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"... its ok for them not to teach in term time " Strike action would be a lot less effective if it didn't occur during term time  | |||
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"... its ok for them not to teach in term time Strike action would be a lot less effective if it didn't occur during term time " . It would take longer to take effect that's for sure but eventually unmarked work and lack of preparation for lessons would become obvious. | |||
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"98% of the ‘education’ they give our kids is useless knowledge not useful in todays world, taking them out for a holiday isn’t bad for their education in the slightest It’s good for their moral balance and teaching kids to put themselves before a system is a good thing for humans but bad for an economy we’re training these kids to be in Hence the arguments it brings "  | |||
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"98% of the ‘education’ they give our kids is useless knowledge not useful in todays world, taking them out for a holiday isn’t bad for their education in the slightest It’s good for their moral balance and teaching kids to put themselves before a system is a good thing for humans but bad for an economy we’re training these kids to be in Hence the arguments it brings " I don't suppose anything to back up the "98% of the education is useless" statement? | |||
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"98% of the ‘education’ they give our kids is useless knowledge not useful in todays world, taking them out for a holiday isn’t bad for their education in the slightest It’s good for their moral balance and teaching kids to put themselves before a system is a good thing for humans but bad for an economy we’re training these kids to be in Hence the arguments it brings " 98% blimey ! So reading,writing and basic maths and that's it? | |||
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"98% of the ‘education’ they give our kids is useless knowledge not useful in todays world, taking them out for a holiday isn’t bad for their education in the slightest It’s good for their moral balance and teaching kids to put themselves before a system is a good thing for humans but bad for an economy we’re training these kids to be in Hence the arguments it brings 98% blimey ! So reading,writing and basic maths and that's it?" I mean we’re speaking over a minimum of ages 4 to 16 plus higher education for specifics, so I’d say about 2% over a decade+ would be pretty accurate sure | |||
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"98% of the ‘education’ they give our kids is useless knowledge not useful in todays world, taking them out for a holiday isn’t bad for their education in the slightest It’s good for their moral balance and teaching kids to put themselves before a system is a good thing for humans but bad for an economy we’re training these kids to be in Hence the arguments it brings 98% blimey ! So reading,writing and basic maths and that's it? I mean we’re speaking over a minimum of ages 4 to 16 plus higher education for specifics, so I’d say about 2% over a decade+ would be pretty accurate sure " I suppose it depends how much you value education. I do know that for some people the basics are all they want. Do you think we could condense formal education into fewer years and give people the tools to learn what they want rather than what the state says they should? | |||
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"A scary thread! First of all, teachers don't decide on the fine system and they suffer from the holiday costs. They don't have the option to go on holiday at a different time and please don't say they're always on holiday. The strikes are a respond to a crisis that the government refuses to address. " part of the issue is the warped ideas people have about what it takes these days to be a teacher when not only most work well into the night to prepare, have to deal with massive issues the kids have and deal with unsupportive and often arrogant at best, aggressive and abusive at worst, parents. Though of course also many parents appreciate what teachers do and work well with the schools and teachers to give the best they can to their kids. These days there seem to be no appreciation and respect for the profession as should. Yes not all teachers are great but that's for schools to address those shortcomings. Most of us would not have amounted to much without good teachers.
