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"Another tragic event that could be avoided if America wake up and do something about their gun culture. I saw something pop up a couple of weeks ago on the 27th anniversary of the Dunblaine shooting, after which, the government of the day radically reformed gun laws in the UK and since then there has been not one further incident. It's getting to the point now, with the USA, where it would be newsworthy if there was a day when there WASN'T a mass school shooting. Very sad" 
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I can't think of another country in the world where it happens on the same scale.
But hey. Guns........... 
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"89th? Try 129th mass shooting this year!" 89th school shooting. The other 40 weren't in schools. I mean 1 is too many, but this is the USA after all...... A | |||
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"The right to bear arms and all the bullshit behind..." When you listen to the pro gun gang over there, words just fail me. Then there's the extortionate health care. There's a lot wrong with this country but jeez America is in a big ol state. | |||
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"Another tragic event that could be avoided if America wake up and do something about their gun culture. I saw something pop up a couple of weeks ago on the 27th anniversary of the Dunblaine shooting, after which, the government of the day radically reformed gun laws in the UK and since then there has been not one further incident. It's getting to the point now, with the USA, where it would be newsworthy if there was a day when there WASN'T a mass school shooting. Very sad
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I can't think of another country in the world where it happens on the same scale.
But hey. Guns...........
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"Another tragic event that could be avoided if America wake up and do something about their gun culture. I saw something pop up a couple of weeks ago on the 27th anniversary of the Dunblaine shooting, after which, the government of the day radically reformed gun laws in the UK and since then there has been not one further incident. It's getting to the point now, with the USA, where it would be newsworthy if there was a day when there WASN'T a mass school shooting. Very sad" Hardly. After Dunblane, .gov banned most small firearms (handguns). Since then we have had Whitehaven/Cumbria, Woodmancote/West Sussex and more recently Keyham/Plymouth and Epsom/Sussex shootings. Much as I despise the man himself, David Cameron PM said it best, '..you can't legislate for a madman'. | |||
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"Yes. I also heard about it, not good rip, who else agrees with this saying that, guns dont kill people do?" Guns don't kill people but they're a much more effective way to get the job done. I'm not in favour of effective methods of killing. | |||
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"Another tragic event that could be avoided if America wake up and do something about their gun culture. I saw something pop up a couple of weeks ago on the 27th anniversary of the Dunblaine shooting, after which, the government of the day radically reformed gun laws in the UK and since then there has been not one further incident. It's getting to the point now, with the USA, where it would be newsworthy if there was a day when there WASN'T a mass school shooting. Very sad Hardly. After Dunblane, .gov banned most small firearms (handguns). Since then we have had Whitehaven/Cumbria, Woodmancote/West Sussex and more recently Keyham/Plymouth and Epsom/Sussex shootings. Much as I despise the man himself, David Cameron PM said it best, '..you can't legislate for a madman'. " That's 4. In how many years? Compared to the USA that's clear evidence we made the right choice. A | |||
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"Another tragic event that could be avoided if America wake up and do something about their gun culture. I saw something pop up a couple of weeks ago on the 27th anniversary of the Dunblaine shooting, after which, the government of the day radically reformed gun laws in the UK and since then there has been not one further incident. It's getting to the point now, with the USA, where it would be newsworthy if there was a day when there WASN'T a mass school shooting. Very sad
Yep.
I can't think of another country in the world where it happens on the same scale.
But hey. Guns...........
A"Depends how you compile your stats. Per head of population, the US is a mere 11th: Average (Mean) Annual Death Rate per Million People from Mass Public Shootings (U.S., Canada, and Europe, 2009-2015): Norway — 1.888 Serbia — 0.381 France — 0.347 Macedonia — 0.337 Albania — 0.206 Slovakia — 0.185 Switzerland — 0.142 Finland — 0.132 Belgium — 0.128 Czech Republic — 0.123 United States — 0.089 Austria — 0.068 Netherlands — 0.051 Canada — 0.032 England — 0.027 Germany — 0.023 Russia — 0.012 Italy — 0.009 | |||
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"Yes. I also heard about it, not good rip, who else agrees with this saying that, guns dont kill people do?" I do agree with that. As anything can be used as a weapon to be fair, but with guns so easily attainable such as a nation like the US, it seems that its not going to be aproblem thats just gonna go away by itself really | |||
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"Another tragic event that could be avoided if America wake up and do something about their gun culture. I saw something pop up a couple of weeks ago on the 27th anniversary of the Dunblaine shooting, after which, the government of the day radically reformed gun laws in the UK and since then there has been not one further incident. It's getting to the point now, with the USA, where it would be newsworthy if there was a day when there WASN'T a mass school shooting. Very sad
Yep.
I can't think of another country in the world where it happens on the same scale.
But hey. Guns...........
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Depends how you compile your stats. Per head of population, the US is a mere 11th:
Average (Mean) Annual Death Rate per Million People from Mass Public Shootings (U.S., Canada, and Europe, 2009-2015):
Norway — 1.888
Serbia — 0.381
France — 0.347
Macedonia — 0.337
Albania — 0.206
Slovakia — 0.185
Switzerland — 0.142
Finland — 0.132
Belgium — 0.128
Czech Republic — 0.123
United States — 0.089
Austria — 0.068
Netherlands — 0.051
Canada — 0.032
England — 0.027
Germany — 0.023
Russia — 0.012
Italy — 0.009"I'd be interested in the source data for that. A | |||
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"Another tragic event that could be avoided if America wake up and do something about their gun culture. I saw something pop up a couple of weeks ago on the 27th anniversary of the Dunblaine shooting, after which, the government of the day radically reformed gun laws in the UK and since then there has been not one further incident. It's getting to the point now, with the USA, where it would be newsworthy if there was a day when there WASN'T a mass school shooting. Very sad
Yep.
I can't think of another country in the world where it happens on the same scale.
But hey. Guns...........
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Depends how you compile your stats. Per head of population, the US is a mere 11th:
Average (Mean) Annual Death Rate per Million People from Mass Public Shootings (U.S., Canada, and Europe, 2009-2015):
Norway — 1.888
Serbia — 0.381
France — 0.347
Macedonia — 0.337
Albania — 0.206
Slovakia — 0.185
Switzerland — 0.142
Finland — 0.132
Belgium — 0.128
Czech Republic — 0.123
United States — 0.089
Austria — 0.068
Netherlands — 0.051
Canada — 0.032
England — 0.027
Germany — 0.023
Russia — 0.012
Italy — 0.009"How on earth is Norway so high?... I'd always thought it was one of the safest places to love in the world | |||
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"Another tragic event that could be avoided if America wake up and do something about their gun culture. I saw something pop up a couple of weeks ago on the 27th anniversary of the Dunblaine shooting, after which, the government of the day radically reformed gun laws in the UK and since then there has been not one further incident. It's getting to the point now, with the USA, where it would be newsworthy if there was a day when there WASN'T a mass school shooting. Very sad
Yep.
I can't think of another country in the world where it happens on the same scale.
But hey. Guns...........
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Depends how you compile your stats. Per head of population, the US is a mere 11th:
Average (Mean) Annual Death Rate per Million People from Mass Public Shootings (U.S., Canada, and Europe, 2009-2015):
Norway — 1.888
Serbia — 0.381
France — 0.347
Macedonia — 0.337
Albania — 0.206
Slovakia — 0.185
Switzerland — 0.142
Finland — 0.132
Belgium — 0.128
Czech Republic — 0.123
United States — 0.089
Austria — 0.068
Netherlands — 0.051
Canada — 0.032
England — 0.027
Germany — 0.023
Russia — 0.012
Italy — 0.009
How on earth is Norway so high?... I'd always thought it was one of the safest places to love in the world"*Live | |||
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"Another tragic event that could be avoided if America wake up and do something about their gun culture. I saw something pop up a couple of weeks ago on the 27th anniversary of the Dunblaine shooting, after which, the government of the day radically reformed gun laws in the UK and since then there has been not one further incident. It's getting to the point now, with the USA, where it would be newsworthy if there was a day when there WASN'T a mass school shooting. Very sad
Yep.
I can't think of another country in the world where it happens on the same scale.
But hey. Guns...........
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Depends how you compile your stats. Per head of population, the US is a mere 11th:
Average (Mean) Annual Death Rate per Million People from Mass Public Shootings (U.S., Canada, and Europe, 2009-2015):
Norway — 1.888
Serbia — 0.381
France — 0.347
Macedonia — 0.337
Albania — 0.206
Slovakia — 0.185
Switzerland — 0.142
Finland — 0.132
Belgium — 0.128
Czech Republic — 0.123
United States — 0.089
Austria — 0.068
Netherlands — 0.051
Canada — 0.032
England — 0.027
Germany — 0.023
Russia — 0.012
Italy — 0.009
I'd be interested in the source data for that.
