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Should they ban mobile phones in schools?

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By *hagTonight OP   Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

I was watching the news and they talked about how many countries are now considering banning mobiles from school, such as sweden and spain.

They mentioned few things of the negative effects from using the mobile such as, it can distract the pupil from the subject and also by using it they dont show respect to the teachers which in return they might not get a good grade in the subject as they dont pay attention of what is being taught.

What is your view about it? Is it a good idea to ban mobiles phones in schools? I agree with them that it is a good idea, as it would improve their learning, what about if they can just use it on the brake and when the class is starting they put it in a basket or should it be a total ban of it on the premise?

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By *otallysmoothMan
over a year ago

Telford

Yes I think they should, kids relying on them to much. They can leave them in a safe place when they get there, pick up after school fin.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don’t think it’s necessary to have a ban on its presence in the school. Like you, Shag, I think break times outside of lessons should be allowed. However, not to be used inside the classrooms, at all.

Those restrictions work perfectly well at my son’s school.

M

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By *exy_HornyCouple
over a year ago

Leigh


"I was watching the news and they talked about how many countries are now considering banning mobiles from school, such as sweden and spain.

They mentioned few things of the negative effects from using the mobile such as, it can distract the pupil from the subject and also by using it they dont show respect to the teachers which in return they might not get a good grade in the subject as they dont pay attention of what is being taught.

What is your view about it? Is it a good idea to ban mobiles phones in schools? I agree with them that it is a good idea, as it would improve their learning, what about if they can just use it on the brake and when the class is starting they put it in a basket or should it be a total ban of it on the premise? "

Total ban. It should improve results in exams.

It may also improve spelling, unless you meant that the kids are joyriding in cars at school.

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By *riar BelisseWoman
over a year ago

Delightful Bliss

We already do this shag. Most secondary schools policy is, Its supposed to be turned off and put away in their bags during school hours, juniors tend to hand their phones in during the day.

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By *edplusoneCouple
over a year ago

West Midlands

For some kids, particularly the shy ones the phones are lifeline for them. But obviously shouldn’t be allowed in class.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes I think they should, kids relying on them to much. They can leave them in a safe place when they get there, pick up after school fin. "

I’m often curious about this reference to their ‘relying’ on the phones too much. To do what?

M

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The secondary school two of my children go too have already banned phones completely. Not even allowed on school grounds even whilst turnt off and in their school bags.

All because small groups were filming other kids during breaktimes or lunch times and loading the videos onto social media without them knowing.

I agree with the ban, but now it makes it really difficult for me to get hold of them if I need too as they don't have their phones on them.

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By *hief_Of_AlwaysMan
over a year ago

The last house on the left…

Yes

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By *ellinever70Woman
over a year ago

Ayrshire


"The secondary school two of my children go too have already banned phones completely. Not even allowed on school grounds even whilst turnt off and in their school bags.

All because small groups were filming other kids during breaktimes or lunch times and loading the videos onto social media without them knowing.

I agree with the ban, but now it makes it really difficult for me to get hold of them if I need too as they don't have their phones on them.

"

Out of curiosity, why would you need to get hold of them during the school day?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The secondary school two of my children go too have already banned phones completely. Not even allowed on school grounds even whilst turnt off and in their school bags.

All because small groups were filming other kids during breaktimes or lunch times and loading the videos onto social media without them knowing.

I agree with the ban, but now it makes it really difficult for me to get hold of them if I need too as they don't have their phones on them.

"

For me, I think that by banning it outright for that reason is simply plastering over the bigger issue of consent and respect for people’s personal space. The school lost a good opportunity to teach those boundaries with their own, in-house, example of it.

M

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By *hagTonight OP   Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.


"Yes I think they should, kids relying on them to much. They can leave them in a safe place when they get there, pick up after school fin. "
Yes, picking it after the school would be good for them too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The secondary school two of my children go too have already banned phones completely. Not even allowed on school grounds even whilst turnt off and in their school bags.

All because small groups were filming other kids during breaktimes or lunch times and loading the videos onto social media without them knowing.

I agree with the ban, but now it makes it really difficult for me to get hold of them if I need too as they don't have their phones on them.

For me, I think that by banning it outright for that reason is simply plastering over the bigger issue of consent and respect for people’s personal space. The school lost a good opportunity to teach those boundaries with their own, in-house, example of it.

M"

Whether we like it or not mobile phones, social media and all other paraphernalia surrounding modern ( teenage) life is here to stay. Schools should regulate use during the day.

One school advocates a text break in the afternoon as it has identified phone separation anxiety as being an issue for kids concentrating.

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By *aissez-faireMan
over a year ago

Right behind you…. Boo

Where I live there are a few schools who have a collective policy. The children have to leave their phones in their lockers all day. If they are caught using their phone during the day it is confiscated until after the last lesson on Friday.

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By *entlemanrogueMan
over a year ago

Motherwell


"The secondary school two of my children go too have already banned phones completely. Not even allowed on school grounds even whilst turnt off and in their school bags.

All because small groups were filming other kids during breaktimes or lunch times and loading the videos onto social media without them knowing.

I agree with the ban, but now it makes it really difficult for me to get hold of them if I need too as they don't have their phones on them.

Out of curiosity, why would you need to get hold of them during the school day?"

The bigger concern is, if the child needs to get hold of a parent/caregiver.

I remember a few teachers at school were simply bullies, and we all know there is worse then just bullying that goes on.

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By *obilebottomMan
over a year ago

All over

It is a difficult one in this day and age but there should definately be strict rules set sit by the school and parents who sometimes abdicate all sorts of responsibility to schools alone.

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By *hagTonight OP   Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.


"I don’t think it’s necessary to have a ban on its presence in the school. Like you, Shag, I think break times outside of lessons should be allowed. However, not to be used inside the classrooms, at all.

Those restrictions work perfectly well at my son’s school.

M"
Hi mistletoes, that is good that the restrictions are working at that school too and yes, outside of the lessons is a good idea as well

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By *ereforfun200Man
over a year ago

North West


"Yes I think they should, kids relying on them to much. They can leave them in a safe place when they get there, pick up after school fin. "
I agree totally with this. My kids have long left school but still,if they were in school, I'd makes sure the teachers put them in a safe place when they arrive and given back at break times and for the journey home. Just my opinion but everyone's entitled to their's too.

Love and peace all.

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By *educing_EmCouple
over a year ago

Tipperary

Most secondary schools here have them banner already.

When I went you had to have it turned off on your locker the minute you got into school.

If you were seen with it they'd take it from you for a week.

Em x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The secondary school two of my children go too have already banned phones completely. Not even allowed on school grounds even whilst turnt off and in their school bags.

All because small groups were filming other kids during breaktimes or lunch times and loading the videos onto social media without them knowing.

I agree with the ban, but now it makes it really difficult for me to get hold of them if I need too as they don't have their phones on them.

Out of curiosity, why would you need to get hold of them during the school day?"

Usually when I've not been able to collect my daughter. I've text my eldest son asking for him to wait for her and for her to come home with him and his mates as I don't want her alone walking back in the dark through what is effectively still a building site round where i live.

Paranoid mum completely I know but i want her safe.

Also the school reception is so crap they have a habit of not passing on messages to your kids before school finishes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The secondary school two of my children go too have already banned phones completely. Not even allowed on school grounds even whilst turnt off and in their school bags.

All because small groups were filming other kids during breaktimes or lunch times and loading the videos onto social media without them knowing.

I agree with the ban, but now it makes it really difficult for me to get hold of them if I need too as they don't have their phones on them.

For me, I think that by banning it outright for that reason is simply plastering over the bigger issue of consent and respect for people’s personal space. The school lost a good opportunity to teach those boundaries with their own, in-house, example of it.

M"

Exactly!

Could have been handled much better by the school.

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By *glyBettyTV/TS
over a year ago

About 3 feet away from the fence

If I was going to school in the era of smartphones, of course I would be paying less attention to the teacher. I would be thinking "whatever you're trying to teach me, I can Google everything there is to know about the topic in 5 seconds" the whole time.

