 10 years ago, no major issues. Then will consider my options.

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By *orknmindy21Couple
8 weeks ago

Newtownards

A definite no biggest cod of the century 💩

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By *ophieslut OP TV/TS
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8 weeks ago

Central

A fair few are positive in their posts. I'm wondering whether I should consider it, as it seems not to, given the low cost per mile and I drive well above average levels

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By (user no longer on site)
8 weeks ago

Not for me, I’ve had hybrid company cars in the past and they were pretty cheap to run, but I’d never go full electric personally

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By *oughmanMan
8 weeks ago

Sunderland

No. The infrastructure still isn't there. The running costs aren't cheaper when it's all taken into account. And they cost too much to purchase in the first place. No I would never consider it at the moment.

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By *ntraditional_GentMan
8 weeks ago

Uttoxeter

If you can home-charge, it’s a no-brainer for most people that are buying a new car. My requirements for a car have always been- does it look alright, is it going to cost a bomb to keep, and can I fit my dogs in? I couldn’t give a toss if it’s got a fancy badge, what the 0-60 is, or what it sounds like.

I’ll stick to my diesel until it goes to the scrapyard in the sky, but I’ll almost certainly go electric next time.

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By *oundtightCouple
8 weeks ago

Manchester

"A fair few are positive in their posts. I'm wondering whether I should consider it, as it seems not to, given the low cost per mile and I drive well above average levels "

Make a spreadsheet 😎

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By *ortheastFarmerMan
8 weeks ago

Northumberland

Nah, they serve no purpose to me. I need the torque and power of diesel engines

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By *nglo-Indian-DelightCouple
8 weeks ago

Worcestershire

Wouldn't buy one, but am leasing one, via salary sacrifice, so saving money on income tax and fuel, but still own a diesel. EV's aren't planet saving green machines, just another fad.

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By *umfun24Man
8 weeks ago

wilmslow

It is a complicated topic. Firstly the real eco argument is complex. The eco cost of building an EV is very high and I have been told that the environmental side doesn’t balance out with combustion engine vehicles until nearly 60,000 miles. That’s if the electric you use is truly green.

The cost to buy is higher, but the running costs can be significantly lower, especially if you do charge at home and sign up to a suitable off peak tariff.

A full EV vehicle has 10% of the moving parts of a combustion engine vehicle, so far less to go wrong. An EV service is a 30 minute job compared to several hours for some petrol car services, so again, it can be cheaper.

You can get really clever with some EV’s and use it as a battery to power your house. Charging up at cheap rates and using stored electricity to avoid buying at peak rates.

You need to look at range and check what journeys you actually do, and see if there is a match. Half the cost of an EV Is the battery and the smaller the battery, the cheaper the car, but the less range you get. If you’re charging away from home, it’s likely more expensive than diesel, and you’re waiting around for ages. The charging infrastructure is getting better in most places, but you certainly don’t have the freedom that a petrol or diesel car gives you.

If you are a 2 car family, making one an EV is probably a good option.

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By *hamallamadingdongMan
8 weeks ago

London

"It is a complicated topic. Firstly the real eco argument is complex. The eco cost of building an EV is very high and I have been told that the environmental side doesn’t balance out with combustion engine vehicles until nearly 60,000 miles. That’s if the electric you use is truly green.

The cost to buy is higher, but the running costs can be significantly lower, especially if you do charge at home and sign up to a suitable off peak tariff.

You can get really clever with some EV’s and use it as a battery to power your house. Charging up at cheap rates and using stored electricity to avoid buying at peak rates.

If you are a 2 car family, making one an EV is probably a good option. "

Decent points 👍🏾☺️

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By *nlyliveonce69Man
8 weeks ago

carlisle

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By *hamallamadingdongMan
8 weeks ago

London

I quite like the idea of hybrids.

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By *ill69888Couple
8 weeks ago

Bath

"Are you more open to an electric vehicle, now fuel prices are higher? Would fuel shortages push you towards liking one? "
no

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By *erry 58Man
8 weeks ago

doncaster

"Dunno why you'd go non-electric if you are buying new nowadays, vanishingly few reasons left to buy a new petrol/diesel car anymore.

Second hand market is starting to fill up too, and electric cars have much less to go wrong so they're savvy buys., A lot of working class people can’t afford the expense of a new EV , some of them are living month to month after paying mortgages etc

Getting caught up in culture wars is dumb, do the maths and buy the right car. For some people that's still gonna be petrol/diesel and that's fine too."

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By *ndycoinsMan
8 weeks ago

Whaley Bridge,Nr Buxton,

Electric prices up,Rachel Thieves bringing in an EV tax and lack of battery life.On average 7 years before performance falls away.At best the emissions savings break even at year 8.EV's are also heavier so you go through brake pads,disks and tyres faster than an ICE.

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By *hefoxesofpenCouple
8 weeks ago

chester

There is no doubt they have their upside.

Hubby leases one for commuting and tax purposes.

We have a few petrol cars, all would be considered fast.

The EV (Hyundai 5N) costs a quarter of my car and I wouldn't see it for dust. The acceleration is visceral.

Then throw in at home a full charge costs £8, its very cheap to run.

Obviously, not right for everyone, not as green as they are made out and risky in terms of being written off more often compared to “normal” cars- but seeing as EVERY car is a compromise in one way shape or form, the compromises are worth it to some.

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By *hefoxesofpenCouple
8 weeks ago

chester

"Electric prices up,Rachel Thieves bringing in an EV tax and lack of battery life.On average 7 years before performance falls away.At best the emissions savings break even at year 8.EV's are also heavier so you go through brake pads,disks and tyres faster than an ICE."

Not true. Due to regen braking there are loads of reports of EV’s being on original discs and pads with over 100000 on the clock. You can do entire journeys and not touch the brakes once.

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By *artorialMan
8 weeks ago

weymouth

Not true. Due to regen braking there are loads of reports of EV’s being on original discs and pads with over 100000 on the clock. You can do entire journeys and not touch the brakes once. "

That'll annoy the IAM examiners - brakes are for slowing not engine braking (continual narrative in my ear as I tried to break the habit of a lifetime)

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By *ongJohnSilva2.0Man
8 weeks ago

Right up your street

"Never for me, the car will depreciate by 40-50% in the 1st year, the 2nd market is non-existent, batteries do fail and go on fire, reliability is shit

Yes, petrol cars never catch fire. Petrol is notoriously fire resistant.

They tend not to self combust."

Fuel tanker in Telford today that self combusted must’ve been carrying electric fuel then

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By *iking_on_a_bikeMan
8 weeks ago

marlborough

As mentioned earlier, just going to buy a horse.

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By *izzy.Woman
8 weeks ago

Stoke area

I am on my third EV. Cheap to run, fun to drive, less likely to go on fire despite what some people seem to believe.

I lease mine and keep for three years. My new one ( profile photo Hyundai Ioniq 6) is really fast and has a range of over 300 miles which is ample for most of my journeys.

They dont suit everyone. Public charging is more expensive than home charging, but stopping for 20 minutes on a long journey is needed for concentration anyway.

But people should drive what they want and what suits them.

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By *porty_and_NaughtyCouple
8 weeks ago

Swansea

I'm just amazed at the same arguments being trotted out as 10 years ago.