A"From a site called World Population Review: "Exactly how mass shootings in the U.S. compare to those in other countries is a highly disputed subject. In a widely publicized study originally released in 2015, the pro-gun nonprofit Crime Prevention Research Center (CPRC) compared the annual number of mass shooting deaths per million people in the U.S. to that of Canada and several European countries from 2009 to 2015. The result? Norway led the world with 1.88 deaths per million, followed by Serbia, France, and Macedonia. Where did the U.S. rank? 11th place." then it gives the same figures quoted. | |||
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"Another tragic event that could be avoided if America wake up and do something about their gun culture. I saw something pop up a couple of weeks ago on the 27th anniversary of the Dunblaine shooting, after which, the government of the day radically reformed gun laws in the UK and since then there has been not one further incident. It's getting to the point now, with the USA, where it would be newsworthy if there was a day when there WASN'T a mass school shooting. Very sad
Yep.
I can't think of another country in the world where it happens on the same scale.
But hey. Guns...........
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Depends how you compile your stats. Per head of population, the US is a mere 11th:
Average (Mean) Annual Death Rate per Million People from Mass Public Shootings (U.S., Canada, and Europe, 2009-2015):
Norway — 1.888
Serbia — 0.381
France — 0.347
Macedonia — 0.337
Albania — 0.206
Slovakia — 0.185
Switzerland — 0.142
Finland — 0.132
Belgium — 0.128
Czech Republic — 0.123
United States — 0.089
Austria — 0.068
Netherlands — 0.051
Canada — 0.032
England — 0.027
Germany — 0.023
Russia — 0.012
Italy — 0.009
I'd be interested in the source data for that.
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From a site called World Population Review:
"Exactly how mass shootings in the U.S. compare to those in other countries is a highly disputed subject. In a widely publicized study originally released in 2015, the pro-gun nonprofit Crime Prevention Research Center (CPRC) compared the annual number of mass shooting deaths per million people in the U.S. to that of Canada and several European countries from 2009 to 2015. The result? Norway led the world with 1.88 deaths per million, followed by Serbia, France, and Macedonia. Where did the U.S. rank? 11th place." then it gives the same figures quoted."Yep. I found similar data on another site and also a link to a snopes article on it, which included this info on the source of those stats. "The source of the list is a 2015 article published by the Crime Prevention Research Center (CPRC), a pro-gun rights nonprofit run by economist John Lott. In his research, Lott found that between 2009 and 2015, the number of people killed in a mass shooting in the United States (in relation to the overall population) was lower than it was in several European countries, including Norway, France, Switzerland and Finland." A | |||
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"Another tragic event that could be avoided if America wake up and do something about their gun culture. I saw something pop up a couple of weeks ago on the 27th anniversary of the Dunblaine shooting, after which, the government of the day radically reformed gun laws in the UK and since then there has been not one further incident. It's getting to the point now, with the USA, where it would be newsworthy if there was a day when there WASN'T a mass school shooting. Very sad
Yep.
I can't think of another country in the world where it happens on the same scale.
But hey. Guns...........
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Depends how you compile your stats. Per head of population, the US is a mere 11th:
Average (Mean) Annual Death Rate per Million People from Mass Public Shootings (U.S., Canada, and Europe, 2009-2015):
Norway — 1.888
Serbia — 0.381
France — 0.347
Macedonia — 0.337
Albania — 0.206
Slovakia — 0.185
Switzerland — 0.142
Finland — 0.132
Belgium — 0.128
Czech Republic — 0.123
United States — 0.089
Austria — 0.068
Netherlands — 0.051
Canada — 0.032
England — 0.027
Germany — 0.023
Russia — 0.012
Italy — 0.009
I'd be interested in the source data for that.
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From a site called World Population Review:
"Exactly how mass shootings in the U.S. compare to those in other countries is a highly disputed subject. In a widely publicized study originally released in 2015, the pro-gun nonprofit Crime Prevention Research Center (CPRC) compared the annual number of mass shooting deaths per million people in the U.S. to that of Canada and several European countries from 2009 to 2015. The result? Norway led the world with 1.88 deaths per million, followed by Serbia, France, and Macedonia. Where did the U.S. rank? 11th place." then it gives the same figures quoted.
Yep.
I found similar data on another site and also a link to a snopes article on it, which included this info on the source of those stats.
"The source of the list is a 2015 article published by the Crime Prevention Research Center (CPRC), a pro-gun rights nonprofit run by economist John Lott. In his research, Lott found that between 2009 and 2015, the number of people killed in a mass shooting in the United States (in relation to the overall population) was lower than it was in several European countries, including Norway, France, Switzerland and Finland."
A"Sorry - forgot to add the conclusion!
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Our conclusion is that this is accurate based on the CPRC's definition of a mass shooting, but also extremely misleading. It uses inappropriate statistical methods to obscure the reality that mass shootings are very rare in most countries, so that when they do happen they have an outsized statistical effect. Of the countries chosen by Lott for his analysis, the United States is by some distance the most consistent site of mass shootings."
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"Another tragic event that could be avoided if America wake up and do something about their gun culture. I saw something pop up a couple of weeks ago on the 27th anniversary of the Dunblaine shooting, after which, the government of the day radically reformed gun laws in the UK and since then there has been not one further incident. It's getting to the point now, with the USA, where it would be newsworthy if there was a day when there WASN'T a mass school shooting. Very sad
Yep.
I can't think of another country in the world where it happens on the same scale.
But hey. Guns...........
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Depends how you compile your stats. Per head of population, the US is a mere 11th:
Average (Mean) Annual Death Rate per Million People from Mass Public Shootings (U.S., Canada, and Europe, 2009-2015):
Norway — 1.888
Serbia — 0.381
France — 0.347
Macedonia — 0.337
Albania — 0.206
Slovakia — 0.185
Switzerland — 0.142
Finland — 0.132
Belgium — 0.128
Czech Republic — 0.123
United States — 0.089
Austria — 0.068
Netherlands — 0.051
Canada — 0.032
England — 0.027
Germany — 0.023
Russia — 0.012
Italy — 0.009
I'd be interested in the source data for that.
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From a site called World Population Review:
"Exactly how mass shootings in the U.S. compare to those in other countries is a highly disputed subject. In a widely publicized study originally released in 2015, the pro-gun nonprofit Crime Prevention Research Center (CPRC) compared the annual number of mass shooting deaths per million people in the U.S. to that of Canada and several European countries from 2009 to 2015. The result? Norway led the world with 1.88 deaths per million, followed by Serbia, France, and Macedonia. Where did the U.S. rank? 11th place." then it gives the same figures quoted."That's the one. Figures get skewed by how they are collected. I think four people have to get shot, in the same incident, in the US before it's even considered a mass shooting. Less than that is just a normal day. Figures for those are phenomenally high, especially in places like Detroit, Chicago, Washington and others. | |||
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"Another tragic event that could be avoided if America wake up and do something about their gun culture. I saw something pop up a couple of weeks ago on the 27th anniversary of the Dunblaine shooting, after which, the government of the day radically reformed gun laws in the UK and since then there has been not one further incident. It's getting to the point now, with the USA, where it would be newsworthy if there was a day when there WASN'T a mass school shooting. Very sad
Yep.
I can't think of another country in the world where it happens on the same scale.
But hey. Guns...........
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Depends how you compile your stats. Per head of population, the US is a mere 11th:
Average (Mean) Annual Death Rate per Million People from Mass Public Shootings (U.S., Canada, and Europe, 2009-2015):
Norway — 1.888
Serbia — 0.381
France — 0.347
Macedonia — 0.337
Albania — 0.206
Slovakia — 0.185
Switzerland — 0.142
Finland — 0.132
Belgium — 0.128
Czech Republic — 0.123
United States — 0.089
Austria — 0.068
Netherlands — 0.051
Canada — 0.032
England — 0.027
Germany — 0.023
Russia — 0.012
Italy — 0.009
I'd be interested in the source data for that.
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From a site called World Population Review:
"Exactly how mass shootings in the U.S. compare to those in other countries is a highly disputed subject. In a widely publicized study originally released in 2015, the pro-gun nonprofit Crime Prevention Research Center (CPRC) compared the annual number of mass shooting deaths per million people in the U.S. to that of Canada and several European countries from 2009 to 2015. The result? Norway led the world with 1.88 deaths per million, followed by Serbia, France, and Macedonia. Where did the U.S. rank? 11th place." then it gives the same figures quoted.
Yep.
I found similar data on another site and also a link to a snopes article on it, which included this info on the source of those stats.
"The source of the list is a 2015 article published by the Crime Prevention Research Center (CPRC), a pro-gun rights nonprofit run by economist John Lott. In his research, Lott found that between 2009 and 2015, the number of people killed in a mass shooting in the United States (in relation to the overall population) was lower than it was in several European countries, including Norway, France, Switzerland and Finland."
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Our conclusion is that this is accurate based on the CPRC's definition of a mass shooting, but also extremely misleading. It uses inappropriate statistical methods to obscure the reality that mass shootings are very rare in most countries, so that when they do happen they have an outsized statistical effect. Of the countries chosen by Lott for his analysis, the United States is by some distance the most consistent site of mass shootings."
