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"Anyone have any thoughts about going to a local NHS hospital nowadays? I think it's a big sister experiment: After a visit 1.30pm to 9pm. yesterday. I honestly think they are there, to keep you there, as long as possible. To get as much money in their car parking meters, which incidently none worked, as possible. Before watching with glee, as they watch you from behind perspex. - They are probably running a tote as to how long before someone will crack- as you walk out. Nothing has changed basically, in the last 25 years. Argos/McDonalds has got a better way of taking your money and shoving you out the door. Maybe that's it. Taking your money because technically they're not. However, the government is, with NI contributions. Apologies about the rant. But yesterday was not a fun day, and I wasn't even the patient. "Totally agree - and something that’s actually been going on for years Myself and my family are current/past nhs admin/health staff… | |||
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"Anyone have any thoughts about going to a local NHS hospital nowadays? I think it's a big sister experiment: After a visit 1.30pm to 9pm. yesterday. I honestly think they are there, to keep you there, as long as possible. To get as much money in their car parking meters, which incidently none worked, as possible. Before watching with glee, as they watch you from behind perspex. - They are probably running a tote as to how long before someone will crack- as you walk out. Nothing has changed basically, in the last 25 years. Argos/McDonalds has got a better way of taking your money and shoving you out the door. Maybe that's it. Taking your money because technically they're not. However, the government is, with NI contributions. Apologies about the rant. But yesterday was not a fun day, and I wasn't even the patient. Totally agree - and something that’s actually been going on for years
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"Sometimes I just can't be bothered to argue. Wait til it's gone and then complain." I would love for the NHS to be gone and replaced with a REAL insurance system instead of national insurance. (So long as we had controls in place to prevent inflation of costs). NHS is pure crap and I there have been multiple times where I’ve had to pay to privately get things looked at over the last 3 years. So I’d gladly scrap the NHS. It saves me paying for a service that doesn’t work. | |||
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"I went to AE because my foot swelled up and I struggled to walk. Got there at 9pm. About 10 or so people waiting. Was asked to take a seat an hour later got called in by a nurse to see what the problem was. Got given some pain killers and asked to sit down while a doctor came available to see me. I sat there from 9pm arrival time and got seen by a doctor at 9.30am. I was with him for less than 5 mins. Unbelievable what's going on surely they must have a grip on this by now. " | |||
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"I went to AE because my foot swelled up and I struggled to walk. Got there at 9pm. About 10 or so people waiting. Was asked to take a seat an hour later got called in by a nurse to see what the problem was. Got given some pain killers and asked to sit down while a doctor came available to see me. I sat there from 9pm arrival time and got seen by a doctor at 9.30am. I was with him for less than 5 mins. Unbelievable what's going on surely they must have a grip on this by now. " Hardly an emergency then. Probably loads of people with serious accidents or emergencies complaining about a bloke with a sore foot who kept them waiting for hours to see a Dr. | |||
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"You agree that the NHS play games with patients to reap in parking revenue and staff watch patients and lay bets about their discomfort for fun "I was being sarcastic, honest. | |||
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"Sometimes I just can't be bothered to argue. Wait til it's gone and then complain. I would love for the NHS to be gone and replaced with a REAL insurance system instead of national insurance. (So long as we had controls in place to prevent inflation of costs). NHS is pure crap and I there have been multiple times where I’ve had to pay to privately get things looked at over the last 3 years. So I’d gladly scrap the NHS. It saves me paying for a service that doesn’t work." What about those who can’t afford insurance? | |||
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"Sometimes I just can't be bothered to argue. Wait til it's gone and then complain. I would love for the NHS to be gone and replaced with a REAL insurance system instead of national insurance. (So long as we had controls in place to prevent inflation of costs). NHS is pure crap and I there have been multiple times where I’ve had to pay to privately get things looked at over the last 3 years. So I’d gladly scrap the NHS. It saves me paying for a service that doesn’t work. What about those who can’t afford insurance? " Such as? Most people pay national insurance already. | |||
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"Sometimes I just can't be bothered to argue. Wait til it's gone and then complain. I would love for the NHS to be gone and replaced with a REAL insurance system instead of national insurance. (So long as we had controls in place to prevent inflation of costs). NHS is pure crap and I there have been multiple times where I’ve had to pay to privately get things looked at over the last 3 years. So I’d gladly scrap the NHS. It saves me paying for a service that doesn’t work. What about those who can’t afford insurance? Such as? Most people pay national insurance already." The unemployed? The disabled? Children? | |||
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" NHS is pure crap and I there have been multiple times where I’ve had to pay to privately get things looked at over the last 3 years. So I’d gladly scrap the NHS. It saves me paying for a service that doesn’t work." The NHS has saved my life with a heart operation. It saved my twins lives with an emergency Caesarean. How can you call it pure crap ? | |||
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"Sometimes I just can't be bothered to argue. Wait til it's gone and then complain. I would love for the NHS to be gone and replaced with a REAL insurance system instead of national insurance. (So long as we had controls in place to prevent inflation of costs). NHS is pure crap and I there have been multiple times where I’ve had to pay to privately get things looked at over the last 3 years. So I’d gladly scrap the NHS. It saves me paying for a service that doesn’t work. What about those who can’t afford insurance? Such as? Most people pay national insurance already. The unemployed? The disabled? Children?" Children are covered by parents obviously. Who said disabled people can’t afford things? Many do work you know. Unemployed - if there’s nothing wrong with you then get a job | |||
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"I think the issue is too many people attend A&E that shouldn't...often because they can't see their GP as soon as they'd like. This only oversaturates the system which then struggles to cope. I remember a few years back in Portugal they introduced a 20€ fee for all A&E attendees. The rate of admissions dropped very quickly. " I'd support a charge, even if it's then waived for "genuine cases" - certain criteria are met. I also think the same should be enforced for ambulance call-outs. D x | |||
