FabSwingers.com forum: New zeeland will be banning smoking.

By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

I heard that apparently new zeeland will be banning smoking.

The ban is aimed at preventing future generations from taking up smoking and is part of a wider government push to make the country “smoke free” by 2025.

The new law will also slash the number of retailers licensed to sell tobacco, from 6,000 to 600 by the end of 2023.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

I think smoking should be limited to certain locations but banning something only drives it underground. However if it means the upcoming generations are not able to start smoking in the first place it's a good thing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

By that logic, surely alcohol should be banned too? I think it's too far.

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By *nkednkinkyMan
over a year ago

Fraserburgh

If people want to smoke what the fuck has it got to do with the government.

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By *inister_SpinsterWoman
over a year ago

Manchester(ish).

Its something that's been a healthy priority here for ages. Smoking is really not very common at all here in NZ.

One observation is that ram raids, which are a huge problem, will be more likely on tobacco selling stores.

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By *glyBettyTV/TS
over a year ago

About 3 feet away from the fence

"By that logic, surely alcohol should be banned too? I think it's too far. "

This. If you're going to ban smoking then why not alcohol?

Alcohol probably does more damage to wider society when you think about it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If people want to smoke what the fuck has it got to do with the government. "

In 1948, 65% of men in the uk smoked cigarettes.

In 2019, 15% of men in the uk smoked cigarettes.

Cancer from smoking is the number 1 preventable cause of death in the uk.

So Less smokers = Less deaths

You're free to smoke as much as you want but the responsible stance for our government is to keep reducing the number of smokers.

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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

"I think smoking should be limited to certain locations but banning something only drives it underground. However if it means the upcoming generations are not able to start smoking in the first place it's a good thing"
Yes. I think so too, that it should be banned in certain locations

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So is tobacco illegal or is smoking illegal? I don’t get how they can ban smoking and police that.

It’s like littering is illegal, yet there’s rubbish under ever hedge row I walk passed.

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By *TG3Man
over a year ago

Dorchester

"I heard that apparently new zeeland will be banning smoking.

The ban is aimed at preventing future generations from taking up smoking and is part of a wider government push to make the country “smoke free” by 2025.

The new law will also slash the number of retailers licensed to sell tobacco, from 6,000 to 600 by the end of 2023.

What do you think of that? Whilst yes it is good, but I think that the government are getting involved to much, it is still up to each to stop smoking and realising it for themselves, once a government stop one thing, you can wonder what they will do next. I wonder if the people will be protesting there."
I agree it will force it to go underground but not as much as for dr*ugs but the great thing for me kids won't be able to use it as their first soiree into adulthood

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By *TG3Man
over a year ago

Dorchester

And just think how much medical time is wasted on smoking related illness

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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

"By that logic, surely alcohol should be banned too? I think it's too far. "
It could do with that smoking is more poisonous than alcohol.

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By *glyBettyTV/TS
over a year ago

About 3 feet away from the fence

googling "alcohol related deaths uk" brings up several interesting findings, including this...

"alcohol misuse is the biggest killer of working age (16-65) adults in the UK, overtaking 10 of the most dangerous forms of cancer"

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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

"Its something that's been a healthy priority here for ages. Smoking is really not very common at all here in NZ.

One observation is that ram raids, which are a huge problem, will be more likely on tobacco selling stores. "
Yes, that is strange of why they will introduce it, if it isnt so common there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If we banned sex, it would eliminate STIs

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By *inister_SpinsterWoman
over a year ago

Manchester(ish).

"Its something that's been a healthy priority here for ages. Smoking is really not very common at all here in NZ.

One observation is that ram raids, which are a huge problem, will be more likely on tobacco selling stores. Yes, that is strange of why they will introduce it, if it isnt so common there."

It's a conscious political decision to eradicate smoking.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If we banned sex, it would eliminate STIs"

But how many STIs are killing people?

HIV Antiretrovirals are so good now that they lower viral loads and reduce transmission.

Maybe HPV with their anal, penile and vaginal cancers? They have a vaccine to prevent some strains.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Once you start banning one thing, where do you stop. Lots of things we consume have a detrimental effect on our bodies.

Oy yea, oy yea saturated fat is no longer allowed. Wonder what Eric Blair would make of all this?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If we banned sex, it would eliminate STIs

But how many STIs are killing people?

HIV Antiretrovirals are so good now that they lower viral loads and reduce transmission.

Maybe HPV with their anal, penile and vaginal cancers? They have a vaccine to prevent some strains."

