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" It's all about context but! When listening yo someone's problems which they've entrusted with you by sharing, it's a major no no,to say it could be worse. I suppose it made them feel invalid. All you can do is apologise and explain I guess? " I agree with this. I probably would step back if someone said that to me. | |||
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"There are times you need advice or opinions, there are times you just need to vent to a willing ear, there are times of just screaming into the void. Personally, I have never once encountered a situation where 'oh well it could be worse' has been a remotely helpful contribution. If you've already apologised and they're not responding, leave then alone. If they chill out and come back to you you can work it out then." Just this Don’t go chasing | |||
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"So I’ve been chatting to someone here a couple of months - literally back and forth every day without fail. Have met them several times including staying over. I’ve now said something that wasn’t outrageous but the person has taken massive offense to (about money and how there are people in worse situations) and have now been given the silent treatment despite apologising multiple times. Is this someone being over sensitive - would you cut someone off if they said something well meaning even though you took it badly. It seems such a shame but I guess that’s life - I can’t not offer an opinion / POV on things worrying about it all the time. " Well personally OP if it was me I'd be upset but I'd have accepted your apology, you obviously know each other pretty well and we all make mistakes | |||
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" It's all about context but! When listening yo someone's problems which they've entrusted with you by sharing, it's a major no no,to say it could be worse. I suppose it made them feel invalid. All you can do is apologise and explain I guess? " The context is key, especially for us to understand your situation. I agree with Confidant. It is very likely your response, intentionally or not, was lacking empathy. It is possible to be practical and honest while still showing empathy and compassion for them and their situation. This will cause your friend to maybe not offended but definitely unsupported as a friend for sure. | |||
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"So I’ve been chatting to someone here a couple of months - literally back and forth every day without fail. Have met them several times including staying over. I’ve now said something that wasn’t outrageous but the person has taken massive offense to (about money and how there are people in worse situations) and have now been given the silent treatment despite apologising multiple times. Is this someone being over sensitive - would you cut someone off if they said something well meaning even though you took it badly. It seems such a shame but I guess that’s life - I can’t not offer an opinion / POV on things worrying about it all the time. " Their values aren't your values. I always think it's a shame when people fall out. We have more in common than keeps us apart. If you've apologised. That's all you can do. Put yourself in their shoes and see what it looks like? End of the day they've either cut you off or are punishing you and will return at some point. Perhaps you weren't as close mates as you assumed? With what you know now. Would you do anything differently if you could go back and have another go.? Sorry its not gone to plan for you. But try and learn and move on. | |||
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"Dear FEWT, I sincerely hope things will remedying themselves - let the passage of time take its course. Clearly you've already apologised. It sounds like there was magic happening between you two. So let's hope things reconvene. " Well said Nero | |||
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"So I’ve been chatting to someone here a couple of months - literally back and forth every day without fail. Have met them several times including staying over. I’ve now said something that wasn’t outrageous but the person has taken massive offense to (about money and how there are people in worse situations) and have now been given the silent treatment despite apologising multiple times. Is this someone being over sensitive - would you cut someone off if they said something well meaning even though you took it badly. It seems such a shame but I guess that’s life - I can’t not offer an opinion / POV on things worrying about it all the time. " Only talking from my own experience, but (especially lately) people are a mental and emotional Jenga. You inadvertently pull one piece and they fall down. No amount of apologies will rectify it, leave them space to pull themselves back together. If they want to reconnect they will. | |||
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"Ah well, I guess other people have it worse! " You could also use the line "worse things happen at sea", or alternatively "think of all the starving children in Africa" - both of those I am sure will go down well, smooth things over, and she will have you back in an instant. | |||
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"If someone said to me there are people worse of than me when I'm sharing a problem with someone on here then I'd just block them without a second thought" It's something a lot of people say, but it's insensitive. She possibly just needed an ear to share her problems with and was given a dismissive reply by someone she probably saw as a friend she could open up to. | |||
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"Thank you for all your (very good and helpful advice). To give some context, this wasn’t a one off shut down of non-empathy on my part, we’d been messaging on the topic all day with me trying to help and make constructive suggestions. My final message was to try and suggest to look at the bigger picture and imagine a worse scenario - this was very much sincere as I thought it would help frame the problem in a wider context. In hindsight this was obviously the wrong thing to do, albeit from the right place. " Did she ask for your help and constructive suggestions, or did you just offer them anyway? Women like to talk over problems without being given a solution necessarily. | |||
