FabSwingers.com forum: XL Bully Dog Ban

By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Reports that these dogs may be banned by the Home Secretary after a strong of attacks. Should the buggers be banned

It's all over the news

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The Home Secretary always knows best.

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By *dam1971Man
over a year ago

Bedford

A divisive story to distract from other, self inflicted clusterfucks going on? Seem legit to me

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By *ustincamebridgeCouple
over a year ago

manchester

Ban the bad owners

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"Reports that these dogs may be banned by the Home Secretary after a strong of attacks. Should the buggers be banned

It's all over the news"

The entire breed of "Conservative MPs" should also be banned.

Generally, I don't believe that any breed of dog is inherently dangerous, I think individual dogs become dangerous due to how they are treated & trained.

Cal

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By *hrista BellendWoman
over a year ago

surrounded by twinkly lights

Ahh Tom. Even a cocker spaniel is a danger if its trained to be. Bring back the dog licence, but through lack of enforcement, I fear it would still lead to doofus people, owning a potentially dangerous set of

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By *nightsoftheCoffeeTableCouple
over a year ago

Leeds

Dogs aren’t dangerous. People are.

The mr

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Guns aren't dangerous, people are

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

Saw the video yesterday of the one attacking the young girl! Then the young men who managed to get it of her horrific! Should not have been of lead! Owners fault! X

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By *P994Man
over a year ago

Travelling

Some dogs are just a bad mix, if you got the drive of a APBT/Stafford and the human aggressive/defensive traits of a mastiff that dog should only be in the hands of very specific individuals. I’m massively against banning breeds and have previously owned a banned breed dog but the amount of XL or XXL bully’s needs to be changed as it’s not a breed that should be so easily available to all.

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By *asygoingcouple2022Couple
over a year ago

The moon

Is it the dogs fault, or owners fault

If you teach a dog to be bad it will be

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By *ealMissShadyWoman
over a year ago

St Albans/ Welsh Borders

"Some dogs are just a bad mix, if you got the drive of a APBT/Stafford and the human aggressive/defensive traits of a mastiff that dog should only be in the hands of very specific individuals. I’m massively against banning breeds and have previously owned a banned breed dog but the amount of XL or XXL bully’s needs to be changed as it’s not a breed that should be so easily available to all. "

This....All too often people have them as some sort of status dog and treat them as so with no proper training or socialisation because they like the 'hard man' image owning the dog involves, but if there is no respect for the dog or understanding of it's innate behaviours your asking for trouble. Unfortunately it's not the owner who pay the price for mistakes, it's often the dog with it's life.

I have a German Shepherd, trained well did all the classes when he was a pup, I have a close bond with him he's my world but he is reactive, it's my job to keep him safe and he trusts me to not put him in situations where he could react.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

Maybe licensing the owners of certain breeds would be a way forward.

Not just your pick up at the post office license but one that involves a training course and test at the end. And with criminal records taken into account.

Compulsory muzzling in public and 3rd party insurance (as is the law in Spain) is something that should not just be considered but fast tracked into law.

If something can be done without banning the breed then fine, but if not then it has to be banned.

I know many dog lovers would be unhappy but public safety has to trump everything, as it did with guns after Dunblane.

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By *AABMan
over a year ago

Not far

I understand why the government wants a kneejerk policy made on the hoof with no thought process, because they need the Daily Mail readers to give them a sense of relevance. But the type of person who buys this dog would just move on to another breed. Pehaps what’s needed is some kind of compulsory training and license. But as there are people who happily drive with insurance or licences, this probably wouldn’t work either.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Many years ago, my cousin had her face ripped apart. Requiring 7 separate skin grafting operations, and caused massive permanent facial disfigurement.

What fearsome creature caused such damage?

A golden retriever, owned by the most placid OAP couple you could ever meet.

He had it put down the same day.

All dogs have the capability to decide to attack on their own.

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By *atnip make me purrWoman
over a year ago

Reading

Maybe licensing the owners of certain breeds would be a way forward.

Not just your pick up at the post office license but one that involves a training course and test at the end. And with criminal records taken into account.

Compulsory muzzling in public and 3rd party insurance (as is the law in Spain) is something that should not just be considered but fast tracked into law.

If something can be done without banning the breed then fine, but if not then it has to be banned.

I know many dog lovers would be unhappy but public safety has to trump everything, as it did with guns after Dunblane.

I agree with this. Although any dog can become aggressive how many could actually kill? Chihuahuas may bite you but the only way you are going to die is if the bite causes septicaemia.

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By *ealMissShadyWoman
over a year ago

St Albans/ Welsh Borders

Maybe licensing the owners of certain breeds would be a way forward.

Not just your pick up at the post office license but one that involves a training course and test at the end. And with criminal records taken into account.

Compulsory muzzling in public and 3rd party insurance (as is the law in Spain) is something that should not just be considered but fast tracked into law.

If something can be done without banning the breed then fine, but if not then it has to be banned.

I know many dog lovers would be unhappy but public safety has to trump everything, as it did with guns after Dunblane.

I agree with this. Although any dog can become aggressive how many could actually kill? Chihuahuas may bite you but the only way you are going to die is if the bite causes septicaemia. "

Couldn't care what breed it is, it shouldn't be biting, stature is no excuse. My neighbours chihuahua bites men, she thinks it's hilarious yet if my dog did that she'd be screeching for his destruction

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don’t understand it, Ripper is such a lovely dog, he’s never hurt a soul. Until he mauled little Emily to death, obviously.

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Travelling

The problem with "breed banning" is that it's a guesstimate. They base it soley on the appearance and size of the dog. Almost never taking in to account the heritage itself of the dog, or the nature of the dog.

Plenty of dogs, calm and well adjusted dogs with great training, out there taken from their owners based upon the look alone. Family pets forcefully taken in a stressful situation and manner, shoved in a cage that is stressful and new to them, kept from the family then either put down, or returned to the family with the stipulation of must always be on lead and wearing a muzzle (even enclosed areas like a dog park).

Dogs that have been assessed by qualified trainers multiple times are still either put down or heavily restricted once returned to the owners. A lot of dogs come back fearful and more aggressive than when they were taken due to the fear and stress introduced to them during this time.

XL Bully breeds ARE a problem, but it is due to it being a very legal weapon. Which mostly again comes down to humans and not the animals themselves. I've meet with some of the sweetest and most affectionate bully breeds out there, docile and friendly and love gentle play fighting. We have all seen the aggressive little terriers out there. Any breed, just like any human, capable of being this way especially without the proper guidance.

An XL Bully is significantly more dangerous than almost any other breed due to the raw power contained within that animal, these dogs are a tanks - any dog is capable of being dangerous but these breeds are simply potential weapons because of humans. Humans are the reason these animals have their instinctual protectiveness and prey drive honed in to a single trait - aggression.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

We can debate exactly what needs to be done but I think we can all agree that something has to change and quickly.

The current free for all cannot go on.

We all know that any dog can bite but I think using that argument is like saying: "Because my tabby cat can give me a nip or a nasty scratch then I should be allowed to take my Leopard for a walk in the park".

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've grown up in an area where there has been loads of dog attacks and I have encountered a ridiculous amount of dangerous dogs and it is pretty much always the bully type. Honestly, I would be delighted to see those types of dogs banned and disappear.

You can all sit there and say a little Jack Russel or a big golden lab are capable of the same thing but it's nowhere near as common and they do not have the same strength to easily rip you apart.

I don't think we should be able to easily own animals that have the potential to be a weapon.

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By *adtaffladMan
over a year ago

Rhyl

"Ban the bad owners"

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

Invariably it's poor handlers who own dogs that carry out these attacks.

Licensing/chipping may help but difficult to police and of course the crap owners won't bother with it. Also would it mean only the licensed owner can walk the dog or have it out in public.

Others have said small dogs can also be antisocial, I know I have one, but I'd rather be faced with an arsey spaniel than a fire-breathing XL Bully!