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" NHS is pure crap and I there have been multiple times where I’ve had to pay to privately get things looked at over the last 3 years. So I’d gladly scrap the NHS. It saves me paying for a service that doesn’t work. The NHS has saved my life with a heart operation. It saved my twins lives with an emergency Caesarean. How can you call it pure crap ?" “The nhs” didn’t save your life. Doctors and nurses did. They could work for any organisation. The NHS IS pure crap. It’s disorganised, wasteful, inefficient and outdated | |||
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"Sometimes I just can't be bothered to argue. Wait til it's gone and then complain. I would love for the NHS to be gone and replaced with a REAL insurance system instead of national insurance. (So long as we had controls in place to prevent inflation of costs). NHS is pure crap and I there have been multiple times where I’ve had to pay to privately get things looked at over the last 3 years. So I’d gladly scrap the NHS. It saves me paying for a service that doesn’t work." If you are talking about an American-style insurance system, I hope that never comes about. The America has the most expensive health care system in the world and often doesn't work with a quality you should expect for what you pay. People go bankrupt over medical bills they can't pay. Prescription drugs cost a fortune. If you can't pay for health care then the system just tells you to fuck off and die. It's a terrible system that most Americans in surveys want to change. I hope it never comes here. It would be a disaster. That's why no other country takes up the American model. | |||
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"Sometimes I just can't be bothered to argue. Wait til it's gone and then complain. I would love for the NHS to be gone and replaced with a REAL insurance system instead of national insurance. (So long as we had controls in place to prevent inflation of costs). NHS is pure crap and I there have been multiple times where I’ve had to pay to privately get things looked at over the last 3 years. So I’d gladly scrap the NHS. It saves me paying for a service that doesn’t work. What about those who can’t afford insurance? Such as? Most people pay national insurance already." Do you actually think NI funds the NHS? | |||
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"Sometimes I just can't be bothered to argue. Wait til it's gone and then complain. I would love for the NHS to be gone and replaced with a REAL insurance system instead of national insurance. (So long as we had controls in place to prevent inflation of costs). NHS is pure crap and I there have been multiple times where I’ve had to pay to privately get things looked at over the last 3 years. So I’d gladly scrap the NHS. It saves me paying for a service that doesn’t work. What about those who can’t afford insurance? Such as? Most people pay national insurance already. Do you actually think NI funds the NHS?" Shhhhhhh! Don't spoil it. This is too fun seeing the thought process. | |||
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"Sometimes I just can't be bothered to argue. Wait til it's gone and then complain. I would love for the NHS to be gone and replaced with a REAL insurance system instead of national insurance. (So long as we had controls in place to prevent inflation of costs). NHS is pure crap and I there have been multiple times where I’ve had to pay to privately get things looked at over the last 3 years. So I’d gladly scrap the NHS. It saves me paying for a service that doesn’t work. What about those who can’t afford insurance? Such as? Most people pay national insurance already. Do you actually think NI funds the NHS? Shhhhhhh! Don't spoil it. This is too fun seeing the thought process. " There is that....bless  | |||
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"I'd support a charge, even if it's then waived for "genuine cases" - certain criteria are met. I also think the same should be enforced for ambulance call-outs. D x" I would as well. But if they can't get the basics right, which all on-line food delivery services have, which, IKEA, Argos McDonalds etc. have. What chance have they? The government needs to quit spending money on management consultants and start spending money on the basics. Just a large couple of monitors linked to a pc. Which doctors, nurses, specialist units have access to. Coupled with laminated directions for the patients. | |||
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Sorry, you're clueless. But I'm glad you're going private as it places less strain on other services.
Incidentally, you realise a LOT of NHS clinics also run private healthcare.
You also realise that, in the event of complications with your private healthcare provider, your insurance may not cover you for all eventualities. Luckily the NHS will handle that for you.
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"I'd support a charge, even if it's then waived for "genuine cases" - certain criteria are met. I also think the same should be enforced for ambulance call-outs. D x I would as well. But if they can't get the basics right, which all on-line food delivery services have, which, IKEA, Argos McDonalds etc. have. What chance have they? The government needs to quit spending money on management consultants and start spending money on the basics. Just a large couple of monitors linked to a pc. Which doctors, nurses, specialist units have access to. Coupled with laminated directions for the patients." Amazing, you've just fixed the NHS on a fabs forum post. | |||
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"Sometimes I just can't be bothered to argue. Wait til it's gone and then complain. I would love for the NHS to be gone and replaced with a REAL insurance system instead of national insurance. (So long as we had controls in place to prevent inflation of costs). NHS is pure crap and I there have been multiple times where I’ve had to pay to privately get things looked at over the last 3 years. So I’d gladly scrap the NHS. It saves me paying for a service that doesn’t work." Go private then. And leave the nhs to those that need it. | |||
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"Sometimes I just can't be bothered to argue. Wait til it's gone and then complain. I would love for the NHS to be gone and replaced with a REAL insurance system instead of national insurance. (So long as we had controls in place to prevent inflation of costs). NHS is pure crap and I there have been multiple times where I’ve had to pay to privately get things looked at over the last 3 years. So I’d gladly scrap the NHS. It saves me paying for a service that doesn’t work. If you are talking about an American-style insurance system, I hope that never comes about. The America has the most expensive health care system in the world and often doesn't work with a quality you should expect for what you pay. People go bankrupt over medical bills they can't pay. Prescription drugs cost a fortune. If you can't pay for health care then the system just tells you to fuck off and die. It's a terrible system that most Americans in surveys want to change. I hope it never comes here. It would be a disaster. That's why no other country takes up the American model. " No I’m not talking about American style. I mean more like the Australian style. Public-private mix. | |||
