FabSwingers.com forum: Madeline McCann

By *agic johnson OP Man
over a year ago

morden

I hear they are gonna close the case on her this year after so long , what's people's takes on what happened ? I've watched so many things about it I just don't know , but the parents to me have always almost been so nonchalant about everything throughout it all , even not helping Portuguese police with the wall of silence . Very sus

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames

"I hear they are gonna close the case on her this year after so long , what's people's takes on what happened ? I've watched so many things about it I just don't know , but the parents to me have always almost been so nonchalant about everything throughout it all , even not helping Portuguese police with the wall of silence . Very sus "

I don’t think speculation helps anyone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A child went missing. And that’s something horrible. Don’t even want to think about what happened after the disappearance. But _whoever_ is responsible, they’re going somewhere hot when they die.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

I don't know enough to speculate, so shan't. I just hope everyone gets some kind of closure.

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By *agic johnson OP Man
over a year ago

morden

Evidence points to a accident in the apartment, sniffer dogs have pointed out cadaver scent in the room and the car

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The very sad thing is out of all the speculation and guesswork everyone has made someone is probably right.

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By *agic johnson OP Man
over a year ago

morden

"The very sad thing is out of all the speculation and guesswork everyone has made someone is probably right.

That's a great point woody

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Didn’t they catch somd guy in Portugal they think was connected?

He was in the area during and had commuted other crimes

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By *agic johnson OP Man
over a year ago

morden

Still a suspect but there's no proof weirdly enough , convicted chomo too

I think that's why they were going thru that lake area recently

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We will never know. That's what I think.

It's like the Isdal woman but reversed.

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By *hrimper36Couple
over a year ago

Central France dept 36

As a parent of five my main job in my surfs was to protect and educate my children until they flew the parental nest which I did to the best of my ability and in my humble opinion the Mcanns failed their daughter on every level.

Just my opinion.

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By *agic johnson OP Man
over a year ago

morden

"As a parent of five my main job in my surfs was to protect and educate my children until they flew the parental nest which I did to the best of my ability and in my humble opinion the Mcanns failed their daughter on every level.

Just my opinion.

I'm 100% in agreement with you , leaving them alone for hours on end is so wrong , specially if it's true that they calpol'd the kids to make them sleep . Utterly disgusting

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By *arlot o scaraWoman
over a year ago

Hell

I studied psychology and human behaviour and I’ve always thought the behaviour of the parents was odd. I’m sure that even if they aren’t directly responsible, they know something they aren’t letting on.

I’ll never forget driving along in my car when the news came on that she was missing, the father said they were confident she would be home next week for her birthday. It just seemed an odd thing to say about a missing child.

It’ll probably never be solved.

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By *ndycoinsMan
over a year ago

Whaley Bridge,Nr Buxton,

Just my opinion.

If they had abandoned their kids in this country in favour of a night out they would have been prosecuted.Sad thing is the little girl has paid the price.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

Do you know them? Or anything about the situation that hasn't been part of the media agenda? Have you been in a similar situation yourself to have your child snatched? Not sure you can cast any aspersions based on a media story.

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By *amantha_JadeWoman
over a year ago

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Whenever the case gets brought up, my thoughts are usually:

- She never would have went ‘missing’ if the parents had acted responsibly in the first place and not left her alone whilst they went out for dinner

- Why has so much time, money and resources been involved in her case compared to other missing children

- Have never had a good feeling about her parents. Their behaviour seems off

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By *orny-DJMan
over a year ago

Leigh-on-Sea

Just my opinion.

I completely agree, and I am still surprised, to this day, that social services didn't bring care proceedings against them over their two younger children due to their clear neglect.

What really bothered me about the whole thing was that they still failed to recognise that what they did, in leaving those kids alone in the apartment, was wrong.

They've been riding the sympathy train ever since and not once have I seen them show any remorse.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I didn't think a case could be closed when it's not solved....maybe you mean the police are gonna stop working on it & searching....for now....

There's many cold cases....where search & investigation leads nowhere but the cases are never closed as such

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Did they make loads of money off a book or something too?

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley

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- Why has so much time, money and resources been involved in her case compared to other missing children

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Because of her exceptional looks.What else?

Sells newspapers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whenever the case gets brought up, my thoughts are usually:

- She never would have went ‘missing’ if the parents had acted responsibly in the first place and not left her alone whilst they went out for dinner

- Why has so much time, money and resources been involved in her case compared to other missing children

- Have never had a good feeling about her parents. Their behaviour seems off "

^^^^^^^ Same as...."I've never had a good feeling about her parents. Their behaviour seems off".... There's something about Madelines Father defo.... Something in his eyes that I cannot explain....The way he looks at the camera....A distance I can't explain....Like he's detached from the situation....I can't put it into words....His behaviour seems off too ....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"...

- Why has so much time, money and resources been involved in her case compared to other missing children

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Because of her exceptional looks.What else?

Sells newspapers.

I was watching a crime programme recently & it stated that a blonde blue eyed middle class girl will get way more coverage & investigation than say a dark haired working class....yes that's what it stated....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whenever the case gets brought up, my thoughts are usually:

- She never would have went ‘missing’ if the parents had acted responsibly in the first place and not left her alone whilst they went out for dinner

- Why has so much time, money and resources been involved in her case compared to other missing children

- Have never had a good feeling about her parents. Their behaviour seems off

This is why having a functioning justice system is so important

“His eyes, I know he killed his daughter”

It’s shit like that why they’d never get found guilty. Never find an impartial jury to convict them

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By *hrimper36Couple
over a year ago

Central France dept 36

Nope but then again I’ve never left my children alone in an apartment while I socialize on holiday in a foreign country but then I’ve never lost one of my kids.

Bless them.

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By *heelz69Man
over a year ago

Manchester

Totally agree, why like happens in most cases like this, didn't they have the other two kids taken into care? At least until they were assessed etc. I bet if they were from a council estate they would have!

Just my opinion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whenever the case gets brought up, my thoughts are usually:

- She never would have went ‘missing’ if the parents had acted responsibly in the first place and not left her alone whilst they went out for dinner

- Why has so much time, money and resources been involved in her case compared to other missing children

- Have never had a good feeling about her parents. Their behaviour seems off

This is why having a functioning justice system is so important

“His eyes, I know he killed his daughter”

It’s shit like that why they’d never get found guilty. Never find an impartial jury to convict them "

I guarantee if it was a single parent be it a Mom or Dad that did that ....Leave their children alone....(it's called neglect) they would have been seriously prosecuted & possibly other children taken into care. The McCanns I believe are & were treated differently because they are Doctors....it's so wrong.

Madeline would be alive today if they looked after her properly & didn't abandon her & her siblings so they could eat in 'peace'....

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By *agic johnson OP Man
over a year ago

morden

There's a interview with one of the top vice police guys on YouTube who says they medicated her she fell from the back of the sofa banged her head and died , it's also come up in a interview with the McCann's , and a top statement analyst FBI guy has said it's them confessing to it . Dogs sniffing a cadaver smell in the apartment and the rental car , also every refrigerator in the complex was recently checked by dogs for any smells . Been following it a lot lately , top people interviewed from British police and Portuguese released police files

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By *ags73Man
over a year ago

glasgow-ish

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just my opinion.

I'm 100% in agreement with you , leaving them alone for hours on end is so wrong , specially if it's true that they calpol'd the kids to make them sleep . Utterly disgusting "

Let’s not forget they had a nanny/au pair who they didn’t take

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whenever the case gets brought up, my thoughts are usually:

- She never would have went ‘missing’ if the parents had acted responsibly in the first place and not left her alone whilst they went out for dinner

- Why has so much time, money and resources been involved in her case compared to other missing children

- Have never had a good feeling about her parents. Their behaviour seems off

This is why having a functioning justice system is so important

“His eyes, I know he killed his daughter”

It’s shit like that why they’d never get found guilty. Never find an impartial jury to convict them

Madeline would be alive today if they looked after her properly & didn't abandon her & her siblings so they could eat in 'peace'...."

