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"I am going to come out and suggest there may not be a MOTD tomorrow night.. or the likes of Klopp or guardiola may not speak to the bbc post game " I always fast forward past the pundits.... not sure managers will boycott the post match comments as it is a contractual obligation that clubs have with the PL and not the BBC..... | |||
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"I am going to come out and suggest there may not be a MOTD tomorrow night.. or the likes of Klopp or guardiola may not speak to the bbc post game I always fast forward past the pundits.... not sure managers will boycott the post match comments as it is a contractual obligation that clubs have with the PL and not the BBC....." Suppose they can just give yes, no or very closed off answers to get around it | |||
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"I wondered if they want G L out so that they could pay a youngster on a lot less dosh???? "Nah, they're just under the government's thumb. Complete cowardice. | |||
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"I am going to come out and suggest there may not be a MOTD tomorrow night.. or the likes of Klopp or guardiola may not speak to the bbc post game I always fast forward past the pundits.... not sure managers will boycott the post match comments as it is a contractual obligation that clubs have with the PL and not the BBC..... Suppose they can just give yes, no or very closed off answers to get around it" Can you really see Guardiola or Klopp giving one word answers? As overseas nationals, would they want to get embroiled in a British political debate? | |||
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"Good on Wrighty for supporting Lineker. This government and BBC cowering to them on this is fucking ridiculous."  | |||
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"What’s happened?? Gary Lineker been replaced as match of the day host by suella Braverman "With Farage and Rees Mogg as the two pundits.. | |||
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"What’s happened?? Gary Lineker been replaced as match of the day host by suella Braverman
With Farage and Rees Mogg as the two pundits.."Boris apparently up for doing the VAR analysis  | |||
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"I admire people who support their friends publicly even if it might be to their detriment" Totally agree | |||
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"its like the ricky gervaisis speach at the oscars, ie just do your job n fook off , your not on tv too lecture or give your opinions to the general public, i hope alex scott gets it as well as being so pretty she talks a good game "He doesn't lecture when his on TV though does he? | |||
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"This is a bad move.. because not only do you look at linekers tweets you then have to compare them to example sir Alan sugar.. so what next, do you take the apprentice off the air as well? The director general, who has his own allegations of being part involved with getting Boris Johnson a loan when he was PM, will be gone within the week! " For some reason the rules dint apply to Sugar? Maybe he tweets the right sort of politics? | |||
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"its like the ricky gervaisis speach at the oscars, ie just do your job n fook off , your not on tv too lecture or give your opinions to the general public, i hope alex scott gets it as well as being so pretty she talks a good game
He doesn't lecture when his on TV though does he?"Exactly! Would he have been suspended if he'd tweeted his wholehearted support of government policy? | |||
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"What’s happened?? Gary Lineker been replaced as match of the day host by suella Braverman "It was only a matter of time before they brought in a woman, i just don't care anymore domestic football is crap run by foreigners for foreigners and with foreign players its not a British game anymore, support your local team what a farce its all become. When Gary commentated you got an honest assimilation of the football played he'll go onto something better probably hopefully | |||
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"What’s happened?? Gary Lineker been replaced as match of the day host by suella Braverman It was only a matter of time before they brought in a woman, i just don't care anymore domestic football is crap run by foreigners for foreigners and with foreign players its not a British game anymore, support your local team what a farce its all become. When Gary commentated you got an honest assimilation of the football played he'll go onto something better probably hopefully "Oh and well done Wrighty for backing him up good man  | |||
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"This is a bad move.. because not only do you look at linekers tweets you then have to compare them to example sir Alan sugar.. so what next, do you take the apprentice off the air as well? The director general, who has his own allegations of being part involved with getting Boris Johnson a loan when he was PM, will be gone within the week! " Richard Sharp is the guy, he's a Tory donor and arranged the £800k loan to Boris.. Not exactly impartial at all.. | |||
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"What’s happened?? Gary Lineker been replaced as match of the day host by suella Braverman
With Farage and Rees Mogg as the two pundits.."But just think about how much they'll criticise those poor left wingers. They don't stand a chance. | |||
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"I hope the rest of the pundits refuse to go on air but leave it until the very last minute to tell them so that the programme isn't recorded. If I'm right I'd say this was cancel culture by order of the government. " To be blatantly honest, watching football on telly would lose not a single iota of entertainment value without the pundits section. I just want to watch 22 men kick a ball round a field for 90 minutes and try to score goals against each other. The commentators are plenty enough add-on value for a match. Pundits are not needed. The only opinions that matters in a football match is that of the coaches and players. The rest of us are just bystanders. | |||
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" Good on shearer and Ian wright also think there be a few more who turn there back on BBC and so they should and I hope there all fuck the Torrie run bbc off never trust a torrie" Now Alex Scott has said she will not replace lineker on MOTD…. That program is not going to happen at this rate | |||
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" Good on shearer and Ian wright also think there be a few more who turn there back on BBC and so they should and I hope there all fuck the Torrie run bbc off never trust a torrie Now Alex Scott has said she will not replace lineker on MOTD…. That program is not going to happen at this rate" Whoever ends up doing it will be tarred as a scab. | |||
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" Good on shearer and Ian wright also think there be a few more who turn there back on BBC and so they should and I hope there all fuck the Torrie run bbc off never trust a torrie Now Alex Scott has said she will not replace lineker on MOTD…. That program is not going to happen at this rate" You know it might just be more enjoyable without the punditry. Nothing personal against Wrighty or Lineker. | |||
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"I am going to come out and suggest there may not be a MOTD tomorrow night.. or the likes of Klopp or guardiola may not speak to the bbc post game I always fast forward past the pundits.... not sure managers will boycott the post match comments as it is a contractual obligation that clubs have with the PL and not the BBC....." Could do a Marshawn Lynch interview and say “I’m only here so I don’t get fined” | |||
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"This proves that we are losing our freedom of speech in our 'democratic' country Well done Linekar and great that his colleagues are standing with him " Freedom of speech has always been a mirage in the real world. If freedom of speech truly existed there would be no need for social media and anonymous online accounts. The only true guarantor of freedom of speech is money. As in, whether you have enough money to not give a toss about offending anybody and hence impacting on your salary, career, and livelihood. | |||
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"I don’t think I’ve ever seen a more uniform response. I honestly despair of our government. I wouldn’t usually stoop this low but they really are a whole squadron of shit-bags. Not a fucking good one amongst them anymore." I wouldn't put them as high up as that. I think they are lower than a shitehoose on a submarine. They make thatcher look like a nun. | |||
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"What’s happened?? Gary Lineker been replaced as match of the day host by suella Braverman
With Farage and Rees Mogg as the two pundits..
But just think about how much they'll criticise those poor left wingers. They don't stand a chance."Nice one.. | |||
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"This proves that we are losing our freedom of speech in our 'democratic' country Well done Linekar and great that his colleagues are standing with him Freedom of speech has always been a mirage in the real world. If freedom of speech truly existed there would be no need for social media and anonymous online accounts. The only true guarantor of freedom of speech is money. As in, whether you have enough money to not give a toss about offending anybody and hence impacting on your salary, career, and livelihood. " Very very true | |||
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" Good on shearer and Ian wright also think there be a few more who turn there back on BBC and so they should and I hope there all fuck the Torrie run bbc off never trust a torrie Now Alex Scott has said she will not replace lineker on MOTD…. That program is not going to happen at this rate" Yes, no surprises there! | |||
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"Good on Wrighty for supporting Lineker. This government and BBC cowering to them on this is fucking ridiculous." the head of BBC is consevertive appointee Boris mate . its stood to reason what would happen . BBC independent my arse . ian wright is shooting himself in the foot . he end up been sacked before. Gary | |||
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"Cancelled attenborough show on climate change as well bbc run by torie" This is really scary, given its literally to appease the government | |||
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"Bring back Des Lyman "Do you mean Des Lynam? | |||
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"Bring back Des Lyman
Do you mean Des Lynam?"Des Hyman? | |||
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"Bring back Des Lyman
Do you mean Des Lynam?
Des Hyman?"If we can't get Des, I'm sure David Icke will do it. | |||
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"Bring back Des Lyman
Do you mean Des Lynam?"Is that his name? Des somebody, used to do sport on the BBC years ago | |||
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"Bring back Des Lyman
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Is that his name? Des somebody, used to do sport on the BBC years ago"That's him. Des Lynam, though I thought he did ITV footy coverage. | |||
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"Bring back Des Lyman
Do you mean Des Lynam?
