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My current boss has no idea about people development or meaningful work and I'm only partially fulfilled so I'm planning my retirement 2.5 years and counting | |||
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"I've been drifting without a proper manager or direct reports for a couple of years now. · I bring it up with my old manager now and again, and managed to negotiate a significant pay rise for this year. But I haven't had an official appraisal in a long long time 💜" • If you can negotiate a pay rise without an appraisal then that's not necessarily a bad thing!  | |||
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"Just had mine, it went relatively well. Had to have an equity rise for the second year though as part of my pay rise, which indicates I was in the lower end of the pay grade
My current boss has no idea about people development or meaningful work and I'm only partially fulfilled so I'm planning my retirement 2.5 years and counting "Our managers must have gone on the same management training courses. Mine has no Idea about working to people's strengths and helping improve the weak areas. And he micromanages the team.  | |||
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"Just had mine, it went relatively well. Had to have an equity rise for the second year though as part of my pay rise, which indicates I was in the lower end of the pay grade
My current boss has no idea about people development or meaningful work and I'm only partially fulfilled so I'm planning my retirement 2.5 years and counting "· Will the pay rise be sufficient for the next group Åfternoon Teå, Míddèrs? 😘 | |||
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"So, gentlefolk of the fora, have you had your EOY review and appraisal? Is this something that your employer does, and if so, how did it go? Do you look forward to your appraisal or is it an 'occupational formality' that you just want to get out of the way?" Yep! All done and all good. The role I have was created for me, so have been working without a proper job description so now have to define my role and person specification and create a job description…… apparently I cannot just write “I keep my head down and just crack on doing what I do”  | |||
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"We have ours in September/October. And only halfheartedly. I'm now at the top end of my pay scale though so will need to look elsewhere if I'm ever to get another significant salary increase "· I'm in a similar situation. A departmental merger rendered my grade as one of the highest, along with my team/colleagues, therefore leaving no room for progression or increase in salary banding. | |||
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"I've been drifting without a proper manager or direct reports for a couple of years now. I bring it up with my old manager now and again, and managed to negotiate a significant pay rise for this year. But I haven't had an official appraisal in a long long time 💜" I love it that women are stepping up and asking for what they are worth. My daughter just got a 45% pay rise. I'm so proud of her as I'm sure is obvious. I went through possible questions with her and made sure she wasn't saying I guess but to sound sure. | |||
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"I get on really well with my manager so we go for a coffee, chat about football, then he agrees I'm a fine fellow and ups my pay. "• We all need managers like this! 🌿 | |||
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"Just had mine, it went relatively well. Had to have an equity rise for the second year though as part of my pay rise, which indicates I was in the lower end of the pay grade
My current boss has no idea about people development or meaningful work and I'm only partially fulfilled so I'm planning my retirement 2.5 years and counting
Our managers must have gone on the same management training courses. Mine has no Idea about working to people's strengths and helping improve the weak areas. And he micromanages the team. "They took over one of my reports and Everytime I check in with my them, they've had no stretch ops, or projects that get them to the next stage. It's really frustrating. I used to manage multiple people - my passion is people development. I loved it - had a fantastic boss too. It sucks when people are in roles that they are not equipped/suitable for | |||
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"Just had mine, it went relatively well. Had to have an equity rise for the second year though as part of my pay rise, which indicates I was in the lower end of the pay grade
My current boss has no idea about people development or meaningful work and I'm only partially fulfilled so I'm planning my retirement 2.5 years and counting
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Will the pay rise be sufficient for the next group Åfternoon Teå, Míddèrs? 😘"It was 7%  | |||
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"I haven’t ben with my current job long enough. If I am - there will be an appraisals. They’re very thorough. I have my 8 week probation meeting tomorrow though "Oh crikey, I'm sure you'll smash it xx | |||
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"I haven’t ben with my current job long enough. If I am - there will be an appraisals. They’re very thorough. I have my 8 week probation meeting tomorrow though "Ooh we do need to catch up about this Misty. | |||
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"One place I worked, end of year appraisals were in late November. We had to do self appraisal first, covering different aspects of the job. I always scored myself top marks in each category knowing it didn't matter because management had decided what they were going to give in October when budgets were being decided " Oh, and it still took 4 months for the pay awards to be given. | |||
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"I haven’t ben with my current job long enough. If I am - there will be an appraisals. They’re very thorough. I have my 8 week probation meeting tomorrow though
