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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Anyone else think that sugar is our main enemy and not fat?

Obesity is on the rise. Type 2 diabetes, organ failure. And all the time our senses are stimulated by a hedonistic response to eating by food manufacturers. Huge portions, artificial stimulants, they are in everything we are surrounded by. Yet governments from the late 70s til now seem to only ever target fat. We ate fat for centuries in moderate quantities. What's changed?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All the do gooders, you can't do this you can't do that, life would be very boring if we stopped doing everything that's bad for you

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By *ezebelWoman
over a year ago

North of The Wall - youll need your vest


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We ate fat for centuries in moderate quantities. What's changed?"

The 'moderate quantities' part?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"All the do gooders, you can't do this you can't do that, life would be very boring if we stopped doing everything that's bad for you "

Sorry, are you targeting our post, or the government.

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville


"All the do gooders, you can't do this you can't do that, life would be very boring if we stopped doing everything that's bad for you "
Do gooders? I think eating sensibly is something we should all take seriously.

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

People eat stuff thats marketed to be good for you i.e;fat free stuff, but if you look closely there is a huge amount of salt and sugar in these products.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Food has become more readily available. More processed. More chemicals. Sugar is hidden in ridiculous quantities.

Portion sizes are wayyy too big. ...And all the good tasting food is addictive.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"People eat stuff thats marketed to be good for you i.e;fat free stuff, but if you look closely there is a huge amount of salt and sugar in these products."

Someone said the other day when I dared to mention about processed foods that I was part of a nannying culture. Surely, if we draw each other's attention to potential harm, it's nut nannying, it's just allowing you to make an informed choice.

J x

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"People eat stuff thats marketed to be good for you i.e;fat free stuff, but if you look closely there is a huge amount of salt and sugar in these products.

Someone said the other day when I dared to mention about processed foods that I was part of a nannying culture. Surely, if we draw each other's attention to potential harm, it's nut nannying, it's just allowing you to make an informed choice.

J x"

Nut Nannying???

Not nannying!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Greed, cheap food and people eat too much and do FA exercise. A fat person has nobody to blame by the person who puts food in their mouth.

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville


"People eat stuff thats marketed to be good for you i.e;fat free stuff, but if you look closely there is a huge amount of salt and sugar in these products.

Someone said the other day when I dared to mention about processed foods that I was part of a nannying culture. Surely, if we draw each other's attention to potential harm, it's nut nannying, it's just allowing you to make an informed choice.

J x"
Im not sure why, in all honesty i am of the opinion that some prefer to be ignorant on such issues, its much easier to bury your head in the sand.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

All the literature I read about healthy eating cites sugar as just as much of a problem as fat so not sure why people think its changed.

One thing I have noticed is the promotion of certain cereals as a healthy start. Cereals which are over 30% sugar! Some instant porridge pots and mueslis are 400 calories and that sure isn't because they are fatty. Always best to check the nutitional facts. They are on the packets to help us.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"All the literature I read about healthy eating cites sugar as just as much of a problem as fat so not sure why people think its changed.

One thing I have noticed is the promotion of certain cereals as a healthy start. Cereals which are over 30% sugar! Some instant porridge pots and mueslis are 400 calories and that sure isn't because they are fatty. Always best to check the nutitional facts. They are on the packets to help us."

Yup. Though don't rely on what they choose to tell you on the box.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Greed, cheap food and people eat too much and do FA exercise. A fat person has nobody to blame by the person who puts food in their mouth."

Yeah but often it's not the fat person apportionment the blame

Have said before that modern lifestyles and the need/want for quick easy food has ked Us to where we are now. People feel that they don't have the time to make things from scratch these days due to modern day pressures if life and work etc.

Yes people worked in the good old days but often little wifey stayed home and cooked the tea for when the man of the house got home. These days both parties work equally as hard to bring the cash in and they can't be parsed to cook after a hard day in the office and a nightmare commute.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Greed, cheap food and people eat too much and do FA exercise. A fat person has nobody to blame by the person who puts food in their mouth.

Yeah but often it's not the fat person apportionment the blame

Have said before that modern lifestyles and the need/want for quick easy food has ked Us to where we are now. People feel that they don't have the time to make things from scratch these days due to modern day pressures if life and work etc.

