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"Does anyone else think she's a brilliant woman and a role model?" So Why do you think she's a brilliant woman and role model ..? | |||
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"Yes Her view on people not being able to change gender is absolutely bang on No amount of surgery pronouns or any of that mental illness bollox can make a man a woman " I'll second that I think she's an awesome writer and has a fantastic imagination to come up with all that she has Even writing under her pseudonym Robert Galbraith (Cormoran Strike series was brilliant) And if you read what she actually said about trans it's been blown out of all proportion by some woke activists just after an argument. | |||
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"Can't stand the cis woman." I doubt she identifies as being CIS. She identifies as being a woman. | |||
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"A good writer, but one who really needs an editor willing to stand up to her and say that less is sometimes more. Her views on trans, she should let people be whom they are." She used to be very polite. If you see what is said to her, it is vile including death threats. | |||
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"A nice quiet Saturday night in - I got a feeling this thread will help pass the time "It's a reboot! Sometimes they are fun, sometimes shit. It's part of the excitement. | |||
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"A nice quiet Saturday night in - I got a feeling this thread will help pass the time
It's a reboot! Sometimes they are fun, sometimes shit. It's part of the excitement. "Hopefully this one will be a box office hit. | |||
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"She made Harry Potter, she's awesome for that. Her personal views on stuff are her views, agree with them or not, she's allowed them. " She put pressure on the SNP when they put a "woman" with a penis in a woman's prison. Who had been convicted of assaulting a woman. | |||
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"She made Harry Potter, she's awesome for that. Her personal views on stuff are her views, agree with them or not, she's allowed them. Was it Azkaban? She put pressure on the SNP when they put a "woman" with a penis in a woman's prison. Who had been convicted of assaulting a woman. " | |||
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"Tedious person with a lot of power " So the only difference between her and the overwhelming vast majority of people is having a lot of power | |||
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"Can't stand the cis woman." I don't think she identifies as one of those But it doesn’t matter what an individual identifies as right ? It what we choose to call them ? | |||
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" She could be using her money for good" She does | |||
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" She could be using her money for good " OBE for services to literature and philanthropy. Clearly does more good than most people. What’s not to like about her ? | |||
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" She could be using her money for good She does " Yep, which is why she's no longer a billionaire | |||
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"Does anyone else think she's a brilliant woman and a role model?" Yes | |||
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"Can't stand the cis woman." So you purposely refer to her in a way she doesn’t want to be referred? Would you do that to a trans person on purpose like some people do? I find that quite obnoxious. | |||
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"Her views on a boy being a boy a girl being a girl ? What’s so confusing she’s right! It’s a weird wild woke world it really is "There's that word again, 'woke'. Hilarious it gets used disparagingly. She's a great role model to some. To others she's vocal in demeaning and damaging people's lives. Opinions man, like assholes. Everyone has one, some don't clean them anywhere near enough. | |||
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"Nope. She’s just a woman, who has her views and opinions " Omg who let you in!? | |||
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"Nope. She’s just a woman, who has her views and opinions Omg who let you in!? "I still have a key to pop in occasionally  | |||
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"Can't stand the cis woman. So you purposely refer to her in a way she doesn’t want to be referred? Would you do that to a trans person on purpose like some people do? I find that quite obnoxious. " CIS is just a stupid term and unnecessary. | |||
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"Her views on a boy being a boy a girl being a girl ? What’s so confusing she’s right! It’s a weird wild woke world it really is "Because men who like to wear knickers think they're women. Even though they'll never understand what it's like to give birth, menstruate or feel threatened by a butch crossdresser walking into the toilet. | |||
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"Can't stand the cis woman. So you purposely refer to her in a way she doesn’t want to be referred? Would you do that to a trans person on purpose like some people do? I find that quite obnoxious. CIS is just a stupid term and unnecessary." I suppose I agree but I’m really not that bothered what others want to call themselves. Doesn’t affect me or my life at all. I do find it obnoxious and childish when people go out of their way to do the opposite of what someone wants though. | |||
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"Her views on a boy being a boy a girl being a girl ? What’s so confusing she’s right! It’s a weird wild woke world it really is
Because men who like to wear knickers think they're women. Even though they'll never understand what it's like to give birth, menstruate or feel threatened by a butch crossdresser walking into the toilet."I do like it when people try to put barriers like this on what is and isn't a woman. I'll never know what it feels like to give birth because I know what birth control is and I know how to prevent that. My best friend was born without a uterus. Neither of us are threatened by trans women who pass or not. Are we men? | |||
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"My 14 year old could bore you to death with why they think she is a terrible role model and refuses to read any of her books." You should advise them to separate the art form the artist because if we start judging and really looking into things there would be barely any art left to enjoy | |||
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"My 14 year old could bore you to death with why they think she is a terrible role model and refuses to read any of her books." Entitled to feel that way, but Imagine a world where a r#p1st could suddenly identify as a woman and want moving to a woman's prison. SNP tried to do that and JK spoke out. Many others were afraid. She is the protector of women from men in knickers. | |||