Personally I think the easiest option is to have dogs over a certain weight muzzled when they're in public and prosecute owners who fail to do so as its easy to see those who havent complied, assuming the dog isnt running loose.

I'm happy to put a muzzle on my snappy dog and she's tiny but could still nip someone, the jaws of a big dog could seriously injure or kill someone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Chihuahuas may bite you but the only way you are going to die is if the bite causes septicaemia. "

I know of a Chihuahua that killed a Rottweiler.

The Rottweiler got it stuck in its throat

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By *ndycoinsMan
over a year ago

Whaley Bridge,Nr Buxton,

Same old story,irresponsible/clueless owners.The same morons that come into the fields,let Fido loose to chase the livestock which apparently is hilarious.When you ask the moron to put it on a lead you get told "why? It's not doing anything wrong",every single time.Dont pick the shit up either thereby spreading Neospora/Neospirosis.

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By *addad99Man
over a year ago

Rotherham /newquay

My opinion is all dogs should be banned unfortunately it's usually the owner but again we aren't aloud to put the owner down so the dog gets it.you should have to be licensed to have a pet have insurance and checked every year at the owners cost if found with out minimum 5 yrs a fine and if on benefits and council house lose the lot.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My opinion is all dogs should be banned unfortunately it's usually the owner but again we aren't aloud to put the owner down so the dog gets it.you should have to be licensed to have a pet have insurance and checked every year at the owners cost if found with out minimum 5 yrs a fine and if on benefits and council house lose the lot."

Why would you want the penalties for benefit claimants and council tenants to be harsher?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why would you want the penalties for benefit claimants and council tenants to be harsher?"

I would say because there is a clear defined trend for a certain group of criminals who are not part of the working public to own and breed aggressive dog breeds for protection and income.

And they will ban breed X, and the criminals will move to breed Y, and breed Y will be banned etc etc as infinitum.

Dealing with the people behind the breeding is the only way to get dogs out of the hands of those who want them just as weapons.

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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago

East London

Talking to my granddaughter daughter about dog attacks only last week I reminded her that if my dog attacked I'd be able to pick it up and throw it off the balcony (I would still be injured but had a chance of surviving); whereas, if her dog attacked I'd be dead in less than a minute.

It's so powerful I struggle to just keep it's head off me when it wants a playful wrestle.

Any dog can attack but some can kill very easily.

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By *addad99Man
over a year ago

Rotherham /newquay

Why would you want the penalties for benefit claimants and council tenants to be harsher?"
because it's mainly those people and estates that have these stupid animals no point sending them to prison it's not a deterrent but losing a house and never be able to get another is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why would you want the penalties for benefit claimants and council tenants to be harsher?

I would say because there is a clear defined trend for a certain group of criminals who are not part of the working public to own and breed aggressive dog breeds for protection and income.

And they will ban breed X, and the criminals will move to breed Y, and breed Y will be banned etc etc as infinitum.

Dealing with the people behind the breeding is the only way to get dogs out of the hands of those who want them just as weapons."

Unemployed criminals? I asked about benefit claimants and council tenants.

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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago

East London

Why would you want the penalties for benefit claimants and council tenants to be harsher?

I would say because there is a clear defined trend for a certain group of criminals who are not part of the working public to own and breed aggressive dog breeds for protection and income.

And they will ban breed X, and the criminals will move to breed Y, and breed Y will be banned etc etc as infinitum.

Dealing with the people behind the breeding is the only way to get dogs out of the hands of those who want them just as weapons.

Unemployed criminals? I asked about benefit claimants and council tenants."

People assume that all people on benefits who live in council houses are unemployed, and that only those people own dangerous dogs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Things like this really wind me up. This is just another in a long line of dogs to be demonised because they are owned by the wrong type of people. Bring in tighter controls on who owns and breeds dogs rather than a blanket ban on specific breeds. There is no such thing as a dangerous breed, just bad breeding and poor ownership!

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By *otsossieMan
over a year ago

Chesterfield

I feel like we’re circling in to the problem here - that Macho types want to intimidate and so go for these breeds.

It’s similar to the problems with “legal highs”. As soon as they banned them, someone came up with a subtle variant which was, if anything, worse - just difficult enough to get around the law.

It’s a social problem.

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By *addad99Man
over a year ago

Rotherham /newquay

Why would you want the penalties for benefit claimants and council tenants to be harsher?

I would say because there is a clear defined trend for a certain group of criminals who are not part of the working public to own and breed aggressive dog breeds for protection and income.

And they will ban breed X, and the criminals will move to breed Y, and breed Y will be banned etc etc as infinitum.

Dealing with the people behind the breeding is the only way to get dogs out of the hands of those who want them just as weapons.

Unemployed criminals? I asked about benefit claimants and council tenants.

People assume that all people on benefits who live in council houses are unemployed, and that only those people own dangerous dogs.wrong but very common look. At most council estates then look at private homes

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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

I agree. I take take it that these attacks happens as they dont wear a leash? They should also enforce the use of it more too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why would you want the penalties for benefit claimants and council tenants to be harsher?

I would say because there is a clear defined trend for a certain group of criminals who are not part of the working public to own and breed aggressive dog breeds for protection and income.

And they will ban breed X, and the criminals will move to breed Y, and breed Y will be banned etc etc as infinitum.

Dealing with the people behind the breeding is the only way to get dogs out of the hands of those who want them just as weapons.

Unemployed criminals? I asked about benefit claimants and council tenants.

People assume that all people on benefits who live in council houses are unemployed, and that only those people own dangerous dogs.

Not quite, but good effort.

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By *tanley FunseekerMan
over a year ago

stanley

Can’t we just deport them to Rwanda?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Ban the HS.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Banning the breed won’t matter as the dickheads that can’t be arsed to look after and train these dogs will find a different big scary breed to look hard with, licensed ownership and insurance is the way forward.

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By *akedMechanicMan
over a year ago

Manchester

Allow the breed make people have licenses to own them that is picked up when the chip is scanned. When a bad occurance happens then the owner has their license revoked and is unable to have one

It's the type of people that tend to have XL Bullies that are the problem not the actual dogs

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By *ealMissShadyWoman
over a year ago

St Albans/ Welsh Borders

Why would you want the penalties for benefit claimants and council tenants to be harsher?

I would say because there is a clear defined trend for a certain group of criminals who are not part of the working public to own and breed aggressive dog breeds for protection and income.

And they will ban breed X, and the criminals will move to breed Y, and breed Y will be banned etc etc as infinitum.

Dealing with the people behind the breeding is the only way to get dogs out of the hands of those who want them just as weapons.

Unemployed criminals? I asked about benefit claimants and council tenants."

We helped uncover a puppy farm running from a council house, puppies being distributed to Cardiff to be shown in a lovely house with their 'parents' we were told that this is what happens; puppy farms operate in plain sight on housing estates, usually council houses...Unregistered and under the radar, we only knew because the stupid bitch left the Pups alone and we could hear crying knowing that she had disappeared. When Police entered the property they found dead puppies lying in filth, the remaining Pups had to be PTS because they were too traumatised by their ordeal...a bitch was seized, she'd recently given birth and had untreated mastitis...it was heartbreaking truly heartbreaking.

People think Puppy farms are in remote locations, more often than not they aren't.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

u for real?????

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

Why would you want the penalties for benefit claimants and council tenants to be harsher?

I would say because there is a clear defined trend for a certain group of criminals who are not part of the working public to own and breed aggressive dog breeds for protection and income.

And they will ban breed X, and the criminals will move to breed Y, and breed Y will be banned etc etc as infinitum.

Dealing with the people behind the breeding is the only way to get dogs out of the hands of those who want them just as weapons."

WOW JUST WOW!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why would you want the penalties for benefit claimants and council tenants to be harsher?

