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"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle? Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see " Don't see how it's unpleasant or vile. It's a jokey reference to GOT. | |||
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"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle? Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see Don't see how it's unpleasant or vile. It's a jokey reference to GOT. " I can see that too. Still probably a little over the top when you throw in his bit about hating her, rose west etc etc But all that aside, where has the racism stuff come from? | |||
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"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle? Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see Don't see how it's unpleasant or vile. It's a jokey reference to GOT. " Is it? What about all the people that haven't seen that? Without any context (and even with the context) it's awful. I can't see any element of racism in there though | |||
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"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle? Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see Don't see how it's unpleasant or vile. It's a jokey reference to GOT. Is it? What about all the people that haven't seen that? Without any context (and even with the context) it's awful. I can't see any element of racism in there though " Is there a person on the planet that hasn't see GOT? Or that doesn't have a sense of humour? Oh yes, they're on here | |||
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"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle? Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see Don't see how it's unpleasant or vile. It's a jokey reference to GOT. Is it? What about all the people that haven't seen that? Without any context (and even with the context) it's awful. I can't see any element of racism in there though Is there a person on the planet that hasn't see GOT? Or that doesn't have a sense of humour? Oh yes, they're on here" Plenty of people haven't seen it  | |||
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"Just because something isn't overt, doesn't mean the intent isn't there. Sure, we don't know he had racist motives, but we don't know he didn't either" Thats an odd, and frankly worrying way of looking at something. So someone now has to actively say they're NOT something, for fear they will be accused of it? Where does that extend to? | |||
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"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle? Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see Don't see how it's unpleasant or vile. It's a jokey reference to GOT. Is it? What about all the people that haven't seen that? Without any context (and even with the context) it's awful. I can't see any element of racism in there though Is there a person on the planet that hasn't see GOT? Or that doesn't have a sense of humour? Oh yes, they're on here Plenty of people haven't seen it "Well good for them... maybe Santa can bring them a sense of humour for Christmas...or is that racist, offensive too | |||
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"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle? Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see Don't see how it's unpleasant or vile. It's a jokey reference to GOT. " Can you explain the humour, I didn't get it | |||
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"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle? Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see Don't see how it's unpleasant or vile. It's a jokey reference to GOT. Is it? What about all the people that haven't seen that? Without any context (and even with the context) it's awful. I can't see any element of racism in there though Is there a person on the planet that hasn't see GOT? Or that doesn't have a sense of humour? Oh yes, they're on here" I haven't seen GOT so didn't understand the reference. | |||
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"Just because something isn't overt, doesn't mean the intent isn't there. Sure, we don't know he had racist motives, but we don't know he didn't either Thats an odd, and frankly worrying way of looking at something. So someone now has to actively say they're NOT something, for fear they will be accused of it? Where does that extend to? " It is when there's been previous of both his behaviour in general and the behaviour of others towards Meghan. Should be easy enough to say... "I wasn't trying to be racist, just an edgy knobend and it backfired." simple. | |||
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"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle? Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see Don't see how it's unpleasant or vile. It's a jokey reference to GOT. Is it? What about all the people that haven't seen that? Without any context (and even with the context) it's awful. I can't see any element of racism in there though Is there a person on the planet that hasn't see GOT? Or that doesn't have a sense of humour? Oh yes, they're on here Plenty of people haven't seen it "I haven't seen it so would take his comment at face value. I have a great sense of humour but can't see anything funny about his comment. | |||
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"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle? Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see Don't see how it's unpleasant or vile. It's a jokey reference to GOT. Is it? What about all the people that haven't seen that? Without any context (and even with the context) it's awful. I can't see any element of racism in there though Is there a person on the planet that hasn't see GOT? Or that doesn't have a sense of humour? Oh yes, they're on here I haven't seen GOT so didn't understand the reference." Weirdly the millions that had seen it appear to have missed the reference until Clarkson explained it. | |||
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"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle? Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see Don't see how it's unpleasant or vile. It's a jokey reference to GOT. Is it? What about all the people that haven't seen that? Without any context (and even with the context) it's awful. I can't see any element of racism in there though Is there a person on the planet that hasn't see GOT? Or that doesn't have a sense of humour? Oh yes, they're on here Plenty of people haven't seen it
Well good for them... maybe Santa can bring them a sense of humour for Christmas...or is that racist, offensive too"Please explain how you think making a women parade naked through the streets while people throw shot at her funny? | |||
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"Just because something isn't overt, doesn't mean the intent isn't there. Sure, we don't know he had racist motives, but we don't know he didn't either Thats an odd, and frankly worrying way of looking at something. So someone now has to actively say they're NOT something, for fear they will be accused of it? Where does that extend to? It is when there's been previous of both his behaviour in general and the behaviour of others towards Meghan. Should be easy enough to say... "I wasn't trying to be racist, just an edgy knobend and it backfired." simple." Sorry but thats just completely unreasonable. Hes allowed criticise someone without being accused of racism. Hammer him all you want for the other stuff in the article, but other people's alleged racism towards her is nothing to do with him and should not be hung around his neck. It also serves to cheapen and lessen the impact of racism when slinging it around wildly like that | |||
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"Just because something isn't overt, doesn't mean the intent isn't there. Sure, we don't know he had racist motives, but we don't know he didn't either Thats an odd, and frankly worrying way of looking at something. So someone now has to actively say they're NOT something, for fear they will be accused of it? Where does that extend to? It is when there's been previous of both his behaviour in general and the behaviour of others towards Meghan. Should be easy enough to say... "I wasn't trying to be racist, just an edgy knobend and it backfired." simple." I agree, we all know that Clarkson is a bully, at times violent has made racist comments in the past. Wr also know that Meghan Markle has been subject to widespread abuse including racist comments. We also know a lot of older white men have racist views abd Clarkson claims to speak for them. So yeah, I think he needs to prove otherwise in this instance | |||
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"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle? Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see Don't see how it's unpleasant or vile. It's a jokey reference to GOT. Is it? What about all the people that haven't seen that? Without any context (and even with the context) it's awful. I can't see any element of racism in there though Is there a person on the planet that hasn't see GOT? Or that doesn't have a sense of humour? Oh yes, they're on here Plenty of people haven't seen it
Well good for them... maybe Santa can bring them a sense of humour for Christmas...or is that racist, offensive too
Please explain how you think making a women parade naked through the streets while people throw shot at her funny?"Would you feel the same if it was a man? | |||
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"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle? Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see Don't see how it's unpleasant or vile. It's a jokey reference to GOT. Is it? What about all the people that haven't seen that? Without any context (and even with the context) it's awful. I can't see any element of racism in there though Is there a person on the planet that hasn't see GOT? Or that doesn't have a sense of humour? Oh yes, they're on here Plenty of people haven't seen it
Well good for them... maybe Santa can bring them a sense of humour for Christmas...or is that racist, offensive too
Please explain how you think making a women parade naked through the streets while people throw shot at her funny?
Would you feel the same if it was a man? "Yes | |||
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"Just because something isn't overt, doesn't mean the intent isn't there. Sure, we don't know he had racist motives, but we don't know he didn't either Thats an odd, and frankly worrying way of looking at something. So someone now has to actively say they're NOT something, for fear they will be accused of it? Where does that extend to? It is when there's been previous of both his behaviour in general and the behaviour of others towards Meghan. Should be easy enough to say... "I wasn't trying to be racist, just an edgy knobend and it backfired." simple. I agree, we all know that Clarkson is a bully, at times violent has made racist comments in the past. Wr also know that Meghan Markle has been subject to widespread abuse including racist comments. We also know a lot of older white men have racist views abd Clarkson claims to speak for them. So yeah, I think he needs to prove otherwise in this instance" Ah so there is it. We've entered the realm now of having to prove youre not something in case you are accused of it in the future, even though you make no such comment at that point in time. Jesus, does anyone see how ridiculous that is? | |||
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"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle? Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see Don't see how it's unpleasant or vile. It's a jokey reference to GOT. Is it? What about all the people that haven't seen that? Without any context (and even with the context) it's awful. I can't see any element of racism in there though Is there a person on the planet that hasn't see GOT? Or that doesn't have a sense of humour? Oh yes, they're on here Plenty of people haven't seen it
Well good for them... maybe Santa can bring them a sense of humour for Christmas...or is that racist, offensive too
Please explain how you think making a women parade naked through the streets while people throw shot at her funny?