So,they are significantly less of a fire risk than ICE vehicles. Range is a more tricky one, the cost of increasing comes up against the amount of customers prepared to pay that cost. There are plenty of cars around though that come close to 400 mile actual range, and a lot more over 300. There are very few people needing more than that a day.

Home charging is an issue though charging points in car parks are becoming increasingly common allowing charging while shopping/in the gym etc.

Are they perfect? No. Is the level of hatred against them irrational? Yes. I find it strange just how emotional the responses are to EVs - and even stranger to read the half arsed, factually incorrect or plain non-sensical arguments.

There are some genuine trains to not choose an EV, there are some genuine concerns, it is even possible to think that they're be a great idea but still not want to invest all that money in something you are unsure of -but there are previous few on this thread that fall into any of these categories. Most are scared of something new and pretending that isn't the case.

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By *porty_and_NaughtyCouple
8 weeks ago

Swansea

"Never for me, the car will depreciate by 40-50% in the 1st year, the 2nd market is non-existent, batteries do fail and go on fire, reliability is shit

Yes, petrol cars never catch fire. Petrol is notoriously fire resistant.

They tend not to self combust."

Here's an idea that may save you embarrassing yourself continually. Pop on Google and look stuff up before you confidently claim to know things that are complete bollocks. A quick check will show that (depending on the study and the country) ICE vehicles catch fire anything from 20 up to 80 times more often than EV's.

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By *illxxMan
8 weeks ago

motherwell

Had a hybrid for two years NEVER have an other one. You will need to factor in the price of replacing the batteries they are between £6000 to £ 23.000 depending of the make of the car.

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By *hrill CollinsMan
8 weeks ago

The Outer Rim

"already have, doesn't cost me anything to charge it at home so a no brainer really.

Sounds wonderful "

it's pretty good but then i've had solar panels for the last 20 something years with a battery wall and am a net exporter of energy to the grid. plus i get 45 per mile tax allowance for business use. the car cost 11 grand with 16000 miles on the clock. do your homework on wether it works for you but i ain't grumbling

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By *icolerobbieCouple
8 weeks ago

Walsall

Not true. Due to regen braking there are loads of reports of EV’s being on original discs and pads with over 100000 on the clock. You can do entire journeys and not touch the brakes once. "

The bit about the more expensive and wear out quicker tyres is true though.

True regarding brake pads. Some EVs have needed replacement discs due to corrosion, long before they’ve actually worn out. Using the motors as brakes avoids a lot of brake use and wear.

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By *icolerobbieCouple
8 weeks ago

Walsall

"I'm just amazed at the same arguments being trotted out as 10 years ago.

Home charging is an issue though charging points in car parks are becoming increasingly common allowing charging while shopping/in the gym etc.

Thing is, the same things still exist after 10 years. Poor infrastructure, expensive insurance, poor battery range to name a few. They might be improving, but they’re not there yet. The incentive to own one no longer exists for the average joe, pay per mile, high purchase tax when new, expensive to buy in the first place.

They’ll get there, but it does feel painfully slow.

I did read about a new car that could charge in 5 mins though, if that’s true it will be a game changer.

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By *hat.coupleCouple
8 weeks ago

Kent

We just got a PHEV, its the way to go. The petrol engine kicks in to charge the electric battery. Its much more economical

Mrs x

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By *oundtightCouple
8 weeks ago

Manchester

"We just got a PHEV, its the way to go. The petrol engine kicks in to charge the electric battery. Its much more economical

Mrs x"

PHEV is the best AND worst of both worlds though. All the maintenance and servicing of an ICE car plus all the things that can go wrong with an EV, added together. More expensive, too.

No doubt they're the right option for some people though.

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By *ampireWolvesMan
8 weeks ago

Essex

I have an electric and although I need to forward plan, actually think it’s great! No regrets

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By *ray_BTWMan
8 weeks ago

Worcester

I fully charge my Tesla 380 miles for around £7 at home.....no brainer.

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By *ophieslut OP TV/TS
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8 weeks ago

Central

"I fully charge my Tesla 380 miles for around £7 at home.....no brainer."

I frequently used to drive to Scotland and several hundred miles range would have been needed then. My lifestyle is different and I do a few hundred miles a week now, so thinking I should consider them.

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By *an ClioCouple
8 weeks ago

Boston

EV's make sense of you drive less than 100 miles a day as that is about what you can get from the wall in the time you have the really cheap rate electricity. If you need extra then jumping up from 8p to 30p kWh is still preferable to the 90p from a public charger.

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By *onin25Man
8 weeks ago

Durham

"I pay £620pa road tax for having a hybrid - factor that into cost of running 🙄"

That's based on the list price of the car when new. Not because it's a hybrid.

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By *oublethefun123Couple
8 weeks ago

Glossop

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By *oublethefun123Couple
8 weeks ago

Glossop

"EV's make sense of you drive less than 100 miles a day as that is about what you can get from the wall in the time you have the really cheap rate electricity. If you need extra then jumping up from 8p to 30p kWh is still preferable to the 90p from a public charger."

I mean, that’s just not true at all. If I needed to, I could fully charge mine every night at the cheap rate - currently 5.2p/kwh. To go from 0-100% at that rate would cost around £5 which is then good for around 300 miles.

Someone earlier in the tread said it well. There can be a variety of reasons why an EV might not be suitable for some people, but making problems up shouldn’t be one of them.

Honestly, I don’t get why people become so emotive about this subject. If you want one, get one. If you don’t, don’t.

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By *ineteen89Man
8 weeks ago

Swindon

My next car will be electric - my car goes to work Monday and stays there till Friday, so I’d leave it on charge the week (slow charger) - and lots of hotels I might go to for clubs and events have chargers on site. For my use case it’s be perfect - and if I really really need to be able to go long distances, I’d probably look at renting a vehicle. Or public transport if it’s proper far.

Don’t get me wrong, I hate they’re so tech filled, but what new car isn’t these days? I only require it to have proper door handles and I’m good

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By *ime2TingleCouple
8 weeks ago

South Essex

Someone earlier in the tread said it well. There can be a variety of reasons why an EV might not be suitable for some people, but making problems up shouldn’t be one of them.

Honestly, I don’t get why people become so emotive about this subject. If you want one, get one. If you don’t, don’t."

I understand the emotion. If you enjoy driving, the interaction with you the driver and a mechanic device then EVs just can’t achieve that connection. That said most cars since the early 2000 also fail this criteria. I own a classic ICE and an EV for a daily. The EV is a soulless appliance, the classic is the embodiment of driving pleasure.

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By *adyLover56Man
8 weeks ago

Wisbech

Don't care, personally I will never ever buy electric

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By *ayKellyMan
8 weeks ago

Kinross

I will never drive an EV

Ed Miliband is destroying the UK with his Green Energy nonsense and forcing Green Energy Levies on us all.

We must increase North Sea oil and gas production and exploration and allow the go-ahead of Rosebank, Cambo and Jackdaw.

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By *ray_BTWMan
8 weeks ago

Worcester

"I fully charge my Tesla 380 miles for around £7 at home.....no brainer.