I would say because there is a clear defined trend for a certain group of criminals who are not part of the working public to own and breed aggressive dog breeds for protection and income.

And they will ban breed X, and the criminals will move to breed Y, and breed Y will be banned etc etc as infinitum.

Dealing with the people behind the breeding is the only way to get dogs out of the hands of those who want them just as weapons.

WOW JUST WOW!!!"

If this makes you wow, then you need to spend some time in Anfield or L7

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

Those god dam filthy lowlife scum in council houses ! Jeez!

never heard such a load of stereo typing! Init! Bro!

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By *addad99Man
over a year ago

Rotherham /newquay

u for real?????"
completely why what's your problem

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

u for real????? completely why what's your problem "

I don't have 1 myself!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Those god dam filthy lowlife scum in council houses ! Jeez!

never heard such a load of stereo typing! Init! Bro!"

Tell us you live in the suburbs in a gated community and like a bit of rough without telling us.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"Those god dam filthy lowlife scum in council houses ! Jeez!

never heard such a load of stereo typing! Init! Bro!

Tell us you live in the suburbs in a gated community and like a bit of rough without telling us.

I'm proud to live in a council house on a lovely council estate with my labrador dog!

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By *addad99Man
over a year ago

Rotherham /newquay

"Those god dam filthy lowlife scum in council houses ! Jeez!

never heard such a load of stereo typing! Init! Bro!

Tell us you live in the suburbs in a gated community and like a bit of rough without telling us.

I'm proud to live in a council house on a lovely council estate with my labrador dog!"
that's great for you and it's how it should be but you are an exception not the rule

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"Those god dam filthy lowlife scum in council houses ! Jeez!

never heard such a load of stereo typing! Init! Bro!

Tell us you live in the suburbs in a gated community and like a bit of rough without telling us.

I'm proud to live in a council house on a lovely council estate with my labrador dog! that's great for you and it's how it should be but you are an exception not the rule "

Umm nope! I'm the norm for council tenants! The bad ones are the exception to the rule!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reports that these dogs may be banned by the Home Secretary after a strong of attacks. Should the buggers be banned

It's all over the news"

The problem is at the other end of the leash/lead not the collar end

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By *aeganaWoman
over a year ago

birmingham

I believe its more the owner than the dog. Also not all bully breeds are aggressive I have an old English bulldog who's 9 months old and he's the biggest softy you would ever meet. Difference if he's trained and socialised not trained to be violent.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Some of these dogs have been bred to fight. It's just what they do. Should we ban the buggers..

Do we support the Home Secretary?

This is not about politics

It's about the safety of our children as well as adults

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By *tooveMan
over a year ago

belfast

I'd rather wee rats like yorkies are banned.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think many people don't really know the true extent of their dogs' potential violence. Out of interest, how many of you who say that your dogs wouldn't harm anyone would attack somebody who was harming you?

Bess

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By *ealMissShadyWoman
over a year ago

St Albans/ Welsh Borders

"I think many people don't really know the true extent of their dogs' potential violence. Out of interest, how many of you who say that your dogs wouldn't harm anyone would attack somebody who was harming you?

Bess "

Mine would, but a muzzled 56k German Shepherd is enough of a deterrent ....Hence me walking him on lead away from others and always muzzled.

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By *ewels74Woman
over a year ago

Dundee/Angus/Blackpool

May i say that i am part of the Dog showing community and you couldn't find better natures. and i do mean every breed, yes some can be testy but the owners are the type who will constantly be in control always.

I was a regular around the German Shepherds as i used to show and breed them as well and the one thing about the German shepherd is they were the first breed who were tattooed before any other breed back in the 80s and then of course Microchipping happened, they are trained hard and i do mean hard, and all mine had the perfect temperment.

Cocker Spaniels i also have and still have and all have the most wonderful attitudes but the first one i was given to rehome around 30 odd yrs ago almost took my finger off and im scarred all down finger and we think back then he was badly treated by people with children, but now the lines i have, you couldnd think better.

Sorry i know long winded, and stuff just my thoughts

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

dangerous dog should come with a licence and the owners need to go through thorough training. Yes an attack dog used incorrectly and these dogs like anything else have been modified and weaponised. Trained right they are excellent dogs. Working dogs.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

"dangerous dog should come with a licence and the owners need to go through thorough training. Yes an attack dog used incorrectly and these dogs like anything else have been modified and weaponised. Trained right they are excellent dogs. Working dogs."

No-one who owns these dog's uses them as working dog's.

They are status symbols and used to scare people by people who are not going to attend a training course let alone be a responsible owner.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

Why would you want the penalties for benefit claimants and council tenants to be harsher?

I would say because there is a clear defined trend for a certain group of criminals who are not part of the working public to own and breed aggressive dog breeds for protection and income.

And they will ban breed X, and the criminals will move to breed Y, and breed Y will be banned etc etc as infinitum.

Dealing with the people behind the breeding is the only way to get dogs out of the hands of those who want them just as weapons.

Unemployed criminals? I asked about benefit claimants and council tenants.

People think Puppy farms are in remote locations, more often than not they aren't. "

Very true.

We rented one of our property's in Spain to a Belgian guy a couple of years ago on a winter let.

We were out of the country and the let was done through an agent who knew about our no dogs policy.

Unknown to us the guy moved in with a breeding pair of XL Bully type dogs and within a short time they had a litter (not sure of the exact number but a neighbour reckoned there were eleven) that were raised in (and wrecked) our house. The neighbour also told us that he and his friend were taking the pups back to Belgium and selling them for around 2000€ apiece.

His initial rental contract was for 3 months but it took us another 3 to get him out and only after the police were involved after one of his dogs attacked and seriously injured one of the neighbours dogs.

I would just add that the house is not some remote farm house. It is in a busy urbanisation with resident families and only around 250 metres from a school.

We ended up (even after keeping his deposit) about 3000€ out of pocket. Needless to say we fired the agent.

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By *ealMissShadyWoman
over a year ago

St Albans/ Welsh Borders

Why would you want the penalties for benefit claimants and council tenants to be harsher?

I would say because there is a clear defined trend for a certain group of criminals who are not part of the working public to own and breed aggressive dog breeds for protection and income.

And they will ban breed X, and the criminals will move to breed Y, and breed Y will be banned etc etc as infinitum.

Dealing with the people behind the breeding is the only way to get dogs out of the hands of those who want them just as weapons.

Unemployed criminals? I asked about benefit claimants and council tenants.

People think Puppy farms are in remote locations, more often than not they aren't.

Very true.

We rented one of our property's in Spain to a Belgian guy a couple of years ago on a winter let.

We were out of the country and the let was done through an agent who knew about our no dogs policy.

I would just add that the house is not some remote farm house. It is in a busy urbanisation with resident families and only around 250 metres from a school.

We ended up (even after keeping his deposit) about 3000€ out of pocket. Needless to say we fired the agent."

That's bloody awful! These people are the scum of the earth...And yep, these are one branch of a huge operation spanning miles, these people were connected to Cardif, Birmingham and Manchester....they use small locations so operations can be shut down quickly and moved elsewhere

One thing is for sure I will never give another penny to the RSPCA....they did not want to know, told us to report to environmental health, we did, they told us to report to RSPCA, tried again, they literally hung up on ms mid conversation. Ended up my husband broke into the shed where the puppies were locked and reported himself to the Police.

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

They are status symbols and used to scare people by people who are not going to attend a training course let alone be a responsible owner.

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Totally agree, responsible owners will attend but they're not the problem.

Imagine wannabe gangsterboy sitting attentively in a classroom being lectured by Barbara Woodhouse!

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

" Ended up my husband broke into the shed where the puppies were locked and reported himself to the Police. "

Did he report himself for burglary?

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By *ravelling_WilburyMan
over a year ago

Beverley

This dog only came about for defense and for fighting. It's the fault of the breeders and the owners - the thing shouldn't even exist. They are fucking terrifying and the worst part is, they rarely fall into the had a of a loving owner who wants them as a pet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Are dogs dangerous.. Sex is dangerous op if let off the leash..