It's still an additional healthcare cost that could be eliminated by the nanny state intervening where people are taking personal risks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Big Brother

Nanny state

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Once you start banning one thing, where do you stop. Lots of things we consume have a detrimental effect on our bodies.

Oy yea, oy yea saturated fat is no longer allowed. Wonder what Eric Blair would make of all this?"

Food rationing to control obesity perhaps?

Mandatory one hour exercise sessions each morning in the town square?

It's a slippery slope ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Once you start banning one thing, where do you stop. Lots of things we consume have a detrimental effect on our bodies.

Oy yea, oy yea saturated fat is no longer allowed. Wonder what Eric Blair would make of all this?

Food rationing to control obesity perhaps?

Mandatory one hour exercise sessions each morning in the town square?

It's a slippery slope ..."

Perhaps we could all have special winter shoes to stop us slipping and clogging up A&E?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Once you start banning one thing, where do you stop. Lots of things we consume have a detrimental effect on our bodies.

Oy yea, oy yea saturated fat is no longer allowed. Wonder what Eric Blair would make of all this?

Food rationing to control obesity perhaps?

Mandatory one hour exercise sessions each morning in the town square?

It's a slippery slope ...

Perhaps we could all have special winter shoes to stop us slipping and clogging up A&E?"

Now you're talking, and a public whipping for non-compliance

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Once you start banning one thing, where do you stop. Lots of things we consume have a detrimental effect on our bodies.

Oy yea, oy yea saturated fat is no longer allowed. Wonder what Eric Blair would make of all this?

Food rationing to control obesity perhaps?

Mandatory one hour exercise sessions each morning in the town square?

It's a slippery slope ...

Perhaps we could all have special winter shoes to stop us slipping and clogging up A&E?

Now you're talking, and a public whipping for non-compliance"

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

"Its something that's been a healthy priority here for ages. Smoking is really not very common at all here in NZ.

One observation is that ram raids, which are a huge problem, will be more likely on tobacco selling stores. Yes, that is strange of why they will introduce it, if it isnt so common there."

Or maybe because it really isn't so common that's why they can eradicate it further?

What to Britain seems completely radical, is likely in New Zealand to be more of a natural progression

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

It's amazing that people see steps to make people healthier as some sort of nanny state.

Smoking is disgusting, and we've known for decades the health risks it presents. This thread reminds me of the anger when smoking was banned in public places!

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By *asmartsCouple
over a year ago

sheffield

"If people want to smoke what the fuck has it got to do with the government. "

Who picks up the bill for all the health issues?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its reported that smoking in NZ is the lowest in the world at 8%. While I hate nanny state politics this is actually a planned, thought out idea. Two pronged approach, no one who was born after 2008 will be allowed to buy cigarettes while reducing outlets. Yes it will go underground but how many will pay high prices for something they have not been exposed to in the first place? Reduced outlets means much better management and control. The only real downside that they have not mentioned is what about tourists? Allowed to bring in a supply? Buy there?Banned?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If people want to smoke what the fuck has it got to do with the government.

Who picks up the bill for all the health issues?"

Well documented that taxation from tobacco sales more than covers the cost of healthcare plus it saves on pensions!!

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By *illynillyCouple
over a year ago

Wiltshire

"By that logic, surely alcohol should be banned too? I think it's too far. It could do with that smoking is more poisonous than alcohol."

Maccy d is right up there too

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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

"Its something that's been a healthy priority here for ages. Smoking is really not very common at all here in NZ.

One observation is that ram raids, which are a huge problem, will be more likely on tobacco selling stores. Yes, that is strange of why they will introduce it, if it isnt so common there.

It's a conscious political decision to eradicate smoking. "
Yes. I thought so as well, it could be down to that.

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton

"Its reported that smoking in NZ is the lowest in the world at 8%. While I hate nanny state politics this is actually a planned, thought out idea. Two pronged approach, no one who was born after 2008 will be allowed to buy cigarettes while reducing outlets. Yes it will go underground but how many will pay high prices for something they have not been exposed to in the first place? Reduced outlets means much better management and control. The only real downside that they have not mentioned is what about tourists? Allowed to bring in a supply? Buy there?Banned?"

The thing that puzzles me is that vaping will apparently not be effected.

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By *herryblossom_BJWoman
over a year ago

Oxfordshire/Hampshire

Awesome idea. Wish other countries follow suit. I was in Romania and far too many people were smoking in public places which was horrible. I don't like the smell or litter it causes in public places

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The thing that puzzles me is that vaping will apparently not be effected. "

Currently thought to be safer. We all know how that goes, look at diesel cars

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By *ustyMayfair85Woman
over a year ago

Mayfair/Travelling

Interesting to see the difference in responses from different age groups on here.

