FabSwingers.com forum: Missing Nicola

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Do anyone else think she didn't go in the river ?

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

"Do anyone else think she didn't go in the river ?"

Yes, that diving search expert.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Do anyone else think she didn't go in the river ?

Yes, that diving search expert."

So I'm not alone hmm

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By *luebell888Woman
over a year ago

Glasgowish

So where do you think she went?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"So where do you think she went?"

Well.. I don't know, but her husband looked less worried than me when I lose my car keys

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By *nightsoftheCoffeeTableCouple
over a year ago

Leeds

The level of incompetence by the police on this case is shocking. Although I’m not surprised they are fucking useless.

The mr

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wouldn't surprise me if it was an officer that's why they've been so lack luster.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Wouldn't surprise me if it was an officer that's why they've been so lack luster. "

I thought that too

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

I’m amazed at the amount of effort & resources already put in. People go missing every day and rarely get anything like the attention here.

Makes you wonder why?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"The level of incompetence by the police on this case is shocking. Although I’m not surprised they are fucking useless.

The mr "

I agree. I saw a case recently where they allowed the murderer to go free because they couldn't find a body in the house after doing a search of the property. Days later someone called the police because of a smell.

It turned out the body was in the loft. Why wouldn't they search the loft in the first place !

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I’m amazed at the amount of effort & resources already put in. People go missing every day and rarely get anything like the attention here.

Makes you wonder why?"

Yeah now I come to think of it

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By *queakyclean69erCouple
over a year ago

Torquay / Fleet

"The level of incompetence by the police on this case is shocking. Although I’m not surprised they are fucking useless.

The mr "

Completely agree!

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

"I’m amazed at the amount of effort & resources already put in. People go missing every day and rarely get anything like the attention here.

Makes you wonder why?"

I said those on another thread.

The amount of resources ajd seniority of officers involved in this from the off is completely disproportionate. Most get a PC allocated, a weekly review and a mention on the forces social media inevitably shared by local new sites and that's it.

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By *nightsoftheCoffeeTableCouple
over a year ago

Leeds

"The level of incompetence by the police on this case is shocking. Although I’m not surprised they are fucking useless.

The mr

It turned out the body was in the loft. Why wouldn't they search the loft in the first place !

Wow. That ridiculous.

The mr

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"The level of incompetence by the police on this case is shocking. Although I’m not surprised they are fucking useless.

The mr

It turned out the body was in the loft. Why wouldn't they search the loft in the first place !

Wow. That ridiculous.

The mr "

Yes I thought the loft would be the obvious place to look. In another case a girl walked into a sandwich shop and cctv showed she never walked out. (The shop keeper murdered her and put her in the boot of his car) Police forensic team searched the shop and couldn't find any evidence. Later another shop keeper said the man had come to his shop stating that he had a nose bleed and he bought bleach to clean up the mess. When police heard this they did another search of the shop and only then did they find blood of the girl behind a cooker and in-between the cracks in the laminate flooring.

Ffs! they should of got it right the first time. This makes me think how many guilty people go free.

Another documentary I watched recently a dog walker found a victims shoe in a field which the police had searched the day before and found nothing!.

I wouldn't be surprised if the police are standing by the story of her falling in the river because they haven't done the job properly and they don't want to lose face now.

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By *ooliganMan
over a year ago

Preston

The Police have been fantastic. The press have whipped up a frenzy around the story because she was a slim, pretty blonde lady and there's a hunger to find out what happened to her.

That dickhead that came up from Dorking and tried to take over the investigation has done nothing but cause more problems. He just did exactly the same search that the Police had done, in the same places and with the same equipment. And he achieved exactly the same result!

But his desperation for fame has had him spouting all sorts of nonsense to anyone that'll point a camera in his direction. He's an opportunistic self-promoter who's exploiting the desperation of the family for his own publicity. And he hasn't got a fucking clue about that river.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Something is well wrong ,when there is simple know trace can only mean something is well wrong.

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By *irty_DeedsMan
over a year ago

Teesside

"So where do you think she went?

Well.. I don't know, but her husband looked less worried than me when I lose my car keys "
People react differently to stress. There is no set response to something like this. Trying to determine guilt via that is ridiculous and dangerous.

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By *ooliganMan
over a year ago

Preston

"Something is well wrong ,when there is simple know trace can only mean something is well wrong."

She fell into a swollen river and was dragged out to sea by a 9.1 metre tide. They'll find her on the sand flats between Shard Bridge and Knott End in the next few days.

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By *sBlueWoman
over a year ago

Up North

"Wouldn't surprise me if it was an officer that's why they've been so lack luster. "

What absolute rubbish

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some people have been watching too much CSI...

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By *uddy laneMan
over a year ago

dudley

"Do anyone else think she didn't go in the river ?"

Snatched and driven away.

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By *ooliganMan
over a year ago

Preston

"What absolute rubbish "

100%.

The Police are doing everything right, they know far more than all the online wannabe sleuths put together. Sadly, their hypothesis will be borne out in the next few days.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is a really interesting case. I actually really suspected an officer for Sarah Everard just because I know the road she went missing on well and thought there's no way something didn't come up on CCTV...

Obviously it did it just took time. But that road is too public.

Here is different, and weird. I'm guessing she was taken and just taken far away.

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By *agpie and RavenMan
over a year ago

Leicester

"I’m amazed at the amount of effort & resources already put in. People go missing every day and rarely get anything like the attention here.

Makes you wonder why?"

Because she's caucasian, blonde and photogenic.

Frank

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Wouldn't surprise me if it was an officer that's why they've been so lack luster.

What absolute rubbish "

The 5 minute experts are strong within this thread. Thankfully, they carry no responsibility on such matters.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Hmm a couple of police in this forum

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By *eandHim2019Couple
over a year ago

preston

"Something is well wrong ,when there is simple know trace can only mean something is well wrong.

She fell into a swollen river and was dragged out to sea by a 9.1 metre tide. They'll find her on the sand flats between Shard Bridge and Knott End in the next few days."

If she has got that far . She will have got into morecambe Bay. Then I'm afraid her body may never be found . The 20 odd cocklepickers who were lost in the bay years ago proves this . Many bodies never found

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By *REEPALESTINEMan
over a year ago

derby

Sold on

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By *ooliganMan
over a year ago

Preston

"If she has got that far . She will have got into morecambe Bay. Then I'm afraid her body may never be found . The 20 odd cocklepickers who were lost in the bay years ago proves this . Many bodies never found"

There were only 2 of the cocklers that weren’t recovered at the time of the disaster but 1 was found a couple of years later. The sea tends to give up its victims round there.

When I was a kid, a lad fell into a Brook 6miles upstream of where Nicola disappeared. He washed up at Shard after 2 weeks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There were only 2 of the cocklers that weren’t recovered at the time of the disaster but 1 was found a couple of years later. The sea tends to give up its victims round there.

When I was a kid, a lad fell into a Brook 6miles upstream of where Nicola disappeared. He washed up at Shard after 2 weeks. "

It's been interesting reading you posts. I assumed from your first post that you likely had extensive local knowledge.

There seems to be do much conflicting information out there on the river currently.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

Personally I think it's crass and distasteful posting speculation about this poor ladies disappearance, whilst her family are probably in a world of hell people are pointing fingers at the police.

I'm pretty sickened by this gossip it's really not nice.

I pray that they find her one way or another soon to give her family some closure and if it's a worse case she can rest in peace.