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"Her views on a boy being a boy a girl being a girl ? What’s so confusing she’s right! It’s a weird wild woke world it really is
Because men who like to wear knickers think they're women. Even though they'll never understand what it's like to give birth, menstruate or feel threatened by a butch crossdresser walking into the toilet."I just like how a thong cradles my balls. | |||
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"My 14 year old could bore you to death with why they think she is a terrible role model and refuses to read any of her books. Entitled to feel that way, but Imagine a world where a r#p1st could suddenly identify as a woman and want moving to a woman's prison. SNP tried to do that and JK spoke out. Many others were afraid. She is the protector of women from men in knickers." Ahh here we go with the sensationalist bullshit. | |||
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"My 14 year old could bore you to death with why they think she is a terrible role model and refuses to read any of her books. Entitled to feel that way, but Imagine a world where a r#p1st could suddenly identify as a woman and want moving to a woman's prison. SNP tried to do that and JK spoke out. Many others were afraid. She is the protector of women from men in knickers. Ahh here we go with the sensationalist bullshit." It isn't though is it, it actually happened. I personally don't care how people identify and would respect referring to someone I knew personal how they wish. But absolutely don't agree with using female toilets or competing in sport. And definitely not going into a woman's prison unless they have their penis removed | |||
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"My 14 year old could bore you to death with why they think she is a terrible role model and refuses to read any of her books. Entitled to feel that way, but Imagine a world where a r#p1st could suddenly identify as a woman and want moving to a woman's prison. SNP tried to do that and JK spoke out. Many others were afraid. She is the protector of women from men in knickers. Ahh here we go with the sensationalist bullshit." These are never backed up by actual statistics. It's funny, because if you actually look at who is the main danger to women, it's men. Not men in knickers. I won't say cis men (because we're redoing the 1800s when they said stuff like "I'm not heterosexual, I'm normal") - I'll say men who live as men who lived as boys who had an M put on their birth certificate when the doctor spotted their willies at birth. Men are the main danger to women. And I know "not all men", but also not all trans people. If we want to restrict people's freedom and dignity because we're afraid of becoming victims of crime, I'd put my money and effort into a place where we actually see the crime occurring. Which is men. Manly manly manly men. | |||
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"My 14 year old could bore you to death with why they think she is a terrible role model and refuses to read any of her books. Entitled to feel that way, but Imagine a world where a r#p1st could suddenly identify as a woman and want moving to a woman's prison. SNP tried to do that and JK spoke out. Many others were afraid. She is the protector of women from men in knickers. Ahh here we go with the sensationalist bullshit. It isn't though is it, it actually happened. I personally don't care how people identify and would respect referring to someone I knew personal how they wish. But absolutely don't agree with using female toilets or competing in sport. And definitely not going into a woman's prison unless they have their penis removed " So trans folk abusing cis folk bad, but men abusing men in prisons and women abusing women in prisons is okay? Gtfo. | |||
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"Can't stand the cis woman. So you purposely refer to her in a way she doesn’t want to be referred? Would you do that to a trans person on purpose like some people do? I find that quite obnoxious. " I do, too, Nora. The hypocrisy is deafening! I like her. She worked hard and didnt give up. Her views arent as horrific as some folk make out. There are far worse people in the world for folk to be getting in a tiz about  | |||
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"My 14 year old could bore you to death with why they think she is a terrible role model and refuses to read any of her books. Entitled to feel that way, but Imagine a world where a r#p1st could suddenly identify as a woman and want moving to a woman's prison. SNP tried to do that and JK spoke out. Many others were afraid. She is the protector of women from men in knickers. Ahh here we go with the sensationalist bullshit. These are never backed up by actual statistics. It's funny, because if you actually look at who is the main danger to women, it's men. Not men in knickers. I won't say cis men (because we're redoing the 1800s when they said stuff like "I'm not heterosexual, I'm normal") - I'll say men who live as men who lived as boys who had an M put on their birth certificate when the doctor spotted their willies at birth. Men are the main danger to women. And I know "not all men", but also not all trans people. If we want to restrict people's freedom and dignity because we're afraid of becoming victims of crime, I'd put my money and effort into a place where we actually see the crime occurring. Which is men. Manly manly manly men." You are very polite and I know you've considered your response very well so thank you. The only issue I have with what you say is that your typical male won't be in women's private spaces. I do agree with some of what you've said. | |||
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"Can't stand the cis woman. So you purposely refer to her in a way she doesn’t want to be referred? Would you do that to a trans person on purpose like some people do? I find that quite obnoxious. I do, too, Nora. The hypocrisy is deafening! I like her. She worked hard and didnt give up. Her views arent as horrific as some folk make out. There are far worse people in the world for folk to be getting in a tiz about "The soft Holocaust denial was deffo not a big deal  | |||
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"My 14 year old could bore you to death with why they think she is a terrible role model and refuses to read any of her books. You should advise them to separate the art form the artist because if we start judging and really looking into things there would be barely any art left to enjoy " I let them form their own opinions, and i honestly dont think they are missing out on much by not reading Harry Potter. | |||
