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"....to wear a pronoun badge, how would you feel about that? " Feels like progress! | |||
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"I don't enjoy wearing anything that suggests i work for somebody "Walking advertisement | |||
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There is only male and female.
As for anything else that's a personal thing, and I will respect others choices. I'd prefer to just have my name on my badge, gender should have no place in the workplace, we are just people | |||
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"I don't enjoy wearing anything that suggests i work for somebody
Walking advertisement "well thats what they want obviously for you to advertise their business, in fact more and more businesses because they pay you think they own you | |||
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"I don't enjoy wearing anything that suggests i work for somebody
Walking advertisement well thats what they want obviously for you to advertise their business, in fact more and more businesses because they pay you think they own you "My old papa use to say that if I ever wore name brand stuff, I tried wearing a burlap sack but he accused me of trying to promote chip shops | |||
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"....to wear a pronoun badge, how would you feel about that? " Why would they do that? Did your employer ask you to? | |||
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"....to wear a pronoun badge, how would you feel about that? Why would they do that? Did your employer ask you to? " No | |||
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"I have my pronouns and try to gently educate others on why they should have theirs too "Do you believe everyone should use pronouns? | |||
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"I have my pronouns and try to gently educate others on why they should have theirs too
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"I have my pronouns and try to gently educate others on why they should have theirs too
Do you believe everyone should use pronouns? ""you" is a pronoun. | |||
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"My work place updated the name badges so that those that wish to state their pronouns can and those that don't don't have to. Simples. " Yes it should always be a choice and not a requirement | |||
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"I have my pronouns and try to gently educate others on why they should have theirs too
Do you believe everyone should use pronouns?
"you" is a pronoun."I identify as you | |||
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"I have my pronouns and try to gently educate others on why they should have theirs too
Do you believe everyone should use pronouns?
"you" is a pronoun.
I identify as you"Have the culture wars so rotted our collective minds that we forget what pronouns are and what they're for? I is also a pronoun. btw | |||
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"I have my pronouns and try to gently educate others on why they should have theirs too
Do you believe everyone should use pronouns? "In an ideal world, yes | |||
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"I have my pronouns and try to gently educate others on why they should have theirs too
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In an ideal world, yes"The dumb thing is, everyone does. Even the people in here saying that it's obvious what their pronouns are... are using pronouns. Both as an identifier and in their grammatical sense. Quite why this is a culture war issue I don't know. | |||
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"I have visited places where the pronouns are on thier badges, but I usually call everyone luv or mate. Coming from Merseyside, you can get away with it." Yeah I still use mate and buddy or in Wales it's butt | |||
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"I have my pronouns and try to gently educate others on why they should have theirs too "If someone got my gender wrong, I'd much rather gently correct them. And move on. Not a chance I'd wear a badge. All feels a little entitled | |||
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"I have my pronouns and try to gently educate others on why they should have theirs too
If someone got my gender wrong, I'd much rather gently correct them. And move on. Not a chance I'd wear a badge. All feels a little entitled "I feel like a badge is less intrusive than a correction. It's there, you can look it, or you can not look at it. (I wouldn't have one for work because I sit at home alone. My houseplant doesn't use pronouns) | |||
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"I choose to wear one, and in reality, even in the DEI industry these badges are almost always optional. My pronouns are to most self evident, but I wear a badge as an act of allyship for those who may feel uncomfortable asking to be addressed by alternative pronouns. If you can make someone feel included just by working a little harder, why wouldn't you? Ps Gender and sexuality are completely separate. "  | |||
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"I identify as i " Hi i | |||
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"....to wear a pronoun badge, how would you feel about that? " I'd refuse! | |||
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"Pronouns - a grammatical tool to use a shorthand to refer to something where you already know what it is, or it's implied. Pronouns in English include I, you, he/she/it, we, and they. Or they're the apocalypse or cats marrying dogs. Hard to say really. The apocalypse thing really is more lucrative for some people who'll sell any old shit to anyone who'll buy it. " Like the bath and brew shower coffee maker I was once gifted (look it up, actual product) | |||