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By *hawn ScottMan
over a year ago

london Brixton

"There's a interview with one of the top vice police guys on YouTube who says they medicated her she fell from the back of the sofa banged her head and died , it's also come up in a interview with the McCann's , and a top statement analyst FBI guy has said it's them confessing to it . Dogs sniffing a cadaver smell in the apartment and the rental car , also every refrigerator in the complex was recently checked by dogs for any smells . Been following it a lot lately , top people interviewed from British police and Portuguese released police files "

Yes all from the book written by the police chief when he retired. Its the biggest house of cards every written. They where checking on her every 20-30 mins. So his theory was that they checked, found her dead and within 5 mins managed to hide her body, then come back to the meal totally calm and then go back and say she was missing. What are they sociopaths with that know the area well. The dna found in the boot was from her toys. It was only a trace, if a body was in the boot the dna would be all over it.

The Portuguese police closed the case a long time ago but they have been fund raising, private investigators etc ever since. If they were responsible for her death they have long got away with it. Why keep it up??? More importantly where is the body?

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By *hawn ScottMan
over a year ago

london Brixton

Of course they are going to look guilty as they know what they done wrong. They have to live with it every day

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By *elshcouple18Couple
over a year ago

Cardiff

Haven't they made a few bob from it? That's the unnerving thing..

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

I'm sure someone with "secret inside knowledge" who knows something that the police don't know will be along shortly to enlighten us all.

That's what usually happens.

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

"Whenever the case gets brought up, my thoughts are usually:

- She never would have went ‘missing’ if the parents had acted responsibly in the first place and not left her alone whilst they went out for dinner

- Why has so much time, money and resources been involved in her case compared to other missing children

- Have never had a good feeling about her parents. Their behaviour seems off

Maybe because he lost a daughter and was accused of killing her for years

The only thing this case teaches me is how judgemental and vile people can be.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

"Whenever the case gets brought up, my thoughts are usually:

- She never would have went ‘missing’ if the parents had acted responsibly in the first place and not left her alone whilst they went out for dinner

- Why has so much time, money and resources been involved in her case compared to other missing children

- Have never had a good feeling about her parents. Their behaviour seems off

Maybe because he lost a daughter and was accused of killing her for years

The only thing this case teaches me is how judgemental and vile people can be."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Two very irresponsible parents that definitely should have known better, had the bad luck of taking a chance and paying the ultimate price

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By *oppleWangerMan
over a year ago

Gods Country

Them parents are about as bent (possibly a little bit more) as the government. Something about the whole thing stinks!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whenever the case gets brought up, my thoughts are usually:

- She never would have went ‘missing’ if the parents had acted responsibly in the first place and not left her alone whilst they went out for dinner

- Why has so much time, money and resources been involved in her case compared to other missing children

- Have never had a good feeling about her parents. Their behaviour seems off

Maybe because he lost a daughter and was accused of killing her for years

The only thing this case teaches me is how judgemental and vile people can be."

I'm not being "Judgemental" at all....I can't help the way my gut instinct feels & alerts me....& My instinct tells me something Seriously isn't right....!!!!

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By *usie pTV/TS
over a year ago

taunton

Its an appalling tragedy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Have they not linked a German Nonce with it?

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

I don't know whose to blame but the dad has an ice look about him.

When my dad was in icu he was one of the consultants and looked just as creepy in real life. Luckily he wasn't my dad's consultant

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By *TG3Man
over a year ago

Dorchester

Nothing brings the child back ater its gone and I'm sure they the parents feel guilty, sad and tortured irrespective of what part they played in her disappearance, RIP Maggie.

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

"Whenever the case gets brought up, my thoughts are usually:

- She never would have went ‘missing’ if the parents had acted responsibly in the first place and not left her alone whilst they went out for dinner

- Why has so much time, money and resources been involved in her case compared to other missing children

- Have never had a good feeling about her parents. Their behaviour seems off

Maybe because he lost a daughter and was accused of killing her for years

The only thing this case teaches me is how judgemental and vile people can be.

I'm not being "Judgemental" at all....I can't help the way my gut instinct feels & alerts me....& My instinct tells me something Seriously isn't right....!!!! "

That’s not instinct, they don’t work like that - they don’t care if the parents did it or not, they care about keeping you warm and eating enough sugar to fight a bear

It’s judging….. making up stories to make you feel a better person

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By *londebiguyMan
over a year ago

Southport

Just my opinion.

Precisely.

They are to blame at the very heart of this for leaving the children alone in the apartment.

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By *os_GoddessofdawnWoman
over a year ago

In the clouds

"Its an appalling tragedy."

agreed

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By *illan-KillashMan
over a year ago

London/Sussex/Surrey/Berks/Hants

Losing a child is a tragedy.

Seeing half the internet castigating you for it must be hard to take.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Losing a child is a tragedy.

Seeing half the internet castigating you for it must be hard to take.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

No one knows what happened! But I think the parents have suffered and will be suffering the rest of their lives so leave them be! X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No one knows what happened! But I think the parents have suffered and will be suffering the rest of their lives so leave them be! X"

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Whenever the case gets brought up, my thoughts are usually:

- She never would have went ‘missing’ if the parents had acted responsibly in the first place and not left her alone whilst they went out for dinner

- Why has so much time, money and resources been involved in her case compared to other missing children

- Have never had a good feeling about her parents. Their behaviour seems off

Maybe because he lost a daughter and was accused of killing her for years

The only thing this case teaches me is how judgemental and vile people can be.

I'm not being "Judgemental" at all....I can't help the way my gut instinct feels & alerts me....& My instinct tells me something Seriously isn't right....!!!! "

No. You really are being judgemental. Read it again.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Haven't they made a few bob from it? That's the unnerving thing.. "

How much have they made from it?

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By *cottish guy 555Man
over a year ago

London

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- Why has so much time, money and resources been involved in her case compared to other missing children

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Because of her exceptional looks.What else?

Sells newspapers.

This is very true. Just look up the case of the boys who went missing in the Midlands during the 80's I think.

Coppers said they were streetwise so didn't bother looking for them.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

Just my opinion.

I completely agree, and I am still surprised, to this day, that social services didn't bring care proceedings against them over their two younger children due to their clear neglect.

What really bothered me about the whole thing was that they still failed to recognise that what they did, in leaving those kids alone in the apartment, was wrong.

They've been riding the sympathy train ever since and not once have I seen them show any remorse.

Yes that's it..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whenever the case gets brought up, my thoughts are usually:

- She never would have went ‘missing’ if the parents had acted responsibly in the first place and not left her alone whilst they went out for dinner

- Why has so much time, money and resources been involved in her case compared to other missing children

- Have never had a good feeling about her parents. Their behaviour seems off

To think you could be called on to undertake jury service.

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

"No one knows what happened! But I think the parents have suffered and will be suffering the rest of their lives so leave them be! X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not sure if the parents killed her. I find a few things I've read very odd. But they are responsible for what happened and I'm sure they are ashamed of how careless they were that night. I don't know how they sleep.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't know whose to blame but the dad has an ice look about him.

When my dad was in icu he was one of the consultants and looked just as creepy in real life. Luckily he wasn't my dad's consultant"

Just unreal.........