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"My 14 year old could bore you to death with why they think she is a terrible role model and refuses to read any of her books. Entitled to feel that way, but Imagine a world where a r#p1st could suddenly identify as a woman and want moving to a woman's prison. SNP tried to do that and JK spoke out. Many others were afraid. She is the protector of women from men in knickers. Ahh here we go with the sensationalist bullshit. These are never backed up by actual statistics. It's funny, because if you actually look at who is the main danger to women, it's men. Not men in knickers. I won't say cis men (because we're redoing the 1800s when they said stuff like "I'm not heterosexual, I'm normal") - I'll say men who live as men who lived as boys who had an M put on their birth certificate when the doctor spotted their willies at birth. Men are the main danger to women. And I know "not all men", but also not all trans people. If we want to restrict people's freedom and dignity because we're afraid of becoming victims of crime, I'd put my money and effort into a place where we actually see the crime occurring. Which is men. Manly manly manly men. You are very polite and I know you've considered your response very well so thank you. The only issue I have with what you say is that your typical male won't be in women's private spaces. I do agree with some of what you've said. " OK. Why are we focusing on crime prevention only specifically in one place? If we want to prevent women being victimised, and we're prepared to overreach and also punish everyone in a single demographic, we need to consider the harm to women everywhere, not just in private places. This means we need to lock men up. | |||
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"My 14 year old could bore you to death with why they think she is a terrible role model and refuses to read any of her books. Entitled to feel that way, but Imagine a world where a r#p1st could suddenly identify as a woman and want moving to a woman's prison. SNP tried to do that and JK spoke out. Many others were afraid. She is the protector of women from men in knickers. Ahh here we go with the sensationalist bullshit. These are never backed up by actual statistics. It's funny, because if you actually look at who is the main danger to women, it's men. Not men in knickers. I won't say cis men (because we're redoing the 1800s when they said stuff like "I'm not heterosexual, I'm normal") - I'll say men who live as men who lived as boys who had an M put on their birth certificate when the doctor spotted their willies at birth. Men are the main danger to women. And I know "not all men", but also not all trans people. If we want to restrict people's freedom and dignity because we're afraid of becoming victims of crime, I'd put my money and effort into a place where we actually see the crime occurring. Which is men. Manly manly manly men. You are very polite and I know you've considered your response very well so thank you. The only issue I have with what you say is that your typical male won't be in women's private spaces. I do agree with some of what you've said. OK. Why are we focusing on crime prevention only specifically in one place? If we want to prevent women being victimised, and we're prepared to overreach and also punish everyone in a single demographic, we need to consider the harm to women everywhere, not just in private places. This means we need to lock men up." I don't believe in punishing anyone. I believe we should extend rights as far as we can until it impedes someone else's rights. The Trans people I've met I've been quite fond of. I believe in showing respect to others but it works both ways. Should Trans women be allowed to compete in sport for instance? To be honest most people are going to be considerate and respectful apart from 3 issues. 1. Toilets 2. Sports 3. Prisons | |||
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"My 14 year old could bore you to death with why they think she is a terrible role model and refuses to read any of her books. Entitled to feel that way, but Imagine a world where a r#p1st could suddenly identify as a woman and want moving to a woman's prison. SNP tried to do that and JK spoke out. Many others were afraid. She is the protector of women from men in knickers. Ahh here we go with the sensationalist bullshit. These are never backed up by actual statistics. It's funny, because if you actually look at who is the main danger to women, it's men. Not men in knickers. I won't say cis men (because we're redoing the 1800s when they said stuff like "I'm not heterosexual, I'm normal") - I'll say men who live as men who lived as boys who had an M put on their birth certificate when the doctor spotted their willies at birth. Men are the main danger to women. And I know "not all men", but also not all trans people. If we want to restrict people's freedom and dignity because we're afraid of becoming victims of crime, I'd put my money and effort into a place where we actually see the crime occurring. Which is men. Manly manly manly men. You are very polite and I know you've considered your response very well so thank you. The only issue I have with what you say is that your typical male won't be in women's private spaces. I do agree with some of what you've said. OK. Why are we focusing on crime prevention only specifically in one place? If we want to prevent women being victimised, and we're prepared to overreach and also punish everyone in a single demographic, we need to consider the harm to women everywhere, not just in private places. This means we need to lock men up. I don't believe in punishing anyone. I believe we should extend rights as far as we can until it impedes someone else's rights. The Trans people I've met I've been quite fond of. I believe in showing respect to others but it works both ways. Should Trans women be allowed to compete in sport for instance? To be honest most people are going to be considerate and respectful apart from 3 issues. 1. Toilets 2. Sports 3. Prisons " All of the "solutions" to trans issues seem to be incredibly punitive to me. And most risk prevention strategies seem to be about limiting freedom in some way, whether you want to call it punishment or not. Go back to Jack the Ripper, a case where women publicly objected to a curfew because it wasn't them causing the problem. Same thing. If we're talking about safety in public, then we're talking about toilets. Being able to relieve yourself in private without risk of being attacked is a fundamental point of dignity. What are the statistics for attacks in toilets? Who is attacked most? Least? I'm not talking about *news stories* or things you're aware of. Crime statistics are generally publicly available. If we're going to restrict the freedom of one group, then we should do so on the basis of proclivity to violence. Sport, I'm aware that there's exploration of the testosterone and other levels and how that will affect performance. I don't think it's black and white, and we have the technology to not be primitive about this. Prisons, we should treat all violence in incarceration equally, and I don't see anyone complaining about the levels of male on male violence in prisons. Some even take male on male sexual violence in that context as a joke or as justice. | |||
