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"I mean it was a hell of a long time ago since I was a student. Starting uni for me was a culture shock of ridiculous proportions. I went from a Welsh school where everyone was white. To a multicultural classes, from people from around the world. It was amazing and I learnt so much. Universities today, from what I see can't say if it is really real or not. But I see lots of students from different backgrounds mixing. At the moment there is a free Palestine camp outside the local university and it's full of different ethnicities. But then my local uni isn't a big one like Oxford or Cambridge which have a greater issue with class divides that add to the mix. " No but I think the cultural divides are more than just class so I think your experience is just as relevant. I think Oxford and Cambridge are entities separate from other universities. The experience seems unlike any other in many ways. I think unis can be a great place to bring people together. I think though, there’s a lot of surface level stuff that we see and it’s hard to know whether that’s actually challenging social divides. I also find it interesting because of societies where people go to be amongst similar people. And I remember questioning my own uni on whether they are invested in doing the things to ensure students from different social worlds are safe and happy amongst one another. Because universities benefit from the diversity. It’s their big sell. (Diversity is obvs not just racial but feel like on here I have to clarify that). | |||
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"I was a mature student at Brighton, and a fair number of the students there, across a wide class spectrum, had deliberately avoided Russell Group etc because they found the cultural backgrounds too steeped and soaked in "modes of thinking" related to modernity/Age of Reason/analytic approaches. Their A Level results were comfortably high enough for these unis, but they chose to avoid them. They found more freedom to explore ideas through the continental/postmodern approach Brighton, and a few others, tend to adopt. Short version - "top" unis maintain old modes of thinking too frequently, mostly without realising they do so, and Gen Z in particular intuitively know these old thinking modes lie substantially behind 21st Century issues." I actually think if you are mature student from a disadvantage background with the drive to succeed then non-RGU is a way better choice. Typically they are better scores on placing graduates into their sector of study, And all the bullshit is removed, you just crack on and achieve your goals, that’s what I did at 28. They’re my kids end up going to top RGU’s, mixing with Chelsea girls….. It’s a strange world we live in. | |||
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"Was discussing with a friend of mine from uni about an article he’d recently read. Got me thinking- Do you think top universities are environments that all students would feel comfortable in? Feel free to share your own experiences or people you know. Are universities reinforcers of social dividers or are they breaking down social divides? " Speaking from a background at Oxford and UCL - No, not all students. There is a clique at the Top Universities whether intentional or not. Experiences at more accessible unis like QMUL were different, whether intentional or not. | |||
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"There is a clique at the Top Universities whether intentional or not. " Surely you are not saying there is also a clique at Sydney University in the Forum Studies department…??   | |||
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"There is a clique at the Top Universities whether intentional or not. Surely you are not saying there is also a clique at Sydney University in the Forum Studies department…?? "It is my hypothesis that Sydney University was chosen for the fab urban legend not because ooh exotic Bondi Beach deadly animals Neighbours something something. It's my hypothesis that it was chosen because at the time Fab was founded, it had one of the world's leading research groups on masculinities. | |||
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"There is a clique at the Top Universities whether intentional or not. Surely you are not saying there is also a clique at Sydney University in the Forum Studies department…??
It is my hypothesis that Sydney University was chosen for the fab urban legend not because ooh exotic Bondi Beach deadly animals Neighbours something something.
It's my hypothesis that it was chosen because at the time Fab was founded, it had one of the world's leading research groups on masculinities."Connell? what a throwback to my studies that is. | |||
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"There is a clique at the Top Universities whether intentional or not. Surely you are not saying there is also a clique at Sydney University in the Forum Studies department…??
It is my hypothesis that Sydney University was chosen for the fab urban legend not because ooh exotic Bondi Beach deadly animals Neighbours something something.
It's my hypothesis that it was chosen because at the time Fab was founded, it had one of the world's leading research groups on masculinities.
Connell? what a throwback to my studies that is. "I didn't study gender studies so I couldn't tell you - I had pretty wide latitude in what I studied but I was forbidden on pain of death from taking bludge subjects 
(bludge: coast/ sponge. One bludges rather than skiving off school and would be a dole bludger rather than a welfare scrounger) | |||
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"There is a clique at the Top Universities whether intentional or not. Surely you are not saying there is also a clique at Sydney University in the Forum Studies department…??
It is my hypothesis that Sydney University was chosen for the fab urban legend not because ooh exotic Bondi Beach deadly animals Neighbours something something.
It's my hypothesis that it was chosen because at the time Fab was founded, it had one of the world's leading research groups on masculinities.
