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"I've just signed a petition called "Reduce Vehicle Tax for cars aged between 20 and 40 years old". (petitions/654884), not sure if I can post a uk dot gov link on here. Currently a classic car is over 40 years for tax exemption purposes As an owner of a car that will be 20 years old in a couple of years, this will save me about £160 every 6 months. A no-brainer really. 7,080 signatures so far. At 10,000 signatures, government will respond to this petition. At 100,000 signatures, this petition will be considered for debate in Parliament. This needs to reach those targets before 22 July 2024, so not much time left. " Money saving is a benefit to you, what about the benefit to others? Cars still produce emissions no matter the age of it, if nor more emissions than newer cars so no, I don't agree | |||
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"I've owned some classic vans in the past, and the youngest was 30 years old at the time. In those days, 30 years was the cutoff. However, a 2004 Vauxhall Vectra (for example) is hardly in the same league as an original Mini or Beetle." But why should someone who is actively using the roads, pay less tax than me ? If this happens, the lost revenue would have to be made up, and I would probably end up paying more road tax in the future. | |||
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"I have 2 machines that are road registered, neither of them have to pay VED or have to have an MOT and neither of them falls into the ‘classic’ category "Aye but your tractor isn't the most practical day to day run around, is it? | |||
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"I have 2 machines that are road registered, neither of them have to pay VED or have to have an MOT and neither of them falls into the ‘classic’ category
Aye but your tractor isn't the most practical day to day run around, is it?"They certainly don’t design car parks with them in mind, I know that | |||
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"Out of curiosity, why should someone pay less road tax than me, just because their car is older ?" exactly not even sure why cars that are 40 years or older are exempt surely they must be close to rusting away | |||
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"I have 2 machines that are road registered, neither of them have to pay VED or have to have an MOT and neither of them falls into the ‘classic’ category
Aye but your tractor isn't the most practical day to day run around, is it?
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" But why should someone who is actively using the roads, pay less tax than me ? If this happens, the lost revenue would have to be made up, and I would probably end up paying more road tax in the future." They shouldn't generally, because there's a very good chance that the older vehicles will be more polluting. With older classics, the idea was because they tend to be saved for car shows and occasional use, rather than a daily driver. My own car is tax exempt due it's low emissions ratings, and I drive about 200 miles a week - it was part of the reason I bought it. | |||
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"Out of curiosity, why should someone pay less road tax than me, just because their car is older ?" Because they've paid enough over the years and some of them only come out of storage on bank holiday/exhibition days. | |||
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"Way back in years gone by 20 year old cars would struggle to stay on the road. Hence the classic car exemption. They were true classics and were only taken to shows etc. But now a 20 year old car tends to be a lot better built so can be used as a regular car in a way a classic car isn’t. I hate the fact I have paid a large amount of money for an asset that reduces in value and sits on my drive or in a car park for 95% of the time I own it. The sooner we improve public transport and car club schemes extend everywhere not just cities the sooner I can get rid of the thing." Choice is important. As for extending the life of older vehicles, this has to be a good thing. We need a serious investment in public transport. Giving up on HS2 was a disaster, as was letting Stagecoach and the like having a monopoly. | |||
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"Man signs petition for something because it will personally benefit him. *shrug*" Isn't that the point? | |||
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"Out of curiosity, why should someone pay less road tax than me, just because their car is older ? Because they've paid enough over the years and some of them only come out of storage on bank holiday/exhibition days." I mean... you can tax your car for car shows and then cancel it but, it is a pain in the arse. | |||
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"I've just signed a petition called "Reduce Vehicle Tax for cars aged between 20 and 40 years old". " How about a petition to reduce tax for people aged between 20 and 40 ? | |||
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"Out of curiosity, why should someone pay less road tax than me, just because their car is older ?" | |||
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"Out of curiosity, why should someone pay less road tax than me, just because their car is older ?" exactly | |||