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"I love how cis gendered straight men always seem to know exactly what makes a woman or doesn’t, understand the intricacies of gender dysphoria and have a deep grasp of transitioning" Yet they often struggle to understand consent and where a clitoris is | |||
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"I love how cis gendered straight men always seem to know exactly what makes a woman or doesn’t, understand the intricacies of gender dysphoria and have a deep grasp of transitioning Yet they often struggle to understand consent and where a clitoris is " I saw a trans woman do an MMA fight with a woman. I can tell you, that didn't look like equality. | |||
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"I love how cis gendered straight men always seem to know exactly what makes a woman or doesn’t, understand the intricacies of gender dysphoria and have a deep grasp of transitioning Yet they often struggle to understand consent and where a clitoris is " | |||
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"I love how cis gendered straight men always seem to know exactly what makes a woman or doesn’t, understand the intricacies of gender dysphoria and have a deep grasp of transitioning Yet they often struggle to understand consent and where a clitoris is I saw a trans woman do an MMA fight with a woman. I can tell you, that didn't look like equality. " I’ve seen cis gendered women rugby players that would take you to the cleaners. I’m not sure what your point is? | |||
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"I love how cis gendered straight men always seem to know exactly what makes a woman or doesn’t, understand the intricacies of gender dysphoria and have a deep grasp of transitioning Yet they often struggle to understand consent and where a clitoris is I saw a trans woman do an MMA fight with a woman. I can tell you, that didn't look like equality. I’ve seen cis gendered women rugby players that would take you to the cleaners. I’m not sure what your point is? " I was literally about to make this point. Have played men vs women before, and it is far, far from equal. They hurt us, they hurt us real bad. | |||
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"I love how cis gendered straight men always seem to know exactly what makes a woman or doesn’t, understand the intricacies of gender dysphoria and have a deep grasp of transitioning Yet they often struggle to understand consent and where a clitoris is I saw a trans woman do an MMA fight with a woman. I can tell you, that didn't look like equality. " Are you by any chance referring to Fallon Fox? | |||
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"Clearly a gifted writer. Disagree with her views on trans people. My biggest gripe is Quidditch makes no sense as a sport" That's long been one of my issues with it as well. In effect, the snitch is the only part of the game that truly matters. You have to score a staggering number of goals for the other side catching it to not result in a win, so the optimal strategy for any team is to focus entirely on getting the best possible seeker. | |||
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"Does anyone else think she's a brilliant woman and a role model?" Yes, not many have actually listened to her words & understood them. Sharron Davies too. Top ladies. | |||
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"Clearly a gifted writer. Disagree with her views on trans people. My biggest gripe is Quidditch makes no sense as a sport" I don’t think you’ve listened to her views; merely the headlines of what people think she’s saying. K | |||
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"Clearly a gifted writer. Disagree with her views on trans people. My biggest gripe is Quidditch makes no sense as a sport I don’t think you’ve listened to her views; merely the headlines of what people think she’s saying. K" Why is that? Do you know my views on trans people to say that I don't actually disagree with hers? | |||
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"Does anyone else think she's a brilliant woman and a role model?" No she’s an ego.driven mouth piece with a lot of money | |||
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"Clearly a gifted writer. Disagree with her views on trans people. My biggest gripe is Quidditch makes no sense as a sport" She has nothing against trans people. | |||
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"Does anyone else think she's a brilliant woman and a role model? No she’s an ego.driven mouth piece with a lot of money " I actually read some of her tweets and was a lot more inflammatory than way she worded things than I expected. That said, I think she makes some valid points. She also gets some absolutely frightening abuse. I wonder if people could discuss these things like human beings without being called wokies or bigots, could it descend into the gutter. I find you stunning btw but if I were a female, I might feel a bit intimidated if I saw your cock swinging around in a changing rooms. Because I don't know you as a person. I don't mean any offence btw so please don't take that as a personal insult x | |||
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"Clearly a gifted writer. Disagree with her views on trans people. My biggest gripe is Quidditch makes no sense as a sport She has nothing against trans people. " I don't know if that's true. And I genuinely don't think she hates trans people. I do think she is letting past trauma(understandably) shape her views and commentary on the issue. Which I do think riles up, mobilises and legitimises people who are hateful because of the way she does it And I don't agree with alot of her views on the issue. I think she exaggerates the dangers of shared spaces. Again I can understand why. And I understand how easy all this is for me to say as a straight white man. | |||
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"Can't stand the cis woman. So you purposely refer to her in a way she doesn’t want to be referred? Would you do that to a trans person on purpose like some people do? I find that quite obnoxious. " Totally with you here. | |||
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"In short, no. I found the series easy reading when it came out. But to actively use the platform the fame from that has given her to make other people's lives worse? Fuck that. That's not a good person." Exactly. | |||