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"Sometimes I just can't be bothered to argue. Wait til it's gone and then complain. I would love for the NHS to be gone and replaced with a REAL insurance system instead of national insurance. (So long as we had controls in place to prevent inflation of costs). NHS is pure crap and I there have been multiple times where I’ve had to pay to privately get things looked at over the last 3 years. So I’d gladly scrap the NHS. It saves me paying for a service that doesn’t work. If you are talking about an American-style insurance system, I hope that never comes about. The America has the most expensive health care system in the world and often doesn't work with a quality you should expect for what you pay. People go bankrupt over medical bills they can't pay. Prescription drugs cost a fortune. If you can't pay for health care then the system just tells you to fuck off and die. It's a terrible system that most Americans in surveys want to change. I hope it never comes here. It would be a disaster. That's why no other country takes up the American model. No I’m not talking about American style. I mean more like the Australian style. Public-private mix." But ummm... That's exactly what we have | |||
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"I'd support a charge, even if it's then waived for "genuine cases" - certain criteria are met. I also think the same should be enforced for ambulance call-outs. D x I would as well. But if they can't get the basics right, which all on-line food delivery services have, which, IKEA, Argos McDonalds etc. have. What chance have they? The government needs to quit spending money on management consultants and start spending money on the basics. Just a large couple of monitors linked to a pc. Which doctors, nurses, specialist units have access to. Coupled with laminated directions for the patients." McDonald's, IKEA etc only provide services to people who pay, and only provide the particular item they pay for. | |||
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"Following the way the local hospital treated my Father this year I have lost a lot of faith in them. I am all for blaming the government but this wasn’t policy this was simple mismanagement and callous actions by individual staff members. I would have to be falling apart before you dragged me to A&E at the moment as an aside. " I agree that there are big failings in some hospitals. | |||
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"Sometimes I just can't be bothered to argue. Wait til it's gone and then complain. I would love for the NHS to be gone and replaced with a REAL insurance system instead of national insurance. (So long as we had controls in place to prevent inflation of costs). NHS is pure crap and I there have been multiple times where I’ve had to pay to privately get things looked at over the last 3 years. So I’d gladly scrap the NHS. It saves me paying for a service that doesn’t work. What about those who can’t afford insurance? Such as? Most people pay national insurance already. The unemployed? The disabled? Children? Children are covered by parents obviously. Who said disabled people can’t afford things? Many do work you know. Unemployed - if there’s nothing wrong with you then get a job " Wow you are a little beacon of hope in an otherwise dark and depressing world of despair.  | |||
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"I think the issue is too many people attend A&E that shouldn't...often because they can't see their GP as soon as they'd like. This only oversaturates the system which then struggles to cope. I remember a few years back in Portugal they introduced a 20€ fee for all A&E attendees. The rate of admissions dropped very quickly. " Agreed. Prior to Covid the 'bottleneck' was GP surgeries. Because it's so difficult nowadays, to get appointments at GP surgeries. The 'bottleneck' has shifted to the hospitals. | |||
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"There are significant problems with the NHS, and the quality of the service you receive can vary greatly from Trust to Trust, and even the day of the week and the time you get there. All Trusts suffer from a lack of realistic workforce planning, because it is still inconvenient to mention population growth, and top-down, inflexible management that often proves to be the roadblock in implementing new and streamlined services. However, none of this can distract from the basic fact that the NHS is an unqualified good, and most of the staff you meet when you walk through the door are facing enormous pressures. Like most things that are taken for granted, you cannot fully appreciate how important and essential it is until it is gone. " I think that just about says it all. I can't imagine having to think whether I could afford to seek medical help or worry about calling an ambulance. If I had to take out private medical insurance at my age I dread to think how much it would cost | |||
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"Anyone have any thoughts about going to a local NHS hospital nowadays? I think it's a big sister experiment: After a visit 1.30pm to 9pm. yesterday. I honestly think they are there, to keep you there, as long as possible. To get as much money in their car parking meters, which incidently none worked, as possible. Before watching with glee, as they watch you from behind perspex. - They are probably running a tote as to how long before someone will crack- as you walk out. Nothing has changed basically, in the last 25 years. Argos/McDonalds has got a better way of taking your money and shoving you out the door. Maybe that's it. Taking your money because technically they're not. However, the government is, with NI contributions. Apologies about the rant. But yesterday was not a fun day, and I wasn't even the patient. "Sorry to say NI contributions are for your pension and benefits nothing to do with NHS | |||
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"I think the issue is too many people attend A&E that shouldn't...often because they can't see their GP as soon as they'd like. This only oversaturates the system which then struggles to cope. I remember a few years back in Portugal they introduced a 20€ fee for all A&E attendees. The rate of admissions dropped very quickly. Agreed. Prior to Covid the 'bottleneck' was GP surgeries. Because it's so difficult nowadays, to get appointments at GP surgeries. The 'bottleneck' has shifted to the hospitals." So many of the elderly who are struggling to feed themselves or heat their homes (other vulnerable groups also), are going to have to think long and hard about whether to call an ambulance if they have symptoms of a stroke, heart attack etc | |||
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"Perhaps you were just being triaged OP and were dealt with accordingly. Been to A&E three times in my life and cannot fault service I received. Have used the local town Minor Injuries Unit on numerous occasions, again excellent, seen too there and then and given any follow-up advice. " Went through triage. Then the Doc. Then CT and was told by the nurse we were due to go to X-ray but the doc three hours previous hadn't booked it.....and to sit back in the waiting room again. I asked how long an hour, 2, 3 or 4 hours? Having everyone been told 30 mins earlier, that there was a 5 hour wait to see doctors. At which point I then found out none of the parking machines didn't work either. | |||
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" I am all for blaming the government but this wasn’t policy this was simple mismanagement and callous actions by individual staff members. " Except it was policy! Everything shaping the NHS was a result of policy. Top tier management used to be in-house and carried out by medics in the profession. Nowadays they're a fast track entity with business acumen and not healthcare. And they still get it wrong. This started at the top and trickled down. | |||
