FabSwingers.com forum: RAF base accomodation for migrants

By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Outcry as a RAF base in Essex is to be used to give safe accomodation to migrants. Locals protesting and even the local council up in arms..

What's going on here guys. It's all over the news....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Good idea actually. Roof over their heads if nothing else

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By *ris GrayMan
over a year ago

Dorchester

"Outcry as a RAF base in Essex is to be used to give safe accomodation to migrants. Locals protesting and even the local council up in arms..

What's going on here guys. It's all over the news...."
Are they bypassing security?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Having lived in some of that accommodation I can assure tou it's a very long way from hotel standard, in fact it's pretty disgusting, regularly loses hot water and heating, is generally sited out the way as to keep noise down, has issues with mould and probably should have been condemned 20 years before the last military inhabitant moved out. It will not be pleasant.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Outcry as a RAF base in Essex is to be used to give safe accomodation to migrants. Locals protesting and even the local council up in arms..

What's going on here guys. It's all over the news...."

We should probably lay on flights from romania for them. Cut out the middle man. Raf base... Flights...

They obviously see something good in this country.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The sad thing in my mind is the outcry is seemingly about "not in our back yard" rather than the suitability of the accommodation itself

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By *topthepressMan
over a year ago

MANCHESTER

I'm sick of the way migrants are being treated and talked about it's pretty disturbing what is wrong with wanting to improve your standard of living we all want what is best for our families and it's as if they were all criminals there is more of a chance of being attacked or murdered by a policeman then a migrant

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By *idnight RamblerMan
over a year ago

Pershore

Hotel bills for asylum seekers in past 5 years = £13 billion. Yes, old military bases are a good idea. Better still, let's sort this fiasco out once and for all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

£6 million a day for a hotels ? Yikes, something has to be done , this is not sustainable and u fortunately no one ever wants this is their area. Lots of outcry about the area not being suitable /able to support the numbers but wouldn’t the base have been virtually self sustaining when it was active ? All comes down to what investment there is in the rebuilding of the base and facilities I guess ?

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By *bi HaiveMan
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over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

I mean, they could always put a decent process in place to speed up applications couldn't they? Wouldn't need so much accommodation then?

Instead of continually using immigrants as a convenient distraction from all else going on, blaming them for the countries problems, passing taxpayer cash to service provider buddies to accommodate and feed them and attempting to break international law with new legislation?

Why not just do the right thing for once and treat them as human beings instead of pawns on a chessboard to stoke division and attempt to gain votes?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Having lived in some of that accommodation I can assure tou it's a very long way from hotel standard, in fact it's pretty disgusting, regularly loses hot water and heating, is generally sited out the way as to keep noise down, has issues with mould and probably should have been condemned 20 years before the last military inhabitant moved out. It will not be pleasant."

That was when it was for Brits, now they will spend millions and millions bringing it up to spec and equipping it with everything you could need.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"£6 million a day for a hotels ? Yikes, something has to be done , this is not sustainable and u fortunately no one ever wants this is their area. Lots of outcry about the area not being suitable /able to support the numbers but wouldn’t the base have been virtually self sustaining when it was active ? All comes down to what investment there is in the rebuilding of the base and facilities I guess ?"

They keep trotting out this "£6 million" figure but that was actually first put out there more than a year ago. Since then around 50,000 more have arrived and the governments own figures say virtually none processed so where are they all staying for free?

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

We're paying 6 million in hotels, way over what it costs to book a room. Yet no one is asking who owns the hotels and why they are being paid so much over the goung rate for rooms...

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By *skyouneverknowMan
over a year ago

Calne

"I mean, they could always put a decent process in place to speed up applications couldn't they? Wouldn't need so much accommodation then?

Why not just do the right thing for once and treat them as human beings instead of pawns on a chessboard to stoke division and attempt to gain votes?

This

Invest properly in processing, get the decisions made - some will be able to be returned to their country of origin and some will become full contributing members of society.

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By *ris GrayMan
over a year ago

Dorchester

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

Also the issue isn't the number of asylum seekers it's the huge backlog (over 2 years) in processing applications.

Yet again the tories have stripped funding and resources and are left to sort out a mess of their own making

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

6th March 2023

"A landmark deal has been agreed to unlock £300 million of investment in a hotel, new homes, shops, restaurants and bars at RAF Scampton. Plans are in place for major changes that will retain the base as a licensed airfield in a move set to create thousands of jobs."

29th March 2023

"Plans to house asylum seekers at a historic former RAF base in Lincolnshire have been formally announced by the government. It has been rumoured for some time that RAF Scampton would be used as an asylum centre which caused uproar among the local community and wider public."

What a difference a few weeks makes. BTW Scampton the village has a population around 1,500, the same number as expected for migrants. Scampton is pretty much rural with no facilities. Will end well

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

"We're paying 6 million in hotels, way over what it costs to book a room. Yet no one is asking who owns the hotels and why they are being paid so much over the goung rate for rooms..."

Who’s getting all the loyalty points ? I spent £30K and hot lifetime platinum elite.

£6billion in 5 years is a lot of money, clearly supporting crinkle to import lots of people into the little island is top of the gov. priorities as everything else is now fixed. Money well spent

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By *hrista BellendWoman
over a year ago

surrounded by twinkly lights

They neeed to spend more money in speeding up the application process and seperate the migrants from the asylum seekers and process them all properly

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

"We're paying 6 million in hotels, way over what it costs to book a room. Yet no one is asking who owns the hotels and why they are being paid so much over the goung rate for rooms..."

Yesterday's news said it costs £150 a day per asylum seeker. They are in Britainnia hotels which cost £40 max. I appreciate there are food costs on top but someone is making a huge profit.

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

"We're paying 6 million in hotels, way over what it costs to book a room. Yet no one is asking who owns the hotels and why they are being paid so much over the goung rate for rooms...

Yesterday's news said it costs £150 a day per asylum seeker. They are in Britainnia hotels which cost £40 max. I appreciate there are food costs on top but someone is making a huge profit. "

Exactly, imagine block booking a hotel but paying 3 times the price of a single room's nightly rate

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By *ree-dom69Man
over a year ago

park gate

But it was our home

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Look over there at them, just don't look at the state of essential services, cost of affordable housing, sewage in the rivers etc etc and all down to this government..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hotel bills for asylum seekers in past 5 years = £13 billion. Yes, old military bases are a good idea. Better still, let's sort this fiasco out once and for all."

Did you check the figures in the annual accounts?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We're paying 6 million in hotels, way over what it costs to book a room. Yet no one is asking who owns the hotels and why they are being paid so much over the goung rate for rooms..."

Um, the other guy says it 13 billion. Where are these figures coming from? Plucked out of thin air probably

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

If Jeremy Corbyn had been a credible leader of the opposition then this would never of got so bad. The government could of had a tin of beans as Prime Minister and Corbyn still would of lost. There were no checks and balances when he and his cronies were in charge of Labour.