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"Does anyone else think she's a brilliant woman and a role model?" A role model? No, not particularly. A brilliant woman? I have never met her so I really couldn’t say. I don’t think her writing is particularly great. Her concepts are good but nothing really that hasn’t existed in science fantasy for years, and I know the books are meant for children but I find them very bland. Mind, I can’t deny her huge success and must give her credit for that. If I met her , no doubt I would think she was lovely | |||
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"She made Harry Potter, she's awesome for that. Her personal views on stuff are her views, agree with them or not, she's allowed them. " Agree with this! | |||
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"Clearly a gifted writer. Disagree with her views on trans people. My biggest gripe is Quidditch makes no sense as a sport I don’t think you’ve listened to her views; merely the headlines of what people think she’s saying. K Why is that? Do you know my views on trans people to say that I don't actually disagree with hers?" I’d say she hasn’t said anything that’s derogatory, demeaning or hurtful to trans people, indeed she has trans friends - who support her views. Her concern is the drip, drip erosion of women’s protected rights. If you disagree with that, then you’re correct, I really don’t understand your view on trans people. Too many jump on a sound bite (a bit like a lot of perceived antisemitism) rather than the whole picture to get context. If most people (clearly you have your views made already, I’ll say I’m going to disagree with them) read and or listened in full to what the likes of Rowling, Cherry (she has gone down in my estimation but that’s another story) and Davies said rather than what they want them to say (in the name of faux grievance) they’d get a better understanding of where she’s coming from. K | |||
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"Clearly a gifted writer. Disagree with her views on trans people. My biggest gripe is Quidditch makes no sense as a sport I don’t think you’ve listened to her views; merely the headlines of what people think she’s saying. K Why is that? Do you know my views on trans people to say that I don't actually disagree with hers? I’d say she hasn’t said anything that’s derogatory, demeaning or hurtful to trans people, indeed she has trans friends - who support her views. Her concern is the drip, drip erosion of women’s protected rights. If you disagree with that, then you’re correct, I really don’t understand your view on trans people. Too many jump on a sound bite (a bit like a lot of perceived antisemitism) rather than the whole picture to get context. If most people (clearly you have your views made already, I’ll say I’m going to disagree with them) read and or listened in full to what the likes of Rowling, Cherry (she has gone down in my estimation but that’s another story) and Davies said rather than what they want them to say (in the name of faux grievance) they’d get a better understanding of where she’s coming from. K" Your assuming that only people you agreee with have read her comments in full. Prehaps I've read them and interpret them differently. | |||
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"Clearly a gifted writer. Disagree with her views on trans people. My biggest gripe is Quidditch makes no sense as a sport I don’t think you’ve listened to her views; merely the headlines of what people think she’s saying. K Why is that? Do you know my views on trans people to say that I don't actually disagree with hers? I’d say she hasn’t said anything that’s derogatory, demeaning or hurtful to trans people, indeed she has trans friends - who support her views. Her concern is the drip, drip erosion of women’s protected rights. If you disagree with that, then you’re correct, I really don’t understand your view on trans people. Too many jump on a sound bite (a bit like a lot of perceived antisemitism) rather than the whole picture to get context. If most people (clearly you have your views made already, I’ll say I’m going to disagree with them) read and or listened in full to what the likes of Rowling, Cherry (she has gone down in my estimation but that’s another story) and Davies said rather than what they want them to say (in the name of faux grievance) they’d get a better understanding of where she’s coming from. K Your assuming that only people you agreee with have read her comments in full. Prehaps I've read them and interpret them differently. " I’m more assuming the people haven’t read anything she’s written on the subject. Instead they’ve attached themselves to whatever particular echo chamber they are a part of. Had it first hand with a family member ‘JK is a transphobe!’ Asked them ‘why?’ though and they couldn’t answer; they hadn’t read her comments. Just seen the cancel culture soundbites and taken that as gospel. K | |||
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Winning... I only care about that if I am playing street fighter 2 in the arcade. Then it's war. No retreat, no surrender. Chun li wins - her giggle when she won used to make people rage quit. Honestly, some people would bottle it at the prospect of losing to a female fictional character.
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"Can't stand the cis woman. So you purposely refer to her in a way she doesn’t want to be referred? Would you do that to a trans person on purpose like some people do? I find that quite obnoxious. " Bloody hell Nora, a strong opinion | |||
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"Fell asleep after 15 minutes of the first Potter film. Boring. Tried the Potter Books. Gave up after one chapter. Boring. Not knocking people who enjoy her work and success though and to be fair everyone should be able to have an opinion and works both ways. Live and let live peoples" Is Tom feeling ok? | |||
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"Abslutely dreadful person. Leaving aside her awful view on transgender people, she's also blatantly racist. Why? She names her sole Asian character 'Cho Chang' - why not just call her 'Ching Chong China-girl'? The goblins are the laziest anti-semitic tropes I've ever seen. Her whole world (before she started retconning to try adding fake diversity) is just a white heteronormative mess." Yeah, even back then, we were better than that. Not necessarily good, but better. I'm not sure why it got such a huge pass. | |||
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"Fell asleep after 15 minutes of the first Potter film. Boring. Tried the Potter Books. Gave up after one chapter. Boring. Not knocking people who enjoy her work and success though and to be fair everyone should be able to have an opinion and works both ways. Live and let live peoples" lol Tom
Yes i agree she ripped alot of fantasy work to create Harry Potter but Thats cool as most fiction is derivative based from existing work anyway.
Some of the books were better but some are just a drawn out grind.