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"7 & a half hours is nothing. And we’re going into flu & norovirus season. Our NHS is grossly underfunded & sometime mis-managed. They are understaffed due to Brexit. Also often people go to A&E when they could use another service such as 111 or a pharmacist. Be grateful for the service we have. My friend in USA has just had a hysterectomy & it would have cost £35k without insurance. In Guernsey a smear test can cost over £200. J x" Exactly this op. I appreciate any nhs hospital | |||
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"Anyone have any thoughts about going to a local NHS hospital nowadays? I think it's a big sister experiment: After a visit 1.30pm to 9pm. yesterday. I honestly think they are there, to keep you there, as long as possible. To get as much money in their car parking meters, which incidently none worked, as possible. Before watching with glee, as they watch you from behind perspex. - They are probably running a tote as to how long before someone will crack- as you walk out. Nothing has changed basically, in the last 25 years. Argos/McDonalds has got a better way of taking your money and shoving you out the door. Maybe that's it. Taking your money because technically they're not. However, the government is, with NI contributions. Apologies about the rant. But yesterday was not a fun day, and I wasn't even the patient. "I tend to agree. It's like it's designed to be as maximally inefficient and unpleasant as possible. You see plenty of folks milling around apparently not doing very much... Perhaps they are.? I also appreciate it's good to be calm under pressure so not sure we ever would see what's truly happening. But if you can find an a and e that is actually open...im far from convinced they are close to as efficient and friendly as they could be. Maybe put a and e in an a and e.. | |||
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"Sometimes I just can't be bothered to argue. Wait til it's gone and then complain. I would love for the NHS to be gone and replaced with a REAL insurance system instead of national insurance. (So long as we had controls in place to prevent inflation of costs). NHS is pure crap and I there have been multiple times where I’ve had to pay to privately get things looked at over the last 3 years. So I’d gladly scrap the NHS. It saves me paying for a service that doesn’t work. What about those who can’t afford insurance? Such as? Most people pay national insurance already." Look at the USA where huge numbers of people don’t have insurance and therefore get little to no medical help when they need it. And anyone who thinks that there will be “controls in place to prevent inflation of costs” is deluded, when those seeking to profit have the ear of those making the rules. The NHS came about because there was a broad political consensus that the old system (pay, or go without) was inhuman. It’s mind boggling that anyone would want to go back. | |||
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"There are significant problems with the NHS, and the quality of the service you receive can vary greatly from Trust to Trust, and even the day of the week and the time you get there. All Trusts suffer from a lack of realistic workforce planning, because it is still inconvenient to mention population growth, and top-down, inflexible management that often proves to be the roadblock in implementing new and streamlined services. However, none of this can distract from the basic fact that the NHS is an unqualified good, and most of the staff you meet when you walk through the door are facing enormous pressures. Like most things that are taken for granted, you cannot fully appreciate how important and essential it is until it is gone. " You are so right, I have had 3 operations this year been in and out of hospital I don't know how many times, if I had to try and pay for all the treatment I've had I wouldn't be able to do it. I saw a video online of a woman in America, exact same medical problems as me, same treatment, but she had the added stress of trying to pay for it all, she had had to give up her job and her and her husband were on the verge of bankruptcy just from the medical bills. We are so lucky. | |||
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"Sometimes I just can't be bothered to argue. Wait til it's gone and then complain. I would love for the NHS to be gone and replaced with a REAL insurance system instead of national insurance. (So long as we had controls in place to prevent inflation of costs). NHS is pure crap and I there have been multiple times where I’ve had to pay to privately get things looked at over the last 3 years. So I’d gladly scrap the NHS. It saves me paying for a service that doesn’t work. What about those who can’t afford insurance? Such as? Most people pay national insurance already." If we went to a full insurance model the premiums would be enormous, currently private healthcare is relatively cheap because they are able to pick and choose their patients. If they had to provide a full service, and make a profit, they would massively increase what has to be paid. Just look at what has happened anytime a private healthcare has taken on an NHS contract, it does not end well. Mr DD | |||
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"OP, was your visit to A&E for the result of an accident you had, or a life threatening emergency ?" Ex partner had a dizzy turn and fell backwards and she said she thought she hit her head. Though, no visible blood or marks.) No broken bones. Don't know whether she fainted or not. Drove over (Docs surgery is just round the corner but trying to see a doc is next to impossible.) So thought sod it. Let's go to the hospital as she had a bad headache as well......but the main issue is her tummy where she's experiencing severe pain....hence the x-ray which never happened because we'd had enough. | |||
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"OP, was your visit to A&E for the result of an accident you had, or a life threatening emergency ?" Does it matter? If people are time wasting being there... Turf them out. If people need a and e help. Treat them... We all pay plenty for our free nhs. Be better. Not even excellent. Just better. | |||
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"7 & a half hours is nothing. And we’re going into flu & norovirus season. Our NHS is grossly underfunded & sometime mis-managed. They are understaffed due to Brexit. Also often people go to A&E when they could use another service such as 111 or a pharmacist. Be grateful for the service we have. My friend in USA has just had a hysterectomy & it would have cost £35k without insurance. In Guernsey a smear test can cost over £200. J x Exactly this op. I appreciate any nhs hospital " So do we!! T had cancer treatment that probably cost £250k+ and I’ve had numerous treatments over the years. The NHS isn’t just about hospitals though, it’s GP’s, mental health services, CAMHS, some dental treatment etc… | |||
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"OP, was your visit to A&E for the result of an accident you had, or a life threatening emergency ? Does it matter? If people are time wasting being there... Turf them out. If people need a and e help. Treat them... We all pay plenty for our free nhs. Be better. Not even excellent. Just better. " This is true. We tend to assume that we're getting health care free. We're not, we just don't pay at the point of delivery | |||
