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"They like how they look and feel in particular clothing. It's about them, not you." Exactly this | |||
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"Because they want to Not everything is about the male gaze"  | |||
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"I get that ladies want to. And it's not always about gents. But why ladies want to? That's the question. " I quote from above. "They like how they look and feel in particular clothing." | |||
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"Sorry, is this serious?" Nah, I bet he can't even spell 'ceeryuss'. | |||
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"Sorry, is this serious?" I'm starting to wonder if it's fishing for "I'm a total slut and I love making men act badly then telling them off" If so, that motivation comes into it for me somewhere below impressing my childhood pet hamster. (I've never owned a hamster) | |||
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"I get that ladies want to. And it's not always about gents. But why ladies want to? That's the question. " Because 80 per nice dressy clothes that fit me make me have a cleavage it's not easy to find clothes that don't unless I want to wear baggy ill fitting clothes all the time. There isn't a lot of outfits that cater to women with large boobs. Even something like a polo neck top will make me look ridiculously top heavy. So ye that's why we sometimes show cleavage. In fact I often have to pin clothes so that I can cover up more. Why does it bother you what someone wears anyhow. It's their choice and in the end has nothing to do with you and not a reason to oggle women because of their clothes. | |||
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"100% agreed it's free will, but this doesn't answer the question. The question was, why do it?" Some questions are better left unasked. Never question boobs....... | |||
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"Ok, this good answer. Goood look and feel with cleavage.. ok. Why the good feel then?" Confidence in myself. Self esteem coming from within. | |||
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"I get that ladies want to. And it's not always about gents. But why ladies want to? That's the question. " Why do you choose the clothes you wear? I choose mine because I like them. | |||
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"I get that ladies want to. And it's not always about gents. But why ladies want to? That's the question. Why do you choose the clothes you wear? I choose mine because I like them. " I think I'd prefer you out of them tbh. | |||
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"100% agreed it's free will, but this doesn't answer the question. The question was, why do it?" They like how they look and feel isn't enough of an answer? Because they want to should be satisfactory for you, if you need to question it. Also, cleavage on show is going to catch a few eyes, it's a given some people will have a look, but ogling (your term) is creepy. Not cool, or wanted. Discomfort from oglers is one reason some women don't do it all the time. | |||
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"Ok, this good answer. Goood look and feel with cleavage.. ok. Why the good feel then?" What do you like to wear OP? | |||
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"I get that ladies want to. And it's not always about gents. But why ladies want to? That's the question. Why do you choose the clothes you wear? I choose mine because I like them. I think I'd prefer you out of them tbh. "Are you offering to do the washing and ironing? 🤪🤣🥳 | |||
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"I get that ladies want to. And it's not always about gents. But why ladies want to? That's the question. Why do you choose the clothes you wear? I choose mine because I like them. I think I'd prefer you out of them tbh.
Are you offering to do the washing and ironing? 🤪🤣🥳"Fuck yeah, I love it when you talk dirty. 👄 | |||
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"I get that ladies want to. And it's not always about gents. But why ladies want to? That's the question. Why do you choose the clothes you wear? I choose mine because I like them. I think I'd prefer you out of them tbh.
Are you offering to do the washing and ironing? 🤪🤣🥳
Fuck yeah, I love it when you talk dirty. 👄 " | |||
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"This ain’t fair! I want to wander around with 20-30% of the base of my nob on show ☹️ " I'm all for equal opportunities  | |||
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"Because we can and we want to and they are ours to do as we want with" Oi! Away with your simple solutions that the op can’t understand. You’re sort is not welcome here. | |||
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"Because we can and we want to and they are ours to do as we want with Oi! Away with your simple solutions that the op can’t understand. You’re sort is not welcome here. "Too late | |||
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"Would you rather I strapped them under my arms lol. " Kinky. | |||
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"This ain’t fair! I want to wander around with 20-30% of the base of my nob on show ☹️ I'm all for equal opportunities "I’m going to start a new trend; Penile cleavage 👍🏻😜 | |||
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"Hi OP, if the cleavage is deep then it's probably because they have above-average sized breasts. It's simply an anatomical thing as opposed to something relating to preference, aesthetics or the visual appeal and entertainment for the general public. There is no "why" or any "point" about this, nor any "reasons" or "logic". Leave them to go about their business." Well said. | |||
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"Because they want to Not everything is about the male gaze" It's not always done to impress men, women get dressed up and show flesh to impress/outdo other women. | |||
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"It's always interesting to see what men think women's motives are for dressing as they do. It's way more complicated than just one reason." Glad it's not just me, find it interesting that women's motives over what they wear is dissected. Where I can't think I've ever given much thought to mens motives. | |||
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" your boobs are epic and feel good about them " I think this is the only logic or reason required… | |||
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"It's always interesting to see what men think women's motives are for dressing as they do. It's way more complicated than just one reason. Glad it's not just me, find it interesting that women's motives over what they wear is dissected. Where I can't think I've ever given much thought to mens motives. " I sometimes wonder what possessed them | |||
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"Some ladies prefer deeper than average cleavage in daily life (outside, office, ...) . This is of course great for us gents. But why? What's the point? If a gent is caught "ogling" we get rolling eyes. If it's cold and windy outside, just why suffer? If you already know your boobs are epic and feel good about them, why show them off 20-30%. Wish to know ladies' reasons/logic." Surely at 45 you should know that not everything women do is for the benefit of men? | |||
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" Surely at 45 you should know that not everything women do is for the benefit of men?" What is this ungodly thought‽ I wish to speak with the manager. | |||
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"It's always interesting to see what men think women's motives are for dressing as they do. It's way more complicated than just one reason. Glad it's not just me, find it interesting that women's motives over what they wear is dissected. Where I can't think I've ever given much thought to mens motives. I sometimes wonder what possessed them "Oh I do that to myself, when I've rushed out the house after getting the kids to school, and look in the mirror in work  | |||
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"It's always interesting to see what men think women's motives are for dressing as they do. It's way more complicated than just one reason. Glad it's not just me, find it interesting that women's motives over what they wear is dissected. Where I can't think I've ever given much thought to mens motives. I sometimes wonder what possessed them
Oh I do that to myself, when I've rushed out the house after getting the kids to school, and look in the mirror in work "I recall an orange, satin shirt dress that I wore with black lace gloves and cringe | |||
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"If you’re looking at the boobs you’re not looking at my moustache. Simples." it’s hard to take my eyes off them 😉 | |||
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"OP why do you post pics with your penis peeping out of your boxer shorts?" You may have him on that haha | |||
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"OP why do you post pics with your penis peeping out of your boxer shorts?" Obviously not for the same reason women wear v neck tops. | |||
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"Some clothes I wear at times give me a deep cleavage .Why because I have big boobs and that is just the way they fit into a particular outfit I have no option but to show cleavage. I wear those clothes because sometimes I like to dress up to feel good about myself rather than wearing baggy clothes that make me feel frumpy all the time which is really the only other option. I DO NOT wears clothes so that men think it's okay to blatantly stare at my cleavage and I don't actually understand the mentality of any grown man who would think that oggling at a woman because she is showing some cleavage is okay or the right thing to do. Yes I understand that you may notice and glance but to keep doing it and then act like it's a surprise when the person may roll their eyes at you shows a complete lack of maturity. " Thanks JustBo, good answer. Also, to be fair, sometimes us gents can be a bit imature. Cleavage could have this effect on us  | |||
