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"Everyone slags them of They are the first we run to when something god wrong This weekend my brother went missing in Blackpool He has learning difficulties They were there 10min after my phone call at my feet They found him an hour later He was found in hospital he had a heart attack gone into cardiac artest and had an heart opp all in one evening He on the meand now THANK GOD I cant thank them enough I for one wont be slagging them off anymore" Glad he's ok. But the last part of your post. Anymore?? Was you in the habit of regularly slagging them off then? | |||
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"Finally something i have great knowledge of lol I dont even hate them but you need to understand that for some of us black boys, they target us and we grow to hate its as simple as that. " I hear you. I have over the years been subjected to verbal abuse physical assault and assumptions about me and my motivations based purely and the clothes that I was wearing. Discrimination tastes like shit doesn't it? | |||
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"Everyone slags them of They are the first we run to when something god wrong This weekend my brother went missing in Blackpool He has learning difficulties They were there 10min after my phone call at my feet They found him an hour later He was found in hospital he had a heart attack gone into cardiac artest and had an heart opp all in one evening He on the meand now THANK GOD I cant thank them enough I for one wont be slagging them off anymore" I'm so happy that you're brother is doing much better 
To be honest, where I'm from (South London originally) we genuinely never called the police even once if there was trouble. We would usually just sort it out ourselves or one of the local residents would call them. They weren't too bothered about helping us anyway. | |||
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"Thank goodness your brother is ok and thank goodness for the police Like every institution in this country the police force has covered up racism, misogyny, homophobia and corruption for years. It doesn't mean every police officer is bad or corrupt but it does mean that now it's becoming widely known people don't know which individual they can trust I have reason to be grateful to the police but I'm also aware that there needs to be a radical change to attitudes within the force " I wonder how many times you have been arrested which would explain your attitudes | |||
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"Thank goodness your brother is ok and thank goodness for the police Like every institution in this country the police force has covered up racism, misogyny, homophobia and corruption for years. It doesn't mean every police officer is bad or corrupt but it does mean that now it's becoming widely known people don't know which individual they can trust I have reason to be grateful to the police but I'm also aware that there needs to be a radical change to attitudes within the force I wonder how many times you have been arrested which would explain your attitudes" That's really no ones business though is it? | |||
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"I feel we are the pawns in the game, lack of funding means chief constables have cut us loose on many investigations but won't say so. The government boasting about being back to 2010 numbers means nothing as we have a 15% population increase & so many of those immigrants are causing issues with drug gangs etc so we need a 15% / 20% increase in Police. If you are insured the Police step back but insurance is going through the roof so we are directly paying for the government s failing......... again. Pleased they found your family member though. " Not solely an immigrant issue though is it? It’s the cuts to the Police & May told them to “stop crying wolf”. On top of that, cuts to local services, youth projects and centres, support services etc have all added to this mess. Also, lots of Police are leaving for private sector jobs because the pay is better, with less stress, and a steady routine. | |||
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"Thank goodness your brother is ok and thank goodness for the police Like every institution in this country the police force has covered up racism, misogyny, homophobia and corruption for years. It doesn't mean every police officer is bad or corrupt but it does mean that now it's becoming widely known people don't know which individual they can trust I have reason to be grateful to the police but I'm also aware that there needs to be a radical change to attitudes within the force I wonder how many times you have been arrested which would explain your attitudes" That's an interesting question, what in my answer makes you think I've been arrested? | |||
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"so many of those immigrants are causing issues with drug gangs etc so we need a 15% / 20% increase in Police." Where do you get your information from? Is it proper statistics from a reasonable source or are you relying on GB TV and the Daily Mail? Gbat | |||
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"I feel we are the pawns in the game, lack of funding means chief constables have cut us loose on many investigations but won't say so. The government boasting about being back to 2010 numbers means nothing as we have a 15% population increase & so many of those immigrants are causing issues with drug gangs etc so we need a 15% / 20% increase in Police. If you are insured the Police step back but insurance is going through the roof so we are directly paying for the government s failing......... again. Pleased they found your family member though. Not solely an immigrant issue though is it? It’s the cuts to the Police & May told them to “stop crying wolf”. On top of that, cuts to local services, youth projects and centres, support services etc have all added to this mess. Also, lots of Police are leaving for private sector jobs because the pay is better, with less stress, and a steady routine. " Never said it was purely an immigrant issue but dictates how many more Police we need as a fair few immigrantsare desperateand the trip here as made them lawless. | |||
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"Thank goodness your brother is ok and thank goodness for the police Like every institution in this country the police force has covered up racism, misogyny, homophobia and corruption for years. It doesn't mean every police officer is bad or corrupt but it does mean that now it's becoming widely known people don't know which individual they can trust I have reason to be grateful to the police but I'm also aware that there needs to be a radical change to attitudes within the force I wonder how many times you have been arrested which would explain your attitudes" None of the thread you've so casually responded to is false, recent history has shown (which some sections of society have known for years) that there are within the profession some proper wrong uns.. The vast majority do as good a job as they can within the current situation of huge staff cutbacks this last 13 years.. Unless of course your ok with serving police officers r#ping and murdering women yours is a strange comment? | |||
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"Bleeding heart attack incoming. BBC recently ran a report on Albanian drug gangs forcing out drug gangs across the UK. Albanians are immigrants if you didn't notice, secondly read your local press court reports & at least 30% on average are not British names. I can't help soften this for you. " World that mean the other 70% might be British? | |||
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"Bleeding heart attack incoming. BBC recently ran a report on Albanian drug gangs forcing out drug gangs across the UK. Albanians are immigrants if you didn't notice, secondly read your local press court reports & at least 30% on average are not British names. I can't help soften this for you. " Oh dear, most people who know me wouldn't think of me as a bleeding heart. If Albanians are forcing out local drug gangs, then it's just a change of ownership rather than an increase in drug crime. Perhaps that's a legitimate use of that often trotted out phrase "Coming here nicking all our jobs!" There's no such thing as a British name. There are families that have lived here for several generations that have names from other languages. Even using your skewed methodology that means that 70% are indigenous criminals. That must give the victims such a sense of peace. I can't help soften this for you, but those "Johnny foreigner" sounding people aren't necessarily immigrants and might have a family history in the UK that's longer than yours. Gbat | |||
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"Bleeding heart attack incoming. BBC recently ran a report on Albanian drug gangs forcing out drug gangs across the UK. Albanians are immigrants if you didn't notice, secondly read your local press court reports & at least 30% on average are not British names. I can't help soften this for you. World that mean the other 70% might be British?" I don't have a British sounding name I'm not coming out of this well am I?  | |||
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"Bleeding heart attack incoming. BBC recently ran a report on Albanian drug gangs forcing out drug gangs across the UK. Albanians are immigrants if you didn't notice, secondly read your local press court reports & at least 30% on average are not British names. I can't help soften this for you. World that mean the other 70% might be British? I don't have a British sounding name I'm not coming out of this well am I? "
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"Bleeding heart attack incoming. at least 30% on average are not British names. " So the vast majority are British* names. *whatever they are | |||
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"FTP Explain Usually means "fuck the police"" I know. I just wondered the poster's explanation fo such an enlightened contribution. | |||
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"Most of their detractors couldn’t even manage a 100mtrs in their shoes never mind walking a mile. Just imagine the sheer dross and scum they deal with on a daily basis, threats of constant violence and verbals simply for doing a job the whole of society benefits from, social media driven edited videos have a lot to answer for…!" That doesn't mean a blind eye should be turned to the bad stuff though. | |||
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"Most of their detractors couldn’t even manage a 100mtrs in their shoes never mind walking a mile. Just imagine the sheer dross and scum they deal with on a daily basis, threats of constant violence and verbals simply for doing a job the whole of society benefits from, social media driven edited videos have a lot to answer for…! That doesn't mean a blind eye should be turned to the bad stuff though. " This is very true And very fair. | |||
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"Most of their detractors couldn’t even manage a 100mtrs in their shoes never mind walking a mile. Just imagine the sheer dross and scum they deal with on a daily basis, threats of constant violence and verbals simply for doing a job the whole of society benefits from, social media driven edited videos have a lot to answer for…! That doesn't mean a blind eye should be turned to the bad stuff though. " Fir me the bad stuff, as bad policing is but only a tiny fraction, barely registering compared to the mountain of sheer chaos they deal with, very similar to any other public or private body yet the spotlight is drawn to any poor practice and persistently manipulated There are very few industries or roles that can compare in any way to what they do, I think they get a pretty hard press generally | |||
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"You can absolutely support the police. But in doing so you must hold them to account when they fuck up, and sadly they’ve fucked up a lot lately, especially the Met. Proper support means criticising when it’s required or calling them out when the standards fall. " Firstly OP - so glad your loved one was found safely and was being cared for. Now I totally agree that people should be called out when standards fall. But people are swift to criticise and sloth like to praise. There is a comment in an earlier post that the police and hospital staff did their job. But does that not perhaps belittle the members of our community who work in the public sector? Which of us would HONESTLY run towards danger whilst others run away. Knock on somebody’s door to tell them that their loved one wouldn’t be coming home. Go into homes to do their jobs trying to protect people and come out covered in flea or bug bites. Be spat at and physically attacked. Deal with carnage and death at accidents (Police). Go into burning buildings to try to save people and their treasured belongings and pets. Go to accidents trying to cut people out of their vehicles either so paramedics can try to save their lives. Go into “recovery phase” where they have to go into a building and initiate the recovery of burnt bodies. (Fire and Rescue service). Save people’s lives, stabilising them until they can get them to a hospital. Comfort people when, despite their best efforts, they have been unable to save a loved one. Be attacked by people who, of their own choice, have taken recreational drugs to the point that it is life threatening and who they are trying to help (Ambulance service). Have to be medics/counsellors/shoulders to cry on/wipe strangers arses/be thrown up and urinated on/be attacked/put themselves at risk of catching communicable diseases or viruses I.e. Covid/ have to live separately from their own families so that they can treat/help strangers i.e Covid, work often in excess of 24 hour shifts where if they are lucky they might grab a bit of sleep in a chair in a rest room or on a cot in a broom cupboard (NHS front line staff). Yes - there are expectations that professionals will “do their job”. But to say “they were doing their job” about some professions belittles the service they provide and the sacrifices that the people in those roles provide. Are all our systems perfect - no. Are all the people working in those roles perfect - no. But they are people - they have human frailties and feelings. They are often as let down by the system as we can feel let down by those public services. But whereas a lot of us can publicly complain, or go on strike etc - they have to “keep calm and carry on”. Police officers are not allowed by law to strike. It’s not a “oh we don’t feel we could” - they actually aren’t allowed to. So when other industries which serve the public (train drivers for example) go on strike to get a “living wage”, police officers, many of whom in the years of austerity had to resort to food banks to eat, can’t do that. So perhaps we should try to not roll out the hackneyed “they were doing their job” response. Unless we too would be willing to do what they do. I for one am grateful for the service they provide - our system and pub,if organisations aren’t perfect - but they are a damned sight better than other countries, and indeed a damned site better than they were in this country historically. Oh by the way this is Fire - I’m NOT the one with the hot body and the insatiable appetite for cock 
