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"Who thinks he is misunderstood?" I think he is perfectly understood, question is who wants to align themselves with the outdated and toxic comments that fall too easily from his mouth. Personally, I understand him to purport a view of misozgy and toxic masculinity I find not just distasteful, but also dangerous for females, at a time where men should be standing up and saying enough of this rhetoric and advocating for women. | |||
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"Bugger I thought I was going to come in here to learn that he’d drowned in vat of his own shite! I had hoped it was going to be news of his downfall in some way | |||
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"Bugger I thought I was going to come in here to learn that he’d drowned in vat of his own shite! We can hope | |||
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"I only know what I've seen in the mainstream media. I've never seen any of his content so I can't say if he's misunderstood or not. 🤔 Can anyone tell me in what way he might be misunderstood? " He might accidentally be mistaken for a human being. | |||
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"Who thinks he is misunderstood?" Do you think he is misunderstood 🤔 | |||
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"I only know what I've seen in the mainstream media. I've never seen any of his content so I can't say if he's misunderstood or not. 🤔 Can anyone tell me in what way he might be misunderstood? He might accidentally be mistaken for a human being. | |||
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"I only know what I've seen in the mainstream media. I've never seen any of his content so I can't say if he's misunderstood or not. 🤔 Can anyone tell me in what way he might be misunderstood? He might accidentally be mistaken for a human being. That's offensive to human beings. | |||
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"I only know what I've seen in the mainstream media. I've never seen any of his content so I can't say if he's misunderstood or not. 🤔 Can anyone tell me in what way he might be misunderstood? He might accidentally be mistaken for a human being. In my defence, some human beings are offensive. | |||
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"Nope, he is pretty obvious. The only misunderstanding is people who think he is OK. One of those "Alpha male" types (the title for all arrogant disgusting types). " If I ever see ‘alpha male’ used in a profile I just laugh and move on. The people who use it clearly don’t understand where it came from or what it actually means. Even the chap, L. David Mech, who popularised the phrase spent years trying to tell everyone he got it wrong but was ignored. | |||
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"No. It’s very clear he’s an absolute insecure, misogynistic cunt of a man." Couldn't have put it better myself. | |||
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"Who thinks he is misunderstood?" Don't know anything about him. And suspect if people are honest. Nor does anyone else. All we know is what we choose to believe from the media. And we know they are only telling us the narrative they want us to believe. | |||
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"Why the fuck are we talking about Andrew Tate of all people on a swingers site. Look it's very clear people have their opinions on the guy and I'm not saying you are wrong for having them. You are entitled to think what you like. Do I think he's misunderstood? I don't know I don't worry about what he thinks and says. But most of you all do. The funny thing is, he has no idea any of you or myself exist, yet the OP has managed to rage bait a lot of you to comment on what you do think of him. Why bother?" Because he influences many men and kids. Rather mine know decency than bury head like you just did. | |||
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"Why the fuck are we talking about Andrew Tate of all people on a swingers site. Look it's very clear people have their opinions on the guy and I'm not saying you are wrong for having them. You are entitled to think what you like. Do I think he's misunderstood? I don't know I don't worry about what he thinks and says. But most of you all do. The funny thing is, he has no idea any of you or myself exist, yet the OP has managed to rage bait a lot of you to comment on what you do think of him. Why bother? Because he influences many men and kids. Rather mine know decency than bury head like you just did. " 👍👍 | |||
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"Why the fuck are we talking about Andrew Tate of all people on a swingers site. Look it's very clear people have their opinions on the guy and I'm not saying you are wrong for having them. You are entitled to think what you like. Do I think he's misunderstood? I don't know I don't worry about what he thinks and says. But most of you all do. The funny thing is, he has no idea any of you or myself exist, yet the OP has managed to rage bait a lot of you to comment on what you do think of him. Why bother?" Calm down, love. | |||
