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"Only if they’ve got their own teeth And not those shiny "turkish beaver" appearances! Yes, I don’t want to wear my sunglasses and get up close and personal with their tic tacs for a snog "Lol 🤣🤣🤣 | |||
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- the excuse is always the same
"It's too personal"
ffs get over yourselves, like having his cock in your mouth or his tongue up your arse isn't too personal, really! - the amount of potential playdates that have been scuppered at the social stage when this revelation comes out, maybe worth putting that small detail in your bio & saving everyone a lot of time  | |||
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"It surprises us the amount of women who will happily kiss me & let my hubbie slip his cock into them, but not his tongue into her mouth - the excuse is always the same
"It's too personal"
ffs get over yourselves, like having his cock in your mouth or his tongue up your arse isn't too personal, really! - the amount of potential playdates that have been scuppered at the social stage when this revelation comes out, maybe worth putting that small detail in your bio & saving everyone a lot of time "We are not that type of couple - we both love kissing - but I think you're missing the point which is about the separation of intimacy and sex. You can do all kinds of sexual acts without any intimate connection but (for many people) not kissing. You can have sex without intimacy and intimacy without sex - you can even have non sexual intimacy. Personally, intimacy comes much higher up my list and I don't really enjoy sex without it - hence my wife and I both kiss while swinging but we understand why others may not. It isn't a situation that will work for us other than perhaps in a club but we understand why some feel this. | |||
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"It surprises us the amount of women who will happily kiss me & let my hubbie slip his cock into them, but not his tongue into her mouth - the excuse is always the same
"It's too personal"
ffs get over yourselves, like having his cock in your mouth or his tongue up your arse isn't too personal, really! - the amount of potential playdates that have been scuppered at the social stage when this revelation comes out, maybe worth putting that small detail in your bio & saving everyone a lot of time "Bit judgemental. Kissing is important for me but I’ve no issue with those who choose not to, they’re just not for me. | |||
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"It surprises us the amount of women who will happily kiss me & let my hubbie slip his cock into them, but not his tongue into her mouth - the excuse is always the same
"It's too personal"
ffs get over yourselves, like having his cock in your mouth or his tongue up your arse isn't too personal, really! - the amount of potential playdates that have been scuppered at the social stage when this revelation comes out, maybe worth putting that small detail in your bio & saving everyone a lot of time
Bit judgemental.
Kissing is important for me but I’ve no issue with those who choose not to, they’re just not for me. "Absolutely not judgemental, & you've only got to read the amount of replies on this thread that say the same- no kissing no play- our point purely is be up front about what you want or don't want on your profile, that way it saves a lot of wasted time for everyone, & as much as we'd agree that some may find kissing too intimate, we'd argue that you cant be more intimate than allowing someone to have oral sex, & yes whilst we'd agree you can have sex without intimacy,to us, whilst not being emotional involved with someone, would still require a degree of intimacy to have a good playdate,too many rules or caveats simply lead to sex & normally in our opinion only mediocre sex at that, & who wants just mediocre, but I take on board your opinion as a single girl & thankyou for sharing it | |||
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"It surprises us the amount of women who will happily kiss me & let my hubbie slip his cock into them, but not his tongue into her mouth - the excuse is always the same
"It's too personal"
ffs get over yourselves, like having his cock in your mouth or his tongue up your arse isn't too personal, really! - the amount of potential playdates that have been scuppered at the social stage when this revelation comes out, maybe worth putting that small detail in your bio & saving everyone a lot of time
Bit judgemental.
Kissing is important for me but I’ve no issue with those who choose not to, they’re just not for me.