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm not sure if the parents killed her. I find a few things I've read very odd. But they are responsible for what happened and I'm sure they are ashamed of how careless they were that night. I don't know how they sleep."

Perhaps they don’t but the comments on this thread are disgraceful.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

Speculation was always going to happen in a case like this. If you look back at all sorts of really old cases relating to the harm of, disappearance of young children, there has always been media speculation.

Whilst we cannot know what exactly happened to Madeleine, it is true that the actions of leaving the children unaccompanied, led to them being exposed to intolerable danger of serious harm. Had they remained at their apartment that day, the chances of Madeleine simply vanishing into thin air would be negligible.

I do think that attitudes would be very different to absolutely everything about this case, had the parents been from a different demographic. Had a pair of lower income/working class parents left their child(ren) unaccompanied while they went to a nightclub or to play bingo or whatever, the attitude of the average person would be to directly hold those parents accountable. I'm also sure such parents would have found themselves under scrutiny from statutory services in the UK.

I was a teenage parent. We took my son on holiday in the UK, when I was 18 and Mr KC was 17, turning 18 when away. There is no way on god's green earth that I would ever have left him unsupervised anywhere. He came out to evening things like meals and just went to bed later or napped in a pushchair or, if he needed to be in bed, we just stayed in the accommodation and maybe sat on the patio, with the baby monitor on and all external doors/windows secured. We would rightly have been castigated had we done anything similar to the McCann's, in terms of leaving my son alone and doubt anyone would have defended someone such as a young teenage mother and her relatively new boyfriend, like they have a pair of older doctors, who should have known plenty about the risks of leaving children alone.

I don't speculate on anything else, but I'm quite happy to state that the parents hold considerable responsibility for the situation, through their irresponsible behaviour.

(Edited because I'd miscalculated and we were only 18 then. Not 19, as I first put).

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By *use and wolfCouple
over a year ago

angus

If the parents weren't Doctors they would have been charged with neglect not given an audience with the bloke in a funny hat!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If the parents weren't Doctors they would have been charged with neglect not given an audience with the bloke in a funny hat!"

Do you mean Tommy Cooper?

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By *ellhungvweMan
over a year ago

Cheltenham

"Speculation was always going to happen in a case like this. If you look back at all sorts of really old cases relating to the harm of, disappearance of young children, there has always been media speculation.

I don't speculate on anything else, but I'm quite happy to state that the parents hold considerable responsibility for the situation, through their irresponsible behaviour.

(Edited because I'd miscalculated and we were only 18 then. Not 19, as I first put)."

Very eloquently put. You summarise my view perfectly.

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By *londebiguyMan
over a year ago

Southport

I don't speculate on anything else, but I'm quite happy to state that the parents hold considerable responsibility for the situation, through their irresponsible behaviour.

(Edited because I'd miscalculated and we were only 18 then. Not 19, as I first put)."

Precisely.

I remember holidays when I was young and my parents did exactly this.

It was a holiday for all of the family and not for them to be going out alone.

They are responsible for all of this situation.

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By *ed VoluptaWoman
over a year ago

Wirral.

I don't speculate on anything else, but I'm quite happy to state that the parents hold considerable responsibility for the situation, through their irresponsible behaviour.

(Edited because I'd miscalculated and we were only 18 then. Not 19, as I first put).

Very eloquently put. You summarise my view perfectly.

Mine too.

I will never understand how a parent can leave their children alone to go out & have fun.

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By *ldgeezermeMan
over a year ago

Newcastle

The TikTok detectives are out in force

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

The parents were fully negligent in their duty of care. That's all I strongly believe to be true

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By *ilfCrumpet9Man
over a year ago

Wirral

Why on earth would two professional people leave their young children in an apartment abroad alone.

After watching so many documentaries it all sounds very suspicious.

Hope there is a happy ending to this and she is fine

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By *ere for you11Man
over a year ago

consett

you never ever ever leave your children on their own,and go for a meal?

more interested in their friends

they wernt even eating next door,

should be locked up

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

Hope one day there is closure same goes for the moors murder and many more missing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Two parents inadequately look after their child in a foreign country.

Hope they didn’t have anything to do with it but if they weren’t drs the narrative could be so different.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't speculate on anything else, but I'm quite happy to state that the parents hold considerable responsibility for the situation, through their irresponsible behaviour.

(Edited because I'd miscalculated and we were only 18 then. Not 19, as I first put)."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Always thought Kate would give an amazing BJ she has such full sexy lips

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anddddd that will be enough Fab for today.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well she is sexy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Should have closed the case years ago instead of wasting police resources.the parents had something to do with this.piss poor parenting skills and as doctors should have known better.leaving toddlers on there own is neglect but they'd rather go out getting pissed with friends .I think they found her in the room dead,panicked and disposed of the body they are the guilty ones.

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By *ellinever70Woman
over a year ago

Ayrshire

Most of the parents amongst us will likely be able to recognise that we've fucked up....probably more than once...and the outcome for our child could have been disastrous, but thankfully was not.

Whenever this case rears its head, that's my only thought

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By *essaMayWoman
over a year ago

Fairytale Wood

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By *essaMayWoman
over a year ago

Fairytale Wood

We will never know the truth, people will continue to speculate. I don't pay that much to the media. What i understand a predator would not walk into a random villa and snatch a child. Abductions are rarely random or opportunistic, either someone known to the family/abductee or have been targeted.

They would have been casing the joint so they say. Which to me, means leaving the kids alone while enjoying a night out was a regular occurrence or it wasn't an abduction. Just my take and unfortunately my thoughts are with the other kids and ther poor child. not the parents.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I doubt they sleep much at all. They certanly don't look like they sleep much.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm sure they always regret leaving the children alone and wish they hadn't done so.

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By *os19Man
over a year ago

Edmonton

I don’t think the parents killed their child as I believe after all these years there is no way they could keep a secret like that for all these years. I do believe that if they were on benefits living on a council estate the other children would have been taken off them but been middle class doctors seems to me they got away with neglect.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don’t think the parents killed their child as I believe after all these years there is no way they could keep a secret like that for all these years. I do believe that if they were on benefits living on a council estate the other children would have been taken off them but been middle class doctors seems to me they got away with neglect."

They didn't get away with it though, one of their children was taken. I'm sure they always regret leaving the children.

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley

They didn't get away with it though, one of their children was taken..."

'Taken' is getting a bit specific as far as theories are concerned.

'Disappeared' might be the best way of describing what is known so far as to have happened.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

I wonder what effect the constant speculation has on Madeline's siblings. Everyone who is dreadfully concerned about children in this situation doesn't seem to bothered about them. Imagine your sister goes missing and you have to face a lifetime of dealing with that and speculation from 'concerned' social media contributers.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I wonder what effect the constant speculation has on Madeline's siblings. Everyone who is dreadfully concerned about children in this situation doesn't seem to bothered about them. Imagine your sister goes missing and you have to face a lifetime of dealing with that and speculation from 'concerned' social media contributers. "

Examples like that make it extremely clear that a lot of the concern trolling doesn't come from a position of good faith. It's just juicy gossip.

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By *ldgeezermeMan
over a year ago

Newcastle

"Should have closed the case years ago instead of wasting police resources.the parents had something to do with this.piss poor parenting skills and as doctors should have known better.leaving toddlers on there own is neglect but they'd rather go out getting pissed with friends .I think they found her in the room dead,panicked and disposed of the body they are the guilty ones.

Have you presented the evidence for your supposition to the police?

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By *illan-KillashMan
over a year ago

London/Sussex/Surrey/Berks/Hants

Examples like that make it extremely clear that a lot of the concern trolling doesn't come from a position of good faith. It's just juicy gossip."

The amount of Columbos and Miss Marples that post on threads about this case is astonishing.