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"Why the fuck are we talking about Andrew Tate of all people on a swingers site. Look it's very clear people have their opinions on the guy and I'm not saying you are wrong for having them. You are entitled to think what you like. Do I think he's misunderstood? I don't know I don't worry about what he thinks and says. But most of you all do. The funny thing is, he has no idea any of you or myself exist, yet the OP has managed to rage bait a lot of you to comment on what you do think of him. Why bother?" On a site where every other thread is girth or width, knicker sniffing, is squirting piss, etc - Andrew Tate seems entirely appropriate as a topic. How do you know people have been rage baited, as opposed to having opinions? It seems to me to be rudimentary well poisoning - when I agree with how the conversation is going, it's valid conversation, when I disagree, it's (insert negative buzzwords here). | |||
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""Any man who has sex with women because it 'feels good' is gay" " I didn't believe this was real 😂🤣 So I Googled it, and he did say it, considering how low I placed Tate, the fact he is now lower is incredible. He's most likely a sex trafficking rapist, maybe even paedophile. It wouldn't shock me, he just gives off that energy. As do his followers. | |||
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"Why the fuck are we talking about Andrew Tate of all people on a swingers site. Look it's very clear people have their opinions on the guy and I'm not saying you are wrong for having them. You are entitled to think what you like. Do I think he's misunderstood? I don't know I don't worry about what he thinks and says. But most of you all do. The funny thing is, he has no idea any of you or myself exist, yet the OP has managed to rage bait a lot of you to comment on what you do think of him. Why bother?" This is the thing about the swingers community, we think wider than just sex. Why bother? Because this man spouts rhetoric that influences all our lives, our young men are at risk of believing what this man says and older men to feel validated to hold these opinions that then negatively effect the females in our lives. So rather than ask why bother, the question should be why don't you bother to speak out when the opportunity arises. | |||
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""Any man who has sex with women because it 'feels good' is gay" I didn't believe this was real 😂🤣 So I Googled it, and he did say it, considering how low I placed Tate, the fact he is now lower is incredible. He's most likely a sex trafficking rapist, maybe even paedophile. It wouldn't shock me, he just gives off that energy. As do his followers. " A lot of his followers are actual children, to be fair. I give them grace, and hope they have positive role models. | |||
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"Why the fuck are we talking about Andrew Tate of all people on a swingers site. Look it's very clear people have their opinions on the guy and I'm not saying you are wrong for having them. You are entitled to think what you like. Do I think he's misunderstood? I don't know I don't worry about what he thinks and says. But most of you all do. The funny thing is, he has no idea any of you or myself exist, yet the OP has managed to rage bait a lot of you to comment on what you do think of him. Why bother? Because he influences many men and kids. Rather mine know decency than bury head like you just did. " Couldn't agree more. Big part of the rise in racism, misogyny etc imo, is the lack of good arguments. Instead people are called names, for having an opinion which might be ignorant, but we live in difficult times with a lot of money thrown into media that divides us, if somebody is pulled into one of these rabbit holes, help them, talk about the subjects, and try not to shame them for not knowing something. | |||
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""Any man who has sex with women because it 'feels good' is gay" I didn't believe this was real 😂🤣 So I Googled it, and he did say it, considering how low I placed Tate, the fact he is now lower is incredible. True, I was being hyperbolic tbf. It's wrong of me, to throw possibly millions into the same bucket. He's most likely a sex trafficking rapist, maybe even paedophile. It wouldn't shock me, he just gives off that energy. As do his followers. A lot of his followers are actual children, to be fair. I give them grace, and hope they have positive role models." | |||
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"Well that was an easy block Hahaha went to do the same and discovered we’ve already blocked him 😂😂😂 E | |||
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"Well that was an easy block Wow I haven't even said i liked tate you just assumed lol. Judgement bunch of pricks | |||
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"Do you, OP?" I think tate is a dick some of his points and views are interesting but I dont agree with any of them whatsoever. | |||
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"Who thinks he is misunderstood? Do you think he is misunderstood 🤔" No he is a douch | |||
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"Who thinks he is misunderstood?" I don't, I think he's an absolute cunt, just like the rest of them in that cesspit known as the "manosphere". Erik | |||
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"Well this escalated fast..... 🍿 The man's a prick, that's all. Mrs " Sure did he is like marmite | |||
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"Yorkshire, what are your views on him and how well he is understood ? It seems many have misunderstood you (which may be worth reflecting on) but that has also caused you to (appear) quite emotional. At least if I were responding the way you are, that would have come from a place of emotion. " I think Tate is a dick and why he hasn't gone to trial yet is beyond me. As far as I know he has become a meme a charicature. Anyone who takes him seriously is deranged as he is. So nope I dont like him or have any interest in him. I just threw the hand grenade in and waited for the debri | |||