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man
over a year ago

BRIDPORT


"The secondary school two of my children go too have already banned phones completely. Not even allowed on school grounds even whilst turnt off and in their school bags.

All because small groups were filming other kids during breaktimes or lunch times and loading the videos onto social media without them knowing.

I agree with the ban, but now it makes it really difficult for me to get hold of them if I need too as they don't have their phones on them.

For me, I think that by banning it outright for that reason is simply plastering over the bigger issue of consent and respect for people’s personal space. The school lost a good opportunity to teach those boundaries with their own, in-house, example of it.

M"

I think they have taught another equally valid lesson.

That in life actions have consequences and very often the actions of a few adversely impact many, so think before you act and ask yourself will your actions adversely affect others.

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By *2000ManMan
over a year ago

Worthing

Yes a ban but ensure a few free outside lines for emergancies are available. At least a teacher controlled phone for this.

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

In schools yes. But I want mine to have theirs for the journey. They have to hand them in at my daughter’s school and get them back at the end of the day.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

I don't think a ban would work in most of the secondary schools I have experience of. It'd be difficult in some of the primary schools.

I don't know what the answer is though. Making students surrender their phone at the start of the day adds one more responsibility for staff members, imagine the furore if someone's £500 phone goes missing. Allowing them to keep them but switched off is like giving a toddler a bag of sweets and telling them not to eat it.

A school in this area has secure pouches that phones are deposited in at the start of the day and retrieved from at home time. The school had to spend resources that could have been used elsewhere on them but that's progress for you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

For me, I think that by banning it outright for that reason is simply plastering over the bigger issue of consent and respect for people’s personal space. The school lost a good opportunity to teach those boundaries with their own, in-house, example of it.

M

I think they have taught another equally valid lesson.

That in life actions have consequences and very often the actions of a few adversely impact many, so think before you act and ask yourself will your actions adversely affect others. "

That is a valid lesson indeed but I’m still certain that it didn’t address the bigger issue of consent to be filmed and posted online, which would also highlight the impact of one’s actions on another.

As you’ve said, make one ‘ask yourself will your actions adversely affect others’ by invading someone else’s privacy. I’d rather they were forced to understand the consequences rather than just be made to perform it.

M

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By *hagTonight OP   Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

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By *hagTonight OP   Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.


"We already do this shag. Most secondary schools policy is, Its supposed to be turned off and put away in their bags during school hours, juniors tend to hand their phones in during the day."
Hi christena, that is good that the school there is already doing it and that is also a good policy they have, to turn it off and to put it in their bags during the school hours

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By *uffolkcouple-bi onlyCouple
over a year ago

Tonbridge

In my experience, a lot of schools don’t allow the use of phones. Kids can take them in but should switch them off at the gate. Not all do of course. The last school I worked at confiscated phones if they caught kids using them and parents had to come into school to collect them.

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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago

East London

Students aren't allowed phones out in class.

Times have changed and having a mobile phone when they are not at home is a lifeline for some children.

There's a risk their phones will be taken illegaly though, and not always by other children.

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton


"If you were seen with it they'd take it from you for a week.

Em x"

If they took my child's phone for a week, I'd be down the school the next day to pick it up.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I'd go for a ban or outside of learning times, at most

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By *weetiepie99Woman
over a year ago

cardiff


"In schools yes. But I want mine to have theirs for the journey. They have to hand them in at my daughter’s school and get them back at the end of the day. "

This completely. When mine were younger they were allowed them after school. I liked to be able to reach them if need be for their jorney home.

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By *weetiepie99Woman
over a year ago

cardiff


"In schools yes. But I want mine to have theirs for the journey. They have to hand them in at my daughter’s school and get them back at the end of the day.

This completely. When mine were younger they were allowed them after school. I liked to be able to reach them if need be for their jorney home."

*journey

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By *hagTonight OP   Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.


"It is a difficult one in this day and age but there should definately be strict rules set sit by the school and parents who sometimes abdicate all sorts of responsibility to schools alone. "
Yes, it is a difficult one and yes, there need to be strict rules by both too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don’t think they need to ban them but I’m not that bothered about it as a rule.

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By *a LunaWoman
over a year ago

South Wales

It depends. In the wrong hands they are a force for evil. In the right hands they enable you to get WhatsApp messages of your child in Science class demonstrating stuff.

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By *tephanjMan
over a year ago

Kettering

I think smart phones should be banned from school, but maybe if children were able to have a dumb phone that only makes call or receive on they should be ok

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I never had a hand held device, we managed. If an emergency happens the school will contact parents.

It encourages safe guarding issues.

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By *uri00620Woman
over a year ago

Croydon

Yes, our problems are pupils creating massive group chats and using it as a way to bully and intimidate. Parents also hijacking kids WhatsApp groups and threatening pupils which then causes a much bigger problem, with several parents wading in hurling abuse at one another. It's a minefield, so much time is wasted sorting these issues out.

Equally pupils videoing both unsuspecting pupils and staff in school as a huge problem. Whilst there are still problems resulting from phone use which inevitably comes into school the instant backlash and reactivate behaviour is definitely less with phones not being on site.

When pupils need to call home they do so from the office but the reality is this seldom needs to happen, likewise parents contacting their children in the day.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How did we manage at school before mobile phones were invented.. just fine is the answer and if parents needed to contact you they rang the school.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

Some moaning snowflake parents will start whinging about their kid's freedom's blah blah blah blah blah blah and the system will back down and let them do exactly what they want.

Kid's and parents do whatever they want today,no consequences for bad behaviour,no boundaries no doesn't mean no it means " oh I'm sorry I didn't mean to upset you sweetheart, you carry on smashing shit up, talking to people however you want and feel free to post lies about me all over Facebook and ruining my career"

You can ban them all you want,it won't make a single difference at all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don’t thinking banning things in school is bad. I take issue with schools taking phones away from students and not returning them at eod or until parents collect them. That is ridiculous imo. But phones don’t add to learning on site so there’s no need to advocate for children to be allowed to use them during the school day. I think students do need phones travelling to and from school and especially when it gets dark earlier, would expect school to not send kids home without their phones.

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley


"I think smart phones should be banned from school, but maybe if children were able to have a dumb phone that only makes call or receive on they should be ok "

There are still plenty of basic phones on the market, although probably none without a camera or some type of data connection, so no problem getting hold of a means of family contact. To be fair, phone boxes are now non-existent so we cant really compare former situations.

As it is reasonable to allow emergency contact with children while off the school site, there should be a nationwide agreement to only allow very basic dumbphones for travel safety and no devices whatsoever inside the learning environment.

My trusty maxim of not having children at all would, in any case, keep me away from conflict over such matters.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Some moaning snowflake parents will start whinging about their kid's freedom's blah blah blah blah blah blah and the system will back down and let them do exactly what they want.

Kid's and parents do whatever they want today,no consequences for bad behaviour,no boundaries no doesn't mean no it means " oh I'm sorry I didn't mean to upset you sweetheart, you carry on smashing shit up, talking to people however you want and feel free to post lies about me all over Facebook and ruining my career"

You can ban them all you want,it won't make a single difference at all."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think so, but would it be possible to just label them and give them to the teacher at the start of class and then they don't have to worry about kids not paying attention?

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By *ecretSilverlinkMan
over a year ago

Manchester

my school did when i was there but it just lead to more and more issues people sneaking them in etc

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By *tanley FunseekerMan
over a year ago

stanley

Maybe ban them in the classroom during teaching time. Once had a job where I was required to spend time in a very secure area. All outside moveable media was banned, phones, laptops etc so before entering security took it off me , logged every item put it in a secure locker and it stayed there til I left and signed it back into my possession. A similar approach in schools may be workable

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe ban school.

The teachers don't want them cos Google gives the kids far more than they will ever learn. I take my phone to work... so does everyone I know. We use them all the time... far more useful using a phone then sitting their like victorian England... reciting useless facts.

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By *obilebottomMan
over a year ago

All over


"Some moaning snowflake parents will start whinging about their kid's freedom's blah blah blah blah blah blah and the system will back down and let them do exactly what they want.