Regarding holidays, it's a sensitive subject and personally don't agree with taking kids out during term time but it's also shocking that holidays become so expensive during holidays that some parents feel they have no other choice. In any event what is best for the child must always come first before and hopefully that's what most good parents do  | |||
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"98% of the ‘education’ they give our kids is useless knowledge not useful in todays world, taking them out for a holiday isn’t bad for their education in the slightest It’s good for their moral balance and teaching kids to put themselves before a system is a good thing for humans but bad for an economy we’re training these kids to be in Hence the arguments it brings 98% blimey ! So reading,writing and basic maths and that's it? I mean we’re speaking over a minimum of ages 4 to 16 plus higher education for specifics, so I’d say about 2% over a decade+ would be pretty accurate sure I suppose it depends how much you value education. I do know that for some people the basics are all they want. Do you think we could condense formal education into fewer years and give people the tools to learn what they want rather than what the state says they should? " Yes, very much so, schools are the only thing we haven’t updated in centuries, we don’t have the need to pump out factory workers anymore. Kids now are so innovative and learn so fast we don’t need to drill and force, just give them the tools to learn it’s amazing what new perspectives they have and can show us | |||
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"98% of the ‘education’ they give our kids is useless knowledge not useful in todays world, taking them out for a holiday isn’t bad for their education in the slightest It’s good for their moral balance and teaching kids to put themselves before a system is a good thing for humans but bad for an economy we’re training these kids to be in Hence the arguments it brings 98% blimey ! So reading,writing and basic maths and that's it? I mean we’re speaking over a minimum of ages 4 to 16 plus higher education for specifics, so I’d say about 2% over a decade+ would be pretty accurate sure I suppose it depends how much you value education. I do know that for some people the basics are all they want. Do you think we could condense formal education into fewer years and give people the tools to learn what they want rather than what the state says they should? Yes, very much so, schools are the only thing we haven’t updated in centuries, we don’t have the need to pump out factory workers anymore. Kids now are so innovative and learn so fast we don’t need to drill and force, just give them the tools to learn it’s amazing what new perspectives they have and can show us " I'm inclined to agree because I know I would have achieved far more in that environment. Imagine going to school and being educated according to your strengths and interests. What a lovely place to be. | |||
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"A scary thread! First of all, teachers don't decide on the fine system and they suffer from the holiday costs. They don't have the option to go on holiday at a different time and please don't say they're always on holiday. The strikes are a respond to a crisis that the government refuses to address. part of the issue is the warped ideas people have about what it takes these days to be a teacher when not only most work well into the night to prepare, have to deal with massive issues the kids have and deal with unsupportive and often arrogant at best, aggressive and abusive at worst, parents. Though of course also many parents appreciate what teachers do and work well with the schools and teachers to give the best they can to their kids. These days there seem to be no appreciation and respect for the profession as should. Yes not all teachers are great but that's for schools to address those shortcomings. Most of us would not have amounted to much without good teachers.
Regarding holidays, it's a sensitive subject and personally don't agree with taking kids out during term time but it's also shocking that holidays become so expensive during holidays that some parents feel they have no other choice. In any event what is best for the child must always come first before and hopefully that's what most good parents do "I agree, I think teachers should strike and it’s long long overdue Schools now are used as child care unfortunately, kids don’t need a 9-5 Monday to Friday yet it’s fits perfectly for the economy as a whole so the adults can keep ticking away as needed Remember the push to get the schools open rather than let them stay remote, because half the workforce couldn’t get back to work It’s an unfortunate elephant in the room | |||
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"What needs to be mentioned as well is that for a lot of children/teenagers school is a safe place. The only place where they know what to expect with routines etc. A place where they can trust adults. " I agree with teachers striking but strikes remove that safety from them for the duration | |||
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"98% of the ‘education’ they give our kids is useless knowledge not useful in todays world, taking them out for a holiday isn’t bad for their education in the slightest It’s good for their moral balance and teaching kids to put themselves before a system is a good thing for humans but bad for an economy we’re training these kids to be in Hence the arguments it brings 98% blimey ! So reading,writing and basic maths and that's it? I mean we’re speaking over a minimum of ages 4 to 16 plus higher education for specifics, so I’d say about 2% over a decade+ would be pretty accurate sure I suppose it depends how much you value education. I do know that for some people the basics are all they want. Do you think we could condense formal education into fewer years and give people the tools to learn what they want rather than what the state says they should? Yes, very much so, schools are the only thing we haven’t updated in centuries, we don’t have the need to pump out factory workers anymore. Kids now are so innovative and learn so fast we don’t need to drill and force, just give them the tools to learn it’s amazing what new perspectives they have and can show us I'm inclined to agree because I know I would have achieved far more in that environment. Imagine going to school and being educated according to your strengths and interests. What a lovely place to be. " Honestly, I’m spouting from my own perspective of homeschooling, I’m trying not to give too much personal away lol but when I took mine out of school they couldn’t even read, they school hadn’t taught them, it’s now a few years later and the leaps and bounds we’ve made are insane, a few months ago they told me (correctly, I checked and it’s unbelievably accurate) that the action of looking at a star in the night sky is the equivalent of that star physically touching you because of how light works We’re not even a teen yet, it’s nuts and all kids should have that freedom and opportunity It’s almost cruel to not, if that makes any kind of sense | |||