Absolutely you should, I won't be going back to a combustion engine.

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By *nlyliveonce69Man
8 weeks ago

carlisle

When the engines replaced horses you did not have to tax and try bad horses to get people to turn to using petrol cars.

I electric cars so much better people would want to move not be forced

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By *aptaincaveman88Man
8 weeks ago

TEESSIDE

Seen too maby stories of batteries dying on them and being quoted twice as much as the cars worth to replace. Whe the cars less than 10 years old. They may look nice and snazzy but theyre a throwaway now not built to last.

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By *abioMan
8 weeks ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"I pay £620pa road tax for having a hybrid - factor that into cost of running 🙄"

Only if you have a 50k car bought after April 25…. Then it’s 195pa

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By *abioMan
8 weeks ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

" No, especially as pay per mile is going ahead. "

Looked into it….it’s actually not as scary as the people want to make out….

Yes it’s 3p a mile… the average person in the uk drives 8k miles a year… so let’s take 10k miles as an example

In January you estimate you will do 10k in the year… that’s equates to £300, which you pay in monthly instalments (25 per month)

at the end of the year you tell them how many miles you actually did…. If it’s more you pay extra… if it’s less you actually get a rebate

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By *esYesOMGYes!Man
8 weeks ago

Didsbury

When cars replaced horses they were widely seen as the cleaner alternative. At the time city roads were rivers deep in horse crap.

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By (user no longer on site)
8 weeks ago

You may save money per mile driven but the depreciation is catastrophic. With regular maintenance an ice engine will last a lot longer than batteries.

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By *abioMan
8 weeks ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

This is the info I researched as I loved my Prius hybrid but it was on its last legs….so took the plunge and went EV …. Never going to suggest to anyone buying new as depreciation on any car is wild… so ended up buying a 3 year old model Y with 30k on it… and since the battery has an 8 year, 120k miles warranty on it.. I think I am good for at least the next 5 years

But some of the scare stories people put out are wild… the reality is that an ICE car is still 10 times more likely to catch fire than an EV

I am lucky as I don’t have the home charging yet, but I have 3 different Tesla superchargering locations just up the road

But it has absolutely started conversations between me and a lot of neighbours about what they will get next and the possibility of getting in communal chargers

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By *hefoxesofpenCouple
8 weeks ago

chester

" No, especially as pay per mile is going ahead.

Looked into it….it’s actually not as scary as the people want to make out….

Yes it’s 3p a mile… the average person in the uk drives 8k miles a year… so let’s take 10k miles as an example

In January you estimate you will do 10k in the year… that’s equates to £300, which you pay in monthly instalments (25 per month)

at the end of the year you tell them how many miles you actually did…. If it’s more you pay extra… if it’s less you actually get a rebate "

Its all relative towards overall cost being generally cheaper for home charging than fossil fuel.

I have today filled up a car- 150 on diesel. It will get me around 350 miles.

That 150 on our home charging rate will get hubbys electric car at least 3000 miles, even with the 3p factored in.

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By *abioMan
8 weeks ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"You may save money per mile driven but the depreciation is catastrophic. With regular maintenance an ice engine will last a lot longer than batteries. "

The depreciation on Any new car is catastrophic regardless of it being ICE, Hybrid or EV….. And an EV needs less servicing and maintenance overall than an ICE car

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By *hrill CollinsMan
8 weeks ago

The Outer Rim

" No, especially as pay per mile is going ahead.

Looked into it….it’s actually not as scary as the people want to make out….

Yes it’s 3p a mile… the average person in the uk drives 8k miles a year… so let’s take 10k miles as an example

In January you estimate you will do 10k in the year… that’s equates to £300, which you pay in monthly instalments (25 per month)

at the end of the year you tell them how many miles you actually did…. If it’s more you pay extra… if it’s less you actually get a rebate "

ice cars are being charged at 9.7p per mile in tax which is of course a whopping 6.7p more than the proposed 3p per mile for ev's

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By *ayKellyMan
8 weeks ago

Kinross

" No, especially as pay per mile is going ahead.

Looked into it….it’s actually not as scary as the people want to make out….

Yes it’s 3p a mile… the average person in the uk drives 8k miles a year… so let’s take 10k miles as an example

In January you estimate you will do 10k in the year… that’s equates to £300, which you pay in monthly instalments (25 per month)

at the end of the year you tell them how many miles you actually did…. If it’s more you pay extra… if it’s less you actually get a rebate

Its all relative towards overall cost being generally cheaper for home charging than fossil fuel.

I have today filled up a car- 150 on diesel. It will get me around 350 miles.

That 150 on our home charging rate will get hubbys electric car at least 3000 miles, even with the 3p factored in.

What Diesel car do you drive... £150 to fill??

My Toyota Hilux took 65 litres from Empty to full, and at £1.89 per litre, that was £122 from empty to Full and provides 460 miles. It has an 80 litre tank but always fill when reserve light comes on and at that point it takes 65 litres.

I never take it any lower as I don't want the dregs of the tank going through my fuel injectors

I love my 4x4 and penny pinching like so many on here, is not my issue.

I drive both on, and offroad and average between 20,000 - 30,000 miles per year as I love driving and touring.

I guess those who live on the poverty line are counting and saving the pennies and perhaps even being forced onto EV'S

That's your decision if you're skint.

And back to the previous post, what diesel car do you drive that costs you £150?

That's roughly an 80 litre tank, and to only get 350 miles from 80 litres of fuel, I suggest your car needs a good service.

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By *ttmcdguyTV/TS
8 weeks ago

"Never for me, the car will depreciate by 40-50% in the 1st year, the 2nd market is non-existent, batteries do fail and go on fire, reliability is shit

Yes, petrol cars never catch fire. Petrol is notoriously fire resistant. "

Ask the fire brigade what fire they wouldn’t want to extinguish! Petrol or ev!

Or ask a recovery company what the method is for recovering and storing a damaged ev!

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By *oupleforadventureCouple
8 weeks ago

ipswich

Bought one recently. Love it.

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By *hefoxesofpenCouple
8 weeks ago

chester

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By *abioMan
8 weeks ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

" No, especially as pay per mile is going ahead.

Looked into it….it’s actually not as scary as the people want to make out….

Yes it’s 3p a mile… the average person in the uk drives 8k miles a year… so let’s take 10k miles as an example

In January you estimate you will do 10k in the year… that’s equates to £300, which you pay in monthly instalments (25 per month)

at the end of the year you tell them how many miles you actually did…. If it’s more you pay extra… if it’s less you actually get a rebate

Its all relative towards overall cost being generally cheaper for home charging than fossil fuel.

I have today filled up a car- 150 on diesel. It will get me around 350 miles.

That 150 on our home charging rate will get hubbys electric car at least 3000 miles, even with the 3p factored in.

What Diesel car do you drive... £150 to fill??

I never take it any lower as I don't want the dregs of the tank going through my fuel injectors

I love my 4x4 and penny pinching like so many on here, is not my issue.

I drive both on, and offroad and average between 20,000 - 30,000 miles per year as I love driving and touring.

I guess those who live on the poverty line are counting and saving the pennies and perhaps even being forced onto EV'S

That's your decision if you're skint.