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"Thank goodness your brother is ok and thank goodness for the police Like every institution in this country the police force has covered up racism, misogyny, homophobia and corruption for years. It doesn't mean every police officer is bad or corrupt but it does mean that now it's becoming widely known people don't know which individual they can trust I have reason to be grateful to the police but I'm also aware that there needs to be a radical change to attitudes within the force " I echo this. | |||
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"FTP " Does that mean it can go on record that if you need the assistance of the police you will not ever be seeking their assistance and give full and unequivocal permission for them not to do anything when you need their help, and that you won’t complain when that assistance is withheld ?  | |||
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"I “slag them off” when they, or an individual within the service has done something to be worthy of it. To suggest you’ll never criticise the police again because of this experience is a bit of a stretch. You wouldn’t “slag off” the next copper that kills an innocent? You won’t “slag off” the force that misses something vital that could have prevented a serious incident? " I believe I salute those emergency services when they respect us. I to feel, the service they give goes to rack and ruin when they are caught red handed for crime whilst serving to protect us. Not every officer has this mentality. I try to build bridges between police and those I serve to protect in my job. A lot of stigma still exists and yes, many bad eggs in all walks of life. Op | |||
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"Hilarious, some foreign named people are British. Is that the majority, of course not but if it allows people to yet again deflect the truth it's worth doing. " In your personal, and no doubt broad experience of both policing the wider legal system? " You critics come from the transgender defenders who always mention the miniscule amount of hermaphrodite when people rightly state you are male or female. " Whole different debate, and hence irrelevant " I'm not in agreement, a bigger percentage of immigrants are criminals compared to the settled community & in fact as illegal immigrants they likely all are. Clue us in the illegal bit. " Again, based on you long experience and expertise on the subject? | |||
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"Hilarious, some foreign named people are British. Is that the majority, of course not but if it allows people to yet again deflect the truth it's worth doing. " I'm struggling to make this any easier for you. There's no such thing as a British name. British people come in all shapes, sizes and ethnicity. "You critics come from the transgender defenders who always mention the miniscule amount of hermaphrodite when people rightly state you are male or female. " What are you talking about? How can this be connected to this thread? "I'm not in agreement, a bigger percentage of immigrants are criminals compared to the settled community. " I've asked you why you say this. Can you explain? What data are you relying on? Just because you don't agree, doesn't make it a fact or otherwise. You can't just make up a fact. "in fact as illegal immigrants they likely all are. Clue us in the illegal bit. " You do know that most immigrants are legal don't you? Are you mixing up immigrants with asylum seekers? I know it's tough for some people to understand, but there is in fact quite a big difference and the terms are not interchangeable. Clue is in different words. Gbat | |||
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"Thank goodness your brother is ok and thank goodness for the police Like every institution in this country the police force has covered up racism, misogyny, homophobia and corruption for years. It doesn't mean every police officer is bad or corrupt but it does mean that now it's becoming widely known people don't know which individual they can trust I have reason to be grateful to the police but I'm also aware that there needs to be a radical change to attitudes within the force " Attitudes and actions. | |||
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"Hilarious, some foreign named people are British. Is that the majority, of course not but if it allows people to yet again deflect the truth it's worth doing. You critics come from the transgender defenders who always mention the miniscule amount of hermaphrodite when people rightly state you are male or female. I'm not in agreement, a bigger percentage of immigrants are criminals compared to the settled community & in fact as illegal immigrants they likely all are. Clue us in the illegal bit. " Wow just Wow!   | |||
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"Thank goodness your brother is ok and thank goodness for the police Like every institution in this country the police force has covered up racism, misogyny, homophobia and corruption for years. It doesn't mean every police officer is bad or corrupt but it does mean that now it's becoming widely known people don't know which individual they can trust I have reason to be grateful to the police but I'm also aware that there needs to be a radical change to attitudes within the force I wonder how many times you have been arrested which would explain your attitudes That's really no ones business though is it? " As an explanation not certain attitudes then yes it is peoples business | |||
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"FTP Explain Usually means "fuck the police" I know. I just wondered the poster's explanation fo such an enlightened contribution. " I dont need to explain thanks … | |||
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"Like it or not, even the police haters would be absolutely fucked as a whole without the police. Your lives would be much worse off. That's not to say they are infallible or without fault, but never forget if they were not there as a deterent at the very least so many "good law abiding" people would either have to resort to crime themselves and become the scum they claim they aren't and the scum they hate to survive. " You’re not very good at being a Scouser. | |||
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"Hilarious, some foreign named people are British. Is that the majority, of course not but if it allows people to yet again deflect the truth it's worth doing. You critics come from the transgender defenders who always mention the miniscule amount of hermaphrodite when people rightly state you are male or female. I'm not in agreement, a bigger percentage of immigrants are criminals compared to the settled community & in fact as illegal immigrants they likely all are. Clue us in the illegal bit. " . Trans debate, when you actual see it on Fab, covers all kind of ground (especially if I can help it)! Nice stab at generalising 'wokeness' though - a concept that is typically more about the fear and irrationality of those who use (or reference) it than anything meaningful in particular imo. And so what if a bigger percentage of illegal immigrants are criminals? If it's true it's going in part to be because the smaller the comparative number of this kind of thing compared to a huge number, the bigger will be the small-number percent. Britain is simply made of immigrants of all kinds, and to me you said so-much with your (accidentally?) kinder "compared to the settled community"! pt | |||
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"I “slag them off” when they, or an individual within the service has done something to be worthy of it. To suggest you’ll never criticise the police again because of this experience is a bit of a stretch. You wouldn’t “slag off” the next copper that kills an innocent? You won’t “slag off” the force that misses something vital that could have prevented a serious incident? " Agreed! I’ve met some complete fuckwits who were totally useless and who were obviously on the force due to control complex and others who were absolutely amazing and when beyond expectations. I suppose a reflection of what goes on in most walks of life. | |||
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"Finally something i have great knowledge of lol I dont even hate them but you need to understand that for some of us black boys, they target us and we grow to hate its as simple as that. " And black women/girls  | |||
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"Thank goodness your brother is ok and thank goodness for the police Like every institution in this country the police force has covered up racism, misogyny, homophobia and corruption for years. It doesn't mean every police officer is bad or corrupt but it does mean that now it's becoming widely known people don't know which individual they can trust I have reason to be grateful to the police but I'm also aware that there needs to be a radical change to attitudes within the force I wonder how many times you have been arrested which would explain your attitudes" I have the same attitude and I've never been arrested or in trouble with the police, so what now? | |||
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"Like it or not, even the police haters would be absolutely fucked as a whole without the police. Your lives would be much worse off. That's not to say they are infallible or without fault, but never forget if they were not there as a deterent at the very least so many "good law abiding" people would either have to resort to crime themselves and become the scum they claim they aren't and the scum they hate to survive. You’re not very good at being a Scouser." Olivia Pratt-Korbel Rhys Jones James Bulger Only 3 names but very prominent names, shit like this would be a much more common occurrence, and the list of names much longer. Violent crimes regardless of victim would be at an exponential rate. There is corruption everywhere, foolish to think it would not be in the police force. It's a human trait, one that we are all vulnerable to. But there are some amazing and dedicated people on the police force too, people that care and do whatever they can for the benefit of people, even those that give them zero thanks or credit for a job that comes with far bigger stresses than most. Unfortunately specific laws and rules have their hands tied a lot of the time. And some are just useless. Like any other potential person in any other job. I've been helped greatly by the police, I've been let down by the police, and I know some members of the police very well. | |||
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"Like it or not, even the police haters would be absolutely fucked as a whole without the police. Your lives would be much worse off. That's not to say they are infallible or without fault, but never forget if they were not there as a deterent at the very least so many "good law abiding" people would either have to resort to crime themselves and become the scum they claim they aren't and the scum they hate to survive. " I found that to be a strongly presented opinion. It certainly caught my attention. I am not sure many people are 'hating' the police as a concept. I imagine most are criticising the execution of their role. We are governed by consent? Therefore it seems not only a right, but a civic responsibility to ensure the integrity of the police meets the highest standards? I was discussing this with a friend, who is a police officer, recently. He was expressing his agreement with much of the criticism being voiced publicly and saying that his frustration is at the lack of funding they receive. I am not sure who you are labelling as scum. I think the issue may be one of a wider socioeconomic context. | |||
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"Like it or not, even the police haters would be absolutely fucked as a whole without the police. Your lives would be much worse off. That's not to say they are infallible or without fault, but never forget if they were not there as a deterent at the very least so many "good law abiding" people would either have to resort to crime themselves and become the scum they claim they aren't and the scum they hate to survive. I found that to be a strongly presented opinion. It certainly caught my attention. I am not sure many people are 'hating' the police as a concept. I imagine most are criticising the execution of their role. We are governed by consent? Therefore it seems not only a right, but a civic responsibility to ensure the integrity of the police meets the highest standards? I was discussing this with a friend, who is a police officer, recently. He was expressing his agreement with much of the criticism being voiced publicly and saying that his frustration is at the lack of funding they receive. I am not sure who you are labelling as scum. I think the issue may be one of a wider socioeconomic context. " Wasn't directed to any single person on the thread, but as a whole. There are police haters, even none criminals. The posted just above you just stated he hates the police though. As for scum, that's for whomever reads it and who they class as scum themselves. However in a world/land without law enforcement people would need to become violent to survive, lots of physical assault would be taking place. Extremes, I know but it's true, without the deterent of law and enforcement of it chaos would take over and anyone classing themselves as peaceful and "good" would have to change or not survive against those that will gladly cause harm. | |||
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" I was discussing this with a friend, who is a police officer, recently. He was expressing his agreement with much of the criticism being voiced publicly and saying that his frustration is at the lack of funding they receive. " Just wanted to pick out this. I agree about funding. But many criticisms of the police related to general decency. Being fair and impartial costs nothing. The racist or sexist or otherwise discriminatory officers would not cease to be so if they were paid more or if they had more general funding. Being not a racist or sexist etc. is completely independent of funding. It's just being a decent human. | |||
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"Like it or not, even the police haters would be absolutely fucked as a whole without the police. Your lives would be much worse off. That's not to say they are infallible or without fault, but never forget if they were not there as a deterent at the very least so many "good law abiding" people would either have to resort to crime themselves and become the scum they claim they aren't and the scum they hate to survive. You’re not very good at being a Scouser." Not very good at being a scouser?... You may want to elaborate on that but be careful what you say!. | |||