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"No he is not misunderstood and gives a massive bad name for us guys end off. " bang on | |||
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"Yorkshire, what are your views on him and how well he is understood ? It seems many have misunderstood you (which may be worth reflecting on) but that has also caused you to (appear) quite emotional. At least if I were responding the way you are, that would have come from a place of emotion. I think Tate is a dick and why he hasn't gone to trial yet is beyond me. As far as I know he has become a meme a charicature. Anyone who takes him seriously is deranged as he is. So nope I dont like him or have any interest in him. I just threw the hand grenade in and waited for the debri" bit bored then ? | |||
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"Yorkshire, what are your views on him and how well he is understood ? It seems many have misunderstood you (which may be worth reflecting on) but that has also caused you to (appear) quite emotional. At least if I were responding the way you are, that would have come from a place of emotion. I think Tate is a dick and why he hasn't gone to trial yet is beyond me. As far as I know he has become a meme a charicature. Anyone who takes him seriously is deranged as he is. So nope I dont like him or have any interest in him. I just threw the hand grenade in and waited for the debri" So you're trolling? And upset by the result? That seems counterproductive | |||
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"Who thinks he is misunderstood?" Do you think he is misunderstood? | |||
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"Does he own a gallery?" Humour | |||
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"Hes a fucking bellend along with anyone who agrees with him." My thoughts exactly. | |||
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"Well that was an easy block Quote of the day winner … | |||
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"Who thinks he is misunderstood? Don't know anything about him. And suspect if people are honest. Nor does anyone else. All we know is what we choose to believe from the media. And we know they are only telling us the narrative they want us to believe. " No I think most people have seen the dumb shit he says off his own social media platform. He's very much pushing his own narrative | |||
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"1. Be 100% certain about everything. 2. Turn feelings into facts 3. Make it Us Vs Them 4. Buzz on the controversy of being completely unfiltered and "just telling it like it is" (even though it isn't)." Tactics used in these pages quite often by the loud minority. | |||
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"Who thinks he is misunderstood? Don't know anything about him. And suspect if people are honest. Nor does anyone else. All we know is what we choose to believe from the media. And we know they are only telling us the narrative they want us to believe. No I think most people have seen the dumb shit he says off his own social media platform. He's very much pushing his own narrative And yet you watch it and give it oxygen? | |||
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"Why the fuck are we talking about Andrew Tate of all people on a swingers site. Look it's very clear people have their opinions on the guy and I'm not saying you are wrong for having them. You are entitled to think what you like. Do I think he's misunderstood? I don't know I don't worry about what he thinks and says. But most of you all do. The funny thing is, he has no idea any of you or myself exist, yet the OP has managed to rage bait a lot of you to comment on what you do think of him. Why bother?" | |||
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"Who thinks he is misunderstood? Don't know anything about him. And suspect if people are honest. Nor does anyone else. All we know is what we choose to believe from the media. And we know they are only telling us the narrative they want us to believe. No I think most people have seen the dumb shit he says off his own social media platform. He's very much pushing his own narrative I actively avoid that cretin and what he stands for, unfortunately social media algorithms push his toxic content. My original point was that my opinion is based on the things he's presented himself not the "media telling me they want us to believe" | |||
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""Any man who has sex with women because it 'feels good' is gay" I didn't believe this was real 😂🤣 So I Googled it, and he did say it, considering how low I placed Tate, the fact he is now lower is incredible. He's most likely a sex trafficking rapist, maybe even paedophile. It wouldn't shock me, he just gives off that energy. As do his followers. " Yes important to spread rumours based upon no evidence. | |||
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"Who thinks he is misunderstood?" Not me 🙋🏻♂️ Only misunderstanding is that he is a deeply closeted homosexual man | |||
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"He offered to buy Punch, the lonely Japanese monkey, for a quarter of a million dollars. " Punch has friends now. | |||
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"He offered to buy Punch, the lonely Japanese monkey, for a quarter of a million dollars. Punch has friends now. " And lots of cuddles 🥰 | |||