But until then there's always hope.

Peace and love

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Personally I think it's crass and distasteful posting speculation about this poor ladies disappearance, whilst her family are probably in a world of hell people are pointing fingers at the police.

I'm pretty sickened by this gossip it's really not nice.

I pray that they find her one way or another soon to give her family some closure and if it's a worse case she can rest in peace.

But until then there's always hope.

Peace and love "

Very well said

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By *lint-EverhardMan
over a year ago

Perpignan and cap

"Personally I think it's crass and distasteful posting speculation about this poor ladies disappearance, whilst her family are probably in a world of hell people are pointing fingers at the police.

I'm pretty sickened by this gossip it's really not nice.

I pray that they find her one way or another soon to give her family some closure and if it's a worse case she can rest in peace.

But until then there's always hope.

Peace and love "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Personally I think it's crass and distasteful posting speculation about this poor ladies disappearance, whilst her family are probably in a world of hell people are pointing fingers at the police.

I'm pretty sickened by this gossip it's really not nice.

I pray that they find her one way or another soon to give her family some closure and if it's a worse case she can rest in peace.

But until then there's always hope.

Peace and love "

Exactly this.

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By *asycouple1971Couple
over a year ago

midlands

Lets hope they find her even if it is bad news so that there is closure.

Its the not knowing which is the worse part.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When the pandemic hit everyone was an infectious disease expert.

When Russia invaded Ukrane everyone was military strategist.

Now someone goes missing everyone's Colombo.

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man
over a year ago

BRIDPORT

"When the pandemic hit everyone was an infectious disease expert.

When Russia invaded Ukrane everyone was military strategist.

Now someone goes missing everyone's Colombo. "

Just one more thing sir, I’ve got it on a piece of paper here somewhere.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How does someone just fall into a river? Genuine question because I walk along a river bank often and can't understand how you fall in...the land beside river looked flat too.

She was walking her dog wasn't she? Did the dog get found? Maybe she followed her dog in if it was in trouble.

I can see falling in if you're d*unk, but sober?

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By *ooliganMan
over a year ago

Preston

It's been interesting reading you posts. I assumed from your first post that you likely had extensive local knowledge.

There seems to be do much conflicting information out there on the river currently.

Yes, spent my childhood playing around that river, paths and fields. Have fished the river extensively since late 80s. It’s so frustrating seeing people coming up with theories having no knowledge of the area, and even worse when a so-called expert rocks up and jumps to wrong conclusions based on river conditions after a week without rain! He’s a disgrace, giving the family false hope.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"When the pandemic hit everyone was an infectious disease expert.

When Russia invaded Ukrane everyone was military strategist.

Now someone goes missing everyone's Colombo. "

Yep Fab is where you find the experts

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By *sBlueWoman
over a year ago

Up North

"Hmm a couple of police in this forum

So what if there is. It’s obvious your not one of them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Let's face reality here.

That missing woman will be 'dead' now?

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By *os19Man
over a year ago

Edmonton

I have been watching a comedy from the mid 70’s The Fall and Rise of Reginald Perrin and man who fakes his death then returns as someone else.There has also recently been a tv series called Stonehouse a politician who also faked his death.As far fetched as this may sound is it not possible that Nicola has done something similar

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How does someone just fall into a river? Genuine question because I walk along a river bank often and can't understand how you fall in...the land beside river looked flat too.

She was walking her dog wasn't she? Did the dog get found? Maybe she followed her dog in if it was in trouble.

I can see falling in if you're d*unk, but sober? "

The dog was found near by completely dry so had never been in the river.

In terms of people speculating that's only human nature. The husband has just done another interview in the last few hours. The friends and family will want to keep the story in the news front and centre for as long as possible so the police continue to pour resources into the case as that gives them the highest chance of some answers.

Most missing people get very little police resource or investigation, sadly Thousands just disappear each year.

Every so often a case (think madeleine mccann) makes centre stage news and continues to build momentum the family members and friends play a role in that. Sadly the British media has a relatively short attention span and even world wide events like the Russian Ukraine war become yesterday's news.

I hope the family manage to get some answers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have been watching a comedy from the mid 70’s The Fall and Rise of Reginald Perrin and man who fakes his death then returns as someone else.There has also recently been a tv series called Stonehouse a politician who also faked his death.As far fetched as this may sound is it not possible that Nicola has done something similar "

'The. Thief. The. Wife. and. The. Canoe.'

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By *sBlueWoman
over a year ago

Up North

I don’t think she would of just left her dog though

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By *os19Man
over a year ago

Edmonton

'The. Thief. The. Wife. and. The. Canoe.'"
. So not as far fetched as I think then. Perhaps I should throw in Shannon Matthews mother who faked her daughters disappearance

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By *asycouple1971Couple
over a year ago

midlands

I don’t think she would of just left her dog though "

Leave her kids but not the dog???

Someone wanting to start a new life would leave everything.

That canoe guy, his sons thought he was dead and even had a funeral.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"When the pandemic hit everyone was an infectious disease expert.

When Russia invaded Ukrane everyone was military strategist.

Now someone goes missing everyone's Colombo.

Just one more thing sir, I’ve got it on a piece of paper here somewhere. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don’t think she’s in the river. It doesn’t add up

Mrs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I see on social media so many disrespectful theories. Short story is two confused children who aren't with their mum.

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By *urenutsMan
over a year ago

waltham cross/Harrow HA1

Her partner said he got the kids in the car and put the dog in the boot. When they showed the ring picture it was the wife doing this. Something not right about all this.

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By *sBlueWoman
over a year ago

Up North

"I see on social media so many disrespectful theories. Short story is two confused children who aren't with their mum. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I haven’t really followed this case so not commenting on it per se.

However I find it laughable that some of the same posters who are ‘having a go’ at some for speculating are the same ones advocating ‘free speech’ in the ‘negative comments thread’.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Or, an 'alien' abduction?

I will just throw that 1 out there?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And here we go, demonising the Police again...

I am sure if these armchair critics think they can do better then go ahead. The lady could be home by teatime

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hmm a couple of police in this forum

I'm not. And if they are then I am sure they love reading about how shit their profession is

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By *orthwestbikerxxMan
over a year ago

lancs

"How does someone just fall into a river? Genuine question because I walk along a river bank often and can't understand how you fall in...the land beside river looked flat too.

She was walking her dog wasn't she? Did the dog get found? Maybe she followed her dog in if it was in trouble.

I can see falling in if you're d*unk, but sober? "
dog was regularly swimming there and Nicola good swimner herself definitely a 3rd party involved

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By *ooliganMan
over a year ago

Preston

"I'm not. And if they are then I am sure they love reading about how shit their profession is"

They’re used to it. And they’ll feel no smugness, just empathy for the family when their hypothesis is proven to be correct.

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By *ooliganMan
over a year ago

Preston

"dog was regularly swimming there and Nicola good swimner herself definitely a 3rd party involved

She didn’t let the dog in the water when she went there by car. A well trained dog will only enter the water with permission, if she’d fallen in, it would have stayed out and got agitated.

The shock of falling in a cold river is enough to cause someone to inhale enough water to drown within seconds.

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By *nightsoftheCoffeeTableCouple
over a year ago

Leeds

"dog was regularly swimming there and Nicola good swimner herself definitely a 3rd party involved

She didn’t let the dog in the water when she went there by car. A well trained dog will only enter the water with permission, if she’d fallen in, it would have stayed out and got agitated.