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"Like it or not, even the police haters would be absolutely fucked as a whole without the police. Your lives would be much worse off. That's not to say they are infallible or without fault, but never forget if they were not there as a deterent at the very least so many "good law abiding" people would either have to resort to crime themselves and become the scum they claim they aren't and the scum they hate to survive. I found that to be a strongly presented opinion. It certainly caught my attention. I am not sure many people are 'hating' the police as a concept. I imagine most are criticising the execution of their role. We are governed by consent? Therefore it seems not only a right, but a civic responsibility to ensure the integrity of the police meets the highest standards? I was discussing this with a friend, who is a police officer, recently. He was expressing his agreement with much of the criticism being voiced publicly and saying that his frustration is at the lack of funding they receive. I am not sure who you are labelling as scum. I think the issue may be one of a wider socioeconomic context. Wasn't directed to any single person on the thread, but as a whole. There are police haters, even none criminals. The posted just above you just stated he hates the police though. As for scum, that's for whomever reads it and who they class as scum themselves. However in a world/land without law enforcement people would need to become violent to survive, lots of physical assault would be taking place. Extremes, I know but it's true, without the deterent of law and enforcement of it chaos would take over and anyone classing themselves as peaceful and "good" would have to change or not survive against those that will gladly cause harm." There's absolutely no doubt we need the police, just as we need the fire service, the NHS, government etc but needing them doesn't mean we can't criticise, hold them to account or expect transparency as well as praise them | |||
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"Thank goodness your brother is ok and thank goodness for the police Like every institution in this country the police force has covered up racism, misogyny, homophobia and corruption for years. It doesn't mean every police officer is bad or corrupt but it does mean that now it's becoming widely known people don't know which individual they can trust I have reason to be grateful to the police but I'm also aware that there needs to be a radical change to attitudes within the force I wonder how many times you have been arrested which would explain your attitudes That's an interesting question, what in my answer makes you think I've been arrested? " I think they assume none. | |||
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"Thank goodness your brother is ok and thank goodness for the police Like every institution in this country the police force has covered up racism, misogyny, homophobia and corruption for years. It doesn't mean every police officer is bad or corrupt but it does mean that now it's becoming widely known people don't know which individual they can trust I have reason to be grateful to the police but I'm also aware that there needs to be a radical change to attitudes within the force I wonder how many times you have been arrested which would explain your attitudes That's an interesting question, what in my answer makes you think I've been arrested? I think they assume none." It's an ambiguous statement isn't it. Since it hasn't been clarified I don't know what they assume. | |||
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"Thank goodness your brother is ok and thank goodness for the police Like every institution in this country the police force has covered up racism, misogyny, homophobia and corruption for years. It doesn't mean every police officer is bad or corrupt but it does mean that now it's becoming widely known people don't know which individual they can trust I have reason to be grateful to the police but I'm also aware that there needs to be a radical change to attitudes within the force I wonder how many times you have been arrested which would explain your attitudes That's an interesting question, what in my answer makes you think I've been arrested? I think they assume none. It's an ambiguous statement isn't it. Since it hasn't been clarified I don't know what they assume." Always best to assume positive things | |||
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"Like it or not, even the police haters would be absolutely fucked as a whole without the police. Your lives would be much worse off. That's not to say they are infallible or without fault, but never forget if they were not there as a deterent at the very least so many "good law abiding" people would either have to resort to crime themselves and become the scum they claim they aren't and the scum they hate to survive. You’re not very good at being a Scouser. Not very good at being a scouser?... You may want to elaborate on that but be careful what you say!. " Friendly region banter with me is all, we get on well. | |||
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"FTP Explain Usually means "fuck the police" I must explain that that to my computer next time it is transferring files, otherwise it might go FUT but, as yet, I don't know what FUT means. Fuck U Tony? What's your name?" Ezekiel | |||
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"FTP Explain Usually means "fuck the police" I must explain that that to my computer next time it is transferring files, otherwise it might go FUT but, as yet, I don't know what FUT means. Fuck U Tony? What's your name? Ezekiel " Fuck you, Ezekiel! | |||
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"I slag the force off in general, when I think they have not handled something correctly. I don't slag off police officers, they are only doing a job. 90% of the time thier hands are tied." That’s probably where they are going wrong, aren’t they the ones supposed to be doing the cuffing | |||
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"Like it or not, even the police haters would be absolutely fucked as a whole without the police. Your lives would be much worse off. That's not to say they are infallible or without fault, but never forget if they were not there as a deterent at the very least so many "good law abiding" people would either have to resort to crime themselves and become the scum they claim they aren't and the scum they hate to survive. I found that to be a strongly presented opinion. It certainly caught my attention. I am not sure many people are 'hating' the police as a concept. I imagine most are criticising the execution of their role. We are governed by consent? Therefore it seems not only a right, but a civic responsibility to ensure the integrity of the police meets the highest standards? I was discussing this with a friend, who is a police officer, recently. He was expressing his agreement with much of the criticism being voiced publicly and saying that his frustration is at the lack of funding they receive. I am not sure who you are labelling as scum. I think the issue may be one of a wider socioeconomic context. Wasn't directed to any single person on the thread, but as a whole. There are police haters, even none criminals. The posted just above you just stated he hates the police though. As for scum, that's for whomever reads it and who they class as scum themselves. However in a world/land without law enforcement people would need to become violent to survive, lots of physical assault would be taking place. Extremes, I know but it's true, without the deterent of law and enforcement of it chaos would take over and anyone classing themselves as peaceful and "good" would have to change or not survive against those that will gladly cause harm." Apologies, I fell asleep. You were responding to that post, I see. Makes more sense to me now thank you. Although, my query was about people on the whole too. Hating is on the extreme end of the scale. Most are frustrated and perhaps rightly so? Law enforcement is a slight shift from the police. Historically, societies have needed law and some level of enforcement, but the police is relatively modern. The enforcement of law can only be as just as the law is itself? If the law upholds a state of affairs that serves the interests of some over others then attitudes toward that enforcement will vary, accordingly? If the police are enforcing laws which are unjust, which cause people to suffer - then that will lead to animosity? I think humans are tribal history shows that. And violence between tribes or groups is still going on now, on a global scale. When we categorise people as scum, it can promote that kind of hatred. | |||
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"Like it or not, even the police haters would be absolutely fucked as a whole without the police. Your lives would be much worse off. That's not to say they are infallible or without fault, but never forget if they were not there as a deterent at the very least so many "good law abiding" people would either have to resort to crime themselves and become the scum they claim they aren't and the scum they hate to survive. You’re not very good at being a Scouser. Not very good at being a scouser?... You may want to elaborate on that but be careful what you say!. Friendly region banter with me is all, we get on well. " I understand. Things can be misunderstood in text. I didn't mean to cause any issues. Peace and love all. | |||
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" There's absolutely no doubt we need the police, just as we need the fire service, the NHS, government etc but needing them doesn't mean we can't criticise, hold them to account or expect transparency as well as praise them" This is spot on. In my working life, I carry out joined up working with some really good officers. There is one PCSO who thinks he’s some kind of god but I guess there is always one in most teams in any job. I have personally though complained about an officer recently and his behaviour, which was taken seriously. They should be held to account like we all should, if we don’t behave acceptably. | |||
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"The police do not work for us, the people, they work for the government of the day and do their bidding. Police forces in England and Wales have lots of powers compared to previous decades, the information they can pull up on you at the touch of a button is utterly frightening. Officers break the law with impunity and let elite classes and well-off, connected people get away with all sorts. Yes, some dona fantastically good job and yes if I was in danger I wouldn't hesitate to call them - but that's only in the absence of anything better. The police are a weapon of the state and the sooner people realise they are at the centre of the UK's emergence as an authoritarian state, the more likely we are to not go down that route. Sadly, people are all too quick to put this kind of talk aside as deluded ramblings than face the uncomfortable scary, scary truth. Too easy to say 'it could never happen here' without looking at how countries fall under authoritarianism and noticing that the UK is following a tried a tested route into exactly the thing that could 'never happen here'. Don't trust the police. " Utter, utter tripe. In my experience | |||
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"The police do not work for us, the people, they work for the government of the day and do their bidding. Police forces in England and Wales have lots of powers compared to previous decades, the information they can pull up on you at the touch of a button is utterly frightening. Officers break the law with impunity and let elite classes and well-off, connected people get away with all sorts. Yes, some dona fantastically good job and yes if I was in danger I wouldn't hesitate to call them - but that's only in the absence of anything better. The police are a weapon of the state and the sooner people realise they are at the centre of the UK's emergence as an authoritarian state, the more likely we are to not go down that route. Sadly, people are all too quick to put this kind of talk aside as deluded ramblings than face the uncomfortable scary, scary truth. Too easy to say 'it could never happen here' without looking at how countries fall under authoritarianism and noticing that the UK is following a tried a tested route into exactly the thing that could 'never happen here'. Don't trust the police. Utter, utter tripe. In my experience " Why am I now picturing you in FMBs with a riding crop in your hand? | |||
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"The police do not work for us, the people, they work for the government of the day and do their bidding. Police forces in England and Wales have lots of powers compared to previous decades, the information they can pull up on you at the touch of a button is utterly frightening. Officers break the law with impunity and let elite classes and well-off, connected people get away with all sorts. Yes, some dona fantastically good job and yes if I was in danger I wouldn't hesitate to call them - but that's only in the absence of anything better. The police are a weapon of the state and the sooner people realise they are at the centre of the UK's emergence as an authoritarian state, the more likely we are to not go down that route. Sadly, people are all too quick to put this kind of talk aside as deluded ramblings than face the uncomfortable scary, scary truth. Too easy to say 'it could never happen here' without looking at how countries fall under authoritarianism and noticing that the UK is following a tried a tested route into exactly the thing that could 'never happen here'. Don't trust the police. Utter, utter tripe. In my experience Why am I now picturing you in FMBs with a riding crop in your hand?"  | |||
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"If people think uk police are bad they should travel , I’ve been rob*ed at gun point in an airport by police in two countries , uk police are like fluffy little kittens without decent weapons even " I 100% agree with this. All UK institutions have issues but, given a choice, I would prefer to have a UK government body looking after me than those from many many many other countries. That’s does not mean that we should not hold them to account - we clearly should - the fact that we can actually have this conversation about them tells you a lot about how fortunate we actually are. | |||
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"One of the women arrested at the Sarah Everard vigil has called for The Met to be disbanded. Everything within the M25 and a fair bit outside it would be a burning, lawless waste land within a week. Like it or not, police are necessary. And they are not the only job where people abuse their position. " , Nobody has said policing isn't needed!