And back to the previous post, what diesel car do you drive that costs you £150?

That's roughly an 80 litre tank, and to only get 350 miles from 80 litres of fuel, I suggest your car needs a good service."

That’s a weird attack to make without taking on the point that was made…

As let’s replace their figure.. 350 miles… with your figure… 460 miles

460 miles for your tank fuel… vs around 2500 miles for the same £120 pounds with their EV

So you told them!!!! Right???

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By *tiffycockMan
8 weeks ago

mold

I drive a wheelchair car and if ev ran out on trip I would be stuck. Range is not good as waiting in a wheelchair for it to charge would be so much hassle to me. Also I dont know if a wheelchair ev is possible as lowered floor for ramp. Cost would be so much more too as motability want 5k+ for deposit as is. Not for me for these reasons

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By *hefoxesofpenCouple
8 weeks ago

chester

Its a 25 plate VW Amarok

Its an 80 litre tank and I paid 1.97 a litre- it was on absolute fumes.

at best I see 22/23 mpg- sometimes less. Granted, I do lots of short journeys, which won’t help.

Even on a motorway (which it absolutely sucks at) it’s only 26mpg or so.

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By *abioMan
8 weeks ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Never for me, the car will depreciate by 40-50% in the 1st year, the 2nd market is non-existent, batteries do fail and go on fire, reliability is shit

Yes, petrol cars never catch fire. Petrol is notoriously fire resistant.

Ask the fire brigade what fire they wouldn’t want to extinguish! Petrol or ev!

Or ask a recovery company what the method is for recovering and storing a damaged ev!

But that still doesn’t cover the fact that an ICE car is still 10 times more likely to catch fire than an EV

Again that making an argument without talking about the actual point being made!

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By *hefoxesofpenCouple
8 weeks ago

chester

And its not driven by being skint either- My Aston does less MPG than the pick up, but I’m not complaining

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By *hovskolMan
8 weeks ago

South Manchester

Got an electric car and fucking love it.

Drives great, really good tech, traction control, 400+hp, goes like shit and costs me and £6 to fully charged it. Costs me any £20/mo in electricity.

Would never go back to petrol now.

Favourite thing is having the car warm and defrosted before I get in it.

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By *ophieslut OP TV/TS
Forum Mod
8 weeks ago

Central

Some interesting points

. I don't know if I read that the new car price differential between EV and petrol cars has now disappeared

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By *abioMan
8 weeks ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Some interesting points

. I don't know if I read that the new car price differential between EV and petrol cars has now disappeared "

Yes and no… the thing is EVs were seen as luxury priced items… but the good thing is that smaller EVs are coming

Kia EV3/2, the new VW golf and polo, the new Ford fiesta, Renault 4/5, Nissan Leaf and juke

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By *ayKellyMan
8 weeks ago

Kinross

" No, especially as pay per mile is going ahead.

Looked into it….it’s actually not as scary as the people want to make out….

Yes it’s 3p a mile… the average person in the uk drives 8k miles a year… so let’s take 10k miles as an example

In January you estimate you will do 10k in the year… that’s equates to £300, which you pay in monthly instalments (25 per month)

at the end of the year you tell them how many miles you actually did…. If it’s more you pay extra… if it’s less you actually get a rebate

Its all relative towards overall cost being generally cheaper for home charging than fossil fuel.

I have today filled up a car- 150 on diesel. It will get me around 350 miles.

That 150 on our home charging rate will get hubbys electric car at least 3000 miles, even with the 3p factored in.

What Diesel car do you drive... £150 to fill??

I never take it any lower as I don't want the dregs of the tank going through my fuel injectors

I love my 4x4 and penny pinching like so many on here, is not my issue.

I drive both on, and offroad and average between 20,000 - 30,000 miles per year as I love driving and touring.

I guess those who live on the poverty line are counting and saving the pennies and perhaps even being forced onto EV'S

That's your decision if you're skint.

And back to the previous post, what diesel car do you drive that costs you £150?

That's roughly an 80 litre tank, and to only get 350 miles from 80 litres of fuel, I suggest your car needs a good service.

That’s a weird attack to make without taking on the point that was made…

As let’s replace their figure.. 350 miles… with your figure… 460 miles

460 miles for your tank fuel… vs around 2500 miles for the same £120 pounds with their EV

So you told them!!!! Right???

What part of "penny pinching is not my issue" do you not understand?

Plus I drive offroad and live Rural which you will never understand.

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By *ayKellyMan
8 weeks ago

Kinross

"And its not driven by being skint either- My Aston does less MPG than the pick up, but I’m not complaining

Exactly

All the EV drivers want to mention on here is how much pennies they are saving (miserable gits) they probably sit in their house with no heating and have a bath once a month to save more pennies

Miserable sods.

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By *hefoxesofpenCouple
8 weeks ago

chester

"And its not driven by being skint either- My Aston does less MPG than the pick up, but I’m not complaining

Exactly

All the EV drivers want to mention on here is how much pennies they are saving (miserable gits) they probably sit in their house with no heating and have a bath once a month to save more pennies

Miserable sods."

I think you've missed my point- we have an EV not specifically as it’s cheap to run, nor to save money, nor because we begrudge paying for fossil fuel.

But you cannot get away from the fact that if you lease one (so no depreciation, battery longevity, servicing bills to worry about) it can be a prudent decision.

Simply, for him an EV makes sense to run as a daily car, including tax, performance (it costs a quarter of my Aston, but in a straight line is quicker) and practicality (its a hatchback and roomy) and he never drives much more than 100 miles in a day.

So, for SOME people an EV will be great, for others not.

It doesn't mean one group is superior to the other.

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By *oundtightCouple
8 weeks ago

Manchester

"And its not driven by being skint either- My Aston does less MPG than the pick up, but I’m not complaining

Exactly

All the EV drivers want to mention on here is how much pennies they are saving (miserable gits) they probably sit in their house with no heating and have a bath once a month to save more pennies

Miserable sods."

Most people want to spend less money to run their car, even if it means making Ed Milliband look like he's doing a good job

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By *ovelyDayXXXWoman
8 weeks ago

Niche

If they install a solar panel on the roof of one so it never runs dry then maybe.

Not all have the option to charge from home.

You can't be spontaneous if you're needing a charge.

What if you're flat and have an emergency? No option to top up in 2mins

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By *iredhand2Man
8 weeks ago

Sale

Keeping to the original subject or the thread, EVs are much cheaper to run if you charge at home regardless of whether petrol/diesel prices are up or down. It’s not that different if you can’t.

No point in getting into the EV vs ICE debate. There will always be those that prefer the latter, and within that those that prefer petrol to diesel. Everyone has their preferences. However, there is a lot of misinformation about EVs. If you are even remotely considering an EV do your homework thoroughly. At the moment it is best to lease if you’re looking at new, as the depreciation can be significant (as it can be with luxury ICE cars). Battery technology is constantly improving too giving another reason to lease rather than buy.

With the Chinese manufacturers launching several new EV brands in the UK it is becoming a buyers market and there are some great deals to be had. Leasing also means that you’re not responsible for the luxury car tax if the RRP is over £40k.

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By *atnip make me purrWoman
8 weeks ago

Reading

Right now I don't have the ability to charge one so I couldn't get one.