Would you feel the same if it was a man?
Yes "Forgive my scepticism | |||
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"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle? Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see Don't see how it's unpleasant or vile. It's a jokey reference to GOT. Is it? What about all the people that haven't seen that? Without any context (and even with the context) it's awful. I can't see any element of racism in there though Is there a person on the planet that hasn't see GOT? Or that doesn't have a sense of humour? Oh yes, they're on here Plenty of people haven't seen it
Well good for them... maybe Santa can bring them a sense of humour for Christmas...or is that racist, offensive too"Of course - the 'missing a sense of humour' argument. Good luck with that  | |||
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"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle? Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see Don't see how it's unpleasant or vile. It's a jokey reference to GOT. Is it? What about all the people that haven't seen that? Without any context (and even with the context) it's awful. I can't see any element of racism in there though Is there a person on the planet that hasn't see GOT? Or that doesn't have a sense of humour? Oh yes, they're on here Plenty of people haven't seen it
Well good for them... maybe Santa can bring them a sense of humour for Christmas...or is that racist, offensive too
Of course - the 'missing a sense of humour' argument. Good luck with that "Boom boom! | |||
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"I don't think it was racist however someone can still be racist without saying the N word. It's quite possible some people don't like Meghan because she has a black mum or because she's American but they won't make that reason obvious " It's also possible not to like her simply because she's a pain in the arse!!!!!!! | |||
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" I agree, we all know that Clarkson is a bully, at times violent has made racist comments in the past. Wr also know that Meghan Markle has been subject to widespread abuse including racist comments. We also know a lot of older white men have racist views abd Clarkson claims to speak for them. So yeah, I think he needs to prove otherwise in this instance" What racist comments has he made in the past? I know of one when he used a very outdated rhyme. And when has JC ever claimed to speak for older white male racists?? Ps...racists can be any age, and any colour. | |||
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"I don't think it was racist however someone can still be racist without saying the N word. It's quite possible some people don't like Meghan because she has a black mum or because she's American but they won't make that reason obvious " Its also possible to dislike her because she has 10 fingers and 10 toes, or because she wore purple nail polish, or because she hasnt descended from the klingon planet in star trek. Shall i go on? | |||
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"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle? Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see Don't see how it's unpleasant or vile. It's a jokey reference to GOT. Is it? What about all the people that haven't seen that? Without any context (and even with the context) it's awful. I can't see any element of racism in there though Is there a person on the planet that hasn't see GOT? Or that doesn't have a sense of humour? Oh yes, they're on here Plenty of people haven't seen it
Well good for them... maybe Santa can bring them a sense of humour for Christmas...or is that racist, offensive too
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Would you feel the same if it was a man?
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Forgive my scepticism "Very unlikely that Clarkson would suggest this of man though! I wouldn't find it funny whoever aimed at. | |||
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" I agree, we all know that Clarkson is a bully, at times violent has made racist comments in the past. Wr also know that Meghan Markle has been subject to widespread abuse including racist comments. We also know a lot of older white men have racist views abd Clarkson claims to speak for them. So yeah, I think he needs to prove otherwise in this instance What racist comments has he made in the past? I know of one when he used a very outdated rhyme. And when has JC ever claimed to speak for older white male racists?? Ps...racists can be any age, and any colour. " Check out when they built a bridge in the Burma special and the comment he made when they finished it | |||
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"Just because something isn't overt, doesn't mean the intent isn't there. Sure, we don't know he had racist motives, but we don't know he didn't either Thats an odd, and frankly worrying way of looking at something. So someone now has to actively say they're NOT something, for fear they will be accused of it? Where does that extend to? It is when there's been previous of both his behaviour in general and the behaviour of others towards Meghan. Should be easy enough to say... "I wasn't trying to be racist, just an edgy knobend and it backfired." simple. I agree, we all know that Clarkson is a bully, at times violent has made racist comments in the past. Wr also know that Meghan Markle has been subject to widespread abuse including racist comments. We also know a lot of older white men have racist views abd Clarkson claims to speak for them. So yeah, I think he needs to prove otherwise in this instance Ah so there is it. We've entered the realm now of having to prove youre not something in case you are accused of it in the future, even though you make no such comment at that point in time. Jesus, does anyone see how ridiculous that is? " OP, i know we dont always see eye to eye in the forums, but you are spot on with this. So, using his logic, your comment above we dont know if you had racist motives. But we also dont know you didnt either. | |||
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" I agree, we all know that Clarkson is a bully, at times violent has made racist comments in the past. Wr also know that Meghan Markle has been subject to widespread abuse including racist comments. We also know a lot of older white men have racist views abd Clarkson claims to speak for them. So yeah, I think he needs to prove otherwise in this instance What racist comments has he made in the past? I know of one when he used a very outdated rhyme. And when has JC ever claimed to speak for older white male racists?? Ps...racists can be any age, and any colour. Check out when they built a bridge in the Burma special and the comment he made when they finished it" You could just tell us | |||
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" I agree, we all know that Clarkson is a bully, at times violent has made racist comments in the past. Wr also know that Meghan Markle has been subject to widespread abuse including racist comments. We also know a lot of older white men have racist views abd Clarkson claims to speak for them. So yeah, I think he needs to prove otherwise in this instance What racist comments has he made in the past? I know of one when he used a very outdated rhyme. And when has JC ever claimed to speak for older white male racists?? Ps...racists can be any age, and any colour. Check out when they built a bridge in the Burma special and the comment he made when they finished it You could just tell us" Similarly you could explain the joke that we all failed to get? | |||
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" Check out when they built a bridge in the Burma special and the comment he made when they finished it" I remember the episode, but dont remember any commemt being made at the end. What was it?? | |||
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"Just because something isn't overt, doesn't mean the intent isn't there. Sure, we don't know he had racist motives, but we don't know he didn't either Thats an odd, and frankly worrying way of looking at something. So someone now has to actively say they're NOT something, for fear they will be accused of it? Where does that extend to? It is when there's been previous of both his behaviour in general and the behaviour of others towards Meghan. Should be easy enough to say... "I wasn't trying to be racist, just an edgy knobend and it backfired." simple. Sorry but thats just completely unreasonable. Hes allowed criticise someone without being accused of racism. Hammer him all you want for the other stuff in the article, but other people's alleged racism towards her is nothing to do with him and should not be hung around his neck. It also serves to cheapen and lessen the impact of racism when slinging it around wildly like that" Yeah, but you're obviously looking at the article in a bubble without looking at the context of: A) Clarkson's previous "subtle" racist comments B) What men his age have said about Meghan in the past Just because he didn't fully come out and say it, doesn't mean the motivations weren't there. Hence my original comment that racism isn't always overt | |||
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"Just because something isn't overt, doesn't mean the intent isn't there. Sure, we don't know he had racist motives, but we don't know he didn't either Thats an odd, and frankly worrying way of looking at something. So someone now has to actively say they're NOT something, for fear they will be accused of it? Where does that extend to? It is when there's been previous of both his behaviour in general and the behaviour of others towards Meghan. Should be easy enough to say... "I wasn't trying to be racist, just an edgy knobend and it backfired." simple. I agree, we all know that Clarkson is a bully, at times violent has made racist comments in the past. Wr also know that Meghan Markle has been subject to widespread abuse including racist comments. We also know a lot of older white men have racist views abd Clarkson claims to speak for them. So yeah, I think he needs to prove otherwise in this instance Ah so there is it. We've entered the realm now of having to prove youre not something in case you are accused of it in the future, even though you make no such comment at that point in time. Jesus, does anyone see how ridiculous that is? OP, i know we dont always see eye to eye in the forums, but you are spot on with this. So, using his logic, your comment above we dont know if you had racist motives. But we also dont know you didnt either." Exactly. I could speaking about the tower of london or the grand canyon, but perhaps i was being racist instead. Whos to know? | |||