Is that his name? Des somebody, used to do sport on the BBC years ago
That's him. Des Lynam, though I thought he did ITV footy coverage. "Wasn't that Brian Moore? | |||
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"Bring back Des Lyman
Do you mean Des Lynam?
Is that his name? Des somebody, used to do sport on the BBC years ago
That's him. Des Lynam, though I thought he did ITV footy coverage.
Wasn't that Brian Moore? "Not sure, I've been an MOTD aficionado since I was a child. Though I might have to rethink that | |||
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"Bring back Des Lyman
Do you mean Des Lynam?
Is that his name? Des somebody, used to do sport on the BBC years ago
That's him. Des Lynam, though I thought he did ITV footy coverage.
Wasn't that Brian Moore? "I think Dishy Des started on the BBC. Brian Moore was a rugby player and commentator, a very good commentator inmay add, who is very forthright and I'm sure he would have said something similar. Maybe we need Kate Adie to cover this story as there could be blood and guts everywhere before it's all finished. | |||
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"Bring back Des Lyman
Do you mean Des Lynam?
Is that his name? Des somebody, used to do sport on the BBC years ago
That's him. Des Lynam, though I thought he did ITV footy coverage. "I just Google him and he did motd in the early nineties. | |||
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"Team Lineker here and well done Ian Wright! Quite extraordinary how a football commentator's personal views are deflecting the current governments unworkable plans to stop illegal migrants and the fact we've just handed over half a billion pounds to France in the vague hope it will help. It's almost is if the Tory appointed BBC chiefs are helping their mates out. That can't be true though can it, I was always led to believe the BBC was run by 'woke lefties' " Do you remember when Fonzie jumped the shark? | |||
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"Seriously though… the bbc have basically now made this a “pick a side” issue… and have blundered this one spectacularly (I was so tempted to use the phrase own goal!) also… if you are a presenter or a pundit and you go on tomorrow you are basically going to be considered as a scab… I do wonder if you are just going to have a voiceover person doing links between games, also.. can’t imagine the commentators are going to be real comfortable either! " You beaten me to it Fabio. Was just about to comment the the very same points you have just succinctly made. Mind you I was distracted by laughing at Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon who called the move "Indefensible - It is undermining free speech in the face of political pressure" - Oh the hypocrisy... she has done more to erode Free Speech in the last few years than any other politician for centuries! | |||
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"Richard Keys hastily booking a flight back from Doha, picking up Paulo Di Canio on route " 
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"It's basically a load of good old hypocritical bullshit driven by this namby pamby woke generation who get upset by anyone that says anything at all. People are allowed to voice opinions. Any journalist on the BBC who challenges a politician is effectively saying that they disagree with their policies or opinion so should they all be sacked as well? If we just whitewash over everything and all have to think the same is that healthy? " Where does "woke" come in to it? | |||
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"Richard Keys hastily booking a flight back from Doha, picking up Paulo Di Canio on route " Matt Le Tissier's waiting by the phone too... | |||
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"Richard Keys hastily booking a flight back from Doha, picking up Paulo Di Canio on route Matt Le Tissier's waiting by the phone too..." He's at a neighbour's birthday tomorrow evening..... | |||
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"No presenter or pundits on MOTD tomorrow, be different.. "In which case I wonder how comfortable both the producers of the programme are the commentators will be… the PFA have said they will back any player who is fined if they don’t want to do the interviews in support of Lineker | |||
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"No presenter or pundits on MOTD tomorrow, be different..
In which case I wonder how comfortable both the producers of the programme are the commentators will be… the PFA have said they will back any player who is fined if they don’t want to do the interviews in support of Lineker "Update… it looks like the commentators may join the Lineker camp and apparently may not do it tomorrow So… no studio, no pundits, no commentary…. Should make for an interesting experiment | |||
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"No presenter or pundits on MOTD tomorrow, be different..
In which case I wonder how comfortable both the producers of the programme are the commentators will be… the PFA have said they will back any player who is fined if they don’t want to do the interviews in support of Lineker
Update… it looks like the commentators may join the Lineker camp and apparently may not do it tomorrow
So… no studio, no pundits, no commentary…. Should make for an interesting experiment "It's amazing to watch how this has escalated, I think the tories, even at this point are still deluded enough to think Lineker was a lone voice and this shows he really isn't. | |||
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"No presenter or pundits on MOTD tomorrow, be different..
In which case I wonder how comfortable both the producers of the programme are the commentators will be… the PFA have said they will back any player who is fined if they don’t want to do the interviews in support of Lineker
Update… it looks like the commentators may join the Lineker camp and apparently may not do it tomorrow
So… no studio, no pundits, no commentary…. Should make for an interesting experiment
It's amazing to watch how this has escalated, I think the tories, even at this point are still deluded enough to think Lineker was a lone voice and this shows he really isn't."I think this is one of those where the loudest thought they were speaking for the majority…. And for the conservatives it’s a case of be careful of what you wish for… The bbc did their bidding… and now we see the backlash I absolutely get why if you work in news and current affairs you need to remain impartial (although I do doubt the credibility of some) but for everyone else…. If you are not saying it on the BBC.. and you don’t claim to be talking in your role as someone at the BBC.. then let them air their opinions like every other person I may not like an opinion.. but saying they can’t have one because they apparently may be famous is a dangerous line | |||
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"This is a bad move.. because not only do you look at linekers tweets you then have to compare them to example sir Alan sugar.. so what next, do you take the apprentice off the air as well? The director general, who has his own allegations of being part involved with getting Boris Johnson a loan when he was PM, will be gone within the week! " Well said! | |||
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"What’s happened?? Gary Lineker been replaced as match of the day host by suella Braverman
With Farage and Rees Mogg as the two pundits..
Boris apparently up for doing the VAR analysis "He's had a look, apparently no rules were broken. | |||
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"What’s happened?? Gary Lineker been replaced as match of the day host by suella Braverman
With Farage and Rees Mogg as the two pundits..
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"its like the ricky gervaisis speach at the oscars, ie just do your job n fook off , your not on tv too lecture or give your opinions to the general public, i hope alex scott gets it as well as being so pretty she talks a good game "Gary Linekar wasn't doing his job when he spoke. He was using twitter. | |||
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"Good on Wrighty for supporting Lineker. This government and BBC cowering to them on this is fucking ridiculous." You are joking right? Ian Wright commented “ people know how much MOTD means to him but he would of declined an invite for Saturday evenings program “ This is the same Ian Wright who turned down his beloved MOTD to work for ITV for the last World Cup ! | |||
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"It's a shame that the presenters hadn't developed their collective social conscience when supporting the Quatari World Cup....." Exactly, they all could of stayed at home | |||
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"Fantastic news - if it looks like they're going to show actual highlights without the rubbish punditry I might actually watch it for the first time in years! "Completely agree, sounds perfect | |||
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"Bring back Des Lyman
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"Good on Wrighty for supporting Lineker. This government and BBC cowering to them on this is fucking ridiculous. You are joking right? Ian Wright commented “ people know how much MOTD means to him but he would of declined an invite for Saturday evenings program “ This is the same Ian Wright who turned down his beloved MOTD to work for ITV for the last World Cup ! " MOTD wasn't shown during the world cup.. | |||
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"It's a shame that the presenters hadn't developed their collective social conscience when supporting the Quatari World Cup....." Talk Sport's Simon jordan and Jim White have an awful lot to say on Arab ownership of football clubs and human rights but still went to the world cup Whilst there, they interviewed the PSG President Nasser Al Khelaifi and afterwards White and Jordan were asked themselves why they didnt take Al Khelafi to task on human rights as on their radio show they are so outspoken on the subject! They said they would have but ran out of time | |||
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"its like the ricky gervaisis speach at the oscars, ie just do your job n fook off , your not on tv too lecture or give your opinions to the general public, i hope alex scott gets it as well as being so pretty she talks a good game
Gary Linekar wasn't doing his job when he spoke.