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By *hrill CollinsMan
8 weeks ago

The Outer Rim

"And its not driven by being skint either- My Aston does less MPG than the pick up, but I’m not complaining

Exactly

All the EV drivers want to mention on here is how much pennies they are saving (miserable gits) they probably sit in their house with no heating and have a bath once a month to save more pennies

Miserable sods."

peak irony now reached

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By *ovelyDayXXXWoman
8 weeks ago

Niche

Who knew EV cars would become the new middle class divider

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By *oundtightCouple
8 weeks ago

Manchester

"If they install a solar panel on the roof of one so it never runs dry then maybe."

Some cars have these but they don't really work because they're too small for a decent array. For example on a merc apparently they add 15 miles in 2 hours, in good daytime sunlight.

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By *hovskolMan
8 weeks ago

South Manchester

For me there's a few reasons why I voted one

1) I love new tech, an electric car is a lot simpler in theory and less to go wrong

2) no more topping up oil, burning petrol

3) great performance and fun to drive

4) automatic and can follow stop-start traffic

5) handy remote control features

6) cheaper to run, but I would still get one even if it cost me more than petrol

7) one pedal driving works great

8) in the time it takes to go to the services and get a coffee I can have the battery mostly charged.

There are some bad EVs out there, especially ones aimed at traditional car drivers. Drove a Mercedes EQB and it was horrible in comparison.

Fossil fuels will eventually run out, and we can't rely on them forever. We need to mine with the times, some form of EV is going to feature heavily.

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By *nlyliveonce69Man
7 weeks ago

carlisle

Sorry call me a dinosaur if you like

I might have been driving a long time But put my car i to sport mode nothing sounds better than hearing than engine scream as you go.

Same as taking my landrover off road skill of what gear to climb hills etc.

I just done see how listening to a sewing machine can ever give same excitement!!!

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By *orny IrishMan
7 weeks ago

North Wiltshire

I was doing regular commutes of around an 1 hour each way so my diesel was fine. Now it's 15 monute drives I am monitoring how the DPF holds up. But BEV would not work but the right PHEV which could ideally do the drive to work and back on all electric might be an option. But not so much driven by cost of fuel but maintenance and risk of high bills if DPF starts playing up etc.

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By *lue Eyed JokerMan
7 weeks ago

Always on the move

"And its not driven by being skint either- My Aston does less MPG than the pick up, but I’m not complaining

Exactly

All the EV drivers want to mention on here is how much pennies they are saving (miserable gits) they probably sit in their house with no heating and have a bath once a month to save more pennies

Miserable sods."

Personally, the "cheap to run" is one of the last things I mention when somebody asks me why I (a self confessed petrol head with a history of many cars and bikes) have chosen an EV.

First point is always, INSTANT tyre shredding torque. Acceleration is additive, the tech is incredible, its a nice place to sit on a long motorway drive, it looks good, oh yeah, and they're cheap to run.

And the Daily Mail horror stories about not being able to drive with lights or heating on is just that. Nonsensical scaremongering bollocks.

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By *ayKellyMan
7 weeks ago

Kinross

"For me there's a few reasons why I voted one

1) I love new tech, an electric car is a lot simpler in theory and less to go wrong

2) no more topping up oil, burning petrol

3) great performance and fun to drive

4) automatic and can follow stop-start traffic

5) handy remote control features

6) cheaper to run, but I would still get one even if it cost me more than petrol

7) one pedal driving works great

8) in the time it takes to go to the services and get a coffee I can have the battery mostly charged.

There are some bad EVs out there, especially ones aimed at traditional car drivers. Drove a Mercedes EQB and it was horrible in comparison.

Fossil fuels will eventually run out, and we can't rely on them forever. We need to mine with the times, some form of EV is going to feature heavily."

Fossil fuels will eventually run out

Do you not realise that you need fossil fuels to manufacture EV'S

Everything within the car was manufactured using fossil fuel, including the tyres

Then look at everything in your home, most goods require fossil fuels in manufacturing

Now, go open your medicine cabinet, want to know how many medicines require petrochemicals in manufacturing

But hey ho, fossil fuels are running out

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By *siris01Man
7 weeks ago

Luton

Enjoy EVs while you can...but it's a bit of a fools paradise....the Government take £billions in fuel duty on petrol & diesel....does anyone really think they are gonna just give that up if everyone went electric ?.

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By *randMrsNorthernCouple
7 weeks ago

Cheshire

"Enjoy EVs while you can...but it's a bit of a fools paradise....the Government take £billions in fuel duty on petrol & diesel....does anyone really think they are gonna just give that up if everyone went electric ?."

I called it years ago.

They’ve already started road tax on them etc.

Only a matter of time.

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By *ayKellyMan
7 weeks ago

Kinross

I called it years ago.

They’ve already started road tax on them etc.

Only a matter of time. "

lol, you are replying to a "Single" man, you know, the ones that you refuse to acknowledge on fab according to your profile 🤣 😉 😄

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By *erryspringerMan
7 weeks ago

Glasgow

"Never for me, the car will depreciate by 40-50% in the 1st year, the 2nd market is non-existent, batteries do fail and go on fire, reliability is shit

Yes, petrol cars never catch fire. Petrol is notoriously fire resistant. "

A very common myth is that any Electric vehicles will catch fire at some point in its life.

Data proves that the likelihood of an EV catching fire is significantly less than that of a petrol or diesel car.

The fire service estimated that, out the 100000 vehicles catching fire in UK every year, approximately 0.24% is an EV.

UK records for 2022 to 2023 show that only 239 vehicles catching fire were electric.

Did you know? In America, data from the National Transportation Safety Board reported that battery-powered vehicles suffer 25 fires for every 100,000 sold, compared to 1,530 fires for petrol vehicles.

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By *randMrsNorthernCouple
7 weeks ago

Cheshire

I called it years ago.

They’ve already started road tax on them etc.

Only a matter of time.

lol, you are replying to a "Single" man, you know, the ones that you refuse to acknowledge on fab according to your profile 🤣 😉 😄 "

Sour grapes??

We don’t meet or play with single men (and we do t like private messages off them) but have chatted to single men in clubs and replied to single men on the public forums.

Join the block list.

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By *oodmessMan
7 weeks ago

yumsville

"Never for me, the car will depreciate by 40-50% in the 1st year, the 2nd market is non-existent, batteries do fail and go on fire, reliability is shit

Yes, petrol cars never catch fire. Petrol is notoriously fire resistant.

A very common myth is that any Electric vehicles will catch fire at some point in its life.

Data proves that the likelihood of an EV catching fire is significantly less than that of a petrol or diesel car.

The fire service estimated that, out the 100000 vehicles catching fire in UK every year, approximately 0.24% is an EV.

UK records for 2022 to 2023 show that only 239 vehicles catching fire were electric.

I'm by no means anti-ev I'd get one in a minute if the insurance wasn't so high and mileage/infrastructure was dependable, but isn't it the intensity of the fires. An ICE car fire can be put out moderately easily, but a lithium battery burns far more intensely and quickly, releasing a variety of noxious gasses too?