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

"Look over there at them, just don't look at the state of essential services, cost of affordable housing, sewage in the rivers etc etc and all down to this government.."

Oh asylum seekers, Rwanda, small boats, it's the ultimate dead cat isn't it?

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

"If Jeremy Corbyn had been a credible leader of the opposition then this would never of got so bad. "

HOUSE!

I've just completed my Fab Politics Bingo card

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

"If Jeremy Corbyn had been a credible leader of the opposition then this would never of got so bad. The government could of had a tin of beans as Prime Minister and Corbyn still would of lost. There were no checks and balances when he and his cronies were in charge of Labour. "

Hang on, it's Jeremy Corbyn's fault that we have such an awful government?

What did you mean by "no checks abd balances"?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In reality the government are trying to save some money here, £6.8 million a day to keep them in hotels is pretty obscene. The money could be better spent elsewhere. On the other hand, Scampton in Lincolnshire, is now redundant as a base with the exception of a few accommodation blocks that would be a suitable option, the rest is work buildings and hangars...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In reality the government are trying to save some money here, £6.8 million a day to keep them in hotels is pretty obscene. The money could be better spent elsewhere. On the other hand, Scampton in Lincolnshire, is now redundant as a base with the exception of a few accommodation blocks that would be a suitable option, the rest is work buildings and hangars..."

Where do you get your figures from?

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

Do we spend more each day storing useless PPE than housing Refugees ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We're paying 6 million in hotels, way over what it costs to book a room. Yet no one is asking who owns the hotels and why they are being paid so much over the goung rate for rooms...

Um, the other guy says it 13 billion. Where are these figures coming from? Plucked out of thin air probably "

I believe they were figures raised in parliament discussion yesterday and widely reported. If I understand correctly the 13 billion was the figure for the last 5 years and the 6 million is the current daily cost to government. I believe the figures haven’t been disputed so I presume they’re based on public information of government spending

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By *bi HaiveMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

Erm.....Tom - you know they were the one's who had a fully costed manifesto in 2019 and the Tories didn't....right?

As for 'checks and balances' ? Maybe research how many manifesto pledges the Tories have yet to act on from the last two elections.

People most definitely aren't getting what they voted for.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We're paying 6 million in hotels, way over what it costs to book a room. Yet no one is asking who owns the hotels and why they are being paid so much over the goung rate for rooms...

Um, the other guy says it 13 billion. Where are these figures coming from? Plucked out of thin air probably "

It’s always good to see questioning of figures , but in this case they seem to be about in right ballpark if maybe a little over inflated

https://fullfact.org/immigration/hotel-accommodation-asylum-seeker-cost/

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By *entlemanrogueMan
over a year ago

Motherwell

"Outcry as a RAF base in Essex is to be used to give safe accomodation to migrants. Locals protesting and even the local council up in arms..

What's going on here guys. It's all over the news...."

Are they refugees from yet another country that the clowns in WM have decided to attack?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Where do you get your figures from?"

The news..!! BBC, ITV, SKY, Channel 4, they are all quoting this figure.

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley

I do love outcries and ups in arms.

The sort of thing us naturists and swingers are well used to.

They could house some at Eureka while we are waiting for 'Giggles' to revive the place!

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

People most definitely aren't getting what they voted for.

40 new hospitals ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We're paying 6 million in hotels, way over what it costs to book a room. Yet no one is asking who owns the hotels and why they are being paid so much over the goung rate for rooms...

Um, the other guy says it 13 billion. Where are these figures coming from? Plucked out of thin air probably

It’s always good to see questioning of figures , but in this case they seem to be about in right ballpark if maybe a little over inflated

https://fullfact.org/immigration/hotel-accommodation-asylum-seeker-cost/

That quotes the daily mail and express, which I'm highly sceptical of.

I would need to see the figures in black and white in annual accounts to believe them true.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Where do you get your figures from?

The news..!! BBC, ITV, SKY, Channel 4, they are all quoting this figure."

Hhm, see answer above. Without seeing the figures submitted to companies House anyone can make up any arbitrary number.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We're paying 6 million in hotels, way over what it costs to book a room. Yet no one is asking who owns the hotels and why they are being paid so much over the goung rate for rooms...

Um, the other guy says it 13 billion. Where are these figures coming from? Plucked out of thin air probably

It’s always good to see questioning of figures , but in this case they seem to be about in right ballpark if maybe a little over inflated

https://fullfact.org/immigration/hotel-accommodation-asylum-seeker-cost/

That quotes the daily mail and express, which I'm highly sceptical of.

I would need to see the figures in black and white in annual accounts to believe them true. "

The page questioned the figures quoted in those publications and goes on to say that those figures weren’t correct hence the specific claim by those publications was false however ….

“ These figures are based on numbers provided to the Home Office Select Committee in October 2022.

The committee heard that approximately £5.6 million a day is spent on hotel accommodation for asylum seekers. This is not necessarily limited to asylum seekers who arrived in the UK by crossing the channel, although this is by far the most common route of arrival. ”

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By *asques and boxersCouple
over a year ago

Ashford and dept16

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By *idnight RamblerMan
over a year ago

Pershore

"We're paying 6 million in hotels, way over what it costs to book a room. Yet no one is asking who owns the hotels and why they are being paid so much over the goung rate for rooms...

Um, the other guy says it 13 billion. Where are these figures coming from? Plucked out of thin air probably

It’s always good to see questioning of figures , but in this case they seem to be about in right ballpark if maybe a little over inflated

https://fullfact.org/immigration/hotel-accommodation-asylum-seeker-cost/

That quotes the daily mail and express, which I'm highly sceptical of.

I would need to see the figures in black and white in annual accounts to believe them true. "

Let's not be pedantic on the precise figure, but we know there are around 35,000 asylum seekers in hotel accommodation. Just do some maths on accommodation, meals, benefits, social workers, legal costs. Common sense tells us this will run into many £millions per day. If we are all happy to accept this situation fine, but then it's no good moaning about underfunded NHS, schools, roads, military etc etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Havent the government tried that at the old barrackes at Dover. Which if we recall cirrectly was meet with public out cry. Criminal damage, comitted by these persons proclaiming to be of good stature and nature. These persons have in the main have choosen to travel across continents. Lived in encampments many of which were merely tents and offered the ability to make proper application to enter other soveriegn states legally if their applications are acceptable. All of which they have deemed unacceptable. Is there a siutable response, ask Gary and from his recent HMRC earnings while your at it ask him to put his money where his month is."

Nothing will ever be good enough...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We're paying 6 million in hotels, way over what it costs to book a room. Yet no one is asking who owns the hotels and why they are being paid so much over the goung rate for rooms...