Kid's and parents do whatever they want today,no consequences for bad behaviour,no boundaries no doesn't mean no it means " oh I'm sorry I didn't mean to upset you sweetheart, you carry on smashing shit up, talking to people however you want and feel free to post lies about me all over Facebook and ruining my career"

You can ban them all you want,it won't make a single difference at all."

It pains me tp say that there is a lot of truth in that.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

I can see both good and bad with them but no don't ban them! Schools in our area are introducing those case things so they can't b used in lesson times but they are good for personal safety at secondary school whilst walking alone to and from x

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford


"Some moaning snowflake parents will start whinging about their kid's freedom's blah blah blah blah blah blah and the system will back down and let them do exactly what they want.

Kid's and parents do whatever they want today,no consequences for bad behaviour,no boundaries no doesn't mean no it means " oh I'm sorry I didn't mean to upset you sweetheart, you carry on smashing shit up, talking to people however you want and feel free to post lies about me all over Facebook and ruining my career"

You can ban them all you want,it won't make a single difference at all."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I was watching the news and they talked about how many countries are now considering banning mobiles from school, such as sweden and spain.

They mentioned few things of the negative effects from using the mobile such as, it can distract the pupil from the subject and also by using it they dont show respect to the teachers which in return they might not get a good grade in the subject as they dont pay attention of what is being taught.

What is your view about it? Is it a good idea to ban mobiles phones in schools? I agree with them that it is a good idea, as it would improve their learning, what about if they can just use it on the brake and when the class is starting they put it in a basket or should it be a total ban of it on the premise? "

I personally think that schools should have lockers in each form room which is covered by cctv so no phones cant go missing then the children can actually learn to respect the teachers and actually achieve good grades instead of going on social media and being distracted

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By *ealMissShadyWoman
over a year ago

St Albans/ Welsh Borders

I can see both sides. If only it were attention issues that Schools had concerns over, safegaurding concerns would also be a problem, e.g upskirting, doxxing, explicit images being taken, sharing of images, the list goes on and yes I know this stuff happens outside of School but why shouldn't schools take measures to minimise the risk

But then kids should be able to contact parents if they need too. We live in a remote area, School was in the next town and the School wasn't great at communicating.

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By *ermite12ukMan
over a year ago

Solihull and Brentwood

No. Just have something that scrambles the radio waves. Except for the staff room.

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By *hagTonight OP   Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.


"Yes a ban but ensure a few free outside lines for emergancies are available. At least a teacher controlled phone for this."
Yes, a teacher controlled phone would be a good idea too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No phones in school end of

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes. No phones will mean the kids will fall to interacting with each other and learn social skills.

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By *ldgeezermeMan
over a year ago

Newcastle

So in conclusion

Whatever the schools do it will be wrong in someone's opinion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes 100% in class

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By *tylebender03Man
over a year ago

Manchester

No. I think what happens is teachers spend so much time with children they become petty themselves. Respect the children’s privacy. Obv don’t allow in lessons

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"Maybe ban them in the classroom during teaching time. Once had a job where I was required to spend time in a very secure area. All outside moveable media was banned, phones, laptops etc so before entering security took it off me , logged every item put it in a secure locker and it stayed there til I left and signed it back into my possession. A similar approach in schools may be workable "

The average secondary school has over 1000 pupils going to 5-6 different lessons, with different teachers, in different buildings (sometimes different sites for teachers to move between) each day, 5 days a week. I'm going to suggest that is much less practical for the average secondary school where the youngest children are 11.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

Banning things rarely helps. It just creates black markets. I agree with M of Milestones.

Mobile phones and social media are here to stay - mobiles were becoming an issue when we were at secondary school in the very late 1990s/early 2000s, for heaven's sake. We had people sending texts during class (under the table) and playing snake on old Nokias.

The difference "in our day" was there were phone boxes everywhere and our parents gave us phone cards to keep in our wallet, so if something happened, we could phone for help. Many kids attend schools some distance from home and must take public transport, not school provides buses. Trains and trams get cancelled etc. I wouldn't want my child stranded at a train station with no way to alert me. There are no longer public phones everywhere, like there were when I was travelling to and fro to secondary school.

Also banning a tool of modern life is like banning laptops or iPads in the workplace. Why not teach kids how to use smart phones, the interweb, social media etc safely? These things are fundamental parts of modern life, like it or not. In many parts of life, it's impossible to function without a phone/internet - think about banking online payments, managing bills (all online), booking appointments etc.

At school, they taught us how to write cheques - kinda pointless now, but useful at the time. The modern equivalent requires a smart phone.

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By *stwo2023Couple
over a year ago

Worcester

Yes. You don't need access 24/7 and lots of work places don't allow you to have your phone on you. I've worked in 2 such industries...one where it was just policy and hard to uphold, one where it's actually illegal to bring your phone in.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

I work in education and think that it would be a good idea to totally ban mobiles in school.

The issues we see with phones go far beyond googling answers and sending messages with classes. They are a big tool for bullying, and are used constantly for inappropriate purposes.

For the people saying that "banning is a missed opportunity to teach the kids something", the opportunity has already passed. ALL schools have rules about the use of phones, but KIDS BREAK THE RULES!

The real big advantage of banning phones, is that students might actually interact with each other properly and learn some social skills, rather than just getting their phones out.

I also understand that parents might need to communicate to their children during the school day, BUT this should be done through the school reception. If your school's reception isn't doing this job effectively, then just make sure that you mention that the passing on of this message is a "safeguarding" necessity.

Cal

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By *isfits behaving badlyCouple
over a year ago

Coventry

I've worked in places where all mobile phones have to be handed in on entry to site and stored in individual lockers. Then collected on exit.

I think that would be a good system at schools too. Because I think phones are a problematic distraction and risk in school time. However also as a parent I want my child to have a phone while outside of school transiting and for socialising/staying in touch at schools end (they don't live near to other kids at the school). Also taking a phone with them helps teach them to be responsible for their kit.

Mr

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By *obilebottomMan
over a year ago

All over


"I work in education and think that it would be a good idea to totally ban mobiles in school.

The issues we see with phones go far beyond googling answers and sending messages with classes. They are a big tool for bullying, and are used constantly for inappropriate purposes.

For the people saying that "banning is a missed opportunity to teach the kids something", the opportunity has already passed. ALL schools have rules about the use of phones, but KIDS BREAK THE RULES!

The real big advantage of banning phones, is that students might actually interact with each other properly and learn some social skills, rather than just getting their phones out.

I also understand that parents might need to communicate to their children during the school day, BUT this should be done through the school reception. If your school's reception isn't doing this job effectively, then just make sure that you mention that the passing on of this message is a "safeguarding" necessity.

Cal"

A good balanced point of view. Sadly though schools don't always get the backing of parents with sensible decisions and policies. Also a case of apples don't fall far from the tree in some instances too.

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By *BWarksCouple
over a year ago

warwick

If the child needs a parent, which is unlikely, they should ask to visit the reception and ask them to call the parent for them …… simple….. it’s what happened during my school days, and I never once called home and I was at boarding school

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"I work in education and think that it would be a good idea to totally ban mobiles in school.

The issues we see with phones go far beyond googling answers and sending messages with classes. They are a big tool for bullying, and are used constantly for inappropriate purposes.

For the people saying that "banning is a missed opportunity to teach the kids something", the opportunity has already passed. ALL schools have rules about the use of phones, but KIDS BREAK THE RULES!

The real big advantage of banning phones, is that students might actually interact with each other properly and learn some social skills, rather than just getting their phones out.

I also understand that parents might need to communicate to their children during the school day, BUT this should be done through the school reception. If your school's reception isn't doing this job effectively, then just make sure that you mention that the passing on of this message is a "safeguarding" necessity.

Cal

A good balanced point of view. Sadly though schools don't always get the backing of parents with sensible decisions and policies. Also a case of apples don't fall far from the tree in some instances too."