Dogs licence will not deter. Dogs are trained by their owners. Should XL Dogs get banned yes.

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By *ealMissShadyWoman
over a year ago

St Albans/ Welsh Borders

" Ended up my husband broke into the shed where the puppies were locked and reported himself to the Police.

Did he report himself for burglary?"

No burglary took place, he reported himself for breaking and entering.

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By *adbod2godbodMan
over a year ago

Manchester

Are some dogs more aggressive than others due to breeding(not just breed by breed but particular traits within particular dogs)? Yes. Are some dogs equipped with jaws strong enough to rip flesh from bone and break that bone? Yes. Are some dogs stronger than their owners? Yes.

I've met rottweilers who have come from good stock, and been in good homes who have been amazing family members. I've seen runty little shit sticks of dog be mistreated by their breeders and subsequent owners rip the shit out of other dogs and bite people

A dog like a person if mistreated is more likely to lash out. Treat a dog well, give it rules to abided to, and you'll have a friend for life

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

Dog owners have got more and more selfish over the years!

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

" Ended up my husband broke into the shed where the puppies were locked and reported himself to the Police.

Did he report himself for burglary?

No burglary took place, he reported himself for breaking and entering. "

What did the police do?

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By *ealMissShadyWoman
over a year ago

St Albans/ Welsh Borders

" Ended up my husband broke into the shed where the puppies were locked and reported himself to the Police.

Did he report himself for burglary?

No burglary took place, he reported himself for breaking and entering.

What did the police do?"

When the Police saw the state of the place and puppies dead and dying absolutely nothing...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No-one who owns these dog's uses them as working dog's.

They are status symbols and used to scare people by people who are not going to attend a training course let alone be a responsible owner.

I know

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By *entlemanrogueMan
over a year ago

Motherwell

"Reports that these dogs may be banned by the Home Secretary after a strong of attacks. Should the buggers be banned

It's all over the news

The entire breed of "Conservative MPs" should also be banned.

Generally, I don't believe that any breed of dog is inherently dangerous, I think individual dogs become dangerous due to how they are treated & trained.

Cal"

Ban the MPs the dirty dogs.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

If you compare a XL Bully to a gun then it is an assault rifle and a spaniel is a small airgun.

We allow airguns but not assault rifles.

Ban these buggers..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If you compare a XL Bully to a gun then it is an assault rifle and a spaniel is a small airgun.

We allow airguns but not assault rifles.

Ban these buggers..

Ban the breeding and hold the breeders to account for modifying a dangerous weapon.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If you compare a XL Bully to a gun then it is an assault rifle and a spaniel is a small airgun.

We allow airguns but not assault rifles.

Ban these buggers..

Ban the breeding and hold the breeders to account for modifying a dangerous weapon."

Dogs being bred to order.

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By *omeotherguyMan
over a year ago

Derbyshire

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ban the bad owners"

This.

Bad owners create bad dogs.

Any dog can bite given the wrong circumstance if you step on it's paw/tail and this is understandable as its a natural reaction for the dog and it shouldn't be banned because of this.

but training it to be specifically dangerous should be a crime. It's not the dogs fault in that instance and it should be the owner that gets punished

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By *omeotherguyMan
over a year ago

Derbyshire

Guns can be fine if people use them in the right way, but they don't and won't, so they are illegal except for specific people.

What is the difference with certain breeds of dogs? I hold every sympathy for those who know these dogs can be raised the right way, but I have more sympathy for this injured or killed because of owners that didn't raise them the right way.

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By *omeotherguyMan
over a year ago

Derbyshire

"Ban the bad owners

This.

Bad owners create bad dogs.

Any dog can bite given the wrong circumstance if you step on it's paw/tail and this is understandable as its a natural reaction for the dog and it shouldn't be banned because of this.

but training it to be specifically dangerous should be a crime. It's not the dogs fault in that instance and it should be the owner that gets punished "

Well you know they are a bad owner after the dog has injured someone. The point of any action is to prevent that injury to people so this doesn't work unfortunately.

Proving someone is a bad owner without any actual consequences is impossible.

But one thing that isn't prosecuted is when when one dog attacks another, and this could be dealt with a lot better.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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It is two fold the breeders and the owners that use these dogs as a status symbol and bred to order. These dogs have been altered genetically and basically been put on steroids.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ban the bad owners

This.

Bad owners create bad dogs.

Any dog can bite given the wrong circumstance if you step on it's paw/tail and this is understandable as its a natural reaction for the dog and it shouldn't be banned because of this.

but training it to be specifically dangerous should be a crime. It's not the dogs fault in that instance and it should be the owner that gets punished

Well you know they are a bad owner after the dog has injured someone. The point of any action is to prevent that injury to people so this doesn't work unfortunately.

Proving someone is a bad owner without any actual consequences is impossible.

But one thing that isn't prosecuted is when when one dog attacks another, and this could be dealt with a lot better."

This is where a dog licence comes into effect when you get your dog chipped.

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By *alldarkhandsomedaveMan
over a year ago

Derby

Most definitely they should be banned, can’t see a reason why you’d even want a dog like that.

And to fix any issues with all other breeds, EVERY dog should be on a short lead AT ALL TIMES when in public.

I don’t want your dog sniffing me, jumping up me, chasing around my kids and don’t forget about them doing their business that doesn’t get cleaned up. Because owners like dogs doesn’t mean everyone else does.

If you want to exercise it off the lead, take it to private land!

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By *omeotherguyMan
over a year ago

Derbyshire

"Ban the bad owners

This.

Bad owners create bad dogs.

Any dog can bite given the wrong circumstance if you step on it's paw/tail and this is understandable as its a natural reaction for the dog and it shouldn't be banned because of this.

but training it to be specifically dangerous should be a crime. It's not the dogs fault in that instance and it should be the owner that gets punished

Well you know they are a bad owner after the dog has injured someone. The point of any action is to prevent that injury to people so this doesn't work unfortunately.

Proving someone is a bad owner without any actual consequences is impossible.

But one thing that isn't prosecuted is when when one dog attacks another, and this could be dealt with a lot better.

This is where a dog licence comes into effect when you get your dog chipped."

But how does that prove someone is a bad owner?

Most on the roads have licenses but may still drive like tw*ts and for this reason a friend of mine lost has 24 year old step daughter recently. But they were are all licensed.

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By *omeotherguyMan
over a year ago

Derbyshire

"Most definitely they should be banned, can’t see a reason why you’d even want a dog like that.

And to fix any issues with all other breeds, EVERY dog should be on a short lead AT ALL TIMES when in public.

If you want to exercise it off the lead, take it to private land! "

Agree with the lead, and in some cases a muzzle also.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So XL BULLY is an american crossbreed.

It is not recognised as a breed in the Royal Kennel Club.

All fatalities involving dog attacks between 2021 and 2023 were by the XL BULLY

It is a dog that already has aggressive behaviour, to train it to attack according to facts on Royal Kennel Club is dangerous.

I know what you say op about guns but op your post is about XL Bully an american breed not registered at Royal Kennel Club. Has caused many fatalities

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ban the bad owners

This.

Bad owners create bad dogs.

Any dog can bite given the wrong circumstance if you step on it's paw/tail and this is understandable as its a natural reaction for the dog and it shouldn't be banned because of this.

but training it to be specifically dangerous should be a crime. It's not the dogs fault in that instance and it should be the owner that gets punished

Well you know they are a bad owner after the dog has injured someone. The point of any action is to prevent that injury to people so this doesn't work unfortunately.

Proving someone is a bad owner without any actual consequences is impossible.

But one thing that isn't prosecuted is when when one dog attacks another, and this could be dealt with a lot better.

This is where a dog licence comes into effect when you get your dog chipped.

But how does that prove someone is a bad owner?