Um, the other guy says it 13 billion. Where are these figures coming from? Plucked out of thin air probably

It’s always good to see questioning of figures , but in this case they seem to be about in right ballpark if maybe a little over inflated

https://fullfact.org/immigration/hotel-accommodation-asylum-seeker-cost/

That quotes the daily mail and express, which I'm highly sceptical of.

I would need to see the figures in black and white in annual accounts to believe them true.

Exactly... It's a lot...

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By *bi HaiveMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

"These persons have in the main have choosen to travel across continents. Lived in encampments many of which were merely tents and offered the ability to make proper application to enter other soveriegn states legally if their applications are acceptable. All of which they have deemed unacceptable. "

You know you can't apply for asylum until you reach the country you intend to apply to.....right?

They can't do it before they get here.

It's kind of a major part of the 1951 Geneva Refugee Convention.

Which we signed.

And now seem to want to tear to shreds.

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich

The only.outcry I've seen in the news is that the accomodation isn't good enough for them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The only.outcry I've seen in the news is that the accomodation isn't good enough for them."

And never will be...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The only.outcry I've seen in the news is that the accomodation isn't good enough for them."

There have been quite a few reports about local residents being unhappy with the plans. Unfortunately that’s probably going to be the case with wherever is suggested though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The real problem is its location. Its the old american RAF base at weathersfield in essex. Was untill 6 months ago being used by police training. Its location is about 10 miles to local main supermarkets and amenitys. Not on a bus route. How will they be expected to get to places like shops etc. I also think the local village is worried that there is nothing for them to do threre.

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By *amantha TSWoman
over a year ago

Swindon

I'm just waiting for the WHO or some other organisation to rule that the accommodation is uninhabitable. The same accommodation so many of us veterans spent so many years living in!

Seriously though, on base military accommodation is not suitable for families. Single occupancy rooms or large scale multiple occupancy, shared ablutions, minimum insulation and power provision by today's standards.

As for the old married quarters - AFAIK on every other base that got closed it was usually sold off so I imagine that has been the case here?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm just waiting for the WHO or some other organisation to rule that the accommodation is uninhabitable. The same accommodation so many of us veterans spent so many years living in!

As for the old married quarters - AFAIK on every other base that got closed it was usually sold off so I imagine that has been the case here?"

Indeed, as well as the facilities/transport issue described above.

I’m sure the main problem with this plan is the same with just about every a government project recently, communication.

What exactly are they proposing, what changes are they going to make, what provisions will be in place. So much they could say to address these beforehand to get public on their side (or not depending the plan

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hotel bills for asylum seekers in past 5 years = £13 billion. Yes, old military bases are a good idea. Better still, let's sort this fiasco out once and for all."

Uk made £11 billion from arm sales in 2019 alone. So its small fry.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Would it be fair to say that a burger van or chip shop van would make a fortune if parked outside.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hotel bills for asylum seekers in past 5 years = £13 billion. Yes, old military bases are a good idea. Better still, let's sort this fiasco out once and for all."

The £13 billion figure is also wrong. If you take the £7m daily figure givin in newspapers.

These claims ignore that around £1.2 million of this cost goes towards providing ‘bridging accommodation’ for Afghan refugees who arrived in the UK via legal resettlement schemes (the government has described bridging accommodation for Afghans as “as a short -term solution to bridge the gap between arriving in the UK and moving into settled accommodation.”)

These figures are based on numbers provided to the Home Office Select Committee in October 2022.

https://fullfact.org/immigration/hotel-accommodation-asylum-seeker-cost/

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By *emptation6580Couple
over a year ago

playa de ingles

This country and government has gone to shit! No easy answers to be found here!

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By *hil most chillMan
over a year ago

South East & Europe

I refuse to be swayed into villainising migrants and asylum seekers when the real criminals are in charge of the government. I can attest to the fact that the military accommodation is likely shit anyway, and the base was probably due to be shut down soon, if it hasn't been already.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Look over there at them, just don't look at the state of essential services, cost of affordable housing, sewage in the rivers etc etc and all down to this government..

Oh asylum seekers, Rwanda, small boats, it's the ultimate dead cat isn't it?"

Totally

Plus of course Corbyn..

Has to be at fault just because the red tops say so..

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"I'm sick of the way migrants are being treated and talked about it's pretty disturbing what is wrong with wanting to improve your standard of living we all want what is best for our families and it's as if they were all criminals there is more of a chance of being attacked or murdered by a policeman then a migrant "

Agree! Boils my piss way people talk about/treat our fellow humans that have gone through so much shite allready!x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Agree! Boils my piss way people talk about/treat our fellow humans that have gone through so much shite allready!x"

This can’t be said/repeated enough. Feel free to get angry and inefficient governments or excessive spending but remember the majority of people making this trip have been through absolute hell and are just regular humans looking for safety

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley

"Would it be fair to say that a burger van or chip shop van would make a fortune if parked outside."

Some of us know of one which is only serving a local football venue from time to time!

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

Agree! Boils my piss way people talk about/treat our fellow humans that have gone through so much shite allready!x

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Agree! Boils my piss way people talk about/treat our fellow humans that have gone through so much shite allready!x

Fleeing war torn France and Italy presumably ?

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By *lder funCouple
over a year ago

tottenham

Don't forget war torn Albania as well

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I always find the best thing to do is to accuse anyone concerned about immigration of being a racist and blame the Tories, Brexit or climate change. Then I'll have my fourth Big Mac of the day and sit back satisfied and convinced that I am 100% part of the solution and not the problem.

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By *bi HaiveMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

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By *bi HaiveMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

Agree! Boils my piss way people talk about/treat our fellow humans that have gone through so much shite allready!x

Fleeing war torn France and Italy presumably ?"

If there was a natural disaster in Essex would you expect the entire population to only be able to travel to Cambridgeshire, Suffolk and Hertfordshire (you don't get to go to London Tom).......putting the burden on just the neighbouring counties?

Or would you expect others to share the burden, lighten the load and take an equal share of those need refuge and assistance?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Agree! Boils my piss way people talk about/treat our fellow humans that have gone through so much shite allready!x

Fleeing war torn France and Italy presumably ?"

That’s not where they’re feeling from of course , don’t be silly.

You have inadvertently proved the point I was trying to make.

They’re fleeing from a persecution few in this country can imagine.

The decision to come through the other safe countries is a fault of the governments not of the people making the trip.

By all means be angry with the governments of those countries and our own but don’t be angry with the humans trying to be safe

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By *achel SmythTV/TS
over a year ago

Farnborough

This is not the first time recently disused military bases are used for migrants, think Folkestone, Manston etc

What really annoys me is that the military stop using these establishments, and then millions of pounds are spent making them ‘habitable’ for the migrants.

So we are saying is - the accommodation is fit an appropriate for our military to live in ….. but not migrants!!

Some of the accommodation our service people love in is disgusting … both single living, and family accommodation, but money is never available and they are not seen as a priority!

