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"The misinformation going on out there is horrible.. that’s why Merseyside police are being really quick with getting out information " I was just about to say similar. We don't know the reason behind it. Let's not speculate. Just focus on the injured right now. | |||
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"The misinformation going on out there is horrible.. that’s why Merseyside police are being really quick with getting out information " What do you think about the poor people run down Fabio? | |||
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"Seeing the abandoned buggy and hoping the child is safe is on my mind now Terrible to see anything like this when families are out celebrating Obviously huge amount of misinformation online which is why the police are so quick with the 53 year old white British male statement "  | |||
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"Horrific footage. Looks like the police did an excellent job in incredibly difficult circumstances and no point speculating, the truth will out but thought and prayers with those involved. Had family there so very a scary " I agree, I hope yr families ok. There is no point in speculating, it's scary how common vehicles are being used though. And yr right, it does look like the police did the best they could. Here's hoping everyone's OK. A sad day | |||
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"Seeing the abandoned buggy and hoping the child is safe is on my mind now Terrible to see anything like this when families are out celebrating Obviously huge amount of misinformation online which is why the police are so quick with the 53 year old white British male statement " | |||
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"The misinformation going on out there is horrible.. that’s why Merseyside police are being really quick with getting out information What do you think about the poor people run down Fabio?" Absolutely horrific… wouldn’t wish it upon anyone! Hope the casualties are minimal The problem was the “usual suspects “ on social media were already putting out a narrative like at Southport, so Merseyside police have hopefully squashed all that before anyone else becomes a victim of misinformation | |||
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"The misinformation going on out there is horrible.. that’s why Merseyside police are being really quick with getting out information What do you think about the poor people run down Fabio? Absolutely horrific… wouldn’t wish it upon anyone! Hope the casualties are minimal The problem was the “usual suspects “ on social media were already putting out a narrative like at Southport, so Merseyside police have hopefully squashed all that before anyone else becomes a victim of misinformation " They’re now saying crazy things about the fact that the race is the person was released so soon is because of racism against white folk and that Brits need to take their country back.  | |||
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"Just seen the video absolutely horrific. " What video and where ? | |||
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"The misinformation going on out there is horrible.. that’s why Merseyside police are being really quick with getting out information What do you think about the poor people run down Fabio? Absolutely horrific… wouldn’t wish it upon anyone! Hope the casualties are minimal The problem was the “usual suspects “ on social media were already putting out a narrative like at Southport, so Merseyside police have hopefully squashed all that before anyone else becomes a victim of misinformation They’re now saying crazy things about the fact that the race is the person was released so soon is because of racism against white folk and that Brits need to take their country back. "Who are 'they' ? | |||
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"Just seen the video absolutely horrific. What video and where ?" It's easy to find on twitter. But it is horrific to watch | |||
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"Just seen the video absolutely horrific. What video and where ? It's easy to find on twitter. But it is horrific to watch" Why would you want to watch it? Why would anyone want to?? Other than the police noone should WANT to and shame on anyone who does. It's ghoulish | |||
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"Just seen the video absolutely horrific. What video and where ? It's easy to find on twitter. But it is horrific to watch" I'll have a look for it ...... Is the actual first impact one followed by the continuation into the crowd ? | |||
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"Just seen the video absolutely horrific. What video and where ? It's easy to find on twitter. But it is horrific to watch" A real sad feature of the world of instant access media and internet,wish such scenes could be removed by platforms in these incidences Thoughts for these who may have suffered injury | |||
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"Yeah it's crazy... I've seen the numerous videos circulating x and it's hard to tell. But I think his car was being attacked beforehand. But the bigger question I have is. Why did the police even allow cars down that street. One video I saw... The car tried reversing but an ambulance was in the way then someone opened his car door and he floored it " You are not alone in thinking that. We will see. | |||
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"Just seen the video absolutely horrific. What video and where ? It's easy to find on twitter. But it is horrific to watch I'll have a look for it ...... Is the actual first impact one followed by the continuation into the crowd ?" There’s a few videos. There’s also a guy filming the scene afterwards. It’s really crazy stuff. | |||
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"The misinformation going on out there is horrible.. that’s why Merseyside police are being really quick with getting out information What do you think about the poor people run down Fabio? Absolutely horrific… wouldn’t wish it upon anyone! Hope the casualties are minimal The problem was the “usual suspects “ on social media were already putting out a narrative like at Southport, so Merseyside police have hopefully squashed all that before anyone else becomes a victim of misinformation They’re now saying crazy things about the fact that the race is the person was released so soon is because of racism against white folk and that Brits need to take their country back.
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"Just seen the video absolutely horrific. What video and where ? It's easy to find on twitter. But it is horrific to watch I'll have a look for it ...... Is the actual first impact one followed by the continuation into the crowd ? There’s a few videos. There’s also a guy filming the scene afterwards. It’s really crazy stuff. " I have seen a few but I got them from people not from social media so I wanted to see what was there. There can't be anything more horrific than the one I have seen | |||
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"Just seen the video absolutely horrific. What video and where ? It's easy to find on twitter. But it is horrific to watch A real sad feature of the world of instant access media and internet,wish such scenes could be removed by platforms in these incidences Thoughts for these who may have suffered injury " Couldn’t agree more. It leads to unhelpful speculation not to mention how disrespectful it is to those affected. | |||
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"That community have had enough to deal with. Utterly abhorrent and I hope he feels the full force of the law (and gets a kicking tonight too). All crash related injuries of course "Why do you shout for violence when you don't know what went on ? | |||
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"Just seen the video absolutely horrific. What video and where ? It's easy to find on twitter. But it is horrific to watch I'll have a look for it ...... Is the actual first impact one followed by the continuation into the crowd ?" Granny, there are videos people have uploaded from two, three stories up on Water Street as well as street level. I'm not going to presume or assume as to the cause or reasons of the driver. It's horrendous, but the speculation on line is despicable. And some awful, stereotypical comments. | |||
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"That community have had enough to deal with. Utterly abhorrent and I hope he feels the full force of the law (and gets a kicking tonight too). All crash related injuries of course
Why do you shout for violence when you don't know what went on ? "Because we live in a world where the 7 second mindset exists. If 14 seconds were used you would have a different narrative | |||
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"Just seen the video absolutely horrific. What video and where ? It's easy to find on twitter. But it is horrific to watch I'll have a look for it ...... Is the actual first impact one followed by the continuation into the crowd ? Granny, there are videos people have uploaded from two, three stories up on Water Street as well as street level. I'm not going to presume or assume as to the cause or reasons of the driver. It's horrendous, but the speculation on line is despicable. And some awful, stereotypical comments. " The car was being attacked beforehand | |||
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"Just seen the video absolutely horrific. What video and where ? It's easy to find on twitter. But it is horrific to watch Why would you want to watch it? Why would anyone want to?? Other than the police noone should WANT to and shame on anyone who does. It's ghoulish " From your perspective it's ghoulish. I wasn't thinking of seeing it from idle curiosity or for pleasure. We can only think with our own mind I guess. | |||
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"omg, I've just seen the video. Why would anyone do something so horrifying" I think from what I've seen he was trying to escape his car being attacked | |||
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"That community have had enough to deal with. Utterly abhorrent and I hope he feels the full force of the law (and gets a kicking tonight too). All crash related injuries of course
Why do you shout for violence when you don't know what went on ? "I hold my hand up. I’m playing judge jury and executioner based on the video I saw which I find incredibly disturbing | |||
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"Just seen the video absolutely horrific. What video and where ? It's easy to find on twitter. But it is horrific to watch I'll have a look for it ...... Is the actual first impact one followed by the continuation into the crowd ? Granny, there are videos people have uploaded from two, three stories up on Water Street as well as street level. I'm not going to presume or assume as to the cause or reasons of the driver. It's horrendous, but the speculation on line is despicable. And some awful, stereotypical comments. The car was being attacked beforehand " As I said, I'm not presuming or assuming anything. | |||
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"omg, I've just seen the video. Why would anyone do something so horrifying I think from what I've seen he was trying to escape his car being attacked " I thought it looked like he drove into the crowd after hitting the first person. But we will have to wait and see what is said | |||
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"Just seen the video absolutely horrific. What video and where ? It's easy to find on twitter. But it is horrific to watch I'll have a look for it ...... Is the actual first impact one followed by the continuation into the crowd ? Granny, there are videos people have uploaded from two, three stories up on Water Street as well as street level. I'm not going to presume or assume as to the cause or reasons of the driver. It's horrendous, but the speculation on line is despicable. And some awful, stereotypical comments. " Thanks. I've seen that one. I was ill for an hour. Don't feel settled now. x | |||
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"omg, I've just seen the video. Why would anyone do something so horrifying I think from what I've seen he was trying to escape his car being attacked " Again, we don’t know the context or what happened prior to the footage. At the end of the day people have been hurt. The whys can wait for another time. | |||
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"omg, I've just seen the video. Why would anyone do something so horrifying I think from what I've seen he was trying to escape his car being attacked I thought it looked like he drove into the crowd after hitting the first person. But we will have to wait and see what is said " From a video I saw he reversed at first but an ambulance was in the way. The car was being attacked and someone opened his door. He closed it... Then the car was being kicked and things were being thrown so he floored it | |||
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"omg, I've just seen the video. Why would anyone do something so horrifying I think from what I've seen he was trying to escape his car being attacked Again, we don’t know the context or what happened prior to the footage. At the end of the day people have been hurt. The whys can wait for another time. " I've seen 10s before he floored it. The video is there to see | |||
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"omg, I've just seen the video. Why would anyone do something so horrifying I think from what I've seen he was trying to escape his car being attacked I thought it looked like he drove into the crowd after hitting the first person. But we will have to wait and see what is said From a video I saw he reversed at first but an ambulance was in the way. The car was being attacked and someone opened his door. He closed it... Then the car was being kicked and things were being thrown so he floored it " that’s the one I saw first. | |||
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"If you see the crowds why would you drive towards it? Why would you not find an officer/steward (there would have been loads) and explain the situation? Why would you not just abandon the car and hold your hands up and wait for the celebration to be over?" Fight or flight I'd assume | |||
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"That community have had enough to deal with. Utterly abhorrent and I hope he feels the full force of the law (and gets a kicking tonight too). All crash related injuries of course
Why do you shout for violence when you don't know what went on ?