The WHOLE issue with the MET is that they are not just run separately but also significantly-differently (their policy on racial profiling and prolific stop-and-searching is especially different to other UK police forces), and they are particularly shameless and corrupt - even with the eventual leadership changes in place.
I believe the MET should be replaced by a single UK police force too, and a great meany people would agree!!
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"The police do not work for us, the people, they work for the government of the day and do their bidding. Police forces in England and Wales have lots of powers compared to previous decades, the information they can pull up on you at the touch of a button is utterly frightening. Officers break the law with impunity and let elite classes and well-off, connected people get away with all sorts. Yes, some dona fantastically good job and yes if I was in danger I wouldn't hesitate to call them - but that's only in the absence of anything better. The police are a weapon of the state and the sooner people realise they are at the centre of the UK's emergence as an authoritarian state, the more likely we are to not go down that route. Sadly, people are all too quick to put this kind of talk aside as deluded ramblings than face the uncomfortable scary, scary truth. Too easy to say 'it could never happen here' without looking at how countries fall under authoritarianism and noticing that the UK is following a tried a tested route into exactly the thing that could 'never happen here'. Don't trust the police. " So will you be contacting the police and letting them know that if ever you need their assistance that you indemnify them from giving any assistance because obviously you wouldn’t trust them. Police officers do not let elite classes and well off get away with anything - just like they don’t “let people off” things like serious sexual assaults as they don’t charge a lot of offences - they investigate and the Crown Prosecution authorise and prosecute criminal cases. Police officers often prevent people being charged for things they haven’t done as they have a legal obligation to pursue anything which shows a person is innocent as well as guilty. And if I may be so bold - your profile name may be interpreted as being quite appropriate bearing in mind that the Wombles made use of “the everyday things that folk leave behind” ….such as rubbish - which it could be hypothesised is being done here - rubbish is being put to use ? | |||
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"One of the women arrested at the Sarah Everard vigil has called for The Met to be disbanded. Everything within the M25 and a fair bit outside it would be a burning, lawless waste land within a week. Like it or not, police are necessary. And they are not the only job where people abuse their position. , Nobody has said policing isn't needed!
The WHOLE issue with the MET is that they are not just run separately but also significantly-differently (their policy on racial profiling and prolific stop-and-searching is especially different to other UK police forces), and they are particularly shameless and corrupt - even with the eventual leadership changes in place.
I believe the MET should be replaced by a single UK police force too, and a great meany people would agree!!
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"One of the women arrested at the Sarah Everard vigil has called for The Met to be disbanded. Everything within the M25 and a fair bit outside it would be a burning, lawless waste land within a week. Like it or not, police are necessary. And they are not the only job where people abuse their position. , Nobody has said policing isn't needed!
The WHOLE issue with the MET is that they are not just run separately but also significantly-differently (their policy on racial profiling and prolific stop-and-searching is especially different to other UK police forces), and they are particularly shameless and corrupt - even with the eventual leadership changes in place.
I believe the MET should be replaced by a single UK police force too, and a great meany people would agree!!
pt "Sorry that would be totally impractical. The bureaucracy which already “handcuffs” the individual forces in England, Wales and Northern Island would be nothing by comparison to what there would be with a single national force. You could argue there has already been an experiment to that end with the National Crime Agency, which was introduced as the UK’ “FBI”, and that has not achieved as hoped. Any system involving people is imperfect, because people ARE imperfect. But too often judgement is made based on the “clothes” people wear. Personally I think if you want to identify some of the biggest criminals in the UK then you need to look no further than Parliament. After all - they make the laws, including the loopholes they sometimes step through to save them from being held to account. Or the “rights” of offenders which have to always be considered - even though the rights of victims of crime are often subjugated by the very system which is meant to be in place to bring to account those who break the law. | |||
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"One of the women arrested at the Sarah Everard vigil has called for The Met to be disbanded. Everything within the M25 and a fair bit outside it would be a burning, lawless waste land within a week. Like it or not, police are necessary. And they are not the only job where people abuse their position. , Nobody has said policing isn't needed!
The WHOLE issue with the MET is that they are not just run separately but also significantly-differently (their policy on racial profiling and prolific stop-and-searching is especially different to other UK police forces), and they are particularly shameless and corrupt - even with the eventual leadership changes in place.
I believe the MET should be replaced by a single UK police force too, and a great meany people would agree!!
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Sorry that would be totally impractical. The bureaucracy which already “handcuffs” the individual forces in England, Wales and Northern Island would be nothing by comparison to what there would be with a single national force. You could argue there has already been an experiment to that end with the National Crime Agency, which was introduced as the UK’ “FBI”, and that has not achieved as hoped.
Any system involving people is imperfect, because people ARE imperfect. But too often judgement is made based on the “clothes” people wear.
Personally I think if you want to identify some of the biggest criminals in the UK then you need to look no further than Parliament. After all - they make the laws, including the loopholes they sometimes step through to save them from being held to account.
Or the “rights” of offenders which have to always be considered - even though the rights of victims of crime are often subjugated by the very system which is meant to be in place to bring to account those who break the law.
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"It's only a small majority that is fit for purpose that follows the guidelines of training. Corruption has been going on for decades and will continue sadly it's so far right at the top running all the way down. Far too much gets covered up by the powers that be, it's only a job to me if they choose to go beyond must deal with the consequences... similar to any other profession" In your broad experience of British policing? | |||
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"It's only a small majority that is fit for purpose that follows the guidelines of training. Corruption has been going on for decades and will continue sadly it's so far right at the top running all the way down. Far too much gets covered up by the powers that be, it's only a job to me if they choose to go beyond must deal with the consequences... similar to any other profession In your broad experience of British policing? Knowledge "Is that knowledge based on a background in policing - or knowledge based on the “totally accurate and impartial” reporting in the media? Or knowledge gained from a bloke down the pub, who’s got a mate, who’s little sister used to go out with a cleaner at the police station who knows the truth”? | |||
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"It's only a small majority that is fit for purpose that follows the guidelines of training. Corruption has been going on for decades and will continue sadly it's so far right at the top running all the way down. Far too much gets covered up by the powers that be, it's only a job to me if they choose to go beyond must deal with the consequences... similar to any other profession In your broad experience of British policing? Knowledge "Of course | |||
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"It's only a small majority that is fit for purpose that follows the guidelines of training. Corruption has been going on for decades and will continue sadly it's so far right at the top running all the way down. Far too much gets covered up by the powers that be, it's only a job to me if they choose to go beyond must deal with the consequences... similar to any other profession In your broad experience of British policing? Knowledge
Is that knowledge based on a background in policing - or knowledge based on the “totally accurate and impartial” reporting in the media? Or knowledge gained from a bloke down the pub, who’s got a mate, who’s little sister used to go out with a cleaner at the police station who knows the truth”? "It's knowledge based on facts history speaks volumes, and still occurring no Karen or Tracy | |||
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"It's only a small majority that is fit for purpose that follows the guidelines of training. Corruption has been going on for decades and will continue sadly it's so far right at the top running all the way down. Far too much gets covered up by the powers that be, it's only a job to me if they choose to go beyond must deal with the consequences... similar to any other profession In your broad experience of British policing? Knowledge
Is that knowledge based on a background in policing - or knowledge based on the “totally accurate and impartial” reporting in the media? Or knowledge gained from a bloke down the pub, who’s got a mate, who’s little sister used to go out with a cleaner at the police station who knows the truth”?
It's knowledge based on facts history speaks volumes, and still occurring no Karen or Tracy "Ok so that answers the question of whether you have a background in policing - doesn’t really answer the question about the sources of your knowledge | |||
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"Everyone slags them of They are the first we run to when something god wrong This weekend my brother went missing in Blackpool He has learning difficulties They were there 10min after my phone call at my feet They found him an hour later He was found in hospital he had a heart attack gone into cardiac artest and had an heart opp all in one evening He on the meand now THANK GOD I cant thank them enough I for one wont be slagging them off anymore" Glad to hear you had a good experience. My friend was sexually a ssaulted and beaten to within an inch of her life. She rang the police the second she saw her ex - who had a restraining order to stay away - walking down her driveway. They arrived over an hour later. | |||
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"It's only a small majority that is fit for purpose that follows the guidelines of training. Corruption has been going on for decades and will continue sadly it's so far right at the top running all the way down. Far too much gets covered up by the powers that be, it's only a job to me if they choose to go beyond must deal with the consequences... similar to any other profession In your broad experience of British policing? Knowledge
Is that knowledge based on a background in policing - or knowledge based on the “totally accurate and impartial” reporting in the media? Or knowledge gained from a bloke down the pub, who’s got a mate, who’s little sister used to go out with a cleaner at the police station who knows the truth”?