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" Check out when they built a bridge in the Burma special and the comment he made when they finished it I remember the episode, but dont remember any commemt being made at the end. What was it??" I'd rather not repeat it but he said something seemingly off the cuff that was also a racial slur towards Asian people | |||
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" I agree, we all know that Clarkson is a bully, at times violent has made racist comments in the past. Wr also know that Meghan Markle has been subject to widespread abuse including racist comments. We also know a lot of older white men have racist views abd Clarkson claims to speak for them. So yeah, I think he needs to prove otherwise in this instance What racist comments has he made in the past? I know of one when he used a very outdated rhyme. And when has JC ever claimed to speak for older white male racists?? Ps...racists can be any age, and any colour. Check out when they built a bridge in the Burma special and the comment he made when they finished it You could just tell us" Google is a thing  | |||
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"Just because something isn't overt, doesn't mean the intent isn't there. Sure, we don't know he had racist motives, but we don't know he didn't either Thats an odd, and frankly worrying way of looking at something. So someone now has to actively say they're NOT something, for fear they will be accused of it? Where does that extend to? It is when there's been previous of both his behaviour in general and the behaviour of others towards Meghan. Should be easy enough to say... "I wasn't trying to be racist, just an edgy knobend and it backfired." simple. Sorry but thats just completely unreasonable. Hes allowed criticise someone without being accused of racism. Hammer him all you want for the other stuff in the article, but other people's alleged racism towards her is nothing to do with him and should not be hung around his neck. It also serves to cheapen and lessen the impact of racism when slinging it around wildly like that Yeah, but you're obviously looking at the article in a bubble without looking at the context of: A) Clarkson's previous "subtle" racist comments B) What men his age have said about Meghan in the past Just because he didn't fully come out and say it, doesn't mean the motivations weren't there. Hence my original comment that racism isn't always overt" Ffs 'what men of his age have said about Meghan'?? What the hell has that got to do with him?? | |||
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"Just because something isn't overt, doesn't mean the intent isn't there. Sure, we don't know he had racist motives, but we don't know he didn't either Thats an odd, and frankly worrying way of looking at something. So someone now has to actively say they're NOT something, for fear they will be accused of it? Where does that extend to? It is when there's been previous of both his behaviour in general and the behaviour of others towards Meghan. Should be easy enough to say... "I wasn't trying to be racist, just an edgy knobend and it backfired." simple. Sorry but thats just completely unreasonable. Hes allowed criticise someone without being accused of racism. Hammer him all you want for the other stuff in the article, but other people's alleged racism towards her is nothing to do with him and should not be hung around his neck. It also serves to cheapen and lessen the impact of racism when slinging it around wildly like that Yeah, but you're obviously looking at the article in a bubble without looking at the context of: A) Clarkson's previous "subtle" racist comments B) What men his age have said about Meghan in the past Just because he didn't fully come out and say it, doesn't mean the motivations weren't there. Hence my original comment that racism isn't always overt Ffs 'what men of his age have said about Meghan'?? What the hell has that got to do with him?? " See A | |||
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" I agree, we all know that Clarkson is a bully, at times violent has made racist comments in the past. Wr also know that Meghan Markle has been subject to widespread abuse including racist comments. We also know a lot of older white men have racist views abd Clarkson claims to speak for them. So yeah, I think he needs to prove otherwise in this instance What racist comments has he made in the past? I know of one when he used a very outdated rhyme. And when has JC ever claimed to speak for older white male racists?? Ps...racists can be any age, and any colour. " In this very article he said all men hos age feel the same, or words to that effect. The guy he decked for bringing the wrong food claimed a racist element in the comments accompanying the assault. There were the comments about Thai people made on Top Gear, the comments made about Indians, the comments made about Muslim lesbians, about Burkhas... But yeah definitely he's never made racist comments Also. This was published in The Sun, hardly known for championing diversity | |||
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"Just because something isn't overt, doesn't mean the intent isn't there. Sure, we don't know he had racist motives, but we don't know he didn't either Thats an odd, and frankly worrying way of looking at something. So someone now has to actively say they're NOT something, for fear they will be accused of it? Where does that extend to? It is when there's been previous of both his behaviour in general and the behaviour of others towards Meghan. Should be easy enough to say... "I wasn't trying to be racist, just an edgy knobend and it backfired." simple. Sorry but thats just completely unreasonable. Hes allowed criticise someone without being accused of racism. Hammer him all you want for the other stuff in the article, but other people's alleged racism towards her is nothing to do with him and should not be hung around his neck. It also serves to cheapen and lessen the impact of racism when slinging it around wildly like that Yeah, but you're obviously looking at the article in a bubble without looking at the context of: A) Clarkson's previous "subtle" racist comments B) What men his age have said about Meghan in the past Just because he didn't fully come out and say it, doesn't mean the motivations weren't there. Hence my original comment that racism isn't always overt Ffs 'what men of his age have said about Meghan'?? What the hell has that got to do with him?? See A" First of all 'A' still is unclear,as comments above attest to. Even if 'A' was a valid criticism, how does B have any relevance at all. | |||
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"Just because something isn't overt, doesn't mean the intent isn't there. Sure, we don't know he had racist motives, but we don't know he didn't either Thats an odd, and frankly worrying way of looking at something. So someone now has to actively say they're NOT something, for fear they will be accused of it? Where does that extend to? It is when there's been previous of both his behaviour in general and the behaviour of others towards Meghan. Should be easy enough to say... "I wasn't trying to be racist, just an edgy knobend and it backfired." simple. Sorry but thats just completely unreasonable. Hes allowed criticise someone without being accused of racism. Hammer him all you want for the other stuff in the article, but other people's alleged racism towards her is nothing to do with him and should not be hung around his neck. It also serves to cheapen and lessen the impact of racism when slinging it around wildly like that Yeah, but you're obviously looking at the article in a bubble without looking at the context of: A) Clarkson's previous "subtle" racist comments B) What men his age have said about Meghan in the past Just because he didn't fully come out and say it, doesn't mean the motivations weren't there. Hence my original comment that racism isn't always overt Ffs 'what men of his age have said about Meghan'?? What the hell has that got to do with him?? " Its hilarious, isnt it. Because white men his age have been racist about Meghan, then he automatically linked to them. Im sure guys my age have also been racist, so clearly im linked to. And im certain guys aged 27, the same as Yuletide, have said nasty racist comments too.. So, using his logic again...racist. | |||
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"Just because something isn't overt, doesn't mean the intent isn't there. Sure, we don't know he had racist motives, but we don't know he didn't either Thats an odd, and frankly worrying way of looking at something. So someone now has to actively say they're NOT something, for fear they will be accused of it? Where does that extend to? It is when there's been previous of both his behaviour in general and the behaviour of others towards Meghan. Should be easy enough to say... "I wasn't trying to be racist, just an edgy knobend and it backfired." simple. Sorry but thats just completely unreasonable. Hes allowed criticise someone without being accused of racism. Hammer him all you want for the other stuff in the article, but other people's alleged racism towards her is nothing to do with him and should not be hung around his neck. It also serves to cheapen and lessen the impact of racism when slinging it around wildly like that Yeah, but you're obviously looking at the article in a bubble without looking at the context of: A) Clarkson's previous "subtle" racist comments B) What men his age have said about Meghan in the past Just because he didn't fully come out and say it, doesn't mean the motivations weren't there. Hence my original comment that racism isn't always overt Ffs 'what men of his age have said about Meghan'?? What the hell has that got to do with him?? See A First of all 'A' still is unclear,as comments above attest to. Even if 'A' was a valid criticism, how does B have any relevance at all." I've explained A in my initial comments where saying racism isn't always blatant and like a previous poster said, B refers to the fact he mentioned all men his age thought the same. But ok, fuck it. You're right. Well done. I'm done arguing about this as these people have no bearing on my life so I don't even know why my stupid pride dragged me into replying for this long | |||