I hold my hand up. I’m playing judge jury and executioner based on the video I saw which I find incredibly disturbing "It really was TGK .... it really was. I saw one from previous though and my gut tells me it's not as clear cut as it first appears | |||
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"omg, I've just seen the video. Why would anyone do something so horrifying I think from what I've seen he was trying to escape his car being attacked I thought it looked like he drove into the crowd after hitting the first person. But we will have to wait and see what is said From a video I saw he reversed at first but an ambulance was in the way. The car was being attacked and someone opened his door. He closed it... Then the car was being kicked and things were being thrown so he floored it that’s the one I saw first. " This makes me think it was a fight or flight response. He could have driven the whole length of the road. But I think he realised what he did and stopped | |||
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"If you see the crowds why would you drive towards it? Why would you not find an officer/steward (there would have been loads) and explain the situation? Why would you not just abandon the car and hold your hands up and wait for the celebration to be over? Fight or flight I'd assume " I can understand that to a degree. Veering from a straight trajectory into the crowd and then out of it doesn’t sit well however | |||
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"If you see the crowds why would you drive towards it? Why would you not find an officer/steward (there would have been loads) and explain the situation? Why would you not just abandon the car and hold your hands up and wait for the celebration to be over?" I have a possibility in mind but as it's conjecture I will wait until our wonderful trusted and efficient police force inform us of what's what. | |||
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"If you see the crowds why would you drive towards it? Why would you not find an officer/steward (there would have been loads) and explain the situation? Why would you not just abandon the car and hold your hands up and wait for the celebration to be over?" The car was being attacked by an angry mob. He'd have been killed if he got out of that car without police around. In that kind of situation I believe he just wanted to get to safety which triggered fight or flight and he didn't think, just reacted. But I think a few seconds later when he stopped the car he realised and then went with the police to safety | |||
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"Apparently the driver had a heart attack." Where'd you hear that? | |||
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"If you see the crowds why would you drive towards it? Why would you not find an officer/steward (there would have been loads) and explain the situation? Why would you not just abandon the car and hold your hands up and wait for the celebration to be over? The car was being attacked by an angry mob. He'd have been killed if he got out of that car without police around. In that kind of situation I believe he just wanted to get to safety which triggered fight or flight and he didn't think, just reacted. But I think a few seconds later when he stopped the car he realised and then went with the police to safety " now ive seen this sort of thing before and in some cases its an innocent accident theyve stopped waited even called for the police and ambulance. then the crowd mentality steps in and you then can fear for your life. the person could have gotten into the car for safety put when you have a pack of wolves at your door kicking and smashing at stuff its what do you do once the door was opened your in danger real life danger what are your options!!!!! this kinda happens often within the area that i can tell you | |||
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"This is on the police. The road should have been completely closed off " You will probably find that the local authority is responsible for pre planned road closures and have to supply marshalls. Police, ambulance and fire service would have been in attendance due to sheer numbers present and to deal with any emergencies as they happened. From what I've seen, all the emergency services acted very quickly in a dynamic and volatile situation. My thoughts are with the injured and their families. | |||
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"This is on the police. The road should have been completely closed off You will probably find that the local authority is responsible for pre planned road closures and have to supply marshalls. Police, ambulance and fire service would have been in attendance due to sheer numbers present and to deal with any emergencies as they happened. From what I've seen, all the emergency services acted very quickly in a dynamic and volatile situation. My thoughts are with the injured and their families. " Yes, and it can take months for road closure planning to be approved This news is horrific. I don't want to speculate or add anything other than my thoughts and prayers with everyone affected today 😘❤️ | |||
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"I have a possibility in mind but as it's conjecture I will wait until our wonderful trusted and efficient police force inform us of what's what. " I presume you mean you think it was like the dozens of examples posted on social media of events where angry people decide to ignore road closures and crowds? | |||
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"Just seen the video absolutely horrific. What video and where ? It's easy to find on twitter. But it is horrific to watch Why would you want to watch it? Why would anyone want to?? Other than the police noone should WANT to and shame on anyone who does. It's ghoulish " I must admit I agree. I actually avoid tv news programmes as I don't need to see horrible things or hear shit being spouted. | |||
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"From the vids I have seen he entered a closed road with thousands of people walking along it. He got told it was a closed road by people in the street and ignored them anyway, so people rightly tried to stop him. Most people would have just backed up and tried to leave the street or even just stopped. He decided against doing that and put his foot down and mowed down tens of people instead .There is no excuses whichever way people want to excuse that. I also don't understand if he is a local that he wouldn't know that wasn't a road to try and get down even if it was open as the road is off the Strand which the parade was on with thousands of people on it and shut at the time." I think that’s the other thing. It seems unfathomable that someone wouldn’t know this event was happening. And then to drive directly into the crowd feels like an action that is so far from normal in the circumstances. Hard to imagine there will be information that can justify it in my head | |||
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"From the vids I have seen he entered a closed road with thousands of people walking along it. He got told it was a closed road by people in the street and ignored them anyway, so people rightly tried to stop him. Most people would have just backed up and tried to leave the street or even just stopped. He decided against doing that and put his foot down and mowed down tens of people instead .There is no excuses whichever way people want to excuse that. I also don't understand if he is a local that he wouldn't know that wasn't a road to try and get down even if it was open as the road is off the Strand which the parade was on with thousands of people on it and shut at the time." One of the vids I saw seemed to also show cars in front of him though? Which would suggest the road had been reopened prematurely by the inept authorities… | |||
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"From the vids I have seen he entered a closed road with thousands of people walking along it. He got told it was a closed road by people in the street and ignored them anyway, so people rightly tried to stop him. Most people would have just backed up and tried to leave the street or even just stopped. He decided against doing that and put his foot down and mowed down tens of people instead .There is no excuses whichever way people want to excuse that. I also don't understand if he is a local that he wouldn't know that wasn't a road to try and get down even if it was open as the road is off the Strand which the parade was on with thousands of people on it and shut at the time." One of the vids I saw seemed to also show cars in front of him though? Which would suggest the road had been reopened prematurely by the inept authorities… | |||
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"From the vids I have seen he entered a closed road with thousands of people walking along it. He got told it was a closed road by people in the street and ignored them anyway, so people rightly tried to stop him. Most people would have just backed up and tried to leave the street or even just stopped. He decided against doing that and put his foot down and mowed down tens of people instead .There is no excuses whichever way people want to excuse that. I also don't understand if he is a local that he wouldn't know that wasn't a road to try and get down even if it was open as the road is off the Strand which the parade was on with thousands of people on it and shut at the time. One of the vids I saw seemed to also show cars in front of him though? Which would suggest the road had been reopened prematurely by the inept authorities… " there was no other cars in front of him | |||
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"It’s horrific, but sadly these things don’t suprise me anymore. There is such disrespect for human life in this world. Everyone is in it for themselves at the detriment of others. I lost my faith in humanity a long time ago. Absolutely sums it up.👍 " | |||
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"As mentioned above no one knows anything yet. The videos I've seen do show a group of people clearly banging the car windows etc before he drove into the crowd. That's not excusing what happened next, but the people involved in that should definitely be questioned too. It must have been intimidating being surrounded like that. Thoughts are with the victims and their families 💔" | |||
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"From the vids I have seen he entered a closed road with thousands of people walking along it. He got told it was a closed road by people in the street and ignored them anyway, so people rightly tried to stop him. Most people would have just backed up and tried to leave the street or even just stopped. He decided against doing that and put his foot down and mowed down tens of people instead .There is no excuses whichever way people want to excuse that. I also don't understand if he is a local that he wouldn't know that wasn't a road to try and get down even if it was open as the road is off the Strand which the parade was on with thousands of people on it and shut at the time. One of the vids I saw seemed to also show cars in front of him though? Which would suggest the road had been reopened prematurely by the inept authorities… there was no other cars in front of him" You’ve not seen the video. There are clearly vehicles in front of him on Dale Street where he reversed & tgey start kicking his car. | |||
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"From the vids I have seen he entered a closed road with thousands of people walking along it. He got told it was a closed road by people in the street and ignored them anyway, so people rightly tried to stop him. Most people would have just backed up and tried to leave the street or even just stopped. He decided against doing that and put his foot down and mowed down tens of people instead .There is no excuses whichever way people want to excuse that. I also don't understand if he is a local that he wouldn't know that wasn't a road to try and get down even if it was open as the road is off the Strand which the parade was on with thousands of people on it and shut at the time. One of the vids I saw seemed to also show cars in front of him though? Which would suggest the road had been reopened prematurely by the inept authorities… there was no other cars in front of him You’ve not seen the video. There are clearly vehicles in front of him on Dale Street where he reversed & tgey start kicking his car." i’ve seen many videos of the incident, from various angles, there’s no vehicles 🙄 | |||