Ooh we do need to catch up about this Misty. "You know where to find me | |||
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That said I do have a good relationship with my boss, she is great otherwise lol | |||
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"I thought this was going to be a humorous thread giving Lumon Industries-style performance reviews to regular forum posters. Dressing them down for using too many big words, or applying paperclips incorrectly. I am disappointed to see that it’s not. I will be noting as much in Nero’s next performance review." · I can only apologise. 🩶 | |||
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"Means fuck all to me for any cunt to tell me how I can improve. I'll always continue to do what I think is right and so far I've done so with relative success career wise (without trying to sound like blowing my own trumpet)😅 Unless it's a door swings both ways, which I find really easy to spot when it isn't, I really don't take a blind bit of notice 🤷♂️" That just about sums up my experience of appraisals. Sitting opposite someone less qualified than me with the people skills of an angry wildebeest while she rambled on in company speak and ignored every concern and suggestion I made was so dispiriting. | |||
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"A fair few comments on here about how their company doesn’t really help with personal development. Companies don’t care. It’s your career, not theirs, and your personal development is of zero interest to a company unless it helps them. If _you_ want to develop then _you_ need to make it happen. Don’t wait on someone else to do something they don’t care about." Just about sums it up. | |||
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"Had my end of year. Have been ‘acting up’ for the last 6 months. Not in that way. Appreciated by upper management and rewarded with increase to next pay grade. Given car allowance as well. Due to load, rewarded with a support officer to lighten my load. Not in that way.. "Your line of work very different to mine | |||
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"Means fuck all to me for any cunt to tell me how I can improve. I'll always continue to do what I think is right and so far I've done so with relative success career wise (without trying to sound like blowing my own trumpet)😅 Unless it's a door swings both ways, which I find really easy to spot when it isn't, I really don't take a blind bit of notice 🤷♂️ That just about sums up my experience of appraisals. Sitting opposite someone less qualified than me with the people skills of an angry wildebeest while she rambled on in company speak and ignored every concern and suggestion I made was so dispiriting. " I will add that I didn't mean to make it sound quite so contemptuous as I did😅 But like you say, I've very rarely heard anyone say that an appraisal has benefit them or their employer in any significance. I mean I too would also find someone using corporate bs quite abrasive to me in an individual setting | |||
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"A fair few comments on here about how their company doesn’t really help with personal development. Companies don’t care. It’s your career, not theirs, and your personal development is of zero interest to a company unless it helps them. If _you_ want to develop then _you_ need to make it happen. Don’t wait on someone else to do something they don’t care about." Not everyone does want to climb the proverbial ladder, not suggesting you said that mind. Not everyone is capable to "go get em", many need a push, which isn't always useful or effective when it's communicated from a company. But why the necessity from organisations to treat everyone like children? I have a good idea why. | |||
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"Means fuck all to me for any cunt to tell me how I can improve. I'll always continue to do what I think is right and so far I've done so with relative success career wise (without trying to sound like blowing my own trumpet)😅 Unless it's a door swings both ways, which I find really easy to spot when it isn't, I really don't take a blind bit of notice 🤷♂️ That just about sums up my experience of appraisals. Sitting opposite someone less qualified than me with the people skills of an angry wildebeest while she rambled on in company speak and ignored every concern and suggestion I made was so dispiriting. I will add that I didn't mean to make it sound quite so contemptuous as I did😅 But like you say, I've very rarely heard anyone say that an appraisal has benefit them or their employer in any significance. I mean I too would also find someone using corporate bs quite abrasive to me in an individual setting "For me you weren't quite contemptuous enough! We used to be given little 'motivational' slogans. We used to listen to them then go back to our desks and laugh. It's been nearly ten years and ex colleagues and I still use them ironically. | |||
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"Means fuck all to me for any cunt to tell me how I can improve. I'll always continue to do what I think is right and so far I've done so with relative success career wise (without trying to sound like blowing my own trumpet)😅 Unless it's a door swings both ways, which I find really easy to spot when it isn't, I really don't take a blind bit of notice 🤷♂️ That just about sums up my experience of appraisals. Sitting opposite someone less qualified than me with the people skills of an angry wildebeest while she rambled on in company speak and ignored every concern and suggestion I made was so dispiriting. I will add that I didn't mean to make it sound quite so contemptuous as I did😅 But like you say, I've very rarely heard anyone say that an appraisal has benefit them or their employer in any significance. I mean I too would also find someone using corporate bs quite abrasive to me in an individual setting
For me you weren't quite contemptuous enough!
We used to be given little 'motivational' slogans.