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"Anyone have any thoughts about going to a local NHS hospital nowadays? I think it's a big sister experiment: After a visit 1.30pm to 9pm. yesterday. I honestly think they are there, to keep you there, as long as possible. To get as much money in their car parking meters, which incidently none worked, as possible. Before watching with glee, as they watch you from behind perspex. - They are probably running a tote as to how long before someone will crack- as you walk out. Nothing has changed basically, in the last 25 years. Argos/McDonalds has got a better way of taking your money and shoving you out the door. Maybe that's it. Taking your money because technically they're not. However, the government is, with NI contributions. Apologies about the rant. But yesterday was not a fun day, and I wasn't even the patient. "Saved my life after apparently I’d been walking around with pneumonia for a while, which then caused so much fluid on my lungs they were trying to work out how enough oxygen had been going around for all my organs to work! Rushed me in… almost got taken to ICU And anyone who had their first episode with Bell’s palsy will tell you what it’s like being in A&E having to take all the tests thinking “shit, have I had a stroke!” … the staff at A&E are a godsend | |||
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"7 & a half hours is nothing. And we’re going into flu & norovirus season. Our NHS is grossly underfunded & sometime mis-managed. They are understaffed due to Brexit. Also often people go to A&E when they could use another service such as 111 or a pharmacist. Be grateful for the service we have. My friend in USA has just had a hysterectomy & it would have cost £35k without insurance. In Guernsey a smear test can cost over £200. J x Exactly this op. I appreciate any nhs hospital So do we!! T had cancer treatment that probably cost £250k+ and I’ve had numerous treatments over the years. The NHS isn’t just about hospitals though, it’s GP’s, mental health services, CAMHS, some dental treatment etc… " It’s worth noting that the “would have cost” price still applies here. It’s still being paid. Just it’s being paid by everyone else and not solely by you. | |||
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"Sometimes I just can't be bothered to argue. Wait til it's gone and then complain. I would love for the NHS to be gone and replaced with a REAL insurance system instead of national insurance. (So long as we had controls in place to prevent inflation of costs). NHS is pure crap and I there have been multiple times where I’ve had to pay to privately get things looked at over the last 3 years. So I’d gladly scrap the NHS. It saves me paying for a service that doesn’t work. What about those who can’t afford insurance? Such as? Most people pay national insurance already. Do you actually think NI funds the NHS?" National Insurance funds the following: 1 N.H.S. 2 State Pensions 3 Unemployment Benefit 4 Sickness & Disability Allowances 5 Bereavement Benefits | |||
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" ... So many of the elderly who are struggling to feed themselves or heat their homes (other vulnerable groups also), are going to have to think long and hard about whether to call an ambulance if they have symptoms of a stroke, heart attack etc "Or 'long and thick' if the would prefer every thing to be private! | |||
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"Sometimes I just can't be bothered to argue. Wait til it's gone and then complain. I would love for the NHS to be gone and replaced with a REAL insurance system instead of national insurance. (So long as we had controls in place to prevent inflation of costs). NHS is pure crap and I there have been multiple times where I’ve had to pay to privately get things looked at over the last 3 years. So I’d gladly scrap the NHS. It saves me paying for a service that doesn’t work. What about those who can’t afford insurance? Such as? Most people pay national insurance already. Do you actually think NI funds the NHS? National Insurance funds the following: 1 N.H.S. 2 State Pensions 3 Unemployment Benefit 4 Sickness & Disability Allowances 5 Bereavement Benefits" 20% of NHS funding comes from NI contributions. Theres no way they could cover the full cost. | |||
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"Anyone have any thoughts about going to a local NHS hospital nowadays? I think it's a big sister experiment: After a visit 1.30pm to 9pm. yesterday. I honestly think they are there, to keep you there, as long as possible. To get as much money in their car parking meters, which incidently none worked, as possible. Before watching with glee, as they watch you from behind perspex. - They are probably running a tote as to how long before someone will crack- as you walk out. Nothing has changed basically, in the last 25 years. Argos/McDonalds has got a better way of taking your money and shoving you out the door. Maybe that's it. Taking your money because technically they're not. However, the government is, with NI contributions. Apologies about the rant. But yesterday was not a fun day, and I wasn't even the patient. "As somebody who works in A&E and has done for the past 13 years I can say yes you’re absolutely correct. I mean, we’re there for 12 hours everyday so why wouldn’t we make patients wait 12 hours too. It’s not like we are there to treat and care for people as quickly and as efficiently as we can and yes when we are dealing in resus with 5 cardiac arrests and 3 patients that are actively having strokes, car park charges are ALWAYS at the forefront of our minds. It’s what we discuss on our 2 minute drink break inbetween seeing patients. No one likes waiting, I get that, but just think about what kind of patients hospital staff are working with and count yourself lucky that you or whoever you were with wasn’t a priority, because if that was the case you wouldn’t be on here saying what you’ve said. You’d most probably be making horrible arrangements. P.S you could always go private | |||
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"Anyone have any thoughts about going to a local NHS hospital nowadays? I think it's a big sister experiment: After a visit 1.30pm to 9pm. yesterday. I honestly think they are there, to keep you there, as long as possible. To get as much money in their car parking meters, which incidently none worked, as possible. Before watching with glee, as they watch you from behind perspex. - They are probably running a tote as to how long before someone will crack- as you walk out. Nothing has changed basically, in the last 25 years. Argos/McDonalds has got a better way of taking your money and shoving you out the door. Maybe that's it. Taking your money because technically they're not. However, the government is, with NI contributions. Apologies about the rant. But yesterday was not a fun day, and I wasn't even the patient.
As somebody who works in A&E and has done for the past 13 years I can say yes you’re absolutely correct. I mean, we’re there for 12 hours everyday so why wouldn’t we make patients wait 12 hours too. It’s not like we are there to treat and care for people as quickly and as efficiently as we can and yes when we are dealing in resus with 5 cardiac arrests and 3 patients that are actively having strokes, car park charges are ALWAYS at the forefront of our minds. It’s what we discuss on our 2 minute drink break inbetween seeing patients. No one likes waiting, I get that, but just think about what kind of patients hospital staff are working with and count yourself lucky that you or whoever you were with wasn’t a priority, because if that was the case you wouldn’t be on here saying what you’ve said. You’d most probably be making horrible arrangements.