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"What about paying less Council Tax if your house is older ?" Exactly, or less income tax because older people have paid more into the system over the years | |||
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"What about paying less Council Tax if your house is older ? Exactly, or less income tax because older people have paid more into the system over the years" I would definitely sign a petition for this  | |||
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"What about just paying less tax fullstop "Maybe a non-nondom tax rebate | |||
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"What about just paying less tax fullstop
Maybe a non-nondom tax rebate"or a condom rebate, if you dont use one keep pladtic and latex off the streets | |||
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"What about just paying less tax fullstop
Maybe a non-nondom tax rebateor a condom rebate, if you dont use one keep plastic and latex off the streets "plastic | |||
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"What about paying less Council Tax if your house is older ? Exactly, or less income tax because older people have paid more into the system over the years" I'll vote for that | |||
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"I don’t understand why everyone is getting so uptight - if you want to avoid the tax then buy an older car. If you don’t want an older car then you forgo the benefit." I think it's perhaps people who want two cars but only want to pay for one | |||
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"I don’t understand why everyone is getting so uptight - if you want to avoid the tax then buy an older car. If you don’t want an older car then you forgo the benefit. I think it's perhaps people who want two cars but only want to pay for one" ahhhh bogof | |||
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"I had a 1977 American with a 5.7 litre V8 which was tax & mot exempt, did fuck all to the gallon but I did less than 750 miles a year, the thing I don’t understand is the MOT Exemption, older cars tend to have sub standard brakes and suspension so you would assume an MOT would be more important??" The basis vosa work on is that the majority of 40+ year old cars are loved and cherished by enthusiasts and they are taken care of just as much as a new one, and certainly more than a 20 year old one being run into the ground. | |||
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"The basis vosa work on is that the majority of 40+ year old cars are loved and cherished by enthusiasts and they are taken care of just as much as a new one, and certainly more than a 20 year old one being run into the ground." Bingo. The 20-year idea is ridiculous. | |||
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"Cars should be taxed by mileage, including electric vehicles. I run 3 cars, and in total do about 7000 miles between the 3. Yet I have to pay 3 times more road tax than someone running up and down a motorway in a diesel doing 20k a year... They should double the road tax cost, unless you want to opt into a scheme where you get charged by the mile! Our phones pretty much track everywhere we go anyways... And don't even get me started on electric cars!!! " They already are given the huge duty on fuel, use more & pay more. | |||
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"Cars should be taxed by mileage, including electric vehicles. I run 3 cars, and in total do about 7000 miles between the 3. Yet I have to pay 3 times more road tax than someone running up and down a motorway in a diesel doing 20k a year... They should double the road tax cost, unless you want to opt into a scheme where you get charged by the mile! Our phones pretty much track everywhere we go anyways... And don't even get me started on electric cars!!! They already are given the huge duty on fuel, use more & pay more. " Which makes even more sense to get rid of road tax full stop! It doesn't even go towards maintaining the roads these days anyways! | |||
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"Out of curiosity, why should someone pay less road tax than me, just because their car is older ? Because they've paid enough over the years and some of them only come out of storage on bank holiday/exhibition days." Shame they can't use that reason on our OAPS instead increasing retirement age or making it so they have to work. | |||
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"Cars should be taxed by mileage, including electric vehicles. I run 3 cars, and in total do about 7000 miles between the 3. Yet I have to pay 3 times more road tax than someone running up and down a motorway in a diesel doing 20k a year... They should double the road tax cost, unless you want to opt into a scheme where you get charged by the mile! Our phones pretty much track everywhere we go anyways... And don't even get me started on electric cars!!! They already are given the huge duty on fuel, use more & pay more. Which makes even more sense to get rid of road tax full stop! It doesn't even go towards maintaining the roads these days anyways!" They got rid of road tax in the 1930s | |||