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"Pronouns - a grammatical tool to use a shorthand to refer to something where you already know what it is, or it's implied. Pronouns in English include I, you, he/she/it, we, and they. Or they're the apocalypse or cats marrying dogs. Hard to say really. The apocalypse thing really is more lucrative for some people who'll sell any old shit to anyone who'll buy it. Like the bath and brew shower coffee maker I was once gifted (look it up, actual product) " Indeed. Some people really will lap up anything if it makes them feel better. Like forgetting primary school grammar lessons in favour of a fury wank about the horrors of using grammar you use in almost every sentence you ever produce. Oh noes! | |||
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"Pronouns - a grammatical tool to use a shorthand to refer to something where you already know what it is, or it's implied. Pronouns in English include I, you, he/she/it, we, and they. Or they're the apocalypse or cats marrying dogs. Hard to say really. The apocalypse thing really is more lucrative for some people who'll sell any old shit to anyone who'll buy it. Like the bath and brew shower coffee maker I was once gifted (look it up, actual product) Indeed. Some people really will lap up anything if it makes them feel better. Like forgetting primary school grammar lessons in favour of a fury wank about the horrors of using grammar you use in almost every sentence you ever produce. Oh noes!" I grew cress | |||
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"Someone’s name is sufficient as that’s what I’d use to refer to them. Their sexuality or how they want to be seen does not make any difference to me. K What if you hadn't seen them and the name is unfamiliar? So many of my colleagues i have no idea of their sex, or identity until I see them on the screen " | |||
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"....to wear a pronoun badge, how would you feel about that? " My job asks me to do a lot of unreasonable things so a pronoun badge meh wouldn’t bother me although the risk of it being ripped of and stabbed with it is high!!!  | |||
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"Pronouns - a grammatical tool to use a shorthand to refer to something where you already know what it is, or it's implied. Pronouns in English include I, you, he/she/it, we, and they. Or they're the apocalypse or cats marrying dogs. Hard to say really. The apocalypse thing really is more lucrative for some people who'll sell any old shit to anyone who'll buy it. Like the bath and brew shower coffee maker I was once gifted (look it up, actual product) Indeed. Some people really will lap up anything if it makes them feel better. Like forgetting primary school grammar lessons in favour of a fury wank about the horrors of using grammar you use in almost every sentence you ever produce. Oh noes! I grew cress " So how did you learn to write if you grew cress between the ages of 4 and 11? Your writing is impeccable for someone who's been deprived of their right to a basic education. I'm impressed. | |||
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"Pronouns - a grammatical tool to use a shorthand to refer to something where you already know what it is, or it's implied. Pronouns in English include I, you, he/she/it, we, and they. Or they're the apocalypse or cats marrying dogs. Hard to say really. The apocalypse thing really is more lucrative for some people who'll sell any old shit to anyone who'll buy it. Like the bath and brew shower coffee maker I was once gifted (look it up, actual product) Indeed. Some people really will lap up anything if it makes them feel better. Like forgetting primary school grammar lessons in favour of a fury wank about the horrors of using grammar you use in almost every sentence you ever produce. Oh noes! I grew cress So how did you learn to write if you grew cress between the ages of 4 and 11? Your writing is impeccable for someone who's been deprived of their right to a basic education. I'm impressed." Actually my spelling is impeccable. My writing, as of yet remains to be seen by anyone on this site except the forum mod who approved us. I'll never forget how horrible that cress was | |||
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"Pronouns - a grammatical tool to use a shorthand to refer to something where you already know what it is, or it's implied. Pronouns in English include I, you, he/she/it, we, and they. Or they're the apocalypse or cats marrying dogs. Hard to say really. The apocalypse thing really is more lucrative for some people who'll sell any old shit to anyone who'll buy it. Like the bath and brew shower coffee maker I was once gifted (look it up, actual product) Indeed. Some people really will lap up anything if it makes them feel better. Like forgetting primary school grammar lessons in favour of a fury wank about the horrors of using grammar you use in almost every sentence you ever produce. Oh noes! I grew cress So how did you learn to write if you grew cress between the ages of 4 and 11? Your writing is impeccable for someone who's been deprived of their right to a basic education. I'm impressed. Actually my spelling is impeccable. My writing, as of yet remains to be seen by anyone on this site except the forum mod who approved us. I'll never forget how horrible that cress was" Apologies, you might be unfamiliar with the concept that "writing" has more than one meaning. In this case it doesn't mean penmanship, it means construction of sentences - syntax and grammar. I imagine you tended to it too much if you were not given basic English lessons in lieu of tending to it. | |||