Connell? what a throwback to my studies that is.
I didn't study gender studies so I couldn't tell you - I had pretty wide latitude in what I studied but I was forbidden on pain of death from taking bludge subjects
(bludge: coast/ sponge. One bludges rather than skiving off school and would be a dole bludger rather than a welfare scrounger)"She worked there. Her work is good from what I remember | |||
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"PS I'm not having a go at you, Pickle, I just knew from word of mouth that gender studies at Sydney was a bludge subject "don’t worry- my sociology degree has been the butt of many jokes. I have thick skin now | |||
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"There is a clique at the Top Universities whether intentional or not. Surely you are not saying there is also a clique at Sydney University in the Forum Studies department…??
It is my hypothesis that Sydney University was chosen for the fab urban legend not because ooh exotic Bondi Beach deadly animals Neighbours something something.
It's my hypothesis that it was chosen because at the time Fab was founded, it had one of the world's leading research groups on masculinities.
Connell? what a throwback to my studies that is.
I didn't study gender studies so I couldn't tell you - I had pretty wide latitude in what I studied but I was forbidden on pain of death from taking bludge subjects
(bludge: coast/ sponge. One bludges rather than skiving off school and would be a dole bludger rather than a welfare scrounger)
She worked there. Her work is good from what I remember "Fair. I can only speak to undergraduate trash talk on the subject - that it was one of very few places to have a robust offering on masculinities at the time, and it was easy to get really good grades, therefore no one took it very seriously. | |||
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"I would say it brings people together that may have not come across each other otherwise. Due to mixing with others I've been in Mosques, Synagogues etc that I would never have done if I hadn't have gone to uni. They in turn have been to chapel with me. I've learnt a blooming heap from my mates, I've been lucky. But then we were all open to experience each others lives. And I think that's the thing, you can have all the societies and initiatives you want, I'd people are closed books then it isn't going to happen. People in general want to see the differences, instead of the similarities. By mixing and by truly mixing and learning about each others cultures you learn that we're a lot more alike than we are different. " I actually think societies like the ACS or LGBTQ society are important spaces for universities to have. Even though it may seem like it doesn’t help people mixing outside of those groups, university, like society itself, forces you to interact with people that are different. Those spaces are important. I said before, I know it’s only undergrad research but, it was one of my conclusions of my diss project anyway. | |||
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"I would say it brings people together that may have not come across each other otherwise. Due to mixing with others I've been in Mosques, Synagogues etc that I would never have done if I hadn't have gone to uni. They in turn have been to chapel with me. I've learnt a blooming heap from my mates, I've been lucky. But then we were all open to experience each others lives. And I think that's the thing, you can have all the societies and initiatives you want, I'd people are closed books then it isn't going to happen. People in general want to see the differences, instead of the similarities. By mixing and by truly mixing and learning about each others cultures you learn that we're a lot more alike than we are different. I actually think societies like the ACS or LGBTQ society are important spaces for universities to have. Even though it may seem like it doesn’t help people mixing outside of those groups, university, like society itself, forces you to interact with people that are different. Those spaces are important. I said before, I know it’s only undergrad research but, it was one of my conclusions of my diss project anyway. " Undergraduate societies certainly helped me develop the confidence to express myself in a society that was still largely hostile to the person I am. | |||
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"I would say it brings people together that may have not come across each other otherwise. Due to mixing with others I've been in Mosques, Synagogues etc that I would never have done if I hadn't have gone to uni. They in turn have been to chapel with me. I've learnt a blooming heap from my mates, I've been lucky. But then we were all open to experience each others lives. And I think that's the thing, you can have all the societies and initiatives you want, I'd people are closed books then it isn't going to happen. People in general want to see the differences, instead of the similarities. By mixing and by truly mixing and learning about each others cultures you learn that we're a lot more alike than we are different. I actually think societies like the ACS or LGBTQ society are important spaces for universities to have. Even though it may seem like it doesn’t help people mixing outside of those groups, university, like society itself, forces you to interact with people that are different. Those spaces are important. I said before, I know it’s only undergrad research but, it was one of my conclusions of my diss project anyway. Undergraduate societies certainly helped me develop the confidence to express myself in a society that was still largely hostile to the person I am." I think the societies are often the key to mixing - sure there are some that are quite niche in the type of social background you would find there but the reality is that most interests cover a wide range of society and so you get a deeper melting pot. I always found the ones that were less political/agenda driven tended to have the most social mixing. | |||
