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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Armed forces is it murder in war or justifyed , those with experience please Explain

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By *aissez-faireMan
over a year ago

Right behind you…. Boo

Define murder OP.

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By *obilebottomMan
over a year ago

All over

Out

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Define murder OP. "
- killing someone that didn’t want to be killed ?!

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By *aissez-faireMan
over a year ago

Right behind you…. Boo


"Define murder OP. - killing someone that didn’t want to be killed ?!"

So a surgeon who looses someone on the table then?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Define murder OP. - killing someone that didn’t want to be killed ?!

So a surgeon who looses someone on the table then? "
no.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Define murder OP. - killing someone that didn’t want to be killed ?!

So a surgeon who looses someone on the table then? no."
obviously it’s about intent. The surgeon hasn’t set out to kill his patient….

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Those with experience of murder?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Define murder OP. - killing someone that didn’t want to be killed ?!

So a surgeon who looses someone on the table then? no. obviously it’s about intent. The surgeon hasn’t set out to kill his patient…."
…not the sane ones anyway

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By *rMonkeyMan
over a year ago

Somewhere

So I'm a murderer now

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Define murder OP. "
explain why

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Define murder OP. - killing someone that didn’t want to be killed ?!"
explain why

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Define murder OP. - killing someone that didn’t want to be killed ?!

So a surgeon who looses someone on the table then? "
i dno if i see one ill ask him

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Those with experience of murder? "
exprencies in armed conflicts and battleground operations

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Define murder OP. - killing someone that didn’t want to be killed ?!

So a surgeon who looses someone on the table then? no. obviously it’s about intent. The surgeon hasn’t set out to kill his patient….…not the sane ones anyway"
defo not harold shipman

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"So I'm a murderer now "
didnt say this i asked about experiences and if its murder or not and if so explain situations

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Define murder OP. - killing someone that didn’t want to be killed ?! explain why"
Murder = the act of purposefully ending another person’s life without their permission

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By *sername already in useMan
over a year ago

manchester

Threads like this are a prime example of why some people shouldn’t be allowed access to the internet.

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Threads like this are a prime example of why some people shouldn’t be allowed access to the internet. "
how come im just asking those with life experiences what thats was like why are you being negative or saying something like people should have restrictions like why is thats your view point ie censorship

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By *layfullsamMan
over a year ago

Solihull

Not a straightforward one size fits all answer, could easily be murder if you’re killing unarmed prisoners of war but kill the same people in combat defending your country then it’s fully justified.

Not sure what is behind the question op

I’m going back to admiring boobies it’s to heavy a question for a chilled sunday

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By *rimson_RoseWoman
over a year ago

Tamworth

If all rules of engagement are adhered to, no.

If you want examples of murder - look to the likes of Mengele, Grese or Kajuga.

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By *aissez-faireMan
over a year ago

Right behind you…. Boo


" Armed forces is it murder in war or justifyed , those with experience please Explain "

If the international rules of engagement are followed then no.

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Not a straightforward one size fits all answer, could easily be murder if you’re killing unarmed prisoners of war but kill the same people in combat defending your country then it’s fully justified.

Not sure what is behind the question op

I’m going back to admiring boobies it’s to heavy a question for a chilled sunday

So the justification is for the country to be honest that to seems a bit dumb to have a liences to end life when you seen fit but thanks for the sharing

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"If all rules of engagement are adhered to, no.

If you want examples of murder - look to the likes of Mengele, Grese or Kajuga. "
good one also uncle joe and other such as south american dictator who used millitary to kill its on population

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


" Armed forces is it murder in war or justifyed , those with experience please Explain

If the international rules of engagement are followed then no.

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ok thank you i will look these rules up and who decided them and whn or they set in stone or do these rule become fluid

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By *razytimesinloveCouple
over a year ago

SW Scotland


" Armed forces is it murder in war or justifyed , those with experience please Explain "

If you act within the Law of armed conflict etc then no it’s not murder

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By *ir SupremacyMan
over a year ago

Bolton

There are strict rules of engagement for armed forces lucky the unit I was in was super professional but I have no doubt there are rogue units in every army I expect.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" Armed forces is it murder in war or justifyed , those with experience please Explain "

War is what happens when people stand up to a strong force and say that their fight is more important than life. If the instigator isn’t forced into it then they are wrong. Fighting is common in nature and group dynamics are common in nature. It’s unfortunate that we’ve brought technology into our fights it should go back to the days of swords and shields on designated grounds. Destruction of civilisations is not justified.

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By *sername already in useMan
over a year ago

manchester

Should armed forces personnel and veterans be allowed to murder people that ask dumb questions?

Discuss.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As stated above, some people shouldn't be allowed on the internet

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


" Armed forces is it murder in war or justifyed , those with experience please Explain

If you act within the Law of armed conflict etc then no it’s not murder "
ok then what you call it causilties of war i think ats pr term like close contact and frienly fire collateral damages

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"As stated above, some people shouldn't be allowed on the internet "
in what way explain why you wish censorship on someone

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Should armed forces personnel and veterans be allowed to murder people that ask dumb questions?

Discuss."
should they no they should just like shouldnt be force to shoot at someone else eithr both side of what ever conflict

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By *ealMissShadyWoman
over a year ago

St Albans/ Welsh Borders

What's your view on it OP?

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By *CExeCouple
over a year ago

Lincoln/Exeter

You're asking those with what is a potentially deeply traumatic experience in taking life to explain why they think they're not a murderer. I understand civilian naivety around the subject, but I'd advise not asking any serving or former member of the armed forces that kind of question. Do some reading around rules of engagement and international law to satisfy your curiosity. I'd also suggest there are better forums to be asking this kind of question.