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"I remember similar discussions when 'Ms' first started being used " I remember being about eight and being screamed at by some parent because some other parent (not mine!) had gotten a divorce and had become "Ms Maidenname". Apparently feminism was ruining everything and Ms x was bitter and divorced and this would lead to chaos, chaos I tell you! Even at that impressionable age, I kinda wondered what Mrs Tradition had lodged up her butt and if the doctor could treat it. | |||
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"Pronouns - a grammatical tool to use a shorthand to refer to something where you already know what it is, or it's implied. Pronouns in English include I, you, he/she/it, we, and they. Or they're the apocalypse or cats marrying dogs. Hard to say really. The apocalypse thing really is more lucrative for some people who'll sell any old shit to anyone who'll buy it. Like the bath and brew shower coffee maker I was once gifted (look it up, actual product) Indeed. Some people really will lap up anything if it makes them feel better. Like forgetting primary school grammar lessons in favour of a fury wank about the horrors of using grammar you use in almost every sentence you ever produce. Oh noes! I grew cress So how did you learn to write if you grew cress between the ages of 4 and 11? Your writing is impeccable for someone who's been deprived of their right to a basic education. I'm impressed. Actually my spelling is impeccable. My writing, as of yet remains to be seen by anyone on this site except the forum mod who approved us. I'll never forget how horrible that cress was Apologies, you might be unfamiliar with the concept that "writing" has more than one meaning. In this case it doesn't mean penmanship, it means construction of sentences - syntax and grammar. I imagine you tended to it too much if you were not given basic English lessons in lieu of tending to it." I suppose that's what happens when you skip school to grow horrible vegetables (???) | |||
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"I remember similar discussions when 'Ms' first started being used " So because I'm unmarried does that mean I technically can't call my fiancee "the missus" | |||
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"I remember similar discussions when 'Ms' first started being used So because I'm unmarried does that mean I technically can't call my fiancee "the missus" " Why on earth would it mean that? It wasn't designed to stop people calling their partner what they wanted to (as long as their partner was ok with it) but for people to have an alternative to Miss or Mrs if they wanted it. | |||
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"Someone’s name is sufficient as that’s what I’d use to refer to them. Their sexuality or how they want to be seen does not make any difference to me. K What if you hadn't seen them and the name is unfamiliar? So many of my colleagues i have no idea of their sex, or identity until I see them on the screen " So would you not just use their name in an email back? If I talking to someone directly I’d never need to use their pronoun, just their name. If I was referring to them, I’d use their name instead of saying he/she/them. A lot of names now you wouldn’t be able to determine which sex they were anyway. If on zoom wouldn't they have their name as well as their pronoun so you’d just use their name. The only way I (my little pea sized brain) can think you’d refer to a pronoun straight from the off would be if someone was further in the distance and you automatically assumed gender, in which case a badge makes no difference anyway, until you got close enough to read. K | |||
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"Someone’s name is sufficient as that’s what I’d use to refer to them. Their sexuality or how they want to be seen does not make any difference to me. K What if you hadn't seen them and the name is unfamiliar? So many of my colleagues i have no idea of their sex, or identity until I see them on the screen So would you not just use their name in an email back? If I talking to someone directly I’d never need to use their pronoun, just their name. If I was referring to them, I’d use their name instead of saying he/she/them. A lot of names now you wouldn’t be able to determine which sex they were anyway. If on zoom wouldn't they have their name as well as their pronoun so you’d just use their name. The only way I (my little pea sized brain) can think you’d refer to a pronoun straight from the off would be if someone was further in the distance and you automatically assumed gender, in which case a badge makes no difference anyway, until you got close enough to read. K" If you're talking about someone else you usually Need a pronoun unless you use their name all the time. Eg "I like Cedric, Cedric is a nice person, do you know Cedric?" as opposed to "I like Cedric, he/she/they/it etc are a nice person, do you know him/her/them/it etc" | |||