We used to listen to them then go back to our desks and laugh. It's been nearly ten years and ex colleagues and I still use them ironically. "Did they have the slogans on plaques in the elevator? | |||
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"Means fuck all to me for any cunt to tell me how I can improve. I'll always continue to do what I think is right and so far I've done so with relative success career wise (without trying to sound like blowing my own trumpet)😅 Unless it's a door swings both ways, which I find really easy to spot when it isn't, I really don't take a blind bit of notice 🤷♂️ That just about sums up my experience of appraisals. Sitting opposite someone less qualified than me with the people skills of an angry wildebeest while she rambled on in company speak and ignored every concern and suggestion I made was so dispiriting. I will add that I didn't mean to make it sound quite so contemptuous as I did😅 But like you say, I've very rarely heard anyone say that an appraisal has benefit them or their employer in any significance. I mean I too would also find someone using corporate bs quite abrasive to me in an individual setting
For me you weren't quite contemptuous enough!
We used to be given little 'motivational' slogans.
We used to listen to them then go back to our desks and laugh. It's been nearly ten years and ex colleagues and I still use them ironically.
Did they have the slogans on plaques in the elevator?"That never happened while I was there I think it would have finished me off even sooner | |||
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" Did they have the slogans on plaques in the elevator?" Are you a yank? | |||
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" We used to be given little 'motivational' slogans. We used to listen to them then go back to our desks and laugh. It's been nearly ten years and ex colleagues and I still use them ironically. " Reminds me of the biannual company briefings and team briefings I used to get at a company I worked a few years ago. The presenter being whichever ceo/big wigs always saying the exact opposite of what ever any of us plebs were thinking, with surgical precision as well! It's that what made it hilarious, and these 'phrases' or soundbites used for years down the line of 99% of the workforce in similar ironic tone, especially the particularly memorable ones😂 | |||
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. In my line of work, if you don’t cut it daily, your pretty much gone ... | |||
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"Means fuck all to me for any cunt to tell me how I can improve. I'll always continue to do what I think is right and so far I've done so with relative success career wise (without trying to sound like blowing my own trumpet)😅 Unless it's a door swings both ways, which I find really easy to spot when it isn't, I really don't take a blind bit of notice 🤷♂️ That just about sums up my experience of appraisals. Sitting opposite someone less qualified than me with the people skills of an angry wildebeest while she rambled on in company speak and ignored every concern and suggestion I made was so dispiriting. I will add that I didn't mean to make it sound quite so contemptuous as I did😅 But like you say, I've very rarely heard anyone say that an appraisal has benefit them or their employer in any significance. I mean I too would also find someone using corporate bs quite abrasive to me in an individual setting
For me you weren't quite contemptuous enough!
We used to be given little 'motivational' slogans.
We used to listen to them then go back to our desks and laugh. It's been nearly ten years and ex colleagues and I still use them ironically.
Did they have the slogans on plaques in the elevator?
That never happened while I was there I think it would have finished me off even sooner "Someone took to satirically defacing them, they ended up only putting them in places that could be surveilled. It was perceived as a moral victory - I feel. The culprit was never identified. | |||
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"Means fuck all to me for any cunt to tell me how I can improve. I'll always continue to do what I think is right and so far I've done so with relative success career wise (without trying to sound like blowing my own trumpet)😅 Unless it's a door swings both ways, which I find really easy to spot when it isn't, I really don't take a blind bit of notice 🤷♂️ That just about sums up my experience of appraisals. Sitting opposite someone less qualified than me with the people skills of an angry wildebeest while she rambled on in company speak and ignored every concern and suggestion I made was so dispiriting. I will add that I didn't mean to make it sound quite so contemptuous as I did😅 But like you say, I've very rarely heard anyone say that an appraisal has benefit them or their employer in any significance. I mean I too would also find someone using corporate bs quite abrasive to me in an individual setting
For me you weren't quite contemptuous enough!
We used to be given little 'motivational' slogans.
We used to listen to them then go back to our desks and laugh. It's been nearly ten years and ex colleagues and I still use them ironically.
Did they have the slogans on plaques in the elevator?
That never happened while I was there I think it would have finished me off even sooner
Someone took to satirically defacing them, they ended up only putting them in places that could be surveilled.
It was perceived as a moral victory - I feel. The culprit was never identified."Do they ever work? Has anyone been motivated by them? | |||
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"Means fuck all to me for any cunt to tell me how I can improve. I'll always continue to do what I think is right and so far I've done so with relative success career wise (without trying to sound like blowing my own trumpet)😅 Unless it's a door swings both ways, which I find really easy to spot when it isn't, I really don't take a blind bit of notice 🤷♂️ That just about sums up my experience of appraisals. Sitting opposite someone less qualified than me with the people skills of an angry wildebeest while she rambled on in company speak and ignored every concern and suggestion I made was so dispiriting. I will add that I didn't mean to make it sound quite so contemptuous as I did😅 But like you say, I've very rarely heard anyone say that an appraisal has benefit them or their employer in any significance. I mean I too would also find someone using corporate bs quite abrasive to me in an individual setting
For me you weren't quite contemptuous enough!