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"From the videos I’ve seen it seems a catalogue of errors. Authorities reopening the road too soon. Petulant driver honking his horn trying to drive through a massive crowd that hasn’t yet dispersed Driver dccidently reverses & nudges a woman at 3 mph. Thugs tanked up on ale then start kicking & vandalising the car Driver goes into fight or flight mode, completely loses it & drives away from the situation, down the road mowing down pedestrians. Sad all round really. Take it the white male driver won’t be a Liverpool fan, unless getting down that road quickly was a matter of life or death for him? …surely you would laugh that situation off & just be patient maybe only honking your horn to join in the revelry? " I used to marshal large sporting events for many years and you'd be surprised how many car drivers tried to force their way onto the course as they had no patience. One time during the great south run many tens of thousands of runners in the road,guy pulled up at a barrier moved it then was just about to drive into the oncoming runners, fortunately I was able to get Infront of him on my bike ( I was a bike marshal) and stop him untill the police intervened. Point is people are incredibly inpatient. | |||
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"From the vids I have seen he entered a closed road with thousands of people walking along it. He got told it was a closed road by people in the street and ignored them anyway, so people rightly tried to stop him. Most people would have just backed up and tried to leave the street or even just stopped. He decided against doing that and put his foot down and mowed down tens of people instead .There is no excuses whichever way people want to excuse that. I also don't understand if he is a local that he wouldn't know that wasn't a road to try and get down even if it was open as the road is off the Strand which the parade was on with thousands of people on it and shut at the time. One of the vids I saw seemed to also show cars in front of him though? Which would suggest the road had been reopened prematurely by the inept authorities… there was no other cars in front of him You’ve not seen the video. There are clearly vehicles in front of him on Dale Street where he reversed & tgey start kicking his car. i’ve seen many videos of the incident, from various angles, there’s no vehicles 🙄" Well you haven’t seen all the videos then. I’m not making this up as I have absolutely no motive whatsoever to do so. The driver is on the road behind 2 or 3 other cars stuck in traffic outside Entwistle Green on Dale Street. It appears one or two fans rock/slap his car a bit. He tries to reverse out pretty slowly but hits a woman. One scouser in a black tracksuit punches his car twice, another fan with a backpack kicks off his rear wiper and punches his window. The driver backs in to the guy in the backpack quite fast, then drives forward pretty quick, with backpack guy chasing him down the road. | |||
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"The misinformation going on out there is horrible.. that’s why Merseyside police are being really quick with getting out information " What a joke. Since Stockport there has been many incidents, terrorist or not involving our "new friends" but the government/police stance of not identifying them went unchanged. But they get a chance with a white man it is straight out there.Two tier Starmer,two tier Britain | |||
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"The misinformation going on out there is horrible.. that’s why Merseyside police are being really quick with getting out information What a joke. Since Stockport there has been many incidents, terrorist or not involving our "new friends" but the government/police stance of not identifying them went unchanged. But they get a chance with a white man it is straight out there.Two tier Starmer,two tier Britain " You're right, people are stupid enough to speculate regardless of what information the police provide. I do find it interesting that you're focusing on this line of thought rather than thinking of the people affected and injured and whose families are suffering | |||
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"The misinformation going on out there is horrible.. that’s why Merseyside police are being really quick with getting out information What a joke. Since Stockport there has been many incidents, terrorist or not involving our "new friends" but the government/police stance of not identifying them went unchanged. But they get a chance with a white man it is straight out there.Two tier Starmer,two tier Britain " What nonsense. They are just trying to prevent all the crap with riots happening again by people looking for an excuse to cause public disorder. | |||
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"The misinformation going on out there is horrible.. that’s why Merseyside police are being really quick with getting out information What a joke. Since Stockport there has been many incidents, terrorist or not involving our "new friends" but the government/police stance of not identifying them went unchanged. But they get a chance with a white man it is straight out there.Two tier Starmer,two tier Britain You're right, people are stupid enough to speculate regardless of what information the police provide. I do find it interesting that you're focusing on this line of thought rather than thinking of the people affected and injured and whose families are suffering" Well said Joe. | |||
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"From the vids I have seen he entered a closed road with thousands of people walking along it. He got told it was a closed road by people in the street and ignored them anyway, so people rightly tried to stop him. Most people would have just backed up and tried to leave the street or even just stopped. He decided against doing that and put his foot down and mowed down tens of people instead .There is no excuses whichever way people want to excuse that. I also don't understand if he is a local that he wouldn't know that wasn't a road to try and get down even if it was open as the road is off the Strand which the parade was on with thousands of people on it and shut at the time. One of the vids I saw seemed to also show cars in front of him though? Which would suggest the road had been reopened prematurely by the inept authorities… there was no other cars in front of him You’ve not seen the video. There are clearly vehicles in front of him on Dale Street where he reversed & tgey start kicking his car. i’ve seen many videos of the incident, from various angles, there’s no vehicles 🙄 Well you haven’t seen all the videos then. I’m not making this up as I have absolutely no motive whatsoever to do so. The driver is on the road behind 2 or 3 other cars stuck in traffic outside Entwistle Green on Dale Street. It appears one or two fans rock/slap his car a bit. He tries to reverse out pretty slowly but hits a woman. One scouser in a black tracksuit punches his car twice, another fan with a backpack kicks off his rear wiper and punches his window. The driver backs in to the guy in the backpack quite fast, then drives forward pretty quick, with backpack guy chasing him down the road. " Correct,and they smashed his windows and tried to get him out the car. Any surprise he panicked and tried to get away,or maybe his foot came off the clutch? The question is why did the council and police allow vehicles on a closed road? The Mayor and other councilors have already been defending themselves on TV while demanding the journalists they are speaking to not to speculate.Shameful. | |||
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"The misinformation going on out there is horrible.. that’s why Merseyside police are being really quick with getting out information What a joke. Since Stockport there has been many incidents, terrorist or not involving our "new friends" but the government/police stance of not identifying them went unchanged. But they get a chance with a white man it is straight out there.Two tier Starmer,two tier Britain What nonsense. They are just trying to prevent all the crap with riots happening again by people looking for an excuse to cause public disorder." That is nonsense | |||
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"The misinformation going on out there is horrible.. that’s why Merseyside police are being really quick with getting out information What a joke. Since Stockport there has been many incidents, terrorist or not involving our "new friends" but the government/police stance of not identifying them went unchanged. But they get a chance with a white man it is straight out there.Two tier Starmer,two tier Britain You're right, people are stupid enough to speculate regardless of what information the police provide. I do find it interesting that you're focusing on this line of thought rather than thinking of the people affected and injured and whose families are suffering" Did I say I wasn't ? Another apologist making up what other people are thinking. I have family and friends in Liverpool,thank you for not enquiring about them. Oh no,of course you didn't know that so stop making your vile assumptions about me.Thank you | |||
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"The misinformation going on out there is horrible.. that’s why Merseyside police are being really quick with getting out information What a joke. Since Stockport there has been many incidents, terrorist or not involving our "new friends" but the government/police stance of not identifying them went unchanged. But they get a chance with a white man it is straight out there.Two tier Starmer,two tier Britain You're right, people are stupid enough to speculate regardless of what information the police provide. I do find it interesting that you're focusing on this line of thought rather than thinking of the people affected and injured and whose families are suffering Did I say I wasn't ? Another apologist making up what other people are thinking. I have family and friends in Liverpool,thank you for not enquiring about them. Oh no,of course you didn't know that so stop making your vile assumptions about me.Thank you" Why on earth would I enquire about something I didn't know? All I saw was you trying to make a political agenda in the face of a public incident. Tell me, if the police are out there with information if it was an immigrant or a white person that caused this, would the reaction be them for both? And if your answer is "yes" then I really don't need to keep speaking to you. | |||
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"If you're on social media you can see the well known toxic commentators furiously back tracking on what they said immediately after the incident They all came out with the same line of claiming foreigners or Muslims were driving the car Well done to the police for getting in so quick to stop that narrative straight away We all came out with the same line? Did we? Probably half the country may feel that way because they have been let down too often,bit am sure they did not all "come out with the same line" on social media. Some really thick people on here." ‘They’ is referring to the ‘well known toxic commentators’ not the entirety of the country or social media. | |||