Most on the roads have licenses but may still drive like tw*ts and for this reason a friend of mine lost has 24 year old step daughter recently. But they were are all licensed."

Hopefully eek out the bad owners. But obviously xl bullies are not your average dog are they. To ban the breed you have to go back to the source and how can we know that when we don't know how many Bully dogs are out there. At least with a licence we have some idea.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"Most definitely they should be banned, can’t see a reason why you’d even want a dog like that.

And to fix any issues with all other breeds, EVERY dog should be on a short lead AT ALL TIMES when in public.

If you want to exercise it off the lead, take it to private land! "

Hit the nail on the head there!

The National Trust has put in a lovely pathed woodland walk in near our village.

The signs, at every entrance, clearly say that dogs MUST be on a short lead at all times, and all mess must be bagged and binned.

It's anything but! Dogs on long leads, dogs off lead, dog crap everywhere, or bagged and left on tree branches.

When I've questioned these people, it's the usual stock answer "everyone else has their dog running free".

Selfish people! Dogs can't read signs but owners certainly can!

Have a dog and just think that you can do what you want!

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By *engobeggsMan
over a year ago

birmingham

A dog will always reflect it’s owner no such thing as a bad dog just bad owners

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Travelling

"A dog will always reflect it’s owner no such thing as a bad dog just bad owners"

Plenty of bad dogs. Some dogs are absolute arseholes because they have their own personalities, just like humans. Some dogs are extremely confident and confrontational, rude and brash without any input from the owner.

Some dogs have extremely high prey drives, or a desire to work. Some, even of the same breed just don't have the same intensity to that instinct. Exactly the reasons why plenty of dogs don't pass training, and trials to be working dogs.

Livestock guardians for example have deeply ingrained protective traits, even among the more timid. Malinois LOVE to bite, they live for that shit.

A good owner however, will attempt to redirect that personality towards a productive outlet. That is what makes a good owner, one that knows what breed they have and what that breed needs within the realms of its own personality. In addition to socialising and desensitisation for the dog to be calm in situations.

The major difference between dogs and humans in this regard is dogs respond better to boundaries better than humans.

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By *omeotherguyMan
over a year ago

Derbyshire

"A dog will always reflect it’s owner no such thing as a bad dog just bad owners"

That's like always blaming the parents, some are more likely to turn than others.

Animals also have mental health, can lash out etc just the same way as humans can and some breeds are way more prone to it.

This breed seems to be quite dangerous and for me should be banned. Licenses mean nothing and will cost a lot of money to be policed and ultimately won't be.

Licenses are great for accountability AFTER the event, we need to stop the problem before it happens and the only way is to remove this breed from the country.

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By *ensualplay69Man
over a year ago

slough

"Reports that these dogs may be banned by the Home Secretary after a strong of attacks. Should the buggers be banned

It's all over the news"

Yeah as an owner of one right this moment i think these dogs should be banned but not for the reasons you may think. An xl bully is nothing like a pitbull, this from someone whos owned one,at least with a pitbull you could train it to be violent or not but with bullies theyre a very confused dog very needy and the majority of times they're afraid of their own shadow, very jumpy. I feel because of all of these emotions it can trigger confusion and thats not good for a dog especially a dog that has all this power. I absolutely hate this breed and think we should just be allowed actual pitbulls

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So many comments saying it's down to the owner. And a lot of the time it is, but that doesn't take away the fact that those kind of breeds are dangerous to own. Any dog has the potential to snap at any moment, for no reason but the difference with a breed like XL bully is that you stand little chance of escaping without serious injuries.

You can't own a fucking tiger because it would rip you apart, so why be able to own a dog with such strength?

In Ireland they have restrictions on breeds of dog you can have. But you still see them roaming around, off leash with no muzzle and nothing ever happens to the owner. So what's the point of those restrictions in the first place?

I would be happy to see a rule enforced where all dogs must be muzzled in public and strict consequences and fines for those who don't follow the rules. But what are the chances anyone would listen anyway?

It's such a shame people aren't fucking sensible enough to follow basic rules.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This makes me think of all those rescued dogs who want to be loved disowned by owners. A dog is for life not christmas.

XL BULLY is not even recognised at The Royal Kennel club what I read today. My pov op

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By *ealMissShadyWoman
over a year ago

St Albans/ Welsh Borders

"A dog will always reflect it’s owner no such thing as a bad dog just bad owners"

Lots of factors come into play here. Has the puppy had enough time with litter mates honing those crucial skills needed along with learning about boundaries through play. What was the relationship like with the mother? Did she correct behaviours? Did the puppy attend training and were they given enough experiences which helped equip them for the outside world.

Owners of challenging dogs aren't bad, buy sometimes they make wrong choices through ot researching breed and breed types. For e.g as a first dog a German Shepherd isn't a great idea, or if you live in a flat with no Garden, exercise along with brain stimulatuon is key.... People just see the cute puppy and think great.

Not all dogs who are reactive are that way because of the owners, sometimes it's other people and their dogs, trainers who dont use positive reinforcememt methods, I know dogs who have been traumatised by bad training, Caeser Milan being a prime example, yhe Dog Daddy, people copy the methods with no clue.... rule one of dog training, the dog is fine, it's the owner who needs it. Any trainer who uses the term 'Alpha' needs a head wobble, training is about working with your dog, a partnership your a team and you have a duty to help him manage his enviromemnt, keep him safe, reassure him life is ok.

My dog is reactive, not because of anything I have done, he has working traits, he lives up to his shepherd name, to chase cars is instinct, he's naturally protective so he's unapproachable unless it's on his terms, come to my house and he's your best friend, approach him outside of it and he will react, he got attacked by another dog as a puppy which is when it started.... and it's not out of aggression it's fear, yep, the owner thought his Jack Russell was hilarious for attacking the Shepherd, I had to boot the fucking thing off him, but it wasnt his fault, it was his dopey owner who had him off lead and was able to approach my dog...The owner deserved the boot but instead he got a very big Vets bill sent to him.... I am sure that put a smile on his face....

8 years on and my boy can play with other dogs for short periods, it's taken a lot of training and a lot patience to get here.... one wrong move and that's it all undone. This is the thing about training, you can do it, but there needs to be consistency and maintenance and owners need that reminder not the dogs.

My boy loved his puppy classes and loved playing with other dogs until he got bit, then everyone was a threat, all that work unravelled in 5 seconds....

I can't train out his behaviours, no dog can be trained out of it and tbh even if I could I probably wouldnt but I can manage them..... He walks on lead and muzzled, which is great because nobody approaches him when he is muzzled, I always walk him on lead away from others, if other dogs approach that's ok, he will play for a few minutes which is enough time for the owner to see Little Pippin around the nasty muzzled Shepherd, and believe me nothing gets owners of off lead dogs sweating more than to see that.... I remind the owner of the importance of keeping their dog leashed.

If I want him to have some off lewd exercise and have some training time then I hire a secure private field off the local farmer.

I also walk him later on in the night when there are less people.

I am training his reactivity to cars at the moment, he's doing amazing, timing is everything, I acknowledge to him the car is coming then distract either by giving a treat or changing direction. It's working, last night he watched the car, checked in with me, I spoke to him, gave him his treat and he carried on.

Before anyone undertakes training I would strongly suggest knowing your dog, knowing his breed traits and having and understanding of his personality.

Pick your trainer who teaches positive reinforcement and be clear about what you want to achieve (remember, the dog is fine)

Be consistent...

Make sure everyone in the household is on the same page and consistent

Remember your dog is your friend, your responsibility to help him navigate the world and situations and keep him safe.

Look at what you feed them, diet can impact behaviour..... Choose wisely, All About Dog Food is a great tool for checking out how nutritious your dogs food is.... My dog is BARF fed and has kibble which is 90% protein... Millies Wolfheart, Eden are the only brands I use, to raw feed isnt as expensive as people think. My dog costs me around £80 a month including the high grade kibble and treats.