We can probably do away with the entire police force, given the experts herein.

He looks shifty. Guilty.

She hasn't cried. Guilty.

They're too calm in front of the camera. Guilty.

No-one knows how they act in the privacy of their own home.

They're medical professionals, trained to behave without panic or emotion.

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By *ig_time_CharlieMan
over a year ago

Cambridge and London

Just my opinion.

I'm 100% in agreement with you , leaving them alone for hours on end is so wrong , specially if it's true that they calpol'd the kids to make them sleep . Utterly disgusting

Let’s not forget they had a nanny/au pair who they didn’t take

And also, The hotel had baby sitters and a listening service available so that kids could be monitored and kept an eye on whilst parents were out or in the bar. Why didn't they use them? It's not as if they couldn't afford it.

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By *ndycoinsMan
over a year ago

Whaley Bridge,Nr Buxton,

Examples like that make it extremely clear that a lot of the concern trolling doesn't come from a position of good faith. It's just juicy gossip.

The amount of Columbos and Miss Marples that post on threads about this case is astonishing.

We can probably do away with the entire police force, given the experts herein.

He looks shifty. Guilty.

She hasn't cried. Guilty.

They're too calm in front of the camera. Guilty.

No-one knows how they act in the privacy of their own home.

They're medical professionals, trained to behave without panic or emotion."

How they behave is exactly what behavioural psychologists look for to identify signs of deception,concealment,distraction etc.Red flags to point the cops in the direction of precise questioning.Or perhaps they are just Columbus with no track record solving cases by their observations.

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By *os19Man
over a year ago

Edmonton

They didn't get away with it though, one of their children was taken. I'm sure they always regret leaving the children.

I'm also sure that social services, police etc did make sure the twins were ok to be left with their parents. It would be in the twins best interests to stay with their parents rather than have the added trauma of being taken away from their parents and placed with strangers."
. I am sure the police and social services did all the necessary checks to make sure the twins were in safe hands. I personally believe that their background had a part to play in that decision and still maintain that parents on benefits living on a council estate would have been treated differently.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Examples like that make it extremely clear that a lot of the concern trolling doesn't come from a position of good faith. It's just juicy gossip.

The amount of Columbos and Miss Marples that post on threads about this case is astonishing.

We can probably do away with the entire police force, given the experts herein.

He looks shifty. Guilty.

She hasn't cried. Guilty.

They're too calm in front of the camera. Guilty.

No-one knows how they act in the privacy of their own home.

They're medical professionals, trained to behave without panic or emotion.

And we presumably have no idea how behavioural psychologists on the case have evaluated the McCanns. What we do have is a lot of disgusting speculation by a lot of internet sleuths who want to tear these people down, and presumably give zero fucks if they harm Madeline's siblings along the way.

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By *TG3Man
over a year ago

Dorchester

You have to understand, whether you do or you dont is down to the individual, Drs deal with death everyday of their lives and ok they did an unforgivable thing leaving their young children in their room sleeping whilst they went and enjoyed themselves periodically checking on them but in order to do their job they can switch off and even though its much closer to the heart strings, their daughter, they had no choice to let go and seem a little cold hearted in doing so. Shes gone nothing can bring her back, whoever did it has got away with it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It must be awful for them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Examples like that make it extremely clear that a lot of the concern trolling doesn't come from a position of good faith. It's just juicy gossip."

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By *ndycoinsMan
over a year ago

Whaley Bridge,Nr Buxton,

Examples like that make it extremely clear that a lot of the concern trolling doesn't come from a position of good faith. It's just juicy gossip.

The amount of Columbos and Miss Marples that post on threads about this case is astonishing.

We can probably do away with the entire police force, given the experts herein.

He looks shifty. Guilty.

She hasn't cried. Guilty.

They're too calm in front of the camera. Guilty.

No-one knows how they act in the privacy of their own home.

They're medical professionals, trained to behave without panic or emotion.

Any of Maddie's siblings reading this thread?

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

Examples like that make it extremely clear that a lot of the concern trolling doesn't come from a position of good faith. It's just juicy gossip.

The amount of Columbos and Miss Marples that post on threads about this case is astonishing.

We can probably do away with the entire police force, given the experts herein.

He looks shifty. Guilty.

She hasn't cried. Guilty.

They're too calm in front of the camera. Guilty.

No-one knows how they act in the privacy of their own home.

They're medical professionals, trained to behave without panic or emotion.

Any of Maddie's siblings reading this thread?"

I'm guessing they have access to other social media. Also the forums are accessible to non members.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

Examples like that make it extremely clear that a lot of the concern trolling doesn't come from a position of good faith. It's just juicy gossip.

The amount of Columbos and Miss Marples that post on threads about this case is astonishing.

We can probably do away with the entire police force, given the experts herein.

He looks shifty. Guilty.

She hasn't cried. Guilty.

They're too calm in front of the camera. Guilty.

No-one knows how they act in the privacy of their own home.

They're medical professionals, trained to behave without panic or emotion."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Examples like that make it extremely clear that a lot of the concern trolling doesn't come from a position of good faith. It's just juicy gossip.

The amount of Columbos and Miss Marples that post on threads about this case is astonishing.

We can probably do away with the entire police force, given the experts herein.

He looks shifty. Guilty.

She hasn't cried. Guilty.

They're too calm in front of the camera. Guilty.

No-one knows how they act in the privacy of their own home.

They're medical professionals, trained to behave without panic or emotion.

Any of Maddie's siblings reading this thread?"

They don't need to read it here, they can read the very same comments on fcbk and utbe.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

You are right when you say ... I just don't know.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Examples like that make it extremely clear that a lot of the concern trolling doesn't come from a position of good faith. It's just juicy gossip.

The amount of Columbos and Miss Marples that post on threads about this case is astonishing.

We can probably do away with the entire police force, given the experts herein.

He looks shifty. Guilty.

She hasn't cried. Guilty.

They're too calm in front of the camera. Guilty.

No-one knows how they act in the privacy of their own home.

They're medical professionals, trained to behave without panic or emotion.

Any of Maddie's siblings reading this thread?"

Not a clue.

Does that make it ok to contribute to the toxic soup of speculation that probably harms their mental health?

Particularly given how often people claim to care about the children when they gossip about this shit.

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By *TG3Man
over a year ago

Dorchester

"You have to understand, whether you do or you dont is down to the individual, Drs deal with death everyday of their lives and ok they did an unforgivable thing leaving their young children in their room sleeping whilst they went and enjoyed themselves periodically checking on them but in order to do their job they can switch off and even though its much closer to the heart strings, their daughter, they had no choice to let go and seem a little cold hearted in doing so. Shes gone nothing can bring her back, whoever did it has got away with it. "
yes agreed

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By *hawn ScottMan
over a year ago

london Brixton

"Haven't they made a few bob from it? That's the unnerving thing..

How much have they made from it? "

They didn't make money to profit themselves. Police gradually cut their funding for the investigation over the years. They had go fund me, sponsored events, remortgaged their house several times to pay private investigators.

It's not like they used the money for a new BMW

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By *londebiguyMan
over a year ago

Southport

"Haven't they made a few bob from it? That's the unnerving thing..

How much have they made from it?

It's not like they used the money for a new BMW"

They used money from the investigation to pay personal expenses such as their mortgage.

That is documented and true.

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By *londebiguyMan
over a year ago

Southport

Examples like that make it extremely clear that a lot of the concern trolling doesn't come from a position of good faith. It's just juicy gossip.

The amount of Columbos and Miss Marples that post on threads about this case is astonishing.

We can probably do away with the entire police force, given the experts herein.