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Some sent me this this explaiin it perfectly

Murder

Occasionally

Manslaughter always

Justifiable maybe sometimes

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By *J5551959Man
over a year ago

Alford

Why don't you join up then you can answer your own question?

I think you'll find that most ex forces who have been in combat aren't going to talk about it or give opinions about it on here.

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"What's your view on it OP?

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most armed conflicts are dumb and silly thus lose of life on either side is never justifiable still grieving familes and mothers sons and daughters on either side what ever conflict thus there no reason to say it should have happend

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Why don't you join up then you can answer your own question?

I think you'll find that most ex forces who have been in combat aren't going to talk about it or give opinions about it on here. "
i know i wantted to maybe have one speak maybe you dno they already have or even mailed me or thier friends now to speak about it isnt that what threads are for to open discussion or yous just here to simp

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By *sername already in useMan
over a year ago

manchester

It’s the unarmed forces that you really need to watch out for.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Some sent me this this explaiin it perfectly

Murder

Occasionally

Manslaughter always

Justifiable maybe sometimes"

Well That's great then.. your sorted

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By *adystephanieTV/TS
over a year ago

glos

OP I think you are trying to simplify what can be an extremely complex and emotional experience, it just does not work like that.

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By *ose and her beastCouple
over a year ago

Watford

War what is it good for?

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By *CExeCouple
over a year ago

Lincoln/Exeter


"What's your view on it OP?

most armed conflicts are dumb and silly thus lose of life on either side is never justifiable still grieving familes and mothers sons and daughters on either side what ever conflict thus there no reason to say it should have happend"

So the Nazis in WW2 being killed in combat wasn't justifiable??

OP, I'd suggest walking away from this thread.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why don't you join up then you can answer your own question?

I think you'll find that most ex forces who have been in combat aren't going to talk about it or give opinions about it on here. i know i wantted to maybe have one speak maybe you dno they already have or even mailed me or thier friends now to speak about it isnt that what threads are for to open discussion or yous just here to simp"

If they mail you then keep it to yourself

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"You're asking those with what is a potentially deeply traumatic experience in taking life to explain why they think they're not a murderer. I understand civilian naivety around the subject, but I'd advise not asking any serving or former member of the armed forces that kind of question. Do some reading around rules of engagement and international law to satisfy your curiosity. I'd also suggest there are better forums to be asking this kind of question. "
why not see i belive in there are no dumb questions only dumb answers and ask a dumb question you be a fool for a mintue never ask it and you be a fool for life my techy teacher told me that to never be scared and just ask

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"OP I think you are trying to simplify what can be an extremely complex and emotional experience, it just does not work like that. "

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By *rimson_RoseWoman
over a year ago

Tamworth


"What's your view on it OP?

most armed conflicts are dumb and silly thus lose of life on either side is never justifiable still grieving familes and mothers sons and daughters on either side what ever conflict thus there no reason to say it should have happend"

Dumb or silly. So you’d rather be subject to the authority of an organisation such as the Gestapo and taking your chances with surviving torture. Happy days.

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By *sername already in useMan
over a year ago

manchester


"You're asking those with what is a potentially deeply traumatic experience in taking life to explain why they think they're not a murderer. I understand civilian naivety around the subject, but I'd advise not asking any serving or former member of the armed forces that kind of question. Do some reading around rules of engagement and international law to satisfy your curiosity. I'd also suggest there are better forums to be asking this kind of question. why not see i belive in there are no dumb questions only dumb answers and ask a dumb question you be a fool for a mintue never ask it and you be a fool for life my techy teacher told me that to never be scared and just ask"

Your teacher taught you wrong.

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By *J5551959Man
over a year ago

Alford

Can i have that in English please?

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By *ealMissShadyWoman
over a year ago

St Albans/ Welsh Borders


"What's your view on it OP?

most armed conflicts are dumb and silly thus lose of life on either side is never justifiable still grieving familes and mothers sons and daughters on either side what ever conflict thus there no reason to say it should have happend"

What do you base your opinions on? Do you have personal experience of military matters?

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Why don't you join up then you can answer your own question?

I think you'll find that most ex forces who have been in combat aren't going to talk about it or give opinions about it on here. i know i wantted to maybe have one speak maybe you dno they already have or even mailed me or thier friends now to speak about it isnt that what threads are for to open discussion or yous just here to simp

If they mail you then keep it to yourself "
ok as i said i was oping the discussion up so one could give me insite as i watch alot of history but none explain why its ok thats my point no one actually explains it they avoid or give vague details

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"You're asking those with what is a potentially deeply traumatic experience in taking life to explain why they think they're not a murderer. I understand civilian naivety around the subject, but I'd advise not asking any serving or former member of the armed forces that kind of question. Do some reading around rules of engagement and international law to satisfy your curiosity. I'd also suggest there are better forums to be asking this kind of question. why not see i belive in there are no dumb questions only dumb answers and ask a dumb question you be a fool for a mintue never ask it and you be a fool for life my techy teacher told me that to never be scared and just ask

Your teacher taught you wrong. "
well thats sort education your taxes pay for

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Can i have that in English please?"
i speak scots

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You're asking those with what is a potentially deeply traumatic experience in taking life to explain why they think they're not a murderer. I understand civilian naivety around the subject, but I'd advise not asking any serving or former member of the armed forces that kind of question. Do some reading around rules of engagement and international law to satisfy your curiosity. I'd also suggest there are better forums to be asking this kind of question. why not see i belive in there are no dumb questions only dumb answers and ask a dumb question you be a fool for a mintue never ask it and you be a fool for life my techy teacher told me that to never be scared and just ask"

Ah right then.. I stand corrected.. I'll ask random women in the street how many men they've shagged

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"What's your view on it OP?

most armed conflicts are dumb and silly thus lose of life on either side is never justifiable still grieving familes and mothers sons and daughters on either side what ever conflict thus there no reason to say it should have happend

Dumb or silly. So you’d rather be subject to the authority of an organisation such as the Gestapo and taking your chances with surviving torture. Happy days. "
no right wing and ultra right wing is mad dumb stupid anyone who wants just seize and keep power are the worst

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All deaths are homicides. Justifiable deaths in combat are lawful homicide, not murder.