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"I would say it brings people together that may have not come across each other otherwise. Due to mixing with others I've been in Mosques, Synagogues etc that I would never have done if I hadn't have gone to uni. They in turn have been to chapel with me. I've learnt a blooming heap from my mates, I've been lucky. But then we were all open to experience each others lives. And I think that's the thing, you can have all the societies and initiatives you want, I'd people are closed books then it isn't going to happen. People in general want to see the differences, instead of the similarities. By mixing and by truly mixing and learning about each others cultures you learn that we're a lot more alike than we are different. I actually think societies like the ACS or LGBTQ society are important spaces for universities to have. Even though it may seem like it doesn’t help people mixing outside of those groups, university, like society itself, forces you to interact with people that are different. Those spaces are important. I said before, I know it’s only undergrad research but, it was one of my conclusions of my diss project anyway. Undergraduate societies certainly helped me develop the confidence to express myself in a society that was still largely hostile to the person I am. I think the societies are often the key to mixing - sure there are some that are quite niche in the type of social background you would find there but the reality is that most interests cover a wide range of society and so you get a deeper melting pot. I always found the ones that were less political/agenda driven tended to have the most social mixing." My experience was the opposite. The subject based ones and the "we go skiiing" or "we like drinking" were full of public school boys who wanted to pretend that life was still Kings, Newington and whatnot. (obviously different public schools) | |||
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"I hate that Brighton had so many students that are eligible to vote here. It means that local people have literally no say in who gets elected here. That is why we have been saddled with Caroline Lucas (Green Party) for so long." Would you prefer to disenfranchise students? | |||
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"Was discussing with a friend of mine from uni about an article he’d recently read. Got me thinking- Do you think top universities are environments that all students would feel comfortable in? Feel free to share your own experiences or people you know. Are universities reinforcers of social dividers or are they breaking down social divides? " The inclusion of the word ‘all’ scuppers it. No, not all. I went to an engineering focused polytechnic but studies Arts. Engineers famously male and right wing so it weren’t so good for me. I wanted rebels. There weren’t many there. So choose the uni with appropriate intake then seek your tribe. | |||
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"Was discussing with a friend of mine from uni about an article he’d recently read. Got me thinking- Do you think top universities are environments that all students would feel comfortable in? Feel free to share your own experiences or people you know. Are universities reinforcers of social dividers or are they breaking down social divides? The inclusion of the word ‘all’ scuppers it. No, not all. I went to an engineering focused polytechnic but studies Arts. Engineers famously male and right wing so it weren’t so good for me. I wanted rebels. There weren’t many there. So choose the uni with appropriate intake then seek your tribe." The engineering department was on the other side of what would here be called a dual carriageway and were treated like the unwashed stepchildren. The unwashed bit seemed to be true at times  | |||
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"Was discussing with a friend of mine from uni about an article he’d recently read. Got me thinking- Do you think top universities are environments that all students would feel comfortable in? Feel free to share your own experiences or people you know. Are universities reinforcers of social dividers or are they breaking down social divides? The inclusion of the word ‘all’ scuppers it. No, not all. I went to an engineering focused polytechnic but studies Arts. Engineers famously male and right wing so it weren’t so good for me. I wanted rebels. There weren’t many there. So choose the uni with appropriate intake then seek your tribe. The engineering department was on the other side of what would here be called a dual carriageway and were treated like the unwashed stepchildren. The unwashed bit seemed to be true at times "Scruffy perhaps rather than unwashed. Engineers too scrubbed up I thought. It’s a spectrum mind can take on engineering. Details abound. Arts … is more dreaming a future | |||
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"Was discussing with a friend of mine from uni about an article he’d recently read. Got me thinking- Do you think top universities are environments that all students would feel comfortable in? Feel free to share your own experiences or people you know. Are universities reinforcers of social dividers or are they breaking down social divides? The inclusion of the word ‘all’ scuppers it. No, not all. I went to an engineering focused polytechnic but studies Arts. Engineers famously male and right wing so it weren’t so good for me. I wanted rebels. There weren’t many there. So choose the uni with appropriate intake then seek your tribe. The engineering department was on the other side of what would here be called a dual carriageway and were treated like the unwashed stepchildren. The unwashed bit seemed to be true at times
Scruffy perhaps rather than unwashed. Engineers too scrubbed up I thought. It’s a spectrum mind can take on engineering. Details abound. Arts … is more dreaming a future "Most of my friends did engineering. They showered everyday and moisturised afterwards every time | |||