It's knowledge based on facts history speaks volumes, and still occurring no Karen or Tracy
Ok so that answers the question of whether you have a background in policing - doesn’t really answer the question about the sources of your knowledge "Read the report by baroness Louise Casey and maybe watch her live. My facts are not just based upon her but a long time for someone to actually speak up how badly it really is and it's nationwide.... | |||
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Is that knowledge based on a background in policing - or knowledge based on the “totally accurate and impartial” reporting in the media? Or knowledge gained from a bloke down the pub, who’s got a mate, who’s little sister used to go out with a cleaner at the police station who knows the truth”?
It's knowledge based on facts history speaks volumes, and still occurring no Karen or Tracy
Ok so that answers the question of whether you have a background in policing - doesn’t really answer the question about the sources of your knowledge
Read the report by baroness Louise Casey and maybe watch her live. My facts are not just based upon her but a long time for someone to actually speak up how badly it really is and it's nationwide...."Nationwide, and top to bottom, yes? | |||
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Is that knowledge based on a background in policing - or knowledge based on the “totally accurate and impartial” reporting in the media? Or knowledge gained from a bloke down the pub, who’s got a mate, who’s little sister used to go out with a cleaner at the police station who knows the truth”?
It's knowledge based on facts history speaks volumes, and still occurring no Karen or Tracy
Ok so that answers the question of whether you have a background in policing - doesn’t really answer the question about the sources of your knowledge
Read the report by baroness Louise Casey and maybe watch her live. My facts are not just based upon her but a long time for someone to actually speak up how badly it really is and it's nationwide....
Nationwide, and top to bottom, yes? "Always, it's how they got to the top, protect those at the bottom. Recent events whilst 100 and 100 officers were under investigation for numerous sexual offences but we're cut down to 24 being convicted was highlighted the cover up | |||
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"It's only a small majority that is fit for purpose that follows the guidelines of training. Corruption has been going on for decades and will continue sadly it's so far right at the top running all the way down. Far too much gets covered up by the powers that be, it's only a job to me if they choose to go beyond must deal with the consequences... similar to any other profession In your broad experience of British policing? Knowledge
Is that knowledge based on a background in policing - or knowledge based on the “totally accurate and impartial” reporting in the media? Or knowledge gained from a bloke down the pub, who’s got a mate, who’s little sister used to go out with a cleaner at the police station who knows the truth”?
It's knowledge based on facts history speaks volumes, and still occurring no Karen or Tracy
Ok so that answers the question of whether you have a background in policing - doesn’t really answer the question about the sources of your knowledge
Read the report by baroness Louise Casey and maybe watch her live. My facts are not just based upon her but a long time for someone to actually speak up how badly it really is and it's nationwide....
Nationwide, and top to bottom, yes?
Always, it's how they got to the top, protect those at the bottom. Recent events whilst 100 and 100 officers were under investigation for numerous sexual offences but we're cut down to 24 being convicted was highlighted the cover up "That really interests me. You see I spent 25 years in the career that you are quite happily denigrating. So I'm now starting to question myself. Am I misogynistic, racist, sexist, homophobic, corrupt, and Criminal. Or is it just a selection of the above? You see I thought that I was motivated by a sense of Duty and service. I thought I was making sacrifices along the way. But it turns out that I wasn't. It turns out I was just a self serving and corrupt agent of the state and an enemy of the people. Imagine my disappointment to realise how deluded I was for 25 fucking years. Thank you so much for pointing it out to me. It's always nice to hear from an expert. | |||
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"It's only a small majority that is fit for purpose that follows the guidelines of training. Corruption has been going on for decades and will continue sadly it's so far right at the top running all the way down. Far too much gets covered up by the powers that be, it's only a job to me if they choose to go beyond must deal with the consequences... similar to any other profession In your broad experience of British policing? Knowledge
Is that knowledge based on a background in policing - or knowledge based on the “totally accurate and impartial” reporting in the media? Or knowledge gained from a bloke down the pub, who’s got a mate, who’s little sister used to go out with a cleaner at the police station who knows the truth”?
It's knowledge based on facts history speaks volumes, and still occurring no Karen or Tracy
Ok so that answers the question of whether you have a background in policing - doesn’t really answer the question about the sources of your knowledge
Read the report by baroness Louise Casey and maybe watch her live. My facts are not just based upon her but a long time for someone to actually speak up how badly it really is and it's nationwide....
Nationwide, and top to bottom, yes?
Always, it's how they got to the top, protect those at the bottom. Recent events whilst 100 and 100 officers were under investigation for numerous sexual offences but we're cut down to 24 being convicted was highlighted the cover up "Or alternatively (and perhaps I’m missing the bigger picture here) there was no evidence to support charges/conviction of the others? I may misunderstand the meaning of the word “investigation” but I didn’t think the etymology of the word was “guilty of doing/committing” (unless there’s a report by another Baroness which could educate me into the correct terminology ? And again I may have missed it but if the criminal justice system in this country is based on the premis of “innocent until proven guilty” then I’m hypothesising that you may be suggesting that it doesn’t apply to members of the police service ? | |||
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"It's only a small majority that is fit for purpose that follows the guidelines of training. Corruption has been going on for decades and will continue sadly it's so far right at the top running all the way down. Far too much gets covered up by the powers that be, it's only a job to me if they choose to go beyond must deal with the consequences... similar to any other profession In your broad experience of British policing? Knowledge
Is that knowledge based on a background in policing - or knowledge based on the “totally accurate and impartial” reporting in the media? Or knowledge gained from a bloke down the pub, who’s got a mate, who’s little sister used to go out with a cleaner at the police station who knows the truth”?
It's knowledge based on facts history speaks volumes, and still occurring no Karen or Tracy
Ok so that answers the question of whether you have a background in policing - doesn’t really answer the question about the sources of your knowledge
Read the report by baroness Louise Casey and maybe watch her live. My facts are not just based upon her but a long time for someone to actually speak up how badly it really is and it's nationwide....
Nationwide, and top to bottom, yes?
Always, it's how they got to the top, protect those at the bottom. Recent events whilst 100 and 100 officers were under investigation for numerous sexual offences but we're cut down to 24 being convicted was highlighted the cover up
That really interests me. You see I spent 25 years in the career that you are quite happily denigrating. So I'm now starting to question myself. Am I misogynistic, racist, sexist, homophobic, corrupt, and Criminal. Or is it just a selection of the above? You see I thought that I was motivated by a sense of Duty and service. I thought I was making sacrifices along the way. But it turns out that I wasn't. It turns out I was just a self serving and corrupt agent of the state and an enemy of the people. Imagine my disappointment to realise how deluded I was for 25 fucking years. Thank you so much for pointing it out to me. It's always nice to hear from an expert."  | |||
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"It's only a small majority that is fit for purpose that follows the guidelines of training. Corruption has been going on for decades and will continue sadly it's so far right at the top running all the way down. Far too much gets covered up by the powers that be, it's only a job to me if they choose to go beyond must deal with the consequences... similar to any other profession In your broad experience of British policing? Knowledge
Is that knowledge based on a background in policing - or knowledge based on the “totally accurate and impartial” reporting in the media? Or knowledge gained from a bloke down the pub, who’s got a mate, who’s little sister used to go out with a cleaner at the police station who knows the truth”?
It's knowledge based on facts history speaks volumes, and still occurring no Karen or Tracy
Ok so that answers the question of whether you have a background in policing - doesn’t really answer the question about the sources of your knowledge
Read the report by baroness Louise Casey and maybe watch her live. My facts are not just based upon her but a long time for someone to actually speak up how badly it really is and it's nationwide....
Nationwide, and top to bottom, yes?
Always, it's how they got to the top, protect those at the bottom. Recent events whilst 100 and 100 officers were under investigation for numerous sexual offences but we're cut down to 24 being convicted was highlighted the cover up
That really interests me. You see I spent 25 years in the career that you are quite happily denigrating. So I'm now starting to question myself. Am I misogynistic, racist, sexist, homophobic, corrupt, and Criminal. Or is it just a selection of the above? You see I thought that I was motivated by a sense of Duty and service. I thought I was making sacrifices along the way. But it turns out that I wasn't. It turns out I was just a self serving and corrupt agent of the state and an enemy of the people. Imagine my disappointment to realise how deluded I was for 25 fucking years. Thank you so much for pointing it out to me. It's always nice to hear from an expert."I did say I quote only a small majority were going by the guidelines of training professionalism so not throwing it out as a complete under a truck | |||
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"The police do not work for us, the people, they work for the government of the day and do their bidding. Police forces in England and Wales have lots of powers compared to previous decades, the information they can pull up on you at the touch of a button is utterly frightening. Officers break the law with impunity and let elite classes and well-off, connected people get away with all sorts. Yes, some dona fantastically good job and yes if I was in danger I wouldn't hesitate to call them - but that's only in the absence of anything better. The police are a weapon of the state and the sooner people realise they are at the centre of the UK's emergence as an authoritarian state, the more likely we are to not go down that route. Sadly, people are all too quick to put this kind of talk aside as deluded ramblings than face the uncomfortable scary, scary truth. Too easy to say 'it could never happen here' without looking at how countries fall under authoritarianism and noticing that the UK is following a tried a tested route into exactly the thing that could 'never happen here'. Don't trust the police. So will you be contacting the police and letting them know that if ever you need their assistance that you indemnify them from giving any assistance because obviously you wouldn’t trust them. Police officers do not let elite classes and well off get away with anything - just like they don’t “let people off” things like serious sexual assaults as they don’t charge a lot of offences - they investigate and the Crown Prosecution authorise and prosecute criminal cases. Police officers often prevent people being charged for things they haven’t done as they have a legal obligation to pursue anything which shows a person is innocent as well as guilty. And if I may be so bold - your profile name may be interpreted as being quite appropriate bearing in mind that the Wombles made use of “the everyday things that folk leave behind” ….such as rubbish - which it could be hypothesised is being done here - rubbish is being put to use ? "Short memory? Remember Covid and the fines? You need to be less insulting and open your eyes. If I thought it was worth my time I'd find some of the news reports I've been reading and share them but then this stuff is very, very easy to find out about - you don't have to accept my word - or argue with it for that matter. You certainly don't need to insulting. | |||
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"It's only a small majority that is fit for purpose that follows the guidelines of training. Corruption has been going on for decades and will continue sadly it's so far right at the top running all the way down. Far too much gets covered up by the powers that be, it's only a job to me if they choose to go beyond must deal with the consequences... similar to any other profession In your broad experience of British policing? Knowledge
Is that knowledge based on a background in policing - or knowledge based on the “totally accurate and impartial” reporting in the media? Or knowledge gained from a bloke down the pub, who’s got a mate, who’s little sister used to go out with a cleaner at the police station who knows the truth”?