The common law definition of murder is the unlawful killing of another with malice aforethought.

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By *rMonkeyMan
over a year ago

Somewhere


" Armed forces is it murder in war or justifyed , those with experience please Explain

If the international rules of engagement are followed then no.

Thread closed ok thank you i will look these rules up and who decided them and whn or they set in stone or do these rule become fluid"

There is no fluidity, the rules are pretty clear, most people never forget them either.

Off the top of my head:-

Guidance does not affect your right to self defence, in all situations you are to use no more force than necessary.

You may only open fire against a person if they are about to commit or are committing an act likely to endanger life and there is no other way to prevent danger.

When guarding property lethal force can only be used for the protection of human life.

A challenge must be given before firing, unless:-

To do so.would increase the risk of death or injury to you or any other person, or, you or others in the immediate vacinity are under attack.

You should challenge by shouting Navy/Army/Air Force stop or I fire.

If you do open fire, use only aimed shots, fire no more rounds than are necessary and take all precautions not to injure anyone other than your target.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Can i have that in English please?i speak scots"

That's not all you speak .. trust me

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"OP I think you are trying to simplify what can be an extremely complex and emotional experience, it just does not work like that. "
thanks for your imput on thread and yeah id like the complex answer from a vet hense why i ask those with combat experience to dicuss this

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By *CExeCouple
over a year ago

Lincoln/Exeter


"What's your view on it OP?

most armed conflicts are dumb and silly thus lose of life on either side is never justifiable still grieving familes and mothers sons and daughters on either side what ever conflict thus there no reason to say it should have happend

Dumb or silly. So you’d rather be subject to the authority of an organisation such as the Gestapo and taking your chances with surviving torture. Happy days. no right wing and ultra right wing is mad dumb stupid anyone who wants just seize and keep power are the worst"

Right wing is mad dumb? So now no only is killing Nazis unjustifiable, but 50% of the population are mad dumb??

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By *CExeCouple
over a year ago

Lincoln/Exeter


"Can i have that in English please?i speak scots

That's not all you speak .. trust me "

Truth

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By *rimson_RoseWoman
over a year ago

Tamworth


"What's your view on it OP?

most armed conflicts are dumb and silly thus lose of life on either side is never justifiable still grieving familes and mothers sons and daughters on either side what ever conflict thus there no reason to say it should have happend

Dumb or silly. So you’d rather be subject to the authority of an organisation such as the Gestapo and taking your chances with surviving torture. Happy days. no right wing and ultra right wing is mad dumb stupid anyone who wants just seize and keep power are the worst"

So without armed conflict, how did you propose to prevent such ‘dumb stupid’ organisations? Mr Chamberlain taught us that appeasement doesn’t do the trick.

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"What's your view on it OP?

most armed conflicts are dumb and silly thus lose of life on either side is never justifiable still grieving familes and mothers sons and daughters on either side what ever conflict thus there no reason to say it should have happend

So the Nazis in WW2 being killed in combat wasn't justifiable??

OP, I'd suggest walking away from this thread."
i said both side not just one side and natioalis was far right and ye far right facist is thing that needs sqwashed but not with military might but with actuall benefitale change

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"You're asking those with what is a potentially deeply traumatic experience in taking life to explain why they think they're not a murderer. I understand civilian naivety around the subject, but I'd advise not asking any serving or former member of the armed forces that kind of question. Do some reading around rules of engagement and international law to satisfy your curiosity. I'd also suggest there are better forums to be asking this kind of question. why not see i belive in there are no dumb questions only dumb answers and ask a dumb question you be a fool for a mintue never ask it and you be a fool for life my techy teacher told me that to never be scared and just ask

Ah right then.. I stand corrected.. I'll ask random women in the street how many men they've shagged "
you can do as you please its your life no one else

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"All deaths are homicides. Justifiable deaths in combat are lawful homicide, not murder.

The common law definition of murder is the unlawful killing of another with malice aforethought."
thank you he just explain this

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By *adystephanieTV/TS
over a year ago

glos


"OP I think you are trying to simplify what can be an extremely complex and emotional experience, it just does not work like that. thanks for your imput on thread and yeah id like the complex answer from a vet hense why i ask those with combat experience to dicuss this"

Most vets wont see it that way unfortunately its a very private part of their lives that is not open for the kind of comments seen in this thread so far.

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"All deaths are homicides. Justifiable deaths in combat are lawful homicide, not murder.

The common law definition of murder is the unlawful killing of another with malice aforethought."
thank you vitor 1st one to actuall explain it

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"What's your view on it OP?

most armed conflicts are dumb and silly thus lose of life on either side is never justifiable still grieving familes and mothers sons and daughters on either side what ever conflict thus there no reason to say it should have happend

Dumb or silly. So you’d rather be subject to the authority of an organisation such as the Gestapo and taking your chances with surviving torture. Happy days. no right wing and ultra right wing is mad dumb stupid anyone who wants just seize and keep power are the worst

Right wing is mad dumb? So now no only is killing Nazis unjustifiable, but 50% of the population are mad dumb?? "
i dont mean normal right wing i mean ultra right wing as in facism

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Can i have that in English please?i speak scots

That's not all you speak .. trust me "
thank you

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Can i have that in English please?i speak scots

That's not all you speak .. trust me

Truth"
thank you

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By *abtastic Mr FoxMan
over a year ago

A den in the Glen

Get down to your local travel agent and look at Tel Aviv this time of year.