The shock of falling in a cold river is enough to cause someone to inhale enough water to drown within seconds. "

The edge of that river on the day was 18inches as reported by the diving expert, I don't think that's enough unless injured on the way down (although no skid or slip marks) to drown or suffer from the cold, she'd have just stood up, as I say unless injured.

Doesn't make much sense this case.

Mrs

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By *inAndTonic21Couple
over a year ago

Merseyside

Think the problem is she went out before 9am and then reported missing quite some time after. We like

Crime podcasts and programmes. I think the police are using the media to drop some clues to see who comes forward with info.

It’s a tragic story for the family esp with young kids xx

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By *usie pTV/TS
over a year ago

taunton

What ever the answer it is so bloody terribly sad and total agony for her family and friends.

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By *rispyDuckMan
over a year ago

Chinese Takeaway near you

Was reading comments on a Facebook post yesterday & someone commented "she ran off with a blackman" hahaha pmsl! Made me laugh that.

As a representative of 'BM' I can assure you all, that's "Fake News"

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By *ooliganMan
over a year ago

Preston

"The edge of that river on the day was 18inches as reported by the diving expert, I don't think that's enough unless injured on the way down (although no skid or slip marks) to drown or suffer from the cold, she'd have just stood up, as I say unless injured.

Doesn't make much sense this case.

Mrs"

The “expert” visited 10 days later and we’d had no rain during that time. The river can look quite calm. We’d had weeks of rain before she fell in. When it’s low, it pulls through at around 4/5knots. And extra foot of water and it pulls through at twice that speed.

The “expert” was too thick to take onboard the advice of local experts. He also ignored the 9m tide of the afternoon she disappeared. And he said it was “impossible” she went out to sea.

He’s going to look rather silly when she turns up.

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By *nightsoftheCoffeeTableCouple
over a year ago

Leeds

Doesn't make much sense this case.

Mrs

The “expert” was too thick to take onboard the advice of local experts. He also ignored the 9m tide of the afternoon she disappeared. And he said it was “impossible” she went out to sea.

He’s going to look rather silly when she turns up. "

The "expert" I'm not sure is thick, being an "expert" in their field.

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By *ooliganMan
over a year ago

Preston

Self proclaimed. We’ll see

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Doesn't make much sense this case.

Mrs

The “expert” was too thick to take onboard the advice of local experts. He also ignored the 9m tide of the afternoon she disappeared. And he said it was “impossible” she went out to sea.

He’s going to look rather silly when she turns up. "

Interesting and educated points , thanks for sharing. X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anyone noticed how much the boyfriend is self publicising? Turns up at the drop of a hat and is doing hour long interviews and coming out with lines like "Someone in the village knows something". If "someone knows" they must have had a hand in the disappearance, unlikely. I call the boyfriend is arrested in a few days

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By *ooliganMan
over a year ago

Preston

"Anyone noticed how much the boyfriend is self publicising? Turns up at the drop of a hat and is doing hour long interviews and coming out with lines like "Someone in the village knows something". If "someone knows" they must have had a hand in the disappearance, unlikely. I call the boyfriend is arrested in a few days"

He’s not involved.

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

He’s not involved. "

Are you his alibi ?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Channel 5 last night at 9 p.m. devoted an hour to it. Called Vanished.

I recorded it. Might watch it later.

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By *ooliganMan
over a year ago

Preston

He’s not involved.

Are you his alibi ?"

The police have eliminated him from the inquiry, there is literally zero suspicion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He’s not involved.

Are you his alibi ?"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He’s not involved.

Are you his alibi ?

The police have eliminated him from the inquiry, there is literally zero suspicion. "

Nonsense. You know nothing

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

there is literally zero suspicion. "

About 50% of female murder victims are killed by their partner so there must be a bit of suspicion.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

there is literally zero suspicion.

About 50% of female murder victims are killed by their partner so there must be a bit of suspicion. "

I did hear once on the news that he was eliminated because he was at home but haven't heard it since.

Didn't say he hadn't been out and come back though.

I don't want to cast suspicion on him at all though.

But I didn't like the term 'those girls' ...... not really heard a parent speak that way about their own before.

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By *a LunaWoman
over a year ago

South Wales

Why did they take her partner to the scene of where they think she went in? I found that odd.

To be honest, I think the Police aren’t daft. They are just playing their cards close to their chest. You can’t go giving away all the ins and outs of a case to the public, that’s just common sense.

Personally, whatever happened, I just hope the family get closure.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

And as someone said before , He seemed 'shifty' .. there was something not quite right but AGAIN I wouldn't want to be hung on what some armchair behaviourist thinks and I have been strong in awful situations and wouldn't like to be judged on that ..... i'll wait for the facts to out.. if they ever do.

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By *irtydanMan
over a year ago

Blackpool

a friend of mine went missing 3 months ago in blackpool they think he walked into the sea there has been very little effort to find him

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"a friend of mine went missing 3 months ago in blackpool they think he walked into the sea there has been very little effort to find him "

This is what I don't understand. Why are the police throwing so many resources at one person? So many people go missing yet the same search efforts aren't put in to other cases. Seems strange to me.

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man
over a year ago

BRIDPORT

"a friend of mine went missing 3 months ago in blackpool they think he walked into the sea there has been very little effort to find him "

You should have posted the details on here, the experts would have solved the mystery before teatime.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"a friend of mine went missing 3 months ago in blackpool they think he walked into the sea there has been very little effort to find him

This is what I don't understand. Why are the police throwing so many resources at one person? So many people go missing yet the same search efforts aren't put in to other cases. Seems strange to me."

Does it depend on the circumstances? I have no idea but if they think an adult has deliberately disappeared and doesn't want to be found do they treat it with less importance?

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By *irtydanMan
over a year ago

Blackpool

"a friend of mine went missing 3 months ago in blackpool they think he walked into the sea there has been very little effort to find him

You should have posted the details on here, the experts would have solved the mystery before teatime. "
he is still missing police have closed the case

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

" She will have got into morecambe Bay. Then I'm afraid her body may never be found . The 20 odd cocklepickers who were lost in the bay years ago proves this . Many bodies never found"

There were 16 survivors and all 19 bodies were found by the next afternoon.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"a friend of mine went missing 3 months ago in blackpool they think he walked into the sea there has been very little effort to find him

This is what I don't understand. Why are the police throwing so many resources at one person? So many people go missing yet the same search efforts aren't put in to other cases. Seems strange to me."

Quiet news day ? Just because we hear about this one doesn't mean it's the only one that got police attention. Just media attention.

News station picks it up and then all the others report on it... Then social media .

It's no different from the 100's of others daily.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

" She will have got into morecambe Bay. Then I'm afraid her body may never be found . The 20 odd cocklepickers who were lost in the bay years ago proves this . Many bodies never found

There were 16 survivors and all 19 bodies were found by the next afternoon. "

Why spoil a good yarn with facts.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"Something is well wrong ,when there is simple know trace can only mean something is well wrong.

She fell into a swollen river and was dragged out to sea by a 9.1 metre tide. They'll find her on the sand flats between Shard Bridge and Knott End in the next few days."

As someone who knows the river Wyre very well I could agree with most of that.