He looks shifty. Guilty.

She hasn't cried. Guilty.

They're too calm in front of the camera. Guilty.

No-one knows how they act in the privacy of their own home.

They're medical professionals, trained to behave without panic or emotion.

Madeleines siblings would only be harmed by comments and speculation because of the actions of their parents that evening.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Examples like that make it extremely clear that a lot of the concern trolling doesn't come from a position of good faith. It's just juicy gossip.

The amount of Columbos and Miss Marples that post on threads about this case is astonishing.

We can probably do away with the entire police force, given the experts herein.

He looks shifty. Guilty.

She hasn't cried. Guilty.

They're too calm in front of the camera. Guilty.

No-one knows how they act in the privacy of their own home.

They're medical professionals, trained to behave without panic or emotion.

Madeleines siblings would only be harmed by comments and speculation because of the actions of their parents that evening."

So that makes it acceptable for random internet people to exacerbate their pain? Because their parents started it?

good lord

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By *tsJustKateWoman
over a year ago

London

Nothing will ever convince me that the McCanns were not involved in her disappearance.

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By *londebiguyMan
over a year ago

Southport

Examples like that make it extremely clear that a lot of the concern trolling doesn't come from a position of good faith. It's just juicy gossip.

The amount of Columbos and Miss Marples that post on threads about this case is astonishing.

We can probably do away with the entire police force, given the experts herein.

He looks shifty. Guilty.

She hasn't cried. Guilty.

They're too calm in front of the camera. Guilty.

No-one knows how they act in the privacy of their own home.

They're medical professionals, trained to behave without panic or emotion.

Madeleines siblings would only be harmed by comments and speculation because of the actions of their parents that evening.

So that makes it acceptable for random internet people to exacerbate their pain? Because their parents started it?

good lord"

Where did I say that it makes it acceptable?

The fact us that it is down to the parents at the core.

They can try everything they want to try avoid that fact but it will always be inescapable.

Whether they did anything else or not, they went out to have their fun and left their children alone in the apartment.

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By *oofy321Man
over a year ago

moon base zero

"Nothing will ever convince me that the McCanns were not involved in her disappearance."

Not even the truth?

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By *ebanbetsyCouple
over a year ago

merseyside

Strange one !

Cannot get my head around it plus all the rumours

One of the latest rumours was they were swingers !

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

Examples like that make it extremely clear that a lot of the concern trolling doesn't come from a position of good faith. It's just juicy gossip.

The amount of Columbos and Miss Marples that post on threads about this case is astonishing.

We can probably do away with the entire police force, given the experts herein.

He looks shifty. Guilty.

She hasn't cried. Guilty.

They're too calm in front of the camera. Guilty.

No-one knows how they act in the privacy of their own home.

They're medical professionals, trained to behave without panic or emotion.

Madeleines siblings would only be harmed by comments and speculation because of the actions of their parents that evening.

So that makes it acceptable for random internet people to exacerbate their pain? Because their parents started it?

good lord

Where did I say that it makes it acceptable?

The fact us that it is down to the parents at the core.

They can try everything they want to try avoid that fact but it will always be inescapable.

Whether they did anything else or not, they went out to have their fun and left their children alone in the apartment.

And I'm sure that will haunt them to their end! It's time to leave the the whole family to live their lives now! X

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By *ealMissShadyWoman
over a year ago

St Albans/ Welsh Borders

"Strange one !

Cannot get my head around it plus all the rumours

One of the latest rumours was they were swingers ! "

So what if they were?

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By *ebanbetsyCouple
over a year ago

merseyside

Nothing at all just a rumour as I said

Which I heard recently which is a new one to

Me as a swinger x

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By *ervent_fervourMan
over a year ago

Halifax

Nonchalant?

How can you say this with any objectivity?

Amd how can you justify making such a subjective, insensitive comment about something you know ow nothing about?

How about we examine your nonchalant need to casually broadcast your opinions about something horrible amd get public opinion ion on it fork tje heartless?

Sometimes a poster says more about themselves without realising or intending.

Bit disappointed to be honest.

Have you ever lost a child to abduction?

Do you therefore empathise?

If so, why speculate on someone else amd hushed them from your perspective?

If you haven't lost a child, then please do learn to not to show sociopathic tendencies.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Nothing will ever convince me that the McCanns were not involved in her disappearance."

Which police station will you take your evidence to ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Examples like that make it extremely clear that a lot of the concern trolling doesn't come from a position of good faith. It's just juicy gossip.

The amount of Columbos and Miss Marples that post on threads about this case is astonishing.

We can probably do away with the entire police force, given the experts herein.

He looks shifty. Guilty.

She hasn't cried. Guilty.

They're too calm in front of the camera. Guilty.

No-one knows how they act in the privacy of their own home.

They're medical professionals, trained to behave without panic or emotion.

Madeleines siblings would only be harmed by comments and speculation because of the actions of their parents that evening.

So that makes it acceptable for random internet people to exacerbate their pain? Because their parents started it?

good lord

Where did I say that it makes it acceptable?

The fact us that it is down to the parents at the core.

They can try everything they want to try avoid that fact but it will always be inescapable.

Whether they did anything else or not, they went out to have their fun and left their children alone in the apartment.

And I'm sure that will haunt them to their end! It's time to leave the the whole family to live their lives now! X"

Well said

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By *illan-KillashMan
over a year ago

London/Sussex/Surrey/Berks/Hants

Examples like that make it extremely clear that a lot of the concern trolling doesn't come from a position of good faith. It's just juicy gossip.

The amount of Columbos and Miss Marples that post on threads about this case is astonishing.

We can probably do away with the entire police force, given the experts herein.

He looks shifty. Guilty.

She hasn't cried. Guilty.

They're too calm in front of the camera. Guilty.

No-one knows how they act in the privacy of their own home.

They're medical professionals, trained to behave without panic or emotion.

Absolutely, profiling is a thing.

It's carried out by experts in that field. Not by amateurs on a swinging site who've watched every episode of Criminal Minds.

Doubtles the police have used profiling in this case. Given that its 17 years since their daughter went missing, either the police profilers are shite or there's zero evidence that the parents had anything to do with it, other than the mistake of leaving her alone while they went out.

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By *tsJustKateWoman
over a year ago

London

"Nothing will ever convince me that the McCanns were not involved in her disappearance.

Not even the truth?"

Which we will never get!

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By *tsJustKateWoman
over a year ago

London

"Nothing will ever convince me that the McCanns were not involved in her disappearance.

Which police station will you take your evidence to ?

Where will you take yours proving their innocence?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Nothing will ever convince me that the McCanns were not involved in her disappearance.

Which police station will you take your evidence to ?

Where will you take yours proving their innocence?"

I'm sure any member of any criminal justice system in the west - and probably many clever primary school students can tell you too - will tell you that people are presumed innocent until proven guilty.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

"Nothing will ever convince me that the McCanns were not involved in her disappearance."

Perhaps you should get a job with the police or Interpol I'm sure there's many other crimes they'd love you to solve.

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames

"Nothing will ever convince me that the McCanns were not involved in her disappearance."

Strange sentence.

If you suspect that they are involved, that’s one thing. But saying that “nothing” will ever convince you is effectively announcing that you are not open to discussion, reasoning, facts, evidence etc.

I have an open mind on the subject, I see no value in guessing what happened, and see absolutely zero value in vilifying anyone involved.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Nothing will ever convince me that the McCanns were not involved in her disappearance.

Which police station will you take your evidence to ?

Where will you take yours proving their innocence?"

Good question. Probably not to any police station as there isn't any call for the innocent to prove their innocence.

I'd still welcome an answer instead of an avoidance tactic because I think it's vital that the guilty are brought to justice....