Absolutely not judgemental, & you've only got to read the amount of replies on this thread that say the same- no kissing no play- our point purely is be up front about what you want or don't want on your profile, that way it saves a lot of wasted time for everyone, & as much as we'd agree that some may find kissing too intimate, we'd argue that you cant be more intimate than allowing someone to have oral sex, & yes whilst we'd agree you can have sex without intimacy,to us, whilst not being emotional involved with someone, would still require a degree of intimacy to have a good playdate,too many rules or caveats simply lead to sex & normally in our opinion only mediocre sex at that, & who wants just mediocre, but I take on board your opinion as a single girl & thankyou for sharing it "It was the ‘get over yourself’ - like I say, I enjoy kissing but I think it’s unfair to say people who’ve set a certain boundary should get over themselves. | |||
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"It surprises us the amount of women who will happily kiss me & let my hubbie slip his cock into them, but not his tongue into her mouth - the excuse is always the same
"It's too personal"
ffs get over yourselves, like having his cock in your mouth or his tongue up your arse isn't too personal, really! - the amount of potential playdates that have been scuppered at the social stage when this revelation comes out, maybe worth putting that small detail in your bio & saving everyone a lot of time
Bit judgemental.
Kissing is important for me but I’ve no issue with those who choose not to, they’re just not for me.
Absolutely not judgemental, & you've only got to read the amount of replies on this thread that say the same- no kissing no play- our point purely is be up front about what you want or don't want on your profile, that way it saves a lot of wasted time for everyone, & as much as we'd agree that some may find kissing too intimate, we'd argue that you cant be more intimate than allowing someone to have oral sex, & yes whilst we'd agree you can have sex without intimacy,to us, whilst not being emotional involved with someone, would still require a degree of intimacy to have a good playdate,too many rules or caveats simply lead to sex & normally in our opinion only mediocre sex at that, & who wants just mediocre, but I take on board your opinion as a single girl & thankyou for sharing it "When we're meeting we don't kiss our casual partners passionately on the mouth. We make it clear on our profile so nobody needs to contact us if kissing is a must. These threads always have many more people saying that kissing is a must and it adds to the intimacy etc but I'm left wondering why people need to seek that degree of intimacy outside of their relationship and with people that they only have a superficial relationship with. Of course that's my opinion only and I absolutely accept that everyone must play in a way that suits them | |||
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"These threads always have many more people saying that kissing is a must and it adds to the intimacy etc but I'm left wondering why people need to seek that degree of intimacy outside of their relationship and with people that they only have a superficial relationship with. Of course that's my opinion only and I absolutely accept that everyone must play in a way that suits them " It's not a matter of needing to seek intimacy, it's a matter of wanting to, and enjoying it. If you enjoy intimacy, then why wouldn't you want to be intimate with as many people as possible? And lots of people just don't enjoy emotionless sex - it's why most of us are here rather than just paying for it. | |||
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"It surprises us the amount of women who will happily kiss me & let my hubbie slip his cock into them, but not his tongue into her mouth - the excuse is always the same
"It's too personal"
ffs get over yourselves, like having his cock in your mouth or his tongue up your arse isn't too personal, really! - the amount of potential playdates that have been scuppered at the social stage when this revelation comes out, maybe worth putting that small detail in your bio & saving everyone a lot of time
Bit judgemental.
Kissing is important for me but I’ve no issue with those who choose not to, they’re just not for me.