Lastly dont forget to have fun with your dog, that with consistency can build strong relationships

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By *ealMissShadyWoman
over a year ago

St Albans/ Welsh Borders

Forgot to mention illness, maybe dogs react because of illness and being in pain, sometimes owners miss it because dogs can sometimes mask pain

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nobody needs to own a dog this big. I'd support a ban on all dogs over a certain size along with a fair few smaller breeds.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reports that these dogs may be banned by the Home Secretary after a strong of attacks. Should the buggers be banned

It's all over the news"

Yes, the Home Secretary should be banned.

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By *iltsTSgirlTV/TS
over a year ago

chichester

"Reports that these dogs may be banned by the Home Secretary after a strong of attacks. Should the buggers be banned

It's all over the news

Yes, the Home Secretary should be banned."

lol true that

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By *layfullsamMan
over a year ago

Solihull

"Reports that these dogs may be banned by the Home Secretary after a strong of attacks. Should the buggers be banned

It's all over the news"

Should be retrained to keep hand holding octopuses off the beaches

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By *addad99Man
over a year ago

Rotherham /newquay

"So many comments saying it's down to the owner. And a lot of the time it is, but that doesn't take away the fact that those kind of breeds are dangerous to own. Any dog has the potential to snap at any moment, for no reason but the difference with a breed like XL bully is that you stand little chance of escaping without serious injuries.

You can't own a fucking tiger because it would rip you apart, so why be able to own a dog with such strength?

It's such a shame people aren't fucking sensible enough to follow basic rules. "
totally agree muppets

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By *razytimesinloveCouple
over a year ago

SW Scotland

Only dogs I’ve ever been bitten by are Jack Russells and terriers. Usually find them off the lead with elderly owners unable to chase their own dogs when they run off.

People cross the road when they see us coming with our cane corso cross. She’s only a danger to someone if they trip over her when she’s sleeping

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

According to this video. American Bully's make up 1% of the dogs in Britain, but account for 73% of dog attack deaths since the start of 2022.

https://youtu.be/lY0LX10p5OU?si=j07uQPzyy4SJcIrj

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Only dogs I’ve ever been bitten by are Jack Russells and terriers. Usually find them off the lead with elderly owners unable to chase their own dogs when they run off.

People cross the road when they see us coming with our cane corso cross. She’s only a danger to someone if they trip over her when she’s sleeping "

The difference is that when a Jack Russell bites you may get a little cut.

When a huge dog attacks, you're fucked.

Just ban dogs above 20kg. Plenty of little ones to enjoy.

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By *irthy89888Man
over a year ago

Barnsley

Banning isn’t the solution owners like them will find another breed then another then another.

If someone went on a rampage like that dog did they will get years in prison. Dogs can’t so instead of banning them. Make the owners take the punishment treat it the same as if it was the human doing it.

Instead they get a slap on the wrist

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Banning isn’t the solution owners like them will find another breed then another then another.

Wouldn't be an issue if the only choice of another breed was a small dog.

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Travelling

"Banning isn’t the solution owners like them will find another breed then another then another.

Wouldn't be an issue if the only choice of another breed was a small dog."

How small are we going here?

Because some of the worst dog bites recorded have been caused by ratting terriers. Patterdales in particular. They don't have the power of a pitbull but if you think you are walking away from that altercation with just a single cut inflicted by a terrier trained to bite, you are very much mistaken. They can hold their own quite well with the big boys when it comes to bite work

You would essentially be limiting it all to toy breeds.

Which means we say goodbye to ptsd support dogs, goodbye to medical alert dogs, goodbye to guide dogs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You would essentially be limiting it all to toy breeds.

Which means we say goodbye to ptsd support dogs, goodbye to medical alert dogs, goodbye to guide dogs. "

Why does a PTSD support dog need to be big? Or a medical alert dog?

I can accept an allowance may be needed for guide dogs and police dogs. But otherwise, we don't need big dogs.

As for Patterdale damage

I'll take my chances kicking off a Patterdale over a Rotty. Or a Staffy for that matter (which should also be banned much as we loved ours before he grew old and grumpy).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Only dogs I’ve ever been bitten by are Jack Russells and terriers. Usually find them off the lead with elderly owners unable to chase their own dogs when they run off.

People cross the road when they see us coming with our cane corso cross. She’s only a danger to someone if they trip over her when she’s sleeping

The difference is that when a Jack Russell bites you may get a little cut.

When a huge dog attacks, you're fucked.

Just ban dogs above 20kg. Plenty of little ones to enjoy."

After seeing a school friend attacked by a Jack, with half of her left cheek ripped off and teeth marks in the cheek and orbital bones I think you are full of it.

Any dog can kill. Any dog can maim and inflict life changing harm.

The number one dog that inflict harm to children according to Alder Heya records is the shitzu and then French bulldogs.

Banning a none breed will not work.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Funny how so many have a killer Jack Russell story

Nobody crosses the road because they fear a Jack Russell.

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich

Aren't they just renamed pit bulls?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Funny how so many have a killer Jack Russell story

Nobody crosses the road because they fear a Jack Russell."

Do you actually know what the Russel breed was bred to do?

Tear rabbits, ferrets and other small game from their burrows.

They are a breed of aggressive dog, just idiots think because they are small they are not dangerous.

Also, great to see you dismiss victims of dog attacks from breeds you don't understand. Wen Done mate, your a fucking keeper.

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Travelling

"Aren't they just renamed pit bulls? "

Pitbulls are not a breed, they are an umbrella term of different breeds that fall in to the bull terrier catagory.

The vast majority of what people call XL bullies are not actually XL bullies either.

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Travelling

"You would essentially be limiting it all to toy breeds.

Which means we say goodbye to ptsd support dogs, goodbye to medical alert dogs, goodbye to guide dogs.

Why does a PTSD support dog need to be big? Or a medical alert dog?

I can accept an allowance may be needed for guide dogs and police dogs. But otherwise, we don't need big dogs.

As for Patterdale damage

I'll take my chances kicking off a Patterdale over a Rotty. Or a Staffy for that matter (which should also be banned much as we loved ours before he grew old and grumpy)."

Go talk to bite work trainers about how resilient and tenacious a vicious terrier can be. Not as easy to just kick away as you might think. Again, these little dogs can hold their own against Malinois. You get the right breeding of traits and you have the same problem you have with the larger breeds.

Some PTSD breeds need to be large to offer certain aspects of comfort that a smaller dog can't provide. Medical alert very similar, for some conditions you need a dog that can use it's body and size.

In addition larger dogs are easier to train for these things, and take to the role much easier and reliable than a smaller breed does.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Funny how so many have a killer Jack Russell story

Nobody crosses the road because they fear a Jack Russell.

Do you actually know what the Russel breed was bred to do?

Tear rabbits, ferrets and other small game from their burrows.

They are a breed of aggressive dog, just idiots think because they are small they are not dangerous.

Also, great to see you dismiss victims of dog attacks from breeds you don't understand. Wen Done mate, your a fucking keeper."

The revelation that a tiny terrier was bred to hunt small mammals ain't a strong argument that a small dog isn't ever going to be the same potential risk as a huge dog.

Everyone knows Jack Russells are feisty little shits. Nobody cares because you can kick one for miles.

And this may come as a shock... but I'm not a zoo keeper. And I'm not your mate. But I may be an idiot.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Again, these little dogs can hold their own against Malinois"

Sure they can. And they hunt down humans in packs...

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley

Who, exactly, are the 'right people' who should be owning such dogs?

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Travelling

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Travelling

"Again, these little dogs can hold their own against Malinois

Sure they can. And they hunt down humans in packs..."

In bite training yes. Stop trying to take quotes out of context.