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By *erryspringerMan
7 weeks ago

Glasgow

"Never for me, the car will depreciate by 40-50% in the 1st year, the 2nd market is non-existent, batteries do fail and go on fire, reliability is shit

Yes, petrol cars never catch fire. Petrol is notoriously fire resistant.

A very common myth is that any Electric vehicles will catch fire at some point in its life.

Data proves that the likelihood of an EV catching fire is significantly less than that of a petrol or diesel car.

The fire service estimated that, out the 100000 vehicles catching fire in UK every year, approximately 0.24% is an EV.

UK records for 2022 to 2023 show that only 239 vehicles catching fire were electric.

Doesn't diesel or petrol burning release gasses. Of course there are issues with putting the fires out, but its fairly new developing technology.

If you read up on BYD blade batteries you will see the progress bing made. It was the Tesla's catching fire that was creating the scare stories. Even they have started using the BYD batteries.

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By *4its2lateMan
7 weeks ago

Time

"Are you more open to an electric vehicle, now fuel prices are higher? Would fuel shortages push you towards liking one? "

Absolutely not!

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By *lik and PaulCouple
7 weeks ago

cahoots

I've been driving electric for some time now and love them. My son is in the motor trade, he also drives electric and got me into them.

I lease so no depreciation concerns, I can go around 300 miles on a charge which is more than enough and the cost of charging from home is significantly less than petrol or diesel.

I wouldn't switch back.

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By *earingpantiesTV/TS
7 weeks ago

warrington

Will never ever have one they are a crazy idea think they should be banned the planet has been around long enough plenty left for me in my life I like my big V8 petrol guzzler

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By *abioMan
7 weeks ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

I called it years ago.

They’ve already started road tax on them etc.

Only a matter of time. "

The road tax on them is either £195 for any car built before April 25, or under £40k.. and £605 for over £40k new cars…. I don’t begrudge not paying zero which is what I did on my old Prius before last year paying the princely amount of £20!

And even the 3p per mile for the average uk driver doing 8000 miles per year is only £240 ( which you would be paying £20 per month via direct debit)

I love the fact that people have such strong opinions on EV but never actually got behind the wheel of one… or just repeat scare stories or hit pieces that are not true

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By *ayKellyMan
7 weeks ago

Kinross

I called it years ago.

They’ve already started road tax on them etc.

Only a matter of time.

And even the 3p per mile for the average uk driver doing 8000 miles per year is only £240 ( which you would be paying £20 per month via direct debit)

I love the fact that people have such strong opinions on EV but never actually got behind the wheel of one… or just repeat scare stories or hit pieces that are not true

Who cares, lol

You stick to your wee EV and limited mileage and pretend to yourself that you're saving pennies whilst the rest of us get on with life and enjoy hundreds of miles of road with quick fueling.

If you can't afford petrol or diesel, then buy a good book to read whilst you recharge

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By *hovskolMan
7 weeks ago

South Manchester

Fossil fuels will eventually run out

Do you not realise that you need fossil fuels to manufacture EV'S

Everything within the car was manufactured using fossil fuel, including the tyres

Then look at everything in your home, most goods require fossil fuels in manufacturing

Now, go open your medicine cabinet, want to know how many medicines require petrochemicals in manufacturing

But hey ho, fossil fuels are running out

Please tell me about this unlimited supply of fossil fuels. The planet hasn't made any since the evolution of fungi.

We can reduce our reliance on petrochemicals as much as possible. Most simple organic compounds can be made synthetically. Production of cars is a one time thing, not continuously adding to pollution. The total carbon footprint of my car is 23.1tonnes, over it's entire lifespan. The average petrol car is 4.6 tonnes per year. I also checked and a ford focus eco boost needs 37.8 tonnes during production. Volvo is aiming to be net 0 by 2040.

Anyway, enjoy your life, I'm sure you don't care about the world you are leaving others

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By *anielpiercedMan
7 weeks ago

"Are you more open to an electric vehicle, now fuel prices are higher? Would fuel shortages push you towards liking one? "

Woukd rather walk than buy an electric car

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By *oundtightCouple
7 weeks ago

Manchester

"Are you more open to an electric vehicle, now fuel prices are higher? Would fuel shortages push you towards liking one?

Woukd rather walk than buy an electric car "

Commitment to a green future 💚

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By *ovechix69Man
7 weeks ago

north Northumberland

Nope another way for the government to control you and movement

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By *taffsguy2025Man
7 weeks ago

Lichfield

No way, This fuel rise is from the wankers above, to push good people towards crappy electric cars, tossers

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
7 weeks ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

The future will be green, otherwise there will be no future.

Seems a bit unfair to make things worse for future generations.

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By *rasshopper201Man
7 weeks ago

kendal

I haven’t read the whole forum on this but they don’t make a van that can do the miles I do with the weight I carry and when they do go wrong my garage can’t and won’t fix them so your tied to dealership and a wait also people saying about carbon foot print and that dont they need electricity to charge them and if we all go electric are there enough windmills and solar panels around to charge them all I’ve spoken to a few in the haulage business and they have tried them drivers suffer from distance worry and the trucks can’t make the distance with making stops for charging taking more time and costs for driver wages and customer delays the maths dont stack up commercially a small car on a regular run might work but the cost of charging point at home and the car isn’t worth it

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By *hovskolMan
7 weeks ago

South Manchester

The idea of incremental change, shifting to a sustainable future. Sure the infrastructure couldn't cope if we all changed overnight, but that's not the reality.

For long haulage improvements to rail infrastructure would be beneficial. Chemical fuels may still be needed for some scenarios, but didn't mean it's right for everybody.

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By *icolerobbieCouple
7 weeks ago

Walsall

I called it years ago.

They’ve already started road tax on them etc.

Only a matter of time.

And even the 3p per mile for the average uk driver doing 8000 miles per year is only £240 ( which you would be paying £20 per month via direct debit)

I love the fact that people have such strong opinions on EV but never actually got behind the wheel of one… or just repeat scare stories or hit pieces that are not true

3p a mile is the introductory thin end of the wedge.

Just my opinion, but I’ve seen it all before.

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By *mithy63Man
7 weeks ago

Ipswich

I have a hybrid, £20 a year to tax it and about 60mph so that works well for me.

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By *eekaboo BellyMan
7 weeks ago

Bradford

No still only ever buy bp ultimate. Car doesn't like anything else

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By *ust want fun 888Man
7 weeks ago

nearby

I’m not the smartest person, but isn’t fuel needed to create electricity therefore increasing the price of electricity so neither is cheaper

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By *ophieslut OP TV/TS
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7 weeks ago

Central

I called it years ago.

They’ve already started road tax on them etc.

Only a matter of time.

And even the 3p per mile for the average uk driver doing 8000 miles per year is only £240 ( which you would be paying £20 per month via direct debit)

I love the fact that people have such strong opinions on EV but never actually got behind the wheel of one… or just repeat scare stories or hit pieces that are not true

3p a mile is the introductory thin end of the wedge.

Just my opinion, but I’ve seen it all before.

With £billions lost to public finances from fuel taxes, they'll need to recover it somehow

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By *abioMan
7 weeks ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

I called it years ago.

They’ve already started road tax on them etc.

Only a matter of time.