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"He had the option of not driving back and then driving forwards in a very densely packed area.. It's not as simple as saying it was started by the fans.. Cars sadly have been used as weapons so that element can't be ruled out in how some reacted.. It's down to the driver.. sorry but it makes no difference the driver did infact hurt others who was not part of the initial assault on the vehicle its these i feel sorry for as goes for the original instigators they should be charged the same as the driver as they was complicit with the event the law also states joint enterprise as well where the fans can be charged with what the driver was charged with as they started the event each one of these want finding and arresting and charged with the same offense short hair guy in the black top walks from the left side lays a boot on the vehicles left side the original instigator red topped person back rear door opened on the right side reversing incident lady bumped in the rear black top guys boots vehicle then lays 2 punches on the vehicle rear panels/glass the grey hair lady ushes him off to the right grey yellow jacket guy wiper booted off on the rear window then lays 2 more hand blows to the vehicle vehicle then reverses fast as a warning the vehicle then drives forward and the black toped flag person throws something solid at the vehicle as it goes with a bang on the vehicle " The primary cause is the driver entering the area behind the ambulance when he was under the influence of drugs behind the wheel.. All the rest might never have taken place without that being the fundamental fact.. Your blaming the wrong person.. Joint enterprise is totally different, go and look it up before trying to use that to exclude the driver from his actions.. Or to blame others who reacted to a situation they had no prior knowledge of, and in all likelihood no previous experiences of that might have made them act differently.. | |||
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"The primary cause is the driver entering the area behind the ambulance when he was under the influence of drugs behind the wheel.. All the rest might never have taken place without that being the fundamental fact.. Your blaming the wrong person.. Joint enterprise is totally different, go and look it up before trying to use that to exclude the driver from his actions.. Or to blame others who reacted to a situation they had no prior knowledge of, and in all likelihood no previous experiences of that might have made them act differently.. my advice watch the video posted as it does show alot of how the incident was caused in the first place wrong that would be failure of the cordened off area not refusing said driver to enter the cordened off area not the driver the driver didnt need the fans laying into the car as clearly seen in the above video the initial attack upon it by liverpool fans. joint enterprise within charges means others can be charged with the same offense as the driver meaning the original instigators of criminal damage upon the vehicle can be charged with what the driver was charged with as i looked it up before i posted the reference" Your wrong about joint enterprise in this particular case, a cat can't be implicated if it runs out in front of a speeding driver who isn't wearing a seat belt who then dies after he swerves to avoid it.. It's an additional factor but the fault is with the driver.. The individuals who hit his car had no knowledge or could the have anticipated the driver would then react by driving into a crowd and mowing people down, they are a factor no doubt his defence will use but it's only mitigating at the very least.. Your attempts to excuse the drivers actions are inaccurate and in poor taste. | |||
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"Your wrong about joint enterprise in this particular case, a cat can't be implicated if it runs out in front of a speeding driver who isn't wearing a seat belt who then dies after he swerves to avoid it.. It's an additional factor but the fault is with the driver.. The individuals who hit his car had no knowledge or could the have anticipated the driver would then react by driving into a crowd and mowing people down, they are a factor no doubt his defence will use but it's only mitigating at the very least.. Your attempts to excuse the drivers actions are inaccurate and in poor taste." ive not excussed the driver as they will be scapegoated anyway cps will make sure of this however as the ones whos action caused the incident can be also be held accountable by a very dangerous law this is the law the law addresses this through concepts like accomplice liability, joint enterprise, and the rules surrounding double jeopardy. The prosecution must establish that the accused had the necessary mens rea (intent) and actus reus (actions) to be held responsible for the crime, whether as a principal offender or an accomplice therefore the ones who caused the initial damage to the vehicle can also be charged with the same charges as the driver. so yes the liverpool fans can be charged | |||
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"So that clears up the heart attack claims from further up the thread. Driving under the influence of drugs. 53 year old note said to be from Derby. A different man? Good to hear that everyone is recovering well. That’s really positive. " Just to clarify, West Derby, it's a district within Liverpool. | |||
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"So that clears up the heart attack claims from further up the thread. Driving under the influence of drugs. 53 year old note said to be from Derby. A different man? Good to hear that everyone is recovering well. That’s really positive. Just to clarify, West Derby, it's a district within Liverpool. " Oh I must have missed the west when reading!  but thank you for the correction | |||
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"Your wrong about joint enterprise in this particular case, a cat can't be implicated if it runs out in front of a speeding driver who isn't wearing a seat belt who then dies after he swerves to avoid it.. It's an additional factor but the fault is with the driver.. The individuals who hit his car had no knowledge or could the have anticipated the driver would then react by driving into a crowd and mowing people down, they are a factor no doubt his defence will use but it's only mitigating at the very least.. Your attempts to excuse the drivers actions are inaccurate and in poor taste. ive not excussed the driver as they will be scapegoated anyway cps will make sure of this however as the ones whos action caused the incident can be also be held accountable by a very dangerous law this is the law the law addresses this through concepts like accomplice liability, joint enterprise, and the rules surrounding double jeopardy. The prosecution must establish that the accused had the necessary mens rea (intent) and actus reus (actions) to be held responsible for the crime, whether as a principal offender or an accomplice therefore the ones who caused the initial damage to the vehicle can also be charged with the same charges as the driver. so yes the liverpool fans can be charged" No they can't.. They are strangers not accomplises, look up what accomplice means before spouting it.. Double jeopardy is irrelevant to what your claiming.. The others in any case of joint enterprise must have known or should have known what the person was going to do, ie in a knife crime the friends knew so and so often carried a knife etc .. They didn't and could not have known that their actions would cause his reaction.. Ripping a wiper off is criminal damage as is smashing a window or kicking the car.. None of it over rides the fundamental fact that he was under the influence of drugs and that he entered the area using the ambulance as a means of doing so.. He is solely responsible for the injuries caused.. With that I'm done with you.. | |||
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"Your wrong about joint enterprise in this particular case, a cat can't be implicated if it runs out in front of a speeding driver who isn't wearing a seat belt who then dies after he swerves to avoid it.. It's an additional factor but the fault is with the driver.. The individuals who hit his car had no knowledge or could the have anticipated the driver would then react by driving into a crowd and mowing people down, they are a factor no doubt his defence will use but it's only mitigating at the very least.. Your attempts to excuse the drivers actions are inaccurate and in poor taste. ive not excussed the driver as they will be scapegoated anyway cps will make sure of this however as the ones whos action caused the incident can be also be held accountable by a very dangerous law this is the law the law addresses this through concepts like accomplice liability, joint enterprise, and the rules surrounding double jeopardy. The prosecution must establish that the accused had the necessary mens rea (intent) and actus reus (actions) to be held responsible for the crime, whether as a principal offender or an accomplice therefore the ones who caused the initial damage to the vehicle can also be charged with the same charges as the driver. so yes the liverpool fans can be charged" That's incredibly shaky logic and no way on earth the CPS would even attempt to proceed with this. Damage to ones vehicle does not necessitate mowing down scores of innocent bystanders especially given the heavy police presence. As others have said, it's in poor taste to even speculate on this. __ Such sad news and it's a miracle nobody died. Wishing all the victims a swift recovery | |||
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"So that clears up the heart attack claims from further up the thread. Driving under the influence of drugs. 53 year old note said to be from Derby. A different man? Good to hear that everyone is recovering well. That’s really positive. Just to clarify, West Derby, it's a district within Liverpool. Oh I must have missed the west when reading! but thank you for the correction "No problem!  | |||
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"Your wrong about joint enterprise in this particular case, a cat can't be implicated if it runs out in front of a speeding driver who isn't wearing a seat belt who then dies after he swerves to avoid it.. It's an additional factor but the fault is with the driver.. The individuals who hit his car had no knowledge or could the have anticipated the driver would then react by driving into a crowd and mowing people down, they are a factor no doubt his defence will use but it's only mitigating at the very least.. Your attempts to excuse the drivers actions are inaccurate and in poor taste. ive not excussed the driver as they will be scapegoated anyway cps will make sure of this however as the ones whos action caused the incident can be also be held accountable by a very dangerous law this is the law the law addresses this through concepts like accomplice liability, joint enterprise, and the rules surrounding double jeopardy. The prosecution must establish that the accused had the necessary mens rea (intent) and actus reus (actions) to be held responsible for the crime, whether as a principal offender or an accomplice therefore the ones who caused the initial damage to the vehicle can also be charged with the same charges as the driver. so yes the liverpool fans can be charged" You are interpreting joint enterprise entirely incorrectly. Joint enterprise is regarding a someone being part of a group with a common purpose to commit a crime and foresaw the possibility of that crime being committed. I’m almost certain it does not apply in the case of the fans surrounding the drug driver’s car. | |||
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"From the vids I have seen he entered a closed road with thousands of people walking along it. He got told it was a closed road by people in the street and ignored them anyway, so people rightly tried to stop him. Most people would have just backed up and tried to leave the street or even just stopped. He decided against doing that and put his foot down and mowed down tens of people instead .There is no excuses whichever way people want to excuse that. I also don't understand if he is a local that he wouldn't know that wasn't a road to try and get down even if it was open as the road is off the Strand which the parade was on with thousands of people on it and shut at the time. One of the vids I saw seemed to also show cars in front of him though? Which would suggest the road had been reopened prematurely by the inept authorities… there was no other cars in front of him You’ve not seen the video. There are clearly vehicles in front of him on Dale Street where he reversed & tgey start kicking his car." It was in Water street | |||