Yes people worked in the good old days but often little wifey stayed home and cooked the tea for when the man of the house got home. These days both parties work equally as hard to bring the cash in and they can't be parsed to cook after a hard day in the office and a nightmare commute. "

Smugness alert:

We both work, have a daughter in nursery and have olds to consider. But we cook every night almost. Only because we see it as our chance to reverse the modern trend. Plus, it's fun!

Sorry x

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

No need to apologise. You make it work for you, that's great. Others don't/can't for whatever reason.

I've got no excuse. Live on my own , have dads cafe next door etc but there are times I cba to cookout myself. My portion sizes are way too big and I leave making something till I'm starving so pick while I'm cooking.

I know all the theory I just lack the staying power

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Greed, cheap food and people eat too much and do FA exercise. A fat person has nobody to blame by the person who puts food in their mouth.

Yeah but often it's not the fat person apportionment the blame

Have said before that modern lifestyles and the need/want for quick easy food has ked Us to where we are now. People feel that they don't have the time to make things from scratch these days due to modern day pressures if life and work etc.

Yes people worked in the good old days but often little wifey stayed home and cooked the tea for when the man of the house got home. These days both parties work equally as hard to bring the cash in and they can't be parsed to cook after a hard day in the office and a nightmare commute. "

No its all down to what goes in the mouth. My Pop has a restaurant the bests food you could have and he tries to feed me up but I won't do it. My brother he eats the lot 20st and 0nly 5ft 10. Its not easy saying no to food but after seeing what happened to my bro there is no way I am going that way never.

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By *renchbambi xWoman
over a year ago

Need to know basis


"Anyone else think that sugar is our main enemy and not fat?

Obesity is on the rise. Type 2 diabetes, organ failure. And all the time our senses are stimulated by a hedonistic response to eating by food manufacturers. Huge portions, artificial stimulants, they are in everything we are surrounded by. Yet governments from the late 70s til now seem to only ever target fat. We ate fat for centuries in moderate quantities. What's changed?"

"We ate fat for centuries in moderate quantities. What's changed?"

From the moment he was able to work on the farm (8yo), my dad had to get up every morning at 3am to take the cows to the field, then walk 5 miles to get to school and same to get back home to gather the damned animals, get them back in - milking was a hard manual job, clean the stables, collect the eggs, clean the yard and do his chores; there was no car, no television, no computer, no fast food. His diet was rich and he had a lot of fun living a simple life that had a purpose at a time when life under occupied France was hard. I believe that in the majority we have lost view of Our purpose so we find other ways of feeling alive. Eating sugary or fatty food gives the brain the satisfaction and pleasure it craves, but its long lived so we'll eat more to feel satisfied and alive again and again.

Having said that sugar and a measure of fat are necessary and vital for the survival of our body and brain, it is the excess that is dangerous, whether you over indulge and become obese or deprive yourself and become too thin.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"All the do gooders, you can't do this you can't do that, life would be very boring if we stopped doing everything that's bad for you

Sorry, are you targeting our post, or the government. "

The government

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The problem is that people are convinced that eating ready meals is cheap.

I get home around 7 on Monday. I spend £5 on veg to cook a big pan of soup. I don't eat until around 10 but only have to heat it up for 30 mins each night thereafter to eat well till Thursday (then I stay at princess Fri / sat night).

I was talking to my parents the other day about it and it's exactly how the healthy post war generation eat. Plenty of veg and dead cheap (very tasty too.)

It takes a long time on Monday but boy am I welcome for being able to eat for £1 per night by the time it gets to Thursday......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Greed, cheap food and people eat too much and do FA exercise. A fat person has nobody to blame by the person who puts food in their mouth.

Yeah but often it's not the fat person apportionment the blame

Have said before that modern lifestyles and the need/want for quick easy food has ked Us to where we are now. People feel that they don't have the time to make things from scratch these days due to modern day pressures if life and work etc.

Yes people worked in the good old days but often little wifey stayed home and cooked the tea for when the man of the house got home. These days both parties work equally as hard to bring the cash in and they can't be parsed to cook after a hard day in the office and a nightmare commute.

Smugness alert:

We both work, have a daughter in nursery and have olds to consider. But we cook every night almost. Only because we see it as our chance to reverse the modern trend. Plus, it's fun!