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"I honestly have no idea what dog she has in the fight? Why is she so passionately against it? I couldn't care less what other people do and it's none of my business. I were that ridiculously rich I'd want to fade into the background and quietly do something decent for mankind rather than grind an axe for no reason." She explained it in a piece published by the Guardian. Apparently you cannot have an opinion on sexuality and abuse if you are a victim of abuse in a relationship and a victim of sexual abuse when you happen to be wealthy and famous. | |||
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"She made Harry Potter, she's awesome for that. Her personal views on stuff are her views, agree with them or not, she's allowed them. She put pressure on the SNP when they put a "woman" with a penis in a woman's prison. Who had been convicted of assaulting a woman. " Yes, and good for her! | |||
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"Does anyone else think she's a brilliant woman and a role model?" Yes, I do, and a lot of nasty spiteful lies have been told about what she has said about transgender people. She has simply stood up for women and stated simple facts. I have never read any of her books but they have clearly got a lot of young people interested in reading which I applaud. | |||
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"I would say people are entitled to freedom of speech. Women are different from men in loads of ways. They are wired differently, and obviously anatomy differences over millenia of evolution and dna. Think trans is a separate category which needs acceptance on own identity. And that is the crux of the matter, because in reality a person cannot change biological sex. It's a myth. Trans is separate category. Perhaps it's due to hormones in the womb, who knows. " Well said. Much as I wish that there were magic wands and that I could be a real woman whatever is done to us we can not change biological sex, and it is clear that perverts and other criminals have taken advantage of some measures intended to help transgender people. I have found real women incredibly kind and supportive of me as a trans-woman. | |||
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"I would say people are entitled to freedom of speech. " I do love this argument. It's not saying that what someone says is useful, worthwhile, logical, correct, moral, or anything positive. It's not saying that saying it will let you keep your job. All it's saying is that the government will not prosecute you for saying it, because the government has decided that it is in the interests of their political system to permit speech (even if diabolical). That is the one thing that is positive about the noxious bile that that creature spews. She won't be arrested for it. | |||
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"Fell asleep after 15 minutes of the first Potter film. Boring. Tried the Potter Books. Gave up after one chapter. Boring. Not knocking people who enjoy her work and success though and to be fair everyone should be able to have an opinion and works both ways. Live and let live peoples Is Tom feeling ok?" Tom feeling very well thank you | |||
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"Can't stand the cis woman. So you purposely refer to her in a way she doesn’t want to be referred? Would you do that to a trans person on purpose like some people do? I find that quite obnoxious. CIS is just a stupid term and unnecessary. I have to admit I don’t even know what CIS means It's a Latin term meaning "on this side of", and in this context is short for cisgender, which just means your gender identity matches your sex." Tom is a man.. Not a cis man.. Just a man .. | |||
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"Can't stand the cis woman. So you purposely refer to her in a way she doesn’t want to be referred? Would you do that to a trans person on purpose like some people do? I find that quite obnoxious. CIS is just a stupid term and unnecessary. I have to admit I don’t even know what CIS means It's a Latin term meaning "on this side of", and in this context is short for cisgender, which just means your gender identity matches your sex. Tom is a man.. Not a cis man.. Just a man .. What are your preferred pronouns Tom. He/Him or They/Them? I don't want to assume "Just use Tom. People call me Tom | |||
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"She created a great fantasy world in her books and the films are good but she's a social moron. Just because trans women exist doesn't mean anything is being taken away from cis women, stupid hill to die on." But why the need for the term is at all? It's superfluous. Mrs x | |||
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"I would say people are entitled to freedom of speech. I do love this argument. It's not saying that what someone says is useful, worthwhile, logical, correct, moral, or anything positive. It's not saying that saying it will let you keep your job. All it's saying is that the government will not prosecute you for saying it, because the government has decided that it is in the interests of their political system to permit speech (even if diabolical). That is the one thing that is positive about the noxious bile that that creature spews. She won't be arrested for it." “Noxious bile”? “Creature” The irony … you don’t like something she said and you fire disgusting insults at her. | |||
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"Just an anecdotal observation from this thread. Plenty of straight people supporting her across the board, and nearly (if not) every trans deriding her. " That’s not quite what I am seeing. | |||
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"She created a great fantasy world in her books and the films are good but she's a social moron. Just because trans women exist doesn't mean anything is being taken away from cis women, stupid hill to die on.But why the need for the term is at all? It's superfluous. Mrs x" The term 'cis' even, fat fingers mess you up at times ffs haha. Mrs x Mrs x | |||
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"I don’t like the way she exaggerated her past, she was not working class neither was she penniless. Middle class who lived out of a hotel while house was being renovated and wrote whilst in her brother in laws cafe! Also she pretends she never read any of Jill Murphys worst witch books, which lets face it, HP is a blatant plagiarism only she had the advertisement and backing to make it a world wide sensation where as Jill’s was localised to UK" Lived in a hotel while her house was being renovated? Where did you get that version of events? My understanding was that she was living on benefits and loans / handouts from friends . | |||