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"Thank you for all your (very good and helpful advice). To give some context, this wasn’t a one off shut down of non-empathy on my part, we’d been messaging on the topic all day with me trying to help and make constructive suggestions. My final message was to try and suggest to look at the bigger picture and imagine a worse scenario - this was very much sincere as I thought it would help frame the problem in a wider context. In hindsight this was obviously the wrong thing to do, albeit from the right place. " It's something a lot of people do. We don't know her actual reason for cutting contact, so we can't really empathise. | |||
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"Thank you for all your (very good and helpful advice). To give some context, this wasn’t a one off shut down of non-empathy on my part, we’d been messaging on the topic all day with me trying to help and make constructive suggestions. My final message was to try and suggest to look at the bigger picture and imagine a worse scenario - this was very much sincere as I thought it would help frame the problem in a wider context. In hindsight this was obviously the wrong thing to do, albeit from the right place. " This in itself is telling..assuming it was a female.. mostly we just wish to share the issue and chat in a general way. We are not necessarily looking for a solution and the more solutions you offered could just have tipped their capacity to engage I suspect at some point in the conversation the cues were there, you just didn't spot them or pay enough attention to know when to say 'whatever you decide to do, i hope it goes well' | |||
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"If someone said to me there are people worse of than me when I'm sharing a problem with someone on here then I'd just block them without a second thought It's something a lot of people say, but it's insensitive. She possibly just needed an ear to share her problems with and was given a dismissive reply by someone she probably saw as a friend she could open up to. " Men are from Mars etc... I have a friend who was going through a nasty divorce. She would seek wise counsel from me and I was pleased to help. One time she was moaning about the other half and most of it was emotional and inaccurate. I was trying to politely point out how irrational she was being. After a while she exploded "for fucks sake stop it... I just want to talk to you not hear how impractical I'm being"... Exactly as has been said above. A very useful Learning for me and thankfully still friends. But that was face to face and not over text or phone. Which I think makes a massive difference. | |||
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"Thank you for all your (very good and helpful advice). To give some context, this wasn’t a one off shut down of non-empathy on my part, we’d been messaging on the topic all day with me trying to help and make constructive suggestions. My final message was to try and suggest to look at the bigger picture and imagine a worse scenario - this was very much sincere as I thought it would help frame the problem in a wider context. In hindsight this was obviously the wrong thing to do, albeit from the right place. This in itself is telling..assuming it was a female.. mostly we just wish to share the issue and chat in a general way. We are not necessarily looking for a solution and the more solutions you offered could just have tipped their capacity to engage I suspect at some point in the conversation the cues were there, you just didn't spot them or pay enough attention to know when to say 'whatever you decide to do, i hope it goes well' " I get this. If I’m having a bad day then generally I don’t want advice, I just want someone to listen. | |||
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"Thank you for all your (very good and helpful advice). To give some context, this wasn’t a one off shut down of non-empathy on my part, we’d been messaging on the topic all day with me trying to help and make constructive suggestions. My final message was to try and suggest to look at the bigger picture and imagine a worse scenario - this was very much sincere as I thought it would help frame the problem in a wider context. In hindsight this was obviously the wrong thing to do, albeit from the right place. Did she ask for your help and constructive suggestions, or did you just offer them anyway? Women like to talk over problems without being given a solution necessarily." A part of relationship is about listening and not fixing, or at least offering to try. People frequently want to sound out something and be allowed to make that call themselves. | |||
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"Thank you for all your (very good and helpful advice). To give some context, this wasn’t a one off shut down of non-empathy on my part, we’d been messaging on the topic all day with me trying to help and make constructive suggestions. My final message was to try and suggest to look at the bigger picture and imagine a worse scenario - this was very much sincere as I thought it would help frame the problem in a wider context. In hindsight this was obviously the wrong thing to do, albeit from the right place. This in itself is telling..assuming it was a female.. mostly we just wish to share the issue and chat in a general way. We are not necessarily looking for a solution and the more solutions you offered could just have tipped their capacity to engage I suspect at some point in the conversation the cues were there, you just didn't spot them or pay enough attention to know when to say 'whatever you decide to do, i hope it goes well' I get this. If I’m having a bad day then generally I don’t want advice, I just want someone to listen. " I get overwhelmed with people trying to resolve my issues, when they don't walk in my shoes.. It totally shuts me down | |||