He was using twitter. "What's good for the geese is good for the gander too. If people could apply the same cancel tactics to JK Rowling with her personal comments and briefs about women's rights and trans rights (which are totally apart from her literary credentials and works) I don't see why there's now such an outrage over Gary Lineker. Seems like woke culture which invented wanton cancellation of individuals for anything in their personal beliefs or opinions expressed openly don't like it when the cancel guns are turned on their own kind by a power bigger than them. Gary Lineker. Roald Dahl. JK Rowling. Kate Forbes. What a reflection of how soft and censorious UK society had become nowadays. Every foreign country with an axe to grind against the UK is laughing their collective butts off at how the UK is ripping itself apart over such asinine stuff. | |||
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"It's a shame that the presenters hadn't developed their collective social conscience when supporting the Quatari World Cup..... Talk Sport's Simon jordan and Jim White have an awful lot to say on Arab ownership of football clubs and human rights but still went to the world cup Whilst there, they interviewed the PSG President Nasser Al Khelaifi and afterwards White and Jordan were asked themselves why they didnt take Al Khelafi to task on human rights as on their radio show they are so outspoken on the subject! They said they would have but ran out of time " Utter nonsense. If they really wanted to hold the Qataris' feet to the fire on the issues described they'd have opened their interview with those 64 thousand dollar questions. Saying that time ran out is just a lame cop out. | |||
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"This could all have been avoided if Lineker nwas more like Alan Sugar and used twitter impartially to encourage people to vote tory and condemn strikers "
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"Good on Wrighty for supporting Lineker. This government and BBC cowering to them on this is fucking ridiculous. You are joking right? Ian Wright commented “ people know how much MOTD means to him but he would of declined an invite for Saturday evenings program “ This is the same Ian Wright who turned down his beloved MOTD to work for ITV for the last World Cup ! MOTD wasn't shown during the world cup.." MOTD 2022 World Cup was the branding the corporation used Oh also MOTD 2022 World Cup - Highlights You can try and find all the excuses you want but Wrighty binned off the BBC to chase the money | |||
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"its like the ricky gervaisis speach at the oscars, ie just do your job n fook off , your not on tv too lecture or give your opinions to the general public, i hope alex scott gets it as well as being so pretty she talks a good game
Gary Linekar wasn't doing his job when he spoke.
He was using twitter.
What's good for the geese is good for the gander too.
If people could apply the same cancel tactics to JK Rowling with her personal comments and briefs about women's rights and trans rights (which are totally apart from her literary credentials and works) I don't see why there's now such an outrage over Gary Lineker.
Seems like woke culture which invented wanton cancellation of individuals for anything in their personal beliefs or opinions expressed openly don't like it when the cancel guns are turned on their own kind by a power bigger than them.
Gary Lineker. Roald Dahl. JK Rowling. Kate Forbes. What a reflection of how soft and censorious UK society had become nowadays. Every foreign country with an axe to grind against the UK is laughing their collective butts off at how the UK is ripping itself apart over such asinine stuff. "How about we compare like for like Andrew Nell's Tweets Alan Sugar's Tweets Gary Lineker's Tweets All 3 being BBC contractors. 1 in a political capacity. All make political Tweets Why is only one an issue to the right wing media (it was The Mail and Telegraph that first used the Nazi word) and the BBC? | |||
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"its like the ricky gervaisis speach at the oscars, ie just do your job n fook off , your not on tv too lecture or give your opinions to the general public, i hope alex scott gets it as well as being so pretty she talks a good game
Gary Linekar wasn't doing his job when he spoke.
He was using twitter.
What's good for the geese is good for the gander too.
If people could apply the same cancel tactics to JK Rowling with her personal comments and briefs about women's rights and trans rights (which are totally apart from her literary credentials and works) I don't see why there's now such an outrage over Gary Lineker.
Seems like woke culture which invented wanton cancellation of individuals for anything in their personal beliefs or opinions expressed openly don't like it when the cancel guns are turned on their own kind by a power bigger than them.
Gary Lineker. Roald Dahl. JK Rowling. Kate Forbes. What a reflection of how soft and censorious UK society had become nowadays. Every foreign country with an axe to grind against the UK is laughing their collective butts off at how the UK is ripping itself apart over such asinine stuff. "Spot on! Nobody should be restricted for what you say. It's HOW you say it that is more relevant. If it's directed at a specific individual with hatred and vitriol that's different from making a general statement. They are going down the same path that Putin is doing in Rusia by restricting any anti party rhetoric. | |||
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"Taxpayers money paying for a bloke to earn well over £1m to host football highlights programme is beyond stupid. I hope the BBC get rid of him properly. " Tom agrees.... People do not switch on to watch the presenter. They switch on to watch the football highlights... | |||
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"Spreading… no football focus and no final score today! " Could this spread to Springwatch and Countryfile.. Or even other TV channels.. Could this be the end of much of our broadcasting.. Is Civil War a possibility... The circumscised against the non circumsised... Roundheads against the cavaliers... Meanwhile back at the ranch.. Will Italy beat Wales in the rugby... | |||
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"Good on Wrighty for supporting Lineker. This government and BBC cowering to them on this is fucking ridiculous. You are joking right? Ian Wright commented “ people know how much MOTD means to him but he would of declined an invite for Saturday evenings program “ This is the same Ian Wright who turned down his beloved MOTD to work for ITV for the last World Cup ! MOTD wasn't shown during the world cup.. MOTD 2022 World Cup was the branding the corporation used Oh also MOTD 2022 World Cup - Highlights You can try and find all the excuses you want but Wrighty binned off the BBC to chase the money Happy to be corrected on the format they used .. Like others including Lineker he's a freelance, his decision to go with another organisation for whatever reasons doesn't mean he can't take a stance later.. That's not logical.." I understand how being self employed / Freelance works. That’s not my point | |||
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"Taxpayers money paying for a bloke to earn well over £1m to host football highlights programme is beyond stupid. I hope the BBC get rid of him properly. Tom agrees.... People do not switch on to watch the presenter. They switch on to watch the football highlights... " Sometimes they want to hear the professional opinion. | |||
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"Spreading… no football focus and no final score today! Good. Get rid of them all. We can manage without them. Programs and / or presenters. There are rules. Adhere to them or leave. Bully boy tactics with highly paid and rewarded employees on shows that havr been incredibly beneficial to them, bullying employers is an interesting concept though. Interesting to see how it looks in a few weeks. Rather like the ronaldo at united situation, lets hope the dog wags the tail. " Completely agree! Jenas, Scott , Richards , Somers etc etc etc the tv will be a much better place without these people | |||
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A constructive dismissal case if there ever was one, only problem is the fact that his contract states the word 'impartial'. Therefore you are not allowed to go against your paymasters..."Who did he show impartiality toward ? He said the 'present language used about immigration is not too dissimilar to that of Germany in 1930's ' | |||
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"Taxpayers money paying for a bloke to earn well over £1m to host football highlights programme is beyond stupid. I hope the BBC get rid of him properly. " Him and the rest of the overpaid fools! Especially Shearer & Jenas | |||
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A constructive dismissal case if there ever was one, only problem is the fact that his contract states the word 'impartial'. Therefore you are not allowed to go against your paymasters...
Who did he show impartiality toward ?
He said the 'present language used about immigration is not too dissimilar to that of Germany in 1930's '
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A constructive dismissal case if there ever was one, only problem is the fact that his contract states the word 'impartial'. Therefore you are not allowed to go against your paymasters...
Who did he show impartiality toward ?
He said the 'present language used about immigration is not too dissimilar to that of Germany in 1930's '
What did he mean by that Granny?
It's a pretty inoculated remark to be fair"I'd agree that he knew the path that most minds would take. Still to me it wasn't anti bbc nor anti tory. It was an opinion regarding a certain policy. | |||
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"I wondered if they want G L out so that they could pay a youngster on a lot less dosh????
A constructive dismissal case if there ever was one, only problem is the fact that his contract states the word 'impartial'. Therefore you are not allowed to go against your paymasters...
Who did he show impartiality toward ?
He said the 'present language used about immigration is not too dissimilar to that of Germany in 1930's '
What did he mean by that Granny?
It's a pretty inoculated remark to be fair
I'd agree that he knew the path that most minds would take. Still to me it wasn't anti bbc nor anti tory. It was an opinion regarding a certain policy.
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"Totally agree op , Smacks of trying to keep people quiet and compliant . I hope it will all backfire spectacularly on the bbc and gov. It already is doing. Current news updates show that people are cancelling their licence fees and tweeting the cancelled DD’s. Fat boy slim did a concert (yesterday I think) and - along with other people - showed a picture of Gary , turned to applaud it and showed #imwithgary. This episode will be extremely detrimental to both the BBC and the tories. Thousands who never even contemplated politics are now discussing this - which is the very last thing the tories want. I also find it confusing and frankly quite upsetting that the people who seen most vociferously against any and all immigration (Priti Patel, Suela Braverman and now Rishi Sunak) are people who’s descendants would have been welcomed into this country. Makes me feel quite sick tbh.