I totally agree, we literally have parents sat in meetings with the head... scrolling through their phone the entire time. So it's no surprise that through students are wanting their phone glued to their hand, it's what they've learned at home.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford


"If the child needs a parent, which is unlikely, they should ask to visit the reception and ask them to call the parent for them …… simple….. it’s what happened during my school days, and I never once called home and I was at boarding school "

And the traveling to and from school alone? X

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By *hagTonight OP   Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.


"I don't think a ban would work in most of the secondary schools I have experience of. It'd be difficult in some of the primary schools.

I don't know what the answer is though. Making students surrender their phone at the start of the day adds one more responsibility for staff members, imagine the furore if someone's £500 phone goes missing. Allowing them to keep them but switched off is like giving a toddler a bag of sweets and telling them not to eat it.

A school in this area has secure pouches that phones are deposited in at the start of the day and retrieved from at home time. The school had to spend resources that could have been used elsewhere on them but that's progress for you"
You are right there, it would be difficult, that is good that the school there have secure pouches that the pones are deposited in during the school day too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If the child needs a parent, which is unlikely, they should ask to visit the reception and ask them to call the parent for them …… simple….. it’s what happened during my school days, and I never once called home and I was at boarding school "

I was at school about 10 years ago and had my phone confiscated for a whole term.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I was watching the news and they talked about how many countries are now considering banning mobiles from school, such as sweden and spain.

They mentioned few things of the negative effects from using the mobile such as, it can distract the pupil from the subject and also by using it they dont show respect to the teachers which in return they might not get a good grade in the subject as they dont pay attention of what is being taught.

What is your view about it? Is it a good idea to ban mobiles phones in schools? I agree with them that it is a good idea, as it would improve their learning, what about if they can just use it on the brake and when the class is starting they put it in a basket or should it be a total ban of it on the premise? "

Yes unless medical conditions require it

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By *layfullsamMan
over a year ago

Solihull

I think below a certain age phones should be banned full stop.

Sad scene on gogglebox when Mary was crying watching a film of children in the 60’s I think just being kids without a care in the world.

Same as my yoof, I think mobile phones and the internet have a lot to answer for

Yes I appreciate the few benefits of kids having phones but maybe it would up some peoples parenting game if they had to know where their children are without having to rely on a phone

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley


"...imagine the furore if someone's £500 phone goes missing...

"

£500 phone!

I think I've had a lucky escape by not having children (and by getting out of teaching before this became an issue).

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"...imagine the furore if someone's £500 phone goes missing...

"

Many of the kids have the latest "flagship" models, so we're talking about £1200+ phones... and 80% of them have got smashed screens too, because they don't have to earn them so they don't understand the true cost.

Cal

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By *hagTonight OP   Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.


"Yes I think they should, kids relying on them to much. They can leave them in a safe place when they get there, pick up after school fin.

I’m often curious about this reference to their ‘relying’ on the phones too much. To do what?

M"
Yes. I am also wondering why they would need it during school hours

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By *aomilatteCouple
over a year ago

Midlands

Our Son got suspended three times for looking at Adult sites in class when lessons were on. He was on a big boobs website. Now he's been expelled. He'll never get a teaching job again!

Merry Christmas all

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By *ermbiMan
over a year ago

Ballyshannon


"The secondary school two of my children go too have already banned phones completely. Not even allowed on school grounds even whilst turnt off and in their school bags.

All because small groups were filming other kids during breaktimes or lunch times and loading the videos onto social media without them knowing.

I agree with the ban, but now it makes it really difficult for me to get hold of them if I need too as they don't have their phones on them.

Out of curiosity, why would you need to get hold of them during the school day?

Usually when I've not been able to collect my daughter. I've text my eldest son asking for him to wait for her and for her to come home with him and his mates as I don't want her alone walking back in the dark through what is effectively still a building site round where i live.

Paranoid mum completely I know but i want her safe.

Also the school reception is so crap they have a habit of not passing on messages to your kids before school finishes. "

It's a place of education and not a call centre. Sort out plans before school.

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By *ermbiMan
over a year ago

Ballyshannon


"Maybe ban school.

The teachers don't want them cos Google gives the kids far more than they will ever learn. I take my phone to work... so does everyone I know. We use them all the time... far more useful using a phone then sitting their like victorian England... reciting useless facts. "

Clearly not a clue about education or teaching. Very flippant comment

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By *hagTonight OP   Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.


"In schools yes. But I want mine to have theirs for the journey. They have to hand them in at my daughter’s school and get them back at the end of the day. "
Yes, that would also be a good solution for it, have it for the journey and to get it back when they finish the school at the end of the day

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford


"Our Son got suspended three times for looking at Adult sites in class when lessons were on. He was on a big boobs website. Now he's been expelled. He'll never get a teaching job again!

Merry Christmas all "

x

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By *TG3Man
over a year ago

Dorchester

Yes..... Happy christmas

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Maybe ban school.

The teachers don't want them cos Google gives the kids far more than they will ever learn. I take my phone to work... so does everyone I know. We use them all the time... far more useful using a phone then sitting their like victorian England... reciting useless facts. "
There a Village near here that has lost its idiot I will ring them and say we have found him ..

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford


"Maybe ban school.

The teachers don't want them cos Google gives the kids far more than they will ever learn. I take my phone to work... so does everyone I know. We use them all the time... far more useful using a phone then sitting their like victorian England... reciting useless facts. There a Village near here that has lost its idiot I will ring them and say we have found him .."

Rude!

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Liverpool


"Maybe ban school.

The teachers don't want them cos Google gives the kids far more than they will ever learn. I take my phone to work... so does everyone I know. We use them all the time... far more useful using a phone then sitting their like victorian England... reciting useless facts. There a Village near here that has lost its idiot I will ring them and say we have found him .."

Lost? I expect they exiled.

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By *amierebelMan
over a year ago

My own little world

During school hours yeah however not a complete ban and gearing the confiscation till a Friday on here or a week is ridiculous phones are for a emergency, confiscating them leaving a child without the phone out school hours is putting a child at risk

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By *glyBettyTV/TS
over a year ago

About 3 feet away from the fence


"Maybe ban school.

The teachers don't want them cos Google gives the kids far more than they will ever learn. I take my phone to work... so does everyone I know. We use them all the time... far more useful using a phone then sitting their like victorian England... reciting useless facts. There a Village near here that has lost its idiot I will ring them and say we have found him ..

Rude! "

Not only rude, but not really an argument against the point that's being made.

In the current day, literally every aspect of every subject that's being drip-fed to students over a period of several years, can be accessed on the internet within seconds.

Is it asking too much for education system to adapt to the omnipresence of smartphones & integrate them more into teaching methods?

Eventually it has to happen, just like when schools had to accept calculators existed & stop forcing kids to use an abacus for trigonometry.

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By *ockboy77Man
over a year ago

Angus, Glasgow

Oh my favorite angry topic!

3 teenage daughters all obsessed with their phones. It’s a status symbol, a way to get stupid so called “lifestyle” info that’s screwed up 2 of them (before you blame parents, they dont live with me and their mum does a great job as she can)

Shouldn’t be in schools at all…

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By *TG3Man
over a year ago

Dorchester

Yes phones are a distraction and can be used to cheat i mean my exs daughter chatted to her friends on her phone when they were in same room how boring....... I'm sorry get rid of phones in school

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"Maybe ban school.

The teachers don't want them cos Google gives the kids far more than they will ever learn. I take my phone to work... so does everyone I know. We use them all the time... far more useful using a phone then sitting their like victorian England... reciting useless facts. There a Village near here that has lost its idiot I will ring them and say we have found him ..

Rude!

Not only rude, but not really an argument against the point that's being made.

In the current day, literally every aspect of every subject that's being drip-fed to students over a period of several years, can be accessed on the internet within seconds.

Is it asking too much for education system to adapt to the omnipresence of smartphones & integrate them more into teaching methods?

Eventually it has to happen, just like when schools had to accept calculators existed & stop forcing kids to use an abacus for trigonometry."