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"I hate that Brighton had so many students that are eligible to vote here. It means that local people have literally no say in who gets elected here. That is why we have been saddled with Caroline Lucas (Green Party) for so long. Would you prefer to disenfranchise students?" I would prefer that students were allowed only to vote for candidates standing in their home town. They have changed the demographics here, and not for the best. | |||
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"Was discussing with a friend of mine from uni about an article he’d recently read. Got me thinking- Do you think top universities are environments that all students would feel comfortable in? Feel free to share your own experiences or people you know. Are universities reinforcers of social dividers or are they breaking down social divides? The inclusion of the word ‘all’ scuppers it. No, not all. I went to an engineering focused polytechnic but studies Arts. Engineers famously male and right wing so it weren’t so good for me. I wanted rebels. There weren’t many there. So choose the uni with appropriate intake then seek your tribe. The engineering department was on the other side of what would here be called a dual carriageway and were treated like the unwashed stepchildren. The unwashed bit seemed to be true at times
Scruffy perhaps rather than unwashed. Engineers too scrubbed up I thought. It’s a spectrum mind can take on engineering. Details abound. Arts … is more dreaming a future
Most of my friends did engineering. They showered everyday and moisturised afterwards every time"Don't worry, I'm making a specific comment about a specific subset of students on a specific campus 20 years ago | |||
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"I hate that Brighton had so many students that are eligible to vote here. It means that local people have literally no say in who gets elected here. That is why we have been saddled with Caroline Lucas (Green Party) for so long. Would you prefer to disenfranchise students? I would prefer that students were allowed only to vote for candidates standing in their home town. They have changed the demographics here, and not for the best." Some students move permanently out of home. Am I only allowed to vote in the division of Berowra, on the grounds that where that's where I lived at the age of 17? Or would be that insane given I no longer live in that country and am no longer on the Australian electoral roll, given the law on the subject? | |||
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"Was discussing with a friend of mine from uni about an article he’d recently read. Got me thinking- Do you think top universities are environments that all students would feel comfortable in? Feel free to share your own experiences or people you know. Are universities reinforcers of social dividers or are they breaking down social divides? The inclusion of the word ‘all’ scuppers it. No, not all. I went to an engineering focused polytechnic but studies Arts. Engineers famously male and right wing so it weren’t so good for me. I wanted rebels. There weren’t many there. So choose the uni with appropriate intake then seek your tribe. The engineering department was on the other side of what would here be called a dual carriageway and were treated like the unwashed stepchildren. The unwashed bit seemed to be true at times
Scruffy perhaps rather than unwashed. Engineers too scrubbed up I thought. It’s a spectrum mind can take on engineering. Details abound. Arts … is more dreaming a future
Most of my friends did engineering. They showered everyday and moisturised afterwards every time
Don't worry, I'm making a specific comment about a specific subset of students on a specific campus 20 years ago "I know I just took it as an opportunity to bring up sliming. | |||
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"Was discussing with a friend of mine from uni about an article he’d recently read. Got me thinking- Do you think top universities are environments that all students would feel comfortable in? Feel free to share your own experiences or people you know. Are universities reinforcers of social dividers or are they breaking down social divides? The inclusion of the word ‘all’ scuppers it. No, not all. I went to an engineering focused polytechnic but studies Arts. Engineers famously male and right wing so it weren’t so good for me. I wanted rebels. There weren’t many there. So choose the uni with appropriate intake then seek your tribe. The engineering department was on the other side of what would here be called a dual carriageway and were treated like the unwashed stepchildren. The unwashed bit seemed to be true at times
Scruffy perhaps rather than unwashed. Engineers too scrubbed up I thought. It’s a spectrum mind can take on engineering. Details abound. Arts … is more dreaming a future
Most of my friends did engineering. They showered everyday and moisturised afterwards every time
Don't worry, I'm making a specific comment about a specific subset of students on a specific campus 20 years ago
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"I found it a massive culture shock. I went from a community college where there was a police presence at all time because of race-wars going on with years 10 and 11 every day, to a Russell Group university where 80% of the people on the course are from private schools and had jobs waiting for them at the end regardless of what they did. I spent my summers packing boxes, having brilliant midweek nights out on a tenner and sneaking a week in Tenerife to get d*unk and (mostly unsuccessfully) chase women, whilst my peers were either interning at FTSE500 companies or jetting around the world. " I recall the shock of the well A levelled but dense types. Since, I see the hyper intelligent working class you gsters(and now adults who were once those kids) getting lavished in our schools. Social stratification … almost a caste system. | |||