And the bbc going pop would be a fantastic thing. Less crap, less bias, less past it sports staa being paid small fortunes for trotting out inanities. That would be a great outcome. "As for encouraging genuine balanced and robust political debate, rather than gesture politics for celebs, if that is an outcome, fantastic. | |||
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Are the French in any way to blame.. ?"Macron is laughing maniacally at the UK ripping itself apart, wiping his tears of laughter with the new load of money the UK just sent him to police his own national borders to prevent illegal boat crossings from departing, and then ordering his border control gendarmes to brutally break up and destroy migrant tenting groups to drive them out of France into the sea. He couldn't have asked for a better dead cat distraction if he tried. The UK tearing itself apart over refugee policy and policing, whilst Macron, France and the EU already built Fortress Europe in physical barbed wire, concrete, and police batons. | |||
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"Totally agree op , Smacks of trying to keep people quiet and compliant . I hope it will all backfire spectacularly on the bbc and gov. It already is doing. Current news updates show that people are cancelling their licence fees and tweeting the cancelled DD’s. Fat boy slim did a concert (yesterday I think) and - along with other people - showed a picture of Gary , turned to applaud it and showed #imwithgary. This episode will be extremely detrimental to both the BBC and the tories. Thousands who never even contemplated politics are now discussing this - which is the very last thing the tories want. I also find it confusing and frankly quite upsetting that the people who seen most vociferously against any and all immigration (Priti Patel, Suela Braverman and now Rishi Sunak) are people who’s descendants would have been welcomed into this country. Makes me feel quite sick tbh.
Are the French in any way to blame.. ?
Macron is laughing maniacally at the UK ripping itself apart, wiping his tears of laughter with the new load of money the UK just sent him to police his own national borders to prevent illegal boat crossings from departing, and then ordering his border control gendarmes to brutally break up and destroy migrant tenting groups to drive them out of France into the sea.
He couldn't have asked for a better dead cat distraction if he tried. The UK tearing itself apart over refugee policy and policing, whilst Macron, France and the EU already built Fortress Europe in physical barbed wire, concrete, and police batons. "Knew it... It's a French plot like no other.... | |||
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Are the French in any way to blame.. ?"We can agree to disagree Tom - but the issue appears to be (I’ve not read up completely on it but intend to) is that ‘we’ as a country have now essentially blocked any and all methods of asylum seeking. The obvious exception being for the Ukraine and a few people from Afghanistan when the general population gave a crap - before we cared about the Ukraine instead. Interestingly - post Brexit and now we’ve blocked free movement throughout the EU (slightly off topic but related to the ‘closed borders’ issue) - £60m of food rotted in UK fields last year because there was no one to pick it - this year many farmers have decided not to grow perishable produce at all. Be careful what you vote for!  | |||
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Are the French in any way to blame.. ?
Macron is laughing maniacally at the UK ripping itself apart, wiping his tears of laughter with the new load of money the UK just sent him to police his own national borders to prevent illegal boat crossings from departing, and then ordering his border control gendarmes to brutally break up and destroy migrant tenting groups to drive them out of France into the sea.
He couldn't have asked for a better dead cat distraction if he tried. The UK tearing itself apart over refugee policy and policing, whilst Macron, France and the EU already built Fortress Europe in physical barbed wire, concrete, and police batons. "Wonder if we started invading france if theyd do anything about it. Or a gallic shrug and a tug on a gauloise | |||
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"Totally agree op , Smacks of trying to keep people quiet and compliant . I hope it will all backfire spectacularly on the bbc and gov. It already is doing. Current news updates show that people are cancelling their licence fees and tweeting the cancelled DD’s. Fat boy slim did a concert (yesterday I think) and - along with other people - showed a picture of Gary , turned to applaud it and showed #imwithgary. This episode will be extremely detrimental to both the BBC and the tories. Thousands who never even contemplated politics are now discussing this - which is the very last thing the tories want. I also find it confusing and frankly quite upsetting that the people who seen most vociferously against any and all immigration (Priti Patel, Suela Braverman and now Rishi Sunak) are people who’s descendants would have been welcomed into this country. Makes me feel quite sick tbh.
Are the French in any way to blame.. ?
We can agree to disagree Tom - but the issue appears to be (I’ve not read up completely on it but intend to) is that ‘we’ as a country have now essentially blocked any and all methods of asylum seeking. The obvious exception being for the Ukraine and a few people from Afghanistan when the general population gave a crap - before we cared about the Ukraine instead.
Interestingly - post Brexit and now we’ve blocked free movement throughout the EU (slightly off topic but related to the ‘closed borders’ issue) - £60m of food rotted in UK fields last year because there was no one to pick it - this year many farmers have decided not to grow perishable produce at all.
Be careful what you vote for! "Not enough people working the fields because they simply don't pay enough for the amount of manual labour and time demanded. No way for farmers to pay workers properly and hence attract Brits to do farming work in the fields because their profit margins are so utterly squeezed by supermarket chains pushing their hard bargains and bottom dollar contracts to bulk buy their produce. No way for supermarkets to pay farmers more (well partially at least) because British society in general does not want to pay more for homegrown produce. Globalisation has made everything so commodified that society only knows to measure the price of everything and know the value of nothing. And this just becomes a vicious circle of society beggaring itself, thinking that there's always a cheaper foreign alternative or labour pool to tap into. Making a mockery of capitalism in its fundamental sense: demand and supply creating a fair price for all parties. Until that spigot turns off. And still British society refuses to take over the jobs previously outsourced to foreigners deemed cheaper to hire, refusing to pay more for the stuff they buy, and the government refusing to acknowledge that some industries and goods are public and strategic in nature, and hence need priority in subsidising and state support for relative self sufficiency/reliance as much as possible. If society already doesn't believe in treating its own lesser lot better, what hope about helping foreign refugees and migrants? | |||
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Are the French in any way to blame.. ?
We can agree to disagree Tom - but the issue appears to be (I’ve not read up completely on it but intend to) is that ‘we’ as a country have now essentially blocked any and all methods of asylum seeking. The obvious exception being for the Ukraine and a few people from Afghanistan when the general population gave a crap - before we cared about the Ukraine instead.
Interestingly - post Brexit and now we’ve blocked free movement throughout the EU (slightly off topic but related to the ‘closed borders’ issue) - £60m of food rotted in UK fields last year because there was no one to pick it - this year many farmers have decided not to grow perishable produce at all.
Be careful what you vote for!
Not enough people working the fields because they simply don't pay enough for the amount of manual labour and time demanded.
No way for farmers to pay workers properly and hence attract Brits to do farming work in the fields because their profit margins are so utterly squeezed by supermarket chains pushing their hard bargains and bottom dollar contracts to bulk buy their produce.
No way for supermarkets to pay farmers more (well partially at least) because British society in general does not want to pay more for homegrown produce.
Globalisation has made everything so commodified that society only knows to measure the price of everything and know the value of nothing. And this just becomes a vicious circle of society beggaring itself, thinking that there's always a cheaper foreign alternative or labour pool to tap into. Making a mockery of capitalism in its fundamental sense: demand and supply creating a fair price for all parties.
Until that spigot turns off. And still British society refuses to take over the jobs previously outsourced to foreigners deemed cheaper to hire, refusing to pay more for the stuff they buy, and the government refusing to acknowledge that some industries and goods are public and strategic in nature, and hence need priority in subsidising and state support for relative self sufficiency/reliance as much as possible.
If society already doesn't believe in treating its own lesser lot better, what hope about helping foreign refugees and migrants? "I found that very informative and well written - thank you - I agree with many of your points - but I didn’t want to stray even more off topic than I already had. | |||
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"Totally agree op , Smacks of trying to keep people quiet and compliant . I hope it will all backfire spectacularly on the bbc and gov. It already is doing. Current news updates show that people are cancelling their licence fees and tweeting the cancelled DD’s. Fat boy slim did a concert (yesterday I think) and - along with other people - showed a picture of Gary , turned to applaud it and showed #imwithgary. This episode will be extremely detrimental to both the BBC and the tories. Thousands who never even contemplated politics are now discussing this - which is the very last thing the tories want. I also find it confusing and frankly quite upsetting that the people who seen most vociferously against any and all immigration (Priti Patel, Suela Braverman and now Rishi Sunak) are people who’s descendants would have been welcomed into this country. Makes me feel quite sick tbh.
Are the French in any way to blame.. ?
We can agree to disagree Tom - but the issue appears to be (I’ve not read up completely on it but intend to) is that ‘we’ as a country have now essentially blocked any and all methods of asylum seeking. The obvious exception being for the Ukraine and a few people from Afghanistan when the general population gave a crap - before we cared about the Ukraine instead.