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"100% agreed it's free will, but this doesn't answer the question. The question was, why do it? Some questions are better left unasked. Never question boobs......." It seem I'm a slow learner. So far: - never question boobs - never question legs - never question bums - ... feel free to add
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"What answer do you want to hear, OP?" I want to know the real answer/s. The answer that is unspoken, secretive and reserved only for fabsters. Not the generic ones;) | |||
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"Because wearing a polo neck makes my boobs look even more noticeable while also drawing attention to my double chin. Not a great look on me." To be fair, if polo neck does this, then no one would notice double chin. But I get it, it's about how you see yourself not about others. | |||
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"Sorry, is this serious?" Yes, it's a serious question. | |||
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"Some ladies prefer deeper than average cleavage in daily life (outside, office, ...) . This is of course great for us gents. But why? What's the point? If a gent is caught "ogling" we get rolling eyes. If it's cold and windy outside, just why suffer? If you already know your boobs are epic and feel good about them, why show them off 20-30%. Wish to know ladies' reasons/logic." 1.women do not make clothes, designers and manufacturers do 2. women with a sizeable cleavage tend to look better in a design that is gathered below the cleavage and is low cut. 3. You may have overlooked that women aren't exactly jumper shaped. 4. Are we in a religious state now ? It's a sad state of affairs when a woman is accused of dressing a certain way and causing men problems. NONE of it is about YOU (You being men ) | |||
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"It's an interesting topic. I have a question for the women who say they dress to feel good about themselves due to how they look. Would you dress your best and wear all your slap if you were alone on a desert island, at home entirely on your own for the day or somewhere where there was nobody else around at all?" I don't wear full make up at home but I always wear lipstick, even if I'm not going out. I also wear nice clothes even if I'm staying home alone. To me it's about self respect. I was meeting a friend for coffee recently and she exclaimed "you always dress so nicely". I was bemused, why wouldn't I?  | |||
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"Ok, this good answer. Goood look and feel with cleavage.. ok. Why the good feel then? Confidence in myself. Self esteem coming from within. " Thank you, good to know, I totally respect that. Not sure if I should dare ask further, but here it goes, it's fab afterall. What about deep cleavage actually brings about confidence and self asteem from within? | |||
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"I get that ladies want to. And it's not always about gents. But why ladies want to? That's the question. Why do you choose the clothes you wear? I choose mine because I like them. " Comfort, wormth, colours I like,... But if I was to unbutton my shirt a bit, it wouldn't be for any of those reasons, especially if it's cold outside. | |||
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"Sorry, is this serious? I'm starting to wonder if it's fishing for "I'm a total slut and I love making men act badly then telling them off" If so, that motivation comes into it for me somewhere below impressing my childhood pet hamster. (I've never owned a hamster)" Thanks guys for answers. I'm genuinely not fishing for anything. I's just an interesting question, no agenda. | |||
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"Perhaps you could answer me this. Why do you think women are doing it for men's benefit? " I never mentioned anyone's benefit. I'm just asking a question. Why would you assume that I think ladies are showing cleavage for men's benefit? | |||
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"I was mixing concrete in a pair of overalls recently but my hair was up, I had a silk scarf in the neck and diamond earrings on. It was only me and Mr N. 🤷♀️" pictures in pm or it didnt happen 😂 | |||
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"I get that ladies want to. And it's not always about gents. But why ladies want to? That's the question. Why do you choose the clothes you wear? I choose mine because I like them. Comfort, wormth, colours I like,... But if I was to unbutton my shirt a bit, it wouldn't be for any of those reasons, especially if it's cold outside. " For what reason would you unbutton your shirt OP? | |||
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"I get that ladies want to. And it's not always about gents. But why ladies want to? That's the question. Because 80 per nice dressy clothes that fit me make me have a cleavage it's not easy to find clothes that don't unless I want to wear baggy ill fitting clothes all the time. There isn't a lot of outfits that cater to women with large boobs. Even something like a polo neck top will make me look ridiculously top heavy. So ye that's why we sometimes show cleavage. In fact I often have to pin clothes so that I can cover up more. Why does it bother you what someone wears anyhow. It's their choice and in the end has nothing to do with you and not a reason to oggle women because of their clothes. " It doesn't bother me at all. I bet it doesn't bother most men. Why would you assume I bothers me/us? In fact we appreciate the beauty of fem curve. I was just asking a question to know ladies reasons/motivation for cleavage, it's this simple. | |||
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"I was mixing concrete in a pair of overalls recently but my hair was up, I had a silk scarf in the neck and diamond earrings on. It was only me and Mr N. 🤷♀️pictures in pm or it didnt happen 😂" . We didn't take any but since we got the cement mixer it's been a lot easier | |||
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"I was mixing concrete in a pair of overalls recently but my hair was up, I had a silk scarf in the neck and diamond earrings on. It was only me and Mr N. 🤷♀️pictures in pm or it didnt happen 😂 . We didn't take any but since we got the cement mixer it's been a lot easier "yep most certainly is, gone have the days of mixing on boards and in wheelbarrows lol | |||
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"100% agreed it's free will, but this doesn't answer the question. The question was, why do it? They like how they look and feel isn't enough of an answer? Because they want to should be satisfactory for you, if you need to question it. Also, cleavage on show is going to catch a few eyes, it's a given some people will have a look, but ogling (your term) is creepy. Not cool, or wanted. Discomfort from oglers is one reason some women don't do it all the time. " Thanks, learning... Admittedly ogling is likely the wrong term. I did not mean in the sense of making someone uncomfortable. Let's change this to glancing, noticing, appreciating, I think this are better terms. | |||
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"I get that ladies want to. And it's not always about gents. But why ladies want to? That's the question. Why do you choose the clothes you wear? I choose mine because I like them. Comfort, warmth, colours I like,... But if I was to unbutton my shirt a bit, it wouldn't be for any of those reasons, especially if it's cold outside. For what reason would you unbutton your shirt OP?" Good question  I have no reason to do so, and you likely know this So this might be a curveball question. But if I had boobs, I'd likely unbutton my shirt to attract attention, to show off my assets, to see if anyone, maybe even targeted person, the one I want to notice would notice me. And if it's hot, just to cool off a bit. Does my reasoning make sense? If not, this is why I'm asking. | |||
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"Perhaps you could answer me this. Why do you think women are doing it for men's benefit? I never mentioned anyone's benefit. I'm just asking a question. Why would you assume that I think ladies are showing cleavage for men's benefit?" Maybe because you said we roll our eyes when men ogle. We roll our eyes because we don't do it for your benefit | |||
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"I get that ladies want to. And it's not always about gents. But why ladies want to? That's the question. Why do you choose the clothes you wear? I choose mine because I like them. Comfort, warmth, colours I like,... But if I was to unbutton my shirt a bit, it wouldn't be for any of those reasons, especially if it's cold outside. For what reason would you unbutton your shirt OP? Good question I have no reason to do so, and you likely know this So this might be a curveball question. But if I had boobs, I'd likely unbutton my shirt to attract attention, to show off my assets, to see if anyone, maybe even targeted person, the one I want to notice would notice me. And if it's hot, just to cool off a bit. Does my reasoning make sense? If not, this is why I'm asking."So, it would only ever be for attention? Or if it's warm? But never because without personal tailoring shirts almost never actually fit right, and that lower cut could make a world of difference to how much movement you can have in your shoulders or arms? Or because you like the way it looks for yourself? | |||
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"I wear what I wear for me, certainly don't dress to get attention from guys!" Thanks Sparkle So all the seductive, really hot pics, are just what you wear for yourself ? And not for attention, understood . To be honest, I think I've looked some of them multiple times  . But, to be serious..., I decided, I believe you. | |||
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"Because we can and we want to and they are ours to do as we want with Oi! Away with your simple solutions that the op can’t understand. You’re sort is not welcome here.