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"The misinformation going on out there is horrible.. that’s why Merseyside police are being really quick with getting out information What a joke. Since Stockport there has been many incidents, terrorist or not involving our "new friends" but the government/police stance of not identifying them went unchanged. But they get a chance with a white man it is straight out there.Two tier Starmer,two tier Britain " At least get the name of the place right or it looks like you have a different agenda than worry about the people in that incident | |||
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"The police are being praised for the way they got the driver’s description out quickly. He is 53 and white. Ok, but if he was not middle aged and not white, would they have released the details in the same way. I doubt it, but they might have given themselves no choice." Remember those riots in Southport? Sparked by misinformation online about the perpetrator being an immigrant? The ones that might have turned out differently if it had been publicised he was a 17 year old born in Cardiff.......? 🤦♂️🤦♂️ This article shows well how people react to, and rapidly spread false information really well. Worth a read. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c99v90813j5o | |||
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"The police are being praised for the way they got the driver’s description out quickly. He is 53 and white. Ok, but if he was not middle aged and not white, would they have released the details in the same way. I doubt it, but they might have given themselves no choice. Remember those riots in Southport? Sparked by misinformation online about the perpetrator being an immigrant? The ones that might have turned out differently if it had been publicised he was a 17 year old born in Cardiff.......? 🤦♂️🤦♂️ This article shows well how people react to, and rapidly spread false information really well. Worth a read. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c99v90813j5o" well said | |||
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"The police are being praised for the way they got the driver’s description out quickly. He is 53 and white. Ok, but if he was not middle aged and not white, would they have released the details in the same way. I doubt it, but they might have given themselves no choice." I think they did it stop any idiots who may riot if they are not privy to every little bit of information so will use it as an excuse to loot Greggs for sausage rolls | |||
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"The police are being praised for the way they got the driver’s description out quickly. He is 53 and white. Ok, but if he was not middle aged and not white, would they have released the details in the same way. I doubt it, but they might have given themselves no choice. Remember those riots in Southport? Sparked by misinformation online about the perpetrator being an immigrant? The ones that might have turned out differently if it had been publicised he was a 17 year old born in Cardiff.......? 🤦♂️🤦♂️ This article shows well how people react to, and rapidly spread false information really well. Worth a read. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c99v90813j5o" They are saying that misinformation had been spread before the riots that happened after the murders in Southport. Had the police said that he was a British born 17 year old male, born in Cardiff to Rwandan parents, do you think the racist stuff would not have gone out? What I was trying to say, is that next time a Muslim, foreign or British born, attacks and murders people, surely the police will have to release the details? If not then the two tier justice system accusations will look like the truth. If they do release those details, the riots will be just as big, if not bigger than last time. They have probably put themselves between a rock and a hard place. (So to speak). | |||
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"They are saying that misinformation had been spread before the riots that happened after the murders in Southport. Had the police said that he was a British born 17 year old male, born in Cardiff to Rwandan parents, do you think the racist stuff would not have gone out? What I was trying to say, is that next time a Muslim, foreign or British born, attacks and murders people, surely the police will have to release the details? If not then the two tier justice system accusations will look like the truth. If they do release those details, the riots will be just as big, if not bigger than last time. They have probably put themselves between a rock and a hard place. (So to speak)." And what do you think the reaction will be if those details are released straight away if an immigrant commits something like this? Will the far right imbeciles say "well at least they did the same with that white guy so that's ok"? | |||
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"The police are being praised for the way they got the driver’s description out quickly. He is 53 and white. Ok, but if he was not middle aged and not white, would they have released the details in the same way. I doubt it, but they might have given themselves no choice. Remember those riots in Southport? Sparked by misinformation online about the perpetrator being an immigrant? The ones that might have turned out differently if it had been publicised he was a 17 year old born in Cardiff.......? 🤦♂️🤦♂️ This article shows well how people react to, and rapidly spread false information really well. Worth a read. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c99v90813j5o They are saying that misinformation had been spread before the riots that happened after the murders in Southport. Had the police said that he was a British born 17 year old male, born in Cardiff to Rwandan parents, do you think the racist stuff would not have gone out? What I was trying to say, is that next time a Muslim, foreign or British born, attacks and murders people, surely the police will have to release the details? If not then the two tier justice system accusations will look like the truth. If they do release those details, the riots will be just as big, if not bigger than last time. They have probably put themselves between a rock and a hard place. (So to speak)." If people didn't spread misinformation and waited for police to release confirmed details, instead of jumping to conclusions and rioting....then maybe there'd be no need for what is perceived as 'two tier' policing. 🤦♂️🤷♂️ What benefits did the riots offer? What positive outcomes came from them? Did anything change? Why are there never any riots when white Christians commit crimes or murder people? | |||
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"The police are being praised for the way they got the driver’s description out quickly. He is 53 and white. Ok, but if he was not middle aged and not white, would they have released the details in the same way. I doubt it, but they might have given themselves no choice. Remember those riots in Southport? Sparked by misinformation online about the perpetrator being an immigrant? The ones that might have turned out differently if it had been publicised he was a 17 year old born in Cardiff.......? 🤦♂️🤦♂️ This article shows well how people react to, and rapidly spread false information really well. Worth a read. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c99v90813j5o They are saying that misinformation had been spread before the riots that happened after the murders in Southport. Had the police said that he was a British born 17 year old male, born in Cardiff to Rwandan parents, do you think the racist stuff would not have gone out? What I was trying to say, is that next time a Muslim, foreign or British born, attacks and murders people, surely the police will have to release the details? If not then the two tier justice system accusations will look like the truth. If they do release those details, the riots will be just as big, if not bigger than last time. They have probably put themselves between a rock and a hard place. (So to speak). If people didn't spread misinformation and waited for police to release confirmed details, instead of jumping to conclusions and rioting....then maybe there'd be no need for what is perceived as 'two tier' policing. 🤦♂️🤷♂️ What benefits did the riots offer? What positive outcomes came from them? Did anything change? Why are there never any riots when white Christians commit crimes or murder people? " There we have it though, it’s never about nationality. It always comes down to race and more importantly religion. The 07/07/05 terrorist attacks were perpetrated by four British born terrorists. I can’t remember if there was any riots after that, perhaps everyone was shell shocked after what happened that morning. | |||
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"The police are being praised for the way they got the driver’s description out quickly. He is 53 and white. Ok, but if he was not middle aged and not white, would they have released the details in the same way. I doubt it, but they might have given themselves no choice. Remember those riots in Southport? Sparked by misinformation online about the perpetrator being an immigrant? The ones that might have turned out differently if it had been publicised he was a 17 year old born in Cardiff.......? 🤦♂️🤦♂️ This article shows well how people react to, and rapidly spread false information really well. Worth a read. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c99v90813j5o They are saying that misinformation had been spread before the riots that happened after the murders in Southport. Had the police said that he was a British born 17 year old male, born in Cardiff to Rwandan parents, do you think the racist stuff would not have gone out? What I was trying to say, is that next time a Muslim, foreign or British born, attacks and murders people, surely the police will have to release the details? If not then the two tier justice system accusations will look like the truth. If they do release those details, the riots will be just as big, if not bigger than last time. They have probably put themselves between a rock and a hard place. (So to speak). If people didn't spread misinformation and waited for police to release confirmed details, instead of jumping to conclusions and rioting....then maybe there'd be no need for what is perceived as 'two tier' policing. 🤦♂️🤷♂️ What benefits did the riots offer? What positive outcomes came from them? Did anything change? Why are there never any riots when white Christians commit crimes or murder people? There we have it though, it’s never about nationality. It always comes down to race and more importantly religion. The 07/07/05 terrorist attacks were perpetrated by four British born terrorists. I can’t remember if there was any riots after that, perhaps everyone was shell shocked after what happened that morning." So again. Why are there never any riots when the crimes are committed by white Christians? | |||
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"The police are being praised for the way they got the driver’s description out quickly. He is 53 and white. Ok, but if he was not middle aged and not white, would they have released the details in the same way. I doubt it, but they might have given themselves no choice. Remember those riots in Southport? Sparked by misinformation online about the perpetrator being an immigrant? The ones that might have turned out differently if it had been publicised he was a 17 year old born in Cardiff.......? 🤦♂️🤦♂️ This article shows well how people react to, and rapidly spread false information really well. Worth a read. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c99v90813j5o They are saying that misinformation had been spread before the riots that happened after the murders in Southport. Had the police said that he was a British born 17 year old male, born in Cardiff to Rwandan parents, do you think the racist stuff would not have gone out? What I was trying to say, is that next time a Muslim, foreign or British born, attacks and murders people, surely the police will have to release the details? If not then the two tier justice system accusations will look like the truth. If they do release those details, the riots will be just as big, if not bigger than last time. They have probably put themselves between a rock and a hard place. (So to speak). If people didn't spread misinformation and waited for police to release confirmed details, instead of jumping to conclusions and rioting....then maybe there'd be no need for what is perceived as 'two tier' policing. 🤦♂️🤷♂️ What benefits did the riots offer? What positive outcomes came from them? Did anything change? Why are there never any riots when white Christians commit crimes or murder people? There we have it though, it’s never about nationality. It always comes down to race and more importantly religion. The 07/07/05 terrorist attacks were perpetrated by four British born terrorists. I can’t remember if there was any riots after that, perhaps everyone was shell shocked after what happened that morning." Or maybe there wasn't so much shit stirring and false information be spread on the internet back then, riling people up like there is now. | |||