Sorry x

"

I am similar though I make a big pot of bolognese and shepherd pie mix and freeze them into portions so I have at least something home made and healthy to eat every week after work and only have to heat them up

My biggest problem is that two days per week, I finish the day job at 5pm and start the second job at 6pm so don't have time to make and eat something between jobs. I tried to take something in, like bolognese for lunchtime but found it difficult to get into the habit and not have sandwiches so gave up and don't have anything between jobs now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"All the literature I read about healthy eating cites sugar as just as much of a problem as fat so not sure why people think its changed.

One thing I have noticed is the promotion of certain cereals as a healthy start. Cereals which are over 30% sugar! Some instant porridge pots and mueslis are 400 calories and that sure isn't because they are fatty. Always best to check the nutitional facts. They are on the packets to help us.

Yup. Though don't rely on what they choose to tell you on the box. "

Good point but it's getting better. I do like how certain cafe's are putting calories on their menu's. Some display sugar and fat content too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There was an excellent 3 part documentary on BBC 2 last year called 'The Men Who Made Us Fat' which, in one part, covered sugar and discussed John Yudkin and his book, 'Pure White and Deadly'.

Episodes are around on YouTube I believe if anyone didn't see it when it originally aired and is interested.

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By *opsy RogersWoman
over a year ago

London

Yudkin, Taubes, Banting, Moore, Atkins. They all know the science, the proper science behind the 'fat makes you fat' theory (not to mention the lies that were told by Ancel Keyes).

There are millions of people all over the world that have shied away from processed food, especially carbs (cereal is around 80% sugar as the grain it is made from converts to sugar in the body) and are a darn site healthier for it.

Talk to diabetics that control their disease this way, thousands of forums out there dedicated to that. I'm one of them. Eight stones lighter, an HbA1c of 4.8 the blood lipids of a healthy teenager and no meds.

Stick to a diet that involves fat, meat, fish, vegetables, nuts, seeds and dairy and just wait and see the difference in your health. I'm fitter and healthier now than I was was twenty five years ago.

Yep, I miss sugary, chocolately things and occasionally poison my body with an artificial sweetener but I'm going to die with my feet on.

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By *adchickCouple
over a year ago

Cyprus

Greed and sloth made people fat...

Nothing else

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By *ollie_JCouple
over a year ago

London

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over a year ago

London

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By *ollie_JCouple
over a year ago

London

I think our calorie intake is actually less than the end of the Victorian era, but then we aren't down the pits doing a long shift

.. Also

treat a slice of bread as if it were a chocolate bar

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By *opsy RogersWoman
over a year ago

London

Oh, and a quick response to 'but what do you eat?'

How about some par boiled green beans fried in garlic butter with mushrooms and chicken with some double cream added at the end. Serve with cauliflower rice (fresh cauli, whizzed up in a processor and fried in butter) and yes, I got skinnier eating this.

Try making lasagne with sheets of aubergine or courgette instead of pasta.

Give it a bash, you only have your waistline to loose.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Greed and sloth made people fat...

Nothing else"

Often the focus is on one thing or another, but the greatest success came when I looked at my life in an holistic sense.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay


"People eat stuff thats marketed to be good for you i.e;fat free stuff, but if you look closely there is a huge amount of salt and sugar in these products.

Someone said the other day when I dared to mention about processed foods that I was part of a nannying culture. Surely, if we draw each other's attention to potential harm, it's nut nannying, it's just allowing you to make an informed choice.

J x"

It was me that mentioned Nannying....as I pointed out then, it's not a Nanny State that gets on my nerves as much as individuals both on this site and in general who constantly try to educate others (free thinking adults) about what is good for them and what isn't....

What ever happened to people living their own life?....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yudkin, Taubes, Banting, Moore, Atkins. They all know the science, the proper science behind the 'fat makes you fat' theory (not to mention the lies that were told by Ancel Keyes).

There are millions of people all over the world that have shied away from processed food, especially carbs (cereal is around 80% sugar as the grain it is made from converts to sugar in the body) and are a darn site healthier for it.

Talk to diabetics that control their disease this way, thousands of forums out there dedicated to that. I'm one of them. Eight stones lighter, an HbA1c of 4.8 the blood lipids of a healthy teenager and no meds.

Stick to a diet that involves fat, meat, fish, vegetables, nuts, seeds and dairy and just wait and see the difference in your health. I'm fitter and healthier now than I was was twenty five years ago.

Yep, I miss sugary, chocolately things and occasionally poison my body with an artificial sweetener but I'm going to die with my feet on."

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