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By *ranny-Crumpet OP   Woman
4 days ago

Crumpet Castle

and won't try to persuade you otherwise.

Said no one ever.

Are all people naturally manipulative ?

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By *midnight-Woman
4 days ago

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Selfish or well intentioned perhaps

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By *ellinever70Woman
4 days ago

Ayrshire

It's the sex

It addles their brains

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By *ranny-Crumpet OP   Woman
4 days ago

Crumpet Castle


"Selfish or well intentioned perhaps "

So the motive / intention matters ?

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By *midnight-Woman
4 days ago

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"Selfish or well intentioned perhaps

So the motive / intention matters ?"

I like to start from a point that everyone is acting out of good intention regardless of the situation

I'm not sure everything in life is manipulation - or are we just talking about fab? Maybe I can spot it, as it doesn't seem to happen to much?

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By *ranny-Crumpet OP   Woman
4 days ago

Crumpet Castle


"It's the sex

It addles their brains "

I've never heard of brain sex ..... it had to happen sooner or later I guess.

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By *reyToTheFairiesWoman
4 days ago

Carlisle usually

I've heard similar words from people.

They're rare but there are people out there that do respect other people's autonomy and choice 💜

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By *ea monkeyMan
4 days ago

Manchester (he/him)


"and won't try to persuade you otherwise.

Said no one ever.

Are all people naturally manipulative ?"

I’ve definitely said it and meant it in the past.

I’m not looking for a gold star, it should be a basic respect for another’s autonomy. I also recognise that many people don’t see that or think like that.

Many people are manipulative and just want their own outcomes in all things, stopping at very little to achieve those ends

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By *ittlebirdWoman
4 days ago

The Big Smoke


"and won't try to persuade you otherwise.

Said no one ever.

Are all people naturally manipulative ?"

No. Not all.

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By *issilia AmoriWoman
4 days ago

St Albans/ North Welsh Borders


"and won't try to persuade you otherwise.

Said no one ever.

Are all people naturally manipulative ?"

I do think nearly everyone has used some form of manipulation to a varying degree from parenting, at work, in life. Parents use manipulation all the time to negotiate their way through life with kids.....it's a definite human trait

I guess there are varying levels of manipulation and when it's used as an emotional tactic and coercion that's when it becomes harmful I guess

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By *exyScientistsCouple
4 days ago

Castlebar

I think most people, especially on here are out for their own gain and that makes them unintentionally manipulative because they want easy sex and an easy life...

And will do what they can to make that happen. Maybe I'm naturally synical but that's what I've seen a lot of and I'm on high alert for it most of the time now. I know I overthink but I read a lot into how people behave. Probably a bad thing sometimes but I'm usually right in the long run 😇

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
4 days ago

East Sussex

Do some people genuinely believe their partner is missing out on something by not white water rafting but is afraid to talk to them about it, so asks members of the white water rafting club for ideas on how to persuade them without actually discussing it in depth with their partner or letting them know that they have been wwr for some time? I expect so.

I think it's more likely that their long cherished fantasy is to watch their partner hanging grimly to the side of a raft as it bumps its way down a rapid but they're afraid of their reaction so want to introduce the idea in a roundabout way and making it seem as if they have their best interests at heart shows them in a positive light.

I really wish people would discuss white water rafting their partners honestly.

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By *ea monkeyMan
4 days ago

Manchester (he/him)


"Do some people genuinely believe their partner is missing out on something by not white water rafting but is afraid to talk to them about it, so asks members of the white water rafting club for ideas on how to persuade them without actually discussing it in depth with their partner or letting them know that they have been wwr for some time? I expect so.

I think it's more likely that their long cherished fantasy is to watch their partner hanging grimly to the side of a raft as it bumps its way down a rapid but they're afraid of their reaction so want to introduce the idea in a roundabout way and making it seem as if they have their best interests at heart shows them in a positive light.

I really wish people would discuss white water rafting their partners honestly. "

Bloody people and their water sports

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
4 days ago

East Sussex

^^

No kink shaming please. White water rafting should be respected by all.

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By *egasus NobMan
4 days ago

Wandsworth

Yes, everyone is manipulative to some extent it’s a part of human nature. But the difference lies in the degree and intent. Some people use subtle influence in everyday interactions, while others may go to great lengths, crossing ethical lines to control and or deceive.

manipulative can be swapped with survival or control, even ego, in a sense.

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By *estructionDollyWoman
4 days ago

Manchester

I think quite often, some people aren't even self aware enough to realise they are being manipulative. I don't think manipulations are all so overt.

I think we are social animals, and we live in a world of constant social interactions to navigate.

I will say I often use subtle manipulation at work to get people around to my thinking, for example, or to manage my useless manager into changing the way she does things, not for any nefarious reasons but simply to make my life easier/better.

When it comes to relationships I like to think I respect people's autonomy and their decisions and opinions, but I am also not afraid to advocate for myself and my needs these days. Maybe some people might see that as manipulative. Who knows.

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By *ranny-Crumpet OP   Woman
4 days ago

Crumpet Castle


"^^

No kink shaming please. White water rafting should be respected by all. "

I once had a meet who was hell bent on encouraging me to go white water rafting up the log flume ...

I declined.....

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
4 days ago

East Sussex


"^^

No kink shaming please. White water rafting should be respected by all.

I once had a meet who was hell bent on encouraging me to go white water rafting up the log flume ...

I declined..... "

We all have our red lines Granny

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By *eathcliffMan
4 days ago

Cardiff

Are all people naturally manipulative?

In small ways, probably. Most of us try to guide outcomes now and then—whether it’s to feel safe, to be understood, or to avoid conflict. It’s rarely malicious, and often unconscious. We’re just trying to make life a little less uncertain. The key is knowing when it’s happening—especially in ourselves—and staying honest where it counts.

But if you're asking about full-time manipulation… aren't you talking Catholic priests or priests in general ?

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By *rSircumsizedMan
4 days ago

Newport


"and won't try to persuade you otherwise.

Said no one ever.

Are all people naturally manipulative ?"

I say it, and wouldn't consider myself as manipulative.

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By *electableicecreamMan
4 days ago

The West

No, no they are not.

Simples.

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By *egnMaxCouple
4 days ago

Nottingham

Not all of the people all of the time.

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By *infulWinksMan
4 days ago

harolds cross,


"and won't try to persuade you otherwise.

Said no one ever.

Are all people naturally manipulative ?"

That is a generalisation and a half. I’m not manipulative, don’t need to be. I think it revolves around self worth and valuing others.

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By *each needs some creamWoman
4 days ago

Ilfracombe

I must be getting a different calibre of messages than most then .

Most of my messages ask what are your needs and wishes.

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By *sTiqueWoman
4 days ago

Leeds

Maybe i'm too cynical but when folk ask very early in a convo - 'what do you like/want/what turns you on' I read it as a request for some wank-bank material for them as an end in itself... I think if you get to know people it becomes more organically obvious what those needs and wishes are.

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By *ranny-Crumpet OP   Woman
4 days ago

Crumpet Castle


"and won't try to persuade you otherwise.

Said no one ever.

Are all people naturally manipulative ?

That is a generalisation and a half. I’m not manipulative, don’t need to be. I think it revolves around self worth and valuing others.

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It wasn't a generalisation , it wasn't a statement , it was a question

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man
4 days ago

BRIDPORT

I don’t think I have ever told someone that I respect their needs and wishes, it is up to them to respect their own needs and wishes and take steps to achieve those.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
4 days ago

Central

We're social animals and so we thrive on engagement. We'll often try to influence, which you might perceive as manipulation. At least we're able to communicate, to discuss what's happening between us

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