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"If someone said to me there are people worse of than me when I'm sharing a problem with someone on here then I'd just block them without a second thought It's something a lot of people say, but it's insensitive. She possibly just needed an ear to share her problems with and was given a dismissive reply by someone she probably saw as a friend she could open up to. Men are from Mars etc... I have a friend who was going through a nasty divorce. She would seek wise counsel from me and I was pleased to help. One time she was moaning about the other half and most of it was emotional and inaccurate. I was trying to politely point out how irrational she was being. After a while she exploded "for fucks sake stop it... I just want to talk to you not hear how impractical I'm being"... Exactly as has been said above. A very useful Learning for me and thankfully still friends. But that was face to face and not over text or phone. Which I think makes a massive difference. " This!! And dammit you beat me to the venus +Mars ref | |||
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"Thank you for all your (very good and helpful advice). To give some context, this wasn’t a one off shut down of non-empathy on my part, we’d been messaging on the topic all day with me trying to help and make constructive suggestions. My final message was to try and suggest to look at the bigger picture and imagine a worse scenario - this was very much sincere as I thought it would help frame the problem in a wider context. In hindsight this was obviously the wrong thing to do, albeit from the right place. " Sometimes all someone wants is for you to listen, I’ve no doubt your intentions were sincere but text is never a good way to discuss delicate or emotive subjects. Learn from the experience. | |||
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"The difference in advice of F vs M is very interesting! Venus +Mars in action " It's very interesting! I always want advice/ different scenarios to consider. Annoys me when my female friends just listen and don't comment. I would have taken the OP's example as my hint to shut up and just fuck him. | |||
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"So I’ve been chatting to someone here a couple of months - literally back and forth every day without fail. Have met them several times including staying over. I’ve now said something that wasn’t outrageous but the person has taken massive offense to (about money and how there are people in worse situations) and have now been given the silent treatment despite apologising multiple times. Is this someone being over sensitive - would you cut someone off if they said something well meaning even though you took it badly. It seems such a shame but I guess that’s life - I can’t not offer an opinion / POV on things worrying about it all the time. " I've cut off friends of 20 years who did something a bit daft but it crushed me at the time. I'm a massive crybaby but I haven't forgiven them. Hope you can resolve this. If you do, maybe just smile and nod next time. | |||
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"So I’ve been chatting to someone here a couple of months - literally back and forth every day without fail. Have met them several times including staying over. I’ve now said something that wasn’t outrageous but the person has taken massive offense to (about money and how there are people in worse situations) and have now been given the silent treatment despite apologising multiple times. Is this someone being over sensitive - would you cut someone off if they said something well meaning even though you took it badly. It seems such a shame but I guess that’s life - I can’t not offer an opinion / POV on things worrying about it all the time. I've cut off friends of 20 years who did something a bit daft but it crushed me at the time. I'm a massive crybaby but I haven't forgiven them. Hope you can resolve this. If you do, maybe just smile and nod next time." Carrying 20 years of not forgiving them around with you though... Is that serving you well? | |||
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"So I’ve been chatting to someone here a couple of months - literally back and forth every day without fail. Have met them several times including staying over. I’ve now said something that wasn’t outrageous but the person has taken massive offense to (about money and how there are people in worse situations) and have now been given the silent treatment despite apologising multiple times. Is this someone being over sensitive - would you cut someone off if they said something well meaning even though you took it badly. It seems such a shame but I guess that’s life - I can’t not offer an opinion / POV on things worrying about it all the time. " It could be worse! | |||
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"I've cut off friends of 20 years who did something a bit daft but it crushed me at the time. I'm a massive crybaby but I haven't forgiven them. Hope you can resolve this. If you do, maybe just smile and nod next time. Carrying 20 years of not forgiving them around with you though... Is that serving you well? " Probably better than 20 years of keeping someone around who's prone to hurting you whether deliberate or not. | |||
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"I've cut off friends of 20 years who did something a bit daft but it crushed me at the time. I'm a massive crybaby but I haven't forgiven them. Hope you can resolve this. If you do, maybe just smile and nod next time. Carrying 20 years of not forgiving them around with you though... Is that serving you well? Probably better than 20 years of keeping someone around who's prone to hurting you whether deliberate or not." It's not binary though is it? You can be rid of both. | |||
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"So I’ve been chatting to someone here a couple of months - literally back and forth every day without fail. Have met them several times including staying over. I’ve now said something that wasn’t outrageous but the person has taken massive offense to (about money and how there are people in worse situations) and have now been given the silent treatment despite apologising multiple times. Is this someone being over sensitive - would you cut someone off if they said something well meaning even though you took it badly. It seems such a shame but I guess that’s life - I can’t not offer an opinion / POV on things worrying about it all the time. " I haven't read anyone's reply. I haven't time. You said something that was legal, a point of view. You have done nothing wrong. You have apologised. There is NOTHING more for you to do. Silent treatment is often due to a aeed for time to process what's been said but an adult would say that to you. What is actually happening is control, anger, co-ercion, bullying, manipulation .... etc. The only other possibility is they cannot answer as something has happened. If you are sure that they CAN answer but are choosing not to ....... FUCK THEM. They are acting like a sulking child. Keep your dignity now. | |||