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"Someone’s name is sufficient as that’s what I’d use to refer to them. Their sexuality or how they want to be seen does not make any difference to me. K What if you hadn't seen them and the name is unfamiliar? So many of my colleagues i have no idea of their sex, or identity until I see them on the screen So would you not just use their name in an email back? If I talking to someone directly I’d never need to use their pronoun, just their name. If I was referring to them, I’d use their name instead of saying he/she/them. A lot of names now you wouldn’t be able to determine which sex they were anyway. If on zoom wouldn't they have their name as well as their pronoun so you’d just use their name. The only way I (my little pea sized brain) can think you’d refer to a pronoun straight from the off would be if someone was further in the distance and you automatically assumed gender, in which case a badge makes no difference anyway, until you got close enough to read. K If you're talking about someone else you usually Need a pronoun unless you use their name all the time. Eg "I like Cedric, Cedric is a nice person, do you know Cedric?" as opposed to "I like Cedric, he/she/they/it etc are a nice person, do you know him/her/them/it etc"" Also, I've noticed that people tend to treat women and men (etc) differently. When I'm with trans friends who are dressed androgynously, I notice random strangers treat them differently and it aligns pretty well with whether they're calling them "love" or "mate". It's one of those "treat people as they want to be treated" things, which seems pretty basic to me. | |||
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"Someone’s name is sufficient as that’s what I’d use to refer to them. Their sexuality or how they want to be seen does not make any difference to me. K What if you hadn't seen them and the name is unfamiliar? So many of my colleagues i have no idea of their sex, or identity until I see them on the screen So would you not just use their name in an email back? If I talking to someone directly I’d never need to use their pronoun, just their name. If I was referring to them, I’d use their name instead of saying he/she/them. A lot of names now you wouldn’t be able to determine which sex they were anyway. If on zoom wouldn't they have their name as well as their pronoun so you’d just use their name. The only way I (my little pea sized brain) can think you’d refer to a pronoun straight from the off would be if someone was further in the distance and you automatically assumed gender, in which case a badge makes no difference anyway, until you got close enough to read. K If you're talking about someone else you usually Need a pronoun unless you use their name all the time. Eg "I like Cedric, Cedric is a nice person, do you know Cedric?" as opposed to "I like Cedric, he/she/they/it etc are a nice person, do you know him/her/them/it etc" Also, I've noticed that people tend to treat women and men (etc) differently. When I'm with trans friends who are dressed androgynously, I notice random strangers treat them differently and it aligns pretty well with whether they're calling them "love" or "mate". It's one of those "treat people as they want to be treated" things, which seems pretty basic to me." I understand that it's pretty difficult for people to adjust to. I wouldn't even start to try and explain this to my dad for instance it would just confuse him. He's desperately worried about one of his male great grandchildren who has long hair for instance, if I start trying to get him to understand this he'd explode  . It'll take time but I suspect that most of the people being born in this decade won't even question it. | |||
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"I remember similar discussions when 'Ms' first started being used So because I'm unmarried does that mean I technically can't call my fiancee "the missus" Why on earth would it mean that? It wasn't designed to stop people calling their partner what they wanted to (as long as their partner was ok with it) but for people to have an alternative to Miss or Mrs if they wanted it. " You're right, I'll just call her mate | |||
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"I remember similar discussions when 'Ms' first started being used So because I'm unmarried does that mean I technically can't call my fiancee "the missus" Why on earth would it mean that? It wasn't designed to stop people calling their partner what they wanted to (as long as their partner was ok with it) but for people to have an alternative to Miss or Mrs if they wanted it. You're right, I'll just call her mate " Do, we often call each other 'mate' | |||
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"Someone’s name is sufficient as that’s what I’d use to refer to them. Their sexuality or how they want to be seen does not make any difference to me. K What if you hadn't seen them and the name is unfamiliar? So many of my colleagues i have no idea of their sex, or identity until I see them on the screen So would you not just use their name in an email back? If I talking to someone directly I’d never need to use their pronoun, just their name. If I was referring to them, I’d use their name instead of saying he/she/them. A lot of names now you wouldn’t be able to determine which sex they were anyway. If on zoom wouldn't they have their name as well as their pronoun so you’d just use their name. The only way I (my little pea sized brain) can think you’d refer to a pronoun straight from the off would be if someone was further in the distance and you automatically assumed gender, in which case a badge makes no difference anyway, until you got close enough to read. K If you're talking about someone else you usually Need a pronoun unless you use their name all the time. Eg "I like Cedric, Cedric is a nice person, do you know Cedric?" as opposed to "I like Cedric, he/she/they/it etc are a nice person, do you know him/her/them/it etc" Also, I've noticed that people