It's knowledge based on facts history speaks volumes, and still occurring no Karen or Tracy
Ok so that answers the question of whether you have a background in policing - doesn’t really answer the question about the sources of your knowledge
Read the report by baroness Louise Casey and maybe watch her live. My facts are not just based upon her but a long time for someone to actually speak up how badly it really is and it's nationwide....
Nationwide, and top to bottom, yes?
Always, it's how they got to the top, protect those at the bottom. Recent events whilst 100 and 100 officers were under investigation for numerous sexual offences but we're cut down to 24 being convicted was highlighted the cover up
Or alternatively (and perhaps I’m missing the bigger picture here) there was no evidence to support charges/conviction of the others?
I may misunderstand the meaning of the word “investigation” but I didn’t think the etymology of the word was “guilty of doing/committing” (unless there’s a report by another Baroness which could educate me into the correct terminology ?
And again I may have missed it but if the criminal justice system in this country is based on the premis of “innocent until proven guilty” then I’m hypothesising that you may be suggesting that it doesn’t apply to members of the police service ? "How many of this criminal justice system have been charged of criminal activities trying to frame someone was a joint venture smh | |||
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"The police do not work for us, the people, they work for the government of the day and do their bidding. Police forces in England and Wales have lots of powers compared to previous decades, the information they can pull up on you at the touch of a button is utterly frightening. Officers break the law with impunity and let elite classes and well-off, connected people get away with all sorts. Yes, some dona fantastically good job and yes if I was in danger I wouldn't hesitate to call them - but that's only in the absence of anything better. The police are a weapon of the state and the sooner people realise they are at the centre of the UK's emergence as an authoritarian state, the more likely we are to not go down that route. Sadly, people are all too quick to put this kind of talk aside as deluded ramblings than face the uncomfortable scary, scary truth. Too easy to say 'it could never happen here' without looking at how countries fall under authoritarianism and noticing that the UK is following a tried a tested route into exactly the thing that could 'never happen here'. Don't trust the police. So will you be contacting the police and letting them know that if ever you need their assistance that you indemnify them from giving any assistance because obviously you wouldn’t trust them. Police officers do not let elite classes and well off get away with anything - just like they don’t “let people off” things like serious sexual assaults as they don’t charge a lot of offences - they investigate and the Crown Prosecution authorise and prosecute criminal cases. Police officers often prevent people being charged for things they haven’t done as they have a legal obligation to pursue anything which shows a person is innocent as well as guilty. And if I may be so bold - your profile name may be interpreted as being quite appropriate bearing in mind that the Wombles made use of “the everyday things that folk leave behind” ….such as rubbish - which it could be hypothesised is being done here - rubbish is being put to use ?
Short memory? Remember Covid and the fines? You need to be less insulting and open your eyes. If I thought it was worth my time I'd find some of the news reports I've been reading and share them but then this stuff is very, very easy to find out about - you don't have to accept my word - or argue with it for that matter. You certainly don't need to insulting. "Personally I thought I was being sarcastic but I’ll respect your opinion that I was being insulting - it’s all about perception. For example it may be suggested that some may be insulted by your perception of the police - I dunno… guess it’s as the great Clint Eastwood once said - opinions are like assholes  | |||
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"Always find it fascinating that the police are consistently 'tarred with the same brush' so to speak, whenever one of them commits an offence, get this doesn't happen to any other public sector. I don't recall seeing NHS workers labeled as murderers following numerous high profile cases such as Harold Shipman and most recently Lucy Letby. " | |||
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"It's only a small majority that is fit for purpose that follows the guidelines of training. Corruption has been going on for decades and will continue sadly it's so far right at the top running all the way down. Far too much gets covered up by the powers that be, it's only a job to me if they choose to go beyond must deal with the consequences... similar to any other profession In your broad experience of British policing? Knowledge
Is that knowledge based on a background in policing - or knowledge based on the “totally accurate and impartial” reporting in the media? Or knowledge gained from a bloke down the pub, who’s got a mate, who’s little sister used to go out with a cleaner at the police station who knows the truth”?
It's knowledge based on facts history speaks volumes, and still occurring no Karen or Tracy
Ok so that answers the question of whether you have a background in policing - doesn’t really answer the question about the sources of your knowledge
Read the report by baroness Louise Casey and maybe watch her live. My facts are not just based upon her but a long time for someone to actually speak up how badly it really is and it's nationwide....
Nationwide, and top to bottom, yes?
Always, it's how they got to the top, protect those at the bottom. Recent events whilst 100 and 100 officers were under investigation for numerous sexual offences but we're cut down to 24 being convicted was highlighted the cover up
That really interests me. You see I spent 25 years in the career that you are quite happily denigrating. So I'm now starting to question myself. Am I misogynistic, racist, sexist, homophobic, corrupt, and Criminal. Or is it just a selection of the above? You see I thought that I was motivated by a sense of Duty and service. I thought I was making sacrifices along the way. But it turns out that I wasn't. It turns out I was just a self serving and corrupt agent of the state and an enemy of the people. Imagine my disappointment to realise how deluded I was for 25 fucking years. Thank you so much for pointing it out to me. It's always nice to hear from an expert." | |||
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"The police do not work for us, the people, they work for the government of the day and do their bidding. Police forces in England and Wales have lots of powers compared to previous decades, the information they can pull up on you at the touch of a button is utterly frightening. Officers break the law with impunity and let elite classes and well-off, connected people get away with all sorts. Yes, some dona fantastically good job and yes if I was in danger I wouldn't hesitate to call them - but that's only in the absence of anything better. The police are a weapon of the state and the sooner people realise they are at the centre of the UK's emergence as an authoritarian state, the more likely we are to not go down that route. Sadly, people are all too quick to put this kind of talk aside as deluded ramblings than face the uncomfortable scary, scary truth. Too easy to say 'it could never happen here' without looking at how countries fall under authoritarianism and noticing that the UK is following a tried a tested route into exactly the thing that could 'never happen here'. Don't trust the police. So will you be contacting the police and letting them know that if ever you need their assistance that you indemnify them from giving any assistance because obviously you wouldn’t trust them. Police officers do not let elite classes and well off get away with anything - just like they don’t “let people off” things like serious sexual assaults as they don’t charge a lot of offences - they investigate and the Crown Prosecution authorise and prosecute criminal cases. Police officers often prevent people being charged for things they haven’t done as they have a legal obligation to pursue anything which shows a person is innocent as well as guilty. And if I may be so bold - your profile name may be interpreted as being quite appropriate bearing in mind that the Wombles made use of “the everyday things that folk leave behind” ….such as rubbish - which it could be hypothesised is being done here - rubbish is being put to use ?
Short memory? Remember Covid and the fines? You need to be less insulting and open your eyes. If I thought it was worth my time I'd find some of the news reports I've been reading and share them but then this stuff is very, very easy to find out about - you don't have to accept my word - or argue with it for that matter. You certainly don't need to insulting.
Personally I thought I was being sarcastic but I’ll respect your opinion that I was being insulting - it’s all about perception.
For example it may be suggested that some may be insulted by your perception of the police - I dunno… guess it’s as the great Clint Eastwood once said - opinions are like assholes "Perception is truth eh? People like this, ladies and gents, is why the UK will fall into authoritarianism. because people won't THINK, they won't investigate, just argue and insult others and everything will be fine. And it will be just fine. For now. | |||
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"It's only a small majority that is fit for purpose that follows the guidelines of training. Corruption has been going on for decades and will continue sadly it's so far right at the top running all the way down. Far too much gets covered up by the powers that be, it's only a job to me if they choose to go beyond must deal with the consequences... similar to any other profession In your broad experience of British policing? Knowledge
Is that knowledge based on a background in policing - or knowledge based on the “totally accurate and impartial” reporting in the media? Or knowledge gained from a bloke down the pub, who’s got a mate, who’s little sister used to go out with a cleaner at the police station who knows the truth”?
It's knowledge based on facts history speaks volumes, and still occurring no Karen or Tracy
Ok so that answers the question of whether you have a background in policing - doesn’t really answer the question about the sources of your knowledge
Read the report by baroness Louise Casey and maybe watch her live. My facts are not just based upon her but a long time for someone to actually speak up how badly it really is and it's nationwide....
Nationwide, and top to bottom, yes?
Always, it's how they got to the top, protect those at the bottom. Recent events whilst 100 and 100 officers were under investigation for numerous sexual offences but we're cut down to 24 being convicted was highlighted the cover up
That really interests me. You see I spent 25 years in the career that you are quite happily denigrating. So I'm now starting to question myself. Am I misogynistic, racist, sexist, homophobic, corrupt, and Criminal. Or is it just a selection of the above? You see I thought that I was motivated by a sense of Duty and service. I thought I was making sacrifices along the way. But it turns out that I wasn't. It turns out I was just a self serving and corrupt agent of the state and an enemy of the people. Imagine my disappointment to realise how deluded I was for 25 fucking years. Thank you so much for pointing it out to me. It's always nice to hear from an expert.