Perhaps take a leisurely drive to the med and stop for drinks in Gaza.

You may find the time to relax and ask the locals some questions about war and morality.

Please be patient as the answer will not be as straightforward as some of them on here!

Good luck and remember the travel insurance.

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"What's your view on it OP?

most armed conflicts are dumb and silly thus lose of life on either side is never justifiable still grieving familes and mothers sons and daughters on either side what ever conflict thus there no reason to say it should have happend

Dumb or silly. So you’d rather be subject to the authority of an organisation such as the Gestapo and taking your chances with surviving torture. Happy days. no right wing and ultra right wing is mad dumb stupid anyone who wants just seize and keep power are the worst

So without armed conflict, how did you propose to prevent such ‘dumb stupid’ organisations? Mr Chamberlain taught us that appeasement doesn’t do the trick. "
education and structures and independent organisations set out to safeguard for that very thing such as how watch dog and oxam do for tv vote to make sure they aint rigged or how amesty does for human rights violations fair independence and impartiality

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By *aissez-faireMan
over a year ago

Right behind you…. Boo

There is a little town in The Netherlands called Hague. It’s about an hours drive SW from Amsterdam. They have some really clever people there who are a lot more qualified to debate this with you than us.

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"What's your view on it OP?

most armed conflicts are dumb and silly thus lose of life on either side is never justifiable still grieving familes and mothers sons and daughters on either side what ever conflict thus there no reason to say it should have happend

Dumb or silly. So you’d rather be subject to the authority of an organisation such as the Gestapo and taking your chances with surviving torture. Happy days. no right wing and ultra right wing is mad dumb stupid anyone who wants just seize and keep power are the worst

So without armed conflict, how did you propose to prevent such ‘dumb stupid’ organisations? Mr Chamberlain taught us that appeasement doesn’t do the trick. "
wow thats 1st iv heard this one what about the good friday agreement isnt that an appeasement thats done well lease for now

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"OP I think you are trying to simplify what can be an extremely complex and emotional experience, it just does not work like that. thanks for your imput on thread and yeah id like the complex answer from a vet hense why i ask those with combat experience to dicuss this

Most vets wont see it that way unfortunately its a very private part of their lives that is not open for the kind of comments seen in this thread so far."
i know as its always decends intonnames and insults when i was genuinely curious

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By *urious is the VoyeurMan
over a year ago

Rickmansworth


"Should armed forces personnel and veterans be allowed to murder people that ask dumb questions?

Discuss."

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Get down to your local travel agent and look at Tel Aviv this time of year.

Perhaps take a leisurely drive to the med and stop for drinks in Gaza.

You may find the time to relax and ask the locals some questions about war and morality.

Please be patient as the answer will not be as straightforward as some of them on here!

Good luck and remember the travel insurance."
nice but are they in armed forces if not wouldnt i better speak to the idf as they are the armed forces

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"There is a little town in The Netherlands called Hague. It’s about an hours drive SW from Amsterdam. They have some really clever people there who are a lot more qualified to debate this with you than us. "
oooh funny enough im going ther in February

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By *rimson_RoseWoman
over a year ago

Tamworth


"What's your view on it OP?

most armed conflicts are dumb and silly thus lose of life on either side is never justifiable still grieving familes and mothers sons and daughters on either side what ever conflict thus there no reason to say it should have happend

Dumb or silly. So you’d rather be subject to the authority of an organisation such as the Gestapo and taking your chances with surviving torture. Happy days. no right wing and ultra right wing is mad dumb stupid anyone who wants just seize and keep power are the worst

So without armed conflict, how did you propose to prevent such ‘dumb stupid’ organisations? Mr Chamberlain taught us that appeasement doesn’t do the trick. education and structures and independent organisations set out to safeguard for that very thing such as how watch dog and oxam do for tv vote to make sure they aint rigged or how amesty does for human rights violations fair independence and impartiality"

Hitler was voted into power lawfully.

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By *aissez-faireMan
over a year ago

Right behind you…. Boo


"There is a little town in The Netherlands called Hague. It’s about an hours drive SW from Amsterdam. They have some really clever people there who are a lot more qualified to debate this with you than us. oooh funny enough im going ther in February "

Cool, if you get a chance, check out the court.

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By *abtastic Mr FoxMan
over a year ago

A den in the Glen


"Get down to your local travel agent and look at Tel Aviv this time of year.

Perhaps take a leisurely drive to the med and stop for drinks in Gaza.

You may find the time to relax and ask the locals some questions about war and morality.

Please be patient as the answer will not be as straightforward as some of them on here!

Good luck and remember the travel insurance. nice but are they in armed forces if not wouldnt i better speak to the idf as they are the armed forces"

Well Hamas are the non state actors of Palestine, as Hezbollah are for Lebanon. It just expands your question even more.

If you were to sit down and ask an Israeli or member of the IDF about murder after what has happened to their state (whether you agree/disagree recognise/resent) I think you would get a fairly straightforward and resounding answer. Question that answer and the travel insurance would come in handy for your repatriation.

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By *abtastic Mr FoxMan
over a year ago

A den in the Glen


"What's your view on it OP?

most armed conflicts are dumb and silly thus lose of life on either side is never justifiable still grieving familes and mothers sons and daughters on either side what ever conflict thus there no reason to say it should have happend

Dumb or silly. So you’d rather be subject to the authority of an organisation such as the Gestapo and taking your chances with surviving torture. Happy days. no right wing and ultra right wing is mad dumb stupid anyone who wants just seize and keep power are the worst

So without armed conflict, how did you propose to prevent such ‘dumb stupid’ organisations? Mr Chamberlain taught us that appeasement doesn’t do the trick. education and structures and independent organisations set out to safeguard for that very thing such as how watch dog and oxam do for tv vote to make sure they aint rigged or how amesty does for human rights violations fair independence and impartiality

Hitler was voted into power lawfully. "

Haha after surreptitiously expelling his opponents (communists) the crafty fucker!