And even the 3p per mile for the average uk driver doing 8000 miles per year is only £240 ( which you would be paying £20 per month via direct debit)

I love the fact that people have such strong opinions on EV but never actually got behind the wheel of one… or just repeat scare stories or hit pieces that are not true

Who cares, lol

You stick to your wee EV and limited mileage and pretend to yourself that you're saving pennies whilst the rest of us get on with life and enjoy hundreds of miles of road with quick fueling.

If you can't afford petrol or diesel, then buy a good book to read whilst you recharge

Thanks ray for kinda proving my last sentence point with your diatribe…

Why do you feel the need to personally attack people?

Does it scare you that much ?

You always have the first world answer of “being rich” and accuse others of being poor…

P.S… 460 mile on 65 litres works out at 32 miles per gallon… that’s erm.. not great to spend this amount of time bragging….

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By *ambertMan
7 weeks ago

Cheltenham

Not quite. I like the idea of electric cars, but if/until we are energy independent we will still held hostage by global events such as are happening now.

But if I could afford a new car, maybe it would be electric

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By *ornucopiaMan
7 weeks ago

Bexley

I am totally depressed over the thought of replacing my vehicles.

There is nothing currently available that I want to buy.

I want a useful simple vehicle where practicality and simplicity matters more than style.

I have owned seveal over the years which met this spec but they don't make them any more because the motoring world is obsessed with unecessary change and ever icreasing complexity.

For all of you who think things are improving, dream on. Not very long ago, I could have fixed almost anything on avehicle myself or with the aid of a reliable, cheap, local mechanic.

Either, you know what I am talking about or you believe all the consumer shite you are being fed by an industry which is there to rip off all the world's mugs.

These newcars migjt look simple to you if you are simple. However they are getting more and more complex with more and more obligatory gimmicks to help them fail MoT tests.

But of course, none of you lot know what an MoT test is because you change the vehicle before one is ever due!

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By *arakiss12TV/TS
7 weeks ago

Bedfuck

HVO Hydrotreated Veg Oil is the future.

Europe is getting on thus big time more station provide it , slowly coming here.

The Arabs are scared of this. It could kill the oil industry.

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By *arakiss12TV/TS
7 weeks ago

Bedfuck

"I am totally depressed over the thought of replacing my vehicles.

There is nothing currently available that I want to buy.

I want a useful simple vehicle where practicality and simplicity matters more than style.

I have owned seveal over the years which met this spec but they don't make them any more because the motoring world is obsessed with unecessary change and ever icreasing complexity.

For all of you who think things are improving, dream on. Not very long ago, I could have fixed almost anything on avehicle myself or with the aid of a reliable, cheap, local mechanic.

Either, you know what I am talking about or you believe all the consumer shite you are being fed by an industry which is there to rip off all the world's mugs.

These newcars migjt look simple to you if you are simple. However they are getting more and more complex with more and more obligatory gimmicks to help them fail MoT tests.

But of course, none of you lot know what an MoT test is because you change the vehicle before one is ever due!"

I agree, the car gas become a computer not. Diagnostics to tell me whats obviously wrong. Some so called professional services and dealers know how to stick it to the unwary customer.

Always get second third opinion and get someone to verify what they're doing is correct.

I'll buy a classic above a new car.

Capri.....say no more.

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By *ayKellyMan
7 weeks ago

Kinross

I called it years ago.

They’ve already started road tax on them etc.

Only a matter of time.

And even the 3p per mile for the average uk driver doing 8000 miles per year is only £240 ( which you would be paying £20 per month via direct debit)

I love the fact that people have such strong opinions on EV but never actually got behind the wheel of one… or just repeat scare stories or hit pieces that are not true

Who cares, lol

You stick to your wee EV and limited mileage and pretend to yourself that you're saving pennies whilst the rest of us get on with life and enjoy hundreds of miles of road with quick fueling.

If you can't afford petrol or diesel, then buy a good book to read whilst you recharge

Thanks ray for kinda proving my last sentence point with your diatribe…

Why do you feel the need to personally attack people?

Does it scare you that much ?

You always have the first world answer of “being rich” and accuse others of being poor…

P.S… 460 mile on 65 litres works out at 32 miles per gallon… that’s erm.. not great to spend this amount of time bragging….

Says the guy who thinks 32mpg is poor for a Toyota Hilux, I've knews for you sonnyboy, 32 might is excellent for a Hilux, obviously you have never experienced a larger 4x4

You stick to your little poodle EV and leave us to enjoy life.

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By (user no longer on site)
7 weeks ago

Not sure why people feel the need to get personal. I have an EV and love it (and also hope that gas prices settle and become more sustainable)

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By *ornucopiaMan
7 weeks ago

Bexley

I am interested in electeic vehicles and how they are constructed and work.

In many ways I could do with a basic one for getting around locally. Where I am not convinced is winter performance and econonomy. The great advantage of internal combustion is that in winter the excess heat doesnt go to waste and exhaust technology has improved vastly, so much that they seem to last almost forever.

Who really needs the aggro of a liquid filled cooling system other than than to provide a good heater in winter? The idea of having to add heating to the electric propulsion cost is a bummer for tightwads like me! Talking of tightwad, nearly all my vehicles have cost me well under £2000 second hand from private sellers who could easily afford to write them off when upgrading. I can't see me coming by an electric vehicle for £700 unless it is absolutely un repairable.

Regarding other fuels, my immediately past vehicle, a Mazda Bongo, ran more than happily on 60p a litre cooking oil, perfectly legally, until a certain Sad Dick and other politicians decided that going green would further their political careers. Even cheaper and sometimes free if obtaining used frying oil and cleaning it up.

Not sure if the politicians would have wanted used oil thrown away or given to power generating facilities!

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By *ornucopiaMan
7 weeks ago

Bexley

"Not sure why people feel the need to get personal. I have an EV and love it (and also hope that gas prices settle and become more sustainable) "

I would only be dismissive to people who still call Vehicle Excise Duty 'Road Tax' and also I don't particularly thank all the mugs who have given the ripping off industry such a free reign..

..soon you will join pet owners as the number one milkable market!

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By *xxMandLxxxCouple
7 weeks ago

Southampton

EVs aren't for me, I don't like the way they drive, it's a soulless, disconnected experience but it depends how you view driving really.

Friends in the independent motor trade ( not main dealers) are decidedly twitchy about residuals after 8 years together with longer term supportability.

It's their territory, not mine but EVs seem to be viewed with caution in the second hand market.

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By *erry 58Man
7 weeks ago

doncaster

Government trying to push EVs onto the public roads too quick , no proper infrastructure in place for recharging etc , they should be pushing hybrids then fully electric

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By *hovskolMan
7 weeks ago

South Manchester

"Government trying to push EVs onto the public roads too quick , no proper infrastructure in place for recharging etc , they should be pushing hybrids then fully electric "

Have you tried driving one?

The only issues I've had have been that public charging can be more complicated with various apps and schemes, though many now accept card payments directly. And last time I charged it was almost too fast, I barely had time to grab a snack.

In terms of driving experience I love it, the induction whine when you floor it sounds super cool, and the handling of mine is really good (Volvo based).