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"She created a great fantasy world in her books and the films are good but she's a social moron. Just because trans women exist doesn't mean anything is being taken away from cis women, stupid hill to die on.But why the need for the term is at all? It's superfluous. Mrs xThe term 'cis' even, fat fingers mess you up at times ffs haha. Mrs x Mrs x I don't see any issue with it. It's not an insult it's just a descriptor." But it's not needed. What is it describing that the term 'woman' doesn't already adequately describe? I'm not 'cis' anything, I'm just a woman, no extra description is needed. Mrs x | |||
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"She created a great fantasy world in her books and the films are good but she's a social moron. Just because trans women exist doesn't mean anything is being taken away from cis women, stupid hill to die on.But why the need for the term is at all? It's superfluous. Mrs xThe term 'cis' even, fat fingers mess you up at times ffs haha. Mrs x Mrs x I don't see any issue with it. It's not an insult it's just a descriptor. Many people do find it offensive. I don't find the word "tranny" offensive in relation to transgendered individuals, but many do so I don't tend to use it out of respect. " The biggest difference there being 'tranny' is a slur whereas 'cis' is not a slur. 'cis' is no different than using 'white' or 'black' when describing the skin colour of someone. | |||
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"She created a great fantasy world in her books and the films are good but she's a social moron. Just because trans women exist doesn't mean anything is being taken away from cis women, stupid hill to die on.But why the need for the term is at all? It's superfluous. Mrs xThe term 'cis' even, fat fingers mess you up at times ffs haha. Mrs x Mrs x I don't see any issue with it. It's not an insult it's just a descriptor. Many people do find it offensive. I don't find the word "tranny" offensive in relation to transgendered individuals, but many do so I don't tend to use it out of respect. The biggest difference there being 'tranny' is a slur whereas 'cis' is not a slur. 'cis' is no different than using 'white' or 'black' when describing the skin colour of someone." That's precisely my point. "Tranny" wasn't originally a slur, it's an abbreviation. You, and others, now treat it as a slur. "Cis" started as a descriptor but is now taken as a slur. You don't get to decide what other people find offensive, only they do. | |||
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"She created a great fantasy world in her books and the films are good but she's a social moron. Just because trans women exist doesn't mean anything is being taken away from cis women, stupid hill to die on.But why the need for the term is at all? It's superfluous. Mrs xThe term 'cis' even, fat fingers mess you up at times ffs haha. Mrs x Mrs x I don't see any issue with it. It's not an insult it's just a descriptor. Many people do find it offensive. I don't find the word "tranny" offensive in relation to transgendered individuals, but many do so I don't tend to use it out of respect. The biggest difference there being 'tranny' is a slur whereas 'cis' is not a slur. 'cis' is no different than using 'white' or 'black' when describing the skin colour of someone." But it adds nothing to be description of a woman. Everyone knows what a woman is and does not required any additional term to describe it. The term 'Trans" however is a descriptor used to distinguish someone who has 'transitioned' to who they identify as currently. As a woman I need no additional term to describe myself until such time as I decide to transition into a trans man. Mrs x | |||
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"She created a great fantasy world in her books and the films are good but she's a social moron. Just because trans women exist doesn't mean anything is being taken away from cis women, stupid hill to die on.But why the need for the term is at all? It's superfluous. Mrs xThe term 'cis' even, fat fingers mess you up at times ffs haha. Mrs x Mrs x I don't see any issue with it. It's not an insult it's just a descriptor. Many people do find it offensive. I don't find the word "tranny" offensive in relation to transgendered individuals, but many do so I don't tend to use it out of respect. The biggest difference there being 'tranny' is a slur whereas 'cis' is not a slur. 'cis' is no different than using 'white' or 'black' when describing the skin colour of someone.But it adds nothing to be description of a woman. Everyone knows what a woman is and does not required any additional term to describe it. The term 'Trans" however is a descriptor used to distinguish someone who has 'transitioned' to who they identify as currently. As a woman I need no additional term to describe myself until such time as I decide to transition into a trans man. Mrs x" This . | |||
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"She created a great fantasy world in her books and the films are good but she's a social moron. Just because trans women exist doesn't mean anything is being taken away from cis women, stupid hill to die on.But why the need for the term is at all? It's superfluous. Mrs xThe term 'cis' even, fat fingers mess you up at times ffs haha. Mrs x Mrs x I don't see any issue with it. It's not an insult it's just a descriptor. Many people do find it offensive. I don't find the word "tranny" offensive in relation to transgendered individuals, but many do so I don't tend to use it out of respect. The biggest difference there being 'tranny' is a slur whereas 'cis' is not a slur. 'cis' is no different than using 'white' or 'black' when describing the skin colour of someone." Cis is helpful and often disparaging. | |||
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"She created a great fantasy world in her books and the films are good but she's a social moron. Just because trans women exist doesn't mean anything is being taken away from cis women, stupid hill to die on.But why the need for the term is at all? It's superfluous. Mrs xThe term 'cis' even, fat fingers mess you up at times ffs haha. Mrs x Mrs x I don't see any issue with it. It's not an insult it's just a descriptor. Many people do find it offensive. I don't find the word "tranny" offensive in relation to transgendered individuals, but many do so I don't tend to use it out of respect. The biggest difference there being 'tranny' is a slur whereas 'cis' is not a slur. 'cis' is no different than using 'white' or 'black' when describing the skin colour of someone. Cis is helpful and often disparaging. " How is the term 'Cis' helpful? Mrs x | |||