I did say I quote only a small majority were going by the guidelines of training professionalism so not throwing it out as a complete under a truck"You did. In my experience you are wrong. But you speak with such authority, maybe you DO know what you are talking about. Are you able to provide specific data, and detail which training and procedures the majority arent following. | |||
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"The police do not work for us, the people, they work for the government of the day and do their bidding. Police forces in England and Wales have lots of powers compared to previous decades, the information they can pull up on you at the touch of a button is utterly frightening. Officers break the law with impunity and let elite classes and well-off, connected people get away with all sorts. Yes, some dona fantastically good job and yes if I was in danger I wouldn't hesitate to call them - but that's only in the absence of anything better. The police are a weapon of the state and the sooner people realise they are at the centre of the UK's emergence as an authoritarian state, the more likely we are to not go down that route. Sadly, people are all too quick to put this kind of talk aside as deluded ramblings than face the uncomfortable scary, scary truth. Too easy to say 'it could never happen here' without looking at how countries fall under authoritarianism and noticing that the UK is following a tried a tested route into exactly the thing that could 'never happen here'. Don't trust the police. So will you be contacting the police and letting them know that if ever you need their assistance that you indemnify them from giving any assistance because obviously you wouldn’t trust them. Police officers do not let elite classes and well off get away with anything - just like they don’t “let people off” things like serious sexual assaults as they don’t charge a lot of offences - they investigate and the Crown Prosecution authorise and prosecute criminal cases. Police officers often prevent people being charged for things they haven’t done as they have a legal obligation to pursue anything which shows a person is innocent as well as guilty. And if I may be so bold - your profile name may be interpreted as being quite appropriate bearing in mind that the Wombles made use of “the everyday things that folk leave behind” ….such as rubbish - which it could be hypothesised is being done here - rubbish is being put to use ?
Short memory? Remember Covid and the fines? You need to be less insulting and open your eyes. If I thought it was worth my time I'd find some of the news reports I've been reading and share them but then this stuff is very, very easy to find out about - you don't have to accept my word - or argue with it for that matter. You certainly don't need to insulting.
Personally I thought I was being sarcastic but I’ll respect your opinion that I was being insulting - it’s all about perception.
For example it may be suggested that some may be insulted by your perception of the police - I dunno… guess it’s as the great Clint Eastwood once said - opinions are like assholes
Perception is truth eh?
People like this, ladies and gents, is why the UK will fall into authoritarianism. because people won't THINK, they won't investigate, just argue and insult others and everything will be fine. And it will be just fine. For now. "Specifics? Which crimes did I commit with impunity? Which 'elites' did I turn a blind eye to? | |||
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"The police do not work for us, the people, they work for the government of the day and do their bidding. Police forces in England and Wales have lots of powers compared to previous decades, the information they can pull up on you at the touch of a button is utterly frightening. Officers break the law with impunity and let elite classes and well-off, connected people get away with all sorts. Yes, some dona fantastically good job and yes if I was in danger I wouldn't hesitate to call them - but that's only in the absence of anything better. The police are a weapon of the state and the sooner people realise they are at the centre of the UK's emergence as an authoritarian state, the more likely we are to not go down that route. Sadly, people are all too quick to put this kind of talk aside as deluded ramblings than face the uncomfortable scary, scary truth. Too easy to say 'it could never happen here' without looking at how countries fall under authoritarianism and noticing that the UK is following a tried a tested route into exactly the thing that could 'never happen here'. Don't trust the police. So will you be contacting the police and letting them know that if ever you need their assistance that you indemnify them from giving any assistance because obviously you wouldn’t trust them. Police officers do not let elite classes and well off get away with anything - just like they don’t “let people off” things like serious sexual assaults as they don’t charge a lot of offences - they investigate and the Crown Prosecution authorise and prosecute criminal cases. Police officers often prevent people being charged for things they haven’t done as they have a legal obligation to pursue anything which shows a person is innocent as well as guilty. And if I may be so bold - your profile name may be interpreted as being quite appropriate bearing in mind that the Wombles made use of “the everyday things that folk leave behind” ….such as rubbish - which it could be hypothesised is being done here - rubbish is being put to use ?
Short memory? Remember Covid and the fines? You need to be less insulting and open your eyes. If I thought it was worth my time I'd find some of the news reports I've been reading and share them but then this stuff is very, very easy to find out about - you don't have to accept my word - or argue with it for that matter. You certainly don't need to insulting.
Personally I thought I was being sarcastic but I’ll respect your opinion that I was being insulting - it’s all about perception.
For example it may be suggested that some may be insulted by your perception of the police - I dunno… guess it’s as the great Clint Eastwood once said - opinions are like assholes
Perception is truth eh?
People like this, ladies and gents, is why the UK will fall into authoritarianism. because people won't THINK, they won't investigate, just argue and insult others and everything will be fine. And it will be just fine. For now. "The truth is out there... ***Dramatic glance into the horizon*** But what I really want to know. The thing that really matters. That's burning me up inside... Will we get Wendy's and will the Baconater be as good as it is in the states? | |||
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"I’m glad your bro was found and is safe OP - It’s just so sad that what was potentially a good news story of both the police and medical teams involved has turned into the usual forum hatred! "Well said.... amazing how people go off on a tangent as usual when the threads actually about someone's brother and the fast help they received. | |||
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"I’m glad your bro was found and is safe OP - It’s just so sad that what was potentially a good news story of both the police and medical teams involved has turned into the usual forum hatred!
Well said.... amazing how people go off on a tangent as usual when the threads actually about someone's brother and the fast help they received. "To be fair between the title and the last line, the thread is still on topic. | |||
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Well said.... amazing how people go off on a tangent as usual when the threads actually about someone's brother and the fast help they received. "That was tbe content of the opening post, not the topic of the thread. | |||
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"I’m forum hatred!
Well said.... amazing how people go off on a tangent as usual when the threads actually about someone's brother and the fast help they received.
That was tbe content of the opening post, not the topic of the thread.
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"I’m glad your bro was found and is safe OP - It’s just so sad that what was potentially a good news story of both the police and medical teams involved has turned into the usual forum hatred!
Well said.... amazing how people go off on a tangent as usual when the threads actually about someone's brother and the fast help they received.
To be fair between the title and the last line, the thread is still on topic."Because no one will ever shut up and believe they know best, gets boring. 99% of them could never do that job either. | |||
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"It's only a small majority that is fit for purpose that follows the guidelines of training. Corruption has been going on for decades and will continue sadly it's so far right at the top running all the way down. Far too much gets covered up by the powers that be, it's only a job to me if they choose to go beyond must deal with the consequences... similar to any other profession In your broad experience of British policing? Knowledge
Is that knowledge based on a background in policing - or knowledge based on the “totally accurate and impartial” reporting in the media? Or knowledge gained from a bloke down the pub, who’s got a mate, who’s little sister used to go out with a cleaner at the police station who knows the truth”?
It's knowledge based on facts history speaks volumes, and still occurring no Karen or Tracy
Ok so that answers the question of whether you have a background in policing - doesn’t really answer the question about the sources of your knowledge
Read the report by baroness Louise Casey and maybe watch her live. My facts are not just based upon her but a long time for someone to actually speak up how badly it really is and it's nationwide....
Nationwide, and top to bottom, yes?
Always, it's how they got to the top, protect those at the bottom. Recent events whilst 100 and 100 officers were under investigation for numerous sexual offences but we're cut down to 24 being convicted was highlighted the cover up
That really interests me. You see I spent 25 years in the career that you are quite happily denigrating. So I'm now starting to question myself. Am I misogynistic, racist, sexist, homophobic, corrupt, and Criminal. Or is it just a selection of the above? You see I thought that I was motivated by a sense of Duty and service. I thought I was making sacrifices along the way. But it turns out that I wasn't. It turns out I was just a self serving and corrupt agent of the state and an enemy of the people. Imagine my disappointment to realise how deluded I was for 25 fucking years. Thank you so much for pointing it out to me. It's always nice to hear from an expert.
I did say I quote only a small majority were going by the guidelines of training professionalism so not throwing it out as a complete under a truck
You did.
In my experience you are wrong.
But you speak with such authority, maybe you DO know what you are talking about.
Are you able to provide specific data, and detail which training and procedures the majority arent following. "Data you could do your own search. Given topic's like these can be difficult to expose but try YouTube criminal activities by the met you'll find those whom worked for the establishment speaking the truth I never judge something as a whole as most don't have a clue whom they may work alongside but are those whom wouldn't say anything fear of backlash and loosing their career... | |||
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"I’m glad your bro was found and is safe OP - It’s just so sad that what was potentially a good news story of both the police and medical teams involved has turned into the usual forum hatred!
Well said.... amazing how people go off on a tangent as usual when the threads actually about someone's brother and the fast help they received.
To be fair between the title and the last line, the thread is still on topic.
Because no one will ever shut up and believe they know best, gets boring. 99% of them could never do that job either. "So I can’t criticise anyone doing their job no matter how badly they’re doing it unless I can do their job? | |||
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"I’m glad your bro was found and is safe OP - It’s just so sad that what was potentially a good news story of both the police and medical teams involved has turned into the usual forum hatred!
Well said.... amazing how people go off on a tangent as usual when the threads actually about someone's brother and the fast help they received.
To be fair between the title and the last line, the thread is still on topic.
Because no one will ever shut up and believe they know best, gets boring. 99% of them could never do that job either.