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"Just because something isn't overt, doesn't mean the intent isn't there. Sure, we don't know he had racist motives, but we don't know he didn't either Thats an odd, and frankly worrying way of looking at something. So someone now has to actively say they're NOT something, for fear they will be accused of it? Where does that extend to? It is when there's been previous of both his behaviour in general and the behaviour of others towards Meghan. Should be easy enough to say... "I wasn't trying to be racist, just an edgy knobend and it backfired." simple. Sorry but thats just completely unreasonable. Hes allowed criticise someone without being accused of racism. Hammer him all you want for the other stuff in the article, but other people's alleged racism towards her is nothing to do with him and should not be hung around his neck. It also serves to cheapen and lessen the impact of racism when slinging it around wildly like that Yeah, but you're obviously looking at the article in a bubble without looking at the context of: A) Clarkson's previous "subtle" racist comments B) What men his age have said about Meghan in the past Just because he didn't fully come out and say it, doesn't mean the motivations weren't there. Hence my original comment that racism isn't always overt Ffs 'what men of his age have said about Meghan'?? What the hell has that got to do with him?? Its hilarious, isnt it. Because white men his age have been racist about Meghan, then he automatically linked to them. Im sure guys my age have also been racist, so clearly im linked to. And im certain guys aged 27, the same as Yuletide, have said nasty racist comments too.. So, using his logic again...racist." Clarkson said that everyone his age felt the same about her! | |||
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"No matter wether it’s in reference to game of thrones or not - anyone that thinks saying that about Meghan is ok/a joke/in jest - is very much in the wrong. No matter what you think about Meghan markle - what he said was abhorrent. If it was said about any female relative/friend, it wouldn’t be right, it should’ve be any different towards Meghan. The fact she has more hatred and vitriol publicly towards her compared to Prince Andrew,speaks volumes " Exactly this. | |||
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"Ultimately though, these comments at the very least normalise misogyny amd at worst normalise sexual violence against women. A woman is murdered somewhere in Britain once every 3 days. Last week Zara Aleena's murderer was shown to be predatoryly seeking a woman to murder on CCTV footage, any woman. So I'm wondering what those men (weirdly it's only men) defending Clarkson's comments think about sexual violence against women?" I'm wondering the same, or will we get the usual 'not just women' comments. | |||
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"No matter wether it’s in reference to game of thrones or not - anyone that thinks saying that about Meghan is ok/a joke/in jest - is very much in the wrong. No matter what you think about Meghan markle - what he said was abhorrent. If it was said about any female relative/friend, it wouldn’t be right, it should’ve be any different towards Meghan. The fact she has more hatred and vitriol publicly towards her compared to Prince Andrew,speaks volumes " As i said, criticise all you want for the vitriol...but where has the racism accusaction come from? | |||
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"Just because something isn't overt, doesn't mean the intent isn't there. Sure, we don't know he had racist motives, but we don't know he didn't either Thats an odd, and frankly worrying way of looking at something. So someone now has to actively say they're NOT something, for fear they will be accused of it? Where does that extend to? It is when there's been previous of both his behaviour in general and the behaviour of others towards Meghan. Should be easy enough to say... "I wasn't trying to be racist, just an edgy knobend and it backfired." simple. Sorry but thats just completely unreasonable. Hes allowed criticise someone without being accused of racism. Hammer him all you want for the other stuff in the article, but other people's alleged racism towards her is nothing to do with him and should not be hung around his neck. It also serves to cheapen and lessen the impact of racism when slinging it around wildly like that Yeah, but you're obviously looking at the article in a bubble without looking at the context of: A) Clarkson's previous "subtle" racist comments B) What men his age have said about Meghan in the past Just because he didn't fully come out and say it, doesn't mean the motivations weren't there. Hence my original comment that racism isn't always overt Ffs 'what men of his age have said about Meghan'?? What the hell has that got to do with him?? Its hilarious, isnt it. Because white men his age have been racist about Meghan, then he automatically linked to them. Im sure guys my age have also been racist, so clearly im linked to. And im certain guys aged 27, the same as Yuletide, have said nasty racist comments too.. So, using his logic again...racist. Clarkson said that everyone his age felt the same about her!" Yes he did, and nowhere did he mention anything about her skin colour. Nor did he intimate it, suggest it etc | |||
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"Ultimately though, these comments at the very least normalise misogyny amd at worst normalise sexual violence against women. A woman is murdered somewhere in Britain once every 3 days. Last week Zara Aleena's murderer was shown to be predatoryly seeking a woman to murder on CCTV footage, any woman. So I'm wondering what those men (weirdly it's only men) defending Clarkson's comments think about sexual violence against women?" This, exactly this | |||
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"Ultimately though, these comments at the very least normalise misogyny amd at worst normalise sexual violence against women. A woman is murdered somewhere in Britain once every 3 days. Last week Zara Aleena's murderer was shown to be predatoryly seeking a woman to murder on CCTV footage, any woman. So I'm wondering what those men (weirdly it's only men) defending Clarkson's comments think about sexual violence against women?" Im pretty sure 99.9999999999% of those men would strongly condemn any sexual violence. They can still however detest Meghan markle. The two are mutually exclusive | |||
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"Ultimately though, these comments at the very least normalise misogyny amd at worst normalise sexual violence against women. A woman is murdered somewhere in Britain once every 3 days. Last week Zara Aleena's murderer was shown to be predatoryly seeking a woman to murder on CCTV footage, any woman. So I'm wondering what those men (weirdly it's only men) defending Clarkson's comments think about sexual violence against women? Im pretty sure 99.9999999999% of those men would strongly condemn any sexual violence. They can still however detest Meghan markle. The two are mutually exclusive" Do you condemn Clarkson's comments? | |||
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"Just because something isn't overt, doesn't mean the intent isn't there. Sure, we don't know he had racist motives, but we don't know he didn't either Thats an odd, and frankly worrying way of looking at something. So someone now has to actively say they're NOT something, for fear they will be accused of it? Where does that extend to? It is when there's been previous of both his behaviour in general and the behaviour of others towards Meghan. Should be easy enough to say... "I wasn't trying to be racist, just an edgy knobend and it backfired." simple. Sorry but thats just completely unreasonable. Hes allowed criticise someone without being accused of racism. Hammer him all you want for the other stuff in the article, but other people's alleged racism towards her is nothing to do with him and should not be hung around his neck. It also serves to cheapen and lessen the impact of racism when slinging it around wildly like that Yeah, but you're obviously looking at the article in a bubble without looking at the context of: A) Clarkson's previous "subtle" racist comments B) What men his age have said about Meghan in the past Just because he didn't fully come out and say it, doesn't mean the motivations weren't there. Hence my original comment that racism isn't always overt Ffs 'what men of his age have said about Meghan'?? What the hell has that got to do with him?? Its hilarious, isnt it. Because white men his age have been racist about Meghan, then he automatically linked to them. Im sure guys my age have also been racist, so clearly im linked to. And im certain guys aged 27, the same as Yuletide, have said nasty racist comments too.. So, using his logic again...racist. Clarkson said that everyone his age felt the same about her! Yes he did, and nowhere did he mention anything about her skin colour. Nor did he intimate it, suggest it etc" Fair enough, this post had gone off topic in parts. I was just informing Boundabout that he dud acuse everyone of his age thinking the same about her. | |||
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"Ultimately though, these comments at the very least normalise misogyny amd at worst normalise sexual violence against women. A woman is murdered somewhere in Britain once every 3 days. Last week Zara Aleena's murderer was shown to be predatoryly seeking a woman to murder on CCTV footage, any woman. So I'm wondering what those men (weirdly it's only men) defending Clarkson's comments think about sexual violence against women? Im pretty sure 99.9999999999% of those men would strongly condemn any sexual violence. They can still however detest Meghan markle. The two are mutually exclusive Do you condemn Clarkson's comments?" I find them over the top, unnecessary and incendiary. As well as unpleasant. Pub talk, which shouldnt have made it to a national newspaper | |||