tend to treat women and men (etc) differently. When I'm with trans friends who are dressed androgynously, I notice random strangers treat them differently and it aligns pretty well with whether they're calling them "love" or "mate". It's one of those "treat people as they want to be treated" things, which seems pretty basic to me. I understand that it's pretty difficult for people to adjust to. I wouldn't even start to try and explain this to my dad for instance it would just confuse him. He's desperately worried about one of his male great grandchildren who has long hair for instance, if I start trying to get him to understand this he'd explode . It'll take time but I suspect that most of the people being born in this decade won't even question it."Yeah, I'm less worried about the elderly, and more worried about people who aren't elderly causing a big hoo ha about... almost nothing? Like, you're not going to untrans someone by being rude to them. Being rude is just being rude, and people who use pronouns (including those who identify as their gender assigned at birth) can quickly identify those who choose to be rude, and take appropriate defensive action. | |||
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"I remember similar discussions when 'Ms' first started being used So because I'm unmarried does that mean I technically can't call my fiancee "the missus" Why on earth would it mean that? It wasn't designed to stop people calling their partner what they wanted to (as long as their partner was ok with it) but for people to have an alternative to Miss or Mrs if they wanted it. You're right, I'll just call her mate Do, we often call each other 'mate'" But never her actual name. I always found calling my lady by her name felt weird, referring to her by name but saying hey Maria always felt off | |||
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"^^ I think there needs to be an adjustment period. If someone who I'm used to calling 'him' asks me to use 'her' I'm going to take a while to adjust and I will make mistakes. For no other reason than I'll just forget or I'm so used to using him that it'll just slip out. I hope people will understand that" I think the online hand wringing is actually worse than it is in practice. It's usually obvious when someone is trying to be a jerk as opposed to not knowing. And most people are gracious at the first (even second) mistake, particularly when people go to correct themselves (sign of sincerity). It's the people who go around going "Swing, he he he he HE did this, oh he's so uppity thinking he can tell me what to do, and I'm going to tell HIM to his face". At that point I'm thinking, ok edgelord, and I walk away. | |||
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"I had this conversation with work a ew years ago. I told them if they force me to use pronouns, then I will sign all my emals with ... yours sincerely Fortyswitch F**king C**t Although I would have used my real name, and not the asterisks. Surprisingly, they did not enforce the stupid rule!" You've just used several pronouns. | |||
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"Is it just pandering to the attention seeking (and shit stirring) minority." adverts do it why shouldn't they | |||
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"Wouldn't bother me. It would take no effort to wear one ,has no effect on me and might make someone else more comfortable so why not." This, and I already have my pronouns in my email signature block | |||
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"I work for myself but if I was an employee I’d say yes and proceed to pick the most ridiculous sounding ones I can think of to annoy everyone who sees them " Why? | |||
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"....to wear a pronoun badge, how would you feel about that? Why would they do that? Did your employer ask you to? No" Why would they? Or are you asking a question about a hypothetical situation that you don’t even think might happen? | |||
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"I had this conversation with work a ew years ago. I told them if they force me to use pronouns, then I will sign all my emals with ... yours sincerely Fortyswitch F**king C**t Although I would have used my real name, and not the asterisks. Surprisingly, they did not enforce the stupid rule!" You actually said that? And they didn’t sack you? I would sack anyone who reacted like that | |||
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"I work for myself but if I was an employee I’d say yes and proceed to pick the most ridiculous sounding ones I can think of to annoy everyone who sees them What pronouns would be ridiculous then? " Since Im not actually in that situation I’m not expending any energy picking now, I can identify as anything on the planet as my choosing so if I was id carefully choose the most ridiculous thing I could find | |||
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"In what jobs do people actually have to wear a name badge anyway? Hotel receptionist and mcdonalds? " People who work in education, quite a lot of retail staff and loads of admin jobs | |||
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"In what jobs do people actually have to wear a name badge anyway? Hotel receptionist and mcdonalds? " Most corporate jobs that require photo id to be worn at all times | |||
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"In what jobs do people actually have to wear a name badge anyway? Hotel receptionist and mcdonalds? " Health care professionals. | |||