A"Ahh. Cherry picking. Of course 
I remember when I was studying crime stats in more detail, people telling me that Australia had become a hotbed of violence after Port Arthur (Australia's Dunblane). I mean I suppose if you squinted at it funny, only looked at one particular type of crime, ignored normal variations in the data, etc. | |||
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"Another tragic event that could be avoided if America wake up and do something about their gun culture. I saw something pop up a couple of weeks ago on the 27th anniversary of the Dunblaine shooting, after which, the government of the day radically reformed gun laws in the UK and since then there has been not one further incident. It's getting to the point now, with the USA, where it would be newsworthy if there was a day when there WASN'T a mass school shooting. Very sad
Yep.
I can't think of another country in the world where it happens on the same scale.
But hey. Guns...........
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Depends how you compile your stats. Per head of population, the US is a mere 11th:
Average (Mean) Annual Death Rate per Million People from Mass Public Shootings (U.S., Canada, and Europe, 2009-2015):
Norway — 1.888
Serbia — 0.381
France — 0.347
Macedonia — 0.337
Albania — 0.206
Slovakia — 0.185
Switzerland — 0.142
Finland — 0.132
Belgium — 0.128
Czech Republic — 0.123
United States — 0.089
Austria — 0.068
Netherlands — 0.051
Canada — 0.032
England — 0.027
Germany — 0.023
Russia — 0.012
Italy — 0.009
How on earth is Norway so high?... I'd always thought it was one of the safest places to love in the world"Anders Breivik.. | |||
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"Another tragic event that could be avoided if America wake up and do something about their gun culture. I saw something pop up a couple of weeks ago on the 27th anniversary of the Dunblaine shooting, after which, the government of the day radically reformed gun laws in the UK and since then there has been not one further incident. It's getting to the point now, with the USA, where it would be newsworthy if there was a day when there WASN'T a mass school shooting. Very sad
Yep.
I can't think of another country in the world where it happens on the same scale.
But hey. Guns...........
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Depends how you compile your stats. Per head of population, the US is a mere 11th:
Average (Mean) Annual Death Rate per Million People from Mass Public Shootings (U.S., Canada, and Europe, 2009-2015):
Norway — 1.888
Serbia — 0.381
France — 0.347
Macedonia — 0.337
Albania — 0.206
Slovakia — 0.185
Switzerland — 0.142
Finland — 0.132
Belgium — 0.128
Czech Republic — 0.123
United States — 0.089
Austria — 0.068
Netherlands — 0.051
Canada — 0.032
England — 0.027
Germany — 0.023
Russia — 0.012
Italy — 0.009
How on earth is Norway so high?... I'd always thought it was one of the safest places to love in the world
Anders Breivik.."A proper statistical analysis would likely control for anomalous years, except where the point is to examine the anomaly (for example, Covid analysis - I typically see 2013-18 average and 2020 side by side) | |||
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"Lies, damn lies & statistics.. US lies second only to Brazil in terms of total fatalities by shooting. Per capita it lies 11th or 12th (but these include countries at war or massive civil unrest) Mass shootings only contribute a small amount of deaths with suicide being over 60%.. In short the US has a major problem with guns.. how anyone can argue otherwise is beyond any sensible adult comprehension. " I comprehend. Ideology. | |||
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"Got a feeling the latest shooting incident is going to get buried by the media very soon. Because the shooter does not fit the media stereotype bogeyman of what a shooter should look like/where a shooter came from. " It'll be forgotten by the national media quickly, but not because of that. It took just over a week for them to stop talking about the one that happened last month at the university that's in the next town over from me. That one got my nephew scared the most since his elementary school is not far from the university, it's to the point where he's asking his mom to have plans at home if someone comes into their home and shots them. | |||
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"Got a feeling the latest shooting incident is going to get buried by the media very soon. Because the shooter does not fit the media stereotype bogeyman of what a shooter should look like/where a shooter came from. It'll be forgotten by the national media quickly, but not because of that. It took just over a week for them to stop talking about the one that happened last month at the university that's in the next town over from me. That one got my nephew scared the most since his elementary school is not far from the university, it's to the point where he's asking his mom to have plans at home if someone comes into their home and shots them." Fuck. I'm so sorry. Thoughts and prayers do fuck all to actually help. It's just so awful that kids have to go through it. | |||
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"Another tragic event that could be avoided if America wake up and do something about their gun culture. I saw something pop up a couple of weeks ago on the 27th anniversary of the Dunblaine shooting, after which, the government of the day radically reformed gun laws in the UK and since then there has been not one further incident. It's getting to the point now, with the USA, where it would be newsworthy if there was a day when there WASN'T a mass school shooting. Very sad
Yep.
I can't think of another country in the world where it happens on the same scale.
But hey. Guns...........
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Depends how you compile your stats. Per head of population, the US is a mere 11th:
Average (Mean) Annual Death Rate per Million People from Mass Public Shootings (U.S., Canada, and Europe, 2009-2015):
Norway — 1.888
Serbia — 0.381
France — 0.347
Macedonia — 0.337
Albania — 0.206
Slovakia — 0.185
Switzerland — 0.142
Finland — 0.132
Belgium — 0.128
Czech Republic — 0.123
United States — 0.089
Austria — 0.068
Netherlands — 0.051
Canada — 0.032
England — 0.027
Germany — 0.023
Russia — 0.012
Italy — 0.009
How on earth is Norway so high?... I'd always thought it was one of the safest places to love in the world
Anders Breivik..
A proper statistical analysis would likely control for anomalous years, except where the point is to examine the anomaly (for example, Covid analysis - I typically see 2013-18 average and 2020 side by side)". See this in many other areas...it's gaslighting...pure and simple. | |||
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"Another tragic event that could be avoided if America wake up and do something about their gun culture. I saw something pop up a couple of weeks ago on the 27th anniversary of the Dunblaine shooting, after which, the government of the day radically reformed gun laws in the UK and since then there has been not one further incident. It's getting to the point now, with the USA, where it would be newsworthy if there was a day when there WASN'T a mass school shooting. Very sad
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I can't think of another country in the world where it happens on the same scale.
But hey. Guns...........
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Average (Mean) Annual Death Rate per Million People from Mass Public Shootings (U.S., Canada, and Europe, 2009-2015):
Norway — 1.888
Serbia — 0.381
France — 0.347
Macedonia — 0.337
Albania — 0.206
Slovakia — 0.185
Switzerland — 0.142
Finland — 0.132
Belgium — 0.128
Czech Republic — 0.123
United States — 0.089
Austria — 0.068
Netherlands — 0.051
Canada — 0.032
England — 0.027
Germany — 0.023
Russia — 0.012
Italy — 0.009
How on earth is Norway so high?... I'd always thought it was one of the safest places to love in the world
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"Lies, damn lies & statistics.. US lies second only to Brazil in terms of total fatalities by shooting. Per capita it lies 11th or 12th (but these include countries at war or massive civil unrest) Mass shootings only contribute a small amount of deaths with suicide being over 60%.. In short the US has a major problem with guns.. how anyone can argue otherwise is beyond any sensible adult comprehension. " I don't think many outside the US would argue with that, for a developed country. I have a fair few US contacts, most of whom are shooters, and they do not equate their ownership with actions of crazy people. Why should they? When I get into discussions with them on this subject they talk against gun control, and I ask; Do you think mentally disturbed people should have guns? Do you think violent people should have guns? Do you think known felons should have guns? The answer to each is obviously no, so they do believe in gun control, just not for them personally because they can never envisage themselves doing anything bad with their guns. For the most part they are correct. | |||
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"Another tragic event that could be avoided if America wake up and do something about their gun culture. I saw something pop up a couple of weeks ago on the 27th anniversary of the Dunblaine shooting, after which, the government of the day radically reformed gun laws in the UK and since then there has been not one further incident. It's getting to the point now, with the USA, where it would be newsworthy if there was a day when there WASN'T a mass school shooting. Very sad
Yep.
I can't think of another country in the world where it happens on the same scale.
But hey. Guns...........
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Average (Mean) Annual Death Rate per Million People from Mass Public Shootings (U.S., Canada, and Europe, 2009-2015):
Norway — 1.888
Serbia — 0.381
France — 0.347
Macedonia — 0.337
Albania — 0.206
Slovakia — 0.185
Switzerland — 0.142
Finland — 0.132
Belgium — 0.128
Czech Republic — 0.123
United States — 0.089
Austria — 0.068
Netherlands — 0.051
Canada — 0.032
England — 0.027
Germany — 0.023
Russia — 0.012
Italy — 0.009
How on earth is Norway so high?... I'd always thought it was one of the safest places to love in the world
Anders Breivik..