Especially when it's clear you are out of any kind of ammo for a rebutal to actual valid arguments presented to you. So the best you can do is pick a section of a quote, isolate it out of context and attempt poorly to cover your lack of knowledge on a subject in weak humour.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Again, these little dogs can hold their own against Malinois

Sure they can. And they hunt down humans in packs...

In bite training yes. Stop trying to take quotes out of context.

Strong response

I'm now utterly convinced that a tiny terrier is every bit as deadly as a huge hound.

The suggestion that big dogs can cause more serious injury and are more difficult to control than small dogs makes no sense at all. I see that now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Another death (attacked by two dogs).

The breed hasn't yet been confirmed. If it turns out to be Jack Russells then please accept my apologies for my earlier ignorance.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can't believe I'm saying this... but well done Rishi (assuming he sticks to his word).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Only dogs I’ve ever been bitten by are Jack Russells and terriers. Usually find them off the lead with elderly owners unable to chase their own dogs when they run off.

Same

And yes it fucking hurts!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ban the bad owners"

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley

I've no idea what an XL Bully dog is but surely giving it such a stupid name is going to encourage ownership?

Keep hearing about them now on the radio, so cue a widespread interest in owning one!

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By *ellinever70Woman
over a year ago

Ayrshire

The clip of the guy who got mauled a few days ago was harrowing

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

After watching the video of a 10 year old boy in Walsall getting attacked by a dog and receiving horrific injuries, I would say there are more breeds that need banning.

The sooner the better.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"After watching the video of a 10 year old boy in Walsall getting attacked by a dog and receiving horrific injuries, I would say there are more breeds that need banning.

The sooner the better."

Agreed .. let's take these terror dogs off the streets

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By *inkywife1981Couple
over a year ago

A town near you

Why not just enforce dog licences and only issue licences for certain breeds for people who need guard dogs and for security work.

Stop the chavs etc from having large powerful dogs in housing estates and public areas that have potential to kill.

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley

A ban should help Sunak's election prospects!

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By *warf with a mulletMan
over a year ago

barry

"Guns aren't dangerous, people are"

Guns are not dangerous,you can smack and kick a gun,not feed or exercise it for years,it won't jump out of a window on its own and kill someone.

Big powerful dogs bread by idiots and living with inexperienced owners , are unfortunately potentially very dangerous.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Guns aren't dangerous, people are

Guns are not dangerous,you can smack and kick a gun,not feed or exercise it for years,it won't jump out of a window on its own and kill someone.

Big powerful dogs bread by idiots and living with inexperienced owners , are unfortunately potentially very dangerous.

Even if they muzzle these nuggets they can still escape through a window

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

XL bullies serve no purpose but to maim and to kill. It is a breed of dog and does not need to exist.

Banning them will not stop these owners who want a big, aggressive dogs for status and to intimidate. Licencing. Make the owner fully responsible for their dog and take the consequences for its behaviour and ban those who present clear and present danger and or neglegence.

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By *oadsafun1960Man
over a year ago

Somerset & Hertfordshire

It's not necessarily the dog that's the issue, but as many have pointed out, it's the owners that are at fault.

I've know people with bulldogs etc who have the loveliest of dogs who you couldn't help but adore, but the common factor with them being so good is the dedication of the owner, ensuring they understand the dog and train it well and treat it kindly.

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By *orny-DJMan
over a year ago

Leigh-on-Sea

In the 70s it was Dobermans. In the 80s it was the German Shepherd. In the 90s the Rottweiler and in the early 2000s the Pit bull.

When will they realise that the problem is at the other end of the lead?

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By *ewels74Woman
over a year ago

Dundee/Angus/Blackpool

To be honest i highly doubt this breed will have been microchipped which is mandatory in all breeds and also with cats btw.

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By *ewels74Woman
over a year ago

Dundee/Angus/Blackpool

"I've no idea what an XL Bully dog is but surely giving it such a stupid name is going to encourage ownership?

Keep hearing about them now on the radio, so cue a widespread interest in owning one!"

The Bullypit is not a purebred dog. It is a cross between the American Bulldog and the American Pit Bull Terrier. The best way to determine the temperament of a mixed breed is to look up all breeds in the cross and know you can get any combination of any of the characteristics found in either breed.

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

"In the 70s it was Dobermans. In the 80s it was the German Shepherd. In the 90s the Rottweiler and in the early 2000s the Pit bull.

When will they realise that the problem is at the other end of the lead?"

The owner didn’t attack the child in Walsall, the dog did.

Although It was roaming free so must have escaped.

Thing is, no dog then no problem.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Whilst I agree something needs to be done banned a breed, well not even a breed but a type of dog, is not the answer. Unfortunately I don't know what the answer is.

Rescues that are already over run are bound to see a massive increase in numbers of this type been abandoned/neglected etc.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

If society allows these dogs to continue then surely citizens can carry guns

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

"If society allows these dogs to continue then surely citizens can carry guns"

For protection against the hounds of hell..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The clip of the guy who got mauled a few days ago was harrowing "

Yup, horrendous.

Absolutely nothing you can do against a dog with that strength. And how people can compare them to small breeds blows my mind. If that was a small terrier, or even a bigger breed like a lab or spaniel that man would still be alive. I imagine those kind of attacks only prove fatal when against children and unsupervised.

We just need to get rid of these dogs as soon as possible. But I can imagine this ban won't have much of an effect.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

These dogs he gave no place in a civilized society...

Get rid of these evil buggers but we will still have the half wit owners...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think the owners need to be looked into also, dogs like children are raised and taught what they know

you teach a child or an animal to be a cunt and that’s exactly what they’ll be

simples

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why not just enforce dog licences and only issue licences for certain breeds for people who need guard dogs and for security work.

Stop the chavs etc from having large powerful dogs in housing estates and public areas that have potential to kill."

Probably the best solution.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

I don't think banning particular kinds of dogs is the solution.

Dogs and animals in general aren't inherently nasty or violent. This sort of behaviour is usually due to fear, abuse or other actions by the owner.

We need more robust breeding and ownership legislation that is quickly and easily enforceable.

The vast majority of dog owners don't train them at all. Others mistreat or neglect them through malice or ignorance. This is what needs addressing... no idea exactly how though.

Nita

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

These dogs are bred to fight and kill.. not pets .

Evil buggers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hmm I think most dogs do have some inherent aggression. Usually towards other animals rather than humans but still.

Of course owners should be held responsible but seems to me that removing the most dangerous dogs will rather obviously make dog attacks less serious if not less frequent (but likely that too).

We just don't need these types of dogs. Most of them (maybe all of them?) are only here because humans bred them into existence anyway.

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By *rlandoMan
over a year ago

Lincolnshire

ban stupid posts about fucking dogs

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"ban stupid posts about fucking dogs "

Fucking dogs is against the law surely

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By *ndycoinsMan
over a year ago

Whaley Bridge,Nr Buxton,

"These dogs are bred to fight and kill.. not pets .

Evil buggers"

To be weapons of criminals without legal consequences.Firearm without licence or in public = custodial.Knife with a blade over 3 inch in public = conviction possible custodial.Dog as a potential weapon = nothing.

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By *irty_DeedsMan
over a year ago

Teesside

"Hmm I think most dogs do have some inherent aggression. Usually towards other animals rather than humans but still.

Of course owners should be held responsible but seems to me that removing the most dangerous dogs will rather obviously make dog attacks less serious if not less frequent (but likely that too).

We just don't need these types of dogs. Most of them (maybe all of them?) are only here because humans bred them into existence anyway.

"
Who gets to decide what we need and dont need? I personally think any dog I can stand on and kill by accident is the most ridiculous thing in the world. Shall we ban all those yapping little viscious fuckers?

Been bit by dogs a few times. It's never been a dangerous breed, just some little yappy fashion accessory.

Bullies are lovely dogs. My mate has 3 of them and they are some of the best trained dogs I've ever saw Punishing good owners because of the bad is a ridiculous concept.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

XL Bullies are extra large American Pitbull Terriers. The breed has no legitimate reason to exist. No more reason than your mobile phone. It is entirely manade. Ban them.