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By *ndycoinsMan
over a year ago

Whaley Bridge,Nr Buxton,

Examples like that make it extremely clear that a lot of the concern trolling doesn't come from a position of good faith. It's just juicy gossip.

The amount of Columbos and Miss Marples that post on threads about this case is astonishing.

We can probably do away with the entire police force, given the experts herein.

He looks shifty. Guilty.

She hasn't cried. Guilty.

They're too calm in front of the camera. Guilty.

No-one knows how they act in the privacy of their own home.

They're medical professionals, trained to behave without panic or emotion.

Absolutely, profiling is a thing.

It's carried out by experts in that field. Not by amateurs on a swinging site who've watched every episode of Criminal Minds.

Or that there is evidence,but not enough/strong enough/conclusive enough/precise enough to further the enquiry.Its entirely possible the police have suspicions or a theory but are "keeping their powder dry",you don't show your hand in a game of cards.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Examples like that make it extremely clear that a lot of the concern trolling doesn't come from a position of good faith. It's just juicy gossip.

The amount of Columbos and Miss Marples that post on threads about this case is astonishing.

We can probably do away with the entire police force, given the experts herein.

He looks shifty. Guilty.

She hasn't cried. Guilty.

They're too calm in front of the camera. Guilty.

No-one knows how they act in the privacy of their own home.

They're medical professionals, trained to behave without panic or emotion.

Absolutely, profiling is a thing.

It's carried out by experts in that field. Not by amateurs on a swinging site who've watched every episode of Criminal Minds.

The McCanns obviously were prime suspects initially....

They didn't just leave their children alone just once....as far as I know they did it every night....3 babies under 3yrs left alone just isn't right....& It's law breaking....

I do believe locals heard Madeline crying a few times when her parents were getting ready to go out....Apparently she was pleading with them not to go

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Examples like that make it extremely clear that a lot of the concern trolling doesn't come from a position of good faith. It's just juicy gossip.

The amount of Columbos and Miss Marples that post on threads about this case is astonishing.

We can probably do away with the entire police force, given the experts herein.

He looks shifty. Guilty.

She hasn't cried. Guilty.

They're too calm in front of the camera. Guilty.

No-one knows how they act in the privacy of their own home.

They're medical professionals, trained to behave without panic or emotion.

Absolutely, profiling is a thing.

It's carried out by experts in that field. Not by amateurs on a swinging site who've watched every episode of Criminal Minds.

The McCanns obviously were prime suspects initially....

They didn't just leave their children alone just once....as far as I know they did it every night....3 babies under 3yrs left alone just isn't right....& It's law breaking....

I do believe locals heard Madeline crying a few times when her parents were getting ready to go out....Apparently she was pleading with them not to go

Did the locals do anything about it at the time ?

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

Examples like that make it extremely clear that a lot of the concern trolling doesn't come from a position of good faith. It's just juicy gossip.

The amount of Columbos and Miss Marples that post on threads about this case is astonishing.

We can probably do away with the entire police force, given the experts herein.

He looks shifty. Guilty.

She hasn't cried. Guilty.

They're too calm in front of the camera. Guilty.

No-one knows how they act in the privacy of their own home.

They're medical professionals, trained to behave without panic or emotion.

Absolutely, profiling is a thing.

It's carried out by experts in that field. Not by amateurs on a swinging site who've watched every episode of Criminal Minds.

The McCanns obviously were prime suspects initially....

They didn't just leave their children alone just once....as far as I know they did it every night....3 babies under 3yrs left alone just isn't right....& It's law breaking....

I do believe locals heard Madeline crying a few times when her parents were getting ready to go out....Apparently she was pleading with them not to go

True story

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By *ittle. BeaverWoman
over a year ago

Launceston

Can I just check, this is a forum right? Where a question has been asked about people's opinions on a subject. And their thoughts have been invited? So although some people's opinions maybe unsavoury to some of us, they are simply that, opinions. So people on here telling others to not have an opinion cos its hurtful, or not voice it, or not speculate seems pretty stupid to me!

We can all disagree with eachother. But telling others they are wrong to voice their opinion and thoughts in a forum post that asks for people's opinions seems really stupid!

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By *londebiguyMan
over a year ago

Southport

"Can I just check, this is a forum right? Where a question has been asked about people's opinions on a subject. And their thoughts have been invited? So although some people's opinions maybe unsavoury to some of us, they are simply that, opinions. So people on here telling others to not have an opinion cos its hurtful, or not voice it, or not speculate seems pretty stupid to me!

We can all disagree with eachother. But telling others they are wrong to voice their opinion and thoughts in a forum post that asks for people's opinions seems really stupid! "

Yes!

No-one is forced to agree with anyone glad but that doesn't make their opinion wrong.

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By *illan-KillashMan
over a year ago

London/Sussex/Surrey/Berks/Hants

Examples like that make it extremely clear that a lot of the concern trolling doesn't come from a position of good faith. It's just juicy gossip.

The amount of Columbos and Miss Marples that post on threads about this case is astonishing.

We can probably do away with the entire police force, given the experts herein.

He looks shifty. Guilty.

She hasn't cried. Guilty.

They're too calm in front of the camera. Guilty.

No-one knows how they act in the privacy of their own home.

They're medical professionals, trained to behave without panic or emotion.

Absolutely, profiling is a thing.

It's carried out by experts in that field. Not by amateurs on a swinging site who've watched every episode of Criminal Minds.

I see. We've moved on from profiling to there's evidence.......but not enough.

I sense a gish gallop coming on.

You don't hold those cards for 17 years in the vain hope the other player will fold.

If the police force of two countries can't find "enough/strong enough/conclusive enough/precise enough to further the enquiry" I'm gonna go out on a limb here.....

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By *tsJustKateWoman
over a year ago

London

"Nothing will ever convince me that the McCanns were not involved in her disappearance.

Which police station will you take your evidence to ?

Where will you take yours proving their innocence?

Good question. Probably not to any police station as there isn't any call for the innocent to prove their innocence.

I'd still welcome an answer instead of an avoidance tactic because I think it's vital that the guilty are brought to justice....

OK, I'll rephrase post.

Nothing, but the arrest and conviction of another person or persons, will ever convince me the McCanns are not involved.

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By *tsJustKateWoman
over a year ago

London

We can all disagree with eachother. But telling others they are wrong to voice their opinion and thoughts in a forum post that asks for people's opinions seems really stupid! "

Exactly, but there are always those who consider their opinion more important and valid than others.

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By *illen5Man
over a year ago

Bath

My parents lived in Praia da luz and I knew the area well. If her body is buried within a few miles, it's unlikely to ever be found. We all closely scrutinised the parents in TV interviews and they don't come across very well. If the police haven't charged them then we shouldn't try them in the court of public opinion.

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By *ayjay218Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

The German guy who is in prison are they not quite sure it was him but without a confession they don’t have enough evidence to charge him? I will say the parents come across quite tough ,cold and not overly emotional yet this does not mean they look guilty and could just be their personalities to come across cold as some see it. For me if they are guilty they are the best liars to ever pull it off, their story always the same and no contradictions at a later date. Never tripped themselves up so for me they didn’t do it.

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By *asual777Man
over a year ago

i travel all over

I think parents are much more careful these days because of this case. I am not condoning them going out and leaving the kids behind but they were near by and in those days a lot of that went on.

They’ve already suffered and have done everyday since . Let’s have a bit of compassion . I am sure we ve all made mistakes where we could have been catastrophically punished and blamed for it for decades. We are just lucky it wasn’t us .