We used to be given little 'motivational' slogans.
We used to listen to them then go back to our desks and laugh. It's been nearly ten years and ex colleagues and I still use them ironically.
Did they have the slogans on plaques in the elevator?
That never happened while I was there I think it would have finished me off even sooner
Someone took to satirically defacing them, they ended up only putting them in places that could be surveilled.
It was perceived as a moral victory - I feel. The culprit was never identified.
Do they ever work? Has anyone been motivated by them? "No. Never. HR bastards 🙄 | |||
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"Means fuck all to me for any cunt to tell me how I can improve. I'll always continue to do what I think is right and so far I've done so with relative success career wise (without trying to sound like blowing my own trumpet)😅 Unless it's a door swings both ways, which I find really easy to spot when it isn't, I really don't take a blind bit of notice 🤷♂️ That just about sums up my experience of appraisals. Sitting opposite someone less qualified than me with the people skills of an angry wildebeest while she rambled on in company speak and ignored every concern and suggestion I made was so dispiriting. I will add that I didn't mean to make it sound quite so contemptuous as I did😅 But like you say, I've very rarely heard anyone say that an appraisal has benefit them or their employer in any significance. I mean I too would also find someone using corporate bs quite abrasive to me in an individual setting
For me you weren't quite contemptuous enough!
We used to be given little 'motivational' slogans.
We used to listen to them then go back to our desks and laugh. It's been nearly ten years and ex colleagues and I still use them ironically.
Did they have the slogans on plaques in the elevator?
That never happened while I was there I think it would have finished me off even sooner
Someone took to satirically defacing them, they ended up only putting them in places that could be surveilled.
It was perceived as a moral victory - I feel. The culprit was never identified.
Do they ever work? Has anyone been motivated by them? "I think some people are motivated to advance their position and if regurgitating doctrine achieves that they'll repeat it like a mantra. I'm not sure it achieves anything in terms of productivity - I have seen little evidence of that. I don't know I walked away and went self-employed a decade ago - for my own sanity. | |||
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"Means fuck all to me for any cunt to tell me how I can improve. I'll always continue to do what I think is right and so far I've done so with relative success career wise (without trying to sound like blowing my own trumpet)😅 Unless it's a door swings both ways, which I find really easy to spot when it isn't, I really don't take a blind bit of notice 🤷♂️ That just about sums up my experience of appraisals. Sitting opposite someone less qualified than me with the people skills of an angry wildebeest while she rambled on in company speak and ignored every concern and suggestion I made was so dispiriting. I will add that I didn't mean to make it sound quite so contemptuous as I did😅 But like you say, I've very rarely heard anyone say that an appraisal has benefit them or their employer in any significance. I mean I too would also find someone using corporate bs quite abrasive to me in an individual setting
For me you weren't quite contemptuous enough!
We used to be given little 'motivational' slogans.
We used to listen to them then go back to our desks and laugh. It's been nearly ten years and ex colleagues and I still use them ironically.
Did they have the slogans on plaques in the elevator?
That never happened while I was there I think it would have finished me off even sooner
Someone took to satirically defacing them, they ended up only putting them in places that could be surveilled.
It was perceived as a moral victory - I feel. The culprit was never identified.
Do they ever work? Has anyone been motivated by them?
I think some people are motivated to advance their position and if regurgitating doctrine achieves that they'll repeat it like a mantra.
I'm not sure it achieves anything in terms of productivity - I have seen little evidence of that. I don't know I walked away and went self-employed a decade ago - for my own sanity."I walked away and retired, for my (dubious) sanity. | |||
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"Means fuck all to me for any cunt to tell me how I can improve. I'll always continue to do what I think is right and so far I've done so with relative success career wise (without trying to sound like blowing my own trumpet)😅 Unless it's a door swings both ways, which I find really easy to spot when it isn't, I really don't take a blind bit of notice 🤷♂️ That just about sums up my experience of appraisals. Sitting opposite someone less qualified than me with the people skills of an angry wildebeest while she rambled on in company speak and ignored every concern and suggestion I made was so dispiriting. I will add that I didn't mean to make it sound quite so contemptuous as I did😅 But like you say, I've very rarely heard anyone say that an appraisal has benefit them or their employer in any significance. I mean I too would also find someone using corporate bs quite abrasive to me in an individual setting
For me you weren't quite contemptuous enough!
We used to be given little 'motivational' slogans.