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"Was discussing with a friend of mine from uni about an article he’d recently read. Got me thinking- Do you think top universities are environments that all students would feel comfortable in? Feel free to share your own experiences or people you know. Are universities reinforcers of social dividers or are they breaking down social divides? The inclusion of the word ‘all’ scuppers it. No, not all. I went to an engineering focused polytechnic but studies Arts. Engineers famously male and right wing so it weren’t so good for me. I wanted rebels. There weren’t many there. So choose the uni with appropriate intake then seek your tribe. The engineering department was on the other side of what would here be called a dual carriageway and were treated like the unwashed stepchildren. The unwashed bit seemed to be true at times "I resent this characterisation of scientists as the great unwashed! *Shakes stick* Isambard Kingdom Brunel wouldn't have got anywhere with a full manicure and perfectly coiffured bonce  | |||
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"Was discussing with a friend of mine from uni about an article he’d recently read. Got me thinking- Do you think top universities are environments that all students would feel comfortable in? Feel free to share your own experiences or people you know. Are universities reinforcers of social dividers or are they breaking down social divides? The inclusion of the word ‘all’ scuppers it. No, not all. I went to an engineering focused polytechnic but studies Arts. Engineers famously male and right wing so it weren’t so good for me. I wanted rebels. There weren’t many there. So choose the uni with appropriate intake then seek your tribe. The engineering department was on the other side of what would here be called a dual carriageway and were treated like the unwashed stepchildren. The unwashed bit seemed to be true at times
I resent this characterisation of scientists as the great unwashed! *Shakes stick*
Isambard Kingdom Brunel wouldn't have got anywhere with a full manicure and perfectly coiffured bonce "Science was on my side of the road. I said engineering | |||
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"Was discussing with a friend of mine from uni about an article he’d recently read. Got me thinking- Do you think top universities are environments that all students would feel comfortable in? Feel free to share your own experiences or people you know. Are universities reinforcers of social dividers or are they breaking down social divides? The inclusion of the word ‘all’ scuppers it. No, not all. I went to an engineering focused polytechnic but studies Arts. Engineers famously male and right wing so it weren’t so good for me. I wanted rebels. There weren’t many there. So choose the uni with appropriate intake then seek your tribe. The engineering department was on the other side of what would here be called a dual carriageway and were treated like the unwashed stepchildren. The unwashed bit seemed to be true at times
I resent this characterisation of scientists as the great unwashed! *Shakes stick*
Isambard Kingdom Brunel wouldn't have got anywhere with a full manicure and perfectly coiffured bonce
Science was on my side of the road. I said engineering "Isambard was an engineer! | |||
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"Was discussing with a friend of mine from uni about an article he’d recently read. Got me thinking- Do you think top universities are environments that all students would feel comfortable in? Feel free to share your own experiences or people you know. Are universities reinforcers of social dividers or are they breaking down social divides? The inclusion of the word ‘all’ scuppers it. No, not all. I went to an engineering focused polytechnic but studies Arts. Engineers famously male and right wing so it weren’t so good for me. I wanted rebels. There weren’t many there. So choose the uni with appropriate intake then seek your tribe. The engineering department was on the other side of what would here be called a dual carriageway and were treated like the unwashed stepchildren. The unwashed bit seemed to be true at times
I resent this characterisation of scientists as the great unwashed! *Shakes stick*
Isambard Kingdom Brunel wouldn't have got anywhere with a full manicure and perfectly coiffured bonce
Science was on my side of the road. I said engineering
Isambard was an engineer! " | |||
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"I find working in a large corporation a bit like that now. The number of 21-23 year olds that come in on decent money with no work experience, but good schools on the CVs, it’s quite shocking when you try and ask them about something they’re just dense, but they say nonsense with “public school confidence” that is seems to get them a pass. I’ll caveat this by saying that I have worked with some very good public school folks, but the “Tim Nice But Dim” types absolutely stand out "Totally, stereotyping and blanket statements are just wrong. Idiot Bosses and depressed genius drudges is how workplace often looks though. Does society no favours. It’s tragic. | |||
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"Was discussing with a friend of mine from uni about an article he’d recently read. Got me thinking- Do you think top universities are environments that all students would feel comfortable in? Feel free to share your own experiences or people you know. Are universities reinforcers of social dividers or are they breaking down social divides? The inclusion of the word ‘all’ scuppers it. No, not all. I went to an engineering focused polytechnic but studies Arts. Engineers famously male and right wing so it weren’t so good for me. I wanted rebels. There weren’t many there. So choose the uni with appropriate intake then seek your tribe. The engineering department was on the other side of what would here be called a dual carriageway and were treated like the unwashed stepchildren. The unwashed bit seemed to be true at times "Well they'll be scrubbed up now on their six figure salaries | |||
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