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"Ultimately though, these comments at the very least normalise misogyny amd at worst normalise sexual violence against women. A woman is murdered somewhere in Britain once every 3 days. Last week Zara Aleena's murderer was shown to be predatoryly seeking a woman to murder on CCTV footage, any woman. So I'm wondering what those men (weirdly it's only men) defending Clarkson's comments think about sexual violence against women? Im pretty sure 99.9999999999% of those men would strongly condemn any sexual violence. They can still however detest Meghan markle. The two are mutually exclusive" We arent even defending his comments. As the OP said very early on. We are clearly challenging the accusations and assumptions that its somehow racist. And its a ridiculous comment to suggest that if guys support JC's comments, then they dont condone violence of any kind against women. | |||
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"Ultimately though, these comments at the very least normalise misogyny amd at worst normalise sexual violence against women. A woman is murdered somewhere in Britain once every 3 days. Last week Zara Aleena's murderer was shown to be predatoryly seeking a woman to murder on CCTV footage, any woman. So I'm wondering what those men (weirdly it's only men) defending Clarkson's comments think about sexual violence against women? Im pretty sure 99.9999999999% of those men would strongly condemn any sexual violence. They can still however detest Meghan markle. The two are mutually exclusive Do you condemn Clarkson's comments? I find them over the top, unnecessary and incendiary. As well as unpleasant. Pub talk, which shouldnt have made it to a national newspaper" It's not even pub talk is it. What did you talk about in the pub last night? Oh the usual how I hate someone I've never met more than a serial child murderer and how it would be amazing for me to throw shit at her as she's abraded naked through the streets. That's not am okay conversation. | |||
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"Ultimately though, these comments at the very least normalise misogyny amd at worst normalise sexual violence against women. A woman is murdered somewhere in Britain once every 3 days. Last week Zara Aleena's murderer was shown to be predatoryly seeking a woman to murder on CCTV footage, any woman. So I'm wondering what those men (weirdly it's only men) defending Clarkson's comments think about sexual violence against women? Im pretty sure 99.9999999999% of those men would strongly condemn any sexual violence. They can still however detest Meghan markle. The two are mutually exclusive We arent even defending his comments. As the OP said very early on. We are clearly challenging the accusations and assumptions that its somehow racist. And its a ridiculous comment to suggest that if guys support JC's comments, then they dont condone violence of any kind against women." But anyone that does support his comments is condoning violence towards women, or one woman in particular! | |||
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"Ultimately though, these comments at the very least normalise misogyny amd at worst normalise sexual violence against women. A woman is murdered somewhere in Britain once every 3 days. Last week Zara Aleena's murderer was shown to be predatoryly seeking a woman to murder on CCTV footage, any woman. So I'm wondering what those men (weirdly it's only men) defending Clarkson's comments think about sexual violence against women? Im pretty sure 99.9999999999% of those men would strongly condemn any sexual violence. They can still however detest Meghan markle. The two are mutually exclusive Do you condemn Clarkson's comments? I find them over the top, unnecessary and incendiary. As well as unpleasant. Pub talk, which shouldnt have made it to a national newspaper It's not even pub talk is it. What did you talk about in the pub last night? Oh the usual how I hate someone I've never met more than a serial child murderer and how it would be amazing for me to throw shit at her as she's abraded naked through the streets. That's not am okay conversation." Ok thanks for that. So are we agreed then, no racism? | |||
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" Yeah, but you're obviously looking at the article in a bubble without looking at the context of: A) Clarkson's previous "subtle" racist comments B) What men his age have said about Meghan in the past Just because he didn't fully come out and say it, doesn't mean the motivations weren't there. Hence my original comment that racism isn't always overt Ffs 'what men of his age have said about Meghan'?? What the hell has that got to do with him?? Its hilarious, isnt it. Because white men his age have been racist about Meghan, then he automatically linked to them. Im sure guys my age have also been racist, so clearly im linked to. And im certain guys aged 27, the same as Yuletide, have said nasty racist comments too.. So, using his logic again...racist. Clarkson said that everyone his age felt the same about her! Yes he did, and nowhere did he mention anything about her skin colour. Nor did he intimate it, suggest it etc Fair enough, this post had gone off topic in parts. I was just informing Boundabout that he dud acuse everyone of his age thinking the same about her." Dont worry, i read his comments online. So know exactly what he said. My issue was that another fabber posted "What men his (Clarksons) age have said about Meghan in the past", referring to racist comments and threats she has received. Apparently she only had them from white men the same age as JC. So, i hope you understand why i took issue with it. | |||
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"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle? Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see " You are correct no racist comments were made in this article. However Clarkson is a racist, Meghan Markle is a woman of colour. I'd say that's one reason he hates her enough to want to throw shit at her. | |||
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"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle? Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see You are correct no racist comments were made in this article. However Clarkson is a racist, Meghan Markle is a woman of colour. I'd say that's one reason he hates her enough to want to throw shit at her." Amazing how you can say with such certainty that thing about him. Its so easy to say these days isnt it? | |||
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"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle? Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see You are correct no racist comments were made in this article. However Clarkson is a racist, Meghan Markle is a woman of colour. I'd say that's one reason he hates her enough to want to throw shit at her. Amazing how you can say with such certainty that thing about him. Its so easy to say these days isnt it? " Oh come on. You are actually saying he isn't a racist? | |||
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"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle? Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see You are correct no racist comments were made in this article. However Clarkson is a racist, Meghan Markle is a woman of colour. I'd say that's one reason he hates her enough to want to throw shit at her. Amazing how you can say with such certainty that thing about him. Its so easy to say these days isnt it? Oh come on. You are actually saying he isn't a racist? " I have absolutely no idea whatsoever, and i dont make a habit of throwing such horrendous accusastions at people based on little to no actual evidence | |||
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"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle? Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see You are correct no racist comments were made in this article. However Clarkson is a racist, Meghan Markle is a woman of colour. I'd say that's one reason he hates her enough to want to throw shit at her. Amazing how you can say with such certainty that thing about him. Its so easy to say these days isnt it? Oh come on. You are actually saying he isn't a racist? I have absolutely no idea whatsoever, and i dont make a habit of throwing such horrendous accusastions at people based on little to no actual evidence" You don't have an opinion based on news articles available? Would you say he's misogynistic or bigoted in anyway? | |||
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"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle? Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see You are correct no racist comments were made in this article. However Clarkson is a racist, Meghan Markle is a woman of colour. I'd say that's one reason he hates her enough to want to throw shit at her. Amazing how you can say with such certainty that thing about him. Its so easy to say these days isnt it? Oh come on. You are actually saying he isn't a racist? I have absolutely no idea whatsoever, and i dont make a habit of throwing such horrendous accusastions at people based on little to no actual evidence You don't have an opinion based on news articles available? Would you say he's misogynistic or bigoted in anyway?" Once again, i dont know. Youre asking me to get inside the mans head and read his mind. I, nor anyone else, can do that. You can say hes a prick if you like, for his comments. But to call him anything like what youre suggesting, in the absence of actual evidence, then you would need to know his motivation for saying those things and none of us can possibly know that unless he says so | |||
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"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle? Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see I You are correct no racist comments were made in this article. However Clarkson is a racist, Meghan Markle is a woman of colour. I'd say that's one reason he hates her enough to want to throw shit at her. Amazing how you can say with such certainty that thing about him. Its so easy to say these days isnt it? Oh come on. You are actually saying he isn't a racist? I have absolutely no idea whatsoever, and i dont make a habit of throwing such horrendous accusastions at people based on little to no actual evidence You don't have an opinion based on news articles available? Would you say he's misogynistic or bigoted in anyway? Once again, i dont know. Youre asking me to get inside the mans head and read his mind. I, nor anyone else, can do that. You can say hes a prick if you like, for his comments. But to call him anything like what youre suggesting, in the absence of actual evidence, then you would need to know his motivation for saying those things and none of us can possibly know that unless he says so" If he's suggesting humiliation and violence towards a woman I'd say that was very misogynistic, but hey that's just my opinion. | |||