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"How many times have you been asked by someone to ask their pronouns though?, personally I haven’t ever - so I wouldn’t want to wear a badge, rather go by my name than any other label…" We went through a phase at work a couple of years where a few of the younger members of staff were _very_ keen to make sure we all understood their pronouns. That only lasted a few months and they don’t seem to care anymore. | |||
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"....to wear a pronoun badge, how would you feel about that? " It wouldn't be any skin off our noses. The students get everyone's pronouns wrong anyway so I'd still get called him/Mr/Sir on the regular. We're encouraged, but not mandated, to have pronouns in our email signature. | |||
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"How many times have you been asked by someone to ask their pronouns though?, personally I haven’t ever - so I wouldn’t want to wear a badge, rather go by my name than any other label…" It would have your name too. I don't think anyone anywhere is suggesting we go about calling each other he or she and not using names. | |||
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"I work for myself but if I was an employee I’d say yes and proceed to pick the most ridiculous sounding ones I can think of to annoy everyone who sees them What pronouns would be ridiculous then? " Neo pronouns | |||
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If given the choice, I wouldn’t have my pronouns on a name badge (as I think it would be unnecessary for me) but if others would like their pronouns added, then that’s up to them and have no problem with it | |||
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"....to wear a pronoun badge, how would you feel about that? " what i found more in my previous roles was that they were putting this on the bottom of emails | |||
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"It should be a personal choice. For me it’s a no and you should not be forced to wear a badge. If you really want to wear a badge then great that is your choice and I will back your right to wear it but I have a right to not to x" True. But if you don't wear a badge, I don't know whether to call you Sir/Madam/They or whatever, and thus all I can call you is "Excuse me...erm..you" or "Pardon me, person", and that's just rude isn't it ? . I was brought up to address people as Sir/Madam and I have to drop that now and it feels clumsy. A badge would help the greeting process get back on track to being respectful wouldn't it ? | |||
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" But if you don't wear a badge, I don't know whether to call you Sir/Madam/They or whatever, and thus all I can call you is "Excuse me...erm..you" or "Pardon me, person", and that's just rude isn't it ? . I was brought up to address people as Sir/Madam and I have to drop that now and it feels clumsy. A badge would help the greeting process get back on track to being respectful wouldn't it ?" When you were brought up to address people as Sir/Madam, how did you decide which to use, because I’m guessing most were not wearing a badge telling you which to use. | |||
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"It should be a personal choice. For me it’s a no and you should not be forced to wear a badge. If you really want to wear a badge then great that is your choice and I will back your right to wear it but I have a right to not to x True. But if you don't wear a badge, I don't know whether to call you Sir/Madam/They or whatever, and thus all I can call you is "Excuse me...erm..you" or "Pardon me, person", and that's just rude isn't it ? . I was brought up to address people as Sir/Madam and I have to drop that now and it feels clumsy. A badge would help the greeting process get back on track to being respectful wouldn't it ?" I agree with what you are saying but it’s going to be obvious how you address me just have a look at my profile picture. What I am trying to say is yes if you want to be addressed in a certain way wear a badge and put it on the bottom of your email. And I will fight for your right to do that! I just think that I should not be forced to wear a badge or declare a pronoun when it is not an issue for me in any way! | |||
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"I have to wear a building pass with my name and photo on, which is fine. I'd feel it rather unnecessary to add a pronoun as its quite obvious I'm female. And someone calling me Sir/mr/he wouldn't bother me, I'd just giggle. Plus, you CAN address someone directly without referring to their preferred pronouns ie. "Excuse me, can you help me?" So I'd argue is it necessary? " I think that is what I am trying to say but you said it much better than me x | |||
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" But if you don't wear a badge, I don't know whether to call you Sir/Madam/They or whatever, and thus all I can call you is "Excuse me...erm..you" or "Pardon me, person", and that's just rude isn't it ? . I was brought up to address people as Sir/Madam and I have to drop that now and it feels clumsy. A badge would help the greeting process get back on track to being respectful wouldn't it ? When you were brought up to address people as Sir/Madam, how did you decide which to use, because I’m guessing most were not wearing a badge telling you which to use. " Well, obviously by visual clues as to their gender. However those days are gone and I'm quite happy with that. So I assume nothing these days, and I'm fine with that too. | |||