This has got be wrong!!

R x

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By *skyouneverknowMan
over a year ago

Calne

"Don't forget war torn Albania as well"

The thing is, if the Government bothered its arse to get on and process people we'd be able to return undeserving cases to their country of origin.

Their current approach is ridiculous - it just serves to increase the unprocessed numbers and isn't fair to anyone - except perhaps those who get the lucrative contracts to accommodate the backlog

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By *bi HaiveMan
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over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

"This is not the first time recently disused military bases are used for migrants, think Folkestone, Manston etc

What really annoys me is that the military stop using these establishments, and then millions of pounds are spent making them ‘habitable’ for the migrants.

So we are saying is - the accommodation is fit an appropriate for our military to live in ….. but not migrants!!

Some of the accommodation our service people love in is disgusting … both single living, and family accommodation, but money is never available and they are not seen as a priority!

This has got be wrong!!

R x"

And here is where the government policy is succeeding.

Creating a them and us attitude, rather than recognising that it shouldn't b 'either/or'. It's the same argument used regarding the homeless.

The government could do more.

For both.

But they don't want to.

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

"This is not the first time recently disused military bases are used for migrants, think Folkestone, Manston etc

What really annoys me is that the military stop using these establishments, and then millions of pounds are spent making them ‘habitable’ for the migrants.

So we are saying is - the accommodation is fit an appropriate for our military to live in ….. but not migrants!!

Some of the accommodation our service people love in is disgusting … both single living, and family accommodation, but money is never available and they are not seen as a priority!

This has got be wrong!!

R x"

Ate the government spending "£millions making it habitable" though?

I thought the issue with one of the previous military sights is that it wasn't habitable?

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By *amantha TSWoman
over a year ago

Swindon

"Would it be fair to say that a burger van or chip shop van would make a fortune if parked outside."

Standard affair for any forces base. Even out on ops there's usually something about (in Basra there was a Pizza Hut that backed onto the perimeter fence, you could shout your order through and a perfectly placed depression in the ground was big enough for a medium pizza box to slide through!)

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By *loria JamesTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

"I mean, they could always put a decent process in place to speed up applications couldn't they? Wouldn't need so much accommodation then?

Why not just do the right thing for once and treat them as human beings instead of pawns on a chessboard to stoke division and attempt to gain votes?

Exactly this. Only 4% of asylum seekers have been processed, that means 96% are in limbo.

If the govt sorted out the processing, the criminals could be returned and genuine asylum seekers could be working and paying tax.

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By *hil most chillMan
over a year ago

South East & Europe

Agree! Boils my piss way people talk about/treat our fellow humans that have gone through so much shite allready!x

Fleeing war torn France and Italy presumably ?

Or would you expect others to share the burden, lighten the load and take an equal share of those need refuge and assistance?

This is it. All these people who moan that they don't stop in neighbouring countries don't consider that it really isn't fair to expect the closest countries to take them all. And they also don't consider the fact that most other countries already take far more refugees and asylum seekers than the UK do. Because it's far easier to read the Daily Mail and believe what right wing billionaires want you to believe.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Agree! Boils my piss way people talk about/treat our fellow humans that have gone through so much shite allready!x

Fleeing war torn France and Italy presumably ?

Or would you expect others to share the burden, lighten the load and take an equal share of those need refuge and assistance?

Damn, I forgot about blaming Daily Mail readers! I think I covered Tories, but missed them. They're probably all transphobic and anti-vegan too

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

Blimey, the man gets the blame for everything so it seems even when not in power

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

I would say if it was a stop gap while being processed in a short time....but they would need to process migrants quicker so the people who stay can go to work and live a life instead of an existance in a over inflated Hotel room or RAF block.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

We were funnily enough under labour processing more, under the present government we are now doing about a tenth of what Germany and France do pa..

That's clearly Corbyns fault too..

As are the cuts the Tories have made this last 13 year to the very services that deal with such things..

Again blame Jeremy Corbyn obviously..

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

Hang on, it's Jeremy Corbyn's fault that we have such an awful government?

What did you mean by "no checks abd balances"?"

Its the job of the opposition. To oppose.

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By *nightsoftheCoffeeTableCouple
over a year ago

Leeds

It's not the first time bases are used to house immigrants, there's a few up this way.

Mrs

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By *unfunfun xMan
over a year ago

LONDON

Hope they removed our fighter jets, there be flying doing loop to loop in them over the base

, sorry but they have passed numerous safe countries, Italy Spain France but nope don't stop there keep going benefits houses await us in the land of sift touch.

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By *unfunfun xMan
over a year ago

LONDON

I see a few like statistics on here, find out how many we have in our prison system that are non British born, I agree with asylum 100% absolutely if 100% properly controlled, urkraine people absolutely no question they should be jumping queue and being here,but there are so many who abuse the system just taking the piss, my opinion and 99% will say omg what a cxxt on here but just my opinion.

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

"I see a few like statistics on here, find out how many we have in our prison system that are non British born, I agree with asylum 100% absolutely if 100% properly controlled, urkraine people absolutely no question they should be jumping queue and being here,but there are so many who abuse the system just taking the piss, my opinion and 99% will say omg what a cxxt on here but just my opinion."

Talking of statistics how many asylum applications are refused? And therefore how many asylum applications are genuine?

Why do you consider Ukrainian refugees an exception that deserve fast tracking? To reference your other pis6, why can't they stop in France, Italy or Spain?

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By *unfunfun xMan
over a year ago

LONDON

Ukrainian because its clear to see what's going on in there country and yes other countries too yes I know I'm saying its just getting outta hand, we are a small island compared to France so small, look how much it cost a day £6 million a day for housing in hotels, which is meant to be for tourists to bring in the monies, we have a major housing issue in this country major debt. If your from Iraq Sudan wherever your welcome, but you can't have open borders, yes raf is not best place but ffs it's roof over there head what these ones moaning for they want everyone housed in buck Palace. Just look at homeless we have on streets oh there is quite few ex army/sea/air veterans on street they can't get housed what you think about that?

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley

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Why do you consider Ukrainian refugees an exception that deserve fast tracking? To reference your other pis6, why can't they stop in France, Italy or Spain?

There is not a lot of English spoken in France, Italy or Spain and the poor sods are hoping for a decent start to their new lives!

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By *hrista BellendWoman
over a year ago

surrounded by twinkly lights

Agree! Boils my piss way people talk about/treat our fellow humans that have gone through so much shite allready!x

It's the other way round, the majority are migrants looking for a better life. The number of asylum seekers from war torn countries escaping death are a minority. This added with adults pretending to be children and criminals coming through makes processing slow and an already inadequate system ridiculous indeed.