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"What about just paying less tax fullstop "Counterpoint: A proper tax system is actually a good thing. (Sadly we don’t have one in this country) | |||
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"Custardchucker. Only so they could divert it without legal constraints, its very much seen as road tax but not by name. " Misunderstanding doesn't make something a thing | |||
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"I've just signed a petition called "Reduce Vehicle Tax for cars aged between 20 and 40 years old". (petitions/654884), not sure if I can post a uk dot gov link on here. Currently a classic car is over 40 years for tax exemption purposes As an owner of a car that will be 20 years old in a couple of years, this will save me about £160 every 6 months. A no-brainer really. 7,080 signatures so far. At 10,000 signatures, government will respond to this petition. At 100,000 signatures, this petition will be considered for debate in Parliament. This needs to reach those targets before 22 July 2024, so not much time left. " Realistically, it's the older cars they want off the road. All of the scrappage schemes are designed around people trading in their old vehicle against a new "clean" one. The problem obviously with this line of thought though, is that people with cars in excess of 10 year old are unlikely to be able to afford a new car, and the older & more polluting their existing car, the further they will be from affording a NEW one. A much better option would be a scrappage scheme that paid enough on old vehicles to allow them to "trade up" to something cleaner without it needing to be NEW Cal | |||
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"Out of curiosity, why should someone pay less road tax than me, just because their car is older ?" This was my first thought. Arguably as they have been on the road longer, they have used the roads more, so should they pay higher tax? | |||
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"Out of curiosity, why should someone pay less road tax than me, just because their car is older ? This was my first thought. Arguably as they have been on the road longer, they have used the roads more, so should they pay higher tax?" "Car Tax" doesn't pay for roads directly, it is just part of general taxation. | |||
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"I had a 1977 American with a 5.7 litre V8 which was tax & mot exempt, did fuck all to the gallon but I did less than 750 miles a year, the thing I don’t understand is the MOT Exemption, older cars tend to have sub standard brakes and suspension so you would assume an MOT would be more important??" We have a dodge from 1942. 3.5 tonnes, no power steering, crash gearbox and only 12 to the gallon. Doesn’t come out much so the road tax I get. But no MOT??? Seriously??? We have it given the once over every year for our own peace of mind if nothing else. | |||
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"I had a 1977 American with a 5.7 litre V8 which was tax & mot exempt, did fuck all to the gallon but I did less than 750 miles a year, the thing I don’t understand is the MOT Exemption, older cars tend to have sub standard brakes and suspension so you would assume an MOT would be more important?? We have a dodge from 1942. 3.5 tonnes, no power steering, crash gearbox and only 12 to the gallon. Doesn’t come out much so the road tax I get. But no MOT??? Seriously??? We have it given the once over every year for our own peace of mind if nothing else. " It is actually a licence requirement that your vehicle is roadworthy. People seem to assume that an MOT is a proxy for that (and I guess it is for most people) but if you don’t have an MOT to fall back on then I don’t think it is unreasonable for a driver to make sure their vehicle _actually_ works. You are not doing that work for your peace of mind - you are doing that work to ensure you are in accordance with your licence. Plus to make sure you don’t kill anyone. | |||
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"I had a 1977 American with a 5.7 litre V8 which was tax & mot exempt, did fuck all to the gallon but I did less than 750 miles a year, the thing I don’t understand is the MOT Exemption, older cars tend to have sub standard brakes and suspension so you would assume an MOT would be more important?? We have a dodge from 1942. 3.5 tonnes, no power steering, crash gearbox and only 12 to the gallon. Doesn’t come out much so the road tax I get. But no MOT??? Seriously??? We have it given the once over every year for our own peace of mind if nothing else. " That’s a sensible thing to do. Just because it doesn’t require an MOT it still has to be road worthy, if you were pulled in and it was deemed not to be road worthy you could still get done, or it could invalidate your insurance if you were to be involved in a road traffic accident and the vehicle was deemed unroadworthy. By getting your once over done by an independent means you will have an invoice to show you have been keeping it serviced and inspected. | |||