Too late "All answers are welcome. We don't discriminate. But some answers are more informative then others. "Because I said so" type of an answer, is really not an answer is it. | |||
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"Because they want to Not everything is about the male gaze" This | |||
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"It's always interesting to see what men think women's motives are for dressing as they do. It's way more complicated than just one reason." I agree, it's interesting. That's why I'm asking. And whatever reasons I come up with in my head are likely just few % of the real reasons, or plain wrong. Hands the question. | |||
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"It's always interesting to see what men think women's motives are for dressing as they do. It's way more complicated than just one reason. I agree, it's interesting. That's why I'm asking. And whatever reasons I come up with in my head are likely just few % of the real reasons, or plain wrong. Hands the question." The reasons women dress as they do areas individual and varied as women themselves. I have a friend who won't leave the house in short sleeves because she doesn't want to 'stand out'. Another friend who wears mini skirts because she likes his they look with boots. Someone else who only wears black because she thinks it makes her look slimmer. Yet another who wear leggings and a long top because it's comfortable. | |||
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"It's always interesting to see what men think women's motives are for dressing as they do. It's way more complicated than just one reason. Glad it's not just me, find it interesting that women's motives over what they wear is dissected. Where I can't think I've ever given much thought to mens motives. " This is really good point. We may think more (dissect) about women's motives due to the fact that women are more complex creatures . And men are "simpler" creatures.
Why have you not ever given much thought to men's motives? I'd imagine... because you are not motivated to, perhaps? In more simplistic terms, women pic men and not the other way around. | |||
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"Some ladies prefer deeper than average cleavage in daily life (outside, office, ...) . This is of course great for us gents. But why? What's the point? If a gent is caught "ogling" we get rolling eyes. If it's cold and windy outside, just why suffer? If you already know your boobs are epic and feel good about them, why show them off 20-30%. Wish to know ladies' reasons/logic. Surely at 45 you should know that not everything women do is for the benefit of men?" Of course I know that and have no problem with this. But that does not answer my question.
Say, deep/open reveal cleavage you're sporting, is for you only, makes you feel more confident, more attractive to yourself in the mirror, is in line with the aesthetics of the rest of your outfit. Great! But, why does the cleavage do that for you? I'm looking for the "real" reason, not superficial "throwaway, stop negging me" answer. | |||
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"Thank god...for Women who dress to impress" I absolutely agree! | |||
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"Some ladies prefer deeper than average cleavage in daily life (outside, office, ...) . This is of course great for us gents. But why? What's the point? If a gent is caught "ogling" we get rolling eyes. If it's cold and windy outside, just why suffer? If you already know your boobs are epic and feel good about them, why show them off 20-30%. Wish to know ladies' reasons/logic. Surely at 45 you should know that not everything women do is for the benefit of men? Of course I know that and have no problem with this. But that does not answer my question.
Say, deep/open reveal cleavage you're sporting, is for you only, makes you feel more confident, more attractive to yourself in the mirror, is in line with the aesthetics of the rest of your outfit. Great! But, why does the cleavage do that for you? I'm looking for the "real" reason, not superficial "throwaway, stop negging me" answer."Lots of women are telling you the reasons but you keep asking for more. Are you trying to elicit a particular answer? | |||
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"OP why do you post pics with your penis peeping out of your boxer shorts?" Oh this one is simple. I was told once that this is kind of a naughty pic. And some wanted to see more So basically, My pics are a direct result of fab feedback. Made you look   | |||
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"OP why do you post pics with your penis peeping out of your boxer shorts? Obviously not for the same reason women wear v neck tops. " Perhaps I can quote the same answers from the forum ladies about cleavage..., free will, because I can, not everything revolves around you ladies, you really should not stare, because I want to - should be enough of an answer,.. etc. But none of these are my real reason | |||
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"I love dressing up as I spend most of my time in gym kit. I have plenty of outfits that I enjoy wearing as they make me feel good & confident in my appearance. If they show cleavage, so be it... The whole ensemble is for me & me only. If men choose to glance at any cleavage on show, I'm not bothered tbh, hopefully they appreciate the total look of what I'm wearing... But quite frankly, IDGAF either way. I'm wearing the outfit for me not them. " With my full respect. This is the best, honest straightforward answer we've got so far on this thread. You do you! And this my forum friends, is how a hot/confident/sexy/independent/strong woman reads like!
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"I love dressing up as I spend most of my time in gym kit. I have plenty of outfits that I enjoy wearing as they make me feel good & confident in my appearance. If they show cleavage, so be it... The whole ensemble is for me & me only. If men choose to glance at any cleavage on show, I'm not bothered tbh, hopefully they appreciate the total look of what I'm wearing... But quite frankly, IDGAF either way. I'm wearing the outfit for me not them. With my full respect. This is the best, honest straightforward answer we've got so far on this thread. You do you! And this my forum friends, is how a hot/confident/sexy/independent/strong woman reads like!
And yes, your pics are awsome "And this is what a guy wanting sex reads like! | |||
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"It's an interesting topic. I have a question for the women who say they dress to feel good about themselves due to how they look. Would you dress your best and wear all your slap if you were alone on a desert island, at home entirely on your own for the day or somewhere where there was nobody else around at all?" I had the same question in my mind. Let's wait and read the answers | |||
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"I love dressing up as I spend most of my time in gym kit. I have plenty of outfits that I enjoy wearing as they make me feel good & confident in my appearance. If they show cleavage, so be it... The whole ensemble is for me & me only. If men choose to glance at any cleavage on show, I'm not bothered tbh, hopefully they appreciate the total look of what I'm wearing... But quite frankly, IDGAF either way. I'm wearing the outfit for me not them. With my full respect. This is the best, honest straightforward answer we've got so far on this thread. You do you! And this my forum friends, is how a hot/confident/sexy/independent/strong woman reads like!