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"98% of the ‘education’ they give our kids is useless knowledge not useful in todays world, taking them out for a holiday isn’t bad for their education in the slightest It’s good for their moral balance and teaching kids to put themselves before a system is a good thing for humans but bad for an economy we’re training these kids to be in Hence the arguments it brings 98% blimey ! So reading,writing and basic maths and that's it? I mean we’re speaking over a minimum of ages 4 to 16 plus higher education for specifics, so I’d say about 2% over a decade+ would be pretty accurate sure I suppose it depends how much you value education. I do know that for some people the basics are all they want. Do you think we could condense formal education into fewer years and give people the tools to learn what they want rather than what the state says they should? Yes, very much so, schools are the only thing we haven’t updated in centuries, we don’t have the need to pump out factory workers anymore. Kids now are so innovative and learn so fast we don’t need to drill and force, just give them the tools to learn it’s amazing what new perspectives they have and can show us I'm inclined to agree because I know I would have achieved far more in that environment. Imagine going to school and being educated according to your strengths and interests. What a lovely place to be. Honestly, I’m spouting from my own perspective of homeschooling, I’m trying not to give too much personal away lol but when I took mine out of school they couldn’t even read, they school hadn’t taught them, it’s now a few years later and the leaps and bounds we’ve made are insane, a few months ago they told me (correctly, I checked and it’s unbelievably accurate) that the action of looking at a star in the night sky is the equivalent of that star physically touching you because of how light works We’re not even a teen yet, it’s nuts and all kids should have that freedom and opportunity It’s almost cruel to not, if that makes any kind of sense " The problem I can see is that not everyone has the ability, resources or motivation to provide that for their children. I do know that the most interesting people seem to have learned away from formal education or at least in conjunction with it. Perhaps the first step is encouraging independent thinking which does appear to be in short supply. | |||
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"98% of the ‘education’ they give our kids is useless knowledge not useful in todays world, taking them out for a holiday isn’t bad for their education in the slightest It’s good for their moral balance and teaching kids to put themselves before a system is a good thing for humans but bad for an economy we’re training these kids to be in Hence the arguments it brings 98% blimey ! So reading,writing and basic maths and that's it? I mean we’re speaking over a minimum of ages 4 to 16 plus higher education for specifics, so I’d say about 2% over a decade+ would be pretty accurate sure I suppose it depends how much you value education. I do know that for some people the basics are all they want. Do you think we could condense formal education into fewer years and give people the tools to learn what they want rather than what the state says they should? Yes, very much so, schools are the only thing we haven’t updated in centuries, we don’t have the need to pump out factory workers anymore. Kids now are so innovative and learn so fast we don’t need to drill and force, just give them the tools to learn it’s amazing what new perspectives they have and can show us I'm inclined to agree because I know I would have achieved far more in that environment. Imagine going to school and being educated according to your strengths and interests. What a lovely place to be. Honestly, I’m spouting from my own perspective of homeschooling, I’m trying not to give too much personal away lol but when I took mine out of school they couldn’t even read, they school hadn’t taught them, it’s now a few years later and the leaps and bounds we’ve made are insane, a few months ago they told me (correctly, I checked and it’s unbelievably accurate) that the action of looking at a star in the night sky is the equivalent of that star physically touching you because of how light works We’re not even a teen yet, it’s nuts and all kids should have that freedom and opportunity It’s almost cruel to not, if that makes any kind of sense The problem I can see is that not everyone has the ability, resources or motivation to provide that for their children. I do know that the most interesting people seem to have learned away from formal education or at least in conjunction with it. Perhaps the first step is encouraging independent thinking which does appear to be in short supply." I agree not everyone can find those resources and fulfill those needs but I think part of the reasons is because we’re become so used to mainstream schools the resources are hard to find (MITocw is an awesome one for higher education if anyone who wants to nosy btw) And I do think schools are a good place for some and a safe place too, just not for all, the whole one glove fits all thing is something we got too used to, we need more choices and support Idk, it’s a complicated issue and I don’t think there is any specific one correct answer | |||
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"I don't think the strikes being justifiecation for being able to take kids on holiday in term time I'd an argument that stands up to any scrutiny. But I think there is a real issue that children need the experiences that holidays bring and families need that time together yet far too many families are priced out of term time holidays and the cost of living crisis and amount of children living in poverty only exacerbates that. Instead of getting angry at teachers striking, get angry at the government that have backed them in to that corner while simultaneously forcing families in to poverty. " Well said!! | |||
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"If Teachers can strike how many people going to take kids out of school in term time using the strike as a reason to save lots of money and its ok for them not to teach in term time but we can't take kids out of school as it has a huge negative affect on there learning" Exactly kids have a very short learning curve and are extremely perceptive to learning in their formative years its important that they are encouraged to learn especially in the early years of schooling, money is unimportant in this equation although people should be free to chose when they holiday, freedom of choice is becoming a rarity  | |||
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