To be fair... the point that was being made was slightly undermined by the poster's inability to differentiate between the required variations of the word "there"

There isn't an issue with education adapting to the "omnipresence" of the smart phone. The problem is: learning isn't about being able to repeat a fact, it is about UNDERSTANDING the reasons for that fact. We have tried using phones as part of the teaching method, but it just doesn't work. The students are too distracted by the other things that their phone can do (text/social media/porn/etc...) and are unable to restrict their use to only what's required. In reality, the only thing that a smartphone brings to the classroom is a permanent connection to "the answer" (on the internet) but as we all know, you earn many more points for the working out than the answer.

The comparison between calculators and phones is also nonsensical. Calculators obviously have a prime function that integrates directly with education. They never replaced Abacus' at all, they replaced Log Tables and Slide Rules. Prior to calculators there was no easy way of calculating sin, cos, or tan of an angle, so they needed to be looked up on a table.

Cal

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By *stwo2023Couple
over a year ago

Worcester


"Maybe ban school.

The teachers don't want them cos Google gives the kids far more than they will ever learn. I take my phone to work... so does everyone I know. We use them all the time... far more useful using a phone then sitting their like victorian England... reciting useless facts. There a Village near here that has lost its idiot I will ring them and say we have found him ..

Rude!

Not only rude, but not really an argument against the point that's being made.

In the current day, literally every aspect of every subject that's being drip-fed to students over a period of several years, can be accessed on the internet within seconds.

Is it asking too much for education system to adapt to the omnipresence of smartphones & integrate them more into teaching methods?

Eventually it has to happen, just like when schools had to accept calculators existed & stop forcing kids to use an abacus for trigonometry."

Do you believe everything you can access on a phone to be true and factual? Does accessing things in phones develop critical thinking skills?

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By *glyBettyTV/TS
over a year ago

About 3 feet away from the fence


"Maybe ban school.

The teachers don't want them cos Google gives the kids far more than they will ever learn. I take my phone to work... so does everyone I know. We use them all the time... far more useful using a phone then sitting their like victorian England... reciting useless facts. There a Village near here that has lost its idiot I will ring them and say we have found him ..

Rude!

Not only rude, but not really an argument against the point that's being made.

In the current day, literally every aspect of every subject that's being drip-fed to students over a period of several years, can be accessed on the internet within seconds.

Is it asking too much for education system to adapt to the omnipresence of smartphones & integrate them more into teaching methods?

Eventually it has to happen, just like when schools had to accept calculators existed & stop forcing kids to use an abacus for trigonometry.

Do you believe everything you can access on a phone to be true and factual? Does accessing things in phones develop critical thinking skills? "

Of course it isn't... but guess what not everything you read in the newspaper or see on television is true or factual. The point is if you are already integrating phone use into the curriculum, the factual stuff should have been already filtered through by the teacher.

An example would be a teacher, instead of wasting a whole load of time to explain what today's lesson is about & losing the attention of half the class, just tells everyone to get their phones out & go onto YouTube to watch a video of what todays lesson is about. The video they would be watching would already be something curated as part of the lesson plan.

In any case, critical thinking skills begin at home - that's really more the parents job.

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By *stwo2023Couple
over a year ago

Worcester


"Maybe ban school.

The teachers don't want them cos Google gives the kids far more than they will ever learn. I take my phone to work... so does everyone I know. We use them all the time... far more useful using a phone then sitting their like victorian England... reciting useless facts. There a Village near here that has lost its idiot I will ring them and say we have found him ..

Rude!

Not only rude, but not really an argument against the point that's being made.

In the current day, literally every aspect of every subject that's being drip-fed to students over a period of several years, can be accessed on the internet within seconds.

Is it asking too much for education system to adapt to the omnipresence of smartphones & integrate them more into teaching methods?

Eventually it has to happen, just like when schools had to accept calculators existed & stop forcing kids to use an abacus for trigonometry.

Do you believe everything you can access on a phone to be true and factual? Does accessing things in phones develop critical thinking skills?

Of course it isn't... but guess what not everything you read in the newspaper or see on television is true or factual. The point is if you are already integrating phone use into the curriculum, the factual stuff should have been already filtered through by the teacher.

An example would be a teacher, instead of wasting a whole load of time to explain what today's lesson is about & losing the attention of half the class, just tells everyone to get their phones out & go onto YouTube to watch a video of what todays lesson is about. The video they would be watching would already be something curated as part of the lesson plan.

In any case, critical thinking skills begin at home - that's really more the parents job."

How does watching a YouTube video engage the class more than watching the teacher? That makes no sense.

I agree there is a place for access to multi media but it doesn't have to be on phones that can get nicked, you can be bullied over, you might not have because your parents don't agree with it or can't afford it.

We also need to reach kids and young adults that you don't have to be surgically attached to your phone. I work in an environment where you are legally not allowed your phone on you and it's actually quite a good feeling leaving it behind. Surprisingly when there was a family emergency I was contacted just as quickly by land line as I was by phone.

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By *glyBettyTV/TS
over a year ago

About 3 feet away from the fence


"How does watching a YouTube video engage the class more than watching the teacher? That makes no sense.

I agree there is a place for access to multi media but it doesn't have to be on phones that can get nicked, you can be bullied over, you might not have because your parents don't agree with it or can't afford it.

We also need to reach kids and young adults that you don't have to be surgically attached to your phone. I work in an environment where you are legally not allowed your phone on you and it's actually quite a good feeling leaving it behind. Surprisingly when there was a family emergency I was contacted just as quickly by land line as I was by phone. "

Do I really need to persuade you of the idea that younger people might be more engaged by a video on social media than someone monotonously talking at them in a classroom about a topic they don't really care about? Part of the argument against them is that they're a distraction. We see people of all ages walking around distracted by their phones every single day & I'm one of them. They are generally more interesting than people are

Where I see a need for phones, is mostly around the teaching of IT based subjects, which are woefully undervalued as it is, despite the fact that in this day in age you quite literally will struggle to do anything productive at all without knowing how to use a computer. The earlier this is introduced into the school curriculum the better, and frankly should be right up there with reading and mathematics in terms of importance.

The level of general IT skills people have in this country, especially among older adults, is atrocious. There's at least 2 generations of people who are largely completely IT illiterate outside of being able to surf the net or send an email, and even then not all of them can do that without supervison. You ask them to write a line of code in any programming language & see the blank expression on their face.

Any of the other aspects of phone ownership, robbery & bullying etc, are things that happen just as frequently outside of school as inside it.

If your child needs to walk around with a phone then you probably shouldn't be buying them a £500+ top of the range device, but again critical thinking begins at home.

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley


"During school hours yeah however not a complete ban and gearing the confiscation till a Friday on here or a week is ridiculous phones are for a emergency, confiscating them leaving a child without the phone out school hours is putting a child at risk "

I'm just trying to remember how people dealt with keeping in touch with children in the 1950s, 60s, 70s, 80s and even the 90s!

..and the children mostly found their own way home on foot, by bus or bicycle.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"

Of course it isn't... but guess what not everything you read in the newspaper or see on television is true or factual. The point is if you are already integrating phone use into the curriculum, the factual stuff should have been already filtered through by the teacher.

An example would be a teacher, instead of wasting a whole load of time to explain what today's lesson is about & losing the attention of half the class, just tells everyone to get their phones out & go onto YouTube to watch a video of what todays lesson is about. The video they would be watching would already be something curated as part of the lesson plan.

In any case, critical thinking skills begin at home - that's really more the parents job."

Actually the way that many classes work is much better than this. Rather than telling the kids to look at a Youtube video on their phones, with 33 students all watching & listening out of sync & interrupted by adverts, we have the facility to show a video, Powerpoint, interactive demonstration, etc directly to the whole class simultaneously without distraction or interruption & without tree kids being unable to find the video or watching kittens playing piano instead... this actually sounds like it's wasting much LESS time than using phones. It has been several decades since teaching was "Talk And Chalk" at the front of the classroom.

It's worth keeping in mind that unlike a Youtube Video, a Teacher is actually an INTERACTIVE resource, capable of responding to the students (even 30+ at once) and tailoring the content to these interactions.