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By *unfunfun xMan
over a year ago

LONDON

And please no one use the oh his racist card, it's about do checks controlled borders, I live in London ffs we have most diverse community in whole of UK I see you live London too? So you know. But controlled checks that's all I say, we are on breaking point with a major housing issue as it is, so again all for immigration totally we need them in our work force and some UK yes UK born love the benefit style so you can say I'm racist against British now, it's just about control, so there going to raf barracks loads saying it's inhumane didn't here a single word from any UK person saying omg it's inhumane putting our British forces in barracks its disgusting.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"Hope they removed our fighter jets, there be flying doing loop to loop in them over the base

, sorry but they have passed numerous safe countries, Italy Spain France but nope don't stop there keep going benefits houses await us in the land of sift touch. "

Yeah right! Worth risking Yr life for benefits! Jezzzz!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Take them all to Brize Norton....................... Then load them on the plane and take them all back

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By *unfunfun xMan
over a year ago

LONDON

Or crimes go up Central London look how many organised gangs there catching in the sweet shop trade there or the pickpocket gangs around marble arch these are people begging please let us into your country then turn to crime there the ones, AGAIN I SAY IT CLEARLY all for immigration but controlled,

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

"And please no one use the oh his racist card, it's about do checks controlled borders, I live in London ffs we have most diverse community in whole of UK I see you live London too? So you know. But controlled checks that's all I say, we are on breaking point with a major housing issue as it is, so again all for immigration totally we need them in our work force and some UK yes UK born love the benefit style so you can say I'm racist against British now, it's just about control, so there going to raf barracks loads saying it's inhumane didn't here a single word from any UK person saying omg it's inhumane putting our British forces in barracks its disgusting."

I find it interesting that across multiplevposts you are denying being racist despite nit one person suggesting anything you have said is racist?

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By *unfunfun xMan
over a year ago

LONDON

Just to add we have a group of girls few guys afghan I see daily and they travel to college yes all funded but go to college absolutely lovely people

I'm talking about the ones who abuse the system and it ain't just a few there are a lot. So again all for immigration but control it. 6 million a day in hotels us that ok?

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

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Why do you consider Ukrainian refugees an exception that deserve fast tracking? To reference your other pis6, why can't they stop in France, Italy or Spain?

There is not a lot of English spoken in France, Italy or Spain and the poor sods are hoping for a decent start to their new lives!"

Also we take far less refugees than any of those countries and the rest of Europe for that matter.

Many asylum seekers will understandably try ti reach a country where they may have links or as you say speak at least a little of the language

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By *unfunfun xMan
over a year ago

LONDON

I find it interesting that across multiplevposts you are denying being racist despite nit one person suggesting anything you have said is racist?"
they don't need to say it anyone speak out against what is happening kinda automatically gets tagged to the racist word.

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By *unfunfun xMan
over a year ago

LONDON

Of course we take less we are a tiny island France is massive massive country so not rocket science we take less.

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By *m3232Man
over a year ago

maidenhead

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Why do you consider Ukrainian refugees an exception that deserve fast tracking? To reference your other pis6, why can't they stop in France, Italy or Spain?

There is not a lot of English spoken in France, Italy or Spain and the poor sods are hoping for a decent start to their new lives!

Also we take far less refugees than any of those countries and the rest of Europe for that matter.

Many asylum seekers will understandably try ti reach a country where they may have links or as you say speak at least a little of the language"

I don’t believe that for a minute. Why are they coming across Europe to get here.

Stop giving them free shit if they are illegal and send them back.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Outcry as a RAF base in Essex is to be used to give safe accomodation to migrants. Locals protesting and even the local council up in arms..

What's going on here guys. It's all over the news...."

Braintree apparently

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By *unfunfun xMan
over a year ago

LONDON

There is prob a few reading thinking disgusting what I'm typing. But few who agree but this is a site to meet people so stay out of forums like this stay on fence as it could jeopardise a meet lol. I get that totally but I don't care, immigration is brilliant we need it but control it.

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By *unfunfun xMan
over a year ago

LONDON

NHS will be empty of staff if we didn't have immigration we need immigration but ffs control it. £6 million a day a day in hotels seriously that ok is it?

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

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Why do you consider Ukrainian refugees an exception that deserve fast tracking? To reference your other pis6, why can't they stop in France, Italy or Spain?

There is not a lot of English spoken in France, Italy or Spain and the poor sods are hoping for a decent start to their new lives!

Also we take far less refugees than any of those countries and the rest of Europe for that matter.

Many asylum seekers will understandably try ti reach a country where they may have links or as you say speak at least a little of the language

I don’t believe that for a minute. Why are they coming across Europe to get here.

Stop giving them free shit if they are illegal and send them back. "

Asylum seekers aren't illegal.

I'm not sure what yiu mean by "free shit".

Also whether you believe it or not, we receive far less asylum seekers than the restvof Europe. Its a fact easily ratified

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By *unfunfun xMan
over a year ago

LONDON

Facts Britain is a tiny island, France Germany are much larger in size much larger so there's why we take less.

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By *unfunfun xMan
over a year ago

LONDON

And if there being housed in hotels at 6 million a day doesn't that tell you, hold on we got know where to put them, did you offer a room to a urkraine when that law come in?????

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"There is prob a few reading thinking disgusting what I'm typing. But few who agree but this is a site to meet people so stay out of forums like this stay on fence as it could jeopardise a meet lol. I get that totally but I don't care, immigration is brilliant we need it but control it. "

No one is has said uncontrolled immigration is acceptable, either on here or political party wise..

I'll be honest even as a bit of a left leaning person I'm not sure many at all from Albania has a valid case for asylum but countries where there is alongside Ukraine an armed conflict going on or the regime is oppressive then there are and will be valid cases from those..

The whole issue is being used as a deflection by this government who have by their policy of removing the means whereby safe and legal applications could be made caused the whole boats issue, they were warned it would happen and pressed on as that's what their core voters want..

It's a complete mess but it's down to the Tory government..

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By *unfunfun xMan
over a year ago

LONDON

Tories Labour there both to blame whatever government is in power when they try to pass the law with votes either Labour or tories will block it, political games they both have messed up the system but unfortunately we gotta have someone in control of country just a shame we have terrible political parties there all the same.

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By *ts the taking part thatMan
over a year ago

southampton

"Facts Britain is a tiny island, France Germany are much larger in size much larger so there's why we take less. "

Shush...... snowflakes & bleeding hearts don't want reasoned argument.

France & Spain have very small populations when compared to country size & the UK.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

If nothing else good filter these threads x

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"If nothing else good filter these threads x

Filter? In what way.. ?

Those with alternative views ?

Prey Tell ?