And yes, your pics are awsome "Everyone's given you honest answers and their perspective. You've picked who you want to respond to or not to suit your own narrative | |||
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"100% agreed it's free will, but this doesn't answer the question. The question was, why do it?" Because we can? | |||
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"I do it because if I had a high neck it makes my boobs look bigger which I didn't want. I don't mind men looking to be fair but I don't do it for men" •  | |||
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"It's an interesting topic. I have a question for the women who say they dress to feel good about themselves due to how they look. Would you dress your best and wear all your slap if you were alone on a desert island, at home entirely on your own for the day or somewhere where there was nobody else around at all?" Yes. I'll often do my hair and make up and not leave the house or go anywhere other than for a walk. Because I like how it looks on me. | |||
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"I love dressing up as I spend most of my time in gym kit. I have plenty of outfits that I enjoy wearing as they make me feel good & confident in my appearance. If they show cleavage, so be it... The whole ensemble is for me & me only. If men choose to glance at any cleavage on show, I'm not bothered tbh, hopefully they appreciate the total look of what I'm wearing... But quite frankly, IDGAF either way. I'm wearing the outfit for me not them. With my full respect. This is the best, honest straightforward answer we've got so far on this thread. You do you! And this my forum friends, is how a hot/confident/sexy/independent/strong woman reads like!
And yes, your pics are awsome "Why is this answer any more valid than the others you've been given? | |||
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"Some ladies prefer deeper than average cleavage in daily life (outside, office, ...) . This is of course great for us gents. But why? What's the point? If a gent is caught "ogling" we get rolling eyes. If it's cold and windy outside, just why suffer? If you already know your boobs are epic and feel good about them, why show them off 20-30%. Wish to know ladies' reasons/logic. 1.women do not make clothes, designers and manufacturers do 2. women with a sizeable cleavage tend to look better in a design that is gathered below the cleavage and is low cut. 3. You may have overlooked that women aren't exactly jumper shaped. 4. Are we in a religious state now ? It's a sad state of affairs when a woman is accused of dressing a certain way and causing men problems. NONE of it is about YOU (You being men )" Why are you invoking point 4 (religion) + "woman accused of dressing a certain way"? This is not the topic of conversation here. And I never accused anyone causing men problems. You are simply assuming to much.  | |||
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"I do it because if I had a high neck it makes my boobs look bigger which I didn't want. I don't mind men looking to be fair but I don't do it for men • "
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"It's an interesting topic. I have a question for the women who say they dress to feel good about themselves due to how they look. Would you dress your best and wear all your slap if you were alone on a desert island, at home entirely on your own for the day or somewhere where there was nobody else around at all? I don't wear full make up at home but I always wear lipstick, even if I'm not going out. I also wear nice clothes even if I'm staying home alone. To me it's about self respect. I was meeting a friend for coffee recently and she exclaimed "you always dress so nicely". I was bemused, why wouldn't I? "Interesting. I'm not sure this answer/logic has much traction. Here is my reasoning. Let's say you are home alone, and you have a flu, headache, throat ache, a bit of fever. So you can't be bothered with lipstick and nice clothes..., say you stay in your PJs whole day. Would this diminish your self respect? I think not. So, I'm not sure how does lipstick/nice clothes at home translate to self respect? Dressing nicely for having a coffee with a friend, does indeed translate to self respect, I think. Even more, it shows respect for your friend as well. | |||
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"Am i the only person thinking, shut up and enjoy the deep cleavages 😍" Might be the only one
But I'm with you on this, I agree!
The problem is that according to a lot of women's opinions, men were not supposed to enjoy the cleavages. If we dare to do so, we are either immature, or religious, or convinced that ladies only dress for men and are asking to be harassed..., according to one lady, we should remain in our father's ball sack = should never be born.
So tread carefully my friend! It's a minefield, you might need a special permission to enjoy a nice cleavage. | |||
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"Perhaps you could answer me this. Why do you think women are doing it for men's benefit? I never mentioned anyone's benefit. I'm just asking a question. Why would you assume that I think ladies are showing cleavage for men's benefit? Maybe because you said we roll our eyes when men ogle. We roll our eyes because we don't do it for your benefit " It's billions of years of evolution that has conditioned male homo sapiens to notice and be attracted to female homo sapiens sexual assets. So It's pretty clear to everyone, that a good pair of boobs WILL attract men's attention. You surely know this, correct? And, true some men may be a bit too obvious for comfort and this is bad. But a glance, a wink, just an expression of appreciation, is this not better than to pretend we didn't notice anything? Or would you feel much better if the world would absolutely forget about your assets on obvious, whether intentional or unintentional, display. Look, I'm just asking questions, because I find this topic fascinating. I'm not judging or assuming anything. | |||
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"I get that ladies want to. And it's not always about gents. But why ladies want to? That's the question. Why do you choose the clothes you wear? I choose mine because I like them. Comfort, warmth, colours I like,... But if I was to unbutton my shirt a bit, it wouldn't be for any of those reasons, especially if it's cold outside. For what reason would you unbutton your shirt OP? Good question I have no reason to do so, and you likely know this So this might be a curveball question. But if I had boobs, I'd likely unbutton my shirt to attract attention, to show off my assets, to see if anyone, maybe even targeted person, the one I want to notice would notice me. And if it's hot, just to cool off a bit. Does my reasoning make sense? If not, this is why I'm asking.
So, it would only ever be for attention? Or if it's warm?
But never because without personal tailoring shirts almost never actually fit right, and that lower cut could make a world of difference to how much movement you can have in your shoulders or arms? Or because you like the way it looks for yourself? "You are essentially asking me to think/feel like a woman. I'm sorry but I just can't do that. Personal tailoring, lower cut=movement in shoulders/arms... I just can't compute that
It's like me asking you to think about the benefits of boxers/underwear for men. More space for balls hang low when it's hot, spreading legs when sitting down. You do know that it makes a world of difference for men to spread the legs when sitting down so that we don't overheat the balls, or pinch the balls against tight undies. Some truck/bus drivers actually end up with lower sperm count due to occupation. Try thinking like a men . Do you know that a simple scratch of men's crotch make a world of difference when a men get's an each on the balls.. If not scratched, it can reeeeallllly become uncomfortable.
My point is, I reasoned as best as I could about the unbuttoned shirt. Everything else never crossed my mind, why should it? I can't imagine having boobs, let alone how this would feel. I sure as hell can't imagine someone paying me/us men attention due to showing off cleavage, but I can imagine one on a woman, and boy oh boy it looks good So good in fact, I really want her to know that I noticed that she is smoking hot. After all, isn't this the most genuine thing to do?