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"The police are being praised for the way they got the driver’s description out quickly. He is 53 and white. Ok, but if he was not middle aged and not white, would they have released the details in the same way. I doubt it, but they might have given themselves no choice. Remember those riots in Southport? Sparked by misinformation online about the perpetrator being an immigrant? The ones that might have turned out differently if it had been publicised he was a 17 year old born in Cardiff.......? 🤦♂️🤦♂️ This article shows well how people react to, and rapidly spread false information really well. Worth a read. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c99v90813j5o They are saying that misinformation had been spread before the riots that happened after the murders in Southport. Had the police said that he was a British born 17 year old male, born in Cardiff to Rwandan parents, do you think the racist stuff would not have gone out? What I was trying to say, is that next time a Muslim, foreign or British born, attacks and murders people, surely the police will have to release the details? If not then the two tier justice system accusations will look like the truth. If they do release those details, the riots will be just as big, if not bigger than last time. They have probably put themselves between a rock and a hard place. (So to speak). If people didn't spread misinformation and waited for police to release confirmed details, instead of jumping to conclusions and rioting....then maybe there'd be no need for what is perceived as 'two tier' policing. 🤦♂️🤷♂️ What benefits did the riots offer? What positive outcomes came from them? Did anything change? Why are there never any riots when white Christians commit crimes or murder people? There we have it though, it’s never about nationality. It always comes down to race and more importantly religion. The 07/07/05 terrorist attacks were perpetrated by four British born terrorists. I can’t remember if there was any riots after that, perhaps everyone was shell shocked after what happened that morning. So again. Why are there never any riots when the crimes are committed by white Christians? " 07/07 was probably the worst terrorist atrocity ever committed in this island. The four British born bombers were one black and three Asian Muslims. They were identified, had to be by cctv images, as they blew themselves to pieces. Still no rioting, as far as I can remember anyway. | |||
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"The police are being praised for the way they got the driver’s description out quickly. He is 53 and white. Ok, but if he was not middle aged and not white, would they have released the details in the same way. I doubt it, but they might have given themselves no choice. Remember those riots in Southport? Sparked by misinformation online about the perpetrator being an immigrant? The ones that might have turned out differently if it had been publicised he was a 17 year old born in Cardiff.......? 🤦♂️🤦♂️ This article shows well how people react to, and rapidly spread false information really well. Worth a read. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c99v90813j5o They are saying that misinformation had been spread before the riots that happened after the murders in Southport. Had the police said that he was a British born 17 year old male, born in Cardiff to Rwandan parents, do you think the racist stuff would not have gone out? What I was trying to say, is that next time a Muslim, foreign or British born, attacks and murders people, surely the police will have to release the details? If not then the two tier justice system accusations will look like the truth. If they do release those details, the riots will be just as big, if not bigger than last time. They have probably put themselves between a rock and a hard place. (So to speak). If people didn't spread misinformation and waited for police to release confirmed details, instead of jumping to conclusions and rioting....then maybe there'd be no need for what is perceived as 'two tier' policing. 🤦♂️🤷♂️ What benefits did the riots offer? What positive outcomes came from them? Did anything change? Why are there never any riots when white Christians commit crimes or murder people? There we have it though, it’s never about nationality. It always comes down to race and more importantly religion. The 07/07/05 terrorist attacks were perpetrated by four British born terrorists. I can’t remember if there was any riots after that, perhaps everyone was shell shocked after what happened that morning. So again. Why are there never any riots when the crimes are committed by white Christians? 07/07 was probably the worst terrorist atrocity ever committed in this island. The four British born bombers were one black and three Asian Muslims. They were identified, had to be by cctv images, as they blew themselves to pieces. Still no rioting, as far as I can remember anyway." The social landscape is very very different. | |||
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"The police are being praised for the way they got the driver’s description out quickly. He is 53 and white. Ok, but if he was not middle aged and not white, would they have released the details in the same way. I doubt it, but they might have given themselves no choice. Remember those riots in Southport? Sparked by misinformation online about the perpetrator being an immigrant? The ones that might have turned out differently if it had been publicised he was a 17 year old born in Cardiff.......? 🤦♂️🤦♂️ This article shows well how people react to, and rapidly spread false information really well. Worth a read. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c99v90813j5o They are saying that misinformation had been spread before the riots that happened after the murders in Southport. Had the police said that he was a British born 17 year old male, born in Cardiff to Rwandan parents, do you think the racist stuff would not have gone out? What I was trying to say, is that next time a Muslim, foreign or British born, attacks and murders people, surely the police will have to release the details? If not then the two tier justice system accusations will look like the truth. If they do release those details, the riots will be just as big, if not bigger than last time. They have probably put themselves between a rock and a hard place. (So to speak). If people didn't spread misinformation and waited for police to release confirmed details, instead of jumping to conclusions and rioting....then maybe there'd be no need for what is perceived as 'two tier' policing. 🤦♂️🤷♂️ What benefits did the riots offer? What positive outcomes came from them? Did anything change? Why are there never any riots when white Christians commit crimes or murder people? There we have it though, it’s never about nationality. It always comes down to race and more importantly religion. The 07/07/05 terrorist attacks were perpetrated by four British born terrorists. I can’t remember if there was any riots after that, perhaps everyone was shell shocked after what happened that morning. So again. Why are there never any riots when the crimes are committed by white Christians? 07/07 was probably the worst terrorist atrocity ever committed in this island. The four British born bombers were one black and three Asian Muslims. They were identified, had to be by cctv images, as they blew themselves to pieces. Still no rioting, as far as I can remember anyway." That doesn't answer my question......🤦♂️ Derrick Bird killed 12 people in Cumbria in 2010. No riots. Raoul Moat killed 2 in Northumbria in 2010. No riots. Jake Davison killed 5 in Plymouth in 2021. No riots. There weren't any riots after Harold Shipman was arrested and he's estimated to have killed 250 people. Same with Fred & Rose West. People seem less bothered about smashing up property when certain people are the culprits and mad keen to do so when they're others. | |||
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"The police are being praised for the way they got the driver’s description out quickly. He is 53 and white. Ok, but if he was not middle aged and not white, would they have released the details in the same way. I doubt it, but they might have given themselves no choice. Remember those riots in Southport? Sparked by misinformation online about the perpetrator being an immigrant? The ones that might have turned out differently if it had been publicised he was a 17 year old born in Cardiff.......? 🤦♂️🤦♂️ This article shows well how people react to, and rapidly spread false information really well. Worth a read. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c99v90813j5o They are saying that misinformation had been spread before the riots that happened after the murders in Southport. Had the police said that he was a British born 17 year old male, born in Cardiff to Rwandan parents, do you think the racist stuff would not have gone out? What I was trying to say, is that next time a Muslim, foreign or British born, attacks and murders people, surely the police will have to release the details? If not then the two tier justice system accusations will look like the truth. If they do release those details, the riots will be just as big, if not bigger than last time. They have probably put themselves between a rock and a hard place. (So to speak). If people didn't spread misinformation and waited for police to release confirmed details, instead of jumping to conclusions and rioting....then maybe there'd be no need for what is perceived as 'two tier' policing. 🤦♂️🤷♂️ What benefits did the riots offer? What positive outcomes came from them? Did anything change? Why are there never any riots when white Christians commit crimes or murder people? There we have it though, it’s never about nationality. It always comes down to race and more importantly religion. The 07/07/05 terrorist attacks were perpetrated by four British born terrorists. I can’t remember if there was any riots after that, perhaps everyone was shell shocked after what happened that morning. So again. Why are there never any riots when the crimes are committed by white Christians? 07/07 was probably the worst terrorist atrocity ever committed in this island. The four British born bombers were one black and three Asian Muslims. They were identified, had to be by cctv images, as they blew themselves to pieces. Still no rioting, as far as I can remember anyway. That doesn't answer my question......🤦♂️ Derrick Bird killed 12 people in Cumbria in 2010. No riots. Raoul Moat killed 2 in Northumbria in 2010. No riots. Jake Davison killed 5 in Plymouth in 2021. No riots. There weren't any riots after Harold Shipman was arrested and he's estimated to have killed 250 people. Same with Fred & Rose West. People seem less bothered about smashing up property when certain people are the culprits and mad keen to do so when they're others. " I have a feeling that what started out as a demo in Southport happened because the victims were children, and Southport isn’t a million miles from Manchester, where a lot of kids were killed after a concert. That is probably why the misinformation online made things escalated the way they did. | |||