A proper statistical analysis would likely control for anomalous years, except where the point is to examine the anomaly (for example, Covid analysis - I typically see 2013-18 average and 2020 side by side). See this in many other areas...it's gaslighting...pure and simple. "Yeah, it's difficult. It's not that I don't believe statistics, it's just that GIGO applies. (Garbage in, garbage out) If you define your terms to give an answer that you want, you get meaningless bullshit. (In another context - when you're allowed to do clinical trials - they found no benefit to injury or mortality of jumping from a plane with a parachute. Devil is in the detail, of course, and you should not forego your parachute) | |||
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"It's been all over the news since first thing this morning... Those poor babies
When's it ever going to end?"I think Americans* have repeatedly decided - and most emphatically since Sandy Hook - that they value their guns over their children's lives and mental health. * As a collective, not all individual Americans | |||
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"Another tragic event that could be avoided if America wake up and do something about their gun culture. I saw something pop up a couple of weeks ago on the 27th anniversary of the Dunblaine shooting, after which, the government of the day radically reformed gun laws in the UK and since then there has been not one further incident. It's getting to the point now, with the USA, where it would be newsworthy if there was a day when there WASN'T a mass school shooting. Very sad
Yep.
I can't think of another country in the world where it happens on the same scale.
But hey. Guns...........
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Depends how you compile your stats. Per head of population, the US is a mere 11th:
Average (Mean) Annual Death Rate per Million People from Mass Public Shootings (U.S., Canada, and Europe, 2009-2015):
Norway — 1.888
Serbia — 0.381
France — 0.347
Macedonia — 0.337
Albania — 0.206
Slovakia — 0.185
Switzerland — 0.142
Finland — 0.132
Belgium — 0.128
Czech Republic — 0.123
United States — 0.089
Austria — 0.068
Netherlands — 0.051
Canada — 0.032
England — 0.027
Germany — 0.023
Russia — 0.012
Italy — 0.009
How on earth is Norway so high?... I'd always thought it was one of the safest places to love in the world
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"Yes. I also heard about it, not good rip, who else agrees with this saying that, guns dont kill people do?" Well if those people didnt have a firearm, the would have to use less effective methods if they wanted to kill other people. So the net effect is less deaths. Guns help people kill people. | |||
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"Yes. I also heard about it, not good rip, who else agrees with this saying that, guns dont kill people do? Well if those people didnt have a firearm, the would have to use less effective methods if they wanted to kill other people. So the net effect is less deaths. Guns help people kill people." Years ago I heard about a guy in Japan who went on a rampage with a pencil. Imagine how many people would be alive if Americans went rampaging with pencils not guns. | |||
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"It will carry on until the end of time, American citizens will not give up their right to bare arms and nutters exist everywhere, i think as terrible as it is its part of that countries make up and so therefore an every day occurrence " | |||
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"Lies, damn lies & statistics.. US lies second only to Brazil in terms of total fatalities by shooting. Per capita it lies 11th or 12th (but these include countries at war or massive civil unrest) Mass shootings only contribute a small amount of deaths with suicide being over 60%.. In short the US has a major problem with guns.. how anyone can argue otherwise is beyond any sensible adult comprehension. I don't think many outside the US would argue with that, for a developed country. I have a fair few US contacts, most of whom are shooters, and they do not equate their ownership with actions of crazy people. Why should they? When I get into discussions with them on this subject they talk against gun control, and I ask; Do you think mentally disturbed people should have guns? Do you think violent people should have guns? Do you think known felons should have guns? The answer to each is obviously no, so they do believe in gun control, just not for them personally because they can never envisage themselves doing anything bad with their guns. For the most part they are correct." The issue is that mental illness, being violent and being a felon can happen to perfectly sane, peaceful, law abiding people at any time. Not forgetting the fact that each and every gun ever manufactured was meant to be used lawfully and legally. Yet so many aren't..........  The term 'illegal gun'is commonly used but is in fact an oxymoron.
The solution seems pretty logical to anyone outside the USA.
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"Yes. I also heard about it, not good rip, who else agrees with this saying that, guns dont kill people do? Well if those people didnt have a firearm, the would have to use less effective methods if they wanted to kill other people. So the net effect is less deaths. Guns help people kill people. Years ago I heard about a guy in Japan who went on a rampage with a pencil. Imagine how many people would be alive if Americans went rampaging with pencils not guns." Except John Wick. 
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"It's been all over the news since first thing this morning... Those poor babies
When's it ever going to end?
I think Americans* have repeatedly decided - and most emphatically since Sandy Hook - that they value their guns over their children's lives and mental health.
* As a collective, not all individual Americans"If you look at the the data most Americans support more comprehensive gun controls....however many of their representatives are funded by the gun lobby and the the nature of the electoral system...means the majority are denied. | |||
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"I've become desensitised to it. It's tragic every time it happens but at this point it's just self inflicted because they could do something about it, they just choose not to "For me it's a bit like thinking about my grandfather, who has been gone for over a decade. The heartache dulls but it never leaves me. | |||
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"Would you still be sending your children to school? " My dad actually had the opportunity to work in NYC. It would have been an incredible career move for him. Guns were a large part of the reason he said no. He would not put his children through that. | |||
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"Gun control does differ by state...for example I've spent a fair bit of time in NYC and compared to some of the southern states...things are generally much safer. However if course people can still cross state lines, Like with sandy hook." I believe the Supreme Court recently relaxed gun restrictions in NYC. | |||
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"I think this country would be worse if guns were legal " I don't know about worse, but we have a big enough problem with knife crime. Replace them with guns and shootings would sky rocket | |||
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"I think this country would be worse if guns were legal I don't know about worse, but we have a big enough problem with knife crime. Replace them with guns and shootings would sky rocket " Yeah. Same thrust as my comment about pencils above. If all people who go on to kill people with guns only had knives, a lot more people would be alive. (Not as many as if they only had pencils!) | |||
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"Another tragic event that could be avoided if America wake up and do something about their gun culture. I saw something pop up a couple of weeks ago on the 27th anniversary of the Dunblaine shooting, after which, the government of the day radically reformed gun laws in the UK and since then there has been not one further incident. It's getting to the point now, with the USA, where it would be newsworthy if there was a day when there WASN'T a mass school shooting. Very sad
Yep.
I can't think of another country in the world where it happens on the same scale.
But hey. Guns...........
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Average (Mean) Annual Death Rate per Million People from Mass Public Shootings (U.S., Canada, and Europe, 2009-2015):
Norway — 1.888
Serbia — 0.381
France — 0.347
Macedonia — 0.337
Albania — 0.206
Slovakia — 0.185
Switzerland — 0.142
Finland — 0.132
Belgium — 0.128
Czech Republic — 0.123
United States — 0.089
Austria — 0.068
Netherlands — 0.051
Canada — 0.032
England — 0.027
Germany — 0.023
Russia — 0.012
Italy — 0.009"I'm guessing those stats gave been copied from the NRA or similar. Because in what way are heads of population relevant unless it is to attempt to distort and diminish the figures. | |||
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"I've become desensitised to it. It's tragic every time it happens but at this point it's just self inflicted because they could do something about it, they just choose not to "This. Not to lessen the loss of life but I saw it on the news and it didn't even register as a shock or oh my god what's happened. It happens far too often, and it'll carry on happening. | |||
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"I think this country would be worse if guns were legal I don't know about worse, but we have a big enough problem with knife crime. Replace them with guns and shootings would sky rocket Yeah. Same thrust as my comment about pencils above. If all people who go on to kill people with guns only had knives, a lot more people would be alive. (Not as many as if they only had pencils!)" Exactly that. | |||
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"Unfortunately the trans Community will cop the flack in America for this" Not just in America, there are sections of the British media already using this to push their anti-trans agenda. | |||
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"Gun control does differ by state...for example I've spent a fair bit of time in NYC and compared to some of the southern states...things are generally much safer. However if course people can still cross state lines, Like with sandy hook. I believe the Supreme Court recently relaxed gun restrictions in NYC." That could very well be correct...now it's packed with republicans... | |||
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"So apparently yesterday there was the 89th school shooting of 2023 in the USA. 89th. There's only been 87 days in 2023 so far FFS! And I didn't even know it had happened as it seems not to have popped up on any of my news feeds yesterday. Maybe it's reached the point where they're not even deemed newsworthy anymore, but WTAF?? More than one a day.
A"A lot of you would know that my school 6 weeks ago became part of this unfortunate statistic, Michigan State University… The only thing I can tell you is for as bad as this statistic is… when it’s your school going through it, you know people who have kids there, and when they are talking about specific places and buildings and you can visualise the campus… it’s a whole lot worse! 3 kids died… another 5 were shot Unfortunately the day they decided to do nothing after 20 5 year olds died at sandy hook elementary, that was the day all reasonable conversation about gun legislation went with it | |||
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"So apparently yesterday there was the 89th school shooting of 2023 in the USA. 89th. There's only been 87 days in 2023 so far FFS! And I didn't even know it had happened as it seems not to have popped up on any of my news feeds yesterday. Maybe it's reached the point where they're not even deemed newsworthy anymore, but WTAF?? More than one a day.
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A lot of you would know that my school 6 weeks ago became part of this unfortunate statistic, Michigan State University…
The only thing I can tell you is for as bad as this statistic is… when it’s your school going through it, you know people who have kids there, and when they are talking about specific places and buildings and you can visualise the campus… it’s a whole lot worse!