There is actually NOTHING at all useful that education could use the kids' phones for that couldn't be done BETTER with laptops/PCs and a big screen in the classroom...

As for critical thinking being "the parents' job", surely that depends on the parents' own abilities. In a school you've got hundreds different opportunities to build a student's abilities to think, both through interactions with staff and with other students. Education is an ongoing "dialogue" between EVERYONE in the school, and the kids learn huge amounts from their (directed) interactions with each other.

Cal

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"Where I see a need for phones, is mostly around the teaching of IT based subjects, which are woefully undervalued as it is, despite the fact that in this day in age you quite literally will struggle to do anything productive at all without knowing how to use a computer. The earlier this is introduced into the school curriculum the better, and frankly should be right up there with reading and mathematics in terms of importance.

The level of general IT skills people have in this country, especially among older adults, is atrocious. There's at least 2 generations of people who are largely completely IT illiterate outside of being able to surf the net or send an email, and even then not all of them can do that without supervison. You ask them to write a line of code in any programming language & see the blank expression on their face.

"

As someone in their 50's who is and an IT Professional within Education. I find your view slightly confusing.

Firstly, I'm not sure what the obsession with coding (programming for the oldies) is all about. Over the years, I needed to learn to program in a large number of languages (from DBase and Fortran in the 1980's to Python and C# more currently), but in truth I've needed to actually "code" something a very small number of times in my 30 year IT career. Programming/Coding is just not a skill required by the masses, it's something specific to a very small number of jobs.

Secondly, phones are not the ideal platform for IT Skills based learning, we find that a larger screen and full sized keyboard paired with the ability to access files, peripherals, and corporate quality software are some of the benefits of using PCs and Laptops instead.

Finally, the idea that older people don't have IT skills is also very outdated. Most people who were at school in the 1980's have actually grown up using technology. A huge proportion of those who currently work will use IT & Technology every day in their jobs, and generally have skills far beyond the average student. My "real world" experience of students is that their skillset (en masse) is limited to accessing and configuring social media platforms & similar things not required by grown-ups. They ARE NOT inherently good with technology.

Cal

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By *glyBettyTV/TS
over a year ago

About 3 feet away from the fence


"Actually the way that many classes work is much better than this. Rather than telling the kids to look at a Youtube video on their phones, with 33 students all watching & listening out of sync & interrupted by adverts, we have the facility to show a video, Powerpoint, interactive demonstration, etc directly to the whole class simultaneously without distraction or interruption & without tree kids being unable to find the video or watching kittens playing piano instead... this actually sounds like it's wasting much LESS time than using phones. It has been several decades since teaching was "Talk And Chalk" at the front of the classroom.

It's worth keeping in mind that unlike a Youtube Video, a Teacher is actually an INTERACTIVE resource, capable of responding to the students (even 30+ at once) and tailoring the content to these interactions.

There is actually NOTHING at all useful that education could use the kids' phones for that couldn't be done BETTER with laptops/PCs and a big screen in the classroom...

As for critical thinking being "the parents' job", surely that depends on the parents' own abilities. In a school you've got hundreds different opportunities to build a student's abilities to think, both through interactions with staff and with other students. Education is an ongoing "dialogue" between EVERYONE in the school, and the kids learn huge amounts from "

Needless to say I disagree.

Firstly, of course you can just project a video on a big screen at 30 pupils & hope they all paid attention, even when I was at school they were doing that, but it doesn't teach them anything about learning HOW to learn. They already have a world of information they can access at their fingertips, why can't they just use that & actually develop a good habit that's of far more value than a dry PowerPoint presentation made by people who haven't spoken to any children besides their own since 1978?

Secondly, other video hosting sites exist that don't run ads & other methods for sharing videos without ads interrupting are available. YouTube/video was just an example of what you could do to integrate the miniature computers everyone is carrying around with them into the way subjects are presented, instead of bore everyone to tears droning on about something nobody cares about for ages. It doesn't have to be a video, it could be an e-book, it could be an app. In fact more lessons could really just be apps instead.

How 'interactive' or not a teacher is currently, is wholly dependent upon the communication skills of the teacher. If they're now fighting for the students attention with mobile phones as well, them maybe it's time some of this burden is taken out of their hands & you present the lesson to them in a way that's more likely to engage them.

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By *amierebelMan
over a year ago

My own little world


"During school hours yeah however not a complete ban and gearing the confiscation till a Friday on here or a week is ridiculous phones are for a emergency, confiscating them leaving a child without the phone out school hours is putting a child at risk

I'm just trying to remember how people dealt with keeping in touch with children in the 1950s, 60s, 70s, 80s and even the 90s!

..and the children mostly found their own way home on foot, by bus or bicycle."

Ahhh right no point in progressing or your child having a phone in case they're in danger because they wasn't there when we all grew up shit maybe we should just ban them world wide get rid of regular available WiFi and stuff aswell as I mean most households managed in them centuries without that always being available

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By *glyBettyTV/TS
over a year ago

About 3 feet away from the fence

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By *glyBettyTV/TS
over a year ago

About 3 feet away from the fence


" As someone in their 50's who is and an IT Professional within Education. I find your view slightly confusing.

Firstly, I'm not sure what the obsession with coding (programming for the oldies) is all about. Over the years, I needed to learn to program in a large number of languages (from DBase and Fortran in the 1980's to Python and C# more currently), but in truth I've needed to actually "code" something a very small number of times in my 30 year IT career. Programming/Coding is just not a skill required by the masses, it's something specific to a very small number of jobs.

Secondly, phones are not the ideal platform for IT Skills based learning, we find that a larger screen and full sized keyboard paired with the ability to access files, peripherals, and corporate quality software are some of the benefits of using PCs and Laptops instead.

Finally, the idea that older people don't have IT skills is also very outdated. Most people who were at school in the 1980's have actually grown up using technology. A huge proportion of those who currently work will use IT & Technology every day in their jobs, and generally have skills far beyond the average student. My "real world" experience of students is that their skillset (en masse) is limited to accessing and configuring social media platforms & similar things not required by grown-ups. They ARE NOT inherently good with technology."

If you're working in IT education, then obviously you wouldn't be expected to be writing software very often, and depending on what you're teaching or what education sector you're working in, maybe you don't see the value in it being taught either. For a basic data entry job, then no you don't need to learn how to code. You don't need to know Pythagoras Theorem either in 99.9% of your daily life, but this is still taught as part of main school curriculum, and I would argue an ability to, at the very least understand programming languages, is going to be a lot more useful to you in the modern world, than being able to calculate the angle of a triangle.

No obviously phones are not an ideal platform for literally learning how to use a computer, but I'm talking about using phones to aid the presentation of theory topics, not practical usage. Like some kind of interactive app/game or something. You don't need to be sat in front of a desktop PC to understand what a do/while loop does.

With knowing your students, I would bet they they would at the very least they know how to send an email & use the internet. I'm not quite sure what that says about the standard of IT education if what you say is true and they're far below the average adult in your "real world" experience. I would say this sounds like hyperbole.

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

I think that we should make mobile phones mandatory in school, but ban them everywhere else...

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"Actually the way that many classes work is much better than this. Rather than telling the kids to look at a Youtube video on their phones, with 33 students all watching & listening out of sync & interrupted by adverts, we have the facility to show a video, Powerpoint, interactive demonstration, etc directly to the whole class simultaneously without distraction or interruption & without tree kids being unable to find the video or watching kittens playing piano instead... this actually sounds like it's wasting much LESS time than using phones. It has been several decades since teaching was "Talk And Chalk" at the front of the classroom.

It's worth keeping in mind that unlike a Youtube Video, a Teacher is actually an INTERACTIVE resource, capable of responding to the students (even 30+ at once) and tailoring the content to these interactions.

There is actually NOTHING at all useful that education could use the kids' phones for that couldn't be done BETTER with laptops/PCs and a big screen in the classroom...