Interestingly - post Brexit and now we’ve blocked free movement throughout the EU (slightly off topic but related to the ‘closed borders’ issue) - £60m of food rotted in UK fields last year because there was no one to pick it - this year many farmers have decided not to grow perishable produce at all.
Be careful what you vote for!
Not enough people working the fields because they simply don't pay enough for the amount of manual labour and time demanded.
No way for farmers to pay workers properly and hence attract Brits to do farming work in the fields because their profit margins are so utterly squeezed by supermarket chains pushing their hard bargains and bottom dollar contracts to bulk buy their produce.
No way for supermarkets to pay farmers more (well partially at least) because British society in general does not want to pay more for homegrown produce.
Globalisation has made everything so commodified that society only knows to measure the price of everything and know the value of nothing. And this just becomes a vicious circle of society beggaring itself, thinking that there's always a cheaper foreign alternative or labour pool to tap into. Making a mockery of capitalism in its fundamental sense: demand and supply creating a fair price for all parties.
Until that spigot turns off. And still British society refuses to take over the jobs previously outsourced to foreigners deemed cheaper to hire, refusing to pay more for the stuff they buy, and the government refusing to acknowledge that some industries and goods are public and strategic in nature, and hence need priority in subsidising and state support for relative self sufficiency/reliance as much as possible.
If society already doesn't believe in treating its own lesser lot better, what hope about helping foreign refugees and migrants? "Agree and if we as a society sit back and let any government treat any group in this case immigrants as they are planning then we might be next.. | |||
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"Totally agree op , Smacks of trying to keep people quiet and compliant . I hope it will all backfire spectacularly on the bbc and gov. It already is doing. Current news updates show that people are cancelling their licence fees and tweeting the cancelled DD’s. Fat boy slim did a concert (yesterday I think) and - along with other people - showed a picture of Gary , turned to applaud it and showed #imwithgary. This episode will be extremely detrimental to both the BBC and the tories. Thousands who never even contemplated politics are now discussing this - which is the very last thing the tories want. I also find it confusing and frankly quite upsetting that the people who seen most vociferously against any and all immigration (Priti Patel, Suela Braverman and now Rishi Sunak) are people who’s descendants would have been welcomed into this country. Makes me feel quite sick tbh.
Are the French in any way to blame.. ?
We can agree to disagree Tom - but the issue appears to be (I’ve not read up completely on it but intend to) is that ‘we’ as a country have now essentially blocked any and all methods of asylum seeking. The obvious exception being for the Ukraine and a few people from Afghanistan when the general population gave a crap - before we cared about the Ukraine instead.
Interestingly - post Brexit and now we’ve blocked free movement throughout the EU (slightly off topic but related to the ‘closed borders’ issue) - £60m of food rotted in UK fields last year because there was no one to pick it - this year many farmers have decided not to grow perishable produce at all.
Be careful what you vote for!
Not enough people working the fields because they simply don't pay enough for the amount of manual labour and time demanded.
No way for farmers to pay workers properly and hence attract Brits to do farming work in the fields because their profit margins are so utterly squeezed by supermarket chains pushing their hard bargains and bottom dollar contracts to bulk buy their produce.
No way for supermarkets to pay farmers more (well partially at least) because British society in general does not want to pay more for homegrown produce.
Globalisation has made everything so commodified that society only knows to measure the price of everything and know the value of nothing. And this just becomes a vicious circle of society beggaring itself, thinking that there's always a cheaper foreign alternative or labour pool to tap into. Making a mockery of capitalism in its fundamental sense: demand and supply creating a fair price for all parties.
Until that spigot turns off. And still British society refuses to take over the jobs previously outsourced to foreigners deemed cheaper to hire, refusing to pay more for the stuff they buy, and the government refusing to acknowledge that some industries and goods are public and strategic in nature, and hence need priority in subsidising and state support for relative self sufficiency/reliance as much as possible.
If society already doesn't believe in treating its own lesser lot better, what hope about helping foreign refugees and migrants?
Agree and if we as a society sit back and let any government treat any group in this case immigrants as they are planning then we might be next.."We will be. I’ve read a little (but again plan to read up more) about the government wanting to withdraw from the European court of human rights. Ostensibly this is so we can ‘control our own borders’ - but then there’s little to stop them eroding employment rights (minimum pay, holiday entitlement, unfair dismissal etc), right to benefits etc. If they get another 4+ years in power then Britain will be a very different place in 2027 - and things like the NHS will be eroded to the point of no return. | |||
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"Good on Wrighty for supporting Lineker. This government and BBC cowering to them on this is fucking ridiculous." It's the same censorship that the right abuse socialists of practicing. A show of double standards | |||
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"Totally agree op , Smacks of trying to keep people quiet and compliant . I hope it will all backfire spectacularly on the bbc and gov. It already is doing. Current news updates show that people are cancelling their licence fees and tweeting the cancelled DD’s. Fat boy slim did a concert (yesterday I think) and - along with other people - showed a picture of Gary , turned to applaud it and showed #imwithgary. This episode will be extremely detrimental to both the BBC and the tories. Thousands who never even contemplated politics are now discussing this - which is the very last thing the tories want. I also find it confusing and frankly quite upsetting that the people who seen most vociferously against any and all immigration (Priti Patel, Suela Braverman and now Rishi Sunak) are people who’s descendants would have been welcomed into this country. Makes me feel quite sick tbh.
Are the French in any way to blame.. ?
We can agree to disagree Tom - but the issue appears to be (I’ve not read up completely on it but intend to) is that ‘we’ as a country have now essentially blocked any and all methods of asylum seeking. The obvious exception being for the Ukraine and a few people from Afghanistan when the general population gave a crap - before we cared about the Ukraine instead.
Interestingly - post Brexit and now we’ve blocked free movement throughout the EU (slightly off topic but related to the ‘closed borders’ issue) - £60m of food rotted in UK fields last year because there was no one to pick it - this year many farmers have decided not to grow perishable produce at all.
Be careful what you vote for!
Not enough people working the fields because they simply don't pay enough for the amount of manual labour and time demanded.
No way for farmers to pay workers properly and hence attract Brits to do farming work in the fields because their profit margins are so utterly squeezed by supermarket chains pushing their hard bargains and bottom dollar contracts to bulk buy their produce.
No way for supermarkets to pay farmers more (well partially at least) because British society in general does not want to pay more for homegrown produce.
Globalisation has made everything so commodified that society only knows to measure the price of everything and know the value of nothing. And this just becomes a vicious circle of society beggaring itself, thinking that there's always a cheaper foreign alternative or labour pool to tap into. Making a mockery of capitalism in its fundamental sense: demand and supply creating a fair price for all parties.
Until that spigot turns off. And still British society refuses to take over the jobs previously outsourced to foreigners deemed cheaper to hire, refusing to pay more for the stuff they buy, and the government refusing to acknowledge that some industries and goods are public and strategic in nature, and hence need priority in subsidising and state support for relative self sufficiency/reliance as much as possible.
If society already doesn't believe in treating its own lesser lot better, what hope about helping foreign refugees and migrants?
Agree and if we as a society sit back and let any government treat any group in this case immigrants as they are planning then we might be next.."Unfortunately as long as humanity is organised along the lines of sovereign nation states, then there will always be the need for 'othering' outsiders. And it is necessary, not least because resources are finite. If there is to be legal refugee routes established for entry into the UK, then the illegal routes need to be closed off. Also, you're in the minority who believe that migrants and refugees should be treated the same way as British citizens. If that's the case then what's the point of citizenship? | |||
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"Totally agree op , Smacks of trying to keep people quiet and compliant . I hope it will all backfire spectacularly on the bbc and gov. It already is doing. Current news updates show that people are cancelling their licence fees and tweeting the cancelled DD’s. Fat boy slim did a concert (yesterday I think) and - along with other people - showed a picture of Gary , turned to applaud it and showed #imwithgary. This episode will be extremely detrimental to both the BBC and the tories. Thousands who never even contemplated politics are now discussing this - which is the very last thing the tories want. I also find it confusing and frankly quite upsetting that the people who seen most vociferously against any and all immigration (Priti Patel, Suela Braverman and now Rishi Sunak) are people who’s descendants would have been welcomed into this country. Makes me feel quite sick tbh.
Are the French in any way to blame.. ?
We can agree to disagree Tom - but the issue appears to be (I’ve not read up completely on it but intend to) is that ‘we’ as a country have now essentially blocked any and all methods of asylum seeking. The obvious exception being for the Ukraine and a few people from Afghanistan when the general population gave a crap - before we cared about the Ukraine instead.