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"The police are being praised for the way they got the driver’s description out quickly. He is 53 and white. Ok, but if he was not middle aged and not white, would they have released the details in the same way. I doubt it, but they might have given themselves no choice. Remember those riots in Southport? Sparked by misinformation online about the perpetrator being an immigrant? The ones that might have turned out differently if it had been publicised he was a 17 year old born in Cardiff.......? 🤦♂️🤦♂️ This article shows well how people react to, and rapidly spread false information really well. Worth a read. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c99v90813j5o They are saying that misinformation had been spread before the riots that happened after the murders in Southport. Had the police said that he was a British born 17 year old male, born in Cardiff to Rwandan parents, do you think the racist stuff would not have gone out? What I was trying to say, is that next time a Muslim, foreign or British born, attacks and murders people, surely the police will have to release the details? If not then the two tier justice system accusations will look like the truth. If they do release those details, the riots will be just as big, if not bigger than last time. They have probably put themselves between a rock and a hard place. (So to speak). If people didn't spread misinformation and waited for police to release confirmed details, instead of jumping to conclusions and rioting....then maybe there'd be no need for what is perceived as 'two tier' policing. 🤦♂️🤷♂️ What benefits did the riots offer? What positive outcomes came from them? Did anything change? Why are there never any riots when white Christians commit crimes or murder people? There we have it though, it’s never about nationality. It always comes down to race and more importantly religion. The 07/07/05 terrorist attacks were perpetrated by four British born terrorists. I can’t remember if there was any riots after that, perhaps everyone was shell shocked after what happened that morning. So again. Why are there never any riots when the crimes are committed by white Christians? 07/07 was probably the worst terrorist atrocity ever committed in this island. The four British born bombers were one black and three Asian Muslims. They were identified, had to be by cctv images, as they blew themselves to pieces. Still no rioting, as far as I can remember anyway. That doesn't answer my question......🤦♂️ Derrick Bird killed 12 people in Cumbria in 2010. No riots. Raoul Moat killed 2 in Northumbria in 2010. No riots. Jake Davison killed 5 in Plymouth in 2021. No riots. There weren't any riots after Harold Shipman was arrested and he's estimated to have killed 250 people. Same with Fred & Rose West. People seem less bothered about smashing up property when certain people are the culprits and mad keen to do so when they're others. I have a feeling that what started out as a demo in Southport happened because the victims were children, and Southport isn’t a million miles from Manchester, where a lot of kids were killed after a concert. That is probably why the misinformation online made things escalated the way they did." So essentially we're agreeing that if the offender is white there'll be no rioting and if they're not white, or rumoured to not be, it's going to happen? That's a pretty sad state of affairs really. | |||
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"The police are being praised for the way they got the driver’s description out quickly. He is 53 and white. Ok, but if he was not middle aged and not white, would they have released the details in the same way. I doubt it, but they might have given themselves no choice. Remember those riots in Southport? Sparked by misinformation online about the perpetrator being an immigrant? The ones that might have turned out differently if it had been publicised he was a 17 year old born in Cardiff.......? 🤦♂️🤦♂️ This article shows well how people react to, and rapidly spread false information really well. Worth a read. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c99v90813j5o They are saying that misinformation had been spread before the riots that happened after the murders in Southport. Had the police said that he was a British born 17 year old male, born in Cardiff to Rwandan parents, do you think the racist stuff would not have gone out? What I was trying to say, is that next time a Muslim, foreign or British born, attacks and murders people, surely the police will have to release the details? If not then the two tier justice system accusations will look like the truth. If they do release those details, the riots will be just as big, if not bigger than last time. They have probably put themselves between a rock and a hard place. (So to speak). If people didn't spread misinformation and waited for police to release confirmed details, instead of jumping to conclusions and rioting....then maybe there'd be no need for what is perceived as 'two tier' policing. 🤦♂️🤷♂️ What benefits did the riots offer? What positive outcomes came from them? Did anything change? Why are there never any riots when white Christians commit crimes or murder people? There we have it though, it’s never about nationality. It always comes down to race and more importantly religion. The 07/07/05 terrorist attacks were perpetrated by four British born terrorists. I can’t remember if there was any riots after that, perhaps everyone was shell shocked after what happened that morning. So again. Why are there never any riots when the crimes are committed by white Christians? 07/07 was probably the worst terrorist atrocity ever committed in this island. The four British born bombers were one black and three Asian Muslims. They were identified, had to be by cctv images, as they blew themselves to pieces. Still no rioting, as far as I can remember anyway. That doesn't answer my question......🤦♂️ Derrick Bird killed 12 people in Cumbria in 2010. No riots. Raoul Moat killed 2 in Northumbria in 2010. No riots. Jake Davison killed 5 in Plymouth in 2021. No riots. There weren't any riots after Harold Shipman was arrested and he's estimated to have killed 250 people. Same with Fred & Rose West. People seem less bothered about smashing up property when certain people are the culprits and mad keen to do so when they're others. I have a feeling that what started out as a demo in Southport happened because the victims were children, and Southport isn’t a million miles from Manchester, where a lot of kids were killed after a concert. That is probably why the misinformation online made things escalated the way they did." It wasn't a demo, it was orchestrated thuggery instigated and provoked using lies by online agitators with the sole intent of targeting the mosque.. You know that.. And anyone who goes back on here can see where you were coming from at that time.. | |||
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"The police are being praised for the way they got the driver’s description out quickly. He is 53 and white. Ok, but if he was not middle aged and not white, would they have released the details in the same way. I doubt it, but they might have given themselves no choice. Remember those riots in Southport? Sparked by misinformation online about the perpetrator being an immigrant? The ones that might have turned out differently if it had been publicised he was a 17 year old born in Cardiff.......? 🤦♂️🤦♂️ This article shows well how people react to, and rapidly spread false information really well. Worth a read. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c99v90813j5o They are saying that misinformation had been spread before the riots that happened after the murders in Southport. Had the police said that he was a British born 17 year old male, born in Cardiff to Rwandan parents, do you think the racist stuff would not have gone out? What I was trying to say, is that next time a Muslim, foreign or British born, attacks and murders people, surely the police will have to release the details? If not then the two tier justice system accusations will look like the truth. If they do release those details, the riots will be just as big, if not bigger than last time. They have probably put themselves between a rock and a hard place. (So to speak). If people didn't spread misinformation and waited for police to release confirmed details, instead of jumping to conclusions and rioting....then maybe there'd be no need for what is perceived as 'two tier' policing. 🤦♂️🤷♂️ What benefits did the riots offer? What positive outcomes came from them? Did anything change? Why are there never any riots when white Christians commit crimes or murder people? There we have it though, it’s never about nationality. It always comes down to race and more importantly religion. The 07/07/05 terrorist attacks were perpetrated by four British born terrorists. I can’t remember if there was any riots after that, perhaps everyone was shell shocked after what happened that morning. So again. Why are there never any riots when the crimes are committed by white Christians? 07/07 was probably the worst terrorist atrocity ever committed in this island. The four British born bombers were one black and three Asian Muslims. They were identified, had to be by cctv images, as they blew themselves to pieces. Still no rioting, as far as I can remember anyway. That doesn't answer my question......🤦♂️ Derrick Bird killed 12 people in Cumbria in 2010. No riots. Raoul Moat killed 2 in Northumbria in 2010. No riots. Jake Davison killed 5 in Plymouth in 2021. No riots. There weren't any riots after Harold Shipman was arrested and he's estimated to have killed 250 people. Same with Fred & Rose West. People seem less bothered about smashing up property when certain people are the culprits and mad keen to do so when they're others. I have a feeling that what started out as a demo in Southport happened because the victims were children, and Southport isn’t a million miles from Manchester, where a lot of kids were killed after a concert. That is probably why the misinformation online made things escalated the way they did. So essentially we're agreeing that if the offender is white there'll be no rioting and if they're not white, or rumoured to not be, it's going to happen? That's a pretty sad state of affairs really. " I think the Southport incident was the spark that ignited a tinderbox of angst about certain types of migration (there are many reasons for this angst not just the cop out of prejudice). This didn't exist at the time of the 7/7 incident. Plus the rise and reach of social media helped to spread misinformation and fan the flames- this wasn't the case in 2005, social media was far slower and limited back then. I think the actual riots were an irrational reaction to simmering tensions and a kick back by a section of society who felt ignored by government and politicians | |||