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"Cars should be taxed by mileage, including electric vehicles. I run 3 cars, and in total do about 7000 miles between the 3. Yet I have to pay 3 times more road tax than someone running up and down a motorway in a diesel doing 20k a year... They should double the road tax cost, unless you want to opt into a scheme where you get charged by the mile! Our phones pretty much track everywhere we go anyways... And don't even get me started on electric cars!!! " Please don’t get anyone started on electric cars! Possibly the most boring conversation you can hear is 2 people arguing electric vs petrol or diesel  | |||
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"I had a 1977 American with a 5.7 litre V8 which was tax & mot exempt, did fuck all to the gallon but I did less than 750 miles a year, the thing I don’t understand is the MOT Exemption, older cars tend to have sub standard brakes and suspension so you would assume an MOT would be more important?? We have a dodge from 1942. 3.5 tonnes, no power steering, crash gearbox and only 12 to the gallon. Doesn’t come out much so the road tax I get. But no MOT??? Seriously??? We have it given the once over every year for our own peace of mind if nothing else. That’s a sensible thing to do. Just because it doesn’t require an MOT it still has to be road worthy, if you were pulled in and it was deemed not to be road worthy you could still get done, or it could invalidate your insurance if you were to be involved in a road traffic accident and the vehicle was deemed unroadworthy. By getting your once over done by an independent means you will have an invoice to show you have been keeping it serviced and inspected. "PS, cracking nipples there Mrs | |||
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"I had a 1977 American with a 5.7 litre V8 which was tax & mot exempt, did fuck all to the gallon but I did less than 750 miles a year, the thing I don’t understand is the MOT Exemption, older cars tend to have sub standard brakes and suspension so you would assume an MOT would be more important?? We have a dodge from 1942. 3.5 tonnes, no power steering, crash gearbox and only 12 to the gallon. Doesn’t come out much so the road tax I get. But no MOT??? Seriously??? We have it given the once over every year for our own peace of mind if nothing else. That’s a sensible thing to do. Just because it doesn’t require an MOT it still has to be road worthy, if you were pulled in and it was deemed not to be road worthy you could still get done, or it could invalidate your insurance if you were to be involved in a road traffic accident and the vehicle was deemed unroadworthy. By getting your once over done by an independent means you will have an invoice to show you have been keeping it serviced and inspected. "Makes total sense. | |||
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"strange thing is classic cars are MOT exempt ...that seems silly as you dont know if safe to drive." I own two old VWs - in reality I know the state of both those vehicles far better than my modern car. All the vehicles are roadworthy and safe to drive but I spend far more time and money on the older ones. I think that’s pretty much standard behaviour for people who own old cars. | |||
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"Do cars between twenty and forty years old no longer cause wear and tear on the roads?" Don't electric cars with no road tax cause wear and tear too ? | |||
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"Road tax is based on emissions, and older cars are not as clean as modern ones. So no" i think you'll find in the case of the older cars emissions doesn't come into it | |||
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"Do cars between twenty and forty years old no longer cause wear and tear on the roads? Don't electric cars with no road tax cause wear and tear too ?" Until this year and now gov.uk are about to slap them with RFL too.
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"I had a 1977 American with a 5.7 litre V8 which was tax & mot exempt, did fuck all to the gallon but I did less than 750 miles a year, the thing I don’t understand is the MOT Exemption, older cars tend to have sub standard brakes and suspension so you would assume an MOT would be more important?? We have a dodge from 1942. 3.5 tonnes, no power steering, crash gearbox and only 12 to the gallon. Doesn’t come out much so the road tax I get. But no MOT??? Seriously??? We have it given the once over every year for our own peace of mind if nothing else. It is actually a licence requirement that your vehicle is roadworthy. People seem to assume that an MOT is a proxy for that (and I guess it is for most people) but if you don’t have an MOT to fall back on then I don’t think it is unreasonable for a driver to make sure their vehicle _actually_ works. You are not doing that work for your peace of mind - you are doing that work to ensure you are in accordance with your licence. Plus to make sure you don’t kill anyone." So you’d be happy to get rid of MOTs and rely on everyone giving there cars a “once over” ? | |||
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"Do cars between twenty and forty years old no longer cause wear and tear on the roads? Don't electric cars with no road tax cause wear and tear too ?" It’s not road tax it’s vehicle excise duty, the roads are funded from your council tax | |||
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"Do cars between twenty and forty years old no longer cause wear and tear on the roads? Don't electric cars with no road tax cause wear and tear too ? It’s not road tax it’s vehicle excise duty, the roads are funded from your council tax" Yep, and I believe EV's will have to pay VED from April 2025 | |||