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

Doesn’t surprise me at all although they will likely then legalise smoking drugs.

Wouldn’t take much of a lead on policy from a country the size of small city that no one can or wants to sneak into. It’s a quaint little place with lots of uk pot smoking liberals in the South Island that know best about everything globally

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By *heshire DilfMan
over a year ago

Cheshire

To be clear, they are just banning smoking of tobacco and not cock.

That's would be a terrible state of affairs otherwise.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You may be surprised to learn that the UK government were considring doing something along similar lines earlier this year, initially by rasing the minimum age to 21 with a possible rolling increase year on year and a goal of making the country smoke free by 2030.

I doesn't look like any changes were made, however, as Boris Johnson was not thought to believe that the age should be increased because 18 is recognised by the government as the threshold of legal responsibility

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

Agreed. People shouldn’t be subject to and impacted by other peoples smoke , just like noise and violence.

All harmful hobbies , food, drugs, need controls to protect vulnerable people and children while allowing freedom.

It’s not rocket science , do it properly with smoking areas and age verification like many countries….or switch them all over to vaping like the UK

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By *ryandseeMan
over a year ago

Yorkshire

Taking away constantly liberties from minority groups is not something to be taken lightly. As long as it does not impact on my health or that of others, why should I take that choice away from people. Provide good information and support to make that decision themselves yes, curtailing their right to choose, no.

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By *jorkishMan
over a year ago

Seaforth

Ban smoking then alcohol should be banned, imagine the furore thar would cause lol we are supposed to have the freedom of choice even a bad one.

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By *ean counterMan
over a year ago

Market Harborough / Kettering

Stupid idea ! It's personal freedom we are talking here. If someone is stupid enough to smoke which costs a fortune, makes them stink, turns their teeth yellow, raises their blood pressure and will eventually kill them then that's their personal choice. Plus it keeps my tax bill down

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

First they came for the smokers but I did not smoke so I said nothing.....

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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

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By *eterandJaneadventuresCouple
over a year ago

Sutton

With the cost of cigarettes , who can afford to smoke ?

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By *eterandJaneadventuresCouple
over a year ago

Sutton

With the cost of cigarettes , who can afford to smoke ?

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

As a smoker I don't think it should be banned. But I agree with it being banned in certain locations.

I'm going to try and vape in the new year.

The amount of young teenagers I see valine who have never smoked is unbelievable. This must be the new rebellion into adulthood

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

It is up to government to take responsible steps, on behalf of the people they represent, to determine the legality of substances, as well as availability.

I generally think that adults should be free to do with their own body, as they wish, subject to not affecting others.

This seems a very short timetable, based on my extremely limited knowledge.

Fewer people will die of smoking related conditions but more will, instead, die of other things.

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By *TG3Man
over a year ago

Dorchester

"Awesome idea. Wish other countries follow suit. I was in Romania and far too many people were smoking in public places which was horrible. I don't like the smell or litter it causes in public places"
exactly but it's the health issues, it would reduce the amount of smoking related illness which is a drain on our health service resources I think it's the way forward personally, it's OK having freedom of choice but a bad decision will be regretted later in life once you're hooked

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

I can see a case for limiting smoking to private residences. I'd also like to see vaping restricted I'm tired of walking in a cloud of perfumed smoke

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By *ean counterMan
over a year ago

Market Harborough / Kettering

My pet hate is the amount of people who stand outside buildings where they are not allowed to smoke such as railways stations, pubs, shopping centres etc smoking away so us non-smokers have to walk through their stink to get in to / out of that building ! Why don't they just walk 20 yards away?? It's disgusting !!

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

"I can see a case for limiting smoking to private residences. I'd also like to see vaping restricted I'm tired of walking in a cloud of perfumed smoke "

The perfumed smoke is dire.

I’d like to see a ban on people going about their daily lives smoking w e e d. Everywhere stinks of it and people walk around smoking it without a care in the world.

Anyone would think that that is legal……

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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

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By *rontier PsychiatristMan
over a year ago

Coventry

I must admit it seems a stretch of the imagination to me. Another attempt to be to the Australians what Canada is to America.

I would say these 600 licenced outlets will be cashing in. One wonders what the criteria is or who you have to butter up and grease the wheels to in order to get one of these coveted licenses?

I'm sure the Police (who no doubt will have smokers in their ranks) will welcome the extra task of enforcement and stopping the black market dealers.

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By *rontier PsychiatristMan
over a year ago

Coventry

"I can see a case for limiting smoking to private residences. I'd also like to see vaping restricted I'm tired of walking in a cloud of perfumed smoke

The perfumed smoke is dire.