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"The police are being praised for the way they got the driver’s description out quickly. He is 53 and white. Ok, but if he was not middle aged and not white, would they have released the details in the same way. I doubt it, but they might have given themselves no choice. Remember those riots in Southport? Sparked by misinformation online about the perpetrator being an immigrant? The ones that might have turned out differently if it had been publicised he was a 17 year old born in Cardiff.......? 🤦♂️🤦♂️ This article shows well how people react to, and rapidly spread false information really well. Worth a read. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c99v90813j5o They are saying that misinformation had been spread before the riots that happened after the murders in Southport. Had the police said that he was a British born 17 year old male, born in Cardiff to Rwandan parents, do you think the racist stuff would not have gone out? What I was trying to say, is that next time a Muslim, foreign or British born, attacks and murders people, surely the police will have to release the details? If not then the two tier justice system accusations will look like the truth. If they do release those details, the riots will be just as big, if not bigger than last time. They have probably put themselves between a rock and a hard place. (So to speak). If people didn't spread misinformation and waited for police to release confirmed details, instead of jumping to conclusions and rioting....then maybe there'd be no need for what is perceived as 'two tier' policing. 🤦♂️🤷♂️ What benefits did the riots offer? What positive outcomes came from them? Did anything change? Why are there never any riots when white Christians commit crimes or murder people? There we have it though, it’s never about nationality. It always comes down to race and more importantly religion. The 07/07/05 terrorist attacks were perpetrated by four British born terrorists. I can’t remember if there was any riots after that, perhaps everyone was shell shocked after what happened that morning. So again. Why are there never any riots when the crimes are committed by white Christians? 07/07 was probably the worst terrorist atrocity ever committed in this island. The four British born bombers were one black and three Asian Muslims. They were identified, had to be by cctv images, as they blew themselves to pieces. Still no rioting, as far as I can remember anyway. That doesn't answer my question......🤦♂️ Derrick Bird killed 12 people in Cumbria in 2010. No riots. Raoul Moat killed 2 in Northumbria in 2010. No riots. Jake Davison killed 5 in Plymouth in 2021. No riots. There weren't any riots after Harold Shipman was arrested and he's estimated to have killed 250 people. Same with Fred & Rose West. People seem less bothered about smashing up property when certain people are the culprits and mad keen to do so when they're others. I have a feeling that what started out as a demo in Southport happened because the victims were children, and Southport isn’t a million miles from Manchester, where a lot of kids were killed after a concert. That is probably why the misinformation online made things escalated the way they did. So essentially we're agreeing that if the offender is white there'll be no rioting and if they're not white, or rumoured to not be, it's going to happen? That's a pretty sad state of affairs really. I think the Southport incident was the spark that ignited a tinderbox of angst about certain types of migration (there are many reasons for this angst not just the cop out of prejudice). This didn't exist at the time of the 7/7 incident. Plus the rise and reach of social media helped to spread misinformation and fan the flames- this wasn't the case in 2005, social media was far slower and limited back then. I think the actual riots were an irrational reaction to simmering tensions and a kick back by a section of society who felt ignored by government and politicians " Thugs basically | |||
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"From the vids I have seen he entered a closed road with thousands of people walking along it. He got told it was a closed road by people in the street and ignored them anyway, so people rightly tried to stop him. Most people would have just backed up and tried to leave the street or even just stopped. He decided against doing that and put his foot down and mowed down tens of people instead .There is no excuses whichever way people want to excuse that. I also don't understand if he is a local that he wouldn't know that wasn't a road to try and get down even if it was open as the road is off the Strand which the parade was on with thousands of people on it and shut at the time. One of the vids I saw seemed to also show cars in front of him though? Which would suggest the road had been reopened prematurely by the inept authorities… there was no other cars in front of him You’ve not seen the video. There are clearly vehicles in front of him on Dale Street where he reversed & tgey start kicking his car. i’ve seen many videos of the incident, from various angles, there’s no vehicles 🙄" The BBC News at 10 showed some videos and there is quite clearly at least one car in front of him at the moment the driver reversed into the pedestrian. It's a grey or black MPV type vehicle with a high-level brake light which comes on during the video, meaning that vehicle was probably in motion too. | |||
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"The police are being praised for the way they got the driver’s description out quickly. He is 53 and white. Ok, but if he was not middle aged and not white, would they have released the details in the same way. I doubt it, but they might have given themselves no choice. Remember those riots in Southport? Sparked by misinformation online about the perpetrator being an immigrant? The ones that might have turned out differently if it had been publicised he was a 17 year old born in Cardiff.......? 🤦♂️🤦♂️ This article shows well how people react to, and rapidly spread false information really well. Worth a read. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c99v90813j5o They are saying that misinformation had been spread before the riots that happened after the murders in Southport. Had the police said that he was a British born 17 year old male, born in Cardiff to Rwandan parents, do you think the racist stuff would not have gone out? What I was trying to say, is that next time a Muslim, foreign or British born, attacks and murders people, surely the police will have to release the details? If not then the two tier justice system accusations will look like the truth. If they do release those details, the riots will be just as big, if not bigger than last time. They have probably put themselves between a rock and a hard place. (So to speak). If people didn't spread misinformation and waited for police to release confirmed details, instead of jumping to conclusions and rioting....then maybe there'd be no need for what is perceived as 'two tier' policing. 🤦♂️🤷♂️ What benefits did the riots offer? What positive outcomes came from them? Did anything change? Why are there never any riots when white Christians commit crimes or murder people? There we have it though, it’s never about nationality. It always comes down to race and more importantly religion. The 07/07/05 terrorist attacks were perpetrated by four British born terrorists. I can’t remember if there was any riots after that, perhaps everyone was shell shocked after what happened that morning. So again. Why are there never any riots when the crimes are committed by white Christians? 07/07 was probably the worst terrorist atrocity ever committed in this island. The four British born bombers were one black and three Asian Muslims. They were identified, had to be by cctv images, as they blew themselves to pieces. Still no rioting, as far as I can remember anyway. That doesn't answer my question......🤦♂️ Derrick Bird killed 12 people in Cumbria in 2010. No riots. Raoul Moat killed 2 in Northumbria in 2010. No riots. Jake Davison killed 5 in Plymouth in 2021. No riots. There weren't any riots after Harold Shipman was arrested and he's estimated to have killed 250 people. Same with Fred & Rose West. People seem less bothered about smashing up property when certain people are the culprits and mad keen to do so when they're others. I have a feeling that what started out as a demo in Southport happened because the victims were children, and Southport isn’t a million miles from Manchester, where a lot of kids were killed after a concert. That is probably why the misinformation online made things escalated the way they did. So essentially we're agreeing that if the offender is white there'll be no rioting and if they're not white, or rumoured to not be, it's going to happen? That's a pretty sad state of affairs really. I think the Southport incident was the spark that ignited a tinderbox of angst about certain types of migration (there are many reasons for this angst not just the cop out of prejudice). This didn't exist at the time of the 7/7 incident. Plus the rise and reach of social media helped to spread misinformation and fan the flames- this wasn't the case in 2005, social media was far slower and limited back then. I think the actual riots were an irrational reaction to simmering tensions and a kick back by a section of society who felt ignored by government and politicians " Nothing to do with a narrative pushed by Stephen Yaxley Lennon and his White Supremacy shit then? And I wish people would understand that radicalisation can happen to white people too! The riots proved that. | |||
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"From the vids I have seen he entered a closed road with thousands of people walking along it. He got told it was a closed road by people in the street and ignored them anyway, so people rightly tried to stop him. Most people would have just backed up and tried to leave the street or even just stopped. He decided against doing that and put his foot down and mowed down tens of people instead .There is no excuses whichever way people want to excuse that. I also don't understand if he is a local that he wouldn't know that wasn't a road to try and get down even if it was open as the road is off the Strand which the parade was on with thousands of people on it and shut at the time. One of the vids I saw seemed to also show cars in front of him though? Which would suggest the road had been reopened prematurely by the inept authorities… there was no other cars in front of him You’ve not seen the video. There are clearly vehicles in front of him on Dale Street where he reversed & tgey start kicking his car. i’ve seen many videos of the incident, from various angles, there’s no vehicles 🙄 The BBC News at 10 showed some videos and there is quite clearly at least one car in front of him at the moment the driver reversed into the pedestrian. It's a grey or black MPV type vehicle with a high-level brake light which comes on during the video, meaning that vehicle was probably in motion too." In this video, at 41 seconds, you can see the offender's car reversing into the pedestrian, but if you look to the top left of the frame, you can see another car and it's brake lights come on just a second before it goes out of shot. | |||
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"From the vids I have seen he entered a closed road with thousands of people walking along it. He got told it was a closed road by people in the street and ignored them anyway, so people rightly tried to stop him. Most people would have just backed up and tried to leave the street or even just stopped. He decided against doing that and put his foot down and mowed down tens of people instead .There is no excuses whichever way people want to excuse that. I also don't understand if he is a local that he wouldn't know that wasn't a road to try and get down even if it was open as the road is off the Strand which the parade was on with thousands of people on it and shut at the time. One of the vids I saw seemed to also show cars in front of him though? Which would suggest the road had been reopened prematurely by the inept authorities… there was no other cars in front of him You’ve not seen the video. There are clearly vehicles in front of him on Dale Street where he reversed & tgey start kicking his car. i’ve seen many videos of the incident, from various angles, there’s no vehicles 🙄 The BBC News at 10 showed some videos and there is quite clearly at least one car in front of him at the moment the driver reversed into the pedestrian. It's a grey or black MPV type vehicle with a high-level brake light which comes on during the video, meaning that vehicle was probably in motion too. In this video, at 41 seconds, you can see the offender's car reversing into the pedestrian, but if you look to the top left of the frame, you can see another car and it's brake lights come on just a second before it goes out of shot." Forgot the link https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/c9dq6jj0l9do | |||
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" i’ve seen many videos of the incident, from various angles, there’s no vehicles 🙄 The BBC News at 10 showed some videos and there is quite clearly at least one car in front of him at the moment the driver reversed into the pedestrian. It's a grey or black MPV type vehicle with a high-level brake light which comes on during the video, meaning that vehicle was probably in motion too. In this video, at 41 seconds, you can see the offender's car reversing into the pedestrian, but if you look to the top left of the frame, you can see another car and it's brake lights come on just a second before it goes out of shot." That looks to have been in Dale street which was open to traffic for some reason, it runs onto Water street which was closed. | |||
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