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"Do cars between twenty and forty years old no longer cause wear and tear on the roads? Don't electric cars with no road tax cause wear and tear too ? It’s not road tax it’s vehicle excise duty, the roads are funded from your council tax" Only some roads, motorways and main A roads are the responsibility of Highways England and funded from central government | |||
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"I've owned some classic vans in the past, and the youngest was 30 years old at the time. In those days, 30 years was the cutoff. However, a 2004 Vauxhall Vectra (for example) is hardly in the same league as an original Mini or Beetle. But why should someone who is actively using the roads, pay less tax than me ? If this happens, the lost revenue would have to be made up, and I would probably end up paying more road tax in the future." I which case, the whole road tax thing should be remoddled. I'm currently looking for a weekend fun mobile, because its currently based on emissions, the tax could be up to £700 per year...i'll cover less than 3k per year in it- why should i have to pay way more than someone driving 15-20k per year? maybe make it £20 up to 5k per year, £100 to 10k, £200 to 20k and £300 above that...so the heavy users aren't being subsidised by the occasional user | |||
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"I had a 1977 American with a 5.7 litre V8 which was tax & mot exempt, did fuck all to the gallon but I did less than 750 miles a year, the thing I don’t understand is the MOT Exemption, older cars tend to have sub standard brakes and suspension so you would assume an MOT would be more important?? We have a dodge from 1942. 3.5 tonnes, no power steering, crash gearbox and only 12 to the gallon. Doesn’t come out much so the road tax I get. But no MOT??? Seriously??? We have it given the once over every year for our own peace of mind if nothing else. It is actually a licence requirement that your vehicle is roadworthy. People seem to assume that an MOT is a proxy for that (and I guess it is for most people) but if you don’t have an MOT to fall back on then I don’t think it is unreasonable for a driver to make sure their vehicle _actually_ works. You are not doing that work for your peace of mind - you are doing that work to ensure you are in accordance with your licence. Plus to make sure you don’t kill anyone. So you’d be happy to get rid of MOTs and rely on everyone giving there cars a “once over” ?"  absolutely no idea how you managed to read that conclusion into what I wrote. If it helps a driver must have decent vision as part of his/her/their licence - you want might to get your eyesight checked | |||
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"I had a 1977 American with a 5.7 litre V8 which was tax & mot exempt, did fuck all to the gallon but I did less than 750 miles a year, the thing I don’t understand is the MOT Exemption, older cars tend to have sub standard brakes and suspension so you would assume an MOT would be more important?? We have a dodge from 1942. 3.5 tonnes, no power steering, crash gearbox and only 12 to the gallon. Doesn’t come out much so the road tax I get. But no MOT??? Seriously??? We have it given the once over every year for our own peace of mind if nothing else. It is actually a licence requirement that your vehicle is roadworthy. People seem to assume that an MOT is a proxy for that (and I guess it is for most people) but if you don’t have an MOT to fall back on then I don’t think it is unreasonable for a driver to make sure their vehicle _actually_ works. You are not doing that work for your peace of mind - you are doing that work to ensure you are in accordance with your licence. Plus to make sure you don’t kill anyone. So you’d be happy to get rid of MOTs and rely on everyone giving there cars a “once over” ?" When I say ‘we’ I mean the mechanic we have used for years. This guy knows his onions, he makes sure it’s roadworthy and services it every year. We don’t have to do it but we do. So not really sure where you’re coming from in all honesty. | |||
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"I thought they were going to abolish Road tax as we know at and make it a pay to use system" It was never hypothecated/ring fenced, like the dreaded telly licence/tax/ That's the problem road tax, the fee for being on the road, doesn't fund them. | |||
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"Do cars between twenty and forty years old no longer cause wear and tear on the roads? Don't electric cars with no road tax cause wear and tear too ? It’s not road tax it’s vehicle excise duty, the roads are funded from your council tax Yep, and I believe EV's will have to pay VED from April 2025" Yeah, as their tyres are the problem and the lithium fires will need to be prepped for. | |||
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"strange thing is classic cars are MOT exempt ...that seems silly as you dont know if safe to drive." / cars under 3 yeasr old and cars from abroad aren't subject to UK mot rules, just VOSA rules. | |||
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