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" I agree with what you are saying but it’s going to be obvious how you address me just have a look at my profile picture. " That's the dilemma though, isn't it ? I cannot assume you identify as a male just by looking at your photo. My default setting is now "Undetermined, until either told or I ask". Not everyone is comfortable asking, and not every tells either. I think I'll default to "Hello Earthling". Though I do worry the next time I use it, someone might whisper conspiritationally to me, "Shssh ! Are you one of us?". In which case they've just outed themselves as not an Earthling. Which would be amusing, since neither am I | |||
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"I had this conversation with work a ew years ago. I told them if they force me to use pronouns, then I will sign all my emals with ... yours sincerely Fortyswitch F**king C**t Although I would have used my real name, and not the asterisks. Surprisingly, they did not enforce the stupid rule! You actually said that? And they didn’t sack you? I would sack anyone who reacted like that " IT was in a meeting. And no, it wasnot a sackable offence. Why would you think otherwise? What reason would you have for sacking? the point raised, and later discussed was if you demand I use your pronouns, then you must also use mine. And mie might be quite offensive. Otherwise, we all just peoples naes instead. | |||
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"I work for myself but if I was an employee I’d say yes and proceed to pick the most ridiculous sounding ones I can think of to annoy everyone who sees them What pronouns would be ridiculous then? Since Im not actually in that situation I’m not expending any energy picking now, I can identify as anything on the planet as my choosing so if I was id carefully choose the most ridiculous thing I could find " I’m still not sure what pronouns you consider to be ridiculous. There’s only a handful of them … Can you please answer? | |||
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"I had this conversation with work a ew years ago. I told them if they force me to use pronouns, then I will sign all my emals with ... yours sincerely Fortyswitch F**king C**t Although I would have used my real name, and not the asterisks. Surprisingly, they did not enforce the stupid rule! You actually said that? And they didn’t sack you? I would sack anyone who reacted like that IT was in a meeting. And no, it wasnot a sackable offence. Why would you think otherwise? What reason would you have for sacking? the point raised, and later discussed was if you demand I use your pronouns, then you must also use mine. And mie might be quite offensive. Otherwise, we all just peoples naes instead. " The words you used are not pronouns though. Seriously, in any work environment I’ve been in, I would sack someone for behaving like that in the workplace. They would be free to object, and free to discuss, but I would definitely sack someone for that sort of conduct. And I have worked in a range of industries, in several countries. | |||
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"What are pronouns? " You honestly don’t know? | |||
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"What are pronouns? You honestly don’t know? " This whole thread shows how few people understand pronouns - and how common courtesy has been turned into a fury wank. | |||
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"I work for myself but if I was an employee I’d say yes and proceed to pick the most ridiculous sounding ones I can think of to annoy everyone who sees them What pronouns would be ridiculous then? Since Im not actually in that situation I’m not expending any energy picking now, I can identify as anything on the planet as my choosing so if I was id carefully choose the most ridiculous thing I could find I’m still not sure what pronouns you consider to be ridiculous. There’s only a handful of them … Can you please answer? " So if I want to identify as Boeing AH-64 Apache what are my pronouns? | |||
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"I work for myself but if I was an employee I’d say yes and proceed to pick the most ridiculous sounding ones I can think of to annoy everyone who sees them What pronouns would be ridiculous then? Since Im not actually in that situation I’m not expending any energy picking now, I can identify as anything on the planet as my choosing so if I was id carefully choose the most ridiculous thing I could find I’m still not sure what pronouns you consider to be ridiculous. There’s only a handful of them … Can you please answer? So if I want to identify as Boeing AH-64 Apache what are my pronouns?" That's up for you to determine. The vast majority of people pick from the pronouns that already exist - neopronouns have largely fallen into disuse, although I'm sure there are exceptions. The usual formulation of pronouns, when presented, are (subject singular)/ (possessive). For example, he/him, she/her, they/their (and sometimes mixed up from our traditional grammar books, such as she/their). Pronouns are a function of how you identify - not what you identify as. Someone could want to be called Peter and have pronouns of she/her if she wanted to. They're not just random words. | |||