I’d like to see a ban on people going about their daily lives smoking w e e d. Everywhere stinks of it and people walk around smoking it without a care in the world.

Anyone would think that that is legal……"

The enforcement around this is a difficult and delicate matter for the police in the current climate. It disproportionately seems to effect demographics that the Police are anxious not to increase stop and search statics for. So often it is something that is consciously left to slide (providing there is no other markers or indicators that can't be ignored). To the extent on the transportation network often Police dogs trained to sniff drugs are by choice not used for routine patrol. Just dog trained solely to detect explosives.

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By *den-Valley-coupleCouple
over a year ago

Cumbria

"If people want to smoke what the fuck has it got to do with the government. "

Not a smoker but this guy hits the nail on the head it's a slippery slope starting with smoking where will it lead and more importantly where will it end...

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton

"The perfumed smoke is dire.

I’d like to see a ban on people going about their daily lives smoking w e e d. Everywhere stinks of it and people walk around smoking it without a care in the world."

Our town practically stinks of . It's disgusting.

I have zero problem with anyone smoking it and I have argued for years that it should be legalised, I just don't want to be surrounded by the overpowering smell of it.

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

"I can see a case for limiting smoking to private residences. I'd also like to see vaping restricted I'm tired of walking in a cloud of perfumed smoke

The perfumed smoke is dire.

I’d like to see a ban on people going about their daily lives smoking w e e d. Everywhere stinks of it and people walk around smoking it without a care in the world.

Anyone would think that that is legal……

So it’s a double tier enforcement policy then.

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

"The perfumed smoke is dire.

I’d like to see a ban on people going about their daily lives smoking w e e d. Everywhere stinks of it and people walk around smoking it without a care in the world.

Our town practically stinks of . It's disgusting.

I have zero problem with anyone smoking it and I have argued for years that it should be legalised, I just don't want to be surrounded by the overpowering smell of it. "

Why should everyone else have to breathe in illegal drugs being smoked just because some dude at the bus stop want a spliff.

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By *rontier PsychiatristMan
over a year ago

Coventry

"I can see a case for limiting smoking to private residences. I'd also like to see vaping restricted I'm tired of walking in a cloud of perfumed smoke

The perfumed smoke is dire.

I’d like to see a ban on people going about their daily lives smoking w e e d. Everywhere stinks of it and people walk around smoking it without a care in the world.

Anyone would think that that is legal……

So it’s a double tier enforcement policy then."

Basically from what I understand the veiw is that to target people for smelling of (and thus no doubt lead to the finding of a low key substance) would disproportionately effect certain minority demographic. And this would be more harmful to society and especially to those communities that the very minor offence that it is. Plus such disproportionate statistics puts Chief Constables and politicians under a lot of pressure. And the Polices resources are stretch as it is.

Now I don't know how I feel about this policy. On a simplistic hand it's seems unfair. However pragmatically I do see some logic, especially when you add wider factors. Either way the smell and haze of will not be leaving our public space by means of enforcement anytime soon.

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By *rontier PsychiatristMan
over a year ago

Coventry

Oh and I've just discover fab won't let you write w e e d

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By *partharmonyCouple
over a year ago

Ruislip

I don't want to write it off prematurely. I'm interested to see what happens.

It won't do any favours for New Zealand's duty-free business, if there is such a thing.

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By *andido63Man
over a year ago

Stafford

Smoking should be restricted to shelters for smokers only.

Smoking in all other public places should be banned.

I saw my grandmother die from smoking related cancer and it was horrendous.

Sometimes people need to be protected from themselves but more than that where healthcare is so expensive and free at point of use, Government should be doing all it can to prevent it.

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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Police state....

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By *lackshadow7Man
over a year ago

Toronto

The law ban on the sale of tobacco products to anyone born on or after Jan. 1, 2009.

Those born before 2009, who are 18 or older, will still be permitted to purchase tobacco.

The ban will go into effect on Jan. 1, 2027, when those born in 2009 will start turning 18.

At the very least, get the additional context right before reacting to headlines.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I heard that apparently new zeeland will be banning smoking.

The ban is aimed at preventing future generations from taking up smoking and is part of a wider government push to make the country “smoke free” by 2025.

The new law will also slash the number of retailers licensed to sell tobacco, from 6,000 to 600 by the end of 2023.

Maybe they don't need the tax profits it generates.

I'm quite happy smoking at home

Missy x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tobacco is the only product you can buy legally that if used exactly as intended will kill 2/3 of its users hence the need for control by government

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