As for critical thinking being "the parents' job", surely that depends on the parents' own abilities. In a school you've got hundreds different opportunities to build a student's abilities to think, both through interactions with staff and with other students. Education is an ongoing "dialogue" between EVERYONE in the school, and the kids learn huge amounts from

Needless to say I disagree.

Firstly, of course you can just project a video on a big screen at 30 pupils & hope they all paid attention, even when I was at school they were doing that, but it doesn't teach them anything about learning HOW to learn. They already have a world of information they can access at their fingertips, why can't they just use that & actually develop a good habit that's of far more value than a dry PowerPoint presentation made by people who haven't spoken to any children besides their own since 1978?

Secondly, other video hosting sites exist that don't run ads & other methods for sharing videos without ads interrupting are available. YouTube/video was just an example of what you could do to integrate the miniature computers everyone is carrying around with them into the way subjects are presented, instead of bore everyone to tears droning on about something nobody cares about for ages. It doesn't have to be a video, it could be an e-book, it could be an app. In fact more lessons could really just be apps instead.

How 'interactive' or not a teacher is currently, is wholly dependent upon the communication skills of the teacher. If they're now fighting for the students attention with mobile phones as well, them maybe it's time some of this burden is taken out of their hands & you present the lesson to them in a way that's more likely to engage them. "

Schools just don't work like that any more. We don't project a video and hope they pay attention, we deliver a lesson. The video is PART of the process, but is also coupled with teacher interactions. Stopping the video and discussing certain aspects, questioning the reasoning & understanding.

The "bring your own device" thing has been tried in schools, but it didn't work. There are too many issues, and because the devices belong to the end user, the school has no control over them. There is also the problem that not everyone has a phone, and the ones they have vary in quality, age, and condition.

Also why would you believe that the students are more likely to engage with a video on their phones and not with the same video on a much bigger screen?

All of my comments cone from actually working with these things in the classroom. Your comments seem to be based on an outdated view of schools.

The average age of our teaching staff is 36, there are only a couple who were even alive in the 70's

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"

As someone in their 50's who is and an IT Professional within Education. I find your view slightly confusing.

Firstly, I'm not sure what the obsession with coding (programming for the oldies) is all about. Over the years, I needed to learn to program in a large number of languages (from DBase and Fortran in the 1980's to Python and C# more currently), but in truth I've needed to actually "code" something a very small number of times in my 30 year IT career. Programming/Coding is just not a skill required by the masses, it's something specific to a very small number of jobs.

Secondly, phones are not the ideal platform for IT Skills based learning, we find that a larger screen and full sized keyboard paired with the ability to access files, peripherals, and corporate quality software are some of the benefits of using PCs and Laptops instead.

Finally, the idea that older people don't have IT skills is also very outdated. Most people who were at school in the 1980's have actually grown up using technology. A huge proportion of those who currently work will use IT & Technology every day in their jobs, and generally have skills far beyond the average student. My "real world" experience of students is that their skillset (en masse) is limited to accessing and configuring social media platforms & similar things not required by grown-ups. They ARE NOT inherently good with technology.

If you're working in IT education, then obviously you wouldn't be expected to be writing software very often, and depending on what you're teaching or what education sector you're working in, maybe you don't see the value in it being taught either. For a basic data entry job, then no you don't need to learn how to code. You don't need to know Pythagoras Theorem either in 99.9% of your daily life, but this is still taught as part of main school curriculum, and I would argue an ability to, at the very least understand programming languages, is going to be a lot more useful to you in the modern world, than being able to calculate the angle of a triangle.

No obviously phones are not an ideal platform for literally learning how to use a computer, but I'm talking about using phones to aid the presentation of theory topics, not practical usage. Like some kind of interactive app/game or something. You don't need to be sat in front of a desktop PC to understand what a do/while loop does.

With knowing your students, I would bet they they would at the very least they know how to send an email & use the internet. I'm not quite sure what that says about the standard of IT education if what you say is true and they're far below the average adult in your "real world" experience. I would say this sounds like hyperbole."

I am tech support & management rather than a teacher, and have worked in various industries prior to moving into education. None of which have required ANY programming. Coding in general is job of its own rather than a skill used in other jobs.

There is a big difference between being "tech savvy" and being able to send an email, generally students do a small amount of coding at primary school but don't get taught to send emails... By the time they leave us, they can mostly use office programs (Word, Excel, PowerPoint), some Technical Drawing packages, manipulate photos, record music, send emails, etc... but they'll only do "Coding" if they opt for Computer Science.

But you are right, students are far below the average adult in their IT skills this is simply a fact.

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By *glyBettyTV/TS
over a year ago

About 3 feet away from the fence

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By *glyBettyTV/TS
over a year ago

About 3 feet away from the fence


" Schools just don't work like that any more. We don't project a video and hope they pay attention, we deliver a lesson. The video is PART of the process, but is also coupled with teacher interactions. Stopping the video and discussing certain aspects, questioning the reasoning & understanding"

Don't see anything there that was being done in the 1990s, except I don't think they were using words like "process" & "interactions", they would just say "pay attention because there's a pop quiz after this" and occasionally pausing the VCR to ask someone who clearly wasn't paying attention what just happened.

I don't see why the students couldn't, for example, just download an app that they use, in conjunction with watching the video (and ideally tied directly to the video), which does the job of testing what they have understood so far, like some sort of question and answer quiz app or something (rudimentary example). This would mean not having to pause the video as often to explain things to those who haven't understood something.

If the app/video were integrated, the video itself could contain automatic pauses to allow the students to then interact with the app. The teacher could then use the analytics derived from the app, for example, if the app was a quiz, who scored high or low, and then decide to dedicate more time to helping those who scored lower, and those students who are ahead are not being held back because the teacher has to spend too much lesson time explaining things to the slower learners before being able to move on.

Yes it would mean a drastic overhaul to school lessons as we know it, and there will be the usual suspects who will feel threatened by any kind of change especially a technological one. What will happen is something like will launch somewhere in the world, probably in Japan or Scandinavia or wherever, & Britain will catch on 20 years too late because some old guys wanted to keep things traditional even though it's no longer engaging enough for modern sensibilities.


" the "bring your own device" thing has been tried in schools, but it didn't work. There are too many isThesues, and because the devices belong to the end user, the school has no control over them. There is also the problem that not everyone has a phone, and the ones they have vary in quality, age, and condition.""

In which case the school should issue functional devices to students who cannot or do not want to bring their own devices. It kind of doesn't really matter whether the phones are owned by students or not, it's a change in the way school lessons are presented in general that I'm suggesting, which gives some acknowledgement to the fact that the internet exists & we can access it any time.


" Also why would you believe that the students are more likely to engage with a video on their phones and not with the same video on a much bigger screen?'"

Well, if students are more interested in what's going on with the small screen in their hand than the big screen on the wall, then maybe send the images from the big screen on the wall to the small screen in their hand?


" All of my comments cone from actually working with these things in the classroom. Your comments seem to be based on an outdated view of schools." "

I think schools in general are outdated. At some point it's inevitable that students won't even be required to attend school any more & will end up doing much of their education at home sat in front of a PC.

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley


"...

I think schools in general are outdated. At some point it's inevitable that students won't even be required to attend school any more & will end up doing much of their education at home sat in front of a PC. "

Or, even, sitting in front of a PC if they've been taught English 'proper'.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


" Schools just don't work like that any more. We don't project a video and hope they pay attention, we deliver a lesson. The video is PART of the process, but is also coupled with teacher interactions. Stopping the video and discussing certain aspects, questioning the reasoning & understanding

Don't see anything there that was being done in the 1990s, except I don't think they were using words like "process" & "interactions", they would just say "pay attention because there's a pop quiz after this" and occasionally pausing the VCR to ask someone who clearly wasn't paying attention what just happened.

I don't see why the students couldn't, for example, just download an app that they use, in conjunction with watching the video (and ideally tied directly to the video), which does the job of testing what they have understood so far, like some sort of question and answer quiz app or something (rudimentary example). This would mean not having to pause the video as often to explain things to those who haven't understood something.