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"She created a great fantasy world in her books and the films are good but she's a social moron. Just because trans women exist doesn't mean anything is being taken away from cis women, stupid hill to die on.But why the need for the term is at all? It's superfluous. Mrs xThe term 'cis' even, fat fingers mess you up at times ffs haha. Mrs x Mrs x I don't see any issue with it. It's not an insult it's just a descriptor. Many people do find it offensive. I don't find the word "tranny" offensive in relation to transgendered individuals, but many do so I don't tend to use it out of respect. The biggest difference there being 'tranny' is a slur whereas 'cis' is not a slur. 'cis' is no different than using 'white' or 'black' when describing the skin colour of someone. Cis is helpful and often disparaging. How is the term 'Cis' helpful? Mrs x" Lol. Not helpful he meant | |||
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"She created a great fantasy world in her books and the films are good but she's a social moron. Just because trans women exist doesn't mean anything is being taken away from cis women, stupid hill to die on.But why the need for the term is at all? It's superfluous. Mrs xThe term 'cis' even, fat fingers mess you up at times ffs haha. Mrs x Mrs x I don't see any issue with it. It's not an insult it's just a descriptor. Many people do find it offensive. I don't find the word "tranny" offensive in relation to transgendered individuals, but many do so I don't tend to use it out of respect. The biggest difference there being 'tranny' is a slur whereas 'cis' is not a slur. 'cis' is no different than using 'white' or 'black' when describing the skin colour of someone. Cis is helpful and often disparaging. How is the term 'Cis' helpful? Mrs x Lol. Not helpful he meant" Normally it's the original that keeps the original term for itself and anything new requires some sort of descriptor to distinguish itself from the original. The Mona Lisa is the original. Copies can be made that a fantastic and accurate down to the smallest detail. It could be almost impossible to tell the apart to most people. But if it's not the original it's not the Mona Lisa, no matter how much the artist who created it would want it to be. This situation does not require the original to be prefixed with the term Cis to distinguish it from the copy. This is the same for most things. Pepsi is the original and is known as Pepsi, not Cis Pepsi, Original Pepsi or any other descriptor you can think of. All the other versions of Pepsi have descriptors to show they are a derivative of the original. So you have Diet, Max, Cherry, Diet Cherry and so on. They may be all lovely and be based upon the original but they are not the original. Yes I know that the recipe has probably undergone change from it's inception but you know where I am going with this. Pepsi needs nothing 'extra' to say what it is whilst all the different versions of this drink do. Trademark law exists for this very reason. The original, trademarked first, can call itself whatever it wants. Any subsequent similar, virtually identical, product has to distinguish itself from the original, it has to call itself something different or distinguish itself from the original. The original on the other hand is under no obligation to do so, it's not required to put 'Cis' at the front of its name. I think there's a reason that the tiny proportion of the population pushed for the use of another descriptor for woman but I'm not sure it adds anything to what I'm trying to say now. I'm just a woman, I'm not a 'Cis' anything, please don't call me that. Some in the trans community are so quick to call for others not to misidentify them, please show woman the same consideration. Mrs x | |||
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"She created a great fantasy world in her books and the films are good but she's a social moron. Just because trans women exist doesn't mean anything is being taken away from cis women, stupid hill to die on.But why the need for the term is at all? It's superfluous. Mrs xThe term 'cis' even, fat fingers mess you up at times ffs haha. Mrs x Mrs x I don't see any issue with it. It's not an insult it's just a descriptor. Many people do find it offensive. I don't find the word "tranny" offensive in relation to transgendered individuals, but many do so I don't tend to use it out of respect. The biggest difference there being 'tranny' is a slur whereas 'cis' is not a slur. 'cis' is no different than using 'white' or 'black' when describing the skin colour of someone. Cis is helpful and often disparaging. How is the term 'Cis' helpful? Mrs x Lol. Not helpful he meant Normally it's the original that keeps the original term for itself and anything new requires some sort of descriptor to distinguish itself from the original. The Mona Lisa is the original. Copies can be made that a fantastic and accurate down to the smallest detail. It could be almost impossible to tell the apart to most people. But if it's not the original it's not the Mona Lisa, no matter how much the artist who created it would want it to be. This situation does not require the original to be prefixed with the term Cis to distinguish it from the copy. This is the same for most things. Pepsi is the original and is known as Pepsi, not Cis Pepsi, Original Pepsi or any other descriptor you can think of. All the other versions of Pepsi have descriptors to show they are a derivative of the original. So you have Diet, Max, Cherry, Diet Cherry and so on. They may be all lovely and be based upon the original but they are not the original. Yes I know that the recipe has probably undergone change from it's inception but you know where I am going with this. Pepsi needs nothing 'extra' to say what it is whilst all the different versions of this drink do. Trademark law exists for this very reason. The original, trademarked first, can call itself whatever it wants. Any subsequent similar, virtually identical, product has to distinguish itself from the original, it has to call itself something different or distinguish itself from the original. The original on the other hand is under no obligation to do so, it's not required to put 'Cis' at the front of its name. I think there's a reason that the tiny proportion of the population pushed for the use of another descriptor for woman but I'm not sure it adds anything to what I'm trying to say now. I'm just a woman, I'm not a 'Cis' anything, please don't call me that. Some in the trans community are so quick to call for others not to misidentify them, please show woman the same consideration. Mrs x " Far more eloquently put than Old Tom ever could | |||
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