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By *ischiefManaged69Couple
over a year ago

Preston


" Armed forces is it murder in war or justifyed , those with experience please Explain

If the international rules of engagement are followed then no.

Thread closed ok thank you i will look these rules up and who decided them and whn or they set in stone or do these rule become fluid

There is no fluidity, the rules are pretty clear, most people never forget them either.

Off the top of my head:-

Guidance does not affect your right to self defence, in all situations you are to use no more force than necessary.

You may only open fire against a person if they are about to commit or are committing an act likely to endanger life and there is no other way to prevent danger.

When guarding property lethal force can only be used for the protection of human life.

A challenge must be given before firing, unless:-

To do so.would increase the risk of death or injury to you or any other person, or, you or others in the immediate vacinity are under attack.

You should challenge by shouting Navy/Army/Air Force stop or I fire.

If you do open fire, use only aimed shots, fire no more rounds than are necessary and take all precautions not to injure anyone other than your target.

"

You're not going to get a more rational, factual and detailed answer than this OP.

Context is so important if you want to ask a question like this, and you haven't provided any. What goes around, comes around.

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By *ansoffateMan
over a year ago

Sagittarius A

It depends on the order and the legal status of the war internationally.

IMT Charter (Nuremberg)

Article 8 of the 1945 IMT Charter (Nuremberg) provides:

The fact that the Defendant acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior shall not free him from responsibility, but may be considered in mitigation of punishment if the Tribunal determines that justice so requires.

A soldier has a responsibility to refuse orders that constitute a crime against humanity.

Levels of subjectivity on that definition I am sure.

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By *rimson_RoseWoman
over a year ago

Tamworth


"What's your view on it OP?

most armed conflicts are dumb and silly thus lose of life on either side is never justifiable still grieving familes and mothers sons and daughters on either side what ever conflict thus there no reason to say it should have happend

Dumb or silly. So you’d rather be subject to the authority of an organisation such as the Gestapo and taking your chances with surviving torture. Happy days. no right wing and ultra right wing is mad dumb stupid anyone who wants just seize and keep power are the worst

So without armed conflict, how did you propose to prevent such ‘dumb stupid’ organisations? Mr Chamberlain taught us that appeasement doesn’t do the trick. wow thats 1st iv heard this one what about the good friday agreement isnt that an appeasement thats done well lease for now"

The Munich Agreement was a case of ‘ok now Herr Hitler, you can keep what you’ve taken up to now, just promise to keep your sticky fingers to yourself from now on.’

Vastly different to an agreement of steps to be taken by both sides and voted in by large majorities.

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Get down to your local travel agent and look at Tel Aviv this time of year.

Perhaps take a leisurely drive to the med and stop for drinks in Gaza.

You may find the time to relax and ask the locals some questions about war and morality.

Please be patient as the answer will not be as straightforward as some of them on here!

Good luck and remember the travel insurance. nice but are they in armed forces if not wouldnt i better speak to the idf as they are the armed forces

Well Hamas are the non state actors of Palestine, as Hezbollah are for Lebanon. It just expands your question even more.

If you were to sit down and ask an Israeli or member of the IDF about murder after what has happened to their state (whether you agree/disagree recognise/resent) I think you would get a fairly straightforward and resounding answer. Question that answer and the travel insurance would come in handy for your repatriation."
ok i dno why u talking about isreali conflict personally , mine was on all warefare in general and victor answer the orginal question something cant be tried as unlawfull if its classed as lawfull in the book that was my mis understanding that hes cleared up but if u ask if its ok that idf kill then no idf are suppose to be police not milliatary this would be like the r.u.c doing the acttions of thr british army

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"What's your view on it OP?

most armed conflicts are dumb and silly thus lose of life on either side is never justifiable still grieving familes and mothers sons and daughters on either side what ever conflict thus there no reason to say it should have happend

Dumb or silly. So you’d rather be subject to the authority of an organisation such as the Gestapo and taking your chances with surviving torture. Happy days. no right wing and ultra right wing is mad dumb stupid anyone who wants just seize and keep power are the worst

So without armed conflict, how did you propose to prevent such ‘dumb stupid’ organisations? Mr Chamberlain taught us that appeasement doesn’t do the trick. education and structures and independent organisations set out to safeguard for that very thing such as how watch dog and oxam do for tv vote to make sure they aint rigged or how amesty does for human rights violations fair independence and impartiality

Hitler was voted into power lawfully. "
yeah and the seuzing of power wasnt lawfull as he changed the laws and made its his way that’s facism he was voted politcally but after that vite ther was no vote again its not like it was fair its still right wing play book and when i say right wing i mean ultra nationalist

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"There is a little town in The Netherlands called Hague. It’s about an hours drive SW from Amsterdam. They have some really clever people there who are a lot more qualified to debate this with you than us. oooh funny enough im going ther in February

Cool, if you get a chance, check out the court. "
im going to see alot going to the dam to see the holocaust name monuments too over 1million names on wall full families wiped of face of mapp sad days man

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


" Armed forces is it murder in war or justifyed , those with experience please Explain

If the international rules of engagement are followed then no.

Thread closed ok thank you i will look these rules up and who decided them and whn or they set in stone or do these rule become fluid

There is no fluidity, the rules are pretty clear, most people never forget them either.

Off the top of my head:-

Guidance does not affect your right to self defence, in all situations you are to use no more force than necessary.