Well, whatever the situation, men are now conditioned to supress this, and we simply pretend we notice nothing, nada, zilch, .. Eyes always up. What we are thinking is of course a different universe | |||
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"It's an interesting topic. I have a question for the women who say they dress to feel good about themselves due to how they look. Would you dress your best and wear all your slap if you were alone on a desert island, at home entirely on your own for the day or somewhere where there was nobody else around at all? I don't wear full make up at home but I always wear lipstick, even if I'm not going out. I also wear nice clothes even if I'm staying home alone. To me it's about self respect. I was meeting a friend for coffee recently and she exclaimed "you always dress so nicely". I was bemused, why wouldn't I?
Interesting. I'm not sure this answer/logic has much traction. Here is my reasoning. Let's say you are home alone, and you have a flu, headache, throat ache, a bit of fever. So you can't be bothered with lipstick and nice clothes..., say you stay in your PJs whole day. Would this diminish your self respect? I think not. So, I'm not sure how does lipstick/nice clothes at home translate to self respect? Dressing nicely for having a coffee with a friend, does indeed translate to self respect, I think. Even more, it shows respect for your friend as well."Are you telling me that I'm wrong when I say that dressing nicely is about self respect *to me*? Of course I don't dress up when I have flu. That's self respect too because I'm concentrating on getting well. 🤷♀️ | |||
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"Did you get caught ogling? " No I did not get caught. But I do have a feeling that one of my colleagues my be trying to send a message, or get my attention, or may be flirting... how in the world would I know? I simply see the actions/behaviour, compute the occurrences of skimpy daring dress + our interactions, and try to figure out what is her angle. But my question is deeper than this, I just generally wish to know, why cleavage? Especially if/when there is no apparent reason for it. I could ask the same question about, short skirts, skimpy tops, high heals, stockings, makeup, over the top hair, ... you name it. I just focused on cleavage for now | |||
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"My boobs are such that it's actually hard to avoid sometimes. That in itself is just one more thing to feel self conscious about too. However I rarely wear clothes because I want people to look at me or think a certain way. I wear them because I feel good in them. Sometimes that feeling is actually quite rare. " Thank you MsWild, I appreciate the answer/insight. | |||
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"What makes you think women are more complex than men and that women pick men? " Multiple reasons but will reason like this: Say a couple is getting dressed for a party. The guy is done in 10 min, start to finish. But the lady takes good 3-4 hours (hair saloon - booked 2 weeks ahead, makeup, clothes, shoes....everything has to be colour matched to everything else, including the purse, the wallet, jewelry, and in the end she is somehow in charge so that his dress/appearance is matched to her's,.. etc. Which creature is more complex and which more simple? Not hard to answer is it? For women picking men: Here is the reasoning, but you can see this in real life or in any TV show or online or in book. Line up 100 women and 100 men. They need to pick each other for a date. 100 men will pick various women, in a statistically normal distribution called the bell curve. But all 100 women will pick maybe only the upper 5% of the most appealing men. This means 95 men out of 100 will not be picked even once. Why is that? Because women will pick only top men regardless of their own appeal-ranking. Essentially, all women will want to "punch above their waist" in picking the top men, even if they themselves are not even close to the top 5% in appeal. Or to put it in another evolutionary way, eggs are precious, sperm is not precious. So, women are picking men. Even here on Fab it's obvious. 95-ish % percent of all Fab members are men. So women can pick the best-of the best-of the best, for fabbing/swinging. And most men never get picked at all, no matter the effort. I'm not renting here, just answering the question as best and as clearly as I can. | |||
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"I get that ladies want to. And it's not always about gents. But why ladies want to? That's the question. " That's a simple answer to this. Any behaviour that commonly causes a creature to feel good, gives enjoyment or is enjoyable has a evolutionary purpose. It's why sugar and fat are used to make food taste nice, why kittens play, why we feel good when we're dressed in a way that's socially considered to be sexy. That's's not a fashionable opinion but it's pretty hard to argue against. When I start to see threads asking why do many women walk around Blue Water wearing their slippers and dressing gowns and see answers saying 'it's not about the male gaze, it's about me and I feel good dressed like that" I'll maybe reconsider. It's funny how the clothes that we all (men included) choose to wear because they make us "feel good" as opposed to because they comfy/warm/practical/cheap etc, are always clothes that will be viewed by many as being attractive. As you so clearly express with your question though, most people don't think about this - or at least don't want to because the implications don't fit with their world view. Evolution has ensured that behaviours that increase the chances of survival and/or reproduction are rewarded by enjoyable feelings - of something feels good it sure as shit has a past that is rooted in revolutionary success. P | |||
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"Some ladies prefer deeper than average cleavage in daily life (outside, office, ...) . This is of course great for us gents. But why? What's the point? If a gent is caught "ogling" we get rolling eyes. If it's cold and windy outside, just why suffer? If you already know your boobs are epic and feel good about them, why show them off 20-30%. Wish to know ladies' reasons/logic. Surely at 45 you should know that not everything women do is for the benefit of men? Of course I know that and have no problem with this. But that does not answer my question.
Say, deep/open reveal cleavage you're sporting, is for you only, makes you feel more confident, more attractive to yourself in the mirror, is in line with the aesthetics of the rest of your outfit. Great! But, why does the cleavage do that for you? I'm looking for the "real" reason, not superficial "throwaway, stop negging me" answer.