3 kids died… another 5 were shot
Unfortunately the day they decided to do nothing after 20 5 year olds died at sandy hook elementary, that was the day all reasonable conversation about gun legislation went with it " | |||
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When a man sticks a gun in yer face, you got two choices; you can die or you can KILL THE MOTHERFUCKER"When I was taught harm reduction/ self defence, I was taught that if someone puts a gun in your face, you give them what they want and get out with your motherfucking life. | |||
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"The tragic shooting is why I carry everyday. The answer to a gun problem...will never be more guns
When a man sticks a gun in yer face, you got two choices; you can die or you can KILL THE MOTHERFUCKER
When I was taught harm reduction/ self defence, I was taught that if someone puts a gun in your face, you give them what they want and get out with your motherfucking life."What even if someone is mass shooting everyone on sight ? What you gonna give then, your life ? | |||
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"The tragic shooting is why I carry everyday. The answer to a gun problem...will never be more guns
When a man sticks a gun in yer face, you got two choices; you can die or you can KILL THE MOTHERFUCKER
When I was taught harm reduction/ self defence, I was taught that if someone puts a gun in your face, you give them what they want and get out with your motherfucking life.
What even if someone is mass shooting everyone on sight ? What you gonna give then, your life ?"As I was raised in Australia, I was hardly taught to anticipate a mass shooting. It was... let's say "women's self defence". Value life over your wallet or... anything else. If someone is coming at me with an assault rifle and all they want to do is kill me, I run and hide. I don't get big dick bravado and think I can do anything to stop them. | |||
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"The tragic shooting is why I carry everyday. You carry a colt 45? " G 19 hubby carries a kimber 45. | |||
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"The tragic shooting is why I carry everyday. The answer to a gun problem...will never be more guns
When a man sticks a gun in yer face, you got two choices; you can die or you can KILL THE MOTHERFUCKER
When I was taught harm reduction/ self defence, I was taught that if someone puts a gun in your face, you give them what they want and get out with your motherfucking life.
What even if someone is mass shooting everyone on sight ? What you gonna give then, your life ?
As I was raised in Australia, I was hardly taught to anticipate a mass shooting. It was... let's say "women's self defence". Value life over your wallet or... anything else.
If someone is coming at me with an assault rifle and all they want to do is kill me, I run and hide. I don't get big dick bravado and think I can do anything to stop them."Okay Sheila but I thought this forum was about mass shootings. | |||
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"The tragic shooting is why I carry everyday. The answer to a gun problem...will never be more guns
When a man sticks a gun in yer face, you got two choices; you can die or you can KILL THE MOTHERFUCKER
When I was taught harm reduction/ self defence, I was taught that if someone puts a gun in your face, you give them what they want and get out with your motherfucking life.
What even if someone is mass shooting everyone on sight ? What you gonna give then, your life ?
As I was raised in Australia, I was hardly taught to anticipate a mass shooting. It was... let's say "women's self defence". Value life over your wallet or... anything else.
If someone is coming at me with an assault rifle and all they want to do is kill me, I run and hide. I don't get big dick bravado and think I can do anything to stop them.
Okay Sheila but I thought this forum was about mass shootings.
""When a man sticks a gun in your face". To quote you. If a mass shooter has got a gun in my face it's too late. They won't even get that close, I'd be dead by then. I hope I'd have some warning. And I'm profoundly grateful that I live in a country where that kind of bravado is almost certainly going to be unnecessary. | |||
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"The tragic shooting is why I carry everyday. You carry a colt 45? G 19 hubby carries a kimber 45." God damn! Only in America | |||
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"The tragic shooting is why I carry everyday. The answer to a gun problem...will never be more guns
When a man sticks a gun in yer face, you got two choices; you can die or you can KILL THE MOTHERFUCKER
When I was taught harm reduction/ self defence, I was taught that if someone puts a gun in your face, you give them what they want and get out with your motherfucking life.
What even if someone is mass shooting everyone on sight ? What you gonna give then, your life ?
As I was raised in Australia, I was hardly taught to anticipate a mass shooting. It was... let's say "women's self defence". Value life over your wallet or... anything else.
If someone is coming at me with an assault rifle and all they want to do is kill me, I run and hide. I don't get big dick bravado and think I can do anything to stop them.
Okay Sheila but I thought this forum was about mass shootings.
"When a man sticks a gun in your face". To quote you.
If a mass shooter has got a gun in my face it's too late. They won't even get that close, I'd be dead by then.
I hope I'd have some warning.
And I'm profoundly grateful that I live in a country where that kind of bravado is almost certainly going to be unnecessary."Throw another shrimp on the barbie and chill out | |||
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"The tragic shooting is why I carry everyday." Ahhh yes, because the logical answer to a gun problem is clearly more guns... | |||
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"The tragic shooting is why I carry everyday. The answer to a gun problem...will never be more guns
When a man sticks a gun in yer face, you got two choices; you can die or you can KILL THE MOTHERFUCKER
When I was taught harm reduction/ self defence, I was taught that if someone puts a gun in your face, you give them what they want and get out with your motherfucking life.
What even if someone is mass shooting everyone on sight ? What you gonna give then, your life ?
As I was raised in Australia, I was hardly taught to anticipate a mass shooting. It was... let's say "women's self defence". Value life over your wallet or... anything else.
If someone is coming at me with an assault rifle and all they want to do is kill me, I run and hide. I don't get big dick bravado and think I can do anything to stop them.
Okay Sheila but I thought this forum was about mass shootings.
"When a man sticks a gun in your face". To quote you.
If a mass shooter has got a gun in my face it's too late. They won't even get that close, I'd be dead by then.
I hope I'd have some warning.
And I'm profoundly grateful that I live in a country where that kind of bravado is almost certainly going to be unnecessary.
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"The tragic shooting is why I carry everyday. Ahhh yes, because the logical answer to a gun problem is clearly more guns..." That worked super duper well in Uvalde. | |||
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"Got a feeling the latest shooting incident is going to get buried by the media very soon. Because the shooter does not fit the media stereotype bogeyman of what a shooter should look like/where a shooter came from. It'll be forgotten by the national media quickly, but not because of that. It took just over a week for them to stop talking about the one that happened last month at the university that's in the next town over from me. That one got my nephew scared the most since his elementary school is not far from the university, it's to the point where he's asking his mom to have plans at home if someone comes into their home and shots them." Thats actually quite heartbreaking that he is thinking that way though but even in schools in the UK today they are protocols in place to what to do if such an tragic event should occur. Its a scary world indeed | |||
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"The tragic shooting is why I carry everyday. Ahhh yes, because the logical answer to a gun problem is clearly more guns... That worked super duper well in Uvalde." Rather have it and not need it then to need it and not have it. How do you suggest getting every single firearm off of all the citizens? | |||
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"The tragic shooting is why I carry everyday. The answer to a gun problem...will never be more guns
When a man sticks a gun in yer face, you got two choices; you can die or you can KILL THE MOTHERFUCKER
When I was taught harm reduction/ self defence, I was taught that if someone puts a gun in your face, you give them what they want and get out with your motherfucking life.
What even if someone is mass shooting everyone on sight ? What you gonna give then, your life ?
As I was raised in Australia, I was hardly taught to anticipate a mass shooting. It was... let's say "women's self defence". Value life over your wallet or... anything else.
If someone is coming at me with an assault rifle and all they want to do is kill me, I run and hide. I don't get big dick bravado and think I can do anything to stop them.
Okay Sheila but I thought this forum was about mass shootings.
"When a man sticks a gun in your face". To quote you.
If a mass shooter has got a gun in my face it's too late. They won't even get that close, I'd be dead by then.
I hope I'd have some warning.
And I'm profoundly grateful that I live in a country where that kind of bravado is almost certainly going to be unnecessary.