If the app/video were integrated, the video itself could contain automatic pauses to allow the students to then interact with the app. The teacher could then use the analytics derived from the app, for example, if the app was a quiz, who scored high or low, and then decide to dedicate more time to helping those who scored lower, and those students who are ahead are not being held back because the teacher has to spend too much lesson time explaining things to the slower learners before being able to move on.

Yes it would mean a drastic overhaul to school lessons as we know it, and there will be the usual suspects who will feel threatened by any kind of change especially a technological one. What will happen is something like will launch somewhere in the world, probably in Japan or Scandinavia or wherever, & Britain will catch on 20 years too late because some old guys wanted to keep things traditional even though it's no longer engaging enough for modern sensibilities.

the "bring your own device" thing has been tried in schools, but it didn't work. There are too many isThesues, and because the devices belong to the end user, the school has no control over them. There is also the problem that not everyone has a phone, and the ones they have vary in quality, age, and condition."

In which case the school should issue functional devices to students who cannot or do not want to bring their own devices. It kind of doesn't really matter whether the phones are owned by students or not, it's a change in the way school lessons are presented in general that I'm suggesting, which gives some acknowledgement to the fact that the internet exists & we can access it any time.

Also why would you believe that the students are more likely to engage with a video on their phones and not with the same video on a much bigger screen?'

Well, if students are more interested in what's going on with the small screen in their hand than the big screen on the wall, then maybe send the images from the big screen on the wall to the small screen in their hand?

All of my comments cone from actually working with these things in the classroom. Your comments seem to be based on an outdated view of schools."

I think schools in general are outdated. At some point it's inevitable that students won't even be required to attend school any more & will end up doing much of their education at home sat in front of a PC. "

Your comments just go to show that you have absolutely no idea what happens in schools these days. A whole lot has changed since the 90's

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By *glyBettyTV/TS
over a year ago

About 3 feet away from the fence


" I am tech support & management rather than a teacher, and have worked in various industries prior to moving into education. None of which have required ANY programming. Coding in general is job of its own rather than a skill used in other jobs. "

Sometimes it's not just about learning something to get a skill you can put on a CV, sometimes it's about learning for the sake of understanding something better. I've never knowingly use my GSCE in English Literature or my algebra lessons to get a job, but perhaps by doing these lessons, you are subconsciously picking up some transferable skills that you may have to apply in other aspects of work or life in general.

Seeing as we now use computing devices every hour of every day, and coding is what is required to write software, and a computing device without software is essentially useless, more emphasis should be put on it in the school curriculum at an earlier age. Then maybe we would have more programmers, better software, & less of a need to have to keep ringing tech support


"There is a big difference between being "tech savvy" and being able to send an email, generally students do a small amount of coding at primary school but don't get taught to send emails... By the time they leave us, they can mostly use office programs (Word, Excel, PowerPoint), some Technical Drawing packages, manipulate photos, record music, send emails, etc... but they'll only do "Coding" if they opt for Computer Science. But you are right, students are far below the average adult in their IT skills this is simply a fact"

If that is true (which I'm still not quite convinced by tbh), then they're far below the average 14 year old in the mid 1990s. How have IT standards been allowed to drop so far in less than 30 years despite a proliferation of computer devices in our everyday lives? Why are parents not able to teach their children how to use Excel which comes pre-installed on every windows machine? This is a historic failure to teach adequate IT skills to people going back years.

I was never taught how to code in school either (unless you count "Logo" on the BBC Micro, which I personally wouldn't), I taught myself. I could write a program in Quick BASIC that could take user input & display different outputs, with graphics, based on that users input by the time I was 11. As an adult I've written programs in C, 6502 asm, Z80 asm, written my own language/ compiler that runs on a virtual machine that I also wrote. I've never sat down in a computer science class a single day of my life. I just used Google.


"Your comments just go to show that you have absolutely no idea what happens in schools these days. A whole lot has changed since the 90's"

You say this like I can't just go onto YouTube & see a modern classroom in action.

Not much has changed at all, except the video projection equipment is much better, every other lesson is PSE, & the hairstyles that would have gotten pupils sent home in 1995, are now being worn to work by the teachers

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


" I am tech support & management rather than a teacher, and have worked in various industries prior to moving into education. None of which have required ANY programming. Coding in general is job of its own rather than a skill used in other jobs.

Sometimes it's not just about learning something to get a skill you can put on a CV, sometimes it's about learning for the sake of understanding something better. I've never knowingly use my GSCE in English Literature or my algebra lessons to get a job, but perhaps by doing these lessons, you are subconsciously picking up some transferable skills that you may have to apply in other aspects of work or life in general.

Seeing as we now use computing devices every hour of every day, and coding is what is required to write software, and a computing device without software is essentially useless, more emphasis should be put on it in the school curriculum at an earlier age. Then maybe we would have more programmers, better software, & less of a need to have to keep ringing tech support

There is a big difference between being "tech savvy" and being able to send an email, generally students do a small amount of coding at primary school but don't get taught to send emails... By the time they leave us, they can mostly use office programs (Word, Excel, PowerPoint), some Technical Drawing packages, manipulate photos, record music, send emails, etc... but they'll only do "Coding" if they opt for Computer Science. But you are right, students are far below the average adult in their IT skills this is simply a fact

If that is true (which I'm still not quite convinced by tbh), then they're far below the average 14 year old in the mid 1990s. How have IT standards been allowed to drop so far in less than 30 years despite a proliferation of computer devices in our everyday lives? Why are parents not able to teach their children how to use Excel which comes pre-installed on every windows machine? This is a historic failure to teach adequate IT skills to people going back years.

I was never taught how to code in school either (unless you count "Logo" on the BBC Micro, which I personally wouldn't), I taught myself. I could write a program in Quick BASIC that could take user input & display different outputs, with graphics, based on that users input by the time I was 11. As an adult I've written programs in C, 6502 asm, Z80 asm, written my own language/ compiler that runs on a virtual machine that I also wrote. I've never sat down in a computer science class a single day of my life. I just used Google.

Your comments just go to show that you have absolutely no idea what happens in schools these days. A whole lot has changed since the 90's

You say this like I can't just go onto YouTube & see a modern classroom in action.

Not much has changed at all, except the video projection equipment is much better, every other lesson is PSE, & the hairstyles that would have gotten pupils sent home in 1995, are now being worn to work by the teachers "

Your comments just reinforced the fact that you have absolutely zero idea of what happens in a modern classroom.

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By *ab FunstersCouple
over a year ago

Midlands


"The secondary school two of my children go too have already banned phones completely. Not even allowed on school grounds even whilst turnt off and in their school bags.

All because small groups were filming other kids during breaktimes or lunch times and loading the videos onto social media without them knowing.

I agree with the ban, but now it makes it really difficult for me to get hold of them if I need too as they don't have their phones on them.

"

Phone school reception and they can get a message to them..

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By *hagTonight OP   Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.


"Yes phones are a distraction and can be used to cheat i mean my exs daughter chatted to her friends on her phone when they were in same room how boring....... I'm sorry get rid of phones in school "
Yes, you are right there, it is a distraction for them too

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

Break times kids should be allowed phones, in lessons definatrly not.

As for the need to contact the kids, I seemed to get a few messages when I was in school from the receptionist.

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By *TG3Man
over a year ago

Dorchester

Definitely not

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By *uri00620Woman
over a year ago

Croydon


"Break times kids should be allowed phones, in lessons definatrly not.

As for the need to contact the kids, I seemed to get a few messages when I was in school from the receptionist."

Out of interest why would they need them at break?

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By *TG3Man
over a year ago

Dorchester


"Break times kids should be allowed phones, in lessons definatrly not.

As for the need to contact the kids, I seemed to get a few messages when I was in school from the receptionist.

Out of interest why would they need them at break? "
to message each other in the playground

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By *uri00620Woman
over a year ago

Croydon


"Break times kids should be allowed phones, in lessons definatrly not.

As for the need to contact the kids, I seemed to get a few messages when I was in school from the receptionist.

Out of interest why would they need them at break? to message each other in the playground "

True. Also, in my school it was too take photos/videos of each other in the toilets.

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