Lots of women are telling you the reasons but you keep asking for more. Are you trying to elicit a particular answer? "I admit, I may be bit naughty. Because the WHY question is a tricky one. One can drill WHY for ever. I'm trying to get a bit deeper answer than just a simple "because we can, because we like it, because it's not about men, ...). Some answers were brilliant, but some were downright disrespectful. I'm still happy to read them all and invite everyone to chat. the rest is up to the Mod. | |||
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"What makes you think women are more complex than men and that women pick men? Multiple reasons but will reason like this: Say a couple is getting dressed for a party. The guy is done in 10 min, start to finish. But the lady takes good 3-4 hours (hair saloon - booked 2 weeks ahead, makeup, clothes, shoes....everything has to be colour matched to everything else, including the purse, the wallet, jewelry, and in the end she is somehow in charge so that his dress/appearance is matched to her's,.. etc. Which creature is more complex and which more simple? Not hard to answer is it? For women picking men: Here is the reasoning, but you can see this in real life or in any TV show or online or in book. Line up 100 women and 100 men. They need to pick each other for a date. 100 men will pick various women, in a statistically normal distribution called the bell curve. But all 100 women will pick maybe only the upper 5% of the most appealing men. This means 95 men out of 100 will not be picked even once. Why is that? Because women will pick only top men regardless of their own appeal-ranking. Essentially, all women will want to "punch above their waist" in picking the top men, even if they themselves are not even close to the top 5% in appeal. Or to put it in another evolutionary way, eggs are precious, sperm is not precious. So, women are picking men. Even here on Fab it's obvious. 95-ish % percent of all Fab members are men. So women can pick the best-of the best-of the best, for fabbing/swinging. And most men never get picked at all, no matter the effort. I'm not renting here, just answering the question as best and as clearly as I can." Hmm. So by this logic 95% if men are are single? This is obviously not so I've heard this theory before and I don't agree with it. | |||
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"When I get dressed I’m not really looking at how my body looks in the clothes but how the cloths look on my body. I like putting thought into my outfit, I buy the clothes because I like the clothes. If a dress happens to have a low cut neckline and look good on a deep cleavage then that’s how it’s getting worn. If I get leered at by someone, my skin will crawl for about 30 seconds then I get on with my day. I do not give them anymore thought. It’s really not about men’s opinions. That being said, I do want women to compliment me in the ladies loos. The most genuine of compliments. " Ok I get that. Thanks. So if the men was to compliment you, how should he go about it? I know this is not the topic here, so if you ignore my question I'm fine with it. | |||
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"Perhaps you could answer me this. Why do you think women are doing it for men's benefit? " Well the Op doesn't know why women do it he's asking to be fair ,having thought about it myself its lovely to see them on show but like the OP said if you catch a guy ogling them and it upsets you the woman with the cleavage ,he asked why do it .Are you saying it looks better for that woman to show them off and not have to worry about the ogling which she obviously is bothered about ,so the Op asked if it bothers that woman then why put yourself in that position ? | |||
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"When I get dressed I’m not really looking at how my body looks in the clothes but how the cloths look on my body. I like putting thought into my outfit, I buy the clothes because I like the clothes. If a dress happens to have a low cut neckline and look good on a deep cleavage then that’s how it’s getting worn. If I get leered at by someone, my skin will crawl for about 30 seconds then I get on with my day. I do not give them anymore thought. It’s really not about men’s opinions. That being said, I do want women to compliment me in the ladies loos. The most genuine of compliments. Ok I get that. Thanks. So if the men was to compliment you, how should he go about it? I know this is not the topic here, so if you ignore my question I'm fine with it." Women compliment clothes, men don’t as a general rule. I’ve been stopped before by a man asking where I got my scarf as his wife wanted one in the same colour and couldn’t find one. I took that as a compliment because it was my first time wearing it and I was glad it was noticed. Those compliments are great | |||
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"I love dressing up as I spend most of my time in gym kit. I have plenty of outfits that I enjoy wearing as they make me feel good & confident in my appearance. If they show cleavage, so be it... The whole ensemble is for me & me only. If men choose to glance at any cleavage on show, I'm not bothered tbh, hopefully they appreciate the total look of what I'm wearing... But quite frankly, IDGAF either way. I'm wearing the outfit for me not them. With my full respect. This is the best, honest straightforward answer we've got so far on this thread. You do you! And this my forum friends, is how a hot/confident/sexy/independent/strong woman reads like!
And yes, your pics are awsome
And this is what a guy wanting sex reads like! " How did you make this conclusion? Based on what? Genuinely confused here And btw, it's just not true what you are saying, I just like her answer. That's all. | |||
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"It's an interesting topic. I have a question for the women who say they dress to feel good about themselves due to how they look. Would you dress your best and wear all your slap if you were alone on a desert island, at home entirely on your own for the day or somewhere where there was nobody else around at all? I don't wear full make up at home but I always wear lipstick, even if I'm not going out. I also wear nice clothes even if I'm staying home alone. To me it's about self respect. I was meeting a friend for coffee recently and she exclaimed "you always dress so nicely". I was bemused, why wouldn't I?
Interesting. I'm not sure this answer/logic has much traction. Here is my reasoning. Let's say you are home alone, and you have a flu, headache, throat ache, a bit of fever. So you can't be bothered with lipstick and nice clothes..., say you stay in your PJs whole day. Would this diminish your self respect? I think not. So, I'm not sure how does lipstick/nice clothes at home translate to self respect? Dressing nicely for having a coffee with a friend, does indeed translate to self respect, I think. Even more, it shows respect for your friend as well.
Are you telling me that I'm wrong when I say that dressing nicely is about self respect *to me*? Of course I don't dress up when I have flu. That's self respect too because I'm concentrating on getting well.
🤷♀️"No I'm not telling you you're wrong. I can't/would never do that. Only you know you and your feelings. I just found it hard to follow the pure logic of it. And I explained my reasoning. Of course focusing on getting better when sick, makes perfect sense | |||
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"100% agreed it's free will, but this doesn't answer the question. The question was, why do it?" “Because they can”, which actually means I don’t know the fucking answer…..but I’m a knob. | |||
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"I love dressing up as I spend most of my time in gym kit. I have plenty of outfits that I enjoy wearing as they make me feel good & confident in my appearance. If they show cleavage, so be it... The whole ensemble is for me & me only. If men choose to glance at any cleavage on show, I'm not bothered tbh, hopefully they appreciate the total look of what I'm wearing... But quite frankly, IDGAF either way. I'm wearing the outfit for me not them. With my full respect. This is the best, honest straightforward answer we've got so far on this thread. You do you! And this my forum friends, is how a hot/confident/sexy/independent/strong woman reads like!
And yes, your pics are awsome
And this is what a guy wanting sex reads like!