Absolutely not judgemental, & you've only got to read the amount of replies on this thread that say the same- no kissing no play- our point purely is be up front about what you want or don't want on your profile, that way it saves a lot of wasted time for everyone, & as much as we'd agree that some may find kissing too intimate, we'd argue that you cant be more intimate than allowing someone to have oral sex, & yes whilst we'd agree you can have sex without intimacy,to us, whilst not being emotional involved with someone, would still require a degree of intimacy to have a good playdate,too many rules or caveats simply lead to sex & normally in our opinion only mediocre sex at that, & who wants just mediocre, but I take on board your opinion as a single girl & thankyou for sharing it
It was the ‘get over yourself’ - like I say, I enjoy kissing but I think it’s unfair to say people who’ve set a certain boundary should get over themselves. "Agreed, we honestly dont care if the person we meet wants to kiss or not, the real fun is in what else you get up besides kissing in our opinion. Besides just having preferences and setting boundaries some people may not want to kiss due to them finding it overstimulating. I can get that way myself to be fair, happy to kiss but its just not that important to me. Incidentally, we have a meet planned with a lovely lady who has said shes not into kissing men. It doesnt bother us at all, she has her boundaries and we will respect them. We'd be stupid to turn down a meet with a lovely lady just because she didn't want to kiss one of us. Bring on the fun! Lol Mrs x | |||
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"These threads always have many more people saying that kissing is a must and it adds to the intimacy etc but I'm left wondering why people need to seek that degree of intimacy outside of their relationship and with people that they only have a superficial relationship with. Of course that's my opinion only and I absolutely accept that everyone must play in a way that suits them It's not a matter of needing to seek intimacy, it's a matter of wanting to, and enjoying it. If you enjoy intimacy, then why wouldn't you want to be intimate with as many people as possible? And lots of people just don't enjoy emotionless sex - it's why most of us are here rather than just paying for it. " Ah the link between no kissing, lack of emotion and sex work. It's an argument that will never be settled and one boundary that seems to be very difficult for people to accept | |||
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"I absolutely need kissing as part of foreplay and sex, others don't. We wouldn't be compatible, so I wouldn't have sex with them. We don't need to argue about who is "right". Everyone is allowed to have their own boundries. " Absolutely agreed. | |||
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"I absolutely need kissing as part of foreplay and sex, others don't. We wouldn't be compatible, so I wouldn't have sex with them. We don't need to argue about who is "right". Everyone is allowed to have their own boundries. " You'd think wouldn't you that wouldn't need to be said but here we are 🤷♀️ | |||
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"I absolutely need kissing as part of foreplay and sex, others don't. We wouldn't be compatible, so I wouldn't have sex with them. We don't need to argue about who is "right". Everyone is allowed to have their own boundries. You'd think wouldn't you that wouldn't need to be said but here we are 🤷♀️" It always surprises me the vehemence that comes out around this topic. Ropes, sounding, etc? Some people like it, some people don't. Kissing - here's the Gospel According to Fabio and thou shalt not deviate 🤦♀️ | |||
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"Yes. Absolutely. I cannot imagine myself entwined or ensconced within the company of a woman without the tactile overtures of kissing. Without kissing everything feels hollow and empty. How do you ignite the passion if there is no kissing?" I find eye contact intensely intimate, far more than kissing. The act of sex itself is the ultimate act of intimacy for me. But thats just me x Mrs x | |||
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"I absolutely need kissing as part of foreplay and sex, others don't. We wouldn't be compatible, so I wouldn't have sex with them. We don't need to argue about who is "right". Everyone is allowed to have their own boundries. You'd think wouldn't you that wouldn't need to be said but here we are 🤷♀️ It always surprises me the vehemence that comes out around this topic. Ropes, sounding, etc? Some people like it, some people don't. Kissing - here's the Gospel According to Fabio and thou shalt not deviate 🤦♀️" I heave a heavy sigh every time I see 'Pretty Woman' 'cold and emotionless' etc | |||
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"Is there anyone who thinks no? I’d be interested to know why you wouldn’t want to kiss 🤷♂️" There are some of us. | |||