However I was in the area up to the day before she disappeared and for the whole week before there was very little rainfall. Most days when I was there were dry and the only bit of rain was light drizzle. So it would have been very unlikely for the river to have been swollen. Besides the photo's taken very shortly afterwards show steep banks and the river very low and slow (hardly at all) moving.

If she did go into the river (and that is still an if) then to get to the Shard Bridge area she would have had to pass over the weir just downstream from St Michaels. While not impossible I find it hard to believe that could have happened without someone seeing something. But the police do now seem to be thinking about that possibility.

So if she fell into the river and if she went over the weir then the Shard Bridge area with its various creeks, Skippool and Wardleys among others, would certainly be worth a look.

There are a lot of if's but's and maybe's and the only thing we know for certain is it is one hell of a mystery. .

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By *ooliganMan
over a year ago

Preston

"There were 16 survivors and all 19 bodies were found by the next afternoon. "

They can't be sure but they *think* there might have been 2 more who weren't found the following day. Some remains were found a couple of years later and forensic tests suggest it was probably one of the group. But for 20 out of a possible 21 to turn up shows the probability.

In answer to another question, the Police aren't "throwing" resources at this any more than they would any MisPer in similar circumstances. Sadly, if there's a history of suicidal tendencies, they won't mount a seach on this scale, but if it's completely out of character and unexplained, then they will. There are around 50 officers working on this, including the NW Underwater Search & Marine Unit. It's the press that are making this case seem far more significant when compared to others, and that's simply because she's an attractive, slim, caucasian woman and there's a huge public hunger for information.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Something is well wrong ,when there is simple know trace can only mean something is well wrong.

She fell into a swollen river and was dragged out to sea by a 9.1 metre tide. They'll find her on the sand flats between Shard Bridge and Knott End in the next few days.

As someone who knows the river Wyre very well I could agree with most of that.

So if she fell into the river and if she went over the weir then the Shard Bridge area with its various creeks, Skippool and Wardleys among others, would certainly be worth a look.

There are a lot of if's but's and maybe's and the only thing we know for certain is it is one hell of a mystery. .

I checked the river depth that day and it was less than one metre... flow minimal .....

I know nothing but I found it hard to believe she wouldn't have been found if she had gone in at that spot... it doesn't get deeper until further down river where it's approx 7 metres and then later tidal....

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By *ellhungvweMan
over a year ago

Cheltenham

"a friend of mine went missing 3 months ago in blackpool they think he walked into the sea there has been very little effort to find him

This is what I don't understand. Why are the police throwing so many resources at one person? So many people go missing yet the same search efforts aren't put in to other cases. Seems strange to me."

I, for one, can’t work out the similarities of all the cases that have massive attention placed on them. I am sure the fact that they all involve pretty females has nothing to do with it…..

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"a friend of mine went missing 3 months ago in blackpool they think he walked into the sea there has been very little effort to find him

This is what I don't understand. Why are the police throwing so many resources at one person? So many people go missing yet the same search efforts aren't put in to other cases. Seems strange to me.

Does it depend on the circumstances? I have no idea but if they think an adult has deliberately disappeared and doesn't want to be found do they treat it with less importance?"

Think it depends partly on being pretty blonde female and photogenic... Then the media getting hold of it. Then like many news events.it gets a life of its own.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

"a friend of mine went missing 3 months ago in blackpool they think he walked into the sea there has been very little effort to find him

This is what I don't understand. Why are the police throwing so many resources at one person? So many people go missing yet the same search efforts aren't put in to other cases. Seems strange to me.

I, for one, can’t work out the similarities of all the cases that have massive attention placed on them. I am sure the fact that they all involve pretty females has nothing to do with it….."

As people have said above the press make it appear that more resources have been deployed in this case

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"There were 16 survivors and all 19 bodies were found by the next afternoon.

Agreed it's the press that reify situations...... I don't agree that it's because she's white, attractive and slim. You've nothing to support that.

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By *ooliganMan
over a year ago

Preston

"As someone who knows the river Wyre very well I could agree with most of that.

Water levels on the day were a foot higher than they have been in the days after. That's more than enough to carry someone over the weir - she was wearing a quilted coat which would have stayed fairly bouyant for a while before becoming waterlogged. The weir is only a hundred meters or so below where she disappeared. She was wearing black so even pedestrians on the bridge could easily have missed her.

The 27th was 2/3 days after the highest "spring" tide so tidal water would have reached the weir. Faulding went to great lengths to show how shallow the river is below the weir but he's completely ignoring the extra 2ft of water that washed in and then out that afternoon. Anyone familiar with a falling spring tide around Out Rawcliffe and Great Ecc knows how fast it sucks back out to sea.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I'm assuming that a man has abducted her and she probably won't be found alive

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"a friend of mine went missing 3 months ago in blackpool they think he walked into the sea there has been very little effort to find him

This is what I don't understand. Why are the police throwing so many resources at one person? So many people go missing yet the same search efforts aren't put in to other cases. Seems strange to me.

I, for one, can’t work out the similarities of all the cases that have massive attention placed on them. I am sure the fact that they all involve pretty females has nothing to do with it….."

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

Why did Madeleine McCann get so much resources and publicity ?

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By *ooliganMan
over a year ago

Preston

"it doesn't get deeper until further down river where it's approx 7 metres and then later tidal.... "

Sorry, but that is utter rubbish! People like you are the problem - you're spouting opinions like this as though they're gospel with no knowledge of the river! It's a 10ft drop from the path to the water and it's around 2-3ft deep at the side. It then drops to 4m deep within 10ft of the bank. I know because I've fished there hundreds of times! It looks still on TV because it's so deep at that point, but in reality it's pulling through at 5 knots under the surface.

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By *ooliganMan
over a year ago

Preston

The weir, 100m below the bench was built specifically to stop the tide progressing further up stream. A high spring tide pushes right up to the weir, the tide at 2pm on that Friday afternoon was 9.13m, the absolute highest is around 9.6m.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I watched the programme in channel 5 last night and saw the presenter interviewing the partner. I know they say the police have roles him out but I'm not so sure. He doesn't look distraught or even tired through lack of sleep for that matter. I was looking at his body language and he was rubbing his nose a lot, which is a clear sign of deceit and rubbing his hand along his leg, which is something people do to settle their nerves. Something about him just doesn't sit right with me but I hope I'm wrong x

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By *ellhungvweMan
over a year ago

Cheltenham

Agreed it's the press that reify situations...... I don't agree that it's because she's white, attractive and slim. You've nothing to support that. "

Madeline McCann, Milly Dowler, Sarah Everard, Nicola Bulley. I am sure we can all add more attractive females to that list.

I would challenge anyone to name a fat, ugly male who got the same attention.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I watched the programme in channel 5 last night and saw the presenter interviewing the partner. I know they say the police have roles him out but I'm not so sure. He doesn't look distraught or even tired through lack of sleep for that matter. I was looking at his body language and he was rubbing his nose a lot, which is a clear sign of deceit and rubbing his hand along his leg, which is something people do to settle their nerves. Something about him just doesn't sit right with me but I hope I'm wrong x"

Ruled!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Agreed it's the press that reify situations...... I don't agree that it's because she's white, attractive and slim. You've nothing to support that.

Madeline McCann, Milly Dowler, Sarah Everard, Nicola Bulley. I am sure we can all add more attractive females to that list.

I would challenge anyone to name a fat, ugly male who got the same attention."