So I can’t criticise anyone doing their job no matter how badly they’re doing it unless I can do their job? "How you've wrote that above you'd be criticising one person for how they done the job not the entire police force being labelled as the same just because of some that are dickheads within the police. | |||
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"The UK police force have one or two more problems than the odd rogue policemen! They are colossally underfunded for a start. It's been reported today that Britain is losing 1 billion a year in stock to the shoplifting epidemic, and shops are spending an exta 700 million just to keep it al that level! It means higher prices for all of us. Police are attending maybe 1 in 10 incidences, and asking shops to ring 101 instead of 999 as they simply won't get there in any good time (ie to deal with it before someone is released). Crime is so endemic in Britain today that we need more police, more stations (I don't even have a local one and I'm in quite a large inner city area - we use our neighbours over the river) and more investment into databasing and future-proofing it. They are technological muffins, it's a joke. All video evidence should remain as video evidence and be streamed to them. They let most crime go and have done for years now to keep 'records' down for purely political reasons. As a consequence we've created a criminal culture that may actually be impossible to quantify now. Personally I am inclined to hold the Police partly responsible for this, because though I do believe in the old adage that the police are only ever as good as the people who run them, sometimes they clearly need to stand up and be better. If they are truly one of us. What we need is one (globally) organised single police force. Incidentally, there is absolutely no-doubt in my mind that chronic shoplifting is accepted politically simply because on one level it helps tackle poverty. I don't think people will tolerate that forever though. I couldn't get into my local super market the other week (late hours just before closing) because of a genuinely violent shoplifter closed the shop. That isn't a specifically strictly a poverty issue granted (poverty of mind through drugs more like). But it's the whole thing taken together - people won't accept it forever. pt" My brother was a senior police officer in a very rural force. He told me they were so stretched he used to call it Fire Brigade Policing. He was a Tory voter but stopped when May was leader on account of her stint at the Home Office. | |||
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"The UK police force have one or two more problems than the odd rogue policemen! They are colossally underfunded for a start. It's been reported today that Britain is losing 1 billion a year in stock to the shoplifting epidemic, and shops are spending an exta 700 million just to keep it al that level! It means higher prices for all of us. Police are attending maybe 1 in 10 incidences, and asking shops to ring 101 instead of 999 as they simply won't get there in any good time (ie to deal with it before someone is released). Crime is so endemic in Britain today that we need more police, more stations (I don't even have a local one and I'm in quite a large inner city area - we use our neighbours over the river) and more investment into databasing and future-proofing it. They are technological muffins, it's a joke. All video evidence should remain as video evidence and be streamed to them. They let most crime go and have done for years now to keep 'records' down for purely political reasons. As a consequence we've created a criminal culture that may actually be impossible to quantify now. Personally I am inclined to hold the Police partly responsible for this, because though I do believe in the old adage that the police are only ever as good as the people who run them, sometimes they clearly need to stand up and be better. If they are truly one of us. What we need is one (globally) organised single police force. Incidentally, there is absolutely no-doubt in my mind that chronic shoplifting is accepted politically simply because on one level it helps tackle poverty. I don't think people will tolerate that forever though. I couldn't get into my local super market the other week (late hours just before closing) because of a genuinely violent shoplifter closed the shop. That isn't a specifically strictly a poverty issue granted (poverty of mind through drugs more like). But it's the whole thing taken together - people won't accept it forever. pt" underfunded might be due to all the payouts they've had to give out as compensation | |||
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"It's only a small majority that is fit for purpose that follows the guidelines of training. Corruption has been going on for decades and will continue sadly it's so far right at the top running all the way down. Far too much gets covered up by the powers that be, it's only a job to me if they choose to go beyond must deal with the consequences... similar to any other profession In your broad experience of British policing? Knowledge
Is that knowledge based on a background in policing - or knowledge based on the “totally accurate and impartial” reporting in the media? Or knowledge gained from a bloke down the pub, who’s got a mate, who’s little sister used to go out with a cleaner at the police station who knows the truth”?
It's knowledge based on facts history speaks volumes, and still occurring no Karen or Tracy
Ok so that answers the question of whether you have a background in policing - doesn’t really answer the question about the sources of your knowledge
Read the report by baroness Louise Casey and maybe watch her live. My facts are not just based upon her but a long time for someone to actually speak up how badly it really is and it's nationwide....
Nationwide, and top to bottom, yes?
Always, it's how they got to the top, protect those at the bottom. Recent events whilst 100 and 100 officers were under investigation for numerous sexual offences but we're cut down to 24 being convicted was highlighted the cover up
That really interests me. You see I spent 25 years in the career that you are quite happily denigrating. So I'm now starting to question myself. Am I misogynistic, racist, sexist, homophobic, corrupt, and Criminal. Or is it just a selection of the above? You see I thought that I was motivated by a sense of Duty and service. I thought I was making sacrifices along the way. But it turns out that I wasn't. It turns out I was just a self serving and corrupt agent of the state and an enemy of the people. Imagine my disappointment to realise how deluded I was for 25 fucking years. Thank you so much for pointing it out to me. It's always nice to hear from an expert.
I did say I quote only a small majority were going by the guidelines of training professionalism so not throwing it out as a complete under a truck
You did.
In my experience you are wrong.
But you speak with such authority, maybe you DO know what you are talking about.
Are you able to provide specific data, and detail which training and procedures the majority arent following.
Data you could do your own search. Given topic's like these can be difficult to expose but try YouTube criminal activities by the met you'll find those whom worked for the establishment speaking the truth I never judge something as a whole as most don't have a clue whom they may work alongside but are those whom wouldn't say anything fear of backlash and loosing their career..."Oh. YouTube. | |||
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"I’m glad your bro was found and is safe OP - It’s just so sad that what was potentially a good news story of both the police and medical teams involved has turned into the usual forum hatred!
Well said.... amazing how people go off on a tangent as usual when the threads actually about someone's brother and the fast help they received.
To be fair between the title and the last line, the thread is still on topic.
Because no one will ever shut up and believe they know best, gets boring. 99% of them could never do that job either.
So I can’t criticise anyone doing their job no matter how badly they’re doing it unless I can do their job?
How you've wrote that above you'd be criticising one person for how they done the job not the entire police force being labelled as the same just because of some that are dickheads within the police. "#notallpolice | |||
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" My brother was a senior police officer in a very rural force. He told me they were so stretched he used to call it Fire Brigade Policing. He was a Tory voter but stopped when May was leader on account of her stint at the Home Office. " It was probably the effect of Big Society, which was basically about charitable, reservist (or retired and influential) people doing hitherto-processional's work to save the government money. All Big Society was really about was Austerity cuts though clearly - and in this instance, less police. 10 years of making the poor pay slowly so the rich 'providers' never have to pay at all. On top of that a Snooper's charter, so they watch people that way. Even worse than May in my eyes, Truss actually took Toryism to its most basic and primal level and ironically would have destroyed our whole economy if people (pretty much everyone) didn't stop it and intervene. But money is a social construct, and everything is in my opinion. You cannot under-fund society without consequence. The already-stable and certainly the already-wealthy should wait to be wealthier. And that should happen soon-enough if society is managed properly imo. pt | |||
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" My brother was a senior police officer in a very rural force. He told me they were so stretched he used to call it Fire Brigade Policing. He was a Tory voter but stopped when May was leader on account of her stint at the Home Office. It was probably the effect of Big Society, which was basically about charitable, reservist (or retired and influential) people doing hitherto-processional's work to save the government money. All Big Society was really about was Austerity cuts though clearly - and in this instance, less police. 10 years of making the poor pay slowly so the rich 'providers' never have to pay at all. On top of that a Snooper's charter, so they watch people that way. Even worse than May in my eyes, Truss actually took Toryism to its most basic and primal level and ironically would have destroyed our whole economy if people (pretty much everyone) didn't stop it and intervene. But money is a social construct, and everything is in my opinion. You cannot under-fund society without consequence. The already-stable and certainly the already-wealthy should wait to be wealthier. And that should happen soon-enough if society is managed properly imo. pt" The rot started with Blunkett | |||
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" My brother was a senior police officer in a very rural force. He told me they were so stretched he used to call it Fire Brigade Policing. He was a Tory voter but stopped when May was leader on account of her stint at the Home Office. It was probably the effect of Big Society, which was basically about charitable, reservist (or retired and influential) people doing hitherto-processional's work to save the government money. All Big Society was really about was Austerity cuts though clearly - and in this instance, less police. 10 years of making the poor pay slowly so the rich 'providers' never have to pay at all. On top of that a Snooper's charter, so they watch people that way. Even worse than May in my eyes, Truss actually took Toryism to its most basic and primal level and ironically would have destroyed our whole economy if people (pretty much everyone) didn't stop it and intervene. But money is a social construct, and everything is in my opinion. You cannot under-fund society without consequence. The already-stable and certainly the already-wealthy should wait to be wealthier. And that should happen soon-enough if society is managed properly imo. pt The rot started with Blunkett " Target and reward culture was never suitable for the police, and New Labour went even further politicising too. But Thatcher and Blair were the mother and father of Cameron and the new Etonians. We've never really had a break from the rot, that's why things are so bad. pt | |||
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"The UK police force have one or two more problems than the odd rogue policemen! They are colossally underfunded for a start. It's been reported today that Britain is losing 1 billion a year in stock to the shoplifting epidemic, and shops are spending an exta 700 million just to keep it al that level! It means higher prices for all of us. Police are attending maybe 1 in 10 incidences, and asking shops to ring 101 instead of 999 as they simply won't get there in any good time (ie to deal with it before someone is released). Crime is so endemic in Britain today that we need more police, more stations (I don't even have a local one and I'm in quite a large inner city area - we use our neighbours over the river) and more investment into databasing and future-proofing it. They are technological muffins, it's a joke. All video evidence should remain as video evidence and be streamed to them. They let most crime go and have done for years now to keep 'records' down for purely political reasons. As a consequence we've created a criminal culture that may actually be impossible to quantify now. Personally I am inclined to hold the Police partly responsible for this, because though I do believe in the old adage that the police are only ever as good as the people who run them, sometimes they clearly need to stand up and be better. If they are truly one of us. What we need is one (globally) organised single police force. Incidentally, there is absolutely no-doubt in my mind that chronic shoplifting is accepted politically simply because on one level it helps tackle poverty. I don't think people will tolerate that forever though. I couldn't get into my local super market the other week (late hours just before closing) because of a genuinely violent shoplifter closed the shop. That isn't a specifically strictly a poverty issue granted (poverty of mind through drugs more like). But it's the whole thing taken together - people won't accept it forever. pt" Whilst I appreciate the overarching sentiment that underfunding is the root of the issue, I do have to correct some elements that are simply untrue. There is no such thing as ignoring crime to keep figures down. In or around 2015, the ethos completely changed and EVERYTHING gets crimed unless there is irrefutable evidence that a crime did not occur (CCTV disproves victim account etc). This is why the detection rate has plummeted as so many 'crimes' are reported that likely didn't happen and therefore have no chance of detection. This also puts police under huge strain as although the public see it as them not doing their job and catching criminals, they are actually spending hours and hours writing up 'crimes' that potentially didn't happen or they have no chance of getting past the CPS. Also, large numbers of the general public using the police to sort their lives out and deal with personal issues they cause themselves (my neighbour called me a slag on Facebook). All gets a crime number, all gets some poor officer having to write up why it's a load of bollocks and not worth dealing with. That's why it takes 5 hours to get to a genuine victims burglary etc. | |||
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"The police do not work for us, the people, they work for the government of the day ..... The police are a weapon of the state .... Short memory? Remember Covid and the fines? " If the police let off the political bosses, how come two out of the three last PMs got fixed penalty tickets? Once upon a time a politician would have resigned upon being prosecuted. Not this lot though! Gbat | |||
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