You may only open fire against a person if they are about to commit or are committing an act likely to endanger life and there is no other way to prevent danger.

When guarding property lethal force can only be used for the protection of human life.

A challenge must be given before firing, unless:-

To do so.would increase the risk of death or injury to you or any other person, or, you or others in the immediate vacinity are under attack.

You should challenge by shouting Navy/Army/Air Force stop or I fire.

If you do open fire, use only aimed shots, fire no more rounds than are necessary and take all precautions not to injure anyone other than your target.

Thank younfor being honest and genuine and not feeling attacked

"

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


" Armed forces is it murder in war or justifyed , those with experience please Explain

If the international rules of engagement are followed then no.

Thread closed ok thank you i will look these rules up and who decided them and whn or they set in stone or do these rule become fluid

There is no fluidity, the rules are pretty clear, most people never forget them either.

Off the top of my head:-

Guidance does not affect your right to self defence, in all situations you are to use no more force than necessary.

You may only open fire against a person if they are about to commit or are committing an act likely to endanger life and there is no other way to prevent danger.

When guarding property lethal force can only be used for the protection of human life.

A challenge must be given before firing, unless:-

To do so.would increase the risk of death or injury to you or any other person, or, you or others in the immediate vacinity are under attack.

You should challenge by shouting Navy/Army/Air Force stop or I fire.

If you do open fire, use only aimed shots, fire no more rounds than are necessary and take all precautions not to injure anyone other than your target.

You're not going to get a more rational, factual and detailed answer than this OP.

Context is so important if you want to ask a question like this, and you haven't provided any. What goes around, comes around.

"
i just thanked this poster thats real insight right ther instead of say i should be were i dont belong

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By *oreAgainForeverCouple
over a year ago

doncaster

You a Celtic fan by any chance OP

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By *rimson_RoseWoman
over a year ago

Tamworth


"What's your view on it OP?

most armed conflicts are dumb and silly thus lose of life on either side is never justifiable still grieving familes and mothers sons and daughters on either side what ever conflict thus there no reason to say it should have happend

Dumb or silly. So you’d rather be subject to the authority of an organisation such as the Gestapo and taking your chances with surviving torture. Happy days. no right wing and ultra right wing is mad dumb stupid anyone who wants just seize and keep power are the worst

So without armed conflict, how did you propose to prevent such ‘dumb stupid’ organisations? Mr Chamberlain taught us that appeasement doesn’t do the trick. education and structures and independent organisations set out to safeguard for that very thing such as how watch dog and oxam do for tv vote to make sure they aint rigged or how amesty does for human rights violations fair independence and impartiality

Hitler was voted into power lawfully. yeah and the seuzing of power wasnt lawfull as he changed the laws and made its his way that’s facism he was voted politcally but after that vite ther was no vote again its not like it was fair its still right wing play book and when i say right wing i mean ultra nationalist"

He became chancellor after the Nazis became the majority party.

He then used the law to set up new legislation such as the Reichstag Fire Decree and the Enabling Act. Everything he brought in was approved through the appropriate channels until he walked himself into a position where the only person with the power to bin him off…was him.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"All deaths are homicides. Justifiable deaths in combat are lawful homicide, not murder.

The common law definition of murder is the unlawful killing of another with malice aforethought.thank you vitor 1st one to actuall explain it"

Could you not have Googled this, rather than upsetting a bunch of people by coming into a delicate topic like a wrecking ball?

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"You a Celtic fan by any chance OP"
is it the 1888 that gave it away or the talk of the r.u.c lol

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By *CExeCouple
over a year ago

Lincoln/Exeter

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"What's your view on it OP?

most armed conflicts are dumb and silly thus lose of life on either side is never justifiable still grieving familes and mothers sons and daughters on either side what ever conflict thus there no reason to say it should have happend

Dumb or silly. So you’d rather be subject to the authority of an organisation such as the Gestapo and taking your chances with surviving torture. Happy days. no right wing and ultra right wing is mad dumb stupid anyone who wants just seize and keep power are the worst

So without armed conflict, how did you propose to prevent such ‘dumb stupid’ organisations? Mr Chamberlain taught us that appeasement doesn’t do the trick. education and structures and independent organisations set out to safeguard for that very thing such as how watch dog and oxam do for tv vote to make sure they aint rigged or how amesty does for human rights violations fair independence and impartiality

Hitler was voted into power lawfully. yeah and the seuzing of power wasnt lawfull as he changed the laws and made its his way that’s facism he was voted politcally but after that vite ther was no vote again its not like it was fair its still right wing play book and when i say right wing i mean ultra nationalist

He became chancellor after the Nazis became the majority party.

He then used the law to set up new legislation such as the Reichstag Fire Decree and the Enabling Act. Everything he brought in was approved through the appropriate channels until he walked himself into a position where the only person with the power to bin him off…was him. "
yeah thats still righ wing ultra nationalism from the facist handbook tho mos dont get elected they take power like mussilini but its still facism a facist party is still a facist party weither elected or not

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By *oreAgainForeverCouple
over a year ago

doncaster


"You a Celtic fan by any chance OP is it the 1888 that gave it away or the talk of the r.u.c lol"
guessed by location and the question asked obvious troll is obvious

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"You a Celtic fan by any chance OP is it the 1888 that gave it away or the talk of the r.u.c lol

So many things lol"
ats it be proud of who you are cant change dna ( club like no other)

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"You a Celtic fan by any chance OP is it the 1888 that gave it away or the talk of the r.u.c lol guessed by location and the question asked obvious troll is obvious "
ooh yeah forgot about location bu hey ho

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"All deaths are homicides. Justifiable deaths in combat are lawful homicide, not murder.