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"I went to AE because my foot swelled up and I struggled to walk. Got there at 9pm. About 10 or so people waiting. Was asked to take a seat an hour later got called in by a nurse to see what the problem was. Got given some pain killers and asked to sit down while a doctor came available to see me. I sat there from 9pm arrival time and got seen by a doctor at 9.30am. I was with him for less than 5 mins. Unbelievable what's going on surely they must have a grip on this by now. " Maybe if you had phoned NHS 24 for advice instead of going to A&E it would have saved you a long wait. Too many people just pop in to hospitals with minor issues these days which causes the delays for the folk who need urgent medical attention. | |||
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"Almost not worth it unless you want to wait for 12+ hours The NHS is on its knees" Because agreeing to fund an endlessly increasing list of things, with people living longer, means it will only get worse. The idea was sound when people essentially died by age 70. There was always a tipping point where the funding was so massive it would collapse. | |||
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"Almost not worth it unless you want to wait for 12+ hours The NHS is on its knees Because agreeing to fund an endlessly increasing list of things, with people living longer, means it will only get worse. The idea was sound when people essentially died by age 70. There was always a tipping point where the funding was so massive it would collapse." It is called investment of our taxes that has partly to blame. | |||
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"Anyone have any thoughts about going to a local NHS hospital nowadays? I think it's a big sister experiment: After a visit 1.30pm to 9pm. yesterday. I honestly think they are there, to keep you there, as long as possible. To get as much money in their car parking meters, which incidently none worked, as possible. Before watching with glee, as they watch you from behind perspex. - They are probably running a tote as to how long before someone will crack- as you walk out. Nothing has changed basically, in the last 25 years. Argos/McDonalds has got a better way of taking your money and shoving you out the door. Maybe that's it. Taking your money because technically they're not. However, the government is, with NI contributions. Apologies about the rant. But yesterday was not a fun day, and I wasn't even the patient. "This is an abhorrent ill informed and one of the most ignorant things we have ever read. | |||
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"Almost not worth it unless you want to wait for 12+ hours The NHS is on its knees Because agreeing to fund an endlessly increasing list of things, with people living longer, means it will only get worse. The idea was sound when people essentially died by age 70. There was always a tipping point where the funding was so massive it would collapse. It is called investment of our taxes that has partly to blame. " The bill for the NHS increases faster than the income from taxes | |||
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"Almost not worth it unless you want to wait for 12+ hours The NHS is on its knees" No its not its full and standing | |||
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"Kent hospital trust is in debt.. How can we allow hospitals to get this way is a question you ask the trust. " Pretty much all NHS Trusts are in debt, the cost of providing care is increasing at a greater rate than funding from the government. | |||
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"Almost not worth it unless you want to wait for 12+ hours The NHS is on its knees Because agreeing to fund an endlessly increasing list of things, with people living longer, means it will only get worse. The idea was sound when people essentially died by age 70. There was always a tipping point where the funding was so massive it would collapse." Hence the need for radical reform. But we aren't allowed to touch it or have a grown up conversation about it because it's perceived by some as something good that we must maintain exactly as it was 70 years ago at all costs. | |||
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"Almost not worth it unless you want to wait for 12+ hours The NHS is on its knees Because agreeing to fund an endlessly increasing list of things, with people living longer, means it will only get worse. The idea was sound when people essentially died by age 70. There was always a tipping point where the funding was so massive it would collapse. Hence the need for radical reform. But we aren't allowed to touch it or have a grown up conversation about it because it's perceived by some as something good that we must maintain exactly as it was 70 years ago at all costs. " Your reform being that of an Australian based Medicare system? | |||
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"Almost not worth it unless you want to wait for 12+ hours The NHS is on its knees Because agreeing to fund an endlessly increasing list of things, with people living longer, means it will only get worse. The idea was sound when people essentially died by age 70. There was always a tipping point where the funding was so massive it would collapse. Hence the need for radical reform. But we aren't allowed to touch it or have a grown up conversation about it because it's perceived by some as something good that we must maintain exactly as it was 70 years ago at all costs. Your reform being that of an Australian based Medicare system?" Let me throw that straight back. Are you of the opinion then that everything is fine with the nhs, the nations health and well being and that our hard earned taxes are being spent the best way they possibly could be? To provide excellent healthcare to the nation? To answer your question. I have no idea what an Australian medicare system is. But absolutely advocate reform and copying from those countries in the west who provide excellent health care. | |||
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"Almost not worth it unless you want to wait for 12+ hours The NHS is on its knees Because agreeing to fund an endlessly increasing list of things, with people living longer, means it will only get worse. The idea was sound when people essentially died by age 70. There was always a tipping point where the funding was so massive it would collapse. Hence the need for radical reform. But we aren't allowed to touch it or have a grown up conversation about it because it's perceived by some as something good that we must maintain exactly as it was 70 years ago at all costs. " The Nhs was set up when it was needed thing have got bad as there probably are more managers than nursing staff ? The way that medicine has evolved so that things you died of years ago can now be treated ! At a cost! People are living longer so needing more care ! At a cost ! The way as already stated that A&E isn’t being used as the last option but a quick way of getting a GP problem seen too ? What happened to walk-in centres ? As with many Government funded areas the way the prices paid are bumped up so much by companies making fortunes from us the tax payers !! And like many things that cause us tax payers to fund more (like the benefits system) no one will stand up and say enough and take the money and spend it wisely !! | |||
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"Anyone have any thoughts about going to a local NHS hospital nowadays? I think it's a big sister experiment: After a visit 1.30pm to 9pm. yesterday. I honestly think they are there, to keep you there, as long as possible. To get as much money in their car parking meters, which incidently none worked, as possible. Before watching with glee, as they watch you from behind perspex. - They are probably running a tote as to how long before someone will crack- as you walk out. Nothing has changed basically, in the last 25 years. Argos/McDonalds has got a better way of taking your money and shoving you out the door. Maybe that's it. Taking your money because technically they're not. However, the government is, with NI contributions. Apologies about the rant. But yesterday was not a fun day, and I wasn't even the patient. "You haven't heard of walk in centres? | |||
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"Anyone have any thoughts about going to a local NHS hospital nowadays? I think it's a big sister experiment: After a visit 1.30pm to 9pm. yesterday. I honestly think they are there, to keep you there, as long as possible. To get as much money in their car parking meters, which incidently none worked, as possible. Before watching with glee, as they watch you from behind perspex. - They are probably running a tote as to how long before someone will crack- as you walk out. Nothing has changed basically, in the last 25 years. Argos/McDonalds has got a better way of taking your money and shoving you out the door. Maybe that's it. Taking your money because technically they're not. However, the government is, with NI contributions. Apologies about the rant. But yesterday was not a fun day, and I wasn't even the patient. "Depends what you were there for. Would you rather it was first come first served? Or should people be triaged then prioritised? I’ve been to A&E twice in the last year and waited over 7 hours, but I wasn’t dying so it is what it is. I also spent six days in ICU last year and the care I got was nothing but first class. | |||
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"Anyone have any thoughts about going to a local NHS hospital nowadays? I think it's a big sister experiment: After a visit 1.30pm to 9pm. yesterday. I honestly think they are there, to keep you there, as long as possible. To get as much money in their car parking meters, which incidently none worked, as possible. Before watching with glee, as they watch you from behind perspex. - They are probably running a tote as to how long before someone will crack- as you walk out. Nothing has changed basically, in the last 25 years. Argos/McDonalds has got a better way of taking your money and shoving you out the door. Maybe that's it. Taking your money because technically they're not. However, the government is, with NI contributions. Apologies about the rant. But yesterday was not a fun day, and I wasn't even the patient.