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"Why bother? Because he influences many men and kids. Rather mine know decency than bury head like you just did. 👍👍" This is the bit I am concerned about, having young cousins, nephews, etc. Them thinking this is how things should be. | |||
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"Well that was an easy block Ha! Blocked you for your copy/paste message claiming to have read our profile (you definitely hadn’t or - worse - had and chose to ignore it), the Tate thing was a bonus block 👀 E | |||
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"Cannot stand the wee bawbag, could happily punch his face all day " As he is a champion kick boxer that seems an unlikely scenario. | |||
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"He's a little bit hot though " So was Ted Bundy. That didn't work out well either. | |||
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"He's a little bit hot though So was Ted Bundy. That didn't work out well either." He's not really my type | |||
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"Who thinks he is misunderstood? Don't know anything about him. And suspect if people are honest. Nor does anyone else. All we know is what we choose to believe from the media. And we know they are only telling us the narrative they want us to believe. " He shares his unfiltered views online for anyone to see. Nothing to do with the media narrative. | |||
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"Sex traffickers aren't my type." This | |||
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"Who thinks he is misunderstood? Don't know anything about him. And suspect if people are honest. Nor does anyone else. All we know is what we choose to believe from the media. And we know they are only telling us the narrative they want us to believe. He shares his unfiltered views online for anyone to see. Nothing to do with the media narrative. " So... A)You know they are unfiltered how? And B) You view them my what medium other than media? And C) you presumably have watched his content to have such knowledge and there in lies the issue... If people stop feeding these people who the media tell us to love or hate, the problem goes away doesnt it? | |||
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"I have seen a few of his videos and interviews: The BBC interview with Lucy Williamson springs to mind. Even though it was a hit piece interview even she admitted he has donated millions of pounds to refugee charities on an annual basis. " Jimmy Saville donated loads to charity too. | |||
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" Jimmy Saville donated loads to charity too. " Very good point | |||
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" A)You know they are unfiltered how? And B) You view them my what medium other than media? And C) you presumably have watched his content to have such knowledge and there in lies the issue... If people stop feeding these people who the media tell us to love or hate, the problem goes away doesnt it? " A. Because he makes the content himself and publishes it himself. B. You are muddling the term "media" as a method of communication and "the media" as a filter and gatekeeper of content. It becomes much harder to claim that we are being manipulated into believing something when the content is straight from the horse's mouth. C. The problem is the swathes of young men who are drinking the Kool Aid with enthusiasm - and that problem doesn't go away by putting a paper bag over your head and pretending Andrew Tate doesn't exist. | |||
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" A)You know they are unfiltered how? And B) You view them my what medium other than media? And C) you presumably have watched his content to have such knowledge and there in lies the issue... If people stop feeding these people who the media tell us to love or hate, the problem goes away doesnt it? A. Because he makes the content himself and publishes it himself. B. You are muddling the term "media" as a method of communication and "the media" as a filter and gatekeeper of content. It becomes much harder to claim that we are being manipulated into believing something when the content is straight from the horse's mouth. C. The problem is the swathes of young men who are drinking the Kool Aid with enthusiasm - and that problem doesn't go away by putting a paper bag over your head and pretending Andrew Tate doesn't exist." Well of course there are many malign influencers that serve up their content via media outlets and from which they achieve financial reward, notoriety or power. If people don't watch it, they become ripples in a pond. Calling them names is not really informed or educated. It is encouraging participation which is what they want. More clicks. Follow the money and do what we as individuals can to affect the outcomes. If you think I am suggesting putting a bag over your head you could not be further from the truth. However making a choice (as far as possible) not to have your days invaded by content that the media companies choose to present to you and then having a modicum of intelligence to appreciate that it is all led by money whether it be cuddly dogs or tate or anything else means critical thinking is required. Swearing at people whose content is presented to us if we look for it, because we have bought into the convenience of our phones as entertainment is not going to fix anything. There are two options. Switch it off and don't feed the beast or advocate for censorship that meets your values. And yes I agree the influence of media and content is very powerful and is changing society and not for the better. People being influenced by content specifically targeted to them by algorithms developed by the megalithic media companies is not a surprise at all. They are basically glorified adverts. Brand Tate is one example of many. | |||