Keith Bennett is still in the news

It must be 60 years since he was lost

Also, whilst I'm sure it wasn't your intent mentioning two kids and using 'attractive females' in the same sentence is a bit off kilter

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By *ondonFunTimesMan
over a year ago

west sussex

I’m not commenting on the case, and the speculation as that is a tragedy for the family and her children. The hell they must ge going through.

The reason the police are throwing resources at this is simply the media, because of the ‘true crime’ vibe of the case - the phone, the teams call, the dog it makes a story that they can sell papers with. It is the drama of news that meets a public fascination with ‘ true crime’ as entertainment. We used to rubberneck or attend executions we now do it in front of Netflix or Sky Crime. That in turn puts huge pressure on the police. Then something new has happened here, the spectacle of ‘crime enthusiasts’ going to help or gawk or in one or two cases having selfies taken on the bench. So it’s a perfect storm of difficult case-media-social media- and of course she is a middle class mortgage advisor, white and that plays well with the daily mail and papers who like to stir up their readers.

If you look at the case of Wembley Woman who is still unidentified you can see the disparity.

None of this is a judgement it’s just for good or ill where society is at. None of us here have facts, or even enough assumed information to reach a conclusion. The best we can do is hope and send thoughts to the family and friends of the Nicola to hope that the case finds a resolution when so many families of missing people never find that closure.

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By *ellhungvweMan
over a year ago

Cheltenham

Agreed it's the press that reify situations...... I don't agree that it's because she's white, attractive and slim. You've nothing to support that.

Madeline McCann, Milly Dowler, Sarah Everard, Nicola Bulley. I am sure we can all add more attractive females to that list.

I would challenge anyone to name a fat, ugly male who got the same attention.

Keith Bennett is still in the news

It must be 60 years since he was lost

Also, whilst I'm sure it wasn't your intent mentioning two kids and using 'attractive females' in the same sentence is a bit off kilter"

It wasn't my intent at all but you understand the point I was making.

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

I don't agree that it's because she's white, attractive and slim. You've nothing to support that.

Madeline McCann, Milly Dowler, Sarah Everard, Nicola Bulley. I am sure we can all add more attractive females to that list.

Nicole Smallman and Bibaa Henry (two black sisters) were murdered in a park. Although reported missing the Police didn't search and a family member found the bodies

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By *ooliganMan
over a year ago

Preston

CCTV, mobile phone telemetry and internet access data prove that he was at home throughout. It's really not an arguable point.

As for nose touching, where the hell did you get that from, Enid Blyton??

An interviewee will generally 'mirror' their interlocutor, a good journalist uses empathetic facial gestures to build raport - that's why people in Paul's situation will often appear calm or even smiling. It's really not what Police are looking at.

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By *ischiefManaged69Couple
over a year ago

Preston

"Hmm a couple of police in this forum

To everyone here who's throwing the police under the bus, are you any of the following:

A qualified forensic examiner.

A qualified, practising investigator.

A current or ex police Investigator.

If not, then you probably don't have any of the requisite skills to make these assertions.

The police aren't perfect, they have their fair share of idiots, bad apples and incompetent staff, I've met several. Mostly they are overworked and under resourced and have to put up with an almost unparalleled level of abuse from armchair who know how to do their jobs better than them.

If you think you can do better, go and join up, they're always recruiting!

I hope the family are getting all the support they need and that they're prepared for the outcome when it becomes clear, whatever that is.

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By *sBlueWoman
over a year ago

Up North

"Hmm a couple of police in this forum

To everyone here who's throwing the police under the bus, are you any of the following:

A qualified forensic examiner.

A qualified, practising investigator.

A current or ex police Investigator.

If not, then you probably don't have any of the requisite skills to make these assertions.

If you think you can do better, go and join up, they're always recruiting!

I hope the family are getting all the support they need and that they're prepared for the outcome when it becomes clear, whatever that is."

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

No I don't think so ! The dog would have gone in after her x

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By *ooliganMan
over a year ago

Preston

"No I don't think so ! The dog would have gone in after her x"

No it wouldn't. A person might but suggesting a dog would is ridiculous. A dog who wasn't allowed to swim without permission would not jump in. You've been watching too many Lassie reruns

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Agreed it's the press that reify situations...... I don't agree that it's because she's white, attractive and slim. You've nothing to support that.

Madeline McCann, Milly Dowler, Sarah Everard, Nicola Bulley. I am sure we can all add more attractive females to that list.

I would challenge anyone to name a fat, ugly male who got the same attention.

Keith Bennett is still in the news

It must be 60 years since he was lost

Also, whilst I'm sure it wasn't your intent mentioning two kids and using 'attractive females' in the same sentence is a bit off kilter

It wasn't my intent at all but you understand the point I was making. "

It's why numerous serial killers remained undetected whilst killing pr0stitutes and those on the margins of society but when they by chance kill an attractive white working or even better middle class female the hunt for them and media interests ramp up significantly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No I don't think so ! The dog would have gone in after her x

No it wouldn't. A person might but suggesting a dog would is ridiculous. A dog who wasn't allowed to swim without permission would not jump in. You've been watching too many Lassie reruns

I don't agree with that! It's hardly normal circumstances for the dog.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't agree that it's because she's white, attractive and slim. You've nothing to support that.

Madeline McCann, Milly Dowler, Sarah Everard, Nicola Bulley. I am sure we can all add more attractive females to that list.

Nicole Smallman and Bibaa Henry (two black sisters) were murdered in a park. Although reported missing the Police didn't search and a family member found the bodies"

Exactly Sally the family begged for help it was totally out of character for the sisters to be missing.

For the family members and community to have to organise thier own search and ultimately find thier bodies was a total travesty and incomprehensible to most decent people.

For anyone thinking this happened a long time ago and we have moved it was in 2020.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

Agreed it's the press that reify situations...... I don't agree that it's because she's white, attractive and slim. You've nothing to support that.

Madeline McCann, Milly Dowler, Sarah Everard, Nicola Bulley. I am sure we can all add more attractive females to that list.

I would challenge anyone to name a fat, ugly male who got the same attention.

Keith Bennett is still in the news

It must be 60 years since he was lost

Also, whilst I'm sure it wasn't your intent mentioning two kids and using 'attractive females' in the same sentence is a bit off kilter"

With the greatest of respect to Keith Bennett and his friends and family. I haven't heard nor seen anything about him. Whereas you couldn't move for seeing news, focus, papers, posters of the names already mentioned. The bias is clear. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

Agreed it's the press that reify situations...... I don't agree that it's because she's white, attractive and slim. You've nothing to support that.

Madeline McCann, Milly Dowler, Sarah Everard, Nicola Bulley. I am sure we can all add more attractive females to that list.

I would challenge anyone to name a fat, ugly male who got the same attention.

Keith Bennett is still in the news

It must be 60 years since he was lost

Also, whilst I'm sure it wasn't your intent mentioning two kids and using 'attractive females' in the same sentence is a bit off kilter

Keith Bennett does appear in the local media up here quite frequently, but this is the area where he was abducted from and where the crimes happened. I wouldn't expect that to be national news.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do anyone else think she didn't go in the river ?"

It's so spooky.

On my phone homepage it says that exactly 45 years ago that a boy of 16 went missing in exact same place. I dont know what truth is in that but how strange

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By *ellhungvweMan
over a year ago

Cheltenham

Agreed it's the press that reify situations...... I don't agree that it's because she's white, attractive and slim. You've nothing to support that.