We used to listen to them then go back to our desks and laugh. It's been nearly ten years and ex colleagues and I still use them ironically.
Did they have the slogans on plaques in the elevator?
That never happened while I was there I think it would have finished me off even sooner
Someone took to satirically defacing them, they ended up only putting them in places that could be surveilled.
It was perceived as a moral victory - I feel. The culprit was never identified.
Do they ever work? Has anyone been motivated by them?
No. Never. HR bastards 🙄". | |||
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Most employers are aware that Supervisions and Appraisals are disliked. Most employers probably dislike holding them too.
But for a lot of jobs (especially healthcare, social care) they are considered essential and often expected by regulatory bodies and employers then get shit if they’re not done.
I personally think they are a waste of time, if you have an open door policy with staff and you’re a decent employer, then they should be able to approach you as and when they need to, in a more relaxing and less box ticking exercise kind of way about anything and everything. But I say that from a small business point of view. The bigger the Company the more you’re “just a number” and I say that from past experience.
But we have a regulatory body who insists things are done a certain way, so what do I know. 🤷🏻♀️
Just a bit disappointing to see so much hate.
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"Strewth so much hate
Most employers are aware that Supervisions and Appraisals are disliked. Most employers probably dislike holding them too.
But for a lot of jobs (especially healthcare, social care) they are considered essential and often expected by regulatory bodies and employers then get shit if they’re not done.
I personally think they are a waste of time, if you have an open door policy with staff and you’re a decent employer, then they should be able to approach you as and when they need to, in a more relaxing and less box ticking exercise kind of way about anything and everything. But I say that from a small business point of view. The bigger the Company the more you’re “just a number” and I say that from past experience.
But we have a regulatory body who insists things are done a certain way, so what do I know. 🤷🏻♀️
Just a bit disappointing to see so much hate.
"Doesn't that suggest that for some of us at least the process isn't working? I worked in a heavily regulated career with government set targets and regular inspections. Appraisals were nothing more than middle management ticking boxes to show those above them that the above targets were on the way to being met even if they weren't and having the correct paperwork in place when inspections happened. Disappointing is a word I'd apply to the whole process and a word often applied to my attitude towards appraisals by my boss. | |||
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"Strewth so much hate
Most employers are aware that Supervisions and Appraisals are disliked. Most employers probably dislike holding them too.
But for a lot of jobs (especially healthcare, social care) they are considered essential and often expected by regulatory bodies and employers then get shit if they’re not done.
I personally think they are a waste of time, if you have an open door policy with staff and you’re a decent employer, then they should be able to approach you as and when they need to, in a more relaxing and less box ticking exercise kind of way about anything and everything. But I say that from a small business point of view. The bigger the Company the more you’re “just a number” and I say that from past experience.
But we have a regulatory body who insists things are done a certain way, so what do I know. 🤷🏻♀️
Just a bit disappointing to see so much hate.
Doesn't that suggest that for some of us at least the process isn't working?
I worked in a heavily regulated career with government set targets and regular inspections.
Appraisals were nothing more than middle management ticking boxes to show those above them that the above targets were on the way to being met even if they weren't and having the correct paperwork in place when inspections happened.
Disappointing is a word I'd apply to the whole process and a word often applied to my attitude towards appraisals by my boss. "I’d say for most they don’t work, hence my preference for “open door policy” preference for dealing with staff, but realise that is probably an old fashioned approach these days, but luckily working for a smaller Company allows us to have that to a degree, as long as we comply with Regulations. Larger Companies I found it was always a case of whether your face fit and if you didn’t adhere to their (often unreasonable) expectations then your face definitely did not fit and you could guarantee you’d be top of the list for unexpected redundancy. I am wholly biased now though because I work for a small Company and we are pretty awesome to work for, but then I would say that. Our staff might not!
It’s just disappointing to see so many bad experiences. Lack of job satisfaction. We spend so much time in work we should at least be able to enjoy it a little bit! | |||
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"A fair few comments on here about how their company doesn’t really help with personal development. Companies don’t care. It’s your career, not theirs, and your personal development is of zero interest to a company unless it helps them. If _you_ want to develop then _you_ need to make it happen. Don’t wait on someone else to do something they don’t care about." As a manager I take staff development seriously. I still expect people to identify what and how they want to develop. It's my job to help facilitate that. Want to move to a different unit to work on something else? I will ring their boss up to get you a visit to see if you like it enough to move. Want to pursue further education/professional registration? I will see if I can secure funding and wangle flexible working arrangements. Want to go for promotion? I will arrange practice interviews for you. I find it quite distressing that many managers can't even work out these fundamentals. | |||
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