Interestingly - post Brexit and now we’ve blocked free movement throughout the EU (slightly off topic but related to the ‘closed borders’ issue) - £60m of food rotted in UK fields last year because there was no one to pick it - this year many farmers have decided not to grow perishable produce at all.
Be careful what you vote for!
Not enough people working the fields because they simply don't pay enough for the amount of manual labour and time demanded.
No way for farmers to pay workers properly and hence attract Brits to do farming work in the fields because their profit margins are so utterly squeezed by supermarket chains pushing their hard bargains and bottom dollar contracts to bulk buy their produce.
No way for supermarkets to pay farmers more (well partially at least) because British society in general does not want to pay more for homegrown produce.
Globalisation has made everything so commodified that society only knows to measure the price of everything and know the value of nothing. And this just becomes a vicious circle of society beggaring itself, thinking that there's always a cheaper foreign alternative or labour pool to tap into. Making a mockery of capitalism in its fundamental sense: demand and supply creating a fair price for all parties.
Until that spigot turns off. And still British society refuses to take over the jobs previously outsourced to foreigners deemed cheaper to hire, refusing to pay more for the stuff they buy, and the government refusing to acknowledge that some industries and goods are public and strategic in nature, and hence need priority in subsidising and state support for relative self sufficiency/reliance as much as possible.
If society already doesn't believe in treating its own lesser lot better, what hope about helping foreign refugees and migrants?
Agree and if we as a society sit back and let any government treat any group in this case immigrants as they are planning then we might be next..
Unfortunately as long as humanity is organised along the lines of sovereign nation states, then there will always be the need for 'othering' outsiders. And it is necessary, not least because resources are finite. If there is to be legal refugee routes established for entry into the UK, then the illegal routes need to be closed off.
Also, you're in the minority who believe that migrants and refugees should be treated the same way as British citizens. If that's the case then what's the point of citizenship? "I don’t think it’s about treating them in the same way with equal rights to UK citizens - but the government rhetoric seems to be more and more dehumanising - almost a competition to see who can have the harshest stance on immigration. From what I can see we need initial investment - and a better system - to process asylum applications far more quickly and efficiently. If we had an effective system in place this wouldn’t be such a huge issue - and UK hotels (including my local one) wouldn’t be rammed with asylum seekers awaiting a decision. | |||
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"Totally agree op , Smacks of trying to keep people quiet and compliant . I hope it will all backfire spectacularly on the bbc and gov. It already is doing. Current news updates show that people are cancelling their licence fees and tweeting the cancelled DD’s. Fat boy slim did a concert (yesterday I think) and - along with other people - showed a picture of Gary , turned to applaud it and showed #imwithgary. This episode will be extremely detrimental to both the BBC and the tories. Thousands who never even contemplated politics are now discussing this - which is the very last thing the tories want. I also find it confusing and frankly quite upsetting that the people who seen most vociferously against any and all immigration (Priti Patel, Suela Braverman and now Rishi Sunak) are people who’s descendants would have been welcomed into this country. Makes me feel quite sick tbh.
Are the French in any way to blame.. ?
We can agree to disagree Tom - but the issue appears to be (I’ve not read up completely on it but intend to) is that ‘we’ as a country have now essentially blocked any and all methods of asylum seeking. The obvious exception being for the Ukraine and a few people from Afghanistan when the general population gave a crap - before we cared about the Ukraine instead.
Interestingly - post Brexit and now we’ve blocked free movement throughout the EU (slightly off topic but related to the ‘closed borders’ issue) - £60m of food rotted in UK fields last year because there was no one to pick it - this year many farmers have decided not to grow perishable produce at all.
Be careful what you vote for!
Not enough people working the fields because they simply don't pay enough for the amount of manual labour and time demanded.
No way for farmers to pay workers properly and hence attract Brits to do farming work in the fields because their profit margins are so utterly squeezed by supermarket chains pushing their hard bargains and bottom dollar contracts to bulk buy their produce.
No way for supermarkets to pay farmers more (well partially at least) because British society in general does not want to pay more for homegrown produce.
Globalisation has made everything so commodified that society only knows to measure the price of everything and know the value of nothing. And this just becomes a vicious circle of society beggaring itself, thinking that there's always a cheaper foreign alternative or labour pool to tap into. Making a mockery of capitalism in its fundamental sense: demand and supply creating a fair price for all parties.
Until that spigot turns off. And still British society refuses to take over the jobs previously outsourced to foreigners deemed cheaper to hire, refusing to pay more for the stuff they buy, and the government refusing to acknowledge that some industries and goods are public and strategic in nature, and hence need priority in subsidising and state support for relative self sufficiency/reliance as much as possible.
If society already doesn't believe in treating its own lesser lot better, what hope about helping foreign refugees and migrants?
Agree and if we as a society sit back and let any government treat any group in this case immigrants as they are planning then we might be next..
Unfortunately as long as humanity is organised along the lines of sovereign nation states, then there will always be the need for 'othering' outsiders. And it is necessary, not least because resources are finite. If there is to be legal refugee routes established for entry into the UK, then the illegal routes need to be closed off.
Also, you're in the minority who believe that migrants and refugees should be treated the same way as British citizens. If that's the case then what's the point of citizenship?
I don’t think it’s about treating them in the same way with equal rights to UK citizens - but the government rhetoric seems to be more and more dehumanising - almost a competition to see who can have the harshest stance on immigration.
From what I can see we need initial investment - and a better system - to process asylum applications far more quickly and efficiently. If we had an effective system in place this wouldn’t be such a huge issue - and UK hotels (including my local one) wouldn’t be rammed with asylum seekers awaiting a decision. "You're right. End of the day it's about having money and the political will to spend it on the right places. And that's enough derailing from both of us! | |||
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"Totally agree op , Smacks of trying to keep people quiet and compliant . I hope it will all backfire spectacularly on the bbc and gov. It already is doing. Current news updates show that people are cancelling their licence fees and tweeting the cancelled DD’s. Fat boy slim did a concert (yesterday I think) and - along with other people - showed a picture of Gary , turned to applaud it and showed #imwithgary. This episode will be extremely detrimental to both the BBC and the tories. Thousands who never even contemplated politics are now discussing this - which is the very last thing the tories want. I also find it confusing and frankly quite upsetting that the people who seen most vociferously against any and all immigration (Priti Patel, Suela Braverman and now Rishi Sunak) are people who’s descendants would have been welcomed into this country. Makes me feel quite sick tbh.
Are the French in any way to blame.. ?
We can agree to disagree Tom - but the issue appears to be (I’ve not read up completely on it but intend to) is that ‘we’ as a country have now essentially blocked any and all methods of asylum seeking. The obvious exception being for the Ukraine and a few people from Afghanistan when the general population gave a crap - before we cared about the Ukraine instead.
Interestingly - post Brexit and now we’ve blocked free movement throughout the EU (slightly off topic but related to the ‘closed borders’ issue) - £60m of food rotted in UK fields last year because there was no one to pick it - this year many farmers have decided not to grow perishable produce at all.
Be careful what you vote for!
Not enough people working the fields because they simply don't pay enough for the amount of manual labour and time demanded.
No way for farmers to pay workers properly and hence attract Brits to do farming work in the fields because their profit margins are so utterly squeezed by supermarket chains pushing their hard bargains and bottom dollar contracts to bulk buy their produce.
No way for supermarkets to pay farmers more (well partially at least) because British society in general does not want to pay more for homegrown produce.
Globalisation has made everything so commodified that society only knows to measure the price of everything and know the value of nothing. And this just becomes a vicious circle of society beggaring itself, thinking that there's always a cheaper foreign alternative or labour pool to tap into. Making a mockery of capitalism in its fundamental sense: demand and supply creating a fair price for all parties.
Until that spigot turns off. And still British society refuses to take over the jobs previously outsourced to foreigners deemed cheaper to hire, refusing to pay more for the stuff they buy, and the government refusing to acknowledge that some industries and goods are public and strategic in nature, and hence need priority in subsidising and state support for relative self sufficiency/reliance as much as possible.
If society already doesn't believe in treating its own lesser lot better, what hope about helping foreign refugees and migrants?
Agree and if we as a society sit back and let any government treat any group in this case immigrants as they are planning then we might be next..
Unfortunately as long as humanity is organised along the lines of sovereign nation states, then there will always be the need for 'othering' outsiders. And it is necessary, not least because resources are finite. If there is to be legal refugee routes established for entry into the UK, then the illegal routes need to be closed off.