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"I think he’s an utter c**t " Well said...👍 | |||
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"My block list just keeps getting bigger. What’s really worrying is the amount of people who think ignoring hateful, damaging shit in the way to go. “Don’t feed the media circus”. Blah blah blah. Has history taught us nothing? “First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist Then they came for the Jews And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me” It doesn’t matter if it’s racism, sexism, misogyny, misandry, homophobia, transphobia or any other ism/phobia. You don’t change it by ignoring it. " That's a good point well made. You could add to your list ( or martin niemollers list) people who have unpopular or differing opinions or beliefs. So long as people are forming their own opinions having first availed themselves of the facts. Rather than simply joining in an "anti" pile on because its fashionable or going to win them favours with others of like mind. That's just mob mentality and ironically the thing you are defending. Speaking out however is an interesting concept. This is obviously a tiny little thread in a tiny little corner of the Internet . But do you consider speaking out as insulting and calling people names and blocking them or is there more to speaking out than that? And where is the boundary between allowing people to have different beliefs and speaking out and tolerance of those with different beliefs? . For example there are religions that espouse particular behaviours towards women and don't seem to be spoken out quite as readily. In a free society how where is the line between difference and tolerance.? | |||
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"He's a little bit hot though " He always looks like a large baby to me. No joke ..... he looks and acts like a toddler. Watch his facial expressions | |||
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"Where are all the good men that are willing to be better role models for the disaffected (not always young)guys that are modelling themselves on tates misaligned views and messages? Who's rolling their sleeves up and actually willing to do something?" Very few people take Tate seriously; rather more buy into the moral panic. | |||
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"No. It’s very clear he’s an absolute insecure, misogynistic cunt of a man." Agreed | |||
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"I don’t really do social media apart from here. From what I’ve heard he seems a bit of a twat" To be fair Nora that covers about 83% of the adult population. | |||
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"I don’t really do social media apart from here. From what I’ve heard he seems a bit of a twat To be fair Nora that covers about 83% of the adult population." 🤣 true | |||
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"Where are all the good men that are willing to be better role models for the disaffected (not always young)guys that are modelling themselves on tates misaligned views and messages? Who's rolling their sleeves up and actually willing to do something? Very few people take Tate seriously; rather more buy into the moral panic." 10-15 million direct followers, 11.6+ billion views on tik tok. That's a lot of teenage boys that take him very seriously. | |||
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"Cannot stand the wee bawbag, could happily punch his face all day As he is a champion kick boxer that seems an unlikely scenario." Use him for target practice then | |||
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"Where are all the good men that are willing to be better role models for the disaffected (not always young)guys that are modelling themselves on tates misaligned views and messages? Who's rolling their sleeves up and actually willing to do something? Very few people take Tate seriously; rather more buy into the moral panic. 10-15 million direct followers, 11.6+ billion views on tik tok. That's a lot of teenage boys that take him very seriously." People watch a lot of videos of cats falling off wardrobes, it doesn't mean they take it seriously. If you know any teenagers and young men you'll know that like men since the Stone age they enjoy laughing at juvenile and ridiculous things, of which the internet is an endless source. | |||
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"Where are all the good men that are willing to be better role models for the disaffected (not always young)guys that are modelling themselves on tates misaligned views and messages? Who's rolling their sleeves up and actually willing to do something?" What is a "good man" and what is a "role model"? Not being deliberately obtuse. But what you consider to be a good role model for a teenage boy may be different to others. That being said there are a lot of what I would consider to be good role models. Sadly by definition (mine) they do not seek clicks or content on social media platforms and so as there is less money to be made by all, they do not get the traction they probably deserve. Go to your scout group or sports club or youth centre or school, there are many many decent men and teenage boys out there. | |||