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"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle? Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see You are correct no racist comments were made in this article. However Clarkson is a racist, Meghan Markle is a woman of colour. I'd say that's one reason he hates her enough to want to throw shit at her. Amazing how you can say with such certainty that thing about him. Its so easy to say these days isnt it? Oh come on. You are actually saying he isn't a racist? I have absolutely no idea whatsoever, and i dont make a habit of throwing such horrendous accusastions at people based on little to no actual evidence You don't have an opinion based on news articles available? Would you say he's misogynistic or bigoted in anyway? Once again, i dont know. Youre asking me to get inside the mans head and read his mind. I, nor anyone else, can do that. You can say hes a prick if you like, for his comments. But to call him anything like what youre suggesting, in the absence of actual evidence, then you would need to know his motivation for saying those things and none of us can possibly know that unless he says so" There's not really any need to read his mind when he spews it out so willingly. How could his casual linking of a murderer, a powerful politician and an actress who married into royalty, with nothing in common but their ovaries, not be construed as misogynistic? Leaving out the undertones of him lying in bed visualising Meghan be publicly humiliated naked. | |||
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"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle? Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see I You are correct no racist comments were made in this article. However Clarkson is a racist, Meghan Markle is a woman of colour. I'd say that's one reason he hates her enough to want to throw shit at her. Amazing how you can say with such certainty that thing about him. Its so easy to say these days isnt it? Oh come on. You are actually saying he isn't a racist? I have absolutely no idea whatsoever, and i dont make a habit of throwing such horrendous accusastions at people based on little to no actual evidence You don't have an opinion based on news articles available? Would you say he's misogynistic or bigoted in anyway? Once again, i dont know. Youre asking me to get inside the mans head and read his mind. I, nor anyone else, can do that. You can say hes a prick if you like, for his comments. But to call him anything like what youre suggesting, in the absence of actual evidence, then you would need to know his motivation for saying those things and none of us can possibly know that unless he says so If he's suggesting humiliation and violence towards a woman I'd say that was very misogynistic, but hey that's just my opinion." If it was BECAUSE shes a woman, then yes i would agree. But nowhere has he said that. So once again, youre reaching into the realm of motivation, which you can't possibly know | |||
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"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle? Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see You are correct no racist comments were made in this article. However Clarkson is a racist, Meghan Markle is a woman of colour. I'd say that's one reason he hates her enough to want to throw shit at her. Amazing how you can say with such certainty that thing about him. Its so easy to say these days isnt it? Oh come on. You are actually saying he isn't a racist? I have absolutely no idea whatsoever, and i dont make a habit of throwing such horrendous accusastions at people based on little to no actual evidence You don't have an opinion based on news articles available? Would you say he's misogynistic or bigoted in anyway? Once again, i dont know. Youre asking me to get inside the mans head and read his mind. I, nor anyone else, can do that. You can say hes a prick if you like, for his comments. But to call him anything like what youre suggesting, in the absence of actual evidence, then you would need to know his motivation for saying those things and none of us can possibly know that unless he says so There's not really any need to read his mind when he spews it out so willingly. How could his casual linking of a murderer, a powerful politician and an actress who married into royalty, with nothing in common but their ovaries, not be construed as misogynistic? Leaving out the undertones of him lying in bed visualising Meghan be publicly humiliated naked. " See my comment above re motivation and us not possibly knowing this. He has also stated many times in the past how he hates various cars, manufacturers, vehicle designers etc. Are you going to attach an ism to them as well? | |||
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"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle? Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see I You are correct no racist comments were made in this article. However Clarkson is a racist, Meghan Markle is a woman of colour. I'd say that's one reason he hates her enough to want to throw shit at her. Amazing how you can say with such certainty that thing about him. Its so easy to say these days isnt it? Oh come on. You are actually saying he isn't a racist? I have absolutely no idea whatsoever, and i dont make a habit of throwing such horrendous accusastions at people based on little to no actual evidence You don't have an opinion based on news articles available? Would you say he's misogynistic or bigoted in anyway? Once again, i dont know. Youre asking me to get inside the mans head and read his mind. I, nor anyone else, can do that. You can say hes a prick if you like, for his comments. But to call him anything like what youre suggesting, in the absence of actual evidence, then you would need to know his motivation for saying those things and none of us can possibly know that unless he says so If he's suggesting humiliation and violence towards a woman I'd say that was very misogynistic, but hey that's just my opinion. If it was BECAUSE shes a woman, then yes i would agree. But nowhere has he said that. So once again, youre reaching into the realm of motivation, which you can't possibly know" And you are grasping at straws. | |||
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"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle? Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see I You are correct no racist comments were made in this article. However Clarkson is a racist, Meghan Markle is a woman of colour. I'd say that's one reason he hates her enough to want to throw shit at her. Amazing how you can say with such certainty that thing about him. Its so easy to say these days isnt it? Oh come on. You are actually saying he isn't a racist? I have absolutely no idea whatsoever, and i dont make a habit of throwing such horrendous accusastions at people based on little to no actual evidence You don't have an opinion based on news articles available? Would you say he's misogynistic or bigoted in anyway? Once again, i dont know. Youre asking me to get inside the mans head and read his mind. I, nor anyone else, can do that. You can say hes a prick if you like, for his comments. But to call him anything like what youre suggesting, in the absence of actual evidence, then you would need to know his motivation for saying those things and none of us can possibly know that unless he says so If he's suggesting humiliation and violence towards a woman I'd say that was very misogynistic, but hey that's just my opinion." I think most people agree that a target where he mentions the women he hates is misogynistic, but obviously not all men do | |||
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"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle? Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see You are correct no racist comments were made in this article. However Clarkson is a racist, Meghan Markle is a woman of colour. I'd say that's one reason he hates her enough to want to throw shit at her. Amazing how you can say with such certainty that thing about him. Its so easy to say these days isnt it? Oh come on. You are actually saying he isn't a racist? I have absolutely no idea whatsoever, and i dont make a habit of throwing such horrendous accusastions at people based on little to no actual evidence You don't have an opinion based on news articles available? Would you say he's misogynistic or bigoted in anyway? Once again, i dont know. Youre asking me to get inside the mans head and read his mind. I, nor anyone else, can do that. You can say hes a prick if you like, for his comments. But to call him anything like what youre suggesting, in the absence of actual evidence, then you would need to know his motivation for saying those things and none of us can possibly know that unless he says so There's not really any need to read his mind when he spews it out so willingly. How could his casual linking of a murderer, a powerful politician and an actress who married into royalty, with nothing in common but their ovaries, not be construed as misogynistic? Leaving out the undertones of him lying in bed visualising Meghan be publicly humiliated naked. See my comment above re motivation and us not possibly knowing this. He has also stated many times in the past how he hates various cars, manufacturers, vehicle designers etc. Are you going to attach an ism to them as well? " Can you link an article where he has used as much vitriol and talk of violence about a car as he has in this instance when talking about an actual human being. | |||