Madeline McCann, Milly Dowler, Sarah Everard, Nicola Bulley. I am sure we can all add more attractive females to that list.

I would challenge anyone to name a fat, ugly male who got the same attention.

Keith Bennett is still in the news

It must be 60 years since he was lost

Also, whilst I'm sure it wasn't your intent mentioning two kids and using 'attractive females' in the same sentence is a bit off kilter

Keith Bennett does appear in the local media up here quite frequently, but this is the area where he was abducted from and where the crimes happened. I wouldn't expect that to be national news."

A lot of the attention on Keith Bennet is also driven by the fact it involves Myra Hindley.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"As someone who knows the river Wyre very well I could agree with most of that.

I think we agree on most of it, and yes, as someone who has scrambled over the bow of a nosed in charter boat on ferry beach, I know very well how fast the Wyre can be.

The only thing I question is if/how she would have gone over the weir without being spotted. To go over it she would have had to have been on the surface, and while there may be faster under currents, the surface was very slow moving on that day. Dark clothing? Yes that is possible, someone may have seen her and just thought it was some kind of debris and ignored it. But if so I would have thought they would have come forward by now.

Assuming for a moment that she did go over the weir then that does open up a whole new (and very large) search area.

Out to sea? Maybe, the current in the tidal reaches of the river would have certainly been strong enough then. But with the backward and forward flow my guess would be that she has possibly got snagged in one of the creeks.

As an aside. Almost exactly 40 years ago I was one of the volunteers who helped in the search for the 3 police who had disappeared into the sea along with the dog owner they were trying to rescue. (Jan 1983)

Two of those bodies were never found and one turned up 3 weeks later in Fleetwood dock, a long way from Gynn Square where thay entered the water.

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

"The Police have been fantastic. The press have whipped up a frenzy around the story because she was a slim, pretty blonde lady and there's a hunger to find out what happened to her.

...........................

Well said coolingan, the 'recovery expert' became a distraction, saying things the family and public wanted to hear.

He should have confined his observations to the professional investigators who are in possession of all the facts to date and not pontificate his theories to a wider audience for self publicity.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"No I don't think so ! The dog would have gone in after her x

No it wouldn't. A person might but suggesting a dog would is ridiculous. A dog who wasn't allowed to swim without permission would not jump in. You've been watching too many Lassie reruns

Um nope! My dogs would go wherever I went fact! Not watched lassie for yonks!!

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"Do anyone else think she didn't go in the river ?

It's so spooky.

On my phone homepage it says that exactly 45 years ago that a boy of 16 went missing in exact same place. I dont know what truth is in that but how strange"

That is spooky! X

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"No I don't think so ! The dog would have gone in after her x

No it wouldn't. A person might but suggesting a dog would is ridiculous. A dog who wasn't allowed to swim without permission would not jump in. You've been watching too many Lassie reruns

Um nope! My dogs would go wherever I went fact! Not watched lassie for yonks!!"

Is it reasonable to think all dogs don't do the same things?

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"Do anyone else think she didn't go in the river ?

It's so spooky.

On my phone homepage it says that exactly 45 years ago that a boy of 16 went missing in exact same place. I dont know what truth is in that but how strange

That is spooky! X"

Not that spooky.

It was a motorbike accident and the missing 16 year old was a pillion passenger.

The bike crashed in bad weather while crossing a bridge over a swollen brook that runs into the river Wyre. Quite a distance from St Michaels.

The bike rider was out cold (for some reason FAB won't let me use the word uncon.....) and no-one realised that he had a pillion passenger until it was too late. He'd been thrown into the brook and got washed into the Wyre.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do anyone else think she didn't go in the river ?

It's so spooky.

On my phone homepage it says that exactly 45 years ago that a boy of 16 went missing in exact same place. I dont know what truth is in that but how strange

That is spooky! X"

Not really. It was 45yrs ago, in January. And the 16yr old went into the river nearby following a Traffic Accident.

His body was eventually recovered 7miles away on a Sandbank

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By *ooliganMan
over a year ago

Preston

"Um nope! My dogs would go wherever I went fact! Not watched lassie for yonks!!"

A dog that gets a bollocking for jumping in the river (she didn't want it wet as she usually drove there) would NOT go in the water unless its owner let it know it had permission.

My bro's dog (gundog of the same breed) will 'stay' indefinitely until its told to move. People like to anthropomorphise dogs' behaviour, the Police consult professional animal behaviour experts, not facebook Karens and wannabe sleuths.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do anyone else think she didn't go in the river ?

It's so spooky.

On my phone homepage it says that exactly 45 years ago that a boy of 16 went missing in exact same place. I dont know what truth is in that but how strange

That is spooky! X

Not that spooky.

It was a motorbike accident and the missing 16 year old was a pillion passenger.

The bike crashed in bad weather while crossing a bridge over a swollen brook that runs into the river Wyre. Quite a distance from St Michaels.

You beat me to it...

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By *ooliganMan
over a year ago

Preston

"Not really. It was 45yrs ago, in January. And the 16yr old went into the river nearby following a Traffic Accident.

His body was eventually recovered 7miles away on a Sandbank "

He went into Mill House Brook at Hollowforth after crashing into the bridge. He was washed around 6 miles into the River Brock and then into the Wyre yards above where Nicola disappeared. He then travelled a further 7 miles and was found 2 weeks later at Shard Bridge.

The 2 weeks is very relevant - that's roughly how long a body will remain underwater before coming bouyant and washing ashore.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"No I don't think so ! The dog would have gone in after her x

No it wouldn't. A person might but suggesting a dog would is ridiculous. A dog who wasn't allowed to swim without permission would not jump in. You've been watching too many Lassie reruns

Um nope! My dogs would go wherever I went fact! Not watched lassie for yonks!!

Is it reasonable to think all dogs don't do the same things? "

Of course! But most would or at least be signaling that she went in the water! But this one wasent was signalling at the gate! X

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"Um nope! My dogs would go wherever I went fact! Not watched lassie for yonks!!

A dog that gets a bollocking for jumping in the river (she didn't want it wet as she usually drove there) would NOT go in the water unless its owner let it know it had permission.

Ohh please!!!

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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay

Around 20years ago a large German Shepherd we owned jumped into what at first appeared to be a slow moving river.

He never surfaced and despite our best efforts he was lost in seven or eight feet of dark water and reeds.

Two weeks later he surfaced some 18 miles down river in an estuary.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"Um nope! My dogs would go wherever I went fact! Not watched lassie for yonks!!

A dog that gets a bollocking for jumping in the river (she didn't want it wet as she usually drove there) would NOT go in the water unless its owner let it know it had permission.

And that's my sister Karen! She don't have a dog or even a clue of dogs behaviour!

And this would have been exceptional circumstances! So yes it probably would!!

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Um nope! My dogs would go wherever I went fact! Not watched lassie for yonks!!

A dog that gets a bollocking for jumping in the river (she didn't want it wet as she usually drove there) would NOT go in the water unless its owner let it know it had permission.

What happens if one (or more) of the experts is on Facebook.?

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

"No I don't think so ! The dog would have gone in after her x

No it wouldn't. A person might but suggesting a dog would is ridiculous. A dog who wasn't allowed to swim without permission would not jump in. You've been watching too many Lassie reruns

Um nope! My dogs would go wherever I went fact! Not watched lassie for yonks!!

Is it reasonable to think all dogs don't do the same things?