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"Thank you for all your (very good and helpful advice). To give some context, this wasn’t a one off shut down of non-empathy on my part, we’d been messaging on the topic all day with me trying to help and make constructive suggestions. My final message was to try and suggest to look at the bigger picture and imagine a worse scenario - this was very much sincere as I thought it would help frame the problem in a wider context. In hindsight this was obviously the wrong thing to do, albeit from the right place. This in itself is telling..assuming it was a female.. mostly we just wish to share the issue and chat in a general way. We are not necessarily looking for a solution and the more solutions you offered could just have tipped their capacity to engage I suspect at some point in the conversation the cues were there, you just didn't spot them or pay enough attention to know when to say 'whatever you decide to do, i hope it goes well' I get this. If I’m having a bad day then generally I don’t want advice, I just want someone to listen. I get overwhelmed with people trying to resolve my issues, when they don't walk in my shoes.. It totally shuts me down " unless you have a size 9 impossible | |||
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"So I’ve been chatting to someone here a couple of months - literally back and forth every day without fail. Have met them several times including staying over. I’ve now said something that wasn’t outrageous but the person has taken massive offense to (about money and how there are people in worse situations) and have now been given the silent treatment despite apologising multiple times. Is this someone being over sensitive - would you cut someone off if they said something well meaning even though you took it badly. It seems such a shame but I guess that’s life - I can’t not offer an opinion / POV on things worrying about it all the time. " Why did you apologise? | |||
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"So I’ve been chatting to someone here a couple of months - literally back and forth every day without fail. Have met them several times including staying over. I’ve now said something that wasn’t outrageous but the person has taken massive offense to (about money and how there are people in worse situations) and have now been given the silent treatment despite apologising multiple times. Is this someone being over sensitive - would you cut someone off if they said something well meaning even though you took it badly. It seems such a shame but I guess that’s life - I can’t not offer an opinion / POV on things worrying about it all the time. Why did you apologise? " • Sometimes a gentleman is often infallible when it comes to instinctively making a gracious apology. A root-cause analysis is rarely called for. | |||
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"Why did you apologise? • Sometimes a gentleman is often infallible when it comes to instinctively making a gracious apology. A root-cause analysis is rarely called for." Oh, I heartily disagree on that one. Someone apologising for my feelings being hurt is borderline offensive to me. If you don't know and understand why what was said was hurtful I'd rather no apology than an instinctive but I'm a gentleman apology. | |||
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"The only advice there is, is move on and ignore them. They'll probably crawl back later anyway." Why do you say "crawl back"? | |||
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"Why did you apologise? • Sometimes a gentleman is often infallible when it comes to instinctively making a gracious apology. A root-cause analysis is rarely called for. Oh, I heartily disagree on that one. Someone apologising for my feelings being hurt is borderline offensive to me. If you don't know and understand why what was said was hurtful I'd rather no apology than an instinctive but I'm a gentleman apology." • But it's instinctive. No pre-ordained thought process comes into it. It's a knee-jerk reaction, rightly or wrongly. | |||
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"Why did you apologise? • Sometimes a gentleman is often infallible when it comes to instinctively making a gracious apology. A root-cause analysis is rarely called for. Oh, I heartily disagree on that one. Someone apologising for my feelings being hurt is borderline offensive to me. If you don't know and understand why what was said was hurtful I'd rather no apology than an instinctive but I'm a gentleman apology." Or alternatively, not apologise if he believes he did nothing wrong | |||
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"Someone apologising for my feelings being hurt is borderline offensive to me. If you don't know and understand why what was said was hurtful I'd rather no apology than an instinctive but I'm a gentleman apology. Or alternatively, not apologise if he believes he did nothing wrong" Ah yes, not apologise as an alternative to no apology which was already given as a preferred option It's also a knee jerk reaction to say no when asked if you've done something naughty. It doesn't mean it's right to run with it. | |||
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"Someone apologising for my feelings being hurt is borderline offensive to me. If you don't know and understand why what was said was hurtful I'd rather no apology than an instinctive but I'm a gentleman apology. Or alternatively, not apologise if he believes he did nothing wrong Ah yes, not apologise as an alternative to no apology which was already given as a preferred option It's also a knee jerk reaction to say no when asked if you've done something naughty. It doesn't mean it's right to run with it." Well he obviously still has no idea what he did wrong, or this wouldnt be an issue? So until he discovers what that may be, then surely it would be right to run with the no apology option? | |||