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"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle? Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see You are correct no racist comments were made in this article. However Clarkson is a racist, Meghan Markle is a woman of colour. I'd say that's one reason he hates her enough to want to throw shit at her. Amazing how you can say with such certainty that thing about him. Its so easy to say these days isnt it? Oh come on. You are actually saying he isn't a racist? I have absolutely no idea whatsoever, and i dont make a habit of throwing such horrendous accusastions at people based on little to no actual evidence You don't have an opinion based on news articles available? Would you say he's misogynistic or bigoted in anyway? Once again, i dont know. Youre asking me to get inside the mans head and read his mind. I, nor anyone else, can do that. You can say hes a prick if you like, for his comments. But to call him anything like what youre suggesting, in the absence of actual evidence, then you would need to know his motivation for saying those things and none of us can possibly know that unless he says so There's not really any need to read his mind when he spews it out so willingly. How could his casual linking of a murderer, a powerful politician and an actress who married into royalty, with nothing in common but their ovaries, not be construed as misogynistic? Leaving out the undertones of him lying in bed visualising Meghan be publicly humiliated naked. See my comment above re motivation and us not possibly knowing this. He has also stated many times in the past how he hates various cars, manufacturers, vehicle designers etc. Are you going to attach an ism to them as well? " If the actual words he speaks himself aren't enough to demonstrate his motivations, then I don't know what will be. Another nutter acting on them? | |||
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"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle? Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see " I am just going to say 2 things here… 1)I heard a brilliant Irish expression yesterday that describes this perfectly……. “What do you expect from a pig but a grunt!” 2) the silence from the royal family is now deafening…. Replace the word Meghan with Kate and the shit would have hit the fan at Buckingham palace Because we know how the British press have treated Meghan in the past I can see where there have been overtones of it in the past…. If you now want to give them the benefit of the doubt then fine but it doesn’t have to be overtly out there since Clarkson has form for pushing boundaries on race before with clever wording to give him plausible deniability! | |||
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"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle? Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see I am just going to say 2 things here… 1)I heard a brilliant Irish expression yesterday that describes this perfectly……. “What do you expect from a pig but a grunt!” 2) the silence from the royal family is now deafening…. Replace the word Meghan with Kate and the shit would have hit the fan at Buckingham palace Because we know how the British press have treated Meghan in the past I can see where there have been overtones of it in the past…. If you now want to give them the benefit of the doubt then fine but it doesn’t have to be overtly out there since Clarkson has form for pushing boundaries on race before with clever wording to give him plausible deniability!" Yes thr silence from Buckingham Palace is deafening. If this had been any other female member from the Royal family the reaction would have been huge. I'm that the police would be involved, I think we'd have had statements from the PM and the Royal Family would have definitely said something. Meanwhile ITV have shrugged their shoulders about him presenting Millionaire and said its not relevant what he said in the press. The indifference from the establishment is staggering | |||
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"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle? Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see I am just going to say 2 things here… 1)I heard a brilliant Irish expression yesterday that describes this perfectly……. “What do you expect from a pig but a grunt!” 2) the silence from the royal family is now deafening…. Replace the word Meghan with Kate and the shit would have hit the fan at Buckingham palace Because we know how the British press have treated Meghan in the past I can see where there have been overtones of it in the past…. If you now want to give them the benefit of the doubt then fine but it doesn’t have to be overtly out there since Clarkson has form for pushing boundaries on race before with clever wording to give him plausible deniability! Yes thr silence from Buckingham Palace is deafening. If this had been any other female member from the Royal family the reaction would have been huge. I'm that the police would be involved, I think we'd have had statements from the PM and the Royal Family would have definitely said something. Meanwhile ITV have shrugged their shoulders about him presenting Millionaire and said its not relevant what he said in the press. The indifference from the establishment is staggering " With the establishment and the people all in charge of the media, men of Clarkson's age is it any surprise. Even Laura Kuenssberg didn't have the guts to bring it up in her show, even though the Suns editor was there. Was it lack of guts..? Or instructions from above..? | |||
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"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle? Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see " Throw enough shit, some of it will stick. Oh, wait…….  | |||
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"Just because something isn't overt, doesn't mean the intent isn't there. Sure, we don't know he had racist motives, but we don't know he didn't either Thats an odd, and frankly worrying way of looking at something. So someone now has to actively say they're NOT something, for fear they will be accused of it? Where does that extend to? It is when there's been previous of both his behaviour in general and the behaviour of others towards Meghan. Should be easy enough to say... "I wasn't trying to be racist, just an edgy knobend and it backfired." simple. I agree, we all know that Clarkson is a bully, at times violent has made racist comments in the past. Wr also know that Meghan Markle has been subject to widespread abuse including racist comments. We also know a lot of older white men have racist views abd Clarkson claims to speak for them. So yeah, I think he needs to prove otherwise in this instance" So a lot of older white men are racist. . You can't beat a sweeping statement.... | |||
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"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle? Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see Don't see how it's unpleasant or vile. It's a jokey reference to GOT. Is it? What about all the people that haven't seen that? Without any context (and even with the context) it's awful. I can't see any element of racism in there though Is there a person on the planet that hasn't see GOT? Or that doesn't have a sense of humour? Oh yes, they're on here" lol | |||
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"So a lot of older white men are racist. . You can't beat a sweeping statement...." … if you know what a sweeping statement is….. “ALL” older white men are racist would be a sweeping statement….. “A lot” of older white men are racist is actually not a sweeping statement.. it may be a generalisation… | |||
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"Just because something isn't overt, doesn't mean the intent isn't there. Sure, we don't know he had racist motives, but we don't know he didn't either Thats an odd, and frankly worrying way of looking at something. So someone now has to actively say they're NOT something, for fear they will be accused of it? Where does that extend to? It is when there's been previous of both his behaviour in general and the behaviour of others towards Meghan. Should be easy enough to say... "I wasn't trying to be racist, just an edgy knobend and it backfired." simple." back fired I've never seen got or read is article still found it funny listening to all the end of worlders | |||
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"So a lot of older white men are racist. . You can't beat a sweeping statement.... … if you know what a sweeping statement is….. “ALL” older white men are racist would be a sweeping statement….. “A lot” of older white men are racist is actually not a sweeping statement.. it may be a generalisation… " Regardless .. There was no racism in Clarksons post. Was it nasty ..Yes .. About a female.. Yes . Does that make it necessarily misogynistic.. No . Is there a red under every bed .. No. Should it of been printed .. Definitely no ... Was the GOT walk of shame an iconic scene .. definite yes. Nothing else to see .. move among ... | |||
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"So a lot of older white men are racist. . You can't beat a sweeping statement.... … if you know what a sweeping statement is….. “ALL” older white men are racist would be a sweeping statement….. “A lot” of older white men are racist is actually not a sweeping statement.. it may be a generalisation… Regardless .. There was no racism in Clarksons post. Was it nasty ..Yes .. About a female.. Yes . Does that make it necessarily misogynistic.. No . Is there a red under every bed .. No. Should it of been printed .. Definitely no ... Was the GOT walk of shame an iconic scene .. definite yes. Nothing else to see .. move among ... " Epic grandiosity, deciding for others when to stop and look. It must be boomers thing. | |||
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"Don't need to find anything that's not as awful about it, nor give it further attention l. He should not be writing such dangerous, hateful stuff" Dangerous and hateful? | |||
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"Don't need to find anything that's not as awful about it, nor give it further attention l. He should not be writing such dangerous, hateful stuff Dangerous and hateful?" Yeah putting it our there that it's acceptable to parade a woman naked and throw shit at her!! Sounds hateful to say the least. | |||
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"Don't need to find anything that's not as awful about it, nor give it further attention l. He should not be writing such dangerous, hateful stuff Dangerous and hateful? Yeah putting it our there that it's acceptable to parade a woman naked and throw shit at her!! Sounds hateful to say the least." Should GoT be banned | |||
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"Don't need to find anything that's not as awful about it, nor give it further attention l. He should not be writing such dangerous, hateful stuff Dangerous and hateful? Yeah putting it our there that it's acceptable to parade a woman naked and throw shit at her!! Sounds hateful to say the least. Should GoT be banned " I've never seen it but no of course not. I didn't say Clarkson should be banned either. | |||