Of course! But most would or at least be signaling that she went in the water! But this one wasent was signalling at the gate! X"

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Should the police base their investigation on the expected behaviour of dogs?

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"No I don't think so ! The dog would have gone in after her x

No it wouldn't. A person might but suggesting a dog would is ridiculous. A dog who wasn't allowed to swim without permission would not jump in. You've been watching too many Lassie reruns

Um nope! My dogs would go wherever I went fact! Not watched lassie for yonks!!

Is it reasonable to think all dogs don't do the same things?

Of course! But most would or at least be signaling that she went in the water! But this one wasent was signalling at the gate! X

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Should the police base their investigation on the expected behaviour of dogs?"

Woof

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do anyone else think she didn't go in the river ?

It's so spooky.

On my phone homepage it says that exactly 45 years ago that a boy of 16 went missing in exact same place. I dont know what truth is in that but how strange

That is spooky! X

Not that spooky.

It was a motorbike accident and the missing 16 year old was a pillion passenger.

The bike crashed in bad weather while crossing a bridge over a swollen brook that runs into the river Wyre. Quite a distance from St Michaels.

Roger Jones it was on the 27th so the same date

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"Um nope! My dogs would go wherever I went fact! Not watched lassie for yonks!!

A dog that gets a bollocking for jumping in the river (she didn't want it wet as she usually drove there) would NOT go in the water unless its owner let it know it had permission.

And FYI! My spaniel would not be still sat there he does his own thing! Not all spaniels are the same pmsl!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do anyone else think she didn't go in the river ?

It's so spooky.

On my phone homepage it says that exactly 45 years ago that a boy of 16 went missing in exact same place. I dont know what truth is in that but how strange

That is spooky! X

Not that spooky.

It was a motorbike accident and the missing 16 year old was a pillion passenger.

The bike crashed in bad weather while crossing a bridge over a swollen brook that runs into the river Wyre. Quite a distance from St Michaels.

Roger Jones it was on the 27th so the same date"

I think when a person is there then suddenly there not and no where to be seen is pretty spooky to me!

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By *ooliganMan
over a year ago

Preston

"So yes it probably would!!"

It wouldn't! You're anthropomorphising again. Dogs have no idea about the dangers of water and they don't understand that humans tend to avoid getting in in January!. If she'd been knocked out or drowned straight away (cold water shock will do that), the dog would have just been confused. If she'd disappeared out of sight and it couldn't follow on the bank, it would have just got more and more anxious. This is consistent with how it was found.

If she had been abducted, there would most likely have been a struggle and the dog *might* have attacked her attacker, or certainly followed them.

The fact that the dog was where it was, unfortunately points pretty conclusively to her falling in the river.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"it doesn't get deeper until further down river where it's approx 7 metres and then later tidal....

Try to respond to people with politeness and knowledge.

I got my information from up to date data... Up to date that day.

I am not part of any problem. The fact that you need to insult and demonise others doesn't make your information any more valid than mine. If you are sure of what you say don't act in such a frightened manner.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So yes it probably would!!

If she had been abducted, there would most likely have been a struggle and the dog *might* have attacked her attacker, or certainly followed them.

The fact that the dog was where it was, unfortunately points pretty conclusively to her falling in the river."

Completely ignoring a simple fact.The dog was tied up.Reportedly with string which suggests someone else tied it up

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By *ooliganMan
over a year ago

Preston

"Completely ignoring a simple fact.The dog was tied up.Reportedly with string which suggests someone else tied it up"

Not ignoring anything, I'm referring to the account given by the lady that found the dog, tied it up and raised the alarm

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over a year ago

"Completely ignoring a simple fact.The dog was tied up.Reportedly with string which suggests someone else tied it up

Not ignoring anything, I'm referring to the account given by the lady that found the dog, tied it up and raised the alarm

She found it tied up. Plus she didn't raise the alarm for more than a hour.

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By *ooliganMan
over a year ago

Preston

"I got my information from up to date data... Up to date that day.

You said it's shallow and doesn't get deep until further down stream. You haven't got the faintest clue what you're talking about but you seem to think you have a more valid understanding than someone who has spent years wading, fishing, exploring and walking that river. You are EXACTLY the problem! People like you think you can judge the Police response and you think you know better when you haven't even seen that river! Honestly, you're the kind of person the Police are referring to when they ask people not to spread spurious conjecture.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe the police should ask the fab detectives for assistance,some maybe in the virus forum posing as epidemiologists

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I got my information from up to date data... Up to date that day.

Wow.You really are Mr Angry.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"I got my information from up to date data... Up to date that day.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

I haven't mentioned the police.

I shared some facts not opinions.

I have more than a clue I have up to date river facts for the day and time she was walking the dog.

I never once said that my input had more value than yours.

Sweetheart..... all the fishing trips in the world doesn't make you right, bless you.

It might help if you stopped saying things about me as if you have any knowledge of me at all.

Try to listen to others without going bat shit crazy.

You've tried to own the river because you've been fishing. You've tried to own dog behaviour because your relative had one..... Just try to share.

Or better still. Don't respond to anything I say.

Unless it's show everyone precisely where I said anything about the police or your contributions.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Completely ignoring a simple fact.The dog was tied up.Reportedly with string which suggests someone else tied it up

Not ignoring anything, I'm referring to the account given by the lady that found the dog, tied it up and raised the alarm

She found it tied up. Plus she didn't raise the alarm for more than a hour."

I heard the woman who found the dog attached the string to it. Maybe she didn't know how to put the harness on it.

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By *nightsoftheCoffeeTableCouple
over a year ago

Leeds

"Completely ignoring a simple fact.The dog was tied up.Reportedly with string which suggests someone else tied it up

Not ignoring anything, I'm referring to the account given by the lady that found the dog, tied it up and raised the alarm

She found it tied up. Plus she didn't raise the alarm for more than a hour.

I heard the woman who found the dog attached the string to it. Maybe she didn't know how to put the harness on it."

Yes this is the account that the police gave, but who carries string? The leed was also on the floor, idk it all seems odd.

Mrs

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Completely ignoring a simple fact.The dog was tied up.Reportedly with string which suggests someone else tied it up

Not ignoring anything, I'm referring to the account given by the lady that found the dog, tied it up and raised the alarm

She found it tied up. Plus she didn't raise the alarm for more than a hour.

I heard the woman who found the dog attached the string to it. Maybe she didn't know how to put the harness on it.

Yes this is the account that the police gave, but who carries string? The leed was also on the floor, idk it all seems odd.

Mrs "

Apparently, they take the harness off when the dog is in the field so that it can run free.

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By *ooliganMan
over a year ago

Preston

"Sweetheart..... all the fishing trips in the world doesn't make you right...

Cut the patronising crap, you actually typed the following: " it doesn't get deeper until further down river where it's approx 7 metres and then later tidal."

That is utter nonsense, and it's people posting drivel like that that are stoking up conspiracies. Maybe pipe down and stick to talking things you have a clue about.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Maybe the police should ask the fab detectives for assistance,some maybe in the virus forum posing as epidemiologists

Oh god could you imagine! It would turn into one big bunfight of who has the most knowledge....I choose the one spouting shit quoted from Facebook armed with a Daily Fail.

Why listen to those with expertise in their field hey

Meanwhile a woman is missing, a family is I'm turmoil and two little Girls are heartbroken not knowing where their Mummy is

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sweetheart..... all the fishing trips in the world doesn't make you right...