Depends what you were there for. Would you rather it was first come first served? Or should people be triaged then prioritised?
I’ve been to A&E twice in the last year and waited over 7 hours, but I wasn’t dying so it is what it is.
I also spent six days in ICU last year and the care I got was nothing but first class."That's good. But... Not wishing to sound in gracious. Shouldn't everyone have those experiences? | |||
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"Anyone have any thoughts about going to a local NHS hospital nowadays? I think it's a big sister experiment: After a visit 1.30pm to 9pm. yesterday. I honestly think they are there, to keep you there, as long as possible. To get as much money in their car parking meters, which incidently none worked, as possible. Before watching with glee, as they watch you from behind perspex. - They are probably running a tote as to how long before someone will crack- as you walk out. Nothing has changed basically, in the last 25 years. Argos/McDonalds has got a better way of taking your money and shoving you out the door. Maybe that's it. Taking your money because technically they're not. However, the government is, with NI contributions. Apologies about the rant. But yesterday was not a fun day, and I wasn't even the patient.
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"Anyone have any thoughts about going to a local NHS hospital nowadays? I think it's a big sister experiment: After a visit 1.30pm to 9pm. yesterday. I honestly think they are there, to keep you there, as long as possible. To get as much money in their car parking meters, which incidently none worked, as possible. Before watching with glee, as they watch you from behind perspex. - They are probably running a tote as to how long before someone will crack- as you walk out. Nothing has changed basically, in the last 25 years. Argos/McDonalds has got a better way of taking your money and shoving you out the door. Maybe that's it. Taking your money because technically they're not. However, the government is, with NI contributions. Apologies about the rant. But yesterday was not a fun day, and I wasn't even the patient.
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No. Where are walk in centres and how do they work with a and e? "Walk in centres have been renamed but are basically there to triage people so that someone who needs A&E care can get sent there but they treat the mundane things that people used to use GP’s for ?? | |||
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"Almost not worth it unless you want to wait for 12+ hours The NHS is on its knees Because agreeing to fund an endlessly increasing list of things, with people living longer, means it will only get worse. The idea was sound when people essentially died by age 70. There was always a tipping point where the funding was so massive it would collapse. Hence the need for radical reform. But we aren't allowed to touch it or have a grown up conversation about it because it's perceived by some as something good that we must maintain exactly as it was 70 years ago at all costs. Your reform being that of an Australian based Medicare system? Let me throw that straight back. Are you of the opinion then that everything is fine with the nhs, the nations health and well being and that our hard earned taxes are being spent the best way they possibly could be? To provide excellent healthcare to the nation? To answer your question. I have no idea what an Australian medicare system is. But absolutely advocate reform and copying from those countries in the west who provide excellent health care. " The services and outcomes up until 13 years ago were envied by majority of these western world. Australia run an insurance based top up healthcare with constrictions based on your earnings, the more you earn the more you pay for treatment. Having used American healthcare services, I believe anyone who think the NHS isn’t fit for purpose or we would he better of without it is severely deluded past the point of persuasion. It needs investment in both staff and infrastructure. The root cause of the issue governmental miss management. Let’s see where we are after 3 terms of a labour government. | |||
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"Anyone have any thoughts about going to a local NHS hospital nowadays? I think it's a big sister experiment: After a visit 1.30pm to 9pm. yesterday. I honestly think they are there, to keep you there, as long as possible. To get as much money in their car parking meters, which incidently none worked, as possible. Before watching with glee, as they watch you from behind perspex. - They are probably running a tote as to how long before someone will crack- as you walk out. Nothing has changed basically, in the last 25 years. Argos/McDonalds has got a better way of taking your money and shoving you out the door. Maybe that's it. Taking your money because technically they're not. However, the government is, with NI contributions. Apologies about the rant. But yesterday was not a fun day, and I wasn't even the patient.
As somebody who works in A&E and has done for the past 13 years I can say yes you’re absolutely correct. I mean, we’re there for 12 hours everyday so why wouldn’t we make patients wait 12 hours too. It’s not like we are there to treat and care for people as quickly and as efficiently as we can and yes when we are dealing in resus with 5 cardiac arrests and 3 patients that are actively having strokes, car park charges are ALWAYS at the forefront of our minds. It’s what we discuss on our 2 minute drink break inbetween seeing patients. No one likes waiting, I get that, but just think about what kind of patients hospital staff are working with and count yourself lucky that you or whoever you were with wasn’t a priority, because if that was the case you wouldn’t be on here saying what you’ve said. You’d most probably be making horrible arrangements.