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"Don't need to find anything that's not as awful about it, nor give it further attention l. He should not be writing such dangerous, hateful stuff Dangerous and hateful? Yeah putting it our there that it's acceptable to parade a woman naked and throw shit at her!! Sounds hateful to say the least. Should GoT be banned I've never seen it but no of course not. I didn't say Clarkson should be banned either." So if you have never seen the GOT walk of shame then you won't understand the parody . If you can't see that then Tom can't help you . | |||
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"Don't need to find anything that's not as awful about it, nor give it further attention l. He should not be writing such dangerous, hateful stuff Dangerous and hateful? Yeah putting it our there that it's acceptable to parade a woman naked and throw shit at her!! Sounds hateful to say the least. Should GoT be banned I've never seen it but no of course not. I didn't say Clarkson should be banned either. So if you have never seen the GOT walk of shame then you won't understand the parody . If you can't see that then Tom can't help you . " I don't need Tom's help thankfully | |||
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"Well that was a successful thread. So are we all agreed then: Article unpleasant? Yes Article racist? No" Agreed and if fabbers can't see that then Tom can't help them.. | |||
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"Well that was a successful thread. So are we all agreed then: Article unpleasant? Yes Article racist? No Agreed and if fabbers can't see that then Tom can't help them.." And for that, they would have my ultimate pity tom | |||
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"I would just say plain vile!! " So not racist then? Agreed | |||
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"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle? Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see Don't see how it's unpleasant or vile. It's a jokey reference to GOT. Is it? What about all the people that haven't seen that? Without any context (and even with the context) it's awful. I can't see any element of racism in there though Is there a person on the planet that hasn't see GOT? Or that doesn't have a sense of humour? Oh yes, they're on here Plenty of people haven't seen it
Well good for them... maybe Santa can bring them a sense of humour for Christmas...or is that racist, offensive too"I have a good sense of humour! But what he said was in ant way funny? | |||
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"I would just say plain vile!! So not racist then? Agreed" I think he probably is racist. He has all the hallmarks -a sexist old wanker ,, let’s just assume he is racist until he makes a statement saying he isn’t and apologises for existing. | |||
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"I would just say plain vile!! So not racist then? Agreed I think he probably is racist. He has all the hallmarks -a sexist old wanker ,, let’s just assume he is racist until he makes a statement saying he isn’t and apologises for existing. "Nah i dont think we can do that. No more than we can assume youre a paedophile | |||
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"I would just say plain vile!! So not racist then? Agreed I think he probably is racist. He has all the hallmarks -a sexist old wanker ,, let’s just assume he is racist until he makes a statement saying he isn’t and apologises for existing.
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No more than we can assume youre a paedophile "He was funny when benny hill and Jim Davidson were, he really needs putting out to rest now. | |||
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"I would just say plain vile!! So not racist then? Agreed" Yes for once agreed! X | |||
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"Best description of Clarkson was on Dead Ringers last night. The Patron Saint of all Assholes.." He’s certainly my patron saint, think he’s brilliant, though he shouldn’t get too personal. Everyone has an opinion, some we agree with some we don’t, that’s what makes us human. | |||
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"Best description of Clarkson was on Dead Ringers last night. The Patron Saint of all Assholes.. He’s certainly my patron saint, think he’s brilliant, though he shouldn’t get too personal. Everyone has an opinion, some we agree with some we don’t, that’s what makes us human." Agree with your last point, but it seems one person has become public enemy no 1 for having one. Is it because she's a woman and should know her place. | |||
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"Best description of Clarkson was on Dead Ringers last night. The Patron Saint of all Assholes.. He’s certainly my patron saint, think he’s brilliant, though he shouldn’t get too personal. Everyone has an opinion, some we agree with some we don’t, that’s what makes us human. Agree with your last point, but it seems one person has become public enemy no 1 for having one. Is it because she's a woman and should know her place." Are you referring to meghan? If so, then no i dont think thats anything to do with her gender. Moreso that shes a liar and also appears to be a horrible narcissist | |||
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"Best description of Clarkson was on Dead Ringers last night. The Patron Saint of all Assholes.. He’s certainly my patron saint, think he’s brilliant, though he shouldn’t get too personal. Everyone has an opinion, some we agree with some we don’t, that’s what makes us human. Agree with your last point, but it seems one person has become public enemy no 1 for having one. Is it because she's a woman and should know her place. Are you referring to meghan? If so, then no i dont think thats anything to do with her gender. Moreso that shes a liar and also appears to be a horrible narcissist " And you know how, I take its inside knowledge, like a friend of friend knows her. From the the abuse on social media by like Jezza says guys his age, she must be the worst person since Hitler. But anyway you know so much about her, ill take your word for it. | |||
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"Best description of Clarkson was on Dead Ringers last night. The Patron Saint of all Assholes.. He’s certainly my patron saint, think he’s brilliant, though he shouldn’t get too personal. Everyone has an opinion, some we agree with some we don’t, that’s what makes us human. Agree with your last point, but it seems one person has become public enemy no 1 for having one. Is it because she's a woman and should know her place. Are you referring to meghan? If so, then no i dont think thats anything to do with her gender. Moreso that shes a liar and also appears to be a horrible narcissist And you know how, I take its inside knowledge, like a friend of friend knows her. From the the abuse on social media by like Jezza says guys his age, she must be the worst person since Hitler. But anyway you know so much about her, ill take your word for it." I said shes a liar, which is a fact, from both documentary and oprah interview. I then said she appears to be a narcissist, which is an opinion. Nowhere have i said anything that requires me to have inside knowledge of her | |||
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"Best description of Clarkson was on Dead Ringers last night. The Patron Saint of all Assholes.. He’s certainly my patron saint, think he’s brilliant, though he shouldn’t get too personal. Everyone has an opinion, some we agree with some we don’t, that’s what makes us human. Agree with your last point, but it seems one person has become public enemy no 1 for having one. Is it because she's a woman and should know her place. Are you referring to meghan? If so, then no i dont think thats anything to do with her gender. Moreso that shes a liar and also appears to be a horrible narcissist And you know how, I take its inside knowledge, like a friend of friend knows her. From the the abuse on social media by like Jezza says guys his age, she must be the worst person since Hitler. But anyway you know so much about her, ill take your word for it. I said shes a liar, which is a fact, from both documentary and oprah interview. I then said she appears to be a narcissist, which is an opinion. Nowhere have i said anything that requires me to have inside knowledge of her" You are bananas Sir.. | |||
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" Check out when they built a bridge in the Burma special and the comment he made when they finished it I remember the episode, but dont remember any commemt being made at the end. What was it??" He made a racial slur and did his usual "it was an innocent mistake / joke" routine afterwards. Just like he did in his article. His response to the uproar - even from his own daughter - was completely disingenuous. | |||
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" Check out when they built a bridge in the Burma special and the comment he made when they finished it I remember the episode, but dont remember any commemt being made at the end. What was it?? He made a racial slur and did his usual "it was an innocent mistake / joke" routine afterwards. Just like he did in his article. His response to the uproar - even from his own daughter - was completely disingenuous. " You are critical of his daughter ? | |||
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"He made a racial slur and did his usual "it was an innocent mistake / joke" routine afterwards. Just like he did in his article. His response to the uproar - even from his own daughter - was completely disingenuous. You are critical of his daughter ?" Where on earth did you get that from tommy? | |||
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"He made a racial slur and did his usual "it was an innocent mistake / joke" routine afterwards. Just like he did in his article. His response to the uproar - even from his own daughter - was completely disingenuous. You are critical of his daughter ? Where on earth did you get that from tommy? " Oops Tom misread soz. | |||
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"He made a racial slur and did his usual "it was an innocent mistake / joke" routine afterwards. Just like he did in his article. His response to the uproar - even from his own daughter - was completely disingenuous. You are critical of his daughter ? Where on earth did you get that from tommy? Oops Tom misread soz. " We Stan a King who admits his mistakes | |||
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