How did you make this conclusion? Based on what? Genuinely confused here And btw, it's just not true what you are saying, I just like her answer. That's all."Like genuinely? | |||
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"I ware a suit when I must, but rather not, and don't when on my own time. I ware what I want, I see not reason why a lady can't do the same without some man considering it an invitation 🤔 " This is the problem with this type of thread, too many people attempt the logically impossible of driving an ought from an is. Acknowledging that dressing in a certain way "is" likely to gain male attention is not the same as acknowledging it ought to - nor indeed does it suggest that it ought not. There seems to be a refusal to accept that there way a woman dresses affects the way she is viewed by others -despite the obvious fact that we are all patiently aware that clothing carries clear signals. No woman would stream of turning up at a friend's wedding in a white dress, no one walks up to a person in police uniform and offers them dr!gs. This trial appears to be based on the bizarre belief that acknowledging a certain stress style is going to have a sexual appeal to men also means agreeing that this gives men the right to act on that appeal. We all feel good when we know we look attractive to others and whether we want to admit it or not, we get that feeling *because* we are aware we are dressed in a way that is appealing. That doesn't mean others have the right to do anything. "Is" sexy doesn't imply *ought* to expect unwanted attention. | |||
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"What makes you think women are more complex than men and that women pick men? Multiple reasons but will reason like this: Say a couple is getting dressed for a party. The guy is done in 10 min, start to finish. But the lady takes good 3-4 hours (hair saloon - booked 2 weeks ahead, makeup, clothes, shoes....everything has to be colour matched to everything else, including the purse, the wallet, jewelry, and in the end she is somehow in charge so that his dress/appearance is matched to her's,.. etc. Which creature is more complex and which more simple? Not hard to answer is it? For women picking men: Here is the reasoning, but you can see this in real life or in any TV show or online or in book. Line up 100 women and 100 men. They need to pick each other for a date. 100 men will pick various women, in a statistically normal distribution called the bell curve. But all 100 women will pick maybe only the upper 5% of the most appealing men. This means 95 men out of 100 will not be picked even once. Why is that? Because women will pick only top men regardless of their own appeal-ranking. Essentially, all women will want to "punch above their waist" in picking the top men, even if they themselves are not even close to the top 5% in appeal. Or to put it in another evolutionary way, eggs are precious, sperm is not precious. So, women are picking men. Even here on Fab it's obvious. 95-ish % percent of all Fab members are men. So women can pick the best-of the best-of the best, for fabbing/swinging. And most men never get picked at all, no matter the effort. I'm not renting here, just answering the question as best and as clearly as I can. Hmm. So by this logic 95% if men are are single? This is obviously not so I've heard this theory before and I don't agree with it. " Not at all, raising (human) children is more likely to be successful with a devoted father so while women given free choice may well choose to pick the top 5% - or whatever figure is claimed, it doesn't imply that this works out in practice. In real life, women want there own partner so have to choose from who is available. In species where multiple females mate with one male, this is exactly what happens. It is a fact that there are far more men on here wanting to see their (female) partner with another man than the other way around. The argument above proposes a model that would also expect this to be the case. If another man thinks there's a possibility he is the father of any offspring there is a higher chance of him helping look after them - even if in fact he isn't. Allowing your partner to have sex with others pays off for men, if they are the most regular sexual partner but allow occasional others, there's a good chance they will father offspring that others have a vested interest in protecting. On the other hand, a woman who has to share the emotional and physical support of her male partner is going to reduce her her chances of successfully passing on her genes. All human behaviour has a reason, we may not like those reasons, may find them distasteful or even immoral but that doesn't change anything. | |||
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"I get that ladies want to. And it's not always about gents. But why ladies want to? That's the question. That's a simple answer to this. Any behaviour that commonly causes a creature to feel good, gives enjoyment or is enjoyable has a evolutionary purpose. It's why sugar and fat are used to make food taste nice, why kittens play, why we feel good when we're dressed in a way that's socially considered to be sexy. That's's not a fashionable opinion but it's pretty hard to argue against. When I start to see threads asking why do many women walk around Blue Water wearing their slippers and dressing gowns and see answers saying 'it's not about the male gaze, it's about me and I feel good dressed like that" I'll maybe reconsider. It's funny how the clothes that we all (men included) choose to wear because they make us "feel good" as opposed to because they comfy/warm/practical/cheap etc, are always clothes that will be viewed by many as being attractive. As you so clearly express with your question though, most people don't think about this - or at least don't want to because the implications don't fit with their world view. Evolution has ensured that behaviours that increase the chances of survival and/or reproduction are rewarded by enjoyable feelings - of something feels good it sure as shit has a past that is rooted in revolutionary success. P" I 100% agree, amen
For all the people asking why I was not satisfied with some answers. It's because those were a throwaway couple words non-answers (a.e. because we can, free will, not about men,...).
As the Neil deGrasse Tyson would say: "Universe is under no obligation to make sense to us." Sometimes the obvious scientific reason does not fit into our preferred narrative/social programming, but this still doesn't mean it's not true. Therefore, in simple terms, women/men love to show off their "sexual assets", because this attracts the attention of mostly the opposite sex. And this makes us feel confident, attractive, important, interesting, feel goooooood about ourselves
So, when men stare too long and ladies find this appealing/unappealing, just think that men evolved this way and now must fight their own instincts. And ladies actually like it (perhaps), but will never admit to it, I guess? And if some ladies truthfully don't like it, try to be patient, maybe a bit more understanding or simply tell the guy, "eyes up please". | |||
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"What makes you think women are more complex than men and that women pick men? Multiple reasons but will reason like this: Say a couple is getting dressed for a party. The guy is done in 10 min, start to finish. But the lady takes good 3-4 hours (hair saloon - booked 2 weeks ahead, makeup, clothes, shoes....everything has to be colour matched to everything else, including the purse, the wallet, jewelry, and in the end she is somehow in charge so that his dress/appearance is matched to her's,.. etc. Which creature is more complex and which more simple? Not hard to answer is it? For women picking men: Here is the reasoning, but you can see this in real life or in any TV show or online or in book. Line up 100 women and 100 men. They need to pick each other for a date. 100 men will pick various women, in a statistically normal distribution called the bell curve. But all 100 women will pick maybe only the upper 5% of the most appealing men. This means 95 men out of 100 will not be picked even once. Why is that? Because women will pick only top men regardless of their own appeal-ranking. Essentially, all women will want to "punch above their waist" in picking the top men, even if they themselves are not even close to the top 5% in appeal. Or to put it in another evolutionary way, eggs are precious, sperm is not precious. So, women are picking men. Even here on Fab it's obvious. 95-ish % percent of all Fab members are men. So women can pick the best-of the best-of the best, for fabbing/swinging. And most men never get picked at all, no matter the effort. I'm not renting here, just answering the question as best and as clearly as I can. Hmm. So by this logic 95% if men are are single? This is obviously not so I've heard this theory before and I don't agree with it. " No, there is a bit of a flaw in your logic. Of course 95% of men are not single. I was explaining why women are the ones picking men (doing the selection) and not the other way around. If you think this through for real life, in the end all 100 men and women will end up in 100 pairs, but the way the picking is done (psychologically) is the way I described. First 5% of men get picked, then next top 5%, then next top 5%, ...etc, until all the pairs are formed. I hope this is clear now Please understand this is conceptual thinking from first principles to explain the concept of female-driven selection of men. In reality there will always be 95% men on Fab Most are never picked.
But there is an interesting consequence to this. The most appealing men will likely be able to mate with multiple willing women. Historically, this is how it was. | |||
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"When I get dressed I’m not really looking at how my body looks in the clothes but how the cloths look on my body. I like putting thought into my outfit, I buy the clothes because I like the clothes. If a dress happens to have a low cut neckline and look good on a deep cleavage then that’s how it’s getting worn. If I get leered at by someone, my skin will crawl for about 30 seconds then I get on with my day. I do not give them anymore thought. It’s really not about men’s opinions. That being said, I do want women to compliment me in the ladies loos. The most genuine of compliments. Ok I get that. Thanks. So if the men was to compliment you, how should he go about it? I know this is not the topic here, so if you ignore my question I'm fine with it. Women compliment clothes, men don’t as a general rule. I’ve been stopped before by a man asking where I got my scarf as his wife wanted one in the same colour and couldn’t find one. I took that as a compliment because it was my first time wearing it and I was glad it was noticed. Those compliments are great " Great, thank you! | |||
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"100% agreed it's free will, but this doesn't answer the question. The question was, why do it? “Because they can”, which actually means I don’t know the fucking answer…..but I’m a knob. " Apologies, but I don't quite follow. Could you please elaborate? | |||
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"I love dressing up as I spend most of my time in gym kit. I have plenty of outfits that I enjoy wearing as they make me feel good & confident in my appearance. If they show cleavage, so be it... The whole ensemble is for me & me only. If men choose to glance at any cleavage on show, I'm not bothered tbh, hopefully they appreciate the total look of what I'm wearing... But quite frankly, IDGAF either way. I'm wearing the outfit for me not them. With my full respect. This is the best, honest straightforward answer we've got so far on this thread. You do you! And this my forum friends, is how a hot/confident/sexy/independent/strong woman reads like!