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By *isfits behaving badlyCouple
over a year ago

Coventry

I know RAF Scampton was proposed. I know the camp and the area. Sounds a terrible idea. Why because simply it's in the middle of nowhere with nothing around like shops, amenities or things to do. Just a load of residential family housing in what was the old married quarters site. So dumping 100s of people next to a quiet family community in middle of no where with nothing to do sounds unfair on both the residents and the migrants. Imagine when they are free to move around all there is to move around in is quiet residential streets. Not much fun for them and not good for the ambiance and feeling of security for the neighbourhood. I am by no means insinuating these migrants are criminals or wrong do'ers just people find it very unsettling when there are groups of strangers roaming around all times of day without task or purpose. If I was being cynical I'd say the Government's plan is to try ghettoise these people in far off dumping grounds and hide them as far a way as possible from large centre's of voting population. Kind of out of sight out of mind tactics for the next elections.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We're paying 6 million in hotels, way over what it costs to book a room. Yet no one is asking who owns the hotels and why they are being paid so much over the goung rate for rooms..."

The hotel nearest me, took on a migrant contract, conveniently ownership changed hands a few months prior to the contract being executed

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

What's going on here guys ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Outcry as a RAF base in Essex is to be used to give safe accomodation to migrants. Locals protesting and even the local council up in arms..

What's going on here guys. It's all over the news...."

Sure its an outcry, would be nice if we could get our own homeless citizens a roof over there head too! Not taking anything away from the humanitarian effort. Just saying.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it's a reasonable idea, also understand why close by villages arnt keen,

On thing I do question is after watching how bad our homeless rates are why have these never been opened up to them?

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By *imbo59seMan
over a year ago

North Norfolk area

"I refuse to be swayed into villainising migrants and asylum seekers when the real criminals are in charge of the government. I can attest to the fact that the military accommodation is likely shit anyway, and the base was probably due to be shut down soon, if it hasn't been already."

Sorry, but do you actually know what "attest" means?

"likely" and "probably" would seem to indicate otherwise!!

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By *XZRMan
over a year ago

Highland

"Would it be fair to say that a burger van or chip shop van would make a fortune if parked outside."

Seriously? Walk a mile in their shoes before spouting utter sh!t like that. Ffs.

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

"I think it's a reasonable idea, also understand why close by villages arnt keen,

On thing I do question is after watching how bad our homeless rates are why have these never been opened up to them?

Quite simply because the government are only doing this because they are legally obliged to abd can use it to stir up hate and division. Its not because they care.

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By *imbo59seMan
over a year ago

North Norfolk area

Disappointed about Scampton!

Wonder how long before the memorial to Gibson's dog will be vandalised.....bad enough that the name was removed (Guy Gibson.... 617 Squadron, Dam busters)

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By *oubleswing2019Man
over a year ago

Colchester

"If nothing else good filter these threads x

I completely agree Candy.

It's "Red Flag City" through and through.

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By *unfunfun xMan
over a year ago

LONDON

I stayed in hotel in Brighton just on the border with the town centre, there was a lot of refugees staying there I would say 98% young men they mostly just sat outside on wall smoking and wolf whistling or trying get peoples attention, now is this wrong I dunno where else can they go? But all young men mid 20s plus. So my point is if where using hotels meant to be for tourists from abroad to boost UK revenue and British folk off for seaside weekend but its taken up with immigration people that says enough is enough, there use the butlins holiday camps next.

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By *oubleswing2019Man
over a year ago

Colchester

"What's going on here guys ?"

Well someone called Tom habitually starts a thread typically with a contentious angle, lights the touch paper and then retires to watch the fireworks. Time and time again. Over months. Over years. It's called trolling and sadly people fall for it every single time. You'd think folks would have learned by now, eh Tom ?

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

"Disappointed about Scampton!

Wonder how long before the memorial to Gibson's dog will be vandalised.....bad enough that the name was removed (Guy Gibson.... 617 Squadron, Dam busters) "

Why would it be vandalised?

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By *unfunfun xMan
over a year ago

LONDON

All the ones who are for this madness going on, a question when the government was paying people to house a urkraine person. Did you house a urkraine person yes or no? Let me guess cause you bloody didn't lol hypocrites once again.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Would it be fair to say that a burger van or chip shop van would make a fortune if parked outside.

Seriously? Walk a mile in their shoes before spouting utter sh!t like that. Ffs. "

It's capitalism.. surely

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

"I stayed in hotel in Brighton just on the border with the town centre, there was a lot of refugees staying there I would say 98% young men they mostly just sat outside on wall smoking and wolf whistling or trying get peoples attention, now is this wrong I dunno where else can they go? But all young men mid 20s plus. So my point is if where using hotels meant to be for tourists from abroad to boost UK revenue and British folk off for seaside weekend but its taken up with immigration people that says enough is enough, there use the butlins holiday camps next."

Which hotel was this?

I thought the knea housing refugees were solely housing them and not open to other guests?

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By *oubleswing2019Man
over a year ago

Colchester

"there use the butlins holiday camps next."

I know the British invented camps to incarcerate people in the Boer War, but Butlins ? Really ? We are not THAT inhumane. (I hope !)

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By *unfunfun xMan
over a year ago

LONDON

Travel lodge walking distance to town centre opposite a main road and park.

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By *bi HaiveMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

"All the ones who are for this madness going on, a question when the government was paying people to house a urkraine person. Did you house a urkraine person yes or no? Let me guess cause you bloody didn't lol hypocrites once again."

No we didn't because we live in a two bed and don't have the space.

Calling people hypocrites for that reason is insulting and pointless.

Do yo ask all the people saying that we should house our homeless first if they give up a bedroom or sofa for them? Because somehow I doubt it.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Migrants can boost local economies.. they have money to spend surely..

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By *unfunfun xMan
over a year ago

LONDON

Anyone house a urkraine person then??? Seen as your shedding tears for these poor people anyone house a unfortunate urkraine person????? You would of got paid for it so anyone, naaaaaaaa course you didn't lol

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By *unfunfun xMan
over a year ago

LONDON

No we didn't because we live in a two bed and don't have the space.

Calling people hypocrites for that reason is insulting and pointless.

Do yo ask all the people saying that we should house our homeless first if they give up a bedroom or sofa for them? Because somehow I doubt it.

A"
brilliant gave me the answer NO WE DON'T HAVE ROOM lol nor do we hense putting people in hotels rest my case

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By *bi HaiveMan
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over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

No we didn't because we live in a two bed and don't have the space.

Calling people hypocrites for that reason is insulting and pointless.

Do yo ask all the people saying that we should house our homeless first if they give up a bedroom or sofa for them? Because somehow I doubt it.

A brilliant gave me the answer NO WE DON'T HAVE ROOM lol nor do we hense putting people in hotels rest my case "

WE don't have room. Next door is a 2 bed with one person living there. Three doors down is a 3 bed with one person living there.

You made no point at all I'm afraid. Try again.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Can Tom do his burger van tho

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By *unfunfun xMan
over a year ago

LONDON

And if you read back I'm all for immigration but wow when your putting people in hotels meant for tourists to boost the UK revenue you got a serious problem. We have no room not enough housing to house people Been here all there lives or 20+ plus years but people still say let in any tom dick Harry. It's gotta be controlled surely you can see that.