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"Who thinks he is misunderstood?" Mainly just him, as he seems to think he's some sort of voice of all men, adonis Alpha male- not a annoying cretinous stunt double for Pob | |||
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"Who thinks he is misunderstood?" No hes just a cock | |||
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"No he's a prick. He thinks it is wrong for women to cheat on men but perfectly acceptable for men to cheat. Oh and he preaches about how the West is full of degeneracy. Yet he was effectively a pimp in Romania. " Romania is in the West and part of Western Culture , which is what he refers to and why he was situated in the West He never said he was above profiting from decay , decline and degeneracy .. | |||
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"Who thinks he is misunderstood?" His mum | |||
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"Where are all the good men that are willing to be better role models for the disaffected (not always young)guys that are modelling themselves on tates misaligned views and messages? Who's rolling their sleeves up and actually willing to do something? Very few people take Tate seriously; rather more buy into the moral panic. 10-15 million direct followers, 11.6+ billion views on tik tok. That's a lot of teenage boys that take him very seriously. People watch a lot of videos of cats falling off wardrobes, it doesn't mean they take it seriously. If you know any teenagers and young men you'll know that like men since the Stone age they enjoy laughing at juvenile and ridiculous things, of which the internet is an endless source." So basically you are saying that you don't think social media, media in general visual media people talking and saying stuff you don't think it has any influence on people ? One thing we can learn about posts on social media is they are often based on a skewed perception of reality.... 32% of young men have a positive view of tate, 28% of teenage boys say they 'look up to him' 56% of fathers under 35 look at him favorably, whereas Viral animal clips (cats, fails, etc.) are especially popular with older demographics. | |||
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"Where are all the good men that are willing to be better role models for the disaffected (not always young)guys that are modelling themselves on tates misaligned views and messages? Who's rolling their sleeves up and actually willing to do something? Very few people take Tate seriously; rather more buy into the moral panic. 10-15 million direct followers, 11.6+ billion views on tik tok. That's a lot of teenage boys that take him very seriously. People watch a lot of videos of cats falling off wardrobes, it doesn't mean they take it seriously. If you know any teenagers and young men you'll know that like men since the Stone age they enjoy laughing at juvenile and ridiculous things, of which the internet is an endless source. So basically you are saying that you don't think social media, media in general visual media people talking and saying stuff you don't think it has any influence on people ? One thing we can learn about posts on social media is they are often based on a skewed perception of reality.... 32% of young men have a positive view of tate, 28% of teenage boys say they 'look up to him' 56% of fathers under 35 look at him favorably, whereas Viral animal clips (cats, fails, etc.) are especially popular with older demographics. " Interesting numbers. If true surely what merits discussion is why over half of men under 35 view him favourably? . What is he saying / doing that specifically leads them to that viewpoint? Is that number UK only or Europe or worldwide? How many were asked and by whom and in what context were asked? Was it just a one question anonymous survey? Swap tate for Trump and wonder what the numbers would say. | |||
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"Where are all the good men that are willing to be better role models for the disaffected (not always young)guys that are modelling themselves on tates misaligned views and messages? Who's rolling their sleeves up and actually willing to do something? Very few people take Tate seriously; rather more buy into the moral panic. 10-15 million direct followers, 11.6+ billion views on tik tok. That's a lot of teenage boys that take him very seriously. People watch a lot of videos of cats falling off wardrobes, it doesn't mean they take it seriously. If you know any teenagers and young men you'll know that like men since the Stone age they enjoy laughing at juvenile and ridiculous things, of which the internet is an endless source. So basically you are saying that you don't think social media, media in general visual media people talking and saying stuff you don't think it has any influence on people ? One thing we can learn about posts on social media is they are often based on a skewed perception of reality.... 32% of young men have a positive view of tate, 28% of teenage boys say they 'look up to him' 56% of fathers under 35 look at him favorably, whereas Viral animal clips (cats, fails, etc.) are especially popular with older demographics. " Your figures are rather misleading- these are percentages for men who had heard of Tate, not total numbers of the population, and the figure of '32%' is the highest recorded from a single study - another study found only 21% of those who'd heard of Tate had a favourable view. | |||
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