And yes, your pics are awsome
And this is what a guy wanting sex reads like!
How did you make this conclusion? Based on what? Genuinely confused here And btw, it's just not true what you are saying, I just like her answer. That's all.
Like genuinely? "Yes, like genuinely! Why is this is even a question? You don't have to believe me if you don't want to, it doesn't phase me . That's up to you. My answer will stay the same either way, because it's true. | |||
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"I ware a suit when I must, but rather not, and don't when on my own time. I ware what I want, I see not reason why a lady can't do the same without some man considering it an invitation 🤔 This is the problem with this type of thread, too many people attempt the logically impossible of driving an ought from an is. Acknowledging that dressing in a certain way "is" likely to gain male attention is not the same as acknowledging it ought to - nor indeed does it suggest that it ought not. There seems to be a refusal to accept that there way a woman dresses affects the way she is viewed by others -despite the obvious fact that we are all patiently aware that clothing carries clear signals. No woman would stream of turning up at a friend's wedding in a white dress, no one walks up to a person in police uniform and offers them dr!gs. This trial appears to be based on the bizarre belief that acknowledging a certain stress style is going to have a sexual appeal to men also means agreeing that this gives men the right to act on that appeal. We all feel good when we know we look attractive to others and whether we want to admit it or not, we get that feeling *because* we are aware we are dressed in a way that is appealing. That doesn't mean others have the right to do anything. "Is" sexy doesn't imply *ought* to expect unwanted attention." Agreed again. Hard to explain better! | |||
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"What makes you think women are more complex than men and that women pick men? Multiple reasons but will reason like this: Say a couple is getting dressed for a party. The guy is done in 10 min, start to finish. But the lady takes good 3-4 hours (hair saloon - booked 2 weeks ahead, makeup, clothes, shoes....everything has to be colour matched to everything else, including the purse, the wallet, jewelry, and in the end she is somehow in charge so that his dress/appearance is matched to her's,.. etc. Which creature is more complex and which more simple? Not hard to answer is it? For women picking men: Here is the reasoning, but you can see this in real life or in any TV show or online or in book. Line up 100 women and 100 men. They need to pick each other for a date. 100 men will pick various women, in a statistically normal distribution called the bell curve. But all 100 women will pick maybe only the upper 5% of the most appealing men. This means 95 men out of 100 will not be picked even once. Why is that? Because women will pick only top men regardless of their own appeal-ranking. Essentially, all women will want to "punch above their waist" in picking the top men, even if they themselves are not even close to the top 5% in appeal. Or to put it in another evolutionary way, eggs are precious, sperm is not precious. So, women are picking men. Even here on Fab it's obvious. 95-ish % percent of all Fab members are men. So women can pick the best-of the best-of the best, for fabbing/swinging. And most men never get picked at all, no matter the effort. I'm not renting here, just answering the question as best and as clearly as I can. Hmm. So by this logic 95% if men are are single? This is obviously not so I've heard this theory before and I don't agree with it. No, there is a bit of a flaw in your logic. Of course 95% of men are not single. I was explaining why women are the ones picking men (doing the selection) and not the other way around. If you think this through for real life, in the end all 100 men and women will end up in 100 pairs, but the way the picking is done (psychologically) is the way I described. First 5% of men get picked, then next top 5%, then next top 5%, ...etc, until all the pairs are formed. I hope this is clear now Please understand this is conceptual thinking from first principles to explain the concept of female-driven selection of men. In reality there will always be 95% men on Fab Most are never picked.
But there is an interesting consequence to this. The most appealing men will likely be able to mate with multiple willing women. Historically, this is how it was. "So, you're saying every woman picks the top 5%, then drops to the next 5%, then down to the next 5%? Who decides who is in which percent bracket? What if you think you're in the top 5%, for instance, and I think you're in the bottom 5%? | |||
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"What makes you think women are more complex than men and that women pick men? Multiple reasons but will reason like this: Say a couple is getting dressed for a party. The guy is done in 10 min, start to finish. But the lady takes good 3-4 hours (hair saloon - booked 2 weeks ahead, makeup, clothes, shoes....everything has to be colour matched to everything else, including the purse, the wallet, jewelry, and in the end she is somehow in charge so that his dress/appearance is matched to her's,.. etc. Which creature is more complex and which more simple? Not hard to answer is it? For women picking men: Here is the reasoning, but you can see this in real life or in any TV show or online or in book. Line up 100 women and 100 men. They need to pick each other for a date. 100 men will pick various women, in a statistically normal distribution called the bell curve. But all 100 women will pick maybe only the upper 5% of the most appealing men. This means 95 men out of 100 will not be picked even once. Why is that? Because women will pick only top men regardless of their own appeal-ranking. Essentially, all women will want to "punch above their waist" in picking the top men, even if they themselves are not even close to the top 5% in appeal. Or to put it in another evolutionary way, eggs are precious, sperm is not precious. So, women are picking men. Even here on Fab it's obvious. 95-ish % percent of all Fab members are men. So women can pick the best-of the best-of the best, for fabbing/swinging. And most men never get picked at all, no matter the effort. I'm not renting here, just answering the question as best and as clearly as I can. Hmm. So by this logic 95% if men are are single? This is obviously not so I've heard this theory before and I don't agree with it. No, there is a bit of a flaw in your logic. Of course 95% of men are not single. I was explaining why women are the ones picking men (doing the selection) and not the other way around. If you think this through for real life, in the end all 100 men and women will end up in 100 pairs, but the way the picking is done (psychologically) is the way I described. First 5% of men get picked, then next top 5%, then next top 5%, ...etc, until all the pairs are formed. I hope this is clear now Please understand this is conceptual thinking from first principles to explain the concept of female-driven selection of men. In reality there will always be 95% men on Fab Most are never picked.
But there is an interesting consequence to this. The most appealing men will likely be able to mate with multiple willing women. Historically, this is how it was.
So, you're saying every woman picks the top 5%, then drops to the next 5%, then down to the next 5%? Who decides who is in which percent bracket? What if you think you're in the top 5%, for instance, and I think you're in the bottom 5%?"It's an extremely flawed argument isn't it. | |||
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