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"Is there anyone who thinks no? I’d be interested to know why you wouldn’t want to kiss 🤷♂️" Those who engage in purely physical functional acts wouldn't necessarily want to have that boundary crossed. Kissing, mouths, tongues, scents, tastes, right up literally in your face.... much more intimate than 'p in v'. Both involve body parts inside you but one's harder to detach and dissociate from mentally. One's harder to be unemotional about. And it's not only couples. Singles have physical boundaries too. I'd not have physical contact with just anyone. Figuring out if I'd be comfortable kissing someone is the perfect test of attraction. | |||
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"Is there anyone who thinks no? I’d be interested to know why you wouldn’t want to kiss 🤷♂️ Those who engage in purely physical functional acts wouldn't necessarily want to have that boundary crossed. Kissing, mouths, tongues, scents, tastes, right up literally in your face.... much more intimate than 'p in v'. Both involve body parts inside you but one's harder to detach and dissociate from mentally. One's harder to be unemotional about. And it's not only couples. Singles have physical boundaries too. I'd not have physical contact with just anyone. Figuring out if I'd be comfortable kissing someone is the perfect test of attraction. " What differentiates kissing from other purely functional, physical acts? | |||
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"It’s the most important element for me." • Is there any chance you could leave an indelible mark of your Dior™ 999 Rouge on my pristine-white collar? | |||
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"Is there anyone who thinks no? I’d be interested to know why you wouldn’t want to kiss 🤷♂️ Those who engage in purely physical functional acts wouldn't necessarily want to have that boundary crossed. Kissing, mouths, tongues, scents, tastes, right up literally in your face.... much more intimate than 'p in v'. Both involve body parts inside you but one's harder to detach and dissociate from mentally. One's harder to be unemotional about. And it's not only couples. Singles have physical boundaries too. I'd not have physical contact with just anyone. Figuring out if I'd be comfortable kissing someone is the perfect test of attraction. What differentiates kissing from other purely functional, physical acts?" Well you can of course be a functional mechanical kisser I suppose. Wet slap of the tongue and suck the life out of them. That's not the kissing I was thinking of. I was thinking of the intimate, sensual kind where you make love to their entire face tiny sips and nips, dips and lips, you have mouth sex and communicate how much you adore getting naked with someone with your lips tongue teeth and breath. | |||
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"Is there anyone who thinks no? I’d be interested to know why you wouldn’t want to kiss 🤷♂️ Those who engage in purely physical functional acts wouldn't necessarily want to have that boundary crossed. Kissing, mouths, tongues, scents, tastes, right up literally in your face.... much more intimate than 'p in v'. Both involve body parts inside you but one's harder to detach and dissociate from mentally. One's harder to be unemotional about. And it's not only couples. Singles have physical boundaries too. I'd not have physical contact with just anyone. Figuring out if I'd be comfortable kissing someone is the perfect test of attraction. What differentiates kissing from other purely functional, physical acts? Well you can of course be a functional mechanical kisser I suppose. Wet slap of the tongue and suck the life out of them. That's not the kissing I was thinking of. I was thinking of the intimate, sensual kind where you make love to their entire face tiny sips and nips, dips and lips, you have mouth sex and communicate how much you adore getting naked with someone with your lips tongue teeth and breath." Are you assuming other sexual activities are functional and mechanical if not preceded by kissing? | |||
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"Is there anyone who thinks no? I’d be interested to know why you wouldn’t want to kiss 🤷♂️ Those who engage in purely physical functional acts wouldn't necessarily want to have that boundary crossed. Kissing, mouths, tongues, scents, tastes, right up literally in your face.... much more intimate than 'p in v'. Both involve body parts inside you but one's harder to detach and dissociate from mentally. One's harder to be unemotional about. And it's not only couples. Singles have physical boundaries too. I'd not have physical contact with just anyone. Figuring out if I'd be comfortable kissing someone is the perfect test of attraction. What differentiates kissing from other purely functional, physical acts? Well you can of course be a functional mechanical kisser I suppose. Wet slap of the tongue and suck the life out of them. That's not the kissing I was thinking of. I was thinking of the intimate, sensual kind where you make love to their entire face tiny sips and nips, dips and lips, you have mouth sex and communicate how much you adore getting naked with someone with your lips tongue teeth and breath. Are you assuming other sexual activities are functional and mechanical if not preceded by kissing? " One should never assume anything. | |||
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