Also, you're in the minority who believe that migrants and refugees should be treated the same way as British citizens. If that's the case then what's the point of citizenship? "Can you explain how yilou feel the majority believe migrants and refugees should be treated then? | |||
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"Totally agree op , Smacks of trying to keep people quiet and compliant . I hope it will all backfire spectacularly on the bbc and gov. It already is doing. Current news updates show that people are cancelling their licence fees and tweeting the cancelled DD’s. Fat boy slim did a concert (yesterday I think) and - along with other people - showed a picture of Gary , turned to applaud it and showed #imwithgary. This episode will be extremely detrimental to both the BBC and the tories. Thousands who never even contemplated politics are now discussing this - which is the very last thing the tories want. I also find it confusing and frankly quite upsetting that the people who seen most vociferously against any and all immigration (Priti Patel, Suela Braverman and now Rishi Sunak) are people who’s descendants would have been welcomed into this country. Makes me feel quite sick tbh.
Are the French in any way to blame.. ?
We can agree to disagree Tom - but the issue appears to be (I’ve not read up completely on it but intend to) is that ‘we’ as a country have now essentially blocked any and all methods of asylum seeking. The obvious exception being for the Ukraine and a few people from Afghanistan when the general population gave a crap - before we cared about the Ukraine instead.
Interestingly - post Brexit and now we’ve blocked free movement throughout the EU (slightly off topic but related to the ‘closed borders’ issue) - £60m of food rotted in UK fields last year because there was no one to pick it - this year many farmers have decided not to grow perishable produce at all.
Be careful what you vote for!
Not enough people working the fields because they simply don't pay enough for the amount of manual labour and time demanded.
No way for farmers to pay workers properly and hence attract Brits to do farming work in the fields because their profit margins are so utterly squeezed by supermarket chains pushing their hard bargains and bottom dollar contracts to bulk buy their produce.
No way for supermarkets to pay farmers more (well partially at least) because British society in general does not want to pay more for homegrown produce.
Globalisation has made everything so commodified that society only knows to measure the price of everything and know the value of nothing. And this just becomes a vicious circle of society beggaring itself, thinking that there's always a cheaper foreign alternative or labour pool to tap into. Making a mockery of capitalism in its fundamental sense: demand and supply creating a fair price for all parties.
Until that spigot turns off. And still British society refuses to take over the jobs previously outsourced to foreigners deemed cheaper to hire, refusing to pay more for the stuff they buy, and the government refusing to acknowledge that some industries and goods are public and strategic in nature, and hence need priority in subsidising and state support for relative self sufficiency/reliance as much as possible.
If society already doesn't believe in treating its own lesser lot better, what hope about helping foreign refugees and migrants?
Agree and if we as a society sit back and let any government treat any group in this case immigrants as they are planning then we might be next..
Unfortunately as long as humanity is organised along the lines of sovereign nation states, then there will always be the need for 'othering' outsiders. And it is necessary, not least because resources are finite. If there is to be legal refugee routes established for entry into the UK, then the illegal routes need to be closed off.
Also, you're in the minority who believe that migrants and refugees should be treated the same way as British citizens. If that's the case then what's the point of citizenship?
Can you explain how yilou feel the majority believe migrants and refugees should be treated then?"Minimal to no benefits, minimal state support, jobs kept for locals as a priority,and certainly no open door policy where all one has to do is get into a small rubber boat and cross the Channel to Dover. In short, procedure, management/control, and priority. | |||
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"Totally agree op , Smacks of trying to keep people quiet and compliant . I hope it will all backfire spectacularly on the bbc and gov. It already is doing. Current news updates show that people are cancelling their licence fees and tweeting the cancelled DD’s. Fat boy slim did a concert (yesterday I think) and - along with other people - showed a picture of Gary , turned to applaud it and showed #imwithgary. This episode will be extremely detrimental to both the BBC and the tories. Thousands who never even contemplated politics are now discussing this - which is the very last thing the tories want. I also find it confusing and frankly quite upsetting that the people who seen most vociferously against any and all immigration (Priti Patel, Suela Braverman and now Rishi Sunak) are people who’s descendants would have been welcomed into this country. Makes me feel quite sick tbh.
Are the French in any way to blame.. ?
We can agree to disagree Tom - but the issue appears to be (I’ve not read up completely on it but intend to) is that ‘we’ as a country have now essentially blocked any and all methods of asylum seeking. The obvious exception being for the Ukraine and a few people from Afghanistan when the general population gave a crap - before we cared about the Ukraine instead.
Interestingly - post Brexit and now we’ve blocked free movement throughout the EU (slightly off topic but related to the ‘closed borders’ issue) - £60m of food rotted in UK fields last year because there was no one to pick it - this year many farmers have decided not to grow perishable produce at all.
Be careful what you vote for!
Not enough people working the fields because they simply don't pay enough for the amount of manual labour and time demanded.
No way for farmers to pay workers properly and hence attract Brits to do farming work in the fields because their profit margins are so utterly squeezed by supermarket chains pushing their hard bargains and bottom dollar contracts to bulk buy their produce.
No way for supermarkets to pay farmers more (well partially at least) because British society in general does not want to pay more for homegrown produce.
Globalisation has made everything so commodified that society only knows to measure the price of everything and know the value of nothing. And this just becomes a vicious circle of society beggaring itself, thinking that there's always a cheaper foreign alternative or labour pool to tap into. Making a mockery of capitalism in its fundamental sense: demand and supply creating a fair price for all parties.
Until that spigot turns off. And still British society refuses to take over the jobs previously outsourced to foreigners deemed cheaper to hire, refusing to pay more for the stuff they buy, and the government refusing to acknowledge that some industries and goods are public and strategic in nature, and hence need priority in subsidising and state support for relative self sufficiency/reliance as much as possible.
If society already doesn't believe in treating its own lesser lot better, what hope about helping foreign refugees and migrants?
Agree and if we as a society sit back and let any government treat any group in this case immigrants as they are planning then we might be next..
Unfortunately as long as humanity is organised along the lines of sovereign nation states, then there will always be the need for 'othering' outsiders. And it is necessary, not least because resources are finite. If there is to be legal refugee routes established for entry into the UK, then the illegal routes need to be closed off.
Also, you're in the minority who believe that migrants and refugees should be treated the same way as British citizens. If that's the case then what's the point of citizenship?
Can you explain how yilou feel the majority believe migrants and refugees should be treated then?
Minimal to no benefits, minimal state support, jobs kept for locals as a priority,and certainly no open door policy where all one has to do is get into a small rubber boat and cross the Channel to Dover.
In short, procedure, management/control, and priority. "So any immigrants should be treated like shit? Given you've said migrants, this presumably includes anyone not born and bred British? Oh and there's no open door, if there was there wouldn't be a 100000 backlog of applications (which is crazy given last year just 45000 applied for assylum) costing the government £6million a day. | |||
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"Totally agree op , Smacks of trying to keep people quiet and compliant . I hope it will all backfire spectacularly on the bbc and gov. It already is doing. Current news updates show that people are cancelling their licence fees and tweeting the cancelled DD’s. Fat boy slim did a concert (yesterday I think) and - along with other people - showed a picture of Gary , turned to applaud it and showed #imwithgary. This episode will be extremely detrimental to both the BBC and the tories. Thousands who never even contemplated politics are now discussing this - which is the very last thing the tories want. I also find it confusing and frankly quite upsetting that the people who seen most vociferously against any and all immigration (Priti Patel, Suela Braverman and now Rishi Sunak) are people who’s descendants would have been welcomed into this country. Makes me feel quite sick tbh.
Are the French in any way to blame.. ?
We can agree to disagree Tom - but the issue appears to be (I’ve not read up completely on it but intend to) is that ‘we’ as a country have now essentially blocked any and all methods of asylum seeking. The obvious exception being for the Ukraine and a few people from Afghanistan when the general population gave a crap - before we cared about the Ukraine instead.
Interestingly - post Brexit and now we’ve blocked free movement throughout the EU (slightly off topic but related to the ‘closed borders’ issue) - £60m of food rotted in UK fields last year because there was no one to pick it - this year many farmers have decided not to grow perishable produce at all.
Be careful what you vote for!
Not enough people working the fields because they simply don't pay enough for the amount of manual labour and time demanded.
No way for farmers to pay workers properly and hence attract Brits to do farming work in the fields because their profit margins are so utterly squeezed by supermarket chains pushing their hard bargains and bottom dollar contracts to bulk buy their produce.
No way for supermarkets to pay farmers more (well partially at least) because British society in general does not want to pay more for homegrown produce.