Throw another shrimp on the barbie and chill out
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" Okay Sheila but I thought this forum was about mass shootings. " A) so condescending you actually made me angry B) if you want to know what it’s like watching your school go through this for 4 hrs..on every channel, and going through the school message boards and WhatsApp groups trying to find out if kids you know are okay… as an adult I’ll absolutely have that conversation with you….. I can’t think of 4 hours in my life that have felt longer, and you feel so helpless… | |||
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" Okay Sheila but I thought this forum was about mass shootings. A) so condescending you actually made me angry B) if you want to know what it’s like watching your school go through this for 4 hrs..on every channel, and going through the school message boards and WhatsApp groups trying to find out if kids you know are okay… as an adult I’ll absolutely have that conversation with you….. I can’t think of 4 hours in my life that have felt longer, and you feel so helpless…" I am so sorry | |||
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" Okay Sheila but I thought this forum was about mass shootings. A) so condescending you actually made me angry B) if you want to know what it’s like watching your school go through this for 4 hrs..on every channel, and going through the school message boards and WhatsApp groups trying to find out if kids you know are okay… as an adult I’ll absolutely have that conversation with you….. I can’t think of 4 hours in my life that have felt longer, and you feel so helpless…" I apologise about that. I'm sorry I understand where you are coming from with that. I just about had enough of her, always coming across to me as if she wants an argument in the forums. | |||
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"The tragic shooting is why I carry everyday. Ahhh yes, because the logical answer to a gun problem is clearly more guns... Well I wish I had a gun if someone was going around shooting. Obviously the best solution is no guns at all, but that isn't happening " Our “shooter” first went into Berkey hall.. that is normal the building where they have business classes.. the only grace we had is that it was later in the evening so all the rooms on the bottom floor were empty… but there were still late classes going on on the first floor……. He killed 1 student in there and then left…. | |||
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" Okay Sheila but I thought this forum was about mass shootings. A) so condescending you actually made me angry B) if you want to know what it’s like watching your school go through this for 4 hrs..on every channel, and going through the school message boards and WhatsApp groups trying to find out if kids you know are okay… as an adult I’ll absolutely have that conversation with you….. I can’t think of 4 hours in my life that have felt longer, and you feel so helpless… I apologise about that. I'm sorry I understand where you are coming from with that. I just about had enough of her, always coming across to me as if she wants an argument in the forums." He then went one block up the street to Phillips hall…. Phillips hall is basically the name for the student union building.. and that was rammed He took a few steps through the door and basically started spraying the place, 2 people killed there…. Another 5 shot seriously…. He then walked out of that building….. | |||
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" Okay Sheila but I thought this forum was about mass shootings. A) so condescending you actually made me angry B) if you want to know what it’s like watching your school go through this for 4 hrs..on every channel, and going through the school message boards and WhatsApp groups trying to find out if kids you know are okay… as an adult I’ll absolutely have that conversation with you….. I can’t think of 4 hours in my life that have felt longer, and you feel so helpless… I apologise about that. I'm sorry I understand where you are coming from with that. I just about had enough of her, always coming across to me as if she wants an argument in the forums. He then went one block up the street to Phillips hall…. Phillips hall is basically the name for the student union building.. and that was rammed He took a few steps through the door and basically started spraying the place, 2 people killed there…. Another 5 shot seriously…. He then walked out of that building….." I haven't seen this yet. This forum was the first I heard about it. I will Google it. | |||
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"Now…. If anyone wants to make light of it… have at it… mock, laugh, be my guest!!! You are talking about real humans… you may be detached watching it on a tv… but when its people and places you know! It doesn’t get more real…. And with that… I am damn well done with this thread!" Look after yourself. | |||
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"Got a feeling the latest shooting incident is going to get buried by the media very soon. Because the shooter does not fit the media stereotype bogeyman of what a shooter should look like/where a shooter came from. It'll be forgotten by the national media quickly, but not because of that. It took just over a week for them to stop talking about the one that happened last month at the university that's in the next town over from me. That one got my nephew scared the most since his elementary school is not far from the university, it's to the point where he's asking his mom to have plans at home if someone comes into their home and shots them." Sorry I didn’t realise you were in lansing… as you are aware now I am MSU alum Most people won’t realise we are talking about the same event, I am glad there are two different perspectives on that same night now | |||
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"The tragic shooting is why I carry everyday. The answer to a gun problem...will never be more guns
When a man sticks a gun in yer face, you got two choices; you can die or you can KILL THE MOTHERFUCKER
When I was taught harm reduction/ self defence, I was taught that if someone puts a gun in your face, you give them what they want and get out with your motherfucking life."Not so effective when an active shooter just wants you to die.. | |||
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"The tragic shooting is why I carry everyday. The answer to a gun problem...will never be more guns
When a man sticks a gun in yer face, you got two choices; you can die or you can KILL THE MOTHERFUCKER
When I was taught harm reduction/ self defence, I was taught that if someone puts a gun in your face, you give them what they want and get out with your motherfucking life.
Not so effective when an active shooter just wants you to die.."Keep reading | |||
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"The tragic shooting is why I carry everyday. Ahhh yes, because the logical answer to a gun problem is clearly more guns... Well I wish I had a gun if someone was going around shooting. Obviously the best solution is no guns at all, but that isn't happening Maybe a good start would be proper gun controls with appropriate licensing, proper background checks, banning assault rifles along with a gun amnesty... " We have all that and yet we still get incidents. Not on the same scale I grant you, but it can never be perfect. It would be better if you were starting from scratch but the US is awash with lawfully owned guns. Any US president could use an executive order to at least make a start, but they won't. No moral courage and the enormity of the task. | |||
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"The tragic shooting is why I carry everyday. Ahhh yes, because the logical answer to a gun problem is clearly more guns... Well I wish I had a gun if someone was going around shooting. Obviously the best solution is no guns at all, but that isn't happening Maybe a good start would be proper gun controls with appropriate licensing, proper background checks, banning assault rifles along with a gun amnesty... We have all that and yet we still get incidents. Not on the same scale I grant you, but it can never be perfect. It would be better if you were starting from scratch but the US is awash with lawfully owned guns. Any US president could use an executive order to at least make a start, but they won't. No moral courage and the enormity of the task." It would take moral courage beyond any so-called "leader" I see anywhere, but the only way to solve any problem is step at a time. | |||
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"The tragic shooting is why I carry everyday. Ahhh yes, because the logical answer to a gun problem is clearly more guns... That worked super duper well in Uvalde. Rather have it and not need it then to need it and not have it. How do you suggest getting every single firearm off of all the citizens?" Have you ever needed it? | |||
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"The tragic shooting is why I carry everyday. Ahhh yes, because the logical answer to a gun problem is clearly more guns... That worked super duper well in Uvalde. Rather have it and not need it then to need it and not have it. How do you suggest getting every single firearm off of all the citizens? Have you ever needed it? " Yes my neighbors X husband was beating the daylights out of her. The threat of me pointing it at him ended the situation until the cops came. Held him at gunpoint. I am 5'2 should I have waited until the cops showed up ? | |||
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"The tragic shooting is why I carry everyday. Ahhh yes, because the logical answer to a gun problem is clearly more guns... Well I wish I had a gun if someone was going around shooting. Obviously the best solution is no guns at all, but that isn't happening Maybe a good start would be proper gun controls with appropriate licensing, proper background checks, banning assault rifles along with a gun amnesty... We have all that and yet we still get incidents. Not on the same scale I grant you, but it can never be perfect. It would be better if you were starting from scratch but the US is awash with lawfully owned guns. Any US president could use an executive order to at least make a start, but they won't. No moral courage and the enormity of the task." That and gun purchases have been trending upwards since the start of the pandemic and political unrest. During the pandemic we went to our local gun shop right before lockdown it was crazy. I never seen so many people there. | |||
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"The tragic shooting is why I carry everyday. Ahhh yes, because the logical answer to a gun problem is clearly more guns... Well I wish I had a gun if someone was going around shooting. Obviously the best solution is no guns at all, but that isn't happening Maybe a good start would be proper gun controls with appropriate licensing, proper background checks, banning assault rifles along with a gun amnesty... We have all that and yet we still get incidents. Not on the same scale I grant you, but it can never be perfect. It would be better if you were starting from scratch but the US is awash with lawfully owned guns. Any US president could use an executive order to at least make a start, but they won't. No moral courage and the enormity of the task. That and gun purchases have been trending upwards since the start of the pandemic and political unrest. During the pandemic we went to our local gun shop right before lockdown it was crazy. I never seen so many people there. " I saw this on the news at the start of corona people in USA were lining the streets outside gun shops. | |||
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"So apparently yesterday there was the 89th school shooting of 2023 in the USA. 89th. There's only been 87 days in 2023 so far FFS! And I didn't even know it had happened as it seems not to have popped up on any of my news feeds yesterday. Maybe it's reached the point where they're not even deemed newsworthy anymore, but WTAF?? More than one a day.
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The only thing I can tell you is for as bad as this statistic is… when it’s your school going through it, you know people who have kids there, and when they are talking about specific places and buildings and you can visualise the campus… it’s a whole lot worse!