The common law definition of murder is the unlawful killing of another with malice aforethought.thank you vitor 1st one to actuall explain it

Could you not have Googled this, rather than upsetting a bunch of people by coming into a delicate topic like a wrecking ball?"
read above statement there are no dumb questions and if you ask a question you be a fool for a mintue dont ask it youll be a fool for life

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"What a shock. A supporter of paedo fc slabbering about the armed forces after his fellow scum flew hamas flags. Fucking bigoted clown. "
thanks i dont support hamas tho i support no armed conflicts im in favour of pankration tho thats the way real men settle stuff and thanks for insults normally need pay for abuse

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"What a shock. A supporter of paedo fc slabbering about the armed forces after his fellow scum flew hamas flags. Fucking bigoted clown. "
explain your armed forces experience

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"All deaths are homicides. Justifiable deaths in combat are lawful homicide, not murder.

The common law definition of murder is the unlawful killing of another with malice aforethought.thank you vitor 1st one to actuall explain it

Could you not have Googled this, rather than upsetting a bunch of people by coming into a delicate topic like a wrecking ball? read above statement there are no dumb questions and if you ask a question you be a fool for a mintue dont ask it youll be a fool for life"

Ok.

Your teachers may have taught you that.

My teachers taught me how to look things up when I don't know something. It's like asking questions, except books and websites give you answers. And is less likely to piss people off.

There's no stupid questions. There are many foolish ways to ask questions, though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This seems to be an explosive subject. No pun intended.

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"All deaths are homicides. Justifiable deaths in combat are lawful homicide, not murder.

The common law definition of murder is the unlawful killing of another with malice aforethought.thank you vitor 1st one to actuall explain it

Could you not have Googled this, rather than upsetting a bunch of people by coming into a delicate topic like a wrecking ball? read above statement there are no dumb questions and if you ask a question you be a fool for a mintue dont ask it youll be a fool for life

Ok.

Your teachers may have taught you that.

My teachers taught me how to look things up when I don't know something. It's like asking questions, except books and websites give you answers. And is less likely to piss people off.

There's no stupid questions. There are many foolish ways to ask questions, though."
aw well people i dont really care for people’s opinions much i care foe life experiences as i asked for armed force member to only get told by people who want armed forces to never ask that like al ask what a want if you or them dont like it as i said im my own human an you and them are theirs am not telling anyone else how to life or speak ahaha

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By *mf123Man
over a year ago

with one foot out the door

A licence to kill is the same as a license not to kill its about judgment calls based on the safety of themselves and others

There are no right and wrong its a job with rules like many others

If a boxer hits another boxer and kills him is that murder?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"All deaths are homicides. Justifiable deaths in combat are lawful homicide, not murder.

The common law definition of murder is the unlawful killing of another with malice aforethought.thank you vitor 1st one to actuall explain it

Could you not have Googled this, rather than upsetting a bunch of people by coming into a delicate topic like a wrecking ball? read above statement there are no dumb questions and if you ask a question you be a fool for a mintue dont ask it youll be a fool for life

Ok.

Your teachers may have taught you that.

My teachers taught me how to look things up when I don't know something. It's like asking questions, except books and websites give you answers. And is less likely to piss people off.

There's no stupid questions. There are many foolish ways to ask questions, though. aw well people i dont really care for people’s opinions much i care foe life experiences as i asked for armed force member to only get told by people who want armed forces to never ask that like al ask what a want if you or them dont like it as i said im my own human an you and them are theirs am not telling anyone else how to life or speak ahaha "

Well, good luck to you with that. If you wish to be dependent upon people who you seem to be upsetting to get information, then you might need that luck ahaha

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why don't you join up then you can answer your own question?

I don't think the OP has the balls to serve his country!

I think you'll find that most ex forces who have been in combat aren't going to talk about it or give opinions about it on here. "

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"This seems to be an explosive subject. No pun intended. "
ano see how its became about personal insults or attemps at them

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

Cut the guy some slack! Please!x

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Cut the guy some slack! Please!x"
doesnt need to doesnt bother me nothing he says to me will hurt me

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford


"Cut the guy some slack! Please!xdoesnt need to doesnt bother me nothing he says to me will hurt me "

Good! Take care! X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Look up the international law of arms conflict law. Its about 2000 pages of international law that all armies have to able by.

As for armies killing their own people thats totally different to a war.

OP what you're asking is a massive question that would take more than 175 answers to answer.

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Cut the guy some slack! Please!xdoesnt need to doesnt bother me nothing he says to me will hurt me

Good! Take care! X"
thank you fornyour kind words i wish you positive vibes in all future endeavours

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Look up the international law of arms conflict law. Its about 2000 pages of international law that all armies have to able by.

As for armies killing their own people thats totally different to a war.

OP what you're asking is a massive question that would take more than 175 answers to answer. "
ok thanks and i understand the question was actually answer if you took time go to top they detail 10steps before you can engage and i thanked the man and took this on bord other dude just started talking about celtic and the middle east

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By *ou only live onceMan
over a year ago

London

This is all getting a bit weird lads, I have to say.

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"This is all getting a bit weird lads, I have to say. "
ano init thats what iv said man hes rambling about celtic and middle east

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By *aizyWoman
over a year ago

west midlands


"This is all getting a bit weird lads, I have to say. "

You noticed that too?!

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

It's murder

Because the purpose of shooting would be to make them unable to shoot back causing injury to be detained

No body has the right to kill another life. But it's done and should come under war crimes

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By *ou only live onceMan
over a year ago

London


"This is all getting a bit weird lads, I have to say.

You noticed that too?! "

I'm not normally especially observant, but hard to miss...

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By *sprey6Man
over a year ago

Here!