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By *orthernJayMan
over a year ago

DXB / SG / Thailand Krabi

^^^^^^ definitely this ^^^^^^

As parents, we’ve all done/said things we regret, most of the time it fades as a distant memory but unfortunately these parents have paid the ultimate price!

What’s always intrigued me is the way they’ve been targeted over the years regarding blame; I don’t recall Jamie Bulger’s mum being targeted in the same way; totally appreciate the circumstances were different but one could argue she shouldn’t have taken her eye of her child.

I recall growing up in the city and none of the parents around us ever blamed the Bulger’s, just lamented their loss and prayed for thanks it wasn’t their child!

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"I think parents are much more careful these days because of this case. I am not condoning them going out and leaving the kids behind but they were near by and in those days a lot of that went on.

Anyone who went to Butlins or Pontins in the 60s or 70s could leave children and babies in their chalet while they went to the evening entertainment. A red or blue coat would patrol listening for crying. No dbs or any form of background check and they just listened for crying, nothing else. If they heard crying they'd let someone know and it would be announced over the tannoy "baby crying in chalet 14" and a reluctant and often several drinks down parent would toddle off to check.

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over a year ago

"I think parents are much more careful these days because of this case. I am not condoning them going out and leaving the kids behind but they were near by and in those days a lot of that went on.

"leaving the kids behind but they were near by and in those days a lot of that went on"

^^^^^^^ I know of not one parent in my life who has done this ever....If you know people who have done this....(leave their very young kids alone) while they go out to wine & dine....that still doesn't make it ok & this negligent behaviour should never ever be normalised....Negligent isn't a strong enough word though tbh....

Yes they made a mistake that they will regret & pay for the rest of their lives but who in their right mind would leave 3 very young vulnerable children alone unattended almost every night so they could go out & wine & dine....far from normal parenting behaviour.

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By *heelz69Man
over a year ago

Manchester

"I think parents are much more careful these days because of this case. I am not condoning them going out and leaving the kids behind but they were near by and in those days a lot of that went on.

"leaving the kids behind but they were near by and in those days a lot of that went on"

I haven't got kids but even I know that they shouldn't be left alone!

Wasn't there a kids club or babysitting service I'm sure that I heard that?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think parents are much more careful these days because of this case. I am not condoning them going out and leaving the kids behind but they were near by and in those days a lot of that went on.

"leaving the kids behind but they were near by and in those days a lot of that went on"

I haven't got kids but even I know that they shouldn't be left alone!

Wasn't there a kids club or babysitting service I'm sure that I heard that?"

Yes there was a kids club & a babysitting service that they did not avail of....

They also had an au pair back home....Why they didn't bring her with them to Portugal I do not know....(were they just too 'tight' to pay for babysitting services & to fly their au pair over)....

They chose to leave their children alone & wineing & dining seemed their priority at the time ....more so than paying for babysitters....

{I say it how I see it}.

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By *heelz69Man
over a year ago

Manchester

"I think parents are much more careful these days because of this case. I am not condoning them going out and leaving the kids behind but they were near by and in those days a lot of that went on.

"leaving the kids behind but they were near by and in those days a lot of that went on"

I haven't got kids but even I know that they shouldn't be left alone!

Wasn't there a kids club or babysitting service I'm sure that I heard that?

Yes there was a kids club & a babysitting service that they did not avail of....

They also had an au pair back home....Why they didn't bring her with them to Portugal I do not know....(were they just too 'tight' to pay for babysitting services & to fly their au pair over)....

They chose to leave their children alone & wineing & dining seemed their priority at the time ....more so than paying for babysitters....

{I say it how I see it}."

Totally agree with you, this is not meant to offend anyone because I'm a council estate kid, but a single mum or even a couple for a council estate, would have been done for neglect for what they did, but I know that council estate mum wouldn't have left her/there children! If they wanted to go out every night fair enough but leave your kids at home!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think parents are much more careful these days because of this case. I am not condoning them going out and leaving the kids behind but they were near by and in those days a lot of that went on.

"leaving the kids behind but they were near by and in those days a lot of that went on"

I haven't got kids but even I know that they shouldn't be left alone!

Wasn't there a kids club or babysitting service I'm sure that I heard that?

Yes there was a kids club & a babysitting service that they did not avail of....

They also had an au pair back home....Why they didn't bring her with them to Portugal I do not know....(were they just too 'tight' to pay for babysitting services & to fly their au pair over)....

They chose to leave their children alone & wineing & dining seemed their priority at the time ....more so than paying for babysitters....

{I say it how I see it}."

Maybe the au pair didn't want to go with them on holiday.

I'm sure they deeply regret leaving the children that evening.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"I think parents are much more careful these days because of this case. I am not condoning them going out and leaving the kids behind but they were near by and in those days a lot of that went on.

It doesn't make it right though even then.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"^^^^^^ definitely this ^^^^^^

As parents, we’ve all done/said things we regret, most of the time it fades as a distant memory but unfortunately these parents have paid the ultimate price!

She didn't go off drinking while leaving her three kids under three in an open apartment next to a road, she let go of her childs hand to pay for her shopping. The scenarios are not only "not the same thing" they are not even in the same league

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"I think parents are much more careful these days because of this case. I am not condoning them going out and leaving the kids behind but they were near by and in those days a lot of that went on.

It doesn't make it right though even then."

No it doesn't, my mum wouldn't have done it and neither would I but lots of people did.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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To the missing child, I am sure it will be the biggest regret they ever have and something they will have to live with.

I have sympathy that they have lost their child, whatever happened to her, but it doesn't mean that I think what they did was the right thing to do.

We are not talking about an odd time you let your childs hand go and your heart stops before you realise they are behind you, we are talking about willful neglect of your three children

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By *oberto7Man
over a year ago

Greenock

Ffs who cares

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over a year ago

I care

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By *amantha_JadeWoman
over a year ago

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"^^^^^^ definitely this ^^^^^^

As parents, we’ve all done/said things we regret, most of the time it fades as a distant memory but unfortunately these parents have paid the ultimate price!

Agreed. Totally different circumstances and the comparison with the Jamie Bulgar case is quite frankly, ridiculous. The McCanns chose to swan off and neglect their three young children, when they had multiple options available to help ensure their safety. I find it quite bizarre that people try to defend their actions.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"To the missing child, I am sure it will be the biggest regret they ever have and something they will have to live with.

I have sympathy that they have lost their child, whatever happened to her, but it doesn't mean that I think what they did was the right thing to do.

We are not talking about an odd time you let your childs hand go and your heart stops before you realise they are behind you, we are talking about willful neglect of your three children "

Rugby, we agree on something. Totally agree here.

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By *andering Welsh GuyMan
over a year ago

All over the place

I can't understand why you leave children that young unsupervised that is a huge red flag, which is the first of many unexplained issues i have with the parents.

Have they ever done a lie detector?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I can't understand why you leave children that young unsupervised that is a huge red flag, which is the first of many unexplained issues i have with the parents.

Have they ever done a lie detector?"

You can read the police files for the case. That would tell you.

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By *andering Welsh GuyMan
over a year ago

All over the place

"I can't understand why you leave children that young unsupervised that is a huge red flag, which is the first of many unexplained issues i have with the parents.

Have they ever done a lie detector?

You can read the police files for the case. That would tell you. "

I'm guessing they would be in Portuguese? Just wondering if they have ever spoken about doing one or even been asked?

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By *heelz69Man
over a year ago

Manchester

"^^^^^^ definitely this ^^^^^^

As parents, we’ve all done/said things we regret, most of the time it fades as a distant memory but unfortunately these parents have paid the ultimate price!