3 kids died… another 5 were shot
Unfortunately the day they decided to do nothing after 20 5 year olds died at sandy hook elementary, that was the day all reasonable conversation about gun legislation went with it "And there was a kid from Oxford High School too, even wearing an Oxford Strong sweatshirt that night from what I saw on the news. And the shooter walked passed my ex's place and was found a mile from my place. | |||
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"The tragic shooting is why I carry everyday. Ahhh yes, because the logical answer to a gun problem is clearly more guns... Well I wish I had a gun if someone was going around shooting. Obviously the best solution is no guns at all, but that isn't happening Maybe a good start would be proper gun controls with appropriate licensing, proper background checks, banning assault rifles along with a gun amnesty... We have all that and yet we still get incidents. Not on the same scale I grant you, but it can never be perfect. It would be better if you were starting from scratch but the US is awash with lawfully owned guns. Any US president could use an executive order to at least make a start, but they won't. No moral courage and the enormity of the task. That and gun purchases have been trending upwards since the start of the pandemic and political unrest. During the pandemic we went to our local gun shop right before lockdown it was crazy. I never seen so many people there. I saw this on the news at the start of corona people in USA were lining the streets outside gun shops. " I agree with better gun control. The pandemic kinda was a awakening. People purchasing weapons with no clue. Buying certain firearms that they shouldn't have. Because it's trendy. It drove me insane. Then people wonder why certain ones are used. It's usually glorified media stupidity. | |||
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"The right to bear arms and all the bullshit behind... When you listen to the pro gun gang over there, words just fail me. Then there's the extortionate health care. There's a lot wrong with this country but jeez America is in a big ol state. " I read somewhere that the NRA is losing money very quickly, backers are dropping them, members are leaving in big enough numbers to be noticed. The clip is an interesting watch, Obama on why they can't have gun control https://youtu.be/6imFvSua3Kg | |||
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"The worse shooting was perpetrated by handguns in the US. So why the AR ban again? Because it looks scary ? I see people commenting all the time about the evil AR . Yet... Nothing about the handguns why is that ? Well, the general public have little to no use for an assault weapon that's capable of firing off hundreds of rounds per minute and has an effective range of a few hundred meters A hand gun makes more sense as defensive weapon for the average citizen to carry. A hand gun has less range and power and can't be sprayed at a crowd of people, it's still deadly but the damage that can be done with one when compared to an assault rifle is much less. define a assault rifle then? Is a shotgun a assault rifle by definition? " I have a vr80 for 3 gun is that a assault rifle ? It does a hell of a lot more damage compared to others. It looks like a AR but shotguns are acceptable. Weird . | |||
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"The worse shooting was perpetrated by handguns in the US. So why the AR ban again? Because it looks scary ? I see people commenting all the time about the evil AR . Yet... Nothing about the handguns why is that ? Well, the general public have little to no use for an assault weapon that's capable of firing off hundreds of rounds per minute and has an effective range of a few hundred meters A hand gun makes more sense as defensive weapon for the average citizen to carry. A hand gun has less range and power and can't be sprayed at a crowd of people, it's still deadly but the damage that can be done with one when compared to an assault rifle is much less. define a assault rifle then? Is a shotgun a assault rifle by definition? " No a shotgun fires a cartridge that disperses the shot. A rifle fires a bullet. They are both long firearms, but they are different. | |||
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"I personally believe the right to bear arms, should be limited to more defensive weapons like a pistol. But lets be clear, it was the mans mental illness that was the cause, not the gun. Perhaps there's just more mental illness in the USA, because all they talk about is therapy and mental health. ? " But mental illness - firearm = less dead people Guns don't kill people but guns really help people kill people | |||
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"I personally believe the right to bear arms, should be limited to more defensive weapons like a pistol. But lets be clear, it was the mans mental illness that was the cause, not the gun. Perhaps there's just more mental illness in the USA, because all they talk about is therapy and mental health. ? But mental illness - firearm = less dead people Guns don't kill people but guns really help people kill people" it is mental. I agree people as shouldn't have access to firearms if they are shown to have mental problems. I am a " law abiding" citizen. I would love better background checks delve deeper. I believe in red flag laws. We can't abolish all firearms because it would be a huge shit show. I give up mine lawfully do you think any criminal would reciprocate? | |||
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"I personally believe the right to bear arms, should be limited to more defensive weapons like a pistol. But lets be clear, it was the mans mental illness that was the cause, not the gun. Perhaps there's just more mental illness in the USA, because all they talk about is therapy and mental health. ? But mental illness - firearm = less dead people Guns don't kill people but guns really help people kill people it is mental. I agree people as shouldn't have access to firearms if they are shown to have mental problems. I am a " law abiding" citizen. I would love better background checks delve deeper. I believe in red flag laws. We can't abolish all firearms because it would be a huge shit show. I give up mine lawfully do you think any criminal would reciprocate? "It's just something the UK population can't begin to fathom. If private ownership of firearms is so essential for defence, why are they so ineffective at stopping these atrocoties? | |||
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"I personally believe the right to bear arms, should be limited to more defensive weapons like a pistol. But lets be clear, it was the mans mental illness that was the cause, not the gun. Perhaps there's just more mental illness in the USA, because all they talk about is therapy and mental health. ? But mental illness - firearm = less dead people Guns don't kill people but guns really help people kill people it is mental. I agree people as shouldn't have access to firearms if they are shown to have mental problems. I am a " law abiding" citizen. I would love better background checks delve deeper. I believe in red flag laws. We can't abolish all firearms because it would be a huge shit show. I give up mine lawfully do you think any criminal would reciprocate? "Of course they wouldn't, but then again how many school shooters are criminals before they go and kill a bunch of teachers and children? Removing the ability for normal (non criminals) to acquire guns would cut down on some gun crime. I guess the biggest problem though is that guns are so ubiquitous across the states and surrounding countries that trying to abolish them now is a fairly hopeless endeavour. But some sort of drastic change to the laws and distribution of fire arms must be put in place. It will keep happening time and time again until a change is made | |||
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"I am sure Pumpkin is the same as me in that this is not a dig or a condemnation of you, Blu. It's a desire to understand " Completely agree | |||
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"I am sure Pumpkin is the same as me in that this is not a dig or a condemnation of you, Blu. It's a desire to understand Completely agree " | |||
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"I am sure Pumpkin is the same as me in that this is not a dig or a condemnation of you, Blu. It's a desire to understand Completely agree
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"And our son was disciplined at school because he asked what would happen if there was a school shooting at his school. Now yes, I know we aren't America, but we thought it was a valid question." I used to work in a primary school and they used to practice lockdown so if a shooter did get in (past all the coded doors) the school had a strategy | |||
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"So what is the solution? We are a gun society. Do we stop sending billions overseas to other nations or do we use those billions to strengthen school security. " Maybe neither? I have yet to hear a rational explanation as to why the 'rights to bear arms' needs to include military grade weapons, why it needs to be a right any more, and why the literally hundreds of mass shootings hasn't made the USA stop and think "Hey, maybe guns MIGHT be the problem. If I decide go go on a killing spree armed with a vegetable peeler not many people will end up dead. Replace the vegetable peeler with an AR15 and a few spare magazines and I bet a few more will perish | |||
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"So what is the solution? We are a gun society. Do we stop sending billions overseas to other nations or do we use those billions to strengthen school security. Maybe neither? I have yet to hear a rational explanation as to why the 'rights to bear arms' needs to include military grade weapons, why it needs to be a right any more, and why the literally hundreds of mass shootings hasn't made the USA stop and think "Hey, maybe guns MIGHT be the problem. If I decide go go on a killing spree armed with a vegetable peeler not many people will end up dead. Replace the vegetable peeler with an AR15 and a few spare magazines and I bet a few more will perish " I just don't understand | |||
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"So what is the solution? We are a gun society. Do we stop sending billions overseas to other nations or do we use those billions to strengthen school security. You can strengthen school security. And tighten gun laws." I can't see why talk about sending billions over seas to other nations. | |||
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"So what is the solution? We are a gun society. Do we stop sending billions overseas to other nations or do we use those billions to strengthen school security. Maybe neither? I have yet to hear a rational explanation as to why the 'rights to bear arms' needs to include military grade weapons, why it needs to be a right any more, and why the literally hundreds of mass shootings hasn't made the USA stop and think "Hey, maybe guns MIGHT be the problem. If I decide go go on a killing spree armed with a vegetable peeler not many people will end up dead. Replace the vegetable peeler with an AR15 and a few spare magazines and I bet a few more will perish I just don't understand " Why did you mention AR? I can do the same with pistols or a Ruger mini 14. Media attention? | |||
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"So what is the solution? We are a gun society. Do we stop sending billions overseas to other nations or do we use those billions to strengthen school security. Maybe neither? I have yet to hear a rational explanation as to why the 'rights to bear arms' needs to include military grade weapons, why it needs to be a right any more, and why the literally hundreds of mass shootings hasn't made the USA stop and think "Hey, maybe guns MIGHT be the problem. If I decide go go on a killing spree armed with a vegetable peeler not many people will end up dead. Replace the vegetable peeler with an AR15 and a few spare magazines and I bet a few more will perish I just don't understand Why did you mention AR? I can do the same with pistols or a Ruger mini 14. Media attention? " Jennie could have mentioned any gun and her point would still be valid. ARs are a focal point as there is simply no reason for members of the public to own them. | |||
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"So what is the solution? We are a gun society. Do we stop sending billions overseas to other nations or do we use those billions to strengthen school security. Maybe neither? I have yet to hear a rational explanation as to why the 'rights to bear arms' needs to include military grade weapons, why it needs to be a right any more, and why the literally hundreds of mass shootings hasn't made the USA stop and think "Hey, maybe guns MIGHT be the problem. If I decide go go on a killing spree armed with a vegetable peeler not many people will end up dead. Replace the vegetable peeler with an AR15 and a few spare magazines and I bet a few more will perish I just don't understand Why did you mention AR? I can do the same with pistols or a Ruger mini 14. Media attention? " I can't see how you could. That's like me saying I can do the same with my 2.2 pellet gun as I can do with my 12bore shot gun. It's chalk and cheese. | |||
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"A man in Russia stormed a school in September killing 17 children injuring another 22. Gun crime murders in Russia is worse than the states, partly because it's a bigger country but we are more focused on the west. I don't know what the answer is. Is mental health programs underfunded and those that do need help break before we notice. We have had some of the worst child killers in this country. Children and young adults die from knife crime here, everyday it seems London is in the news about a fatal stabbing. Police cannot be everywhere and wasn't it only recently a lot of mayors in the states defunded the police? Can we trust our police after recent events like the met here in London to keep us safe? It's worrying and I hope we do not become a gun society because them stabbings will be replaced by bullets and then we will be the world focus. Look after each other " I can't see what being a big country has to do with it. USA has way more than double the population of Russia. The UK is not going to become a gun society. | |||
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"A man in Russia stormed a school in September killing 17 children injuring another 22. Gun crime murders in Russia is worse than the states, partly because it's a bigger country but we are more focused on the west. I don't know what the answer is. Is mental health programs underfunded and those that do need help break before we notice. We have had some of the worst child killers in this country. Children and young adults die from knife crime here, everyday it seems London is in the news about a fatal stabbing. Police cannot be everywhere and wasn't it only recently a lot of mayors in the states defunded the police? Can we trust our police after recent events like the met here in London to keep us safe? It's worrying and I hope we do not become a gun society because them stabbings will be replaced by bullets and then we will be the world focus. Look after each other I can't see what being a big country has to do with it. USA has way more than double the population of Russia. The UK is not going to become a gun society. " the difference is guns have been around since our inception in 1776. It's a normality. The pandemic proved that. People just want to have individual protection from threats. | |||
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"A man in Russia stormed a school in September killing 17 children injuring another 22. Gun crime murders in Russia is worse than the states, partly because it's a bigger country but we are more focused on the west. I don't know what the answer is. Is mental health programs underfunded and those that do need help break before we notice. We have had some of the worst child killers in this country. Children and young adults die from knife crime here, everyday it seems London is in the news about a fatal stabbing. Police cannot be everywhere and wasn't it only recently a lot of mayors in the states defunded the police? Can we trust our police after recent events like the met here in London to keep us safe? It's worrying and I hope we do not become a gun society because them stabbings will be replaced by bullets and then we will be the world focus. Look after each other I can't see what being a big country has to do with it. USA has way more than double the population of Russia. The UK is not going to become a gun society. the difference is guns have been around since our inception in 1776. It's a normality. The pandemic proved that. People just want to have individual protection from threats." you do realise that the rest of the world have threats aswell but the difference is we have gun laws that prevents the nutters getting guns to carry out those threats. 133 mass shootings in America in 2023. 102 mass shootings in Europe since 2000. We have gun laws. | |||
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"So apparently yesterday there was the 89th school shooting of 2023 in the USA. 89th. There's only been 87 days in 2023 so far FFS! And I didn't even know it had happened as it seems not to have popped up on any of my news feeds yesterday. Maybe it's reached the point where they're not even deemed newsworthy anymore, but WTAF?? More than one a day.