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"7 & a half hours is nothing. And we’re going into flu & norovirus season. Our NHS is grossly underfunded & sometime mis-managed. They are understaffed due to Brexit. Also often people go to A&E when they could use another service such as 111 or a pharmacist. Be grateful for the service we have. My friend in USA has just had a hysterectomy & it would have cost £35k without insurance. In Guernsey a smear test can cost over £200. J x" Very much this, our NHS is struggling but also badly managed and the public don’t use it properly either. It’s still way better than a lot of countries. | |||
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"Sometimes I just can't be bothered to argue. Wait til it's gone and then complain. I would love for the NHS to be gone and replaced with a REAL insurance system instead of national insurance. (So long as we had controls in place to prevent inflation of costs). NHS is pure crap and I there have been multiple times where I’ve had to pay to privately get things looked at over the last 3 years. So I’d gladly scrap the NHS. It saves me paying for a service that doesn’t work. If you are talking about an American-style insurance system, I hope that never comes about. The America has the most expensive health care system in the world and often doesn't work with a quality you should expect for what you pay. People go bankrupt over medical bills they can't pay. Prescription drugs cost a fortune. If you can't pay for health care then the system just tells you to fuck off and die. It's a terrible system that most Americans in surveys want to change. I hope it never comes here. It would be a disaster. That's why no other country takes up the American model. " Not only that but how will it work for those who already have conditions etc. Private health insurance does not cover that. It's ok if everyone got insurance as soon as were born ( perhaps even before in case born with issues already). We need to fund it and run it better for sure but on the same principle of being available to all. | |||
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"For those who think we should learn from other health care systems to run the NHS better. From the Health Foundation report into health funding: Key points This analysis examines how health care spending in the UK compares with EU countries in the decade preceding the pandemic. Taking a longer term view enables us to see how trends in spending may have impacted health care resilience today. Average day-to-day health spending in the UK between 2010 and 2019 was £3,005 per person – 18% below the EU14 average of £3,655. If UK spending per person had matched the EU14 average, then the UK would have spent an average of £227bn a year on health between 2010 and 2019 – £40bn higher than actual average annual spending during this period (£187bn). Matching spending per head to France or Germany would have led to an additional £40bn and £73bn (21% to 39% increase respectively) of total health spending each year in the UK. Over the past decade, the UK had a lower level of capital investment in health care compared with the EU14 countries for which data are available. Between 2010 and 2019, average health capital investment in the UK was £5.8bn a year. If the UK had matched other EU14 countries’ average investment in health capital (as a share of GDP), the UK would have invested £33bn more between 2010 and 2019 (around 55% higher than actual investment during that period). The main takeaway seems to be fund it properly. Also, the percentage of NHS staff who are classed as managers (including clinicians in managerial roles) is approximately 3%. The percentage of staff in the private sector who are managers is around 10%." Lots of selected figures. All I know and experience is that some other countries provide better health care and our nhs... Which was once good across the board. Is bang average at best now. Despite all the money thrown at it. Now... One of your figures talks about how much health care costs in other countries. And yet at the same time argue to increase spending on our nhs. Yes good services cost money. The delusion that the nhs is free and that big brother has a magic money tree that they can choose to spend is what causes much of the trouble with the nhs. The fact people are ideologically welded to the nhs as it was 70 years ago is the thing which holds it back. Other countries don't have such emotion. They just accept that if you want quality you have to pay for it. It's strange how so many people don't want change they just want more money. | |||
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"There are significant problems with the NHS, and the quality of the service you receive can vary greatly from Trust to Trust, and even the day of the week and the time you get there. All Trusts suffer from a lack of realistic workforce planning, because it is still inconvenient to mention population growth, and top-down, inflexible management that often proves to be the roadblock in implementing new and streamlined services. However, none of this can distract from the basic fact that the NHS is an unqualified good, and most of the staff you meet when you walk through the door are facing enormous pressures. Like most things that are taken for granted, you cannot fully appreciate how important and essential it is until it is gone. I think that just about says it all. I can't imagine having to think whether I could afford to seek medical help or worry about calling an ambulance. If I had to take out private medical insurance at my age I dread to think how much it would cost " I am uninsurable and would be dead if I relied on private insurance etc. No two ways about it. The NHS IS riddled with massive problems, that's evident, but moving to a system that isn't free at point of access will simply condemn many people to death or serious ill health. I'm disabled, I work FT but I am not insurable without excluding anything pre existing or that could be connected to a pre existing condition. Basically uninsurable because unless I continue to be seen about pre existing stuff/stuff arising from it, I'm a goner. I can't get life insurance or critical illness cover either. | |||
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"Anyone have any thoughts about going to a local NHS hospital nowadays? I think it's a big sister experiment: After a visit 1.30pm to 9pm. yesterday. I honestly think they are there, to keep you there, as long as possible. To get as much money in their car parking meters, which incidently none worked, as possible. Before watching with glee, as they watch you from behind perspex. - They are probably running a tote as to how long before someone will crack- as you walk out. Nothing has changed basically, in the last 25 years. Argos/McDonalds has got a better way of taking your money and shoving you out the door. Maybe that's it. Taking your money because technically they're not. However, the government is, with NI contributions. Apologies about the rant. But yesterday was not a fun day, and I wasn't even the patient.
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Walk in centres have been renamed but are basically there to triage people so that someone who needs A&E care can get sent there but they treat the mundane things that people used to use GP’s for ?? "Walk in centres have closed completely in many areas. Bolton Metropolitan Borough doesn't have one anymore and that is the biggest town in the UK (population wise). The nearest "walk in" centres are in Leigh or Chorley. Anything else requires you to navigate through the out of hours phone service or 111, all of which have huge waits for call backs. | |||
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