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By *irty_DeedsMan
over a year ago

Teesside

"XL Bullies are extra large American Pitbull Terriers. The breed has no legitimate reason to exist. No more reason than your mobile phone. It is entirely manade. Ban them. "
If that's a legit reason to ban something it's pretty ironic doing it from a phone, via the Internet

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By *inkywife1981Couple
over a year ago

A town near you

I'm 5ft11 and 16 stone If I got attacked by a labrador or border collie Im Confident I could fight it off relatively unscathed.

If I were attacked by a "dangerous breed" I'm not so confident!

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By *ames-77Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

No such thing as a bad dog just a bad owner

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By *icked Game You PlayMan
over a year ago

Perth

"A dog will always reflect it’s owner no such thing as a bad dog just bad owners"
Exactly,well said.Alsatians(GSD),Rottweilers,Staffordshire Terriers and Dobermans were the devil dogs in the 80’’s.A working collie or Patterdale will take a chunk out you in a second,ask any rural postie,farm dogs can be brutal.License and vet(like a disclosure when dog gets chipped)the owners and don’t ban another breed because of these cases.

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By *.nottsbloke..Man
over a year ago

the vale

"Ban the bad owners"

Yup cage the dogs shoot the owners

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don’t understand it, Ripper is such a lovely dog, he’s never hurt a soul. Until he mauled little Emily to death, obviously.

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley

A bloke I see in the pub has tattoos of snarling pit bulls on his arms and shoulders and I'm told he's the gentlest and most respected man in the area.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A bloke I see in the pub has tattoos of snarling pit bulls on his arms and shoulders and I'm told he's the gentlest and most respected man in the area."

Of course he is - he only beats people up because he cares so much

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Incredible to see how many on this thread have been bitten by savage little dogs. But never so much as an angry woof from a bully.

Amazing.

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By *inkywife1981Couple
over a year ago

A town near you

"Incredible to see how many on this thread have been bitten by savage little dogs. But never so much as an angry woof from a bully.

Amazing."

Unfortunately those that tangled with a vicious breed can't be here to tell their story, it's hard to type when your hands and arms have been mauled

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By *ankman69Man
over a year ago

WILLENHALL

The dog breed is sone for one reason, aggression no other reason in this world to own one, they are not cute cuddly lap dogs.

They are a mix for aggression only and it’s right to ban them, the breeders are at fault but we cannot ban stupid,

If this year alone they have killed six and injured a lot more, if you were in them family’s you would not be having this debate.

Yes a lab can kill but unlike other breeds it not a breed made to act look and behave in an aggressive manor.

My sympathy's lay with the family’s who have lost loved ones on this matter, hail the breeders of dog like this

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By *irty_DeedsMan
over a year ago

Teesside

"Incredible to see how many on this thread have been bitten by savage little dogs. But never so much as an angry woof from a bully.

Amazing.

Unfortunately those that tangled with a vicious breed can't be here to tell their story, it's hard to type when your hands and arms have been mauled"
Various dog breeds have been branded dangerous since I was a kid and every single one of them that I've been around have been some of the best, friendliest dogs I've saw.

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By *itonthesideWoman
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Hmm I think most dogs do have some inherent aggression. Usually towards other animals rather than humans but still.

Of course owners should be held responsible but seems to me that removing the most dangerous dogs will rather obviously make dog attacks less serious if not less frequent (but likely that too).

We just don't need these types of dogs. Most of them (maybe all of them?) are only here because humans bred them into existence anyway.

Who gets to decide what we need and dont need? I personally think any dog I can stand on and kill by accident is the most ridiculous thing in the world. Shall we ban all those yapping little viscious fuckers?

Been bit by dogs a few times. It's never been a dangerous breed, just some little yappy fashion accessory.

Bullies are lovely dogs. My mate has 3 of them and they are some of the best trained dogs I've ever saw Punishing good owners because of the bad is a ridiculous concept."

I guess the point is there will be gentle and well trained dogs of all breeds and vicious untrained dogs of all breeds.

The difference is the build, bite, impact of the badly trained vicious lot is not consistent across breeds. Allowing the bad owners access to what then becomes a more dangerous outcome needs to stop.

Its already been said that no dogs are going to be culled, future breeding just stops because they will all be neutered. Surely this is the next scenario as nobodys pet is going to die but the risk of these dogs landing with bad owners in future dies out

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By *itonthesideWoman
over a year ago

Glasgow

*best not next

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

The Chief Vet for England has said that the dogs will be muzzled in public but in the latest to attacks they escaped from their homes. In one case the dogs jumped out of an open window. There will be more tragedy mark Toms words

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley

"The Chief Vet for England has said that the dogs will be muzzled in public but in the latest to attacks they escaped from their homes. In one case the dogs jumped out of an open window. There will be more tragedy mark Toms words"

What about Scotland and Wales?

May we expect unmuzzling at the borders?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hmm I think most dogs do have some inherent aggression. Usually towards other animals rather than humans but still.

Of course owners should be held responsible but seems to me that removing the most dangerous dogs will rather obviously make dog attacks less serious if not less frequent (but likely that too).

We just don't need these types of dogs. Most of them (maybe all of them?) are only here because humans bred them into existence anyway.

Been bit by dogs a few times. It's never been a dangerous breed, just some little yappy fashion accessory.

Bullies are lovely dogs. My mate has 3 of them and they are some of the best trained dogs I've ever saw Punishing good owners because of the bad is a ridiculous concept.

I guess the point is there will be gentle and well trained dogs of all breeds and vicious untrained dogs of all breeds.

The difference is the build, bite, impact of the badly trained vicious lot is not consistent across breeds. Allowing the bad owners access to what then becomes a more dangerous outcome needs to stop.

Was listening to a an American dog expert being interviewed on the radio the other day. He was talking about why the XL Bully's in the UK are particularly a problem.

It all has to do with a lot inbreeding. Half of the Bully's in the UK are decended from notoriously vicious Bully's known has killer Kimbo.

Since then they have been inbred, even puppies from the same litter.

https://www.gbnews.com/news/xl-bully-dogs-inbred-us-pet-killer-kombo

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't think banning particular kinds of dogs is the solution.

Dogs and animals in general aren't inherently nasty or violent. This sort of behaviour is usually due to fear, abuse or other actions by the owner.

We need more robust breeding and ownership legislation that is quickly and easily enforceable.

The vast majority of dog owners don't train them at all. Others mistreat or neglect them through malice or ignorance. This is what needs addressing... no idea exactly how though.

Nita"

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By *osey WalesMan
over a year ago

Surrey

I havent read the thread..

And being a bit of a dick so...

If the NRA's argument to gun violence is more people need more guns to protect themselves.

We should all be out getting bigger more violent dogs to protect ourselves?

Early comment on thread, in my opinion is correct. All dogs can be dangerous. Owners who encourage their animal to be aggressive have alot to answer for

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By *ou only live onceMan
over a year ago

London

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By *inkywife1981Couple
over a year ago

A town near you

It's a similar argument to the gun control argument in America.

Gun owners will say people not guns kill people but the fact is some kid walks into a school with an AK47 can kill 20 people in 2 min, if he has no access to a gun he might kill a few with a knife before he is taken down.

Likewise people argue people not dogs kill people but again if these dangerous breeds were banned how many people a year would be suffer life changing injuries or death from a labrador attack.

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley

"...

Likewise people argue people not dogs kill people but again if these dangerous breeds were banned how many people a year would be suffer life changing injuries or death from a labrador attack."

Rather depends, does it not, on how many any Labradors attack anyone that year?

A somewhat irrelevant argument in relation to banning the species currently in question.

The figures are surely not mutually dependent. Or, are you suggesting that if bully dogs are no longer available, people will buy more labradors? I suppose that is a possibility.

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