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"So I’ve been chatting to someone here a couple of months - literally back and forth every day without fail. Have met them several times including staying over. I’ve now said something that wasn’t outrageous but the person has taken massive offense to (about money and how there are people in worse situations) and have now been given the silent treatment despite apologising multiple times. Is this someone being over sensitive - would you cut someone off if they said something well meaning even though you took it badly. It seems such a shame but I guess that’s life - I can’t not offer an opinion / POV on things worrying about it all the time. I've cut off friends of 20 years who did something a bit daft but it crushed me at the time. I'm a massive crybaby but I haven't forgiven them. Hope you can resolve this. If you do, maybe just smile and nod next time. Carrying 20 years of not forgiving them around with you though... Is that serving you well? " They were my friends for 20 years. When I needed them they were shit. I'm not carrying anything around. I don't need "friends' who I can't trust. | |||
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"Saying that others have it worse, no matter your reasons and motives is deeply dismissive of their situation. This thread is quite disrespectful of their reaction as well though, especially if they can see it. It reads like you’re asking if you’re right in what you said, even though you’ve apologised, which indicates that your apology was less than sincere. All in all, I’m not surprised that they’re not responding " Whatever I said… whatever I did…. Didn’t mean it | |||
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"Saying that others have it worse, no matter your reasons and motives is deeply dismissive of their situation. This thread is quite disrespectful of their reaction as well though, especially if they can see it. It reads like you’re asking if you’re right in what you said, even though you’ve apologised, which indicates that your apology was less than sincere. All in all, I’m not surprised that they’re not responding Whatever I said… whatever I did…. Didn’t mean it " i just want you back for good | |||
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"Saying that others have it worse, no matter your reasons and motives is deeply dismissive of their situation. This thread is quite disrespectful of their reaction as well though, especially if they can see it. It reads like you’re asking if you’re right in what you said, even though you’ve apologised, which indicates that your apology was less than sincere. All in all, I’m not surprised that they’re not responding Whatever I said… whatever I did…. Didn’t mean it i just want you back for good " Whatever it is I’m SUPPOSED to have done……… I’m very sorry | |||
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"Saying that others have it worse, no matter your reasons and motives is deeply dismissive of their situation. This thread is quite disrespectful of their reaction as well though, especially if they can see it. It reads like you’re asking if you’re right in what you said, even though you’ve apologised, which indicates that your apology was less than sincere. All in all, I’m not surprised that they’re not responding Whatever I said… whatever I did…. Didn’t mean it i just want you back for good Whatever it is I’m SUPPOSED to have done……… I’m very sorry " we'll be fighting, so complete in our love, we will never be uncovered again | |||
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"Saying that others have it worse, no matter your reasons and motives is deeply dismissive of their situation. This thread is quite disrespectful of their reaction as well though, especially if they can see it. It reads like you’re asking if you’re right in what you said, even though you’ve apologised, which indicates that your apology was less than sincere. All in all, I’m not surprised that they’re not responding " Better than I put it and spot on | |||
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"I personally have very little time for people who resort to the “silent treatment”. I think it is a horrible trait. If you have an issue with something I have said/done then deal with it - ignoring me isn’t going to help anything." Well said. Its bordering on domestic abuse when done within a relationship | |||
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"I personally have very little time for people who resort to the “silent treatment”. I think it is a horrible trait. If you have an issue with something I have said/done then deal with it - ignoring me isn’t going to help anything. Well said. Its bordering on domestic abuse when done within a relationship" That is _exactly_ my last relationship. It would last for weeks sometimes. Horrible way to live your life. | |||
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"Saying that others have it worse, no matter your reasons and motives is deeply dismissive of their situation. This thread is quite disrespectful of their reaction as well though, especially if they can see it. It reads like you’re asking if you’re right in what you said, even though you’ve apologised, which indicates that your apology was less than sincere. All in all, I’m not surprised that they’re not responding " Everything is relative too | |||
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"I personally have very little time for people who resort to the “silent treatment”. I think it is a horrible trait. If you have an issue with something I have said/done then deal with it - ignoring me isn’t going to help anything. Well said. Its bordering on domestic abuse when done within a relationship That is _exactly_ my last relationship. It would last for weeks sometimes. Horrible way to live your life." My ex used to do it to me too… just start ignoring me after a row. I used to hate it as I’d much rather just talk it out and move on. He did actually stop doing it though when he realised that I didn’t care enough anymore and was happy to not talk so I could watch tv in peace | |||
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