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By *arand25Couple
7 weeks ago

Crowborough

No thanks, I drove a milk float in the 1980s, ICE forever for me.

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By *rLothbrokMan
7 weeks ago

Lancs/North Wales

I have petrol and EV. Both are good to drive. Like all cars, EVs also have common issues that can affect them, but I wouldn’t let it put me off getting another. I’m lucky to have off-road parking and currently pay less than £4 for 240miles in the EV.

Equivalent in the petrol would be at least £50-60.

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By *ornucopiaMan
7 weeks ago

Bexley

"No thanks, I drove a milk float in the 1980s, ICE forever for me."

Now, a milk float with mirrored window fixed sides and a bed in the back would suit me just fine, but with a little bit more speed.

Don't want anything, though, with 'effing alloy wheels!

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By *abioMan
7 weeks ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

I called it years ago.

They’ve already started road tax on them etc.

Only a matter of time.

And even the 3p per mile for the average uk driver doing 8000 miles per year is only £240 ( which you would be paying £20 per month via direct debit)

I love the fact that people have such strong opinions on EV but never actually got behind the wheel of one… or just repeat scare stories or hit pieces that are not true

Who cares, lol

You stick to your wee EV and limited mileage and pretend to yourself that you're saving pennies whilst the rest of us get on with life and enjoy hundreds of miles of road with quick fueling.

If you can't afford petrol or diesel, then buy a good book to read whilst you recharge

Thanks ray for kinda proving my last sentence point with your diatribe…

Why do you feel the need to personally attack people?

Does it scare you that much ?

You always have the first world answer of “being rich” and accuse others of being poor…

P.S… 460 mile on 65 litres works out at 32 miles per gallon… that’s erm.. not great to spend this amount of time bragging….

Says the guy who thinks 32mpg is poor for a Toyota Hilux, I've knews for you sonnyboy, 32 might is excellent for a Hilux, obviously you have never experienced a larger 4x4

You stick to your little poodle EV and leave us to enjoy life."

Why do you feel the need to try and turn everything into some sort of dick swinging contest….but heck, you do you!

We get it.. you rich! You look down on people who drive EV’s.. what happened for you to have this amount of hatred? Did one cut you up? Did one burn you off at the traffic lights?

Can’t believe you tried to “son” me!

I can imagine you thinking “well that told him “

Also… first time I’ve ever heard a model Y called small…

man that stung!

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By *abioMan
7 weeks ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Not sure why people feel the need to get personal. I have an EV and love it (and also hope that gas prices settle and become more sustainable) "

So do I…I am not sure why it brings out visceral anger and rage

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By *ChubsMan
7 weeks ago

At the Coach & Horses Wednesday night

Our EV is a Motability car thanks (or not) to the wife's PIP. Therefore we don't pay the tax etc. We do pay £20 a month with Octopus to charge the car whenever we want at home. Works for us, but doesn't work for me & work (dirty diesel van for work 😅)

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By *abioMan
6 weeks ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

A couple of points of interest…

1) for the 1st time ever, the average price of an EV is cheaper than the average price of an ICE car…. 42k for an EV compared with 43k for an ICE car

2) if you are specifically looking for a new “new” car (not that I would because of depreciation) look for a pre registration car …. Long explanation coming with an example

Reasoning…. Method coming… the government’s lovely EV mandate!

Okay… so the government has a target for car manufacturers that a certain amount of new cars sold must be EV… last year it was 25%, this year it’s 28%, next year it’s 33%

If a manufacturer doesn’t hit the target, then they are basically fined the % difference for every ICE car sold , which means if the target lasts year was 25% and they sold 15%… that would be 10% on every ICE car sold…

A lot of money…… so

If you target certain times of the year, for example number plate change in august, or end of the year in December, they are more desperate to sell EVs to offset ICE cars

Think of it as selling the EV as a loss leader to offset potential fines, the manufacturers that are having to biggest issues are the stalantis group and the VW group

Now…. Pre registration cars are classed as new and are also eligible for the EV grant… 1500 or 3750 depending on vehicle under 37k… discount on top of steep discount

So example time… if you were interested in a Vauxhall corsa e for example… top spec one… rrp is currently 32k! If you find a Vauxhall dealer desperate enough.. you can get it for 19k after discounts

Another car… Skoda elroq.. a 2025 car of the year, because they are part of the VW group, they are behind badly on quota… 9k off… if you don’t like the look of an elroq and want something smaller, cupra borne….. 6-7k off

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By *ayKellyMan
6 weeks ago

Kinross

"A couple of points of interest…

1) for the 1st time ever, the average price of an EV is cheaper than the average price of an ICE car…. 42k for an EV compared with 43k for an ICE car

2) if you are specifically looking for a new “new” car (not that I would because of depreciation) look for a pre registration car …. Long explanation coming with an example

Reasoning…. Method coming… the government’s lovely EV mandate!

Okay… so the government has a target for car manufacturers that a certain amount of new cars sold must be EV… last year it was 25%, this year it’s 28%, next year it’s 33%

A lot of money…… so

If you target certain times of the year, for example number plate change in august, or end of the year in December, they are more desperate to sell EVs to offset ICE cars

Think of it as selling the EV as a loss leader to offset potential fines, the manufacturers that are having to biggest issues are the stalantis group and the VW group

Now…. Pre registration cars are classed as new and are also eligible for the EV grant… 1500 or 3750 depending on vehicle under 37k… discount on top of steep discount

Ehhhh no, no thanks.

Not interested in EV'S

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By *allsDeep.Man
6 weeks ago

Hampshire

I live in a flat, so I couldn't charge it. I'm wondering how (in the future) this is actually going to be possible?

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By *he MinionMan
6 weeks ago

Surrey

Never been interested in buying an EV but my car is going into the garage to have some work done and a friend has offered me their fully electric Merc whilst mine is in the garage.

So having never been interested in having one, I am kinda interested and nervously excited about driving one for a while and seeing if it will convert me. I'm a petrol head. V8's hotrods, customs so it will be interesting, to me to see.

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By *abioMan
6 weeks ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Ehhhh no, no thanks.

Not interested in EV'S "

Erm… yeah.. thanks for that brilliant contribution, I think you have made your feelings known multiple time in the thread!

The thread is more than just you and your opinions

The information was put out for the people who maybe interested in or who could be curious…and what may be out there in the way of discounts…

I’d like to be able to save people a bit of money if they decide to go ahead…. I didn’t think someone would object to that

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By *he MinionMan
6 weeks ago

Surrey

"I live in a flat, so I couldn't charge it. I'm wondering how (in the future) this is actually going to be possible?"

Re above.

I cant charge it at home either but will have to use charging points whilst i'm out and about to charge it rather than over night at home

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By *ydaz70Man
6 weeks ago

Rotherham /newquay

I wouldn't buy a new one but would convert one of my classic cars with a twin Tesla set up less sensors to go wrong.ill wait and see how the hydro system improves first.

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By *he MinionMan
6 weeks ago

Surrey

I've been into resto mods for awhile but ditching a V8 for a battery in certain cars is kinda criminal.

But it will happen and i imagine become the norm in time

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By *elshboobiesCouple
6 weeks ago

Cardiff/Llanelli.

I've got one and thank god I have with petrol going upwards.

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