"What's your view on it OP?

most armed conflicts are dumb and silly thus lose of life on either side is never justifiable still grieving familes and mothers sons and daughters on either side what ever conflict thus there no reason to say it should have happend"

And because they stood and fought you have the freedom to ask this in English?

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"What a shock. A supporter of paedo fc slabbering about the armed forces after his fellow scum flew hamas flags. Fucking bigoted clown. explain your armed forces experience

What's your armed forces experience? none that why i asked armed forces vets if i have experience i wid already know

Are you asking? You don't seem very receptive to those more knowledgeable with experience on the subject as you seem to already have pre formed ideas.

pre formed idea comes from the lack of explanation on war documentaries

They come from the scum you hang about with at the piggery. "
lots a anger in this one and anger leads to hate and hate leads to the dark side

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"This is all getting a bit weird lads, I have to say.

You noticed that too?! "
thanks same been saying it frim start

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"This is all getting a bit weird lads, I have to say. "

Just a bit

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"What's your view on it OP?

most armed conflicts are dumb and silly thus lose of life on either side is never justifiable still grieving familes and mothers sons and daughters on either side what ever conflict thus there no reason to say it should have happend

And because they stood and fought you have the freedom to ask this in English?"
but would instill have been born if it didnt woukd bother me if we spoke gibberish as im fleuent inthat shite already

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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

No, but the ones who are getting attacked have no choice and have the right to defend themselves.

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"This is all getting a bit weird lads, I have to say.

Just a bit "
thanks fir everyone who comented as i said i thank everyones imput victor and the other poster who actually explaind they answer

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"No, but the ones who are getting attacked have no choice and have the right to defend themselves."
right i dno what your talking about

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

Wow it seems too be getting pretty heated up in here can we please keep any debate calmly without attacking each other agree to disagree...

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Wow it seems too be getting pretty heated up in here can we please keep any debate calmly without attacking each other agree to disagree..."
thank you

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford


"Wow it seems too be getting pretty heated up in here can we please keep any debate calmly without attacking each other agree to disagree..."

Absolutely! x

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By *rMonkeyMan
over a year ago

Somewhere


"It's murder

Because the purpose of shooting would be to make them unable to shoot back causing injury to be detained

No body has the right to kill another life. But it's done and should come under war crimes"

No, it should not come under war crimes. Aside posted a brief overview of the ROE above, excerpt below.

Guidance does not affect your right to self defence, in all situations you are to use no more force than necessary.

You may only open fire against a person if they are about to commit or are committing an act likely to endanger life and there is no other way to prevent danger.

When someone shot at me, I shot back, self defence, and to not shoot back would have endangered my life and others. I am afforded protection under the rules of engagement, therefore not a war crime.

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By *aza1888 OP   Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"It's murder

Because the purpose of shooting would be to make them unable to shoot back causing injury to be detained

No body has the right to kill another life. But it's done and should come under war crimes

No, it should not come under war crimes. Aside posted a brief overview of the ROE above, excerpt below.

Guidance does not affect your right to self defence, in all situations you are to use no more force than necessary.

You may only open fire against a person if they are about to commit or are committing an act likely to endanger life and there is no other way to prevent danger.

When someone shot at me, I shot back, self defence, and to not shoot back would have endangered my life and others. I am afforded protection under the rules of engagement, therefore not a war crime."
thanks i mentioned that you answerd the thread and thank you for it some haven even read it they just devolved into anarchy

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"It's murder

Because the purpose of shooting would be to make them unable to shoot back causing injury to be detained

No body has the right to kill another life. But it's done and should come under war crimes

No, it should not come under war crimes. Aside posted a brief overview of the ROE above, excerpt below.

Guidance does not affect your right to self defence, in all situations you are to use no more force than necessary.

You may only open fire against a person if they are about to commit or are committing an act likely to endanger life and there is no other way to prevent danger.

When someone shot at me, I shot back, self defence, and to not shoot back would have endangered my life and others. I am afforded protection under the rules of engagement, therefore not a war crime."

This..

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By *ilf and old fartCouple
over a year ago

Between Ely and Mildenhall

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By *rimson_RoseWoman
over a year ago

Tamworth


"It's murder

Because the purpose of shooting would be to make them unable to shoot back causing injury to be detained

No body has the right to kill another life. But it's done and should come under war crimes"

Murder is unlawful killing. If it’s done under the ROE it’s not unlawful. Therefore it’s not murder.

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By *sername already in useMan
over a year ago

manchester

I see quite a few people seemed to have lost their baseballs.

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle


"It's murder

Because the purpose of shooting would be to make them unable to shoot back causing injury to be detained

No body has the right to kill another life. But it's done and should come under war crimes

No, it should not come under war crimes. Aside posted a brief overview of the ROE above, excerpt below.

Guidance does not affect your right to self defence, in all situations you are to use no more force than necessary.

You may only open fire against a person if they are about to commit or are committing an act likely to endanger life and there is no other way to prevent danger.

When someone shot at me, I shot back, self defence, and to not shoot back would have endangered my life and others. I am afforded protection under the rules of engagement, therefore not a war crime."

Obviously depending upon the dangers they pose because you/they're trying to protect lives by common law a conflict of interest

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By *ilf and old fartCouple
over a year ago

Between Ely and Mildenhall

What a bloody daft question. I will reply as nicely as possible.

If someone was shooting at me when I was a soldier, then I'd happily return fire.

If that means that they died then they should have known better than to open fire on the British Army.

They will be treated with as much extreme prejudice as the ROE's allowed as a consequence of their actions.

All prisoners taken are treated under the rules of the Geneva Convention by the British Army unless they were to break it by then using weapons against the soldiers that have captured them. They are then treated as armed combatants and as such are then neutralised in whatever way necessary.

It comes down to basics, if you're being shot at, then it's kill or be killed.

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