Cut the patronising crap, you actually typed the following: " it doesn't get deeper until further down river where it's approx 7 metres and then later tidal."

That is utter nonsense, and it's people posting drivel like that that are stoking up conspiracies. Maybe pipe down and stick to talking things you have a clue about."

I read your post on the other NB thread, interesting to read something from someone with actual knowledge of the area....Might be worth posting it here for those who missed it.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"Sweetheart..... all the fishing trips in the world doesn't make you right...

Cut the patronising crap, you actually typed the following: " it doesn't get deeper until further down river where it's approx 7 metres and then later tidal."

That is utter nonsense, and it's people posting drivel like that that are stoking up conspiracies. Maybe pipe down and stick to talking things you have a clue about."

Think u the one that needs to pipe down tbh! U come across very aggressive!!

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By *ooliganMan
over a year ago

Preston

"I read your post on the other NB thread, interesting to read something from someone with actual knowledge of the area....Might be worth posting it here for those who missed it. "

Thank you, probably wouldn't help - the online Karens who've never visited St Michaels will always think they know better

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By *ooliganMan
over a year ago

Preston

At Miss Shady's suggestion, my original post on another thread:

I've been avoiding these discussions on social media due to living in the same area, but I guess this is a fairly safe space so I'd like to correct some of the common assumptions.

The self-proclaimed "expert" who came up from Dorking and tried to take over the Police operation has done nothing apart from undermine the Police, give false hope to the family and fuel the thousands of online conspiracy theorists. All he was interested in is self publicity.

He said it's "impossible" for her to have been swept away by the river. This is categorically wrong (it's happened before). It's a rainwater-fed spate river - I've seen it rise and fall by a couple of feet within an hour or 2. It can rise by 2ft on a dry day if it's raining on the fells. It had been raining fairly persistently for most of the month before she disappeared.

He only saw it in dry weather when the levels were low.

He's also ignored the fact that it happened 3 days after the spring tide. The tide that afternoon was 9.13m, the perfect conditions for taking a body out into the estuary/bay area.

The final detail is something I'm reluctant to share. The search has only just intensified on the coast in the last day or so because a body will stay submerged for a couple of weeks in cold water. It's only when decomposition makes a body bouyant that it will be washed ashore. Whilst submerged, it would be impossible to find.

I'm sorry to say that based on my knowledge of the area and the river, I'm 100% sure she went in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Luckily, even though some may be river experts, they're not police investigators.

Investigations look at all possibilities....

I'd be wary of someone pushing a theory that hard they're blind to anything else.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I read your post on the other NB thread, interesting to read something from someone with actual knowledge of the area....Might be worth posting it here for those who missed it.

Thank you, probably wouldn't help - the online Karens who've never visited St Michaels will always think they know better

Of course, everyone listens but nobody is hearing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"At Miss Shady's suggestion, my original post on another thread:

I've been avoiding these discussions on social media due to living in the same area, but I guess this is a fairly safe space so I'd like to correct some of the common assumptions.

He only saw it in dry weather when the levels were low.

He's also ignored the fact that it happened 3 days after the spring tide. The tide that afternoon was 9.13m, the perfect conditions for taking a body out into the estuary/bay area.

I'm sorry to say that based on my knowledge of the area and the river, I'm 100% sure she went in."

One of the most sensible level headed posts I've read on the subject

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is though, still a theory, that she fell in.

Nobody knows whether she did or didn't fall in. Whether they're river experts or not...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So yes it probably would!!

If she had been abducted, there would most likely have been a struggle and the dog *might* have attacked her attacker, or certainly followed them.

The fact that the dog was where it was, unfortunately points pretty conclusively to her falling in the river."

Wow 'anthropomorphising' big word, I'm out

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By *ooliganMan
over a year ago

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over a year ago

"Nobody knows whether she did or didn't fall in. Whether they're river experts or not...

I think if you know the area well, you can see how implausible it would be to abduct someone.

And if you doubt that, look at how many posts there are on social media about the "abandoned house".

For starters, it's not abandoned, and secondly, it's a good mile walk down a busy main road, past a school to get to it! Yes, it might be 50m away from the bench, but it's impossible to get to. Even if you had a boat, you'd struggle to get up the bank.

It would also be as near to impossible as you could ever get to reach Allotment Lane, the Grapes car park or the lodge park with someone who you were taking against their will. So yes, it's rather frustrating hearing theories from people who haven't been there. You really can't possibly have a valid opinion if you've not."

Why is this getting to you so much?

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By *ooliganMan
over a year ago

Preston

"Nobody knows whether she did or didn't fall in. Whether they're river experts or not..."

I think if you know the area well, you can see how implausible it would be to abduct someone. Theories from people without local knowledge are the biggest problem.

And if you doubt that, look at how many posts there are on social media about the "abandoned house".

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By *ooliganMan
over a year ago

Preston

"Why is this getting to you so much?"

Because people in the community I grew up in are being scrutinised, vilified and hurt by people that don't know what they're talking about.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

"Personally I think it's crass and distasteful posting speculation about this poor ladies disappearance, whilst her family are probably in a world of hell people are pointing fingers at the police.

I'm pretty sickened by this gossip it's really not nice.

I pray that they find her one way or another soon to give her family some closure and if it's a worse case she can rest in peace.

But until then there's always hope.

Peace and love "

Bump

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Hmm a couple of police in this forum

So what if there is. It’s obvious your not one of them "

So what? Nothing. I just acknowledged it. I think it's silly to block someone for that though.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Hmm a couple of police in this forum

To everyone here who's throwing the police under the bus, are you any of the following:

A qualified forensic examiner.

A qualified, practising investigator.

A current or ex police Investigator.

If not, then you probably don't have any of the requisite skills to make these assertions.

If you think you can do better, go and join up, they're always recruiting!

I hope the family are getting all the support they need and that they're prepared for the outcome when it becomes clear, whatever that is."

I totaly agree with these points. There's no need for the lecture though. I know there is good and bad in all walks.

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By *ryan...Man
over a year ago

1950's Original

"Luckily, even though some may be river experts, they're not police investigators.

Investigations look at all possibilities....

I'd be wary of someone pushing a theory that hard they're blind to anything else. "

Yorkshire ripper hoax tapes..police investigations didn't look at all possibilities..which cost more lives.

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By *ryan...Man
over a year ago

1950's Original

"How does someone just fall into a river? Genuine question because I walk along a river bank often and can't understand how you fall in...the land beside river looked flat too.

She was walking her dog wasn't she? Did the dog get found? Maybe she followed her dog in if it was in trouble.

I can see falling in if you're d*unk, but sober?

The dog was found near by completely dry so had never been in the river.

Most missing people get very little police resource or investigation, sadly Thousands just disappear each year.

I hope the family manage to get some answers.

KJ"

Just on your top point kj..how long does a dog take to get dry if been in a river..they shake water off....was it tested for water borne bugs...in its hair .

If it is correct she was on a work conference call, the logical reason re: river would be to go in after a dog.just a thought nothing more.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

When I first heard about this I thought she may of walked to the edge of the river to get a ball for her dog and the bank had collapsed.

But with all the searching surley she would of turned up by now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"When I first heard about this I thought she may of walked to the edge of the river to get a ball for her dog and the bank had collapsed.

But with all the searching surley she would of turned up by now. "

Just goes to show,that speculation is a pretty useless skill.

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