Wow totally agree with you, James bulgur was out of his mum's eye sight for seconds, plus as soon as she noticed she was frantically looking for him, not only that she was in a shopping centre in her home town, and how many mums and dads have done the exact same thing, unfortunately and extremely sadly on that day there were 2 twisted little f##king little tw#ts, hunting for a child to do what they did!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"^^^^^^ definitely this ^^^^^^

As parents, we’ve all done/said things we regret, most of the time it fades as a distant memory but unfortunately these parents have paid the ultimate price!

"I find it quite bizarre that people try to defend their actions"....

^^^^^^^ I'm finding it quite bizarre & strange also how so many here are defending the McCanns actions....It's making me think the ones defending have done something similar i.e abandoned & negligeted their children to wine & dine ....

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"^^^^^^ definitely this ^^^^^^

As parents, we’ve all done/said things we regret, most of the time it fades as a distant memory but unfortunately these parents have paid the ultimate price!

"I find it quite bizarre that people try to defend their actions"....

That's a big assumption to make about people who have a different opinion to you.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"^^^^^^ definitely this ^^^^^^

As parents, we’ve all done/said things we regret, most of the time it fades as a distant memory but unfortunately these parents have paid the ultimate price!

"I find it quite bizarre that people try to defend their actions"....

Wow! Just wow!

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By *atnip make me purrWoman
over a year ago

Reading

"^^^^^^ definitely this ^^^^^^

As parents, we’ve all done/said things we regret, most of the time it fades as a distant memory but unfortunately these parents have paid the ultimate price!

They made a parenting choice which i wouldn't have made. But they paid a terrible terrible price for it. They have my full sympathy.

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By *illan-KillashMan
over a year ago

London/Sussex/Surrey/Berks/Hants

"^^^^^^ definitely this ^^^^^^

As parents, we’ve all done/said things we regret, most of the time it fades as a distant memory but unfortunately these parents have paid the ultimate price!

"I find it quite bizarre that people try to defend their actions"....

Possibly the most judgemental post I've seen on the forums.

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By *lym4realCouple
over a year ago

plymouth

Sadly we'll never know what exactly happened and sadly all the speculations and false accusations made about the mum and dad ?? reason why the tinternet is fast becoming a very toxic place ? and didn't the police apologise to the parents anyway ?? and some do seem to forget there was a lovelly little girl invovled in this ??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I can't understand why you leave children that young unsupervised that is a huge red flag, which is the first of many unexplained issues i have with the parents.

Have they ever done a lie detector?

You can read the police files for the case. That would tell you.

I'm guessing they would be in Portuguese? Just wondering if they have ever spoken about doing one or even been asked?"

They are translated.

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley

" Sadly we'll never know what exactly happened and sadly all the speculations and false accusations made about the mum and dad ?? reason why the tinternet is fast becoming a very toxic place ? and didn't the police apologise to the parents anyway ?? and some do seem to forget there was a lovelly little girl invovled in this ??

I'm sure that one particular newspaper won't let its readers forget the little girl.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"^^^^^^ definitely this ^^^^^^

As parents, we’ve all done/said things we regret, most of the time it fades as a distant memory but unfortunately these parents have paid the ultimate price!

"I find it quite bizarre that people try to defend their actions"....

I havn't seen anyone defending them but i may have missed that as i only skim read some posts.

I think they did wrong in leaving the children.

I'm sure they regret that every day and i don't see the point in punishing them anymore. Nor do i think the other children should be taken off them by social services.

I don't think they had any involvement in taking the child.

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By *weetiepie99Woman
over a year ago

cardiff

"^^^^^^ definitely this ^^^^^^

As parents, we’ve all done/said things we regret, most of the time it fades as a distant memory but unfortunately these parents have paid the ultimate price!

"I find it quite bizarre that people try to defend their actions"....

Don't be so f***ing ridiculous!! Just because their opinion is not the same as yours, it doesn't mean that at all!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"^^^^^^ definitely this ^^^^^^

As parents, we’ve all done/said things we regret, most of the time it fades as a distant memory but unfortunately these parents have paid the ultimate price!

They made a parenting choice which i wouldn't have made. But they paid a terrible terrible price for it. They have my full sympathy."

Mine too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"^^^^^^ definitely this ^^^^^^

As parents, we’ve all done/said things we regret, most of the time it fades as a distant memory but unfortunately these parents have paid the ultimate price!

"I find it quite bizarre that people try to defend their actions"....

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley

Could somebody please translate for me what the above four yellow faces mean.

Hovering my mouse over them does nothing with my browser, so without any comment by way of words, I don't know the poster's stance.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"Could somebody please translate for me what the above four yellow faces mean.

Hovering my mouse over them does nothing with my browser, so without any comment by way of words, I don't know the poster's stance."

I use that one for flabbergasted! X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"^^^^^^ definitely this ^^^^^^

As parents, we’ve all done/said things we regret, most of the time it fades as a distant memory but unfortunately these parents have paid the ultimate price!

"I find it quite bizarre that people try to defend their actions"....

I honestly just don't understand how some are defending & justifying the fact they left 3 babies under 4 alone....some have said "sure it was only down the road" & "lots did it back then"....Maybe I should think before I speak in future....

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By *illan-KillashMan
over a year ago

London/Sussex/Surrey/Berks/Hants

"^^^^^^ definitely this ^^^^^^

As parents, we’ve all done/said things we regret, most of the time it fades as a distant memory but unfortunately these parents have paid the ultimate price!

"I find it quite bizarre that people try to defend their actions"....

I don't see people defending what they did. I see people who have sympathy for their loss, but not with what contributed to it.

Suggesting people are sympathetic only because they've done the same thing is a Hell of a leap IMHO.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"^^^^^^ definitely this ^^^^^^

As parents, we’ve all done/said things we regret, most of the time it fades as a distant memory but unfortunately these parents have paid the ultimate price!

"I find it quite bizarre that people try to defend their actions"....

I don't see people defending what they did. I see people who have sympathy for their loss, but not with what contributed to it.

Suggesting people are sympathetic only because they've done the same thing is a Hell of a leap IMHO.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"^^^^^^ definitely this ^^^^^^

As parents, we’ve all done/said things we regret, most of the time it fades as a distant memory but unfortunately these parents have paid the ultimate price!

"I find it quite bizarre that people try to defend their actions"....

I don't see people defending what they did. I see people who have sympathy for their loss, but not with what contributed to it.

Suggesting people are sympathetic only because they've done the same thing is a Hell of a leap IMHO.

"Suggesting people are sympathetic only because they've done the same thing is a Hell of a leap IMHO"....

^^^^^^^ I wasn't suggesting "people were being sympathetic only because they've done the same thing".... I'll be honest.... I did find it quite strange that some seemed to think it was ok what the McCanns did (leaving their children alone so they could go out)....by saying "they were only down the road" & "lots did it".

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"To the missing child, I am sure it will be the biggest regret they ever have and something they will have to live with.

I have sympathy that they have lost their child, whatever happened to her, but it doesn't mean that I think what they did was the right thing to do.

We are not talking about an odd time you let your childs hand go and your heart stops before you realise they are behind you, we are talking about willful neglect of your three children

Rugby, we agree on something.

If that is the first time ever, lets go halves on a lottery ticket

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

I do believe locals heard Madeline crying a few times when her parents were getting ready to go out....Apparently she was pleading with them not to go

True story"

I am not sure whether this was sarcasm or not, so will just say that the programme the parents were on that gave their account of what happened, they mentioned that the day before she dissappeared Madeline had said to the parents that she had woken up when they were out and was crying for them so although I don't know about anyone else hearing them , the parents knew she was crying for them when they were not there.

They then went out again.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

PS in case of confusion by the way I worded the last post, that was them actually saying it on camera

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