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

"Anyone house a urkraine person then??? Seen as your shedding tears for these poor people anyone house a unfortunate urkraine person????? You would of got paid for it so anyone, naaaaaaaa course you didn't lol "

Upthread you commented that youvhad no issue with Ukrainian refugees, did yiu house them?

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By *unfunfun xMan
over a year ago

LONDON

Oh I did make the point I'm sure the urkraine person would of been happy sleeping on your sofa or floor, but cause your not gonna house anyone lol no checks done on this person your not gonna put your family at risk. But you gave best reply WE HAVE NO ROOM.

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By *unfunfun xMan
over a year ago

LONDON

Upthread you commented that youvhad no issue with Ukrainian refugees, did yiu house them?"

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By *unfunfun xMan
over a year ago

LONDON

I've no problem with urkraine or Sudan or whatever country there from its the point there housing people In hotels they tells you we are at breaking point.

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By *oubleswing2019Man
over a year ago

Colchester

"And if you read back I'm all for immigration but wow when your putting people in hotels meant for tourists "

Hotels are meant for tourists ? According to whom ? Where does it say that in the Good Business Guide ?

A hotel is meant for Guests.

It matters not who they are or where they come from. Only that they (or someone else) pays for the bed.

Unclaimed, unpaid beds are dead money. Beds need filling to be viable.

It's business.

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By *eamworkboyMan
over a year ago

Irvine

"The sad thing in my mind is the outcry is seemingly about "not in our back yard" rather than the suitability of the accommodation itself"

That's exactly the feeling I had last night watching the news, some local residents saying they agreed with using the bases, just not in that particular location. One lady was concerned about walking her dog alone in the dark, hello ??? Why would you ?? Immigrants or not.

I see no issue with using the bases but apparently its going to cost more than using hotels due to the cost of upgrading them

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Plenty of beds in France Italy and Spain

Just saying

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By *unfunfun xMan
over a year ago

LONDON

Who is paying this £6 million a day the government so more debt we get into so taxes go up public services cut to pay for this, can't get any revenue from tourists abroad visiting as all hotels taken up, so when your taxes go up don't moan grumble but say awwwwww I don't mind paying 25% of every pound I earn because its helping these people

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There’s a lot of numbers in this and the truth is well what’s the truth? There is enough evidence in the above to work out the government have made a complete hash of this, so vote them out and get someone else in, that’s the world WE live in, some of these people coming in have nothing, have seen war, with their own eyes, what have we seen, most of us ? well there a spat on twitter a few days ago about so and so ….. exactly we have not seen hardship like they have, some of these people have seen apocalyptic scenarios right in front of them, now granted there is also some evidence to say the immigration system is letting in some people who give the impression they are here for a free ride on a comparatively better social system and health service but they are not the reason the nhs is failing, all this smacks of gross incompetence by the govt to do anything remotely humane either way, we are 7 billion people plus spinning on a rock that we are destroying and the media is doing its level best to create enough story to keep the military industrial complex running just fine and dandy while the public fight over crumbs, the right to be heard, when all that really matters is there are human beings out there trying to escape being slaughtered, just let them in for gods sake, feed them house them and before you all cry how? Well if google and Amazon paid their taxes then that’s how hospitals built roads fixed, doctors surgeries opened and the needy taken care of, but no we are trapped in the cycle of governments feeding into the wealthy, the govt aren’t in charge, they don’t make the decisions, the money makers do and until that changes we will be ever downward in the spiral, peace and love

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

"Who is paying this £6 million a day the government so more debt we get into so taxes go up public services cut to pay for this, can't get any revenue from tourists abroad visiting as all hotels taken up, so when your taxes go up don't moan grumble but say awwwwww I don't mind paying 25% of every pound I earn because its helping these people "

I thank "all hotels taken up" is a massive exaggeration

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Feel happy to donate...

Lots of charities out there

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"There’s a lot of numbers in this and the truth is well what’s the truth? There is enough evidence in the above to work out the government have made a complete hash of this, so vote them out and get someone else in, that’s the world WE live in, some of these people coming in have nothing, have seen war, with their own eyes, what have we seen, most of us ? well there a spat on twitter a few days ago about so and so ….. exactly we have not seen hardship like they have, some of these people have seen apocalyptic scenarios right in front of them, now granted there is also some evidence to say the immigration system is letting in some people who give the impression they are here for a free ride on a comparatively better social system and health service but they are not the reason the nhs is failing, all this smacks of gross incompetence by the govt to do anything remotely humane either way, we are 7 billion people plus spinning on a rock that we are destroying and the media is doing its level best to create enough story to keep the military industrial complex running just fine and dandy while the public fight over crumbs, the right to be heard, when all that really matters is there are human beings out there trying to escape being slaughtered, just let them in for gods sake, feed them house them and before you all cry how? Well if google and Amazon paid their taxes then that’s how hospitals built roads fixed, doctors surgeries opened and the needy taken care of, but no we are trapped in the cycle of governments feeding into the wealthy, the govt aren’t in charge, they don’t make the decisions, the money makers do and until that changes we will be ever downward in the spiral, peace and love "

Yep.. great sentiment.. but fleeing Spain Italy and France.. ?

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By *unfunfun xMan
over a year ago

LONDON

There are thousands millions of genuine who need help yes we need to help, but there are thousands and thousands and thousands taking the piss. Like the guy saying I'm 16 when he looked 30 plus it's a joke we need to boot out these ones, but again we got no room like fella above who couldn't house a urkraine person as he has no room.

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By *unfunfun xMan
over a year ago

LONDON

Last point YES IM FOR IMMIGRATION WE NEED IT, but we're at breaking point it needs to be controlled properly tories and Labour both fucked this up both of them, and we suffer while Labour and tories earn there 60 grand wages.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People will keep coming into this country until its been sucked dry

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley

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One lady was concerned about walking her dog alone in the dark, hello ??? Why would you ?? Immigrants or not.

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Is it a dog or a yard of pumpwater?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah but they come to this country with nothing and where does the money for them come from the government and where do the government get there money

Oh yes us stupid fucking tax payers

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

The UK workforce is approx.1.2m short according to latest CBI report into employment numbers.

We so obviously need hundreds of thousands of people who are willing to carry out menial work, let's put these migrants to work in exchange for their keep while they go through the asylum application process.

As for using old military sites, why not?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

This government has added over 100,000 refugees waiting to have their claims assessed, to the waiting list. 13 years tp do something effective about this, including staff and accommodation planning and preparation. UK citizens are decent and have seen the disgusting treatment givem on our behalf to poor people, oftem fleeing wars and degrading crises. We wouldn't want this for our own families and know they deserve common decency and respect. So mamy children have been abducted and the government doesn't care. It's obscene.