Globalisation has made everything so commodified that society only knows to measure the price of everything and know the value of nothing. And this just becomes a vicious circle of society beggaring itself, thinking that there's always a cheaper foreign alternative or labour pool to tap into. Making a mockery of capitalism in its fundamental sense: demand and supply creating a fair price for all parties.
Until that spigot turns off. And still British society refuses to take over the jobs previously outsourced to foreigners deemed cheaper to hire, refusing to pay more for the stuff they buy, and the government refusing to acknowledge that some industries and goods are public and strategic in nature, and hence need priority in subsidising and state support for relative self sufficiency/reliance as much as possible.
If society already doesn't believe in treating its own lesser lot better, what hope about helping foreign refugees and migrants?
Agree and if we as a society sit back and let any government treat any group in this case immigrants as they are planning then we might be next..
Unfortunately as long as humanity is organised along the lines of sovereign nation states, then there will always be the need for 'othering' outsiders. And it is necessary, not least because resources are finite. If there is to be legal refugee routes established for entry into the UK, then the illegal routes need to be closed off.
Also, you're in the minority who believe that migrants and refugees should be treated the same way as British citizens. If that's the case then what's the point of citizenship? "I think the point seems to be that citizens have the obligation of paying taxes for and supporting and integrating the migrants into our society ad infinitum. I cant see the end game of that being a happy outcome... Yet anyway. Also not quite sure why thr demographics of those are something like 90 per cent young males.? Presumably the females, youngers or olders do not require safe refuge or are prevented in other ways. | |||
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"Totally agree op , Smacks of trying to keep people quiet and compliant . I hope it will all backfire spectacularly on the bbc and gov. It already is doing. Current news updates show that people are cancelling their licence fees and tweeting the cancelled DD’s. Fat boy slim did a concert (yesterday I think) and - along with other people - showed a picture of Gary , turned to applaud it and showed #imwithgary. This episode will be extremely detrimental to both the BBC and the tories. Thousands who never even contemplated politics are now discussing this - which is the very last thing the tories want. I also find it confusing and frankly quite upsetting that the people who seen most vociferously against any and all immigration (Priti Patel, Suela Braverman and now Rishi Sunak) are people who’s descendants would have been welcomed into this country. Makes me feel quite sick tbh.
Are the French in any way to blame.. ?
We can agree to disagree Tom - but the issue appears to be (I’ve not read up completely on it but intend to) is that ‘we’ as a country have now essentially blocked any and all methods of asylum seeking. The obvious exception being for the Ukraine and a few people from Afghanistan when the general population gave a crap - before we cared about the Ukraine instead.
Interestingly - post Brexit and now we’ve blocked free movement throughout the EU (slightly off topic but related to the ‘closed borders’ issue) - £60m of food rotted in UK fields last year because there was no one to pick it - this year many farmers have decided not to grow perishable produce at all.
Be careful what you vote for!
Not enough people working the fields because they simply don't pay enough for the amount of manual labour and time demanded.
No way for farmers to pay workers properly and hence attract Brits to do farming work in the fields because their profit margins are so utterly squeezed by supermarket chains pushing their hard bargains and bottom dollar contracts to bulk buy their produce.
No way for supermarkets to pay farmers more (well partially at least) because British society in general does not want to pay more for homegrown produce.
Globalisation has made everything so commodified that society only knows to measure the price of everything and know the value of nothing. And this just becomes a vicious circle of society beggaring itself, thinking that there's always a cheaper foreign alternative or labour pool to tap into. Making a mockery of capitalism in its fundamental sense: demand and supply creating a fair price for all parties.
Until that spigot turns off. And still British society refuses to take over the jobs previously outsourced to foreigners deemed cheaper to hire, refusing to pay more for the stuff they buy, and the government refusing to acknowledge that some industries and goods are public and strategic in nature, and hence need priority in subsidising and state support for relative self sufficiency/reliance as much as possible.
If society already doesn't believe in treating its own lesser lot better, what hope about helping foreign refugees and migrants?
Agree and if we as a society sit back and let any government treat any group in this case immigrants as they are planning then we might be next..
Unfortunately as long as humanity is organised along the lines of sovereign nation states, then there will always be the need for 'othering' outsiders. And it is necessary, not least because resources are finite. If there is to be legal refugee routes established for entry into the UK, then the illegal routes need to be closed off.
Also, you're in the minority who believe that migrants and refugees should be treated the same way as British citizens. If that's the case then what's the point of citizenship?
I think the point seems to be that citizens have the obligation of paying taxes for and supporting and integrating the migrants into our society ad infinitum.
I cant see the end game of that being a happy outcome... Yet anyway. Also not quite sure why thr demographics of those are something like 90 per cent young males.? Presumably the females, youngers or olders do not require safe refuge or are prevented in other ways. "Its far more difficult for the old, women, and children to leave wherever isn't safe for them and seek refuge elsewhere. That explains why most refugees are single fit males. Its not exactly "women and children first to the lifeboats" here. | |||
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"Totally agree op , Smacks of trying to keep people quiet and compliant . I hope it will all backfire spectacularly on the bbc and gov. It already is doing. Current news updates show that people are cancelling their licence fees and tweeting the cancelled DD’s. Fat boy slim did a concert (yesterday I think) and - along with other people - showed a picture of Gary , turned to applaud it and showed #imwithgary. This episode will be extremely detrimental to both the BBC and the tories. Thousands who never even contemplated politics are now discussing this - which is the very last thing the tories want. I also find it confusing and frankly quite upsetting that the people who seen most vociferously against any and all immigration (Priti Patel, Suela Braverman and now Rishi Sunak) are people who’s descendants would have been welcomed into this country. Makes me feel quite sick tbh.
Are the French in any way to blame.. ?
We can agree to disagree Tom - but the issue appears to be (I’ve not read up completely on it but intend to) is that ‘we’ as a country have now essentially blocked any and all methods of asylum seeking. The obvious exception being for the Ukraine and a few people from Afghanistan when the general population gave a crap - before we cared about the Ukraine instead.
Interestingly - post Brexit and now we’ve blocked free movement throughout the EU (slightly off topic but related to the ‘closed borders’ issue) - £60m of food rotted in UK fields last year because there was no one to pick it - this year many farmers have decided not to grow perishable produce at all.
Be careful what you vote for!
Not enough people working the fields because they simply don't pay enough for the amount of manual labour and time demanded.
No way for farmers to pay workers properly and hence attract Brits to do farming work in the fields because their profit margins are so utterly squeezed by supermarket chains pushing their hard bargains and bottom dollar contracts to bulk buy their produce.
No way for supermarkets to pay farmers more (well partially at least) because British society in general does not want to pay more for homegrown produce.
Globalisation has made everything so commodified that society only knows to measure the price of everything and know the value of nothing. And this just becomes a vicious circle of society beggaring itself, thinking that there's always a cheaper foreign alternative or labour pool to tap into. Making a mockery of capitalism in its fundamental sense: demand and supply creating a fair price for all parties.
Until that spigot turns off. And still British society refuses to take over the jobs previously outsourced to foreigners deemed cheaper to hire, refusing to pay more for the stuff they buy, and the government refusing to acknowledge that some industries and goods are public and strategic in nature, and hence need priority in subsidising and state support for relative self sufficiency/reliance as much as possible.
If society already doesn't believe in treating its own lesser lot better, what hope about helping foreign refugees and migrants?
Agree and if we as a society sit back and let any government treat any group in this case immigrants as they are planning then we might be next..
Unfortunately as long as humanity is organised along the lines of sovereign nation states, then there will always be the need for 'othering' outsiders. And it is necessary, not least because resources are finite. If there is to be legal refugee routes established for entry into the UK, then the illegal routes need to be closed off.
Also, you're in the minority who believe that migrants and refugees should be treated the same way as British citizens. If that's the case then what's the point of citizenship? "How you've jumped to the latter assumption is strange given there's been no input on the thread in general and incorrect as regards my personal views.. What I know is that immigration as a policy has been a mess and used as a political football by pretty much all government's over the last few decades and as such similar to the NHS it's hindering the actual issue for those in the front line dealing day in day out with it .. This government have by getting rid of safe and legal application for those seeking asylum pushed those people into the pockets of the criminals who are exploiting a mess of a system and now the Tories are desperate to deflect their own failure they're getting more extreme in their attempts to look in control of this in the run up to the next general election.. Division and deflection once again to cover their own ineptitude and failed policies.. | |||
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"This all reminds Tom of the village pub arguement. It closes because hardly anyone used it and the locals who never used it are up in arms if you excuse the pun. Everyone moaning but few watch match of the day. " Bet they will tonight Tom.. You also I wager..  | |||
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