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"I work for myself but if I was an employee I’d say yes and proceed to pick the most ridiculous sounding ones I can think of to annoy everyone who sees them What pronouns would be ridiculous then? Since Im not actually in that situation I’m not expending any energy picking now, I can identify as anything on the planet as my choosing so if I was id carefully choose the most ridiculous thing I could find I’m still not sure what pronouns you consider to be ridiculous. There’s only a handful of them … Can you please answer? So if I want to identify as Boeing AH-64 Apache what are my pronouns? I realise that often when people say things like that, they’re endeavouring to point out how ridiculous they think that self identification is. " When I was younger, a lot of kids came over from countries where English was not the first language, and the children's given names were difficult for English speakers to pronounce. The children were often allowed to choose their own names, with unfortunate/ hilarious results. I'll admit I laughed in private, because it was jarring, but I took cues from Happy, Sunshine, Rainbow, etc as to how they wanted to be treated and addressed, and moved forward that way. I would have laid into someone who mocked them for the names they chose, even though the names were (at least culturally) ridiculous. | |||
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"....to wear a pronoun badge, how would you feel about that? " Wouldn't bother me at all. | |||
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"....to wear a pronoun badge, how would you feel about that? " • I'll be feeling more about the annual increase in salary that I'm negotiating with them than anything around pronouns. I'm happy with pronouns. I've been using them since pre-school. | |||
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"I work for myself but if I was an employee I’d say yes and proceed to pick the most ridiculous sounding ones I can think of to annoy everyone who sees them What pronouns would be ridiculous then? Since Im not actually in that situation I’m not expending any energy picking now, I can identify as anything on the planet as my choosing so if I was id carefully choose the most ridiculous thing I could find I’m still not sure what pronouns you consider to be ridiculous. There’s only a handful of them … Can you please answer? So if I want to identify as Boeing AH-64 Apache what are my pronouns?" I’m not sure what you mean. Are you saying that Boeing AH-64 apache is a gender? If so, then your pronoun is probably “it”. | |||
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"I work for myself but if I was an employee I’d say yes and proceed to pick the most ridiculous sounding ones I can think of to annoy everyone who sees them What pronouns would be ridiculous then? Since Im not actually in that situation I’m not expending any energy picking now, I can identify as anything on the planet as my choosing so if I was id carefully choose the most ridiculous thing I could find I’m still not sure what pronouns you consider to be ridiculous. There’s only a handful of them … Can you please answer? So if I want to identify as Boeing AH-64 Apache what are my pronouns? I’m not sure what you mean. Are you saying that Boeing AH-64 apache is a gender? If so, then your pronoun is probably “it”. " It's interesting. Due to the dehumanising connotations of it, the default for gender neutral/ non-conforming tends to be "they/their". Which, before all the grammar nuts get upset, was only used by the recent, terrible, monstrous, long since forgotten butcher of the English language... William Shakespeare. | |||
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"I have my pronouns and try to gently educate others on why they should have theirs too
Do you believe everyone should use pronouns?
"you" is a pronoun.
I identify as you
Have the culture wars so rotted our collective minds that we forget what pronouns are and what they're for?
I is also a pronoun. btw"You want me to refer to you as “I”? That could get confusing | |||
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"What are pronouns? You honestly don’t know? This whole thread shows how few people understand pronouns - and how common courtesy has been turned into a fury wank." Agreed. Some people don’t even seem to know what a pronoun is. And others seem to have very extreme reactions to pronouns even being mentioned | |||
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"I have my pronouns and try to gently educate others on why they should have theirs too
Do you believe everyone should use pronouns?
"you" is a pronoun.
I identify as you
Have the culture wars so rotted our collective minds that we forget what pronouns are and what they're for?
I is also a pronoun. btw
You want me to refer to you as “I”? That could get confusing "Me? No. Generally one uses third person pronouns in this instance. But that doesn't mean that first and second pronouns don't exist. I look forward to how the culture war gets mad at I/my you/your we/our. (In some languages there are more - not including the duplication of you in singular and plural. Ancient Greek, for example, has pronouns in dual) Send alcohol | |||
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The top line of every post gives the name of the poster (that they have chosen themselves, is not what appears on their birth certificate, but they do expect to be called by), and next to it is a lovely green arrow pointing to the word man, woman, couple, or tv/ts. Implying pronouns he/him, she/her, they/them, or please-look-at-profile-for-further-information.
Furthermore, the gender implied by that word has been self-identified by the profile owner! Even when doing photo verification, the mods don't insist on performing a close up examination of genitals! (Okay yes, plenty of folk here do actually show views that might shock even their gynacologist, but that's voluntary self-identification, you know the thing that so many declare would destroy society if people at large were allowed to do it  ) | |||
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