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" I just about had enough of her, always coming across to me as if she wants an argument in the forums." If you had the facts and rhetorical ability to win the argument with her you would have done so. You didn't, and you lashed out, piggybacking on a thread about murdered children so that you could bring out your tired insults about Australians. Perhaps that makes you proud, or happy. I don't pretend to understand the psychology of creatures like you. | |||
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"I dare say they will all be clamouring for Trump to come back and sort out the mess." If he doesn't get presidency next year we're fucked .. there will be a dramatic change if he gets it it will stop all the plans in place .. if he doesn't .. get ready | |||
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"Why schools though I don't get it if you had. Problem with government or anything why would you shoot up a school " The kid must of had some severe issues | |||
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"I think this country would be worse if guns were legal " They are. We just have strict laws on how they're obtained, kept and the types allowed. | |||
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"Why schools though I don't get it if you had. Problem with government or anything why would you shoot up a school " Was a pupil at the school in the past, no idea why he came back, but he was a pupil there. | |||
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"A man in Russia stormed a school in September killing 17 children injuring another 22. Gun crime murders in Russia is worse than the states, partly because it's a bigger country but we are more focused on the west. I don't know what the answer is. Is mental health programs underfunded and those that do need help break before we notice. We have had some of the worst child killers in this country. Children and young adults die from knife crime here, everyday it seems London is in the news about a fatal stabbing. Police cannot be everywhere and wasn't it only recently a lot of mayors in the states defunded the police? Can we trust our police after recent events like the met here in London to keep us safe? It's worrying and I hope we do not become a gun society because them stabbings will be replaced by bullets and then we will be the world focus. Look after each other I can't see what being a big country has to do with it. USA has way more than double the population of Russia. The UK is not going to become a gun society. the difference is guns have been around since our inception in 1776. It's a normality. The pandemic proved that. People just want to have individual protection from threats." I was wondering about the right to bare arms, did that come to be as a means to hold government to account? if they started to take the mick. | |||
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"You can look it up if you don't believe. Handguns are the issue. Yet nothing said. " All guns are the issue for us but its far too late now to stop gun crime in the USA their are so many guns available and circulating, what good would restricting the use of one or the other be....... Absolutely no use at all. A gun in the use of a sane person is bad enough because still somebody could potentially be killed but a gun in the hands of somebody mentally unstable is catastrophic.  | |||
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"You can look it up if you don't believe. Handguns are the issue. Yet nothing said. " I would think that whilst handguns are used in most shootings, they are probably largely criminal on criminal, or used by criminals in robbery/assault type offences. Criminals favour handguns as they are easily concealable. These active shooters don't care about concealment once they start shooting. Criminals will always be able to access guns. Most of these active shooters obtained their guns lawfully, despite their mental state. I believe long guns are easier to lawfully acquire in most states? | |||
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"Now…. If anyone wants to make light of it… have at it… mock, laugh, be my guest!!! You are talking about real humans… you may be detached watching it on a tv… but when its people and places you know! It doesn’t get more real…. And with that… I am damn well done with this thread!" Hugs | |||
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"I dare say they will all be clamouring for Trump to come back and sort out the mess. If he doesn't get presidency next year we're fucked .. there will be a dramatic change if he gets it it will stop all the plans in place .. if he doesn't .. get ready " I mean based on his last presidency, whst do you think he will achieve? | |||
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"I think this country would be worse if guns were legal They are. We just have strict laws on how they're obtained, kept and the types allowed." Just under 700,000 people in the UK would agree with you... | |||
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" I was wondering about the right to bare arms, did that come to be as a means to hold government to account? if they started to take the mick." Have you been on the Dubai thread? | |||
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" The UK is not going to become a gun society. the difference is guns have been around since our inception in 1776. It's a normality. The pandemic proved that. People just want to have individual protection from threats." What better way of protecting yourself than killing someone? Got to be simpler than all the alternatives! | |||
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"I think this country would be worse if guns were legal They are. We just have strict laws on how they're obtained, kept and the types allowed." How many legally owned and registered guns are used to commit crimes.? | |||
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"A man in Russia stormed a school in September killing 17 children injuring another 22. Gun crime murders in Russia is worse than the states, partly because it's a bigger country but we are more focused on the west. I don't know what the answer is. Is mental health programs underfunded and those that do need help break before we notice. We have had some of the worst child killers in this country. Children and young adults die from knife crime here, everyday it seems London is in the news about a fatal stabbing. Police cannot be everywhere and wasn't it only recently a lot of mayors in the states defunded the police? Can we trust our police after recent events like the met here in London to keep us safe? It's worrying and I hope we do not become a gun society because them stabbings will be replaced by bullets and then we will be the world focus. Look after each other I can't see what being a big country has to do with it. USA has way more than double the population of Russia. The UK is not going to become a gun society. the difference is guns have been around since our inception in 1776. It's a normality. The pandemic proved that. People just want to have individual protection from threats." Guns were around in the UK until private ownership of some types was largely made illegal and the rest heavily restricted and licenced. That argument doesn't really hold water I'm afraid. A | |||
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"I think this country would be worse if guns were legal They are. We just have strict laws on how they're obtained, kept and the types allowed. How many legally owned and registered guns are used to commit crimes.? " Virtually all the shootings are by people with legally held guns. | |||
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"I think this country would be worse if guns were legal They are. We just have strict laws on how they're obtained, kept and the types allowed. How many legally owned and registered guns are used to commit crimes.? Virtually all the shootings are by people with legally held guns." Why have an illegal gun in the US when it's so easy to buy one legally,you don't know the illegal guns history | |||
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"I think this country would be worse if guns were legal They are. We just have strict laws on how they're obtained, kept and the types allowed. How many legally owned and registered guns are used to commit crimes.? Virtually all the shootings are by people with legally held guns. Why have an illegal gun in the US when it's so easy to buy one legally,you don't know the illegal guns history " Sorry, I was referring to UK shootings. | |||
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"I think this country would be worse if guns were legal They are. We just have strict laws on how they're obtained, kept and the types allowed. How many legally owned and registered guns are used to commit crimes.? " There are @1.8 million legally owned guns in the UK. Over the last 10 years, less than thirty of them have been used in crime by their owners. Mostly shotguns, a few rifles. We average @20 firearms deaths per year, mostly gang related and rarely involving the use of lawfully held guns. | |||
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So cultures can change.
I think the safety of small children to go to school and not be slaughtered is more sacred than owning weapons of war. I think a culture that disagrees with that is fundamentally unwell. | |||
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