A proper plan meeds to be made. Amd all accommodation needs to be of a high standard, fit for anyone coming from traumatic backgrounds.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"This government has added over 100,000 refugees waiting to have their claims assessed, to the waiting list. 13 years tp do something effective about this, including staff and accommodation planning and preparation. UK citizens are decent and have seen the disgusting treatment givem on our behalf to poor people, oftem fleeing wars and degrading crises. We wouldn't want this for our own families and know they deserve common decency and respect. So mamy children have been abducted and the government doesn't care. It's obscene.

A proper plan meeds to be made. Amd all accommodation needs to be of a high standard, fit for anyone coming from traumatic backgrounds. "

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By *REEPALESTINEMan
over a year ago

derby

Great idea

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Tom has a radical idea

bring back the poles..

free movement and all that..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it's a reasonable idea, also understand why close by villages arnt keen,

On thing I do question is after watching how bad our homeless rates are why have these never been opened up to them?

Legally obliged how so when quite alot of the migrants here isn't their next safe location or is it?

Quite simply because the government are only doing this because they are legally obliged to abd can use it to stir up hate and division. Its not because they care.

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By *wingin CatMan
over a year ago

London

Headline in the Daily Mail today:

Refugees to the UK to complete two years National Service. Part of this service will be carried out in Rwanda.

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By *loydyMan
over a year ago

British

They pass through loads of safe country's to get here but we are such a soft touch

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By *loydyMan
over a year ago

British

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By *bi HaiveMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

Yeah right.

Except most of those other countries take in far more refugees, treat them better and don't class them as subhuman, unlike many in this country and on these forums.

To be honest I really wonder why they risk their lives trying to get here given the attitude towards them shown by so many. It's almost as if despite losing homes, families, friends, their possessions and in some cases their lives......it's worth it to them.

Strange that.

If only some could spend a day in their shoes.........

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

There's a proposal to house some refugees in a disused open prison not far from here. Facebook is alight with outrage and 'concerned citizens' are talking about coming across 'gangs of single men' while walking their dogs, 'them' being allowed into the town, curfews etc.

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By *wingin CatMan
over a year ago

London

"There's a proposal to house some refugees in a disused open prison not far from here. Facebook is alight with outrage and 'concerned citizens' are talking about coming across 'gangs of single men' while walking their dogs, 'them' being allowed into the town, curfews etc. "

And it's fake news and concerns such as this that sparked the Knowsley riots at the Suites Hotel in February, when the far-right got involved, torched a police van and assaulted a couple of key workers.

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By *wingin CatMan
over a year ago

London

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By *wingin CatMan
over a year ago

London

"They pass through loads of safe country's to get here but we are such a soft touch "

Keep reading the gutter press tabloids, and believe what you want to believe in your own wibbly-wobbly world.

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

"Headline in the Daily Mail today:

Refugees to the UK to complete two years National Service. Part of this service will be carried out in Rwanda."

I can't find this story. Have you made it up ?

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By *wingin CatMan
over a year ago

London

"Headline in the Daily Mail today:

Refugees to the UK to complete two years National Service. Part of this service will be carried out in Rwanda.

I can't find this story. Have you made it up ?"

Tongue-in-cheek, satirising the right-wing tabloids, of course!!!

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

I know it's fake news, I don't agree with what these people are saying.

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

"Headline in the Daily Mail today:

Refugees to the UK to complete two years National Service. Part of this service will be carried out in Rwanda.

I can't find this story. Have you made it up ?

Tongue-in-cheek, satirising the right-wing tabloids, of course!!!"

I think the Daily Mail could accuse you of libel

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"They pass through loads of safe country's to get here but we are such a soft touch

Keep reading the gutter press tabloids, and believe what you want to believe in your own wibbly-wobbly world."

So... In wibbly wobbly world. How do they arrive here? If not travelling through other countries? Via fax machine?

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By *bi HaiveMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

"They pass through loads of safe country's to get here but we are such a soft touch

Keep reading the gutter press tabloids, and believe what you want to believe in your own wibbly-wobbly world.

So... In wibbly wobbly world. How do they arrive here? If not travelling through other countries? Via fax machine? "

What is this obsession people have with travelling through other countries?

For the umpteenth time - they don't have to stop anywhere, it's not illegal to travel through and they can't apply for asylum until they reach the country they want to apply in?

Why do people not understand this?

Do you really think they want to die in a dinghy environment route just for the sake of it?

Jesus.........

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By *wingin CatMan
over a year ago

London

"Headline in the Daily Mail today:

Refugees to the UK to complete two years National Service. Part of this service will be carried out in Rwanda.

I can't find this story. Have you made it up ?

Tongue-in-cheek, satirising the right-wing tabloids, of course!!!

I think the Daily Mail could accuse you of libel"

I doubt it. I've got a spare sense of humour for sale if you want it?

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

What I can't understand is.

In other countries such as Greece for example on many of the islands Cyprus and others.

Large secure camp's have been built with welfare facilities and the ability to house many people.

Do we not have the ability to do the same?

Or will the bleeding heart liberals start cleaning foul and it being inhuman?

Let's start treating the migrants as humans and create a system to process them efficiently and humanely, people who have arrived Purely for economic reasons fuck them off .

Women and children and families a priority.

Single men who have left their entire family behind sorry no admittance.

Also I have said this before.

It's about bloody time that Arab and Muslim countries started taking more of the share of the migrants not just Turkey.

These massively wealthy Arab nations could easily take care of many thousands and the cultural change would not be as much on these poor people as coming to a completely different culture.

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By *wingin CatMan
over a year ago

London

"They pass through loads of safe country's to get here but we are such a soft touch

Keep reading the gutter press tabloids, and believe what you want to believe in your own wibbly-wobbly world.

So... In wibbly wobbly world. How do they arrive here? If not travelling through other countries? Via fax machine?

What is this obsession people have with travelling through other countries?

For the umpteenth time - they don't have to stop anywhere, it's not illegal to travel through and they can't apply for asylum until they reach the country they want to apply in?

Why do people not understand this?"

Because they're blinkered, and only believe what suits their prejudices.

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By *uncouple0512Couple
over a year ago

wakefield

I very much ill informed and unhelpful comment.

Maybe you should look up where the Murderer was from who killed those 3 Gay Men in reading a few years ago. Or the Manchester arena bombing……..if it was not for the Police, there would be many more attacks.

Glad to educate you a little here

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley

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What is this obsession people have with travelling through other countries?

For the umpteenth time - they don't have to stop anywhere, it's not illegal to travel through and they can't apply for asylum until they reach the country they want to apply in?

Why do people not understand this?

Do you really think they want to die in a dinghy environment route just for the sake of it?

Jesus.........

They want to come here. You can hardly blame them. This is not a bad place despite all